Speaker 1: Golf. Is that they anything in golf that doesn't change,
Speaker 1: anything that changes the best in playing? Is this man
Speaker 1: a one time winner on the PGA Tour. The point
Speaker 1: Alan is he didn't go Hollywood. You need a fourth.
Speaker 1: So I think we can all agree that Echo golf
Speaker 1: shoes changed the game. When Fred Couples rolled up wearing
Speaker 1: them without socks, it spoke to their comfort and just
Speaker 1: sort of that that effortless cool. But you have an
Speaker 1: Arnold Palmer story I want to hear right. Let let's see.
Speaker 1: Have I ever told you about my last visit with Arnold?
Speaker 1: I saw Arnold. I would like to think no reporters
Speaker 1: or Arnold more than I did when he was in
Speaker 1: his eighties. My last visit with him was in Latrobe,
Speaker 1: and I drove there wearing these pathetic birken stocks when
Speaker 1: I got always I'll just wear my shoes when I
Speaker 1: get there. But when I got there, all I had
Speaker 1: was my Echo golf shoes. And Arnold's really formal, and
Speaker 1: I'm going into his office with my cleaned up Echo
Speaker 1: golf shoes and almost like checking me out, And he's nodding,
Speaker 1: and I said, what you're looking at my socks? And
Speaker 1: these armods like, no, I'm looking at your shoes, And
Speaker 1: then Arnold talked about all the different shoes he wore
Speaker 1: and no questioner, Arnold Doug the Echo shoe. I love
Speaker 1: the Echo Show. I know you do too. Uh. It's
Speaker 1: a great shoe sales resistant. If it's good enough for
Speaker 1: Arnold Palmerton, Fred Couples, it's good enough for the rest
Speaker 1: of you. So go to Echo dot com and um
Speaker 1: you can find one that fits that you like that
Speaker 1: people will stare at, like Arnie. So back to Need
Speaker 1: a Fourth al Right, Hello, this is Alan Chipknuck back
Speaker 1: for another Need of Fourth podcast. As you know by now,
Speaker 1: this is the podcast in which myself, Jeff Ogilvie, and
Speaker 1: Michael Bamberger take turns surprising each other with with eclectic guests. Michael,
Speaker 1: you brought our our unnamed unknown guests aboard for this episode.
Speaker 1: Tell tell us a little bit about him. But he's
Speaker 1: the star of stage and screen. He's Larry David's cousin
Speaker 1: in real life and on the show. That's a lot
Speaker 1: of something a lot of people don't know. Oh wow, well,
Speaker 1: I mean there's so many people who go in and
Speaker 1: out of out of curb. Give us a little more,
Speaker 1: a little more health here. Uh he plays a lake side. Jeff,
Speaker 1: have you ever played lake side? I haven't played legside.
Speaker 1: I hear it's great though. It is so funny. Yeah. Wait,
Speaker 1: I was just there not too long ago. Um, did
Speaker 1: you happen? Did you happen to see a star of
Speaker 1: stage and screened? Um? Who's Larry David cousin? And both
Speaker 1: in real life and on a TV show? I didn't,
Speaker 1: but I think I saw his locker. Would it be
Speaker 1: would it be rich Kind? Yep? One and only rich
Speaker 1: come on coming all down? How about his cousin of
Speaker 1: real life? Well, for the purpose of this show, you
Speaker 1: are rich. We just stuff up, just go with it. Yeah, now,
Speaker 1: how rich? How exactly are you guys related? Are your
Speaker 1: brothers fathers or how does that work? It works if
Speaker 1: lineage takes you through your family. There was no lineage.
Speaker 1: My parents didn't even stop at the same Delhi that
Speaker 1: he did. That his parents and I have not. I've
Speaker 1: never met him. I don't know him. We played cousins
Speaker 1: on the show. Okay, for those who don't know rich
Speaker 1: Kind is a long time Everyone knows rich Kind because
Speaker 1: he's got a face that literally millions of people know
Speaker 1: Rich played. Okay, Rich though you you take over? Go ahead. Well,
Speaker 1: the thing is, are people seeing my face here or
Speaker 1: are they only hearing seeing you? Absolutely? Yeah? Oh do
Speaker 1: you know who I am? If you see my face,
Speaker 1: it's oh him, that's that's Oh does he owe me
Speaker 1: money high school? Oh? I like him with with with respect,
Speaker 1: which I think your voice may give you away as well.
Speaker 1: It does Sometimes people people will will say that they
Speaker 1: hear me on the street and it's not my face
Speaker 1: that stops them, it's my voice and they turn around. Rich,
Speaker 1: I understand you played golf today. Where where'd you play?
Speaker 1: Who'd you played with? And how'd you go? I will
Speaker 1: tell you I played in a place called I Can
Speaker 1: Go Across. Yes, you know what, Michael, I've heard of it,
Speaker 1: but I don't know it. I didn't know how to
Speaker 1: pronounce it until just now. Okay, ibs the man writes
Speaker 1: for a living and cannot put I B I S together. Okay, Uh,
Speaker 1: this is okay. My dad was a retailer. He had
Speaker 1: a retail store in Brixton. So Christmas when all the
Speaker 1: Jews go down to Florida, hold it, hold it, hold it,
Speaker 1: hold it. Rich, You're you're Jewish, according to Larry David.
Speaker 1: According to his parents, I'm Jewish. So when now you
Speaker 1: want to come down to Florida. We never did because
Speaker 1: my dad had to be in at the store because
Speaker 1: it's Christmas time. Uh yeah, told me story that was there,
Speaker 1: you know, the big time. So I never came to
Speaker 1: the state of Florida until I was twenty three years old.
Speaker 1: So I don't know Florida at all, and I know
Speaker 1: the people retire here and everything. I have a friend
Speaker 1: who belongs to a course in uh in Naples and
Speaker 1: now my friends. Now I've come into sight through ibis.
Speaker 1: How much do I want to retire? It's unbelievable the
Speaker 1: life of retirement. You play golf every day. However, I
Speaker 1: like acting better. Do I like acting better? There was
Speaker 1: a time when I liked acting better than golf. I
Speaker 1: don't know whether or not. I love acting. And I
Speaker 1: have a great job on my show on CBS on
Speaker 1: Sunday nights called East New York, and I play a
Speaker 1: cop and I'm not funny on the show, but it's
Speaker 1: a great, great show. And I can't believe at my age,
Speaker 1: with my sort of comic resume, I get to play
Speaker 1: a cop. It's fantastic. So that's what I get to do.
Speaker 1: And your producers are pretty serious golfer as well. Mike
Speaker 1: our friend Mike Robin. Yes, Mike Robin, Yes, I thought, yes,
Speaker 1: Mike Robin. And not only a serious colfer, a pretty
Speaker 1: great golfer. I think he played for University of Texas
Speaker 1: and correct, no, I played for the University of Miami
Speaker 1: in the Nathaniel Crosby era. Okay, yeah, he's a great,
Speaker 1: great golfer. Oh so beautiful and belongs to the best clubs.
