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Speaker 1: So I think we can all agree that Echo golf

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Speaker 1: Have I ever told you about my last visit with Arnold?

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Speaker 1: and I drove there wearing these pathetic birken stocks when

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Speaker 1: a Fourth al Right, Hello, this is Alan Chipknuck back

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Speaker 1: for another Need of Fourth podcast. As you know by now,

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Speaker 1: this is the podcast in which myself, Jeff Ogilvie, and

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Speaker 1: That's smart, I don't think. I think I'll tell you who.

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Speaker 1: I played very well with um Um French Scoffer. What's

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Speaker 1: his name? No, No, No, he's not French. He's uh

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Speaker 1: oh skinny. Oh what's his name? Lovely guy? I played

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Speaker 1: at that I think of the hope with him, and

427
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: he was playing so poorly and I was playing so well.

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00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: He forgot his game and he just kept coaching me.

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Speaker 1: Um um um Oh, he's such a lovely man. Maybe

430
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Speaker 1: Sweetish would help um Um Patterson No, no, no, they

431
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Speaker 1: said Finn thing sorry. Robert Carlson, No a funny French name.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know exactly. I am such a

433
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: bad interview because I bring up stories and people and

434
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: I go, oh, you know who it is? Uh? Rich Rich,

435
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Speaker 1: have you kept up your membership at Lakeside? I have?

436
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: For those who don't know, lake Side, it's an old

437
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: timey Hollywood hang out. Bing Cross Bebley was a member there.

438
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Speaker 1: I think Bob Hope was, remember there, Rich, that's I

439
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: think Rossy was club champion for many years. Uh. It's

440
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: a it was the you know, they did not let

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Speaker 1: actors into l a country club, so the actors had

442
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: to uh create their own club and they did in

443
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: the valley. Uh. And this is uh Bob Hope being clubby.

444
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: But I mean people like Johnny Weiss Mueller, Oliver Hardy, Uh,

445
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: William Frawley for my love Lucy, Humphrey Bogart. Uh are

446
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: we allowed the curse on this show? Okay? I I

447
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: mean I I uh uh if if. Some of the

448
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: legendary stories is that Humphrey Bogart uh came up to

449
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: the to the starter and said, is anybody going out?

450
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: And they go Bill Fields is going out? W C. Fields.

451
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: He's on the first team. So Humphrey Bogart comes up.

452
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: He goes, uh, listen, if you mind if I join you,

453
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: and supposedly W. C. Field says, if I wanted to

454
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: play with my dick, I go home and to play

455
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: with that dick. I go home and play with myself.

456
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: That's what he said to hum Boger. Um Forest Tucker,

457
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Speaker 1: who was can I tell all these stories that are

458
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: legendary about lead side? Okay, they're much more interesting about

459
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: where than where I played? Um? Uh. Forest Tucker was

460
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: supposed to be very very well endowed and he was

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Speaker 1: a member of If you don't know who Farest Tucker is,

462
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: he was the captain in uh F Troop and he

463
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: was very very well hung and supposedly he had a

464
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Speaker 1: putt that they wouldn't give him. He said, really, you're

465
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: not giving me that put They don't know they what

466
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Speaker 1: do we want to see it? He goes, I could

467
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Speaker 1: put that in with my dick, at which point he

468
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 1: pulled out his dick and put it in that. That's

469
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: just in the podcast. Now. I don't think what can

470
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Speaker 1: you keep that in the podcast? I don't know the podcast. Jean,

471
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Speaker 1: what's his name? Jehan? John? No? No, no, he wears

472
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Speaker 1: he wears a hat to decide Jesus Jesper. Part of

473
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Speaker 1: it was playing so poorly that he like almost gave

474
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Speaker 1: up and just kept coaching me. I was really playing well,

475
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Speaker 1: So there are certain times. It was one of those

476
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Speaker 1: days to play well. I played well with Rich Beam.

477
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: I had played with Rich just after he won the Open,

478
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Speaker 1: and uh Andy I happened to have played with him,

479
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Speaker 1: played very well. There are times when I play well,

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Speaker 1: but these are years ago. These three years ago, I

481
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Speaker 1: trying to have some fun. We also have to pay

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Speaker 1: the bills here at the fire Pit Collective. So back

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Speaker 1: to Nita fourth. Michael completely punted on giving a scouting

498
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Speaker 1: report in your game. So what is what's the lowest

499
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Speaker 1: pit index ever? Did you ask Freddy Couples about my game?

