WEBVTT - Patriots Unfiltered 7/8: Training Camp Competition, Offseason Topics, FIFA World Cup 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.440 Some of the content of Patriots Unfiltered may not be 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:11.200 suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:21.599 The World's a regional podcast, Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered, presented 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:24.960 by Toyota dot Com. 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:28.159 The quarterfinal game was the Morocco in France. It's a 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:29.200 good game, you think so. 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:33.199 They're highly ranked, like Norway has played really well in 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:34.720 the World Cup. Allway, mister soccer. 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:37.479 He would just dribble into two guys and try to 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:38.760 have this slick footwork. 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:43.280 But like you got to pass to listen, I played soccer. 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:46.920 I understand, I understand the game, you guys wucagu's allegend 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:48.000 I got a bad case of. 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.280 A content to let Belichick take over as the head 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:52.600 coach until he won the fifteen games that he needs. 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:54.120 How many years was that going to break? 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:54.680 Wow? 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:56.480 Also some other news, Alex and I were talking in 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:57.560 the fleet are moving. 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:57.720 To be you? 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:00.200 They're gonna move to aghanist arena. 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But 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:44.360 in the meantime, by the way, it's Paul, it's me, 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:48.800 It's Matt and the Booth and Mike Michael. But on 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.480 your long commute from Sharon, you had some time to 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:55.000 think and you came with sort of some not I 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.520 don't know if it's a take, but some observations. 0:01:57.640 --> 0:01:59.880 Today of the of Mac. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.600 What you mean, Wow, that's up for you to talk about. 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:04.960 No, I was just watching Mac Jones on Busting with 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:09.440 the Boys and that was I think posted yesterday. Always 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.040 interesting to hear the perspective of the player who we 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:15.200 spent plenty of time talking about and you know, reviewing 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.639 all the decisions that were made around him, and you know, nothing, 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:20.320 nothing earth shattering. 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:22.200 I think it was just interesting to hear kind. 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:25.480 Of Max perspective and now he handled it, and you 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.600 know he was big on like you know, it all 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:29.600 kind of started when Josh lest you know that was 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.120 like and saying, you would have liked the chance in 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.280 his second year to you know, have built on what 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:37.480 they had. And you know that at one point that 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:39.120 he thought Bill was going to be the one calling 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.640 plays and that they never really hired anybody, and then 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:43.959 that they were kind of figuring it out in camp 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.960 as we plainly observed throughout that summer. 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:49.200 He said that they really made. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.120 Some major changes to the offense just before the opener 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:56.320 against Miami, and he just never really found a comfort 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.200 zone and as a young player, was never really you know, 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:01.400 comfortable standing up or you And the same thing was happy, 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:02.960 like he said, you know, he's a good guy. We 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.280 weren't great friends, but I felt like we were supportive 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:07.000 of each other. But it was, you know, just a 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:11.120 difficult situation with two young quarterbacks and you know, mentioned 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.760 the media storm around that and the controversy and you 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:15.919 know just how it was kind of difficult to navigate. 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:17.440 I mean, think about the situation. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:22.520 You're a second year player and your hard headed head 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:27.760 coach makes a decision that for most people thought what 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:32.640 the hell is he doing? And as a second year quarterback, 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.960 you're finding out over time this was a bad decision. Yeah, 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:41.560 and you're trying to navigate through that, and every time 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.880 you do, you're building a bigger wedge between you and 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.800 the head coach because you're questioning his decision. And probably 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:50.960 there was a point where Bill realized it was a 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.680 bad decision, but you know he'll double down. You're already 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:57.040 down there, right, Yeah, and then he had the reaching 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.640 out to people at Alabama for help and that was 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:01.240 the end of it. 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.720 Yeah, you know, No, he did say that first year 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:05.160 they were you know, him and Bill used to have 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:07.960 breakfast together and that they would joke around, and he said, 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.040 you know, something kind of started to change after the 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:11.920 second year, and you know we said, look, we're not 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:14.080 exactly the same kind of personality. We can all see 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.279 that Max kind of goofy, and you know he's just 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:20.000 Bill's very serious. You talked about one time Maca scored 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:21.680 a touchdown and did the gritty again and Bill was 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.360 yelling at him in the film session for like doing 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:25.480 it away from his teammates. So you know, I think 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:27.360 we could all see that it was maybe a little 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.919 oil and water with that relationship. 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.800 But again, nothing groundbreaking. 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:33.120 The one thing I did say to Paul that I 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.240 didn't remember was I think the Chicago game was kind 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.599 of a famous inflection point when Justin Fields went wild 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.800 here and and I didn't remember, but Maxa going into that, 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:43.400 they told him it was going to be a rotation, 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.240 Like they just grabbed him in the hall and they're like, 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:47.640 and he felt like, you know, I got hurt. I 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.360 felt like I was playing okay, we were a couple 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:51.360 of plays away in those first few games that we 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.240 could have maybe won, and I didn't really have a 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:55.800 chance to like at least get back there and re 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:56.880 establish myself. 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:00.400 So and that was one of the most painful high 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:01.400 ankle spraints ever. 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.840 Yeah, well, you know, anyone ever certainly looked at. 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.040 Yeah, but uh no, it's you know, it's so funny. 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:13.440 You get so wrapped up in the current team and 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:15.840 Drake May and how cool it is and we love 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:18.320 Drake May and all the Drake Drake May May and 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:20.800 all that stuff, and you kind of flash back to 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.040 those few years with Mac and all the hopes and 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.520 dreams that were put on him following Cam Newton and 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.320 all that. Uh so I was a little bit of 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.599 a you know, a flashback to those all that stuff. 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.839 Hadn't happened, we wouldn't be where we are now, right, 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:33.840 I hope. 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:35.080 So I'm glad it happened. 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.440 But I do feel a little bad for him, Not 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:39.720 that I'm a huge Mac Jones fan, but. 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:41.880 He got done dirty. Yeah, a little bit. He did 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:43.240 not get a fair shake here. 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.120 It seems like he's found his place now, and you 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:47.000 know we I mean, how much time do we spend 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.800 talking about Kyle Shannon really likes Mac Jones. You might 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:51.440 trade to remember that was like the big rum of it. 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:53.799 But it seems like he's in a pretty good spot. 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.120 I mean, going back to that ESPN rank and rosters, 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.919 they say, you know that their best position quarterback, and 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:01.160 they mentioned not only know that brought perties really good, 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:02.880 but you know that they have a good backup that 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:05.520 they that they trust in Mac. Now, so, uh, good 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:08.320 for him, didn't work out here, But just always interesting 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.360 to hear the player's perspective on these things that we 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.480 talk about every week for six hours on Patriots Unfiltered 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:16.119 and on the pre and post game show and spend 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.400 hours and hours analyzing and then you know a lot 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.200 of times when this happens, you. 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:21.920 Hear their perspective and you're like, yeah, no, we we 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:22.919 knew what we We kind of. 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:24.680 Had a beat on it, even though we weren't in 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.000 the midig of it and everything, you know, like it was, 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.320 you know, there's some specific little nuggets here and there 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:31.920 of maybe things we weren't privileged too. But you know, 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.360 I remember that practice, Paul where David Andrews got up 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.320 at the podium and training camp and was just disgusted, 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:39.880 like you could tell like it just wasn't going good. 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.400 And that was you know what mac Relay it is. 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.960 You know, during camp we were like this, they knew, 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:46.560 like this ain't going to be good this year. 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.520 You know, you guys know me. It's always it's about me. 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:52.320 It's about us now, right, it's about the show. 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.240 And I know you guys right from the get go 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:56.520 said this is not a good decision, But. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:01.480 It's not about necessarily like prettys are one thing, because 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:03.800 I mean, you make predictions, you're gonna get plenty of. 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:05.359 Them wrong too, But this was a failing. 