Speaker 1: He's everything and the nice guy. But you know why
Speaker 1: he's also nice. The guy is unflappable, unflappable. If he
Speaker 1: gets angry, you would never know it. Rich, I would
Speaker 1: like to remind you that Jeff Ogilvie is part of
Speaker 1: this conversation. He wanted you, he wanted US Open. So
Speaker 1: when you say that Mike Robin, who's a wonderful golfer,
Speaker 1: is a very great golfer, where does that leave a
Speaker 1: Jeff Ogilvie who's one of the US Open. How many
Speaker 1: various are you going to use for him? Oh? Okay,
Speaker 1: you want to know something when you play with a
Speaker 1: professional golfer and you say, wow, great shot. You just
Speaker 1: get tired of it. They don't need to hear it.
Speaker 1: They know it. They step up to the ball and
Speaker 1: they know before they even hit it that the words
Speaker 1: great shots will be accompanying their swing. And I'm ature golfer,
Speaker 1: a very good golfer would like to hear it. It's
Speaker 1: like I was at the range the other day, about
Speaker 1: a month ago and taking a lesson that always with
Speaker 1: one of the pros from Lake Side, and there must
Speaker 1: have been guys all hitting balls, and there was one
Speaker 1: woman college golfer on the range and he turns to
Speaker 1: be goes not at least one person knows how to
Speaker 1: hit the ball at this range, that college golfer, that
Speaker 1: female knows how to hit the ball. Everybody play he's
Speaker 1: pretty well, and you go, wow, nice shot. Only one
Speaker 1: does that make sense? That makes rich. I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get out of the way here. I'm gonna pose
Speaker 1: one question for you, for you to ask a question
Speaker 1: you've got. Jeff og will be here. We all struggle
Speaker 1: different parts of the game. Jeff. We had Ben Crenshaw
Speaker 1: on and Jeff asked Ben Crenshaw about putting Rich. Here's
Speaker 1: your opportunity, get a swing tip or a golf tip
Speaker 1: from Jeff Ogilvy, and then I'm going to turn over
Speaker 1: to those guys let takeover. I well, jeez, there's so
Speaker 1: many the minute that you open that floodgate, there's so
Speaker 1: many things. How do I stop swaying over the ball.
Speaker 1: What is the best way to think of that? Because
Speaker 1: I'm trying to take it back. Of course I'm old.
Speaker 1: Of course I'm not an athlete, and I'm taking up.
Speaker 1: I'm doing everything I can to slowly take it back,
Speaker 1: and yet I'm falling back, and I am swaying so
Speaker 1: that to get back, and I'm keeping my back behind,
Speaker 1: but it's at the wrong place behind. How do I
Speaker 1: stop from that little sway? Because even that three degrees
Speaker 1: of swaying will affect everything you you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you can answer that. Um you sell a
Speaker 1: book helping people do that. I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: I know how to do it. I think most people's
Speaker 1: concept is wrong. Like most people are trying to hit
Speaker 1: up on the ball. You might be somewhere inside deep
Speaker 1: in your concept thinking the club has to be going
Speaker 1: up to hit the ball rather than down, and it
Speaker 1: has to be going down because the grounds under the ball,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think all they which okay, if
Speaker 1: you're supposed to swing out to uh, you know, do
Speaker 1: the great field, how can you swing out while swinging down?
Speaker 1: It's an optical illusion. I understand it's an optical illusion.
Speaker 1: But you're trying to sweep out to the the right field
Speaker 1: and hit down on the ground. I wouldn't focus more
Speaker 1: on the down. This is this is fruitless, Jeff? What
Speaker 1: that kind of champion? That are you? How many through? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you an image that might help
Speaker 1: you to reduce your swinging. I want you to imagine
Speaker 1: that you've swallowed a giant rebar. It's gone down through
Speaker 1: your entire body cavity into the ground, and therefore you
Speaker 1: can only turn around this piece of steel that's gone
Speaker 1: through your entire soul and it's it's right through the
Speaker 1: crack of my ass. I mean I was gonna leave.
Speaker 1: I'm saying I'm turning on a maple. Yes right. I
Speaker 1: don't know if Jeff endorses that, but that might help
Speaker 1: you because I've thought about that and did it help you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it didn't really help me, but it's it's a horrifying
Speaker 1: I coached um girls high school basketball, and I'm always
Speaker 1: trying to stress the importance of keeping your pivot foot down.
Speaker 1: And I always say, pretend this giant rusty nail went
Speaker 1: right through your shoe, right through your foot into the hardwood.
Speaker 1: You cannot move your pivot foot and it always horrifies them,
Speaker 1: but it actually works. They've never forgotten that, so I
Speaker 1: think the same principle applies. Okay, all right, that that's
Speaker 1: a good answer. I try and do that, you know,
Speaker 1: sitting on the bar stool with that oh going through
Speaker 1: my body. I do that. The second thing, I try
Speaker 1: and extend my left leg, straighten it out. Am I correct?
Speaker 1: At what pot in your swing? Okay, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to stand up to do it. I go back. I
Speaker 1: down on my left And then they say, they say,
Speaker 1: doing this, Am I correct with this? Yeah? It'll strident? Absolutely? Yeah.
Speaker 1: If I straighten, how do I still stay down While
Speaker 1: I'm straightening the leg um? The hip supposed to go
Speaker 1: left like her hips are turning. Like Alan said, if
Speaker 1: you're on the rag like that, well, he wants me
Speaker 1: to get my right hip back. So I do this,
Speaker 1: so the right hip is going to go through because
Speaker 1: I can't do anything, But how am I staying that?
Speaker 1: Do I stay? Do I have my right n go down?
Speaker 1: It's just these contract contra positions are confusing to me.
Speaker 1: Does this make sense to you? If I am raising
Speaker 1: my leg, I seem to be standing up. What is
Speaker 1: the way that you stay down while still extending your
Speaker 1: left leg? I think which is from Tom on the range?
Speaker 1: I think we need to go to the drawing range. Okay, Jeff,
Speaker 1: anything comes out of this, I'd like to go to
Speaker 1: the rangion. The range is my favorite place. I I
Speaker 1: sometimes like it more than the golf course, but not
Speaker 1: the mats, because the mats make me a good player,
Speaker 1: even when I suck, which I do all the time.
Speaker 1: I love the range. The bad thing is I live
Speaker 1: in New York and I had three children. And I
Speaker 1: will tell you that that an urban area and three
Speaker 1: children will ruin a golf game. Because I used to
Speaker 1: be pretty good and then that came into my life.
Speaker 1: And it just if you ever want to tell anybody, say,
Speaker 1: don't have children and live close to a arriving range.
Speaker 1: Of course, kids will ruin a golf game if you're
Speaker 1: a good parent. If you're a good parent, kids will
Speaker 1: ruin a golf game. It's about priorities. Rich, I mean,
Speaker 1: I would say golf golf over parenting. Most of the
Speaker 1: time you did it wrong. But um, I think I
Speaker 1: speak for all the listeners when I say that Jeff
Speaker 1: and Rich is the Buddy movie. We didn't know we needed.
Speaker 1: Like we look like that, you guys a convertible driving
Speaker 1: on the Southwest, like stopping and driving ranges like that.