500
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Speaker 1: He doesn't remember my game. I think he wouldn't remember

501
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: my thing. I think Fred's precise words were how old

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Speaker 1: is Rich? And I said he's forty nine and a half.

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Speaker 1: Fred said, good, six months. If you can get himself

504
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Speaker 1: to the range, I think he can make it on

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Speaker 1: the Senior Tour. I believe that's what he said. You're

506
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Speaker 1: recycling your stories. You know. Fred doesn't have any original thoughts.

507
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: He just repeats whatever David says. Here's here's Rich's game.

508
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Speaker 1: And Jeff brings up a lot of tennis analogies. He'll

509
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Speaker 1: especially appreciate this. You know, guys who take you know,

510
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: they want you to take the ball when it's high,

511
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: but some guys wait for it to go down and

512
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: then they get low and they come up on it

513
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: and they turn it over and it doesn't have great velocity,

514
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: and it's about a yard or two over the net.

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00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: But it's deep. It's deep, and it's heavy. That's rich

516
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: with fourteen clubs including ter. It's deep and it's heavy,

517
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: it's in play. He's got actually a beautiful rhythm. His question,

518
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Speaker 1: which I would love to ask the same question of Jeff,

519
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: is a very telling one because it shows a level

520
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: of self awareness, which is so important, of course in life,

521
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: but let's forget about life. Engulf self awareness is so important.

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00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: He moves considerably off the ball, as do I. It's

523
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: very rhythmic, and it's it's kind of flat for a

524
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: big tall man and it and it doesn't go very high,

525
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: and it goes far in the ground and it's deep.

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00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: So it's a very effective game. And you could absolutely

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Speaker 1: bring rich anywhere, which I'm surprised you don't play in

528
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Speaker 1: the A T and T Tournament, the Pebble Beach pro Am,

529
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Speaker 1: because you'd be perfect for that, thank you. I was

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Speaker 1: asked once and I turned it down because I had

531
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: an opportunity to be in a movie with Alan Arkin,

532
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: and I was going to do scenes with Alan Arkin,

533
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Speaker 1: and that's what I chose. To do. He made a

534
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: bad decision. But that's okayision. I would love to play

535
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Speaker 1: in the A T and T. I would kill the player. Okay,

536
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: here's a story. Back in the day when I was

537
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: a decent player, I won the Bing Crosby. How about

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Speaker 1: that for my resume. We don't really rich. If I may,

539
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: we don't know what you're talking about. I won. I

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00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: won the Big Crosby Championship. Here's oh Bing Crosby tournament

541
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: was started at Lakeside. It was the clam Bake. They

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Speaker 1: got all the talent that was at Lakeside when he

543
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: was in his prime, and they all performed. They moved

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Speaker 1: it up the Pebble Beach and put bing Crosby's name

545
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Speaker 1: on it. In his will, bing Crosby said, this tournament

546
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: can never go corporate. Well, we know that the world

547
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: has changed and they could not afford to keep it

548
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 1: without a corporate sponsor. A T and T took it over,

549
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: but in his will they were not allowed to call

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Speaker 1: it the bing Crosby A T and T. It was

551
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: called the A T, A T and T. So they

552
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: took the bing Crosby to South Carolina? Am I correct?

553
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: Is that? What if there there there's a tournament. Sarah

554
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: Lee was the sponsor, but it was the It was

555
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: the Bing Crosby. None of them sounds correct, but keep going, no, no, no,

556
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Speaker 1: this is correct. On what I'm telling you was the truth.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe there were any professional golfers, but there was.

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Speaker 1: It was still a charity event called the Bing Crosby.

559
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: You got paired up, a celebrity got paired up with

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00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: either somebody who were bought in or a Sarahly executive,

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Speaker 1: of which I did, and the two of us want it,

562
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: and we split a hundred and twenty thousand dollars to

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00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: uh to donate to different charities. Alan, you want to

564
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Speaker 1: hear a shocker. It's totally correct. Uh, there are the

565
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: rich one second, Alan, there are many threads that are

566
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Speaker 1: wildly off, but the big picture is correct. In eighties,

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Speaker 1: six mrs after Bing died. Ding Bing died in about

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Speaker 1: seventy four, Being was dead and Mrs Crosby do you

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Speaker 1: remember her name? Rich Mary Katherine not married? She she

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Speaker 1: She and Nathalie took the event to South Carolina for

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00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: a or too, and I think they did call it

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00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: the Being Crosby. I think longer than two years. It

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00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: was for a few years. Sarahly was the sponsor. That's true.