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.799 But what I'm saying is when you watch something unfold 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.880 and you're analyzing it as it's happening, and you're saying 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.200 this is not right, and that's not right, and it 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.000 looks like this is happening and you have no idea 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.480 because no one's telling you on the record that these 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.920 are the things that are happening. And I always liked 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.480 to sort of be validated. So I'm not saying like 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.120 I'm validated because oh I knew Matt Patricia wasn't a 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:31.960 good choice, like he just as easily could have been 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:35.160 a good job, like predictions whatever, Like I said, But 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.840 when you're watching this unfold and you're like, this is dysfunctional. 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.240 They look like they're not on the same page. They 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:43.720 look like the quarterback, why is Bill Belichick not saying 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:44.600 the quarterback's name? 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:44.960 What? 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:49.080 While you're finding out that was all true? Like that's 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:50.840 what I kind of like when you when you're able 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:55.760 to analyze something in real time and then you find out, 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.840 you know later that you you were pretty close, you 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:00.400 had it all pretty pretty much, that's right. 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.440 That's sort of my prediction with the two js. I 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:07.440 just knew the way that the body language, how they 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.120 came out in the public, it just it just didn't 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:10.720 feel right. 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:12.000 It didn't feel right. 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:15.520 That's kind of yeah. I think that's a perfect comparison. Yeah, 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.080 it just you don't know for sure that it's going 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.880 to happen, and you're not necessarily predicting, you're just watching. 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.200 You like, this isn't right. 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.280 Like I watched, you know, when Tom Brady was here 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.960 and the communication in the way things were unfolding, and 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.760 you could see it deteriorating at the end. You saw it. 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.440 You saw a difference, and then you saw a difference 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.559 between rookie year Mac Jones and second year Mac Jones 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:40.840 the way the quarterback and the way the coaching quarterback 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:44.720 were communicating in this case, really not communicating. You know, 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.080 we're watching training camp practices and we're like, who's calling 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:52.520 the place? We don't know? Then they're more concerned with 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.679 not it's because they didn't know either, you know. 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:57.920 It's like too Max was like you know, sometimes it 0:08:57.960 --> 0:08:59.839 was Matty p early on, then it was Joe Judge 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:01.720 Bill was in calling plays. 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:04.920 So sometimes you just watch and you look and you're like, 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.160 this doesn't feel right. This is not going in the 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.320 right direction now. I also, like, I think Mac Jones 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.839 is also and I think certainly everything you guys just 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:15.880 said you feel a little bit for a second year 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:17.560 quarterback was kind of done dirty. 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:19.000 I think two things can be true. 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:20.920 As I've said millions of times about this, I don't 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.600 really think he handled any of it well either. I 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.000 think he could have been a better teammate and handled it. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.720 I think he's exaggerating about the changes in the offense 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.320 and things like that. I had heard stuff that he 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.600 was pushing back on the offense very early in the 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:39.120 offseason when they was first, you know, so i'd heard 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.480 behind the scenes from people telling me that he was 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:44.840 not receptive to what was going on and he was 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:46.439 pushing it. In other words, he didn't even give it 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:50.480 a chance. So you can be right, which I think 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:52.360 gets back to Jalen Brown a little bit. He can 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:54.880 be right in that he doesn't think the offense is 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.960 running as efficiently as with all these three pointers. But 0:09:58.000 --> 0:09:59.840 that's the offense, and you're supposed to try to make 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:02.640 it work, and you're openly trying not to make it work. 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:04.280 Yeah, you're sabotaging it. 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:06.439 And he said and said the same thing I think 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.400 we talked about with like, you know, meetings like who 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.600 stands up in front and who speaks to the offense 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.360 and who you know those you know, just the rhythm 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:16.520 of the weeks and how those you know, everything unfolds 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:17.600 with meetings and practices. 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.000 I think football players and athletes in. 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.160 General just love to have routine and to know who 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.200 I'm listening to and know, you know, what the line 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.640 of demarcation is. But you know, it just it gives 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:28.360 me back to and this kind of feeds into and 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.200 I also I sent you some quotes from from Belichick's book. 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.280 I read Belichick's book over vacation as well, and it's just, 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.920 you know, it's still it's like, why did it all 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:40.120 go sideway? You know, why why was that the decision 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.840 to you know, just stick with Matty p And did 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.720 it have to become so insular and you know, we 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.720 can't go outside, we can't kind of look to new voices. 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:52.200 And you know, that's that's one of the unfortunate parts 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:55.079 I guess of how that whole thing unraveled over, you know, 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.240 because twenty twenty one it was felt rejuvenated. There was 0:10:58.280 --> 0:10:59.960 a point of time. I remember that Atlanta win where 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.800 it's like, oh, the Patriots are back, Like there are problems, 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:04.440 you know, there was a moment in time in twenty 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.200 twenty one where and granted probably Fool's goal at that 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.880 point that you know that that what they the teams 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:11.400 that they were beating in the style that they were 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.160 doing it, But that twenty twenty two and twenty twenty 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.199 three season, man, it was it was just seemed like. 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.680 It was circling the toilet right from the get gos. 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:24.000 Yeah, and you know, Bill's personality is one to when 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.960 things start to go south, to like you said, go 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:30.640 more insular. Yeah, you know, close that circle because he 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.880 doesn't trust anybody. Yeah, well there wasn't trust anyone. He 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.360 didn't trust us, He didn't he doesn't trust anybody. 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:38.120 Well, I mean one of the crazy quotes I thought 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:40.240 that that I highlighted and I shared with Paul and 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.480 with you Fred was just you know, Bill saying, when 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.760 things go wrong in this business, it's usually about ego. 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:48.320 And I was like, yeah, you know, so that was 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.240 that was just a couple other you know, tidbits to 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:51.520 share if anybody wants to check it out. 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:52.920 I mean, I thought it was pretty good. 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.280 I mean I'd like some more like you know, specific stories, 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:56.760 and it was more kind of like, well, this is 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.640 how you got to do it instead of like a reflection. 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.319 But some some Vrabel, I mean high praise for Mike 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:03.080 Rabel throughout. 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:05.120 One quote was that, you know, Rabel used to. 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:07.520 Run the conditioning test with the defensive backs like as 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.800 a flex because he could. And the other thing that 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:12.720 I thought was interesting and we talked about it a lot, 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:15.000 was he but you know, said my fault on the 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.360 on not kicking the field goal in Super Bowl forty two. 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.320 I was late to recognize that, you know, I mean, 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.680 Paul's got a great round about this too, but you know, 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.000 late to recognize how the game was unfolding. And you know, 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.720 we always talk about how did the game declare itself? 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.040 You know, and and here it was declaring itself that 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:32.360 you know, to Paul's point, the offense really hadn't been 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:36.679 itself since maybe November. Uh maybe that last Steelers game. 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:38.400 I remember I was here. They unleashed on him. But 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:40.960 now interesting, he said, you know, as Bill says his 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:42.679 favorite saying, I F that one up. That's one of 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:44.440 those he has a whole thing on. He just say 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:45.360 I F that one up. 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.040 We can all move on and know how to blame it. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.080 And he took he took responsibility for that call. 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:49.400 Yeah. 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.080 Yeah, twenty years later. 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:56.160 Well nineteen yeah, I mean that and Stephen goold. 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:00.480 Rob that was mentioned in there. That was mentioned, Thebbie Gold, 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:02.880 the lamenting Robbie Gold go in there. 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:08.640 It's the thing that bugs me about that is that 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:13.000 he makes it out to be just that game, right, 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:18.000 Like in that game the Giants defense was playing. Yeah, 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.560 the Giants defense did play better than you know, and 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.840 they had a great plan and we all know what happened. 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:28.560 But the offense had been slowing down, and he sort of, 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.280 you know, she he should have been recognizing that the 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:34.199 week before against the Chargers, they only scored twenty one 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:37.040 points at home in the AFC Championship game. I think 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:40.360 Brady had a few picks in that game. They had 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:42.120 been slowing down a little. They had a twenty to 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:43.960 ten game late in the year against the Jets, of 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:44.920 all teams. 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:45.840 Teams for figuring them out. 