Speaker 1: That's two hours I would gladly spend twelve dollars on
Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, I I The bad thing is I
Speaker 1: am truly a student of the game, and I like
Speaker 1: It's not that I like changing. I like adding things
Speaker 1: to my game, whereas I wish I could take the
Speaker 1: advice of step up and just hit the ball. However,
Speaker 1: I haven't played much since Thanksgiving, this being January or
Speaker 1: something like that. Maybe I've played two or three times.
Speaker 1: I know what's in my head when I have to
Speaker 1: work on. I played the last two days. I was
Speaker 1: so bad, it's horrible. Finally today I started doing things right.
Speaker 1: I started swinging out and yet coming around, which is
Speaker 1: so interesting to me. And sometimes you know what I
Speaker 1: found out today, truly what swinging easy means. I truly did.
Speaker 1: I saw that that I was trying to extend and
Speaker 1: that kept me stiff, and then just swinging easy and
Speaker 1: being pretty. I think that that I know that that
Speaker 1: sounds crazy. I think sometimes being pretty, trying to be
Speaker 1: a ballet danswer, just trying to have a fluid motion
Speaker 1: as opposed to doing things right, I think sometimes helps
Speaker 1: Am I just out of my mind? No? I think
Speaker 1: that's uh. The secret is not caring if you miss.
Speaker 1: You know, all these tensions and all these little tighten
Speaker 1: ups and stuff we do on our dan swings and
Speaker 1: our swing it's also oh my god, don't go right,
Speaker 1: don't go right, don't go right, don't go right, or
Speaker 1: don't go left. We're trying to not do something as
Speaker 1: opposed to just be free. Like a kid when he
Speaker 1: hits a bowl, you give him a stick, ands I
Speaker 1: hit this bowl over there, and I just woke up
Speaker 1: and hit the bowl over there. They're not trying to
Speaker 1: hit it bad, right, So it's it's trying to find
Speaker 1: your way back to your childlike head space. Somehow. This
Speaker 1: is really how all the best advice is learn while
Speaker 1: you're young, because then the club head is stronger than
Speaker 1: your arms. Now, my arms are stronger than the weight
Speaker 1: of the club head. So I try and take my
Speaker 1: club head to wear it belongs. Whereas if you're six
Speaker 1: years old, you can't. You can do nothing but swing
Speaker 1: the club head correctly because it's you can't control it.
Speaker 1: I I now look. The question that I really want
Speaker 1: to ask, that everybody wants to ask, but I will
Speaker 1: not get an answer, is why am I strong? Why
Speaker 1: does it sound great? Why is everything moving correctly? And
Speaker 1: my the ball does not go as far as I want.
Speaker 1: It's a mystery. We have to go to a driving right.
Speaker 1: You might be missing the sweet spot. If you miss it,
Speaker 1: you know I'm alan I'm giving the sweet spot. Oh
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. The ball goes exactly correctly, and I
Speaker 1: just end up twenty to thirty yards behind the next guy.
Speaker 1: I just do. I just do. And I know you
Speaker 1: lose three yards for every year that you you know,
Speaker 1: as you grow older. But I should not be hitting
Speaker 1: it as short as I am. And I'm hitting it.
Speaker 1: It sounds great, it looks great. I was with a
Speaker 1: force of this morning. I didn't know anybody, and they're going, oh,
Speaker 1: you're pretty great. Oh you go, what beautiful golf swing?
Speaker 1: I don't. However, for these guys, and they're pretty good.
Speaker 1: They were single digits proud of my golf swing. It
Speaker 1: just it kills me. It's just upsetting. It was the
Speaker 1: last time you've got a new driver, and where you
Speaker 1: custom fit for it. It's it's all, okay, well let's
Speaker 1: not go there. Because they're gorgeous clubs and they're great.
Speaker 1: I I can hit them well, they were customed in.
Speaker 1: Do you really believe the custom fitting makes that big
Speaker 1: a difference? I do. I mean, you know. Then let
Speaker 1: me ask you something, because I think this is interesting.
Speaker 1: Your custom fit for golf clubs and then you completely
Speaker 1: change your swing. The feature tells you, what do you do?
Speaker 1: Get fit again? So you have to get fit again?
Speaker 1: But how how much are you changing your golf swing
Speaker 1: at this point in your life? I mean, what you think?
Speaker 1: It's a change? Interesting? Alan, I changed it dramatically. Sounds
Speaker 1: like it changes dilate there it changes from hold to hold. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I have truly truly changed it dramatic, dramatically. I am
Speaker 1: using much more of my arms than I am when
Speaker 1: I was learned when I was young to use your body.
Speaker 1: He you know, he just says, look when you throw
Speaker 1: a ball, you know, you don't think of, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: how did I just you know, switch and where where
Speaker 1: did they go? You throw the ball and your body follows.
Speaker 1: So he has me dropping the club and then swinging
Speaker 1: out you like. That's that's where you lost thirty yards.
Speaker 1: You've got this hand zy arms, flippy swing. You gotta
Speaker 1: use the big muscles. You gotta turn. That's where the
Speaker 1: speed is. Am I right? Jack saying that they that
Speaker 1: they come into they they come into play without your
Speaker 1: even question. Again, you can't even you don't even think
Speaker 1: about it, which is what? Which is why you can
Speaker 1: find another one. That's my advice. He's great. I'm hitting
Speaker 1: the ball really well. I used to have a nice
Speaker 1: draw to the ball. I don't anymore. But you know,
Speaker 1: oh god, he's he's a great teacher. He's tremendous. And
Speaker 1: uh but he cost you thirty yards? How great can
Speaker 1: he be? You just lost thirty yards because the teacher.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm hitting this the same distance I've
Speaker 1: always done this. I was. I think part of it
Speaker 1: is is I'm trying to hit the ball, you know,
Speaker 1: with with this whereas I used to cop uh, So
Speaker 1: that is one thing that he has taught, so I'm
Speaker 1: consistent with that. But I I used to scoop. He
Speaker 1: has got me. I just need lesson after lesson and
Speaker 1: driving ranging after driving rage. And I got to join
Speaker 1: a golf club in New York. I never belonged to
Speaker 1: golf club in New York, and that's where I live.
Speaker 1: I belonged to a great course out in l A. Regularities,
Speaker 1: the sacred, absolutely absolutely consistency. Just do it all the time.
Speaker 1: Um So outside of the standard of your game was
Speaker 1: if I replace as you played? Have you played everywhere
Speaker 1: around the world or around the country, Jeff, I honestly have.
Speaker 1: I've been very I am a blessed, blessed man. I
Speaker 1: will tell you that one of my favorite places Michael
Speaker 1: has taken the bill and he remembers it Pine Valley.
Speaker 1: I just love Pine Valley. Uh. My favorite place to
Speaker 1: play in the world is Rivieria. It's my favorite and
Speaker 1: I play well there all the time. I don't know
Speaker 1: why I always break ninety there, it's I just play
Speaker 1: well there. Um Uh. What I loved well. Castle Stewart
Speaker 1: in Scotland has great memories for me, and the one
Speaker 1: that's right by the railroad tracks in Scotland. You get
Speaker 1: off the train and you're right there. Prestwick's at Prestwix
Speaker 1: on a try and train. Lots of them are on
Speaker 1: a try and actually stand. But I mean you step
Speaker 1: off and you're in the clubhouse. Do you know which
Speaker 1: one you know? Well, you shouldn't have it. Sounds like
Speaker 1: Prestwick was the first hole totally blind to no fairway.