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00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: And you don't need any money, and I have I

575
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: wanted I did. I wanted it city that people kept

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00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: coming up to me, Oh, don't give give some money

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00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: to my charity. And I mean it was like a

578
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: lottery winner. You don't want to be a lottery winner. Okay,

579
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Speaker 1: you want to hear. You want to hear golf story.

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00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: You're not gonna want to hear. I'm playing Sherwood, of

581
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: which Sean Connery belonged to Sherwood. Sean Connery comes up

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00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: behind us. You know we're gonna let him play through.

583
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Speaker 1: He's a member when he's Sean Connery, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: let him play through. I hit a ball to the right.

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Speaker 1: There's water like a creek along on the right to

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Speaker 1: par five. I push the ball to the right. Up

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Speaker 1: comes Sean Connery. Sean Connery really pushes it to the

588
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: right into the water. We don't say anything. He goes

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00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: up because up ahead it's a ball. Keeps playing. I

590
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: go up. My ball isn't there. I look in the water.

591
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: There's a Sherwood ball. I don't have a Sherwood ball.

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00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: That's right where his ball would have been. He hit

593
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: mine and he pulled the gold finger. And I tell

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Speaker 1: my son, I tell my son this story. I say, Honey,

595
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: you never ever cheat. Because Sean Connery does not remember

596
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: that shot, that whole that round of golf. It means

597
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: nothing to him, and yet his cheating will be remembered

598
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. I played at bel

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Speaker 1: Air Country Club right in front of James Gardner who

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Speaker 1: was a member, and um, Michael, Michael, do you remember

601
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: our our editor friend Greg Kelly Sports Illustrated. He was

602
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: a very deliberate golfer, and um, and James Gardner was

603
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: was not happy. And we probably played in four hours

604
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: and fifteen. We were not horribly slow, but it was

605
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: slower than he wanted. And um, he was writing our

606
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: ass the entire round. And finally on eighteen he hit

607
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: into us and like stormed up and I'll never I'll

608
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Speaker 1: never watch another James Gardner show on re run after that. Yes,

609
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: so these these things have lasting repercussions. I'll tell you

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00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: that you were probably planning to slow. My point is,

611
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: why will he should have taken action sooner? We would

612
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: let him play through, But he just was just this

613
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: brooding presence behind us the whole the whole time. Anyway, Well,

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Speaker 1: I've got I've got two things to say. Alan. Number One,

615
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: there is nothing bad about letting somebody go through. Ever,

616
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Speaker 1: even if you're playing quickly. If somebody's playing quicker or

617
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: wants to come through, what the hell you're talking about

618
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: four to six minutes of your life let them go through.

619
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Speaker 1: It doesn't, it's not. It's nothing bad. And the second

620
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: thing is, I would rather play even if I'm not

621
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Speaker 1: playing leisurely, even if I'm playing quickly. I don't want

622
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: anybody on my tail ever, ever, ever, ever on my

623
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: tail that makes me feel upset. And you know it's

624
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 1: it's like I don't want anybody throwing clubs. Not because

625
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: of that, is because, especially if I'm gambling, if somebody's unhappy,

626
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm such an empathetic person. I'm gonna want that person

627
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: to win because he's so upset, even though I'm gonna

628
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: lose money. So I said to play for some money.

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Speaker 1: Now you've given us that. Oh yeah, yeah, but you

630
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: don't throw clubs. Do you have you ever thrown a club? Jeff?

631
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Speaker 1: Maybe you really? Have you ever thrown a club? Well?

632
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: You played for a long time and you care about

633
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: what you do. Yeah, it happens. I didn't say you

634
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: didn't get upset. I'm not saying you didn't pound a

635
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: club into the ground. I said, did you ever throw

636
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 1: a club? It's happened. I'm not proud of it. Sometimes

637
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: you stick them on your grips, you know, sometimes your

638
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: grips get slippery. Did you ever do it at a tournament?

639
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: What we have to define what a throw is? I

640
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: think it's a it's a frisbee. It's never gone more

641
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: than five yards, probably, but sometimes it needs to get

642
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: back to the you've flipped it, somebody trying to throw

643
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: and a toss, yeah flip, Yeah, you've it. No, I've

644
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: said I throw a club. Golf is a gentleman's game,

645
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: and that's why you let people go through. I'm sorry,

646
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: you can't act like a gentleman. I can go through.