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:47.920 Yeah, I mean, they had the thirty eight to thirty 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.280 five game against the Giants in the last game of 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.160 the year, And maybe that's what he was thinking of, 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.880 is like, this is the same defense. But to me, 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.720 that's all the more reason to say like, we can't 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.000 expect to do the same thing we just did five 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.400 or six weeks ago against this opponent. 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:04.200 They're gonna decision. 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.480 It was a good coach who makes adjustment. 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:10.000 Right, So I just felt like, yeah, that was a 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:13.320 fourth and thirteen. Come on, that was a little that 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:16.160 was I thought Huberts. I thought like, this is my offense. 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:18.520 We haven't been stopped all year, and we're going to 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.880 put our big you know what's on the table, and 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:22.760 we're going to show everybody how tough we are. And 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.040 I think that was just ego getting in a way again. 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.840 Yeah, Yeah, that was a forty eight yard field goal. 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.200 It's it's almost a chip shot, right mostly. 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.480 And what he's not saying there he's putting he's now 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.600 he's saying, I f'd up whatever. And I wonder, and 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:40.120 I'm sure he didn't get into it purposely. I wonder 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.080 if I had anything to do with any kind of 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.280 a lack of faith in Gostowski at the time. You know, 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:45.760 and I don't know, a lot of people have just 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:49.440 automatically attached that's which I don't think is fair, but 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.960 a lot of people, evidently Fred is attached based. 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.520 On that you're a confident and your kicker. I don't 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:57.040 think it would be a hard decision. Yeah, yeah, it 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:58.200 would be an easy decision. 0:14:58.200 --> 0:14:59.960 I mean, he miss put the three points on the board. 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.760 Had he missed some recent kicks, I don't really remember now, Like. 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:04.920 No, he didn't really have it. He didn't really have 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:05.600 any big kicks. 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.080 That's the problem. He hadn't the opportunity he had. 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:10.240 I mean, he had to go ahead field goal in 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.320 six as a rookie. But it was you know, I 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.200 think it was Chargers game. Yeah, I don't think it 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.320 was a bomber. It was like forty yard forty five 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.000 yards maybe, I don't know it was there. It was 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:20.600 a decent sized field goal. 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:25.359 Anyway, that game, that game, that's the worst contest. 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:31.040 Right, that's the worst one. It's impossible that the worst. 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.080 In your opinion, Paul, is that game. 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:37.000 Ah, does that game. 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.480 Hurt more than any of the super bowls that we 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.920 won feel good about other? Do you feel worse about 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:44.680 that than you felt good about a Super Bowl? 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:46.760 So that's the whole coaches ken under him, Right, That's 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:49.680 when a lot of coaches say it's time to get out. 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:55.200 When the losses hurt, you know, far more than the wins. 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:56.160 You feel good. 0:15:56.320 --> 0:16:01.800 Yeah, it's kind of time to get out that one. Yeah, 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:03.240 I don't know if you would say. I mean, I 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:06.760 would certainly trade in a win for that one, because 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.280 I think the undefeated nature would be so much more. 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.880 Thirty one yards Oh it was only a thirty one 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:13.840 yard or Okay. 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:18.720 Those fourteen and sixteen Super Bowl wins though, were just unbelievable. 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:22.520 Oh yeah, you know the sixteen one was a building 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.480 type of tidle wave that you saw it coming, but 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:29.280 in fourteen was just lightning, I know, hit. You know, 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.440 different amazing wins, different types of amazing wins. 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.400 Brady got the twenty eight to three mem popped up 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.840 again yesterday with a few different places after that. 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:40.320 After the comeback we saw here that was. 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:41.560 What should we go after? 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:43.520 Shifter for this, you want to know, why should you 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:44.880 do a little season desist action? 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.920 He keeps using your logo. I don't like that was 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:49.960 in mine. It was two seventeen, not to twelve. That's 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.440 how I can always tell. If the time is not 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:54.280 to twelve, it's they got it from somewhere else. 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:55.720 But it's always. 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.880 As you see the shootout to last night. The shootout 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:01.160 was it did pretty crazy Fitzland and Columbia. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:01.880 that's pretty good. 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:02.920 Yeah. 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:06.080 Another riveting is that at times. 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:11.320 Switzerland beating them, is that an upsets. 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:10.920 The World Cup rankings? Were they? 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.359 It was funny because we I don't know if you 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.359 were it, I was, like I was, it was. It 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.760 was a weird matchup. Like I've seen so many different 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.600 games or parts of games, and I hadn't really seen 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.320 any of those two countries playing Switzerland and Columbia. I 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.720 hadn't seen any of their games previously. But I don't 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:29.280 I don't know which one was the better one. But 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.199 that's how I figured this out. It's like when they 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.359 put them up, they kind of tell you, like who's 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:34.000 supposed to win? 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:34.920 Zach and Fresno. 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.240 We're talking about twenty eight three, he said, you know, 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:42.359 you guys got off before Argentina's comeback win yesterday. A 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:44.320 lot of people have compared it to twenty. 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.960 Eight to three. Do you think it's a good comparison, I. 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:48.520 Mean, two goals down in soccer seems. 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:50.600 I mean, I think it's I think. 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:52.720 It's pretty similarly eight minutes left in the game. 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:54.160 Yeah, I think it's pretty similar. 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:56.679 I don't know that. I mean, it kind of goes 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.440 back to what we talked about with like your thing 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:01.560 Fred about there's not a lot of like analysis that 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:03.639 goes into like the scheme of soccer, like you just 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:05.320 kind of have to get a shot, you know. And 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.520 I when I look at that comeback, I think about 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:09.760 like the sacks that had to happen, the. 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:11.000 Turnovers that need to you know what I mean. 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.080 There was like, yeah, it was great, like and it's 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.359 really hard to score and you know all that, but 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.520 I also think like you had to get more numbers 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.920 of things right and you had no margin for error 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:21.320 down the. 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:25.680 End football is it's a series of plays, Yeah, and. 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.280 Which is slowed down which there might have been like 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.719 this pass and this little that makes it different. 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.080 Yeah, that makes it different. But I I mean there 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:34.960 was a million different things they had to go right 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:35.640 for Argentina. 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:37.560 Thing like not that you know, I mean. 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:41.240 It's more slow and like unfolding one by more, going 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:43.240 all the way back to the foul call twenty minutes 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:44.360 after they scored a goal. 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.240 Right and like that's just the perfect cross with the 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:46.760 header on. 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:49.560 That and the guy like Fred was all over the defense. 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:56.439 You oh my god, there was a lot that was. 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:58.399 I mean, I think it was comparable. I think you 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:02.480 to score three goals the last whatever it was like 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:04.600 twelve minutes plus. I think it was like seventy eight 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:06.960 was the seventy ninth minute over, so so eleven minutes 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.439 plus whatever they put on for extra time, which was 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:14.800 nothing because Argentina had to lead by that time. I 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:18.199 don't I know this is offending like a lot of 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:20.320 our international listeners, but I don't know how you guys 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.240 watch that sport. It's so corrupt. It's so corrupt. 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:25.680 How you keep track of time? That's my big thing. 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:27.800 I've grown to appreciate a lot of different things more 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:29.760 about to watch. 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:34.119 It's like just like a mini tablet on their wrists. 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:35.960 I guess it's my thing where I'm just I feel 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:37.840 like I'm so tied to time and like how much 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:39.200 time is left and what is it? And like even 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:40.760 when they got into the you know, the Game of 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:42.880 the night where it was in extra time. 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:45.360 And I'm like, it's still just as complicated. I can't 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:49.040 figure out it's like ninety seven, Like that's when there's 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:52.800 an injury during the stoppage time? Are they adding more 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:53.440 tail here? 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:54.959 They are that's what they do. 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:55.879 They just don't tell you. 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:57.320 They try to. 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.760 You know obviously you know, balls out bounds and stuff 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:03.280 like that, but they try to keep it as much 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.960 as close to ninety minutes of play as possible, Like legit, play. 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.200 Ball is moving like that's like any time it's out 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:09.639 of bounds. 