WEBVTT - Need A 4th?! Ep. 8 with Actor/Comedian Richard Kind 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:09.680 Golf. Is that they anything in golf that doesn't change, 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:12.200 anything that changes the best in playing? Is this man 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:14.920 a one time winner on the PGA Tour. The point 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:20.560 Alan is he didn't go Hollywood. You need a fourth. 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:23.880 So I think we can all agree that Echo golf 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:27.080 shoes changed the game. When Fred Couples rolled up wearing 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.120 them without socks, it spoke to their comfort and just 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.839 sort of that that effortless cool. But you have an 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:35.080 Arnold Palmer story I want to hear right. Let let's see. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.400 Have I ever told you about my last visit with Arnold? 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:39.839 I saw Arnold. I would like to think no reporters 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:41.720 or Arnold more than I did when he was in 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:44.240 his eighties. My last visit with him was in Latrobe, 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.639 and I drove there wearing these pathetic birken stocks when 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:49.559 I got always I'll just wear my shoes when I 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:51.360 get there. But when I got there, all I had 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.600 was my Echo golf shoes. And Arnold's really formal, and 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:56.920 I'm going into his office with my cleaned up Echo 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.400 golf shoes and almost like checking me out, And he's nodding, 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:01.120 and I said, what you're looking at my socks? And 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:03.480 these armods like, no, I'm looking at your shoes, And 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:05.759 then Arnold talked about all the different shoes he wore 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:09.040 and no questioner, Arnold Doug the Echo shoe. I love 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:11.600 the Echo Show. I know you do too. Uh. It's 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:16.800 a great shoe sales resistant. If it's good enough for 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:19.200 Arnold Palmerton, Fred Couples, it's good enough for the rest 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:22.160 of you. So go to Echo dot com and um 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:24.039 you can find one that fits that you like that 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:27.039 people will stare at, like Arnie. So back to Need 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.080 a Fourth al Right, Hello, this is Alan Chipknuck back 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:33.680 for another Need of Fourth podcast. As you know by now, 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.040 this is the podcast in which myself, Jeff Ogilvie, and 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:42.520 Michael Bamberger take turns surprising each other with with eclectic guests. Michael, 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:47.080 you brought our our unnamed unknown guests aboard for this episode. 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:49.640 Tell tell us a little bit about him. But he's 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:53.880 the star of stage and screen. He's Larry David's cousin 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.680 in real life and on the show. That's a lot 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:02.080 of something a lot of people don't know. Oh wow, well, 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:05.200 I mean there's so many people who go in and 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.960 out of out of curb. Give us a little more, 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:14.680 a little more health here. Uh he plays a lake side. Jeff, 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.760 have you ever played lake side? I haven't played legside. 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:21.799 I hear it's great though. It is so funny. Yeah. Wait, 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.760 I was just there not too long ago. Um, did 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:26.400 you happen? Did you happen to see a star of 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:31.160 stage and screened? Um? Who's Larry David cousin? And both 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:35.160 in real life and on a TV show? I didn't, 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.160 but I think I saw his locker. Would it be 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.919 would it be rich Kind? Yep? One and only rich 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:44.760 come on coming all down? How about his cousin of 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.640 real life? Well, for the purpose of this show, you 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:55.240 are rich. We just stuff up, just go with it. Yeah, now, 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:59.160 how rich? How exactly are you guys related? Are your 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:03.120 brothers fathers or how does that work? It works if 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:09.239 lineage takes you through your family. There was no lineage. 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:12.680 My parents didn't even stop at the same Delhi that 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.919 he did. That his parents and I have not. I've 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.200 never met him. I don't know him. We played cousins 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:22.079 on the show. Okay, for those who don't know rich 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.880 Kind is a long time Everyone knows rich Kind because 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.360 he's got a face that literally millions of people know 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:32.040 Rich played. Okay, Rich though you you take over? Go ahead. Well, 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:35.120 the thing is, are people seeing my face here or 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:39.720 are they only hearing seeing you? Absolutely? Yeah? Oh do 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.200 you know who I am? If you see my face, 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:46.000 it's oh him, that's that's Oh does he owe me 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:51.040 money high school? Oh? I like him with with with respect, 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.280 which I think your voice may give you away as well. 