647
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: You want to be an asshole, You be an asshole.

648
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 1: Here's the red carpet, go on through. That's just how

649
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: I play. There's nothing more fun than watching someone employed

650
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: on the golf course side nothing I agree with that.

651
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: I agree with that. The only way that I let

652
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: them throw a club is I will then go, I

653
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: got you right where I want to. You're gonna lose

654
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: so much fucking money. I'm going to wring my hands

655
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: at the end. Yes, Michael, I have never met a

656
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: golfer who has not thrown the club at some point

657
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: in their life. If, if, if, and if you are

658
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: that golfer, I standing off, standing off, I will never

659
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: throw a golf club. I will put it down, I

660
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: will go, oh my god, and it will toss and

661
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: it will fall. But I'm talking about and throw it

662
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: and it. I had one last year where I was

663
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: a short part five and I hit it well and

664
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: Baul sitting up in the left rough and I thought

665
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: I could get home with a hybrid, and the three

666
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: other guys were on the far right, and it's just perfect. Uh,

667
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: it's inviting. It's like sitting on a tea. And I

668
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: whipped and I topped it and went into the lake

669
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: and I threw that club as far as I possibly could.

670
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: While that club was in the air, my first low was,

671
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: oh fuck, now the balls in the water and the

672
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: club is to The second thought is do not make

673
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: any eye contact, because then for sure you're caught. Anyway,

674
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: was in the water club was not but that was

675
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: only that that was only last year at six one.

676
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: So and so you will you've thrown and you are

677
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: a very even field man. We all lose it. I've heard.

678
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: I've heard it's difficult to throw them straight to I've

679
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 1: heard that is the guy who throws it. It hits

680
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: the tree and bounces back and hits him in the

681
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: head and kills him. Rich There there was a can

682
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: you help us out here? There was a thing very

683
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: well Matt Damon. There was a bit about Matt Damon

684
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: and something in d c its on the internet. Can

685
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: you fill us? And what is that whole thing about?

686
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: I will tell you, And then you're gonna ask me

687
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: to tell the story. I don't tell the story. Uh.

688
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: George Clooney is one of my best friends, and they're

689
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: an opportunity for personal reasons, came up where he had

690
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: to be my roommate for a couple of months, and

691
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: so he stayed in my apartment. While he lived in

692
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: my apartment, he uh did a practical joke and he

693
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: took a dump in my kitty little BOMs. Now that

694
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: is the shortened and very shortened of the story. I

695
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: don't tell the story. Anymore, Let's move on, which what

696
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: what can George? What can George shoot on a good day?

697
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: On a good day, he broke eighty at Sat Sherwood

698
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: years ago. He's a very good athlete. However, he and

699
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: he was a great baseball player. And as you know,

700
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,959
Speaker 1: a baseball players and ockey players can hit the ball.

701
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: But if he doesn't have the natural swing, and he

702
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to get there, because he doesn't know

703
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: the mechanics of a golf swing, those are mechanics of

704
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: a baseball bat. But if he doesn't know the mechanics

705
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: of a golf swing, and at is off kilter, and there,

706
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, you're just a couple of degrees off taking

707
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: a backer coming in, you all shoot a hundred and twenty.

708
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: And he's somebody who used to get it. He's good

709
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: at everything. He's good at being good at everything. So

710
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: he's he's been touched by God. And he's a good athlete.

711
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: He's he's a good ping pound player and a tennis

712
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: player and a basketball player. But a golf we all know,

713
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: if you're not on, oh you are you off? And

714
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: he was off and he can get off. And he

715
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: used to throw the club and then he just realized,

716
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: as we all do, we're not good enough to warrant

717
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: being angry. It's just what we are, what we get it.

718
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: We can be upset, we can be really upset. And

719
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: now when I'm playing great, there's nobody you want to

720
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: play with other than me. If I'm playing great, and

721
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: if I'm playing poorly, just I'm just and I'm a

722
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: nice man, and just get out of my way. Just

723
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: shut off. So upset that I don't for a club, Jeff,

724
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: I don't rich. What can Larry David? What can Larry

725
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: David shoot on a good day? Okay, I gotta tell

726
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: you a couple of stories about Larry David. Number one,

727
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: I was at El Dorado, uh, playing with Larry. I

728
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: was one of those days where I was playing really well.