Speaker 1: You can only hit like a seven iron off the team.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. It was so many years ago. It's just, um,
Speaker 1: I really do love I mean, I'm uh, are you
Speaker 1: are you? Have you played the Discovery Properties? I've played
Speaker 1: a few of them? Um, what's that one? Great fun? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I love I love the Eldorado And I've been
Speaker 1: lucky enough to play that a few times because I
Speaker 1: have a few friends who belong there and I'm a
Speaker 1: good friend with Mike Melbin. So I've been a very
Speaker 1: very lucky recipient of some of those. Oh the one
Speaker 1: that that that's in um is a quarter lane? Is
Speaker 1: that the quartelines? That plan? Yeah, that's just that is stunning.
Speaker 1: And I stopic trip. He has not nenna do with golf,
Speaker 1: but I went took a trip with my family and
Speaker 1: we were going to Bryce Canyon and my son didn't
Speaker 1: want to take take the hike, and I said, Max,
Speaker 1: there is no more beautiful place on the earth than
Speaker 1: where we are right now, and he goes, Dad, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of scene of me, and that
Speaker 1: just always made me lab But that course in Cord
Speaker 1: Lane is just as scenic of places you'll ever play.
Speaker 1: But all of its courses are they're they're just they're beautiful.
Speaker 1: Um So I do like that where else? And I, um,
Speaker 1: you know that I've never been to Hilton Man where else. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you. I think Pebble is great. I mean,
Speaker 1: Pebble is just fantastic. And I refused to play there
Speaker 1: unless I'm taken there. I think that the how they
Speaker 1: overcharge that ruins around the golf for me, that's that's
Speaker 1: somebody with a big swagger saying, hey, look at me,
Speaker 1: We'll charge is six around and you gotta pay a
Speaker 1: caddy and that's and you gotta stay in our hotel.
Speaker 1: It's enough that this is an elite sport, but when
Speaker 1: you wear it on your sleeve like that, I think
Speaker 1: it's disgraceful. I just do you prefer like humble municipal
Speaker 1: courses like Riviera? I get it, but there are great
Speaker 1: municipal courses mont Talk Downs. I love the one up
Speaker 1: north nearest Sanders Abispo and all of the there's a
Speaker 1: beautiful one. I can't remember names. My Beth, Beth Pipe,
Speaker 1: Black Breaker, Beth, all of those and you know something else, Beth.
Speaker 1: They're all great at Beth Page, the Red, the Armored.
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that? I mean, yes, Beth Page,
Speaker 1: Black phenomenal, but they all are, and they're all difficult
Speaker 1: than they all play long. I think I think they're great. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've just been a lucky recipient of being taken to
Speaker 1: many played what he called Ridgewood out in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: Is so great, these hidden gems. Uh, I've been what's
Speaker 1: the one in? Uh in uh Pittsburgh open Yuh. I'm
Speaker 1: just lucky. I'm lucky, lucky, lucky. Michael give us a
Speaker 1: scattering report on Riches game. We've heard a lot from him,
Speaker 1: but I want an expert, you know, view on this.
Speaker 1: I played well with Michael, or with our dear Fred
Speaker 1: j or with Mike Robin, I've not played well. Did
Speaker 1: you play well with my close personal friend Davis. I
Speaker 1: loved the third with who David's love the Third? I did?
Speaker 1: I played well with him? Did did? Did he say?
Speaker 1: I played awful? You were about forty nine at the time,
Speaker 1: and I believe Davis's exact quote was, if you could
Speaker 1: find a range, she could probably lay his way onto
Speaker 1: the senior Tour. I believe that's exactly what he said. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's terrible what he did not. But we played like
Speaker 1: three holes and I played pretty okay with him. How
Speaker 1: did you play with Fred? With who? Fred Couples? I
Speaker 1: think I was looking at his game more than mine.
Speaker 1: That's smart, I don't think. I think I'll tell you who.
Speaker 1: I played very well with um Um French Scoffer. What's
Speaker 1: his name? No, No, No, he's not French. He's uh
Speaker 1: oh skinny. Oh what's his name? Lovely guy? I played
Speaker 1: at that I think of the hope with him, and
Speaker 1: he was playing so poorly and I was playing so well.
Speaker 1: He forgot his game and he just kept coaching me.
Speaker 1: Um um um Oh, he's such a lovely man. Maybe
Speaker 1: Sweetish would help um Um Patterson No, no, no, they
Speaker 1: said Finn thing sorry. Robert Carlson, No a funny French name.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know exactly. I am such a
Speaker 1: bad interview because I bring up stories and people and
Speaker 1: I go, oh, you know who it is? Uh? Rich Rich,
Speaker 1: have you kept up your membership at Lakeside? I have?
Speaker 1: For those who don't know, lake Side, it's an old
Speaker 1: timey Hollywood hang out. Bing Cross Bebley was a member there.
Speaker 1: I think Bob Hope was, remember there, Rich, that's I
Speaker 1: think Rossy was club champion for many years. Uh. It's
Speaker 1: a it was the you know, they did not let
Speaker 1: actors into l a country club, so the actors had
Speaker 1: to uh create their own club and they did in
Speaker 1: the valley. Uh. And this is uh Bob Hope being clubby.
Speaker 1: But I mean people like Johnny Weiss Mueller, Oliver Hardy, Uh,
Speaker 1: William Frawley for my love Lucy, Humphrey Bogart. Uh are
Speaker 1: we allowed the curse on this show? Okay? I I
Speaker 1: mean I I uh uh if if. Some of the
Speaker 1: legendary stories is that Humphrey Bogart uh came up to
Speaker 1: the to the starter and said, is anybody going out?
Speaker 1: And they go Bill Fields is going out? W C. Fields.
Speaker 1: He's on the first team. So Humphrey Bogart comes up.
Speaker 1: He goes, uh, listen, if you mind if I join you,
Speaker 1: and supposedly W. C. Field says, if I wanted to
Speaker 1: play with my dick, I go home and to play
Speaker 1: with that dick. I go home and play with myself.
Speaker 1: That's what he said to hum Boger. Um Forest Tucker,
Speaker 1: who was can I tell all these stories that are
Speaker 1: legendary about lead side? Okay, they're much more interesting about
Speaker 1: where than where I played? Um? Uh. Forest Tucker was
Speaker 1: supposed to be very very well endowed and he was
Speaker 1: a member of If you don't know who Farest Tucker is,
Speaker 1: he was the captain in uh F Troop and he
Speaker 1: was very very well hung and supposedly he had a
Speaker 1: putt that they wouldn't give him. He said, really, you're
Speaker 1: not giving me that put They don't know they what
Speaker 1: do we want to see it? He goes, I could
Speaker 1: put that in with my dick, at which point he
Speaker 1: pulled out his dick and put it in that. That's
Speaker 1: just in the podcast. Now. I don't think what can
Speaker 1: you keep that in the podcast? I don't know the podcast. Jean,
Speaker 1: what's his name? Jehan? John? No? No, no, he wears
Speaker 1: he wears a hat to decide Jesus Jesper. Part of
Speaker 1: it was playing so poorly that he like almost gave
Speaker 1: up and just kept coaching me. I was really playing well,
Speaker 1: So there are certain times. It was one of those
Speaker 1: days to play well. I played well with Rich Beam.