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:13.280 If it's out of bounds, they just keeps going. If 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:16.640 it's an injury or like the hydration breik stuff like that, 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:20.240 or like I assume they add some if it's a goal. 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:24.840 Score celebrations, that celebrations VAR so that ret the whole 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:25.840 time is just like a map. 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:27.920 I mean if you just had the var after that 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:31.440 goal that they took away from from Egypt in that game, 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:33.280 like that had to be four minutes alone. 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:35.640 That delay, well that's between. 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:37.320 The celebration when the guy ripped his shirt off and 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:39.480 they're all celebrating and then they find out they're going 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:43.040 you know right, uh you know, and they only added 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:43.520 four minutes. 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:45.360 Well, it's like the ref union ever be like, hey, 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.479 we'd like to not also be the timekeeper, Like can 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:48.960 we just get a timekeeper too? Like why do I 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:51.360 have to call all the penalties they have? 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.040 I don't know, if you guys have ever seen it. 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:57.679 But there's a school board and there's a button that 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:02.399 says on a clock on and off, and all you 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:04.880 have to do is when the ref blows the whistle, 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:08.480 you turn the clock off, and when the balls put 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:10.520 back in play, you put it on. 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:12.560 And how many times that's how they do it in 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:13.880 the other sports. 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:14.440 Like at the end of the game and it's a 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:16.280 one goal game and the team is pressing, and you're like, 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:18.080 but the question, I don't know how much times listen. 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:19.080 I have if you did that. 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:22.040 How much longer would the game be if you just 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:24.439 gave it to this Because in all our sports, the 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:28.359 maximum it's is the longest sport we have is sixty minutes. 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:34.040 You know, basketball is forty eight, hockey sixty. 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.200 You know, this is a ninety minute game. 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:38.919 But I could even but I could even relent to 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:40.440 you a point about like when the ball's out of 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:42.639 bounds and it's just a throw in, okay, so we 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:44.120 don't have to blow the ref doesn't have to blow 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:46.280 the whistle there. You can just leave the clock running. 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:51.320 Then just stop it. When a guy is hurt, stop it, 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:53.960 when a goal is scored, stop it. If the referee 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:55.720 has to go and look at the var right, you 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:59.119 can do it. We can figure this out. We can 0:21:59.160 --> 0:21:59.840 figure this out. 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:03.040 There's a reason, like you know, if you're winning, ball 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:05.440 goes out of bounds, you know, kind of meander. 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:09.359 It's a total strategy. The goalie is all anytime that 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:11.040 you have a lead and the goalie gets the ball, 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:12.680 he goes to the ground and what do you say 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:14.520 this eight he has eight seconds to put it back 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:16.639 and play. Yeah, so there's eight seconds that the clock's 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:17.920 not running. It just keeps. 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:19.880 Running the way that is now at least, you know, 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:23.200 like if I meander, he's just going to add more 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:25.560 time on. So I'm not really getting away with much 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:27.320 right right, you know, I don't know. 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:29.840 They don't add any time for meandering. They only add 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:30.480 time for injury. 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:32.439 I don't know about that, and I don't know, but 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:37.840 I would love to sit down with somebody who really. 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:41.240 Understress Argentine is losing and and explain. 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:44.159 Why they count up and why they do it that way. 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:45.240 You know, Well, it's just to. 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.399 Me, it's the end of game, because you know, any sport, 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:49.320 it's a one goal game, it's a one score game. 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:50.160 You're tied to the clock. 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:54.080 I mean especially hockey basketball, like you are like three two. 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:56.800 Thing, how much time has got to go? 0:22:56.800 --> 0:22:59.840 What he knows that's good. 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:02.159 Yeah, I just I wonder what it's like as a 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:03.919 player where you're like, I mean, I guess you just 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:06.080 you can't think about the time, like you just have. 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:14.080 To make you know, there's a funny but this way 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:15.399 we never have to stop. 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:17.960 It is funny how many different things like you know, 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:21.280 you you and Evan got into your semantics argument about 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:23.600 like the americanization of sock, you know, like why can't 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:25.679 they just use the term But like it's almost like 0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:27.960 they go out of their way for everything has to 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:32.080 be different, Like it's not it's you know, it's not 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:36.240 a final, it's it's it's fun. It's full time, right right, 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:39.960 it's not over time, it's extra time. It's not zero 0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:43.360 it's nil. It's not the field, it's a pitch, it's 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:45.800 you know, it's you know, we can't have the clock 0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:47.600 go down to zero. We have to have it go 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:50.199 up to nine. Like everything has to be different. 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:53.440 Why, well you don't have to worry about it for 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:54.440 another four years, Paul. 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:56.879 I know that was the only I was the silver 0:23:56.960 --> 0:23:59.520 lining of the lossity the other night is well, I 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:00.000 guess I can. 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:01.600 Going on four years and I don't want to be 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:03.680 labor the whole development thing again. But I feel like 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:05.879 my phone was listening to me and I got fed 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:08.479 a ton of stuff over the last twenty four hours 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:11.240 about you know, the development programs and the models over there, 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:13.920 and especially after our game. 0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:17.080 I think, but I think I said very specifically yesterday 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:21.199 that the youth sports model in the US is broken 0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:25.960 in all sports. Yeah, I don't well, I would never 0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:28.320 dispute that. Just it's broken. It could be done in 0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:29.760 a much better and more efficient way. 0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:33.199 I just watched a short on YouTube with Beckham and 0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:35.280 this was he was being interviewed and he said when 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:38.080 he first came over here to play in MLS in LA, 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:41.400 he asked the owner, either the owner of the team 0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:45.400 or a commissioner, you know, what's the academy system like here? 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:48.000 You know how many teams have academies and at the 0:24:48.080 --> 0:24:51.800 time none of them did. He says, that's got to change. 0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.240 He was ik' the REVS academy is that new? 0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:57.280 That's what he said. He said, there were no academies 0:24:57.320 --> 0:25:02.280 at the time. Maybe and I've been about the risk anyway, 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:04.480 I'm just saying what he said. And he said, you 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.520 have to have an academy system. That's the only way 0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:10.040 you're going to develop in your country because I came 0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:12.960 up through academy. Everybody I know came up through some 0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:16.800 academy system, right, And he said, now this is a 0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:20.239 recent interview. Just now every team in the MLS has 0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:20.800 an academy. 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:21.040 Yeah. 0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:22.640 One of the things I was fair was just that 0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:26.120 over in Europe you're incentivized to develop players and your 0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:30.359 program benefits monetarily when you develop good players, whereas here 0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:34.360 it's pay to play. Everybody pays, and there's no benefit 0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:37.919 to the program if players are successful. It's just about 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:41.840 getting money and trying to win games. So yeah, I mean, 0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:44.240 it's it's it's completely different, you know, And that's I 0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:46.480 think is it's goes back to what we've talked about. 0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:48.800 It just it's so ingrained top to bottom of the. 0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:51.919 Culture, the the you know, the whole problems parameters that 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:54.199 they have set up for it. But you know, the 0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:56.399 other point was just you know, relegation and that and 0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:59.000 promotion and how you know, some people over there wonder 0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:01.960 with the MLS. That's what's come in last place, there's 0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:02.920 no consequences. 0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:04.679 That's interesting way to look at it. 0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:07.760 I mean, we joked about relegation where Patriots are playing 0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:09.120 a relegation schedule last year. 0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:11.359 They know the Baseball League where they had now the 0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:14.040 Boston Park League had relegation because they had at the time, 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:15.840 they had a junior park league and it's called the 0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:19.520 Yockey League now. But the champ of the Yockey League 0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:21.600 would take the place of the team that finished in 0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:23.000 last place in the Park League. 0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:24.760 Allegation. 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:27.680 Yeah, some incentive, as long as you have enough teams 0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:29.280 to support that system, do it. 0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:31.960 Yeah, I mean it's it's I mean hockey's going this 0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:34.439 way too, where there's academies and all these things opening 0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:37.359 up where kids are you know, going to basically zoom 0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:39.960 school so that they can play hockey all the time. 0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:42.919 And you know, I just wonder, are these in the 0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:45.080 best interest of the players and developing the players to 0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:47.399 the best level or is this just about give us 0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:50.040 your money and your kids can play hockey twenty four 0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:51.840 to seven and you know, maybe they'll go play D 0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:55.119 three college and you know, and that's great, but some 0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:57.720 of these kids I think go in having pro aspirations 0:26:57.760 --> 0:26:59.600 and it's you know, I just hate the fact of 0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:02.240 take making of parents harder money and selling a kid 0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:03.720 a bunch of stuff about you're going to end up 0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:05.440 in the pros if you come with us, and he 0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:06.080 is no prayer. 