729
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: I would get in the card to go, oh my god,

730
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 1: just so good, Oh my god, you're such a good golfer.

731
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Just it made me laugh so hard

732
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: because that day I was a really good golfer and

733
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: he was playing fine. He wasn't playing badly. I was

734
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: playing magnificent. All the couple was going, oh my god,

735
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: you're so good, You're so good. I don't believe so

736
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: I played well that day. Uh, here is a great

737
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: story about Larry. You're all familiar with the Curb Your

738
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: Enthusiasm episode with the white swan. Right, yes, okay. In

739
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: the episode, we're filming it at Mountain Gate. There is

740
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: a hole there which, if you know Mountain Gate, you

741
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: hit straight out a drive. All you want is straight

742
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 1: and then all you want is straight to the left.

743
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: It is as right and it is as left angled

744
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: or right angled a hole as you could ever wish for.

745
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: You hit it there, You hit it there. Okay, it

746
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: is there, and there he's supposed to pull the golf

747
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: ball into the water where he goes down to retrieve

748
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: his ball, and there he gets attacked near the water

749
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: by a white swan. So what he was gonna do?

750
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: They turned the camera, the cameras behind him. When you

751
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: hit a golf ball, unless you're tracking it or you

752
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: have those special cameras that golf cameras are, you can

753
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: see where the golf ball is. He hits the ball

754
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: and they're gonna say, we just hit it three times,

755
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: and uh, we're not gonna yell cut just but just

756
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: get down hit three times. And after each shot we're

757
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: supposed to go oh you pull the Ahe what the same? Uh? Nice?

758
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: Try you pull the eye like that? He gets up

759
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: one A, two, no, three A. No camera cuts. Oh

760
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: my god, everyone straight, straight, straight. They must have been

761
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: within six inches of each other. It's because he had

762
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: no He didn't have to hit the ball. He was

763
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: supposed to hit the ball poorly, and so he was relaxed.

764
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: He was supposed to look like it was bad. He

765
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: swung perfectly. If that is not a lesson for this podcast,

766
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what is everyone. You couldn't go down

767
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: and place it in a more perfect spot? Three balls? Boom,

768
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: boom boom. Did you just talk to your wife? No,

769
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: Michael Bama, I did not talk to my wife. Now,

770
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: who are you talking? Who's more important than me right now?

771
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: Who could possibly be more important than your wife and me? Nobody?

772
00:48:55,040 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: Rich then you were talking like this, I saw you. Well,

773
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: we did um this morning. We did our our company zoom.

774
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: And you know, we've got a guy in Michigan who

775
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: snowed in here in here in California. It's quite chilly today.

776
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: And Michael turns his camera on and it's palm trees

777
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: and he's in shorts and a T shirt. He's glistening

778
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: in the sun, and I was like, wow, Philadelphia has

779
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: really changed. It's not what we remember. And so he's

780
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: been taking Trappel all day long. So are you are you?

781
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: Are you in in in uh Orlando? No, I'm in

782
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: North Palm Beach. I'm at a public golf course at

783
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: North Palm Beach. You're at Palm Beach. I'm in North

784
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: Palm Beach. I'm Beach. I know you are here in Boca.

785
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: I know. Oh my god, where were you playing? I

786
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: was just hitting balls at at a driving ranger. But

787
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: they have as they have a grass range, but unfortunately

788
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: on days you can only hit off the mats. I

789
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: have a question Saturday morning if I can get if

790
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: we need a fourth for a key time? Did you

791
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: say need a fourth? You're totally totally on brand. And

792
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 1: then I'm flying home to see that the your Eagles

793
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: lose to my giants. That will be very exciting for

794
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: one of us. All right, Alan, Alan, I'm gonna turn

795
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: this over to you. You do as you wish from

796
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: here on to the house. I don't want to I

797
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: don't want to tell you how good a golfer Larry is.

798
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: Larry like me. Whenever anybody asks what's my handicap? I say,

799
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: look at me, that's my hand again. Larry is a

800
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: very very good golfer. And if you want to talk

801
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: to him about anything, talk to him about his golf

802
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: swing and you will have his attention and you won't

803
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: have to worry about him being a curm Adrian. He

804
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: will talk golf for as long as you want. He

805
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: loves it. Okay, well, I think we just found another

806
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 1: guest for the needed fortune not getting. But he will talk.