Speaker 1: I had played with Rich just after he won the Open,
Speaker 1: and uh Andy I happened to have played with him,
Speaker 1: played very well. There are times when I play well,
Speaker 1: but these are years ago. These three years ago, I
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Speaker 1: to Nita fourth. Michael completely punted on giving a scouting
Speaker 1: report in your game. So what is what's the lowest
Speaker 1: pit index ever? Did you ask Freddy Couples about my game?
Speaker 1: He doesn't remember my game. I think he wouldn't remember
Speaker 1: my thing. I think Fred's precise words were how old
Speaker 1: is Rich? And I said he's forty nine and a half.
Speaker 1: Fred said, good, six months. If you can get himself
Speaker 1: to the range, I think he can make it on
Speaker 1: the Senior Tour. I believe that's what he said. You're
Speaker 1: recycling your stories. You know. Fred doesn't have any original thoughts.
Speaker 1: He just repeats whatever David says. Here's here's Rich's game.
Speaker 1: And Jeff brings up a lot of tennis analogies. He'll
Speaker 1: especially appreciate this. You know, guys who take you know,
Speaker 1: they want you to take the ball when it's high,
Speaker 1: but some guys wait for it to go down and
Speaker 1: then they get low and they come up on it
Speaker 1: and they turn it over and it doesn't have great velocity,
Speaker 1: and it's about a yard or two over the net.
Speaker 1: But it's deep. It's deep, and it's heavy. That's rich
Speaker 1: with fourteen clubs including ter. It's deep and it's heavy,
Speaker 1: it's in play. He's got actually a beautiful rhythm. His question,
Speaker 1: which I would love to ask the same question of Jeff,
Speaker 1: is a very telling one because it shows a level
Speaker 1: of self awareness, which is so important, of course in life,
Speaker 1: but let's forget about life. Engulf self awareness is so important.
Speaker 1: He moves considerably off the ball, as do I. It's
Speaker 1: very rhythmic, and it's it's kind of flat for a
Speaker 1: big tall man and it and it doesn't go very high,
Speaker 1: and it goes far in the ground and it's deep.
Speaker 1: So it's a very effective game. And you could absolutely
Speaker 1: bring rich anywhere, which I'm surprised you don't play in
Speaker 1: the A T and T Tournament, the Pebble Beach pro Am,
Speaker 1: because you'd be perfect for that, thank you. I was
Speaker 1: asked once and I turned it down because I had
Speaker 1: an opportunity to be in a movie with Alan Arkin,
Speaker 1: and I was going to do scenes with Alan Arkin,
Speaker 1: and that's what I chose. To do. He made a
Speaker 1: bad decision. But that's okayision. I would love to play
Speaker 1: in the A T and T. I would kill the player. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's a story. Back in the day when I was
Speaker 1: a decent player, I won the Bing Crosby. How about
Speaker 1: that for my resume. We don't really rich. If I may,
Speaker 1: we don't know what you're talking about. I won. I
Speaker 1: won the Big Crosby Championship. Here's oh Bing Crosby tournament
Speaker 1: was started at Lakeside. It was the clam Bake. They
Speaker 1: got all the talent that was at Lakeside when he
Speaker 1: was in his prime, and they all performed. They moved
Speaker 1: it up the Pebble Beach and put bing Crosby's name
Speaker 1: on it. In his will, bing Crosby said, this tournament
Speaker 1: can never go corporate. Well, we know that the world
Speaker 1: has changed and they could not afford to keep it
Speaker 1: without a corporate sponsor. A T and T took it over,
Speaker 1: but in his will they were not allowed to call
Speaker 1: it the bing Crosby A T and T. It was
Speaker 1: called the A T, A T and T. So they
Speaker 1: took the bing Crosby to South Carolina? Am I correct?
Speaker 1: Is that? What if there there there's a tournament. Sarah
Speaker 1: Lee was the sponsor, but it was the It was
Speaker 1: the Bing Crosby. None of them sounds correct, but keep going, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is correct. On what I'm telling you was the truth.
Speaker 1: I don't believe there were any professional golfers, but there was.
Speaker 1: It was still a charity event called the Bing Crosby.
Speaker 1: You got paired up, a celebrity got paired up with
Speaker 1: either somebody who were bought in or a Sarahly executive,
Speaker 1: of which I did, and the two of us want it,
Speaker 1: and we split a hundred and twenty thousand dollars to
Speaker 1: uh to donate to different charities. Alan, you want to
Speaker 1: hear a shocker. It's totally correct. Uh, there are the
Speaker 1: rich one second, Alan, there are many threads that are
Speaker 1: wildly off, but the big picture is correct. In eighties,
Speaker 1: six mrs after Bing died. Ding Bing died in about
Speaker 1: seventy four, Being was dead and Mrs Crosby do you
Speaker 1: remember her name? Rich Mary Katherine not married? She she
Speaker 1: She and Nathalie took the event to South Carolina for
Speaker 1: a or too, and I think they did call it
Speaker 1: the Being Crosby. I think longer than two years. It
Speaker 1: was for a few years. Sarahly was the sponsor. That's true.
Speaker 1: And you don't need any money, and I have I
Speaker 1: wanted I did. I wanted it city that people kept
Speaker 1: coming up to me, Oh, don't give give some money
Speaker 1: to my charity. And I mean it was like a
Speaker 1: lottery winner. You don't want to be a lottery winner. Okay,
Speaker 1: you want to hear. You want to hear golf story.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna want to hear. I'm playing Sherwood, of
Speaker 1: which Sean Connery belonged to Sherwood. Sean Connery comes up
Speaker 1: behind us. You know we're gonna let him play through.
Speaker 1: He's a member when he's Sean Connery, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: let him play through. I hit a ball to the right.
Speaker 1: There's water like a creek along on the right to
Speaker 1: par five. I push the ball to the right. Up
Speaker 1: comes Sean Connery. Sean Connery really pushes it to the
Speaker 1: right into the water. We don't say anything. He goes
Speaker 1: up because up ahead it's a ball. Keeps playing. I
Speaker 1: go up. My ball isn't there. I look in the water.
Speaker 1: There's a Sherwood ball. I don't have a Sherwood ball.