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:58.640 It does Sometimes people people will will say that they 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.240 hear me on the street and it's not my face 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.360 that stops them, it's my voice and they turn around. Rich, 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.600 I understand you played golf today. Where where'd you play? 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.520 Who'd you played with? And how'd you go? I will 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.760 tell you I played in a place called I Can 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.599 Go Across. Yes, you know what, Michael, I've heard of it, 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.280 but I don't know it. I didn't know how to 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:23.400 pronounce it until just now. Okay, ibs the man writes 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:28.719 for a living and cannot put I B I S together. Okay, Uh, 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:33.080 this is okay. My dad was a retailer. He had 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:38.600 a retail store in Brixton. So Christmas when all the 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:42.240 Jews go down to Florida, hold it, hold it, hold it, 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:47.839 hold it. Rich, You're you're Jewish, according to Larry David. 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:53.520 According to his parents, I'm Jewish. So when now you 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.680 want to come down to Florida. We never did because 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.239 my dad had to be in at the store because 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.720 it's Christmas time. Uh yeah, told me story that was there, 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:05.680 you know, the big time. So I never came to 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:09.600 the state of Florida until I was twenty three years old. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:14.280 So I don't know Florida at all, and I know 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.279 the people retire here and everything. I have a friend 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:21.800 who belongs to a course in uh in Naples and 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.880 now my friends. Now I've come into sight through ibis. 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:31.159 How much do I want to retire? It's unbelievable the 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:35.360 life of retirement. You play golf every day. However, I 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:39.640 like acting better. Do I like acting better? There was 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:42.000 a time when I liked acting better than golf. I 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.800 don't know whether or not. I love acting. And I 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:48.599 have a great job on my show on CBS on 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.640 Sunday nights called East New York, and I play a 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:53.920 cop and I'm not funny on the show, but it's 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:57.719 a great, great show. And I can't believe at my age, 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.920 with my sort of comic resume, I get to play 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:05.200 a cop. It's fantastic. So that's what I get to do. 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:08.360 And your producers are pretty serious golfer as well. Mike 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:13.440 our friend Mike Robin. Yes, Mike Robin, Yes, I thought, yes, 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.480 Mike Robin. And not only a serious colfer, a pretty 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:19.200 great golfer. I think he played for University of Texas 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:21.400 and correct, no, I played for the University of Miami 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:28.599 in the Nathaniel Crosby era. Okay, yeah, he's a great, 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:33.000 great golfer. Oh so beautiful and belongs to the best clubs. 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.120 He's everything and the nice guy. But you know why 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:39.880 he's also nice. The guy is unflappable, unflappable. If he 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.520 gets angry, you would never know it. Rich, I would 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:44.800 like to remind you that Jeff Ogilvie is part of 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:48.680 this conversation. He wanted you, he wanted US Open. So 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.400 when you say that Mike Robin, who's a wonderful golfer, 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.960 is a very great golfer, where does that leave a 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:57.040 Jeff Ogilvie who's one of the US Open. How many 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:01.719 various are you going to use for him? Oh? Okay, 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.719 you want to know something when you play with a 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:12.080 professional golfer and you say, wow, great shot. You just 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.680 get tired of it. They don't need to hear it. 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:18.240 They know it. They step up to the ball and 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.720 they know before they even hit it that the words 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:27.640 great shots will be accompanying their swing. And I'm ature golfer, 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:32.360 a very good golfer would like to hear it. It's 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:34.960 like I was at the range the other day, about 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.800 a month ago and taking a lesson that always with 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.760 one of the pros from Lake Side, and there must 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:44.920 have been guys all hitting balls, and there was one 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:50.040 woman college golfer on the range and he turns to 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.920 be goes not at least one person knows how to 