807
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: It would be thrilled. I thought you were offering to

808
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: make it happen. Rich, aren't you gonna broker it? I

809
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: could text him and say you may have a good time.

810
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: You guys are all very nice, but I'm very forgiving.

811
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: What sport do you think? What? What athletes do you

812
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: think play the best? Golf? Hockey? Jeff? I couldn't agree

813
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: with you more definitely. I am astounded, astounded, and how

814
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: good they are? Astounded? I think are good. I think

815
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: ballplayers are good. For quarterbacks are good. The quarterbacks are

816
00:51:51,520 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: good quarterbacks, um Derrick Anderson, Um, yeah, but yeah. The

817
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: hockey players have got such a good move. Say they

818
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: hit down on it? Players are hitting down. You know,

819
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: they're not trying to get Underneathan Park there on top

820
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: of it, and they're smashing it into the os And

821
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: that's what I do with the bowl, and I hit

822
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: the bowl instantly. Welley players fantastic, but also their touched.

823
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: I was at a tournament in somewhere in California and

824
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: they had to hit over a branch, onto a tree,

825
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: I mean, onto a green. They were they were spectacular, spectacular.

826
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: Luckily I did it. I mean, but that's when I

827
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,919
Speaker 1: was good. Now it's you know, it would be under

828
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: the branch and across the green. It's just my my

829
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: chipping is just it's ten stokes, just ten strokes of

830
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: my game are because I scalded across and I think

831
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: I'm doing it right, and I think I'm doing it right,

832
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: and it's just upsets me, upsets me to nowhere. Um.

833
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: But I was a cart boy for three summers at

834
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach Golf Links and that's kind of where I

835
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: learned how to play golf. And the NHL Players Association

836
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: came out. They had some sort of boondoggle with a

837
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: bunch of the players and it was like eight am.

838
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: They all came the first t about twenty of them.

839
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: Everyone's drinking hard already, and Jeremy Roenick was the first

840
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: guy to hit. And if you know the first hole

841
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: at Pebble Beach, even though you don't like to pay

842
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: the greens feed there rich, but you may recall, it's

843
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 1: a it's a short dog leg part four. It's only

844
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: a hybrid, maybe a four iron. They weren't they weren't

845
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: even playing it. All the way back. He has his

846
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: driver and everyone's saying, so, that's too much club, there's

847
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: too much club. You can't driver here. He's like, no,

848
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna fade it around the corner and try

849
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: and hit it on the green. And he wound up

850
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: hitting it dead straight and it went over the bunker,

851
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: over the tree, and almost hit this house up on

852
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: the hill that's never been in play for any human being.

853
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: And I got and these guys fell down on the

854
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: t box. It's one of the most memorable golf swings

855
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. But oh, that that's all that. That's

856
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 1: like my club. If you know, uh, thirteen, uh, twelve

857
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: and thirteen are two very short par four's. Uh, And

858
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: so I said to the guests that I had put

859
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: your drive away. You don't want to hit driver. And

860
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: Uh anyway, we got to the vo which a butts

861
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: that thing, and the guy on the tee was hitting

862
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: a driver and he goes, well he's hitting the driver,

863
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 1: and go well, that guy's an idiot. And it was.

864
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: He's old time Australian. Uh goffer. Oh like, I can't

865
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: think of his name, but it was he was. He

866
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: was a world champion golfer. Hit degree with his driver.

867
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: So I can't think who it is. All I remember

868
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: is we've gotten a huge fight. Uh Democrat Republican. He

869
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: was a huge right winger. You know what I'm talking about, Jeff.

870
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: It could be he could be. You're right, I know

871
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: I I got. I got the huge fights with GWayne

872
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: Gretzky over all of that stuff. So look, I stick

873
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: my nose in it anywhere. Clearly, as as Michael Murphy

874
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: want said on this podcast, this is a dangerous group.

875
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: I love it. Uh well, richid been extremely generous with

876
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: your time. I've loved it. I've loved it. Before we

877
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: send you back out into the wilds of a a

878
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: Florida retirement community. Uh, any final stories you want to

879
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: share from your vast repertoire or this is your last

880
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: chance to offend our listens. Yeah, I do. I have

881
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: one one story. This is all about me. My dad

882
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: wanted me to play golf so badly, and all I

883
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: said was I don't want to And my dad said, okay.