0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:08.960 That was one element of this. And again I think 0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:11.960 we talked about it yesterday. I know Alex was I 0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:14.399 thought had a lot of interesting perspective as a former 0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:19.200 player about it, and I agree, like the model doesn't 0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:23.119 doesn't work. It's not the most efficient model that they 0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:27.040 could have. But I just feel like some of it 0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:29.280 is sort of overlooked. 0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:30.040 Like I think that. 0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:38.679 You know, with soccer, I think that there's still like that, 0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:42.040 just that lack of passion. Like one of the things 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:46.840 that people were talking about with these programs was the 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.959 goal was in US is for a Division one scholarship. 0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:55.639 Why is that a bad goal? Why is that a 0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:56.040 bad goal? 0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:56.680 It's a great goal. 0:27:56.760 --> 0:28:00.400 Now, I understand that parents are crazy and every thinks 0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:02.399 their kid's going to be a Division one athlete. That's 0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:04.960 a different issue. That's a whole different issue. But like 0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:10.960 one of the guys that wrote a long passionate Slammy 0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:14.480 was a former college soccer player I'm like, what's wrong 0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:18.800 with that? Yeah, Like, does everybody that plays a sport 0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:23.040 have to aspire to be one of the twenty best 0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:24.840 and be on the national team? Whatever many you are 0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:26.160 on the US national team. 0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:27.399 I guess there's nothing wrong with it. 0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:31.120 But if that's the pinnacle, then as a country, you're 0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:31.879 gonna fall short. 0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:36.680 No, I understand that, but like it just we look 0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:40.200 at this as like, you know, in a denigrating fashion, 0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:41.520 like what our goal. 0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:44.720 Was for to go to college in well, I mean college. 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:46.680 I know a lot of people that if they could 0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:49.520 play a sport in college and get their education paid for. 0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:51.680 I feel like we're doing all right here. 0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:54.080 Let's do It's great? Yeah, how much college costs? He's 0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:54.520 all right? 0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:56.840 Eight five to five past five hundred is the Hotline 0:28:56.920 --> 0:29:01.520 podcast at pitches dot com. Yeah, let's talk about anything. Uh, 0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:03.080 Nate in Connecticut. 0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:05.400 We can hear you, Okay, all right? 0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:05.720 Good. 0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:10.160 So this is kind of early for this. I praged 0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:14.800 actually probably very early, but the roster cutdown day is 0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:17.960 sometime in August, and you know, before you know, it's 0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:21.840 going to be right there, right right before us. You 0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:23.880 guys have any names you want to throw out that 0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:27.720 could be on the possible Cup candidate list names that 0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:30.560 probably aren't going to be on the team this year. 0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:33.920 So, Mike, you have the it's going to be about. 0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:36.960 Guys they're going to get cut the cut. 0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:39.480 I mean, otis rees Khalil. 0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:42.239 I mean there's a ton of guys' names that who 0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:44.200 I don't even know that won't be on the team. 0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:49.160 But are you talking more like surprise cuts or because. 0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:52.680 I'm talking, uh, you know, mix of anything. 0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:55.160 Honestly, I mean it's going to be forty. 0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:56.240 Guys cut about, you know. 0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:58.920 I don't. I don't have a like a surprise off 0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:00.600 the top of my head right now. I'd have to 0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:03.920 sort of wait and see what personnel grouping start to 0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:07.920 look like a week in and see like a veteran who, Hey, 0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:10.480 how come he seems to be running with the Kyle 0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:12.080 Tucker Yeah last year? 0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:13.200 Hey what happens? 0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:17.600 He's not necessarily out there with, you know, with the regulars. 0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:18.280 What's going on? 0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:20.600 I think I think the more interesting question is who 0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:23.160 are the depth guys that make it, because I think 0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:26.680 when you look at the starting eleven and maybe on 0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:28.280 the offensive side of the ball, I could even go 0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:31.280 to like fourteen fifteen sixteen ish. 0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:32.600 Who are the guys after that? 0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:35.480 Because I feel great about the starting eleven on defense, 0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:38.560 I think the defense eleven twelve guys, I mean locked 0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:41.600 in great players, not a lot of places I feel 0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:44.720 like they need to upgrade if everybody's healthy, of course, 0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:47.720 but you know who are the extra defensive lineman, who's 0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:50.640 the extra guard, who you know, the tight end, who's 0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:53.200 gonna with Julian Hill going out? Who kind of slips 0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:56.960 into that spotbacker? You know, linebacker? What guy you know 0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:59.600 steps into the role that Jack Gibbons had last year. 0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:03.280 So I know who the top guys are, it's just 0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:05.840 who are going to be the surprises? And I mean 0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:07.800 I was talking on the radio this morning and the 0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:09.680 same point I made with the defense of like, you know, 0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:12.640 they're kind of stuck in nickel a little bit. I'm 0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:14.360 curious how they're gonna be able to get to dim 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:16.160 or down to base and still be really you know, 0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:18.520 put their best players on the field. But you know 0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:20.320 that the thing that stood out to me last year 0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:22.160 he yet a lot of development from players that we 0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:23.720 haven't seen in recent years. You know, a guy like 0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:26.040 Craig Woodson, I don't think we've seen that recently, where 0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:27.880 a rookie comes in, we weren't really you know, we 0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:29.320 didn't really know what to expect for him, and he, 0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:31.520 you know, pretty much plays the whole season and gets 0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:33.760 better and looks like he's playing his best football at 0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:34.120 the end. 0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:35.960 You know, can that happen again this year? 0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:38.280 You know, I'm looking at the roster here and you know, 0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:39.560 we saw a little bit out of a guy like 0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:42.440 Leonard Taylor last year, Corey Dirten or you guys who 0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:45.880 got opportunities and seemingly going into the off season, the 0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:47.280 coaching staff looked at them and said, you know, we 0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:50.080 don't have to go out and address defensive tackle because 0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:51.920 I think what they're telling us is that they like 0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:54.840 these guys. I mentioned it yesterday and Badard said, you know, 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.840 he thinks they like Elijah Ponder. Can he become an 0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:01.440 effective part of this defensive rotation. So that's where the 0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:03.600 biggest intrigue to me is, you know, it's a guy 0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:05.200 like Braiden Swinson come out of nowhere. 0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:05.600 Wow. 0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:07.719 Year two, he wasn't. We didn't see anything on him 0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.200 last year. That's where it's going to be interesting to 0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:14.000 me because I could probably rattle off what thirty ish 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:15.160 of the cuts right now. 0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:17.400 Yeah, I just don't off the top of my head, 0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:19.760 I can't think of one that would be like a 0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:22.880 surprise cut, like someone that you go into camp saying 0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:25.720 this veteran, because like none of the guys that Mike 0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:28.600 just mentioned would be you know, Okay, so Chad Muma 0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:32.320 gets cut and kJ Britt stays or the other way around, 0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:36.920 Like that's not necessarily a surprise Elijah Ponder or Braiden Swinson. 0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:44.120 But does you know some young I don't know, does 0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:44.840 a young. 0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:47.000 Guard Bryan or does Kayden Wallace? 0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:48.880 Okay, okay, so Kayden Wallace. 0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:51.080 Does Kayden Wallace all of a sudden ascend to a 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:53.040 level that we haven't seen in his first two years 0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:56.360 and he's like a starting caliber right guard and Mike 0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:58.120 o Winhu, who's in the last year of his deal, 0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:00.560 is now expendable. That to me would be a stunning 0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:03.320 cut if something like that were to happen. But you 0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:05.520 don't know that that's about to happen until you start 0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:08.240 to see it in practice every day, like, hey, why 0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:11.200 is Kayden Wallace out there instead of Michael Went's. 0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:12.280 A good way, that's a really good way to put 0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:15.600 I think you know, not just going into camp knowing 0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:17.320 nothing that all this guy might be in the outs. 0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:19.600 But that happens all the time in the NFL, where 0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:21.560 a younger, cheaper player like. 0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:24.440 Dugger was that guy like Craig Woodson had progressed to 0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:26.960 the point that none of us had sort of understood 0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:29.959 that the coaches obviously did, and the coaches got it right. 