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.480 hit the ball at this range, that college golfer, that 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:00.200 female knows how to hit the ball. Everybody play he's 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:05.320 pretty well, and you go, wow, nice shot. Only one 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.240 does that make sense? That makes rich. I'm gonna I'm 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:09.720 gonna get out of the way here. I'm gonna pose 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.200 one question for you, for you to ask a question 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.880 you've got. Jeff og will be here. We all struggle 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.320 different parts of the game. Jeff. We had Ben Crenshaw 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:22.160 on and Jeff asked Ben Crenshaw about putting Rich. Here's 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:25.320 your opportunity, get a swing tip or a golf tip 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.200 from Jeff Ogilvy, and then I'm going to turn over 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:33.400 to those guys let takeover. I well, jeez, there's so 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:37.000 many the minute that you open that floodgate, there's so 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:45.160 many things. How do I stop swaying over the ball. 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.480 What is the best way to think of that? Because 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:50.640 I'm trying to take it back. Of course I'm old. 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.480 Of course I'm not an athlete, and I'm taking up. 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.560 I'm doing everything I can to slowly take it back, 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:02.880 and yet I'm falling back, and I am swaying so 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:06.520 that to get back, and I'm keeping my back behind, 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.080 but it's at the wrong place behind. How do I 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:15.160 stop from that little sway? Because even that three degrees 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:21.880 of swaying will affect everything you you know, I don't 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:25.320 know if you can answer that. Um you sell a 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.480 book helping people do that. I don't know. I think 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:30.840 I know how to do it. I think most people's 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.520 concept is wrong. Like most people are trying to hit 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.280 up on the ball. You might be somewhere inside deep 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.800 in your concept thinking the club has to be going 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:42.280 up to hit the ball rather than down, and it 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.320 has to be going down because the grounds under the ball, 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:50.600 you know, and I think all they which okay, if 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:54.640 you're supposed to swing out to uh, you know, do 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:01.199 the great field, how can you swing out while swinging down? 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:08.000 It's an optical illusion. I understand it's an optical illusion. 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.120 But you're trying to sweep out to the the right field 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:16.240 and hit down on the ground. I wouldn't focus more 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:20.320 on the down. This is this is fruitless, Jeff? What 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:29.320 that kind of champion? That are you? How many through? Um? Well, 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:31.240 I'm going to give you an image that might help 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.720 you to reduce your swinging. I want you to imagine 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.280 that you've swallowed a giant rebar. It's gone down through 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.480 your entire body cavity into the ground, and therefore you 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.839 can only turn around this piece of steel that's gone 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.000 through your entire soul and it's it's right through the 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.880 crack of my ass. I mean I was gonna leave. 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:54.360 I'm saying I'm turning on a maple. Yes right. I 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:56.319 don't know if Jeff endorses that, but that might help 0:10:56.360 --> 0:11:00.760 you because I've thought about that and did it help you? Yeah, 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.120 it didn't really help me, but it's it's a horrifying 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.760 I coached um girls high school basketball, and I'm always 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.600 trying to stress the importance of keeping your pivot foot down. 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.160 And I always say, pretend this giant rusty nail went 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:15.199 right through your shoe, right through your foot into the hardwood. 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.240 You cannot move your pivot foot and it always horrifies them, 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.400 but it actually works. They've never forgotten that, so I 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:25.800 think the same principle applies. Okay, all right, that that's 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.120 a good answer. I try and do that, you know, 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.480 sitting on the bar stool with that oh going through 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:38.600 my body. I do that. The second thing, I try 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:42.120 and extend my left leg, straighten it out. Am I correct? 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:47.360 At what pot in your swing? Okay, I'm gonna have 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:51.520 to stand up to do it. I go back. I 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:55.920 down on my left And then they say, they say, 0:11:56.000 --> 0:12:00.520 doing this, Am I correct with this? Yeah? It'll strident? Absolutely? Yeah. 