Speaker 1: That's right where his ball would have been. He hit
Speaker 1: mine and he pulled the gold finger. And I tell
Speaker 1: my son, I tell my son this story. I say, Honey,
Speaker 1: you never ever cheat. Because Sean Connery does not remember
Speaker 1: that shot, that whole that round of golf. It means
Speaker 1: nothing to him, and yet his cheating will be remembered
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. I played at bel
Speaker 1: Air Country Club right in front of James Gardner who
Speaker 1: was a member, and um, Michael, Michael, do you remember
Speaker 1: our our editor friend Greg Kelly Sports Illustrated. He was
Speaker 1: a very deliberate golfer, and um, and James Gardner was
Speaker 1: was not happy. And we probably played in four hours
Speaker 1: and fifteen. We were not horribly slow, but it was
Speaker 1: slower than he wanted. And um, he was writing our
Speaker 1: ass the entire round. And finally on eighteen he hit
Speaker 1: into us and like stormed up and I'll never I'll
Speaker 1: never watch another James Gardner show on re run after that. Yes,
Speaker 1: so these these things have lasting repercussions. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: that you were probably planning to slow. My point is,
Speaker 1: why will he should have taken action sooner? We would
Speaker 1: let him play through, But he just was just this
Speaker 1: brooding presence behind us the whole the whole time. Anyway, Well,
Speaker 1: I've got I've got two things to say. Alan. Number One,
Speaker 1: there is nothing bad about letting somebody go through. Ever,
Speaker 1: even if you're playing quickly. If somebody's playing quicker or
Speaker 1: wants to come through, what the hell you're talking about
Speaker 1: four to six minutes of your life let them go through.
Speaker 1: It doesn't, it's not. It's nothing bad. And the second
Speaker 1: thing is, I would rather play even if I'm not
Speaker 1: playing leisurely, even if I'm playing quickly. I don't want
Speaker 1: anybody on my tail ever, ever, ever, ever on my
Speaker 1: tail that makes me feel upset. And you know it's
Speaker 1: it's like I don't want anybody throwing clubs. Not because
Speaker 1: of that, is because, especially if I'm gambling, if somebody's unhappy,
Speaker 1: I'm such an empathetic person. I'm gonna want that person
Speaker 1: to win because he's so upset, even though I'm gonna
Speaker 1: lose money. So I said to play for some money.
Speaker 1: Now you've given us that. Oh yeah, yeah, but you
Speaker 1: don't throw clubs. Do you have you ever thrown a club? Jeff?
Speaker 1: Maybe you really? Have you ever thrown a club? Well?
Speaker 1: You played for a long time and you care about
Speaker 1: what you do. Yeah, it happens. I didn't say you
Speaker 1: didn't get upset. I'm not saying you didn't pound a
Speaker 1: club into the ground. I said, did you ever throw
Speaker 1: a club? It's happened. I'm not proud of it. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you stick them on your grips, you know, sometimes your
Speaker 1: grips get slippery. Did you ever do it at a tournament?
Speaker 1: What we have to define what a throw is? I
Speaker 1: think it's a it's a frisbee. It's never gone more
Speaker 1: than five yards, probably, but sometimes it needs to get
Speaker 1: back to the you've flipped it, somebody trying to throw
Speaker 1: and a toss, yeah flip, Yeah, you've it. No, I've
Speaker 1: said I throw a club. Golf is a gentleman's game,
Speaker 1: and that's why you let people go through. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: you can't act like a gentleman. I can go through.
Speaker 1: You want to be an asshole, You be an asshole.
Speaker 1: Here's the red carpet, go on through. That's just how
Speaker 1: I play. There's nothing more fun than watching someone employed
Speaker 1: on the golf course side nothing I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. The only way that I let
Speaker 1: them throw a club is I will then go, I
Speaker 1: got you right where I want to. You're gonna lose
Speaker 1: so much fucking money. I'm going to wring my hands
Speaker 1: at the end. Yes, Michael, I have never met a
Speaker 1: golfer who has not thrown the club at some point
Speaker 1: in their life. If, if, if, and if you are
Speaker 1: that golfer, I standing off, standing off, I will never
Speaker 1: throw a golf club. I will put it down, I
Speaker 1: will go, oh my god, and it will toss and
Speaker 1: it will fall. But I'm talking about and throw it
Speaker 1: and it. I had one last year where I was
Speaker 1: a short part five and I hit it well and
Speaker 1: Baul sitting up in the left rough and I thought
Speaker 1: I could get home with a hybrid, and the three
Speaker 1: other guys were on the far right, and it's just perfect. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's inviting. It's like sitting on a tea. And I
Speaker 1: whipped and I topped it and went into the lake
Speaker 1: and I threw that club as far as I possibly could.
Speaker 1: While that club was in the air, my first low was,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, now the balls in the water and the
Speaker 1: club is to The second thought is do not make
Speaker 1: any eye contact, because then for sure you're caught. Anyway,
Speaker 1: was in the water club was not but that was
Speaker 1: only that that was only last year at six one.
Speaker 1: So and so you will you've thrown and you are
Speaker 1: a very even field man. We all lose it. I've heard.
Speaker 1: I've heard it's difficult to throw them straight to I've
Speaker 1: heard that is the guy who throws it. It hits
Speaker 1: the tree and bounces back and hits him in the
Speaker 1: head and kills him. Rich There there was a can
Speaker 1: you help us out here? There was a thing very
Speaker 1: well Matt Damon. There was a bit about Matt Damon
Speaker 1: and something in d c its on the internet. Can
Speaker 1: you fill us? And what is that whole thing about?
Speaker 1: I will tell you, And then you're gonna ask me
Speaker 1: to tell the story. I don't tell the story. Uh.
Speaker 1: George Clooney is one of my best friends, and they're
Speaker 1: an opportunity for personal reasons, came up where he had
Speaker 1: to be my roommate for a couple of months, and
Speaker 1: so he stayed in my apartment. While he lived in
Speaker 1: my apartment, he uh did a practical joke and he
Speaker 1: took a dump in my kitty little BOMs. Now that
Speaker 1: is the shortened and very shortened of the story. I
Speaker 1: don't tell the story. Anymore, Let's move on, which what
Speaker 1: what can George? What can George shoot on a good day?
Speaker 1: On a good day, he broke eighty at Sat Sherwood
Speaker 1: years ago. He's a very good athlete. However, he and
Speaker 1: he was a great baseball player. And as you know,
Speaker 1: a baseball players and ockey players can hit the ball.
Speaker 1: But if he doesn't have the natural swing, and he
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to get there, because he doesn't know
Speaker 1: the mechanics of a golf swing, those are mechanics of
Speaker 1: a baseball bat. But if he doesn't know the mechanics
Speaker 1: of a golf swing, and at is off kilter, and there,
Speaker 1: you know, you're just a couple of degrees off taking
Speaker 1: a backer coming in, you all shoot a hundred and twenty.
Speaker 1: And he's somebody who used to get it. He's good
Speaker 1: at everything. He's good at being good at everything. So
Speaker 1: he's he's been touched by God. And he's a good athlete.
Speaker 1: He's he's a good ping pound player and a tennis
Speaker 1: player and a basketball player. But a golf we all know,
Speaker 1: if you're not on, oh you are you off? And
Speaker 1: he was off and he can get off. And he
Speaker 1: used to throw the club and then he just realized,
Speaker 1: as we all do, we're not good enough to warrant
Speaker 1: being angry. It's just what we are, what we get it.
Speaker 1: We can be upset, we can be really upset. And
Speaker 1: now when I'm playing great, there's nobody you want to
Speaker 1: play with other than me. If I'm playing great, and
Speaker 1: if I'm playing poorly, just I'm just and I'm a
Speaker 1: nice man, and just get out of my way. Just
Speaker 1: shut off. So upset that I don't for a club, Jeff,
Speaker 1: I don't rich. What can Larry David? What can Larry
Speaker 1: David shoot on a good day? Okay, I gotta tell
Speaker 1: you a couple of stories about Larry David. Number one,
Speaker 1: I was at El Dorado, uh, playing with Larry. I
Speaker 1: was one of those days where I was playing really well.