0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:32.480 I was critical of it, if you recall, I again 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:35.560 not afraid to admit when you're wrong. That's why, Like 0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:38.760 I don't really toot my horn on a prediction that's right. Like, 0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:43.040 I didn't see Craig Woodson being that caliber of a 0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:45.280 starter in year one as a fourth round pick, but 0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:47.200 he was. He was pretty steady for them all year, 0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:48.840 and I thought he got better as the year went on, 0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:51.720 and he made Kyle Dugger expendable. Yeah, and that was, 0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:54.400 you know, sort of one of those cuts that Yeah, 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:56.560 I mean, you might not say it was a surprise 0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:59.480 because of the contract. People kind of thought maybe he 0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:02.000 could go, But yeah, I figure those out as you go. 0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:09.920 Loril is in San Francisco. What's up, Loril? Loril, can 0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:10.400 you hear me? 0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:11.280 Yes? We can. 0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:15.360 Awesome, AWO, thank you for taking the call. Actually, I 0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:17.080 hate to take you guys back a little bit, but 0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:18.400 I just wanted to kind of go back to we 0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:21.440 were talking about before to give you more context. I've 0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:23.279 been the Patch fans. I was like nine years old, 0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:25.960 and I always think about this Bill and Brady theme 0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:28.000 that people talk about and one of the things I 0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:30.560 always kind of think back to. And Brady was just 0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:34.839 on with Kelsey with the Kelsey Brothers and they asked 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:37.040 him about Bill, and I love that he described it 0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:40.680 as Bill was the great person, the greatest coach to 0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:45.000 have like till Sunday, till the day to the day 0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:46.919 of the game, because you'll prepare you for the game, right. 0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:49.960 But we've seen Bill get to a point where he 0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:54.520 was dysfunctional. If have we ever seen Brady be dysfunctional? 0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:56.880 Like we're like, That's what I always think back to 0:34:56.920 --> 0:34:59.600 when they compare that conversation. And that's where y'all took 0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:02.040 me to. I talked about mac Joel's where he went through, 0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:05.640 like we saw dysfunction with Bill when age came and 0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:10.800 tenure came. If back then we would have picked Brady 0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:13.719 and maybe Bill would have left the path, it would 0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:16.560 I think that the pat still would have been a 0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:20.520 functional team that maybe wouldn't have won another Super Bowl 0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:22.640 like he did with Tampa. But I still think we 0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:26.040 would have saw we would have never saw any dysfunction 0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:29.000 as Pats fans. And that's what I always think back 0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:31.000 to when we talk about this Brady and Build thing. 0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:33.320 I'm glad that we haven't both by the way, I 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:35.960 wouldn't change anything about it. But that's one thing that 0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:38.319 I never hear people talk about. That is always all 0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:39.399 was a Brady was a Bill? 0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:39.759 Was it? 0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:42.120 And to me, that's always when I said, back, we've 0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:45.680 never seen Brady kind of fail the life. I don't know, Paul, 0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:45.840 if you. 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:49.200 Want to pick it uPAR part of you know, I wouldn't. 0:35:49.200 --> 0:35:50.200 I wouldn't pick it apart. 0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:52.040 I would say there was a lot of dysfunction with 0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:54.520 Brady and Belichick at Danks LOREO. I mean, I think 0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:57.239 if you didn't, this is another one you sort of 0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:00.480 We talked about it at the time and people back 0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:02.920 and then you get a documentary series that tells you, well, no, no, no, 0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.799 there was plenty of dysfunction. You know. Devin mccordy and 0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:08.080 Matthew Slater would explain to you just how icy it 0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:11.480 was between Belichick, and it was on both ends, and 0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.360 it was partly Brady's fault too, Like I'm always critical 0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:17.040 of Belichick, but it was partly Brady's fault too, with 0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:20.440 his insistence on on Alex Guerrero and all that stuff, 0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:26.479 and him sort of funneling his receivers to his way 0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:29.880 of thinking. I mean, that's that's divisive. So that's that's dysfunction, 0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:32.279 and some of that was Brady's. I mean, I think 0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:34.160 the Lions share was Belichick's fault, but some of it 0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:34.640 was Brady's. 0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:37.000 Two you can't have two head trainers for a team, 0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:43.440 you know, giving opposing opinions and uh, you know, ways 0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:45.920 to get better. You just can't have that. And even 0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:48.520 at you know, you know, that season that they were 0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:52.160 eight no, he was the most miserable eight no quarterback 0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:55.960 because he saw what was going on and in his mind, 0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:58.600 the only reason we're eight no is because I'm holding 0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:01.160 this thing together and I'm tired of it, you know, 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:05.279 And he showed that, and of course they went five 0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:10.399 hundred the rest of the season, right, So yeah, there 0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:13.480 was dysfunction that way, but because he was so good 0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:15.480 on the field, it masked it. 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:19.480 Like so much of what he did mask things over time. 0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:22.279 Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm in spackle, Yeah, I mean, 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:24.000 I was thinking about on the field, and I just 0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:27.160 I don't really remember even a game where he didn't 0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:29.279 at least make a push, you know. There was just 0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:32.919 off the field certainly, but on the field, I don't. 0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:33.879 I think he had his. 0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:36.439 Bad game, but there was always even moments in those 0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:38.479 bad games where you never lost hope. 0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:41.399 Yeah, yeah, or you didn't lose hope because it was him, right. 0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:44.239 It's just like a lot of people go into every 0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:47.320 season when Belichick was here, like they got Belichick so 0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:49.640 they can They're always a thread. I remember Sports Illustrated 0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:51.719 picked him to finish first in the division the year 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:54.080 they went four and thirteen, and Bill's last year. It 0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:57.160 was not it was a local Sports Illustrated guy. It's 0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:59.960 like Connor or guy, not like Peter Kamer. 0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:04.279 Someone anthony' said Seattle, what's up? 0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:07.600 Anthony, Hey, Fred, Deuce, Paul, Hey. 0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:08.520 You guys doing all right? 0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:09.960 All right? 0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:10.480 Hey? 0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:12.759 Yeah, I'm off on Wednesdays, and so I usually I 0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:13.760 go to the gym in the morning. 0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:13.920 Star. 0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:18.480 I was just listening up finishing up yesterday's uh episode 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:20.520 listening to you guys, and so I hadn't heard the 0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:22.120 announcement that you guys would be on the air, so 0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:24.719 kind of right around the same time Fred said it 0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:27.359 in my headphones and then my phone shined to tell 0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:28.600 me you guys are on the air. I'm like, oh, 0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:29.680 nice little surprise. 0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:30.400 So nice. 0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:34.000 Yeah, I just wanted to call in connect with you guys. 0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:36.359 I'm calling it and I got a lot, but I'm 0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:39.520 calling in today humbly, pat in hand requesting if I 0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:41.200 can love to get a hold of one of those 0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:44.600 those Patriots on unfiltered T shirts. I feel like I 0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:46.880 spent a good a good amount of time listening to 0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:49.520 you guys while working out. Usually got on a Patriot's 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:51.520 shirt and I'm listening to the PEU with my headphones, 0:38:51.520 --> 0:38:53.560 and I got this image of me just having the 0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:56.799 PU T shirt, you know, sweat, going the pump and 0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:57.560 all that good stuff. 0:38:57.600 --> 0:39:01.200 So we can arrange that if you stay on the line, 0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:04.279 maybe and uh just might take taken over for Matt 0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:04.680 the booth. 0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:06.880 He can get your info and Alex. 0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:13.600 Alexa you guys, okay. 0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:16.080 Yeah, send us an email at podcasts at Patriots dot 0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.560 com with your address and your size, and that I'll 0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:19.800 get it out to you the next few months. 0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:21.160 Okay, how did I know? 0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:25.080 Thanks Anthony? All Right, Anthony's he's a good call. 0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:26.759 I was going to ask him if he's going to 0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:29.800 the to the opener, Uh, you know, and shoot, I 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:31.200 don't know how many days it is now, but it 0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:32.799 feels like it's coming up quick. I was one thing 0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:34.640 I thought watching that game the other night in Seattle, 0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:37.800 was I mean, obviously the American fans were going crazy, 0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:39.480 but the Seattle fans are going to be going crazy 0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:40.080 at that game too. 0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:41.839 It's going to be That's gonna be a cool game. 0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:44.200 How weird do you think it'll be playing on a Wednesday? 0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:46.040 How screwed up is that going to be? 0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:47.120 Because it's the first game. 0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:48.520 I don't know if it'll I mean, I think it'll 0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:50.959 feel weirder, weirder the week after, you know, like whos 0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:52.520 we have like because it'll be cool, we get to 0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:54.280 what we get to watch the opening games on Sunday, 0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:56.200 you know, and that that. But then I think I'll 0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:57.320 be I'm already looking. 