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.720 If I straighten, how do I still stay down While 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:10.640 I'm straightening the leg um? The hip supposed to go 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.880 left like her hips are turning. Like Alan said, if 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:15.920 you're on the rag like that, well, he wants me 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.720 to get my right hip back. So I do this, 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.560 so the right hip is going to go through because 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.000 I can't do anything, But how am I staying that? 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:29.360 Do I stay? Do I have my right n go down? 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:35.880 It's just these contract contra positions are confusing to me. 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.360 Does this make sense to you? If I am raising 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.720 my leg, I seem to be standing up. What is 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:48.040 the way that you stay down while still extending your 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.880 left leg? I think which is from Tom on the range? 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:58.280 I think we need to go to the drawing range. Okay, Jeff, 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.440 anything comes out of this, I'd like to go to 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.320 the rangion. The range is my favorite place. I I 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:08.960 sometimes like it more than the golf course, but not 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.720 the mats, because the mats make me a good player, 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.920 even when I suck, which I do all the time. 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:18.600 I love the range. The bad thing is I live 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.920 in New York and I had three children. And I 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:25.839 will tell you that that an urban area and three 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.520 children will ruin a golf game. Because I used to 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:31.400 be pretty good and then that came into my life. 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:36.000 And it just if you ever want to tell anybody, say, 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:41.000 don't have children and live close to a arriving range. 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.880 Of course, kids will ruin a golf game if you're 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.679 a good parent. If you're a good parent, kids will 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:53.240 ruin a golf game. It's about priorities. Rich, I mean, 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.760 I would say golf golf over parenting. Most of the 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.719 time you did it wrong. But um, I think I 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.640 speak for all the listeners when I say that Jeff 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:03.880 and Rich is the Buddy movie. We didn't know we needed. 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:11.480 Like we look like that, you guys a convertible driving 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:13.920 on the Southwest, like stopping and driving ranges like that. 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:16.720 That's two hours I would gladly spend twelve dollars on 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:21.120 right there. Yeah, I I The bad thing is I 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.360 am truly a student of the game, and I like 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.600 It's not that I like changing. I like adding things 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.880 to my game, whereas I wish I could take the 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:37.600 advice of step up and just hit the ball. However, 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:43.760 I haven't played much since Thanksgiving, this being January or 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.640 something like that. Maybe I've played two or three times. 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:49.920 I know what's in my head when I have to 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:54.920 work on. I played the last two days. I was 0:14:55.040 --> 0:15:00.600 so bad, it's horrible. Finally today I started doing things right. 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:06.840 I started swinging out and yet coming around, which is 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.560 so interesting to me. And sometimes you know what I 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:16.880 found out today, truly what swinging easy means. I truly did. 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.840 I saw that that I was trying to extend and 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:23.960 that kept me stiff, and then just swinging easy and 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.680 being pretty. I think that that I know that that 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:30.280 sounds crazy. I think sometimes being pretty, trying to be 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:33.320 a ballet danswer, just trying to have a fluid motion 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:37.520 as opposed to doing things right, I think sometimes helps 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.560 Am I just out of my mind? No? I think 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.600 that's uh. The secret is not caring if you miss. 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:49.400 You know, all these tensions and all these little tighten 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:51.160 ups and stuff we do on our dan swings and 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.160 our swing it's also oh my god, don't go right, 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:54.800 don't go right, don't go right, don't go right, or 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.600 don't go left. We're trying to not do something as 0:15:57.600 --> 0:15:59.640 opposed to just be free. Like a kid when he 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:01.160 hits a bowl, you give him a stick, ands I 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:02.680 hit this bowl over there, and I just woke up 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.680 and hit the bowl over there. They're not trying to 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.680 hit it bad, right, So it's it's trying to find 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:11.560 your way back to your childlike head space. Somehow. This 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:15.280 is really how all the best advice is learn while 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.920 you're young, because then the club head is stronger than 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:22.400 your arms. Now, my arms are stronger than the weight 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.760 of the club head. So I try and take my 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.040 club head to wear it belongs. Whereas if you're six 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.560 years old, you can't. You can do nothing but swing 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:35.280 the club head correctly because it's you can't control it. 