Speaker 1: I would get in the card to go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: just so good, Oh my god, you're such a good golfer.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Just it made me laugh so hard
Speaker 1: because that day I was a really good golfer and
Speaker 1: he was playing fine. He wasn't playing badly. I was
Speaker 1: playing magnificent. All the couple was going, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're so good, You're so good. I don't believe so
Speaker 1: I played well that day. Uh, here is a great
Speaker 1: story about Larry. You're all familiar with the Curb Your
Speaker 1: Enthusiasm episode with the white swan. Right, yes, okay. In
Speaker 1: the episode, we're filming it at Mountain Gate. There is
Speaker 1: a hole there which, if you know Mountain Gate, you
Speaker 1: hit straight out a drive. All you want is straight
Speaker 1: and then all you want is straight to the left.
Speaker 1: It is as right and it is as left angled
Speaker 1: or right angled a hole as you could ever wish for.
Speaker 1: You hit it there, You hit it there. Okay, it
Speaker 1: is there, and there he's supposed to pull the golf
Speaker 1: ball into the water where he goes down to retrieve
Speaker 1: his ball, and there he gets attacked near the water
Speaker 1: by a white swan. So what he was gonna do?
Speaker 1: They turned the camera, the cameras behind him. When you
Speaker 1: hit a golf ball, unless you're tracking it or you
Speaker 1: have those special cameras that golf cameras are, you can
Speaker 1: see where the golf ball is. He hits the ball
Speaker 1: and they're gonna say, we just hit it three times,
Speaker 1: and uh, we're not gonna yell cut just but just
Speaker 1: get down hit three times. And after each shot we're
Speaker 1: supposed to go oh you pull the Ahe what the same? Uh? Nice?
Speaker 1: Try you pull the eye like that? He gets up
Speaker 1: one A, two, no, three A. No camera cuts. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, everyone straight, straight, straight. They must have been
Speaker 1: within six inches of each other. It's because he had
Speaker 1: no He didn't have to hit the ball. He was
Speaker 1: supposed to hit the ball poorly, and so he was relaxed.
Speaker 1: He was supposed to look like it was bad. He
Speaker 1: swung perfectly. If that is not a lesson for this podcast,
Speaker 1: I don't know what is everyone. You couldn't go down
Speaker 1: and place it in a more perfect spot? Three balls? Boom,
Speaker 1: boom boom. Did you just talk to your wife? No,
Speaker 1: Michael Bama, I did not talk to my wife. Now,
Speaker 1: who are you talking? Who's more important than me right now?
Speaker 1: Who could possibly be more important than your wife and me? Nobody?
Speaker 1: Rich then you were talking like this, I saw you. Well,
Speaker 1: we did um this morning. We did our our company zoom.
Speaker 1: And you know, we've got a guy in Michigan who
Speaker 1: snowed in here in here in California. It's quite chilly today.
Speaker 1: And Michael turns his camera on and it's palm trees
Speaker 1: and he's in shorts and a T shirt. He's glistening
Speaker 1: in the sun, and I was like, wow, Philadelphia has
Speaker 1: really changed. It's not what we remember. And so he's
Speaker 1: been taking Trappel all day long. So are you are you?
Speaker 1: Are you in in in uh Orlando? No, I'm in
Speaker 1: North Palm Beach. I'm at a public golf course at
Speaker 1: North Palm Beach. You're at Palm Beach. I'm in North
Speaker 1: Palm Beach. I'm Beach. I know you are here in Boca.
Speaker 1: I know. Oh my god, where were you playing? I
Speaker 1: was just hitting balls at at a driving ranger. But
Speaker 1: they have as they have a grass range, but unfortunately
Speaker 1: on days you can only hit off the mats. I
Speaker 1: have a question Saturday morning if I can get if
Speaker 1: we need a fourth for a key time? Did you
Speaker 1: say need a fourth? You're totally totally on brand. And
Speaker 1: then I'm flying home to see that the your Eagles
Speaker 1: lose to my giants. That will be very exciting for
Speaker 1: one of us. All right, Alan, Alan, I'm gonna turn
Speaker 1: this over to you. You do as you wish from
Speaker 1: here on to the house. I don't want to I
Speaker 1: don't want to tell you how good a golfer Larry is.
Speaker 1: Larry like me. Whenever anybody asks what's my handicap? I say,
Speaker 1: look at me, that's my hand again. Larry is a
Speaker 1: very very good golfer. And if you want to talk
Speaker 1: to him about anything, talk to him about his golf
Speaker 1: swing and you will have his attention and you won't
Speaker 1: have to worry about him being a curm Adrian. He
Speaker 1: will talk golf for as long as you want. He
Speaker 1: loves it. Okay, well, I think we just found another
Speaker 1: guest for the needed fortune not getting. But he will talk.
Speaker 1: It would be thrilled. I thought you were offering to
Speaker 1: make it happen. Rich, aren't you gonna broker it? I
Speaker 1: could text him and say you may have a good time.
Speaker 1: You guys are all very nice, but I'm very forgiving.
Speaker 1: What sport do you think? What? What athletes do you
Speaker 1: think play the best? Golf? Hockey? Jeff? I couldn't agree
Speaker 1: with you more definitely. I am astounded, astounded, and how
Speaker 1: good they are? Astounded? I think are good. I think
Speaker 1: ballplayers are good. For quarterbacks are good. The quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: good quarterbacks, um Derrick Anderson, Um, yeah, but yeah. The
Speaker 1: hockey players have got such a good move. Say they
Speaker 1: hit down on it? Players are hitting down. You know,
Speaker 1: they're not trying to get Underneathan Park there on top
Speaker 1: of it, and they're smashing it into the os And
Speaker 1: that's what I do with the bowl, and I hit
Speaker 1: the bowl instantly. Welley players fantastic, but also their touched.
Speaker 1: I was at a tournament in somewhere in California and
Speaker 1: they had to hit over a branch, onto a tree,
Speaker 1: I mean, onto a green. They were they were spectacular, spectacular.
Speaker 1: Luckily I did it. I mean, but that's when I
Speaker 1: was good. Now it's you know, it would be under
Speaker 1: the branch and across the green. It's just my my
Speaker 1: chipping is just it's ten stokes, just ten strokes of
Speaker 1: my game are because I scalded across and I think
Speaker 1: I'm doing it right, and I think I'm doing it right,
Speaker 1: and it's just upsets me, upsets me to nowhere. Um.
Speaker 1: But I was a cart boy for three summers at
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach Golf Links and that's kind of where I
Speaker 1: learned how to play golf. And the NHL Players Association
Speaker 1: came out. They had some sort of boondoggle with a
Speaker 1: bunch of the players and it was like eight am.
Speaker 1: They all came the first t about twenty of them.