0:39:57.080 --> 0:39:59.200 Forward to it. They better get me in my red 0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:01.280 zone back by the NFL Network. 0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:03.760 In terms of your mental clock, do you think it'll. 0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:05.719 Well, I don't think it's I mean, I usually in 0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:07.360 the season, I feel like when you're on rhythm you 0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:09.160 get thrown off, but where we're not really and then 0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:11.120 it's like the pseason ends and you got a couple 0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:12.480 of weeks and then I mean, it's gonna be a 0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:14.399 weird Labor Day if you're a big Labor Day fan. 0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:15.400 Yeah, I don't know, an V. 0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:18.200 I don't really. I think Mike's right because it's at 0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:21.319 the beginning of the season. You haven't really started anything yet, 0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:23.520 so yeah, your clock, it's just like, oh, well, well 0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:26.200 that's for all you know, it's Sunday and just yeah, 0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:27.040 just started, you know. 0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:28.600 Speaking of the schedule, I don't know if you guys saw, 0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:30.879 but the NFL changed their schedule a little bit next 0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:33.640 off season. They pushed the combine back to the first 0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:34.719 week of March. 0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:35.600 And hit interrupt. 0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:38.440 But uh, audio just cut out on all the feeds, 0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:41.719 So give us one second. All right, we're going to 0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:43.759 slate right now, so you know, you guys don't know 0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:45.359 how mics We're back. 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:45.680 Good. 0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:48.040 Everything we said before is actually right. 0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:50.520 At what point did we lose audio so that we 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.279 can right after the call? I know, you giving me 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:55.600 a thumbs up, But at what point did we lose audio? 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:56.000 Do you know? 0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:57.359 Like what were we talking about? 0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:02.200 No need to repeat. The combine has been pushed a week, 0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:04.239 but it's also the tampering periods now going to so 0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:06.760 there's not like going to be the two weeks in between. 0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:08.880 So when is the combine. 0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:12.399 The combine is going to start Monday, March first, which 0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:15.319 is about a week later than it usually is. 0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:16.279 And then it'll wrap up. 0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:19.279 That is a little bit or just because of the 0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:20.359 when it's schedule. 0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:22.759 The calendar, but then the tampering period is going to 0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:25.560 start whatever mark's eighth, you know, so it's there's not 0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.560 going to be that March months. Last year, well, usually 0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:30.759 there was two weeks in between, so you'd have the 0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:32.920 combine would end on a Sunday, then you'd have like 0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:35.799 two full weeks, then you'd have the tampering period start 0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:37.000 and free agency would. 0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:39.400 Officially new new league year would. 0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:39.880 Open on Wednesday. 0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:41.200 So it's just a little more condensed. 0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:44.719 But as uh, you know just that that so much 0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:48.239 conversation goes on at the combine that's going to feed 0:41:48.280 --> 0:41:50.640 directly into the start of tampering and free agency. 0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:51.160 So I think. 0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:53.239 It's probably going to make the combine a little bit 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:57.240 more hectic for the executives trying to you know, position everything, 0:41:57.280 --> 0:41:59.239 get all their ducks in a row. I wonder if 0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:01.400 there might be teams to pull back on the combine 0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:03.799 part of it because they don't need to be there. 0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:06.239 They're more focused on free agency the start of the 0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:07.959 new year, and they'll get caught up on the draft. 0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:10.359 So just a slight tweak from the NFL keeping us 0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:10.799 on our toast. 0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:16.080 It's interesting, Anthony writes in about the dysfunction. You guys 0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:18.600 brought up a good point to the divisiveness of the 0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:21.520 team during the end of the dynasty. I'm sure there 0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:23.680 is more to it, But do you guys think the 0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:27.279 Alex Guerrero situation is the driving factor to Brady and 0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:31.520 Bill's rocky relationship. I don't know if it's the driving factor, 0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:32.920 but it was a big factor. 0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:34.720 I agree, Yeah. 0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:36.040 Yeah, I mean I think it speaks to a bigger 0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:39.880 kind of control. And you know, as Tom grew into himself, 0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:42.000 I mean, you've heard him talk so many times about 0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:44.279 Alex Guerrero now of I mean talking, I mean I 0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:46.919 saw it again where I forget what year was maybe 0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:49.239 two thousand and five, where like they doctors wanted to 0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:50.920 go in into surgery and cut through the ten in 0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:53.560 his legs, and he said, Guerrero will have like, you know, 0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:55.360 an hour or two with him, and he never felt 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:58.120 that pain again. So I understand why he would be 0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:00.640 a true believer you know, in this I and and 0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:02.879 want to you know, incorporate that into the team. 0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:05.160 But I do think that was you know, major point. 0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:07.239 But I think it's a bigger thing about power and 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:11.600 influence within within the organization, you know, yeah, trying to 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:13.880 make sure. I'm sure Tom developed a point of view 0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.439 that he wanted to have fulfilled and Bill had his own. 0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:18.920 Now here's a little bit of trivia. Do you know 0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:22.240 who introduced Alex Guerrera to Tom Brady? 0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:24.680 Oh yeah, yeah, Willie McGinn. 0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:31.960 You know, people forget that fal did. No, it's uh. 0:43:32.160 --> 0:43:35.760 But also then I think Giselle was a driving factor 0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:36.800 to the division. 0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:39.120 That's why I'm not worried about Josh Allen as much anymore. 0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:41.080 I think, you know, and it's and justin Herbert to 0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:43.520 like if you're you know, dating actress musician, I think 0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:45.600 it's uh, you know, I think that there's there's gonna 0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:46.719 be a lot going on for those guys. 0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:48.040 I think I'll be distracted this year. 0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:50.200 The whole crew in there. 0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:55.960 Now, let's see Jack and and Abba. 0:43:56.280 --> 0:44:01.479 Jack about the developmental systems for use sports, he says 0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:04.200 an effective model for the development of youth sports teams 0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:08.360 in the US is the USA Hockey National Team Development Program. 0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:13.560 The NTDP is thriving, and it consistently produces players who 0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:17.840 graduate to major college hockey and the NHL. Other sports 0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:21.360 should use the NTDP as. 0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:23.799 A model soccer did in the early nineties had the 0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:25.040 same thing didn't work. 0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:29.080 They're I mean they're expanding that too. Now they're expanding 0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:31.200 to like a whole like league of teams that. 0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:32.319 You know how you get in that? 0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:34.319 Yeah, money, You. 0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:35.440 Pay a lot of money. 0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:40.800 To play in these travel programs, in these junior leagues. 0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:45.960 I actually have a family member whose nephew is actually 0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:46.759 in it right now. 0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:52.279 Yeah, It's it's not easy. It's not easy now. 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:55.759 I mean a lot of good players, I mean Matthew Bowleie, 0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:58.520 the Hughes brothers, I mean they certainly. 0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:02.560 Well, the huge family has been mental in the program itself. Yeah, Jack, 0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:06.760 Jack Hughes's father Jack and Quinn's father, I think Jack 0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:08.200 and that the father's name is Jack. 0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:09.960 I mean, I kind of would like to cross this 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:13.480 over Fred to your thing about Jim flag football, you know, 0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:16.719 because you're talking flag football is and you know, and 0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:19.160 we never really nobody says like we need a football 0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:21.520 development system. I think everybody kind of feels like it's 0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:24.360 working okay, right, Like does that you know, we have 0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:26.640 all this like we have to develop, like football doesn't 0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:27.640 really seem to have that problem. 0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:31.240 I think the difference that soccer needs it. And Alex 0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:32.960 makes this point, she made it yesterday in the show, 0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:34.640 and we were talking about it a little bit earlier, 0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:38.120 and I think this is where the development people have 0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:44.440 it right. And I'm a little bit simplistic, but they 0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:47.000 don't have the built in head start with soccer that 0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:50.000 they do, Like we're ahead of everybody else, and maybe 0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:53.799 everybody else is catching up because they develop better than 0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:57.000 we do. And look at you know, the look at 0:45:57.000 --> 0:46:00.479 all the catch up that basketball has done internationally because 0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:02.720 they're doing it the same way they do soccer, and 0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:06.520 you know, and they have the same I would say 0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:11.840 that probably the same restraints with them with basketball in 0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:14.760 the European because soccer is number one, so they're getting 0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:17.480 the second. So that's to me, that's a point in 0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:22.240 the developmental column. You can do it if you develop properly. 