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:41.640 I I now look. The question that I really want 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.960 to ask, that everybody wants to ask, but I will 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:49.360 not get an answer, is why am I strong? Why 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:55.480 does it sound great? Why is everything moving correctly? And 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.360 my the ball does not go as far as I want. 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.239 It's a mystery. We have to go to a driving right. 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.480 You might be missing the sweet spot. If you miss it, 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:13.320 you know I'm alan I'm giving the sweet spot. Oh 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:20.399 I'm telling you. The ball goes exactly correctly, and I 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:25.040 just end up twenty to thirty yards behind the next guy. 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:28.240 I just do. I just do. And I know you 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.919 lose three yards for every year that you you know, 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:35.280 as you grow older. But I should not be hitting 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:38.600 it as short as I am. And I'm hitting it. 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.800 It sounds great, it looks great. I was with a 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.480 force of this morning. I didn't know anybody, and they're going, oh, 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.320 you're pretty great. Oh you go, what beautiful golf swing? 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:52.560 I don't. However, for these guys, and they're pretty good. 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:56.320 They were single digits proud of my golf swing. It 0:17:56.440 --> 0:18:00.159 just it kills me. It's just upsetting. It was the 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.280 last time you've got a new driver, and where you 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:07.120 custom fit for it. It's it's all, okay, well let's 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:11.200 not go there. Because they're gorgeous clubs and they're great. 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:15.119 I I can hit them well, they were customed in. 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.960 Do you really believe the custom fitting makes that big 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:24.600 a difference? I do. I mean, you know. Then let 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:26.800 me ask you something, because I think this is interesting. 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:30.960 Your custom fit for golf clubs and then you completely 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:34.840 change your swing. The feature tells you, what do you do? 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:39.080 Get fit again? So you have to get fit again? 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:41.359 But how how much are you changing your golf swing 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:43.080 at this point in your life? I mean, what you think? 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:48.040 It's a change? Interesting? Alan, I changed it dramatically. Sounds 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:55.600 like it changes dilate there it changes from hold to hold. Yeah. No, 0:18:55.800 --> 0:19:02.760 I have truly truly changed it dramatic, dramatically. I am 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:07.040 using much more of my arms than I am when 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.960 I was learned when I was young to use your body. 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:12.600 He you know, he just says, look when you throw 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:15.399 a ball, you know, you don't think of, oh my gosh, 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.200 how did I just you know, switch and where where 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.840 did they go? You throw the ball and your body follows. 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:25.520 So he has me dropping the club and then swinging 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.800 out you like. That's that's where you lost thirty yards. 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.960 You've got this hand zy arms, flippy swing. You gotta 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:33.879 use the big muscles. You gotta turn. That's where the 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.439 speed is. Am I right? Jack saying that they that 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:43.000 they come into they they come into play without your 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:46.240 even question. Again, you can't even you don't even think 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:50.040 about it, which is what? Which is why you can 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.920 find another one. That's my advice. He's great. I'm hitting 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:56.320 the ball really well. I used to have a nice 0:19:56.440 --> 0:20:00.560 draw to the ball. I don't anymore. But you know, 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:05.280 oh god, he's he's a great teacher. He's tremendous. And 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.800 uh but he cost you thirty yards? How great can 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:09.640 he be? You just lost thirty yards because the teacher. 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.600 I don't know. I'm hitting this the same distance I've 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.280 always done this. I was. I think part of it 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.479 is is I'm trying to hit the ball, you know, 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:23.040 with with this whereas I used to cop uh, So 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.280 that is one thing that he has taught, so I'm 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:29.040 consistent with that. But I I used to scoop. He 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:34.320 has got me. I just need lesson after lesson and 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.120 driving ranging after driving rage. And I got to join 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:39.520 a golf club in New York. I never belonged to 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:41.119 golf club in New York, and that's where I live. 