884
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: And I said to my kids, I'm not going to

885
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,280
Speaker 1: do that to you. You're gonna learn how to sing

886
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: the golf club now, being in New York and stuff

887
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: to do that. But all my kids know how to

888
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: swing a club. They don't know how to play, but

889
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: they all know how to swing a golf club. I said,

890
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: you don't have to go out and play, but I

891
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 1: believe that a young person, that every young person should

892
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: learn the game of golf and not play. They should

893
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: learn because the day will come when they want to

894
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: play and their body will know how to make that

895
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: turn and what to aspire to. When I finally took

896
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: up the game and I started playing with my father,

897
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: I'll have to stand for this. If I'm hitting, shipping

898
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: towards the pin, go like that. This particular teacher at

899
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 1: the time had me face the target and swing like this,

900
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: So my hips were already facing towards the target. And

901
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: I go up and I go up to chip the

902
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: ball and my dad goes, what are you doing? They

903
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm chipping the ball and he goes, no, no, no, no, no,

904
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: what are you What are you doing with your heads?

905
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: Hit the ball? And I go, I am my My

906
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: teacher said, but because no, you don't do that. And

907
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: I go, it's what my teacher said. Do you want

908
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: to know what kind of man? What kind of golfer

909
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: my dad was? This is what he said, Look, son

910
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: of mine, chips a ball like that. I salute him

911
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: because that was not the way to the ball, of course,

912
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: but that doesn't matter that that's what your teacher tells you.

913
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: You do that. Of course you change over the years.

914
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: That It always made me laugh. That's how commanding my

915
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: dad was. It's as loud as he was. He loved it.

916
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: When he passed away. He was a six handicap. I

917
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: wish I'd be played for the army. You know. He

918
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: was a great golfer. Uh and he was a very

919
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: qure garious and loud, loud man. So to say that,

920
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: that's that's who I was raised by. It that's my dad.

921
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: I love it. Well. Lend it on a story about

922
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: my dad. Yeah, it's a nice it's a nice grace

923
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: note after some of the other topics we covered on

924
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: this podcast. But he was tired to a place called

925
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: Champion Hills, which is Tom Fazio's. It's such a glorious course.

926
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: Tom Fazzio moved his family there and used his family

927
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: there in North Carolina. I love that. That's beautiful. Outside

928
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: of nice, but a pleasure, Michael. I never get to

929
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: see you, so it's truly nice to see same here, Richard,

930
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you brilliant. Well that was rich kind.

931
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: My cheeks are actually sore from smiling for an hour

932
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: and ten minutes. Whatever that was. That was ridiculously fun.

933
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 1: Thank you for me that happened, Michael, Yea, it was great. Yuh.

934
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: He was a good guy. And uh, he actually is

935
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: very self aware. How he described his golf game really

936
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: is how he plays, and he does try to catch

937
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: it on the upswing every every club he tries to

938
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: catch on the upswing and it goes very low. Yeah,

939
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: well he clearly loves it. Um thing wrong. He loves it. Yeah,

940
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: uh yeah, that was I mean, well, well, we'll huddle

941
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: up with our our editor, Jake Muldowney exactly what's going

942
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: to make the final cut, because it was he worked

943
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: a little blue, but you know that's part of the fun.

944
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: We're all adults here. I think it's all gonna stage

945
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: Jake whatever you're discomfort level maybe, but yeah, that was

946
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: that was great stuff. All Right, we're gonna we're gonna

947
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: end this podcast. Um. Jake said I should ask him

948
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: about red Oaks, his show, and I forgot. It was

949
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: in my head the whole time and I never got there.

950
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: But Jake, I'm gonna have an answer for you. Rich

951
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: Kind was on a show called red Oaks. It was

952
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: said at a country club I think in suburban New York,

953
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: and Jake did remind me of it, and I am

954
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: aware of it, and I'm sorry I didn't get to it,

955
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: but I will get you an answer. All right, we've

956
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: been Jeff go here. Yeah yeah, so um, this was

957
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: the need of fourth podcast. Thank you for listening. We

958
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: have a lot of fun guests lined up, so h

959
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: for Jeff Ogilvie, Michael Bamberger, Richard Kind, I'm Alan Schipnuk.

960
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, and we'll do it again soon. Mm

961
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: hmmm mm hm. Oh my god. It's a dangerous group

962
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: here