0:46:22.600 --> 0:46:25.560 We just don't have the passion in the sort of 0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:31.440 the institutional history with the sport to overcome a bad 0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:35.239 developmental model, which I again fully admit is bad, and 0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:38.520 it's bad in all sports. The US national development team 0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:41.239 and hockey is fine, that's great. That's not why we're 0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:45.680 good in hockey. It's not like, that's not why they 0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:50.160 won the gold medal. Like, I just feel like people 0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:52.360 miss that we pay those kids pay a lot of 0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:55.319 money to play in those programs, and that's wrong. Like 0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:56.840 there's got to be a better way to do it. 0:46:56.920 --> 0:46:59.680 Yeah, that's I guess. My only hope is that, especially 0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:03.400 in the in America, is that the talented kid, the 0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:06.440 special kid who doesn't come from the. 0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:08.560 Resources, he gets a scholars does he? 0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:11.399 Yeah, Like, as long as those kids can still find 0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:14.000 their way into the professional leagues and they're not being 0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:16.040 held back just because they can't write the check to 0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:18.440 play on the team that they need to, you know, 0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:20.200 I think ultimately you'll be okay. 0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:23.280 But it's fine for those kids, and you know, getting 0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:24.399 the exposure for them. 0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:27.239 And how many kids fall in the middle, right, you know, 0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:30.440 how many kids might have the talent but not the money, 0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:32.600 but has enough money that he ain't getting. 0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:35.120 It paid for, you know, right, right? And which is, 0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:36.839 let's face it, the majority of. 0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:39.279 People, right, And that those kids can if they were 0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:41.840 able to play in the better leagues surrounded by the 0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:44.919 better players, then they improve even more dramatically. 0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:50.000 You know, A quick game of who am I already? 0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:52.799 I like games? Player one time of year for games. 0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:56.640 I played for the Patriots from twenty ten to twenty twelve. 0:47:57.000 --> 0:47:57.839 Mike, this is you. 0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:00.879 In my last season with the team, I had seven 0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:05.440 hundred and forty seven all purpose yards for the team. Okay, 0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:10.480 and I played running back and scored the first touchdown 0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:15.879 in Super Bowl. It is that fifty forty five, forty six, 0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:17.480 forty six, Danny. 0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:19.640 Would Dan, that's a fun story. 0:48:20.160 --> 0:48:22.760 I wouldn't have gotten it until the Super Bowl touchdown. 0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:23.680 Player two. 0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:26.640 I was drafted by the Patriots out of North Carolina State. 0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:31.080 I played for New England from nineteen ninety to nineteen 0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:33.240 ninety four and retired in two thousand. 0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:37.200 Ray Agnew Ray Agnew was correct. 0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:38.760 I wouldn't have gotten that one. 0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:42.759 I'm a little proud of myself for that one final one. 0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:44.719 I think I had his football card though, I remember. 0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:48.279 That final one. I won one super Bowl with the 0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:53.320 Patriots as a cornerback. I went undrafted in two thousand 0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:59.440 coming out of Georgia Southern think elements when it. 0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:01.120 Comes to my earthwind Moreland. 0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:04.160 That's correct, that's funny. 0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:06.040 What did you guys think of Danny Woodhead? 0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:08.160 I always thought that was like, you know, he was 0:49:08.200 --> 0:49:10.640 actually pretty good, but he's so try hard. 0:49:10.800 --> 0:49:11.920 No, I did not hate him. 0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:13.520 You didn't like that? 0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:20.759 I mean, no, he was I would say, Okay, so 0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:23.960 he filled a role, very specific role. 0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:27.759 Since somebody get hurt. Kim fuck right, Kevin funk I hurt? 0:49:27.760 --> 0:49:28.640 They were out of guys. 0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:29.600 I feel like I. 0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:33.759 Think was gone by then. But if he wasn't, he 0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:38.440 was close. But that was a role that they had 0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:41.560 that that someone al was filled. In my view, he 0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:44.160 was the least effective in that role. Like Kevin Falk, 0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:47.560 Shane Vereen, James White, all those guys were better than 0:49:48.120 --> 0:49:51.319 don't you think, better than what had filled for a 0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:55.960 guy that grabbed off the Jets practice Like Deon Lewis. 0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:58.040 I think for a short period of time was better 0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:00.920 than him. Now maybe would have did it a little longer. 0:50:01.040 --> 0:50:04.160 Yeah, so Kevin Fogg, Yeah, you had two games, two starts. 0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:06.560 I think that was it then for him, and they 0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:09.400 just had Ben Jarvis green Ellis. Fred Taylor only lasted seven. 0:50:09.520 --> 0:50:10.960 Fred Taylor was a disaster. 0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:14.759 Sammy Morris was around, so he's kind of more. This 0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:17.880 is twenty ten, still have Ben Jarvis green Ellis, who 0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:20.600 rushed for one thousand and eight yards with thirteen touchdowns. 0:50:20.600 --> 0:50:23.960 Not a bad year. Wood had had ninety seven attemts 0:50:24.000 --> 0:50:27.880 five hundred and forty seven yards, five touchdowns, thirty four 0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:29.480 receptions three hundred seventy nine yards. 0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:31.279 I mean Wood had filled a you know, he filled 0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:31.560 a role. 0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:32.960 That's what I liked. I mean, it wasn't so much 0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:35.800 the player. It was just more one of those situations 0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:37.759 I don't feel like you see very often where you're 0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:39.400 kind of in a bind. You sign a guy off 0:50:39.440 --> 0:50:41.080 the practice squad and he comes in and he you know, 0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:42.840 he was he was productive, He did fine. You know, 0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:45.080 it wasn't the disaster that it often would be if 0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:47.520 you had to grab somebody off another team's practice squad. 0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:52.080 Uh, back to the phones eight five five, Pats five hundred. 0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:59.400 Let's go to Florida. Brian, what's up? Brian and Florida. 0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:02.520 No, I don't. 0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:04.640 He's going once twice. 0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:05.799 Brian floes all right? 0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:06.800 I like the games. 0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:08.200 No, Brian in Florida. 0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:10.879 Rey agnew it was a good one. 0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:13.920 That's another topic we've been talking about in the past, 0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:18.120 and we talked about yesterday with jerseys. Barton Poland questioned, 0:51:18.200 --> 0:51:21.719 especially for Paul, is it that wearing jerseys as a 0:51:21.719 --> 0:51:23.680 whole isn't for you? Or is it the fact that 0:51:23.760 --> 0:51:26.040 you wear a jersey with another man's name on it. 0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:28.560 No, the other man's name doesn't really, Yeah, that doesn't. 0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:29.280 That doesn't bother. 0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:31.279 That's having your own name on it is a little 0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:32.080 bit weird. 0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:34.520 I of agree, like that's not That's not a big 0:51:34.560 --> 0:51:36.160 part of it for me. I just think it's weird. 0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:38.960 Wearing uniform I have no problem now if you wear 0:51:39.000 --> 0:51:44.480 it to a game, and again basketball excluded. I don't 0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:46.520 think you should wear a uniform to a basketball game. 0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:49.120 I tank the tank tops. That looks silly to me. 0:51:49.320 --> 0:51:52.279 But if you wear like a a Drake May shirt 0:51:52.320 --> 0:51:54.399 to a Patriots game, I don't have any I don't 0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:55.280 I don't have any issue. 0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:57.080 I think one of the coolest things to wear is 0:51:57.160 --> 0:52:00.600 a nice baseball shirt, nice button baseball shirt. Yeah, I 0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:02.680 just won't have it with somebody's name on it. 0:52:02.800 --> 0:52:03.160 Yeah. 0:52:03.200 --> 0:52:06.320 No, I think those are cool shirts to just wear around. 0:52:06.360 --> 0:52:07.920 I have a really cool one. It was one of 0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:09.480 the few times I've won something in an auction. 0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:11.600 It was like end of holy Cross and they had 0:52:11.640 --> 0:52:15.440 like a vintage holy Cross baseball jersey, you know, and 0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:19.640 I won the raffle Be baseball Well, that's the really one. 0:52:20.840 --> 0:52:22.160 I'd like to see it though, I would like to 0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:24.680 see you in it. I got some compliments on that, 0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:27.080 like it's, you know, the old school kind of baseball shirts. 0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:28.040 I like that. 0:52:28.120 --> 0:52:30.600 I had no problem in a game like out and 0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:32.680 about and it's like you're every day I got to 0:52:32.680 --> 0:52:33.240 wear a jersey. 0:52:33.360 --> 0:52:35.040 That might be a little too much, but I mean 0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:39.239 that's that's I guess my pushback is like people that 0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:40.840 wear them like all the time. 0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:45.799 So when it came to clothes, including uniforms, were the 0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:47.520 seventies the worst decade ever? 0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:50.640 By worst? Do you mean the best? No, I mean 0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:51.160 the worst? 0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:55.160 I think they were awesome especially in football and baseball. Yeah, 0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:58.120 I mean there was some misses, like the San Diego Padres. 0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:01.880 I mean those were Pittsburgh Pirates. Awesome, yeah, awesome. 0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:04.000 In all the different combinations. 0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:07.600 And they were wearing pullover shirts like they weren't even terrible. 0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:08.720 Yeah, terrible. 0:53:08.719 --> 0:53:11.560 Well, it's hard to know now because now bad is awesome, 0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:14.200 you know, like the bad stuff that was so terrible, 0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:16.239 that's awesome. That's how I kind of feel about that 0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:16.839 stuff now. 0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:19.319 But Fred and I have always been on opposite ends 0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:20.279 of the spectrum on that one. 0:53:20.280 --> 0:53:22.000 Well, I think like a lot of people like the 0:53:22.000 --> 0:53:24.920 Titans too, and they feel like those are kind of 0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:28.000 back to the simplicity design there is, you know, the 0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:30.800 Titans new uniforms, they've kind of gone back to those 0:53:31.120 --> 0:53:33.560 Houston red and light blue kind of color scheme a 0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:35.399 little bit. I know there's a lot of a lot 0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:38.160 of big fans of those, but going back to more 0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:41.040 of the simplicity, not like the dramatic weird. 0:53:40.880 --> 0:53:43.120 Lines and cut of the jerseys and stuff. 0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:50.719 All right, let's let's take a break, see if there's 0:53:50.719 --> 0:53:52.840 any you know, we got to get these people to 0:53:53.040 --> 0:53:53.880 update their reads. 0:53:53.880 --> 0:53:55.960 It's all the same reads, so you know all the. 0:53:55.920 --> 0:54:01.279 Messages, Toyota, Bob's Discount furniture, Bridge Stone, Right, Brunt, We 0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:04.200 love Brunt and bud Light. It's easier to drink, easier 0:54:04.239 --