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:45.080 I belonged to a great course out in l A. Regularities, 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:50.600 the sacred, absolutely absolutely consistency. Just do it all the time. 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:55.000 Um So outside of the standard of your game was 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:57.200 if I replace as you played? Have you played everywhere 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.560 around the world or around the country, Jeff, I honestly have. 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:05.520 I've been very I am a blessed, blessed man. I 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:08.520 will tell you that one of my favorite places Michael 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:12.000 has taken the bill and he remembers it Pine Valley. 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:18.159 I just love Pine Valley. Uh. My favorite place to 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:23.159 play in the world is Rivieria. It's my favorite and 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:26.479 I play well there all the time. I don't know 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:30.440 why I always break ninety there, it's I just play 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:39.200 well there. Um Uh. What I loved well. Castle Stewart 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:44.200 in Scotland has great memories for me, and the one 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:47.000 that's right by the railroad tracks in Scotland. You get 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:51.800 off the train and you're right there. Prestwick's at Prestwix 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:54.440 on a try and train. Lots of them are on 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:57.800 a try and actually stand. But I mean you step 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:00.480 off and you're in the clubhouse. Do you know which 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:05.919 one you know? Well, you shouldn't have it. Sounds like 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:09.080 Prestwick was the first hole totally blind to no fairway. 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.840 You can only hit like a seven iron off the team. 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:18.160 I don't remember. It was so many years ago. It's just, um, 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:22.360 I really do love I mean, I'm uh, are you 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:27.560 are you? Have you played the Discovery Properties? I've played 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:35.000 a few of them? Um, what's that one? Great fun? Yeah? 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:37.280 And I love I love the Eldorado And I've been 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:39.720 lucky enough to play that a few times because I 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:42.080 have a few friends who belong there and I'm a 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:45.200 good friend with Mike Melbin. So I've been a very 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:48.760 very lucky recipient of some of those. Oh the one 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:51.679 that that that's in um is a quarter lane? Is 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:56.280 that the quartelines? That plan? Yeah, that's just that is stunning. 0:22:57.000 --> 0:23:02.240 And I stopic trip. He has not nenna do with golf, 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:05.360 but I went took a trip with my family and 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:08.320 we were going to Bryce Canyon and my son didn't 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:12.520 want to take take the hike, and I said, Max, 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:16.680 there is no more beautiful place on the earth than 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:19.919 where we are right now, and he goes, Dad, you know, 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:22.639 I'm not a fan of scene of me, and that 0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:26.880 just always made me lab But that course in Cord 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:31.560 Lane is just as scenic of places you'll ever play. 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:34.520 But all of its courses are they're they're just they're beautiful. 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:39.840 Um So I do like that where else? And I, um, 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:46.359 you know that I've never been to Hilton Man where else. Okay, 0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:49.639 I'm gonna tell you. I think Pebble is great. I mean, 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:53.760 Pebble is just fantastic. And I refused to play there 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:56.880 unless I'm taken there. I think that the how they 0:23:57.000 --> 0:24:02.440 overcharge that ruins around the golf for me, that's that's 0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:05.119 somebody with a big swagger saying, hey, look at me, 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:08.000 We'll charge is six around and you gotta pay a 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:10.360 caddy and that's and you gotta stay in our hotel. 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:15.000 It's enough that this is an elite sport, but when 0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:17.200 you wear it on your sleeve like that, I think 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:21.960 it's disgraceful. I just do you prefer like humble municipal 0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:28.480 courses like Riviera? I get it, but there are great 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:32.720 municipal courses mont Talk Downs. I love the one up 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:36.080 north nearest Sanders Abispo and all of the there's a 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:39.359 beautiful one. I can't remember names. My Beth, Beth Pipe, 0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:45.280 Black Breaker, Beth, all of those and you know something else, Beth. 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:49.440 They're all great at Beth Page, the Red, the Armored. 0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:52.119 Do you agree with that? I mean, yes, Beth Page, 0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:56.560 Black phenomenal, but they all are, and they're all difficult 0:24:56.600 --> 0:25:01.480