Speaker 1: Everyone's drinking hard already, and Jeremy Roenick was the first
Speaker 1: guy to hit. And if you know the first hole
Speaker 1: at Pebble Beach, even though you don't like to pay
Speaker 1: the greens feed there rich, but you may recall, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a short dog leg part four. It's only
Speaker 1: a hybrid, maybe a four iron. They weren't they weren't
Speaker 1: even playing it. All the way back. He has his
Speaker 1: driver and everyone's saying, so, that's too much club, there's
Speaker 1: too much club. You can't driver here. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna fade it around the corner and try
Speaker 1: and hit it on the green. And he wound up
Speaker 1: hitting it dead straight and it went over the bunker,
Speaker 1: over the tree, and almost hit this house up on
Speaker 1: the hill that's never been in play for any human being.
Speaker 1: And I got and these guys fell down on the
Speaker 1: t box. It's one of the most memorable golf swings
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. But oh, that that's all that. That's
Speaker 1: like my club. If you know, uh, thirteen, uh, twelve
Speaker 1: and thirteen are two very short par four's. Uh, And
Speaker 1: so I said to the guests that I had put
Speaker 1: your drive away. You don't want to hit driver. And
Speaker 1: Uh anyway, we got to the vo which a butts
Speaker 1: that thing, and the guy on the tee was hitting
Speaker 1: a driver and he goes, well he's hitting the driver,
Speaker 1: and go well, that guy's an idiot. And it was.
Speaker 1: He's old time Australian. Uh goffer. Oh like, I can't
Speaker 1: think of his name, but it was he was. He
Speaker 1: was a world champion golfer. Hit degree with his driver.
Speaker 1: So I can't think who it is. All I remember
Speaker 1: is we've gotten a huge fight. Uh Democrat Republican. He
Speaker 1: was a huge right winger. You know what I'm talking about, Jeff.
Speaker 1: It could be he could be. You're right, I know
Speaker 1: I I got. I got the huge fights with GWayne
Speaker 1: Gretzky over all of that stuff. So look, I stick
Speaker 1: my nose in it anywhere. Clearly, as as Michael Murphy
Speaker 1: want said on this podcast, this is a dangerous group.
Speaker 1: I love it. Uh well, richid been extremely generous with
Speaker 1: your time. I've loved it. I've loved it. Before we
Speaker 1: send you back out into the wilds of a a
Speaker 1: Florida retirement community. Uh, any final stories you want to
Speaker 1: share from your vast repertoire or this is your last
Speaker 1: chance to offend our listens. Yeah, I do. I have
Speaker 1: one one story. This is all about me. My dad
Speaker 1: wanted me to play golf so badly, and all I
Speaker 1: said was I don't want to And my dad said, okay.
Speaker 1: And I said to my kids, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: do that to you. You're gonna learn how to sing
Speaker 1: the golf club now, being in New York and stuff
Speaker 1: to do that. But all my kids know how to
Speaker 1: swing a club. They don't know how to play, but
Speaker 1: they all know how to swing a golf club. I said,
Speaker 1: you don't have to go out and play, but I
Speaker 1: believe that a young person, that every young person should
Speaker 1: learn the game of golf and not play. They should
Speaker 1: learn because the day will come when they want to
Speaker 1: play and their body will know how to make that
Speaker 1: turn and what to aspire to. When I finally took
Speaker 1: up the game and I started playing with my father,
Speaker 1: I'll have to stand for this. If I'm hitting, shipping
Speaker 1: towards the pin, go like that. This particular teacher at
Speaker 1: the time had me face the target and swing like this,
Speaker 1: So my hips were already facing towards the target. And
Speaker 1: I go up and I go up to chip the
Speaker 1: ball and my dad goes, what are you doing? They
Speaker 1: I'm chipping the ball and he goes, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: what are you What are you doing with your heads?
Speaker 1: Hit the ball? And I go, I am my My
Speaker 1: teacher said, but because no, you don't do that. And
Speaker 1: I go, it's what my teacher said. Do you want
Speaker 1: to know what kind of man? What kind of golfer
Speaker 1: my dad was? This is what he said, Look, son
Speaker 1: of mine, chips a ball like that. I salute him
Speaker 1: because that was not the way to the ball, of course,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't matter that that's what your teacher tells you.
Speaker 1: You do that. Of course you change over the years.
Speaker 1: That It always made me laugh. That's how commanding my
Speaker 1: dad was. It's as loud as he was. He loved it.
Speaker 1: When he passed away. He was a six handicap. I
Speaker 1: wish I'd be played for the army. You know. He
Speaker 1: was a great golfer. Uh and he was a very
Speaker 1: qure garious and loud, loud man. So to say that,
Speaker 1: that's that's who I was raised by. It that's my dad.
Speaker 1: I love it. Well. Lend it on a story about
Speaker 1: my dad. Yeah, it's a nice it's a nice grace
Speaker 1: note after some of the other topics we covered on
Speaker 1: this podcast. But he was tired to a place called
Speaker 1: Champion Hills, which is Tom Fazio's. It's such a glorious course.
Speaker 1: Tom Fazzio moved his family there and used his family
Speaker 1: there in North Carolina. I love that. That's beautiful. Outside
Speaker 1: of nice, but a pleasure, Michael. I never get to
Speaker 1: see you, so it's truly nice to see same here, Richard,
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you brilliant. Well that was rich kind.
Speaker 1: My cheeks are actually sore from smiling for an hour
Speaker 1: and ten minutes. Whatever that was. That was ridiculously fun.
Speaker 1: Thank you for me that happened, Michael, Yea, it was great. Yuh.
Speaker 1: He was a good guy. And uh, he actually is
Speaker 1: very self aware. How he described his golf game really
Speaker 1: is how he plays, and he does try to catch
Speaker 1: it on the upswing every every club he tries to
Speaker 1: catch on the upswing and it goes very low. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well he clearly loves it. Um thing wrong. He loves it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, that was I mean, well, well, we'll huddle
Speaker 1: up with our our editor, Jake Muldowney exactly what's going
Speaker 1: to make the final cut, because it was he worked
Speaker 1: a little blue, but you know that's part of the fun.
Speaker 1: We're all adults here. I think it's all gonna stage
Speaker 1: Jake whatever you're discomfort level maybe, but yeah, that was
Speaker 1: that was great stuff. All Right, we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: end this podcast. Um. Jake said I should ask him
Speaker 1: about red Oaks, his show, and I forgot. It was
Speaker 1: in my head the whole time and I never got there.
Speaker 1: But Jake, I'm gonna have an answer for you. Rich
Speaker 1: Kind was on a show called red Oaks. It was
Speaker 1: said at a country club I think in suburban New York,
Speaker 1: and Jake did remind me of it, and I am
Speaker 1: aware of it, and I'm sorry I didn't get to it,
Speaker 1: but I will get you an answer. All right, we've
Speaker 1: been Jeff go here. Yeah yeah, so um, this was
Speaker 1: the need of fourth podcast. Thank you for listening. We
Speaker 1: have a lot of fun guests lined up, so h
Speaker 1: for Jeff Ogilvie, Michael Bamberger, Richard Kind, I'm Alan Schipnuk.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, and we'll do it again soon. Mm
Speaker 1: hmmm mm hm. Oh my god. It's a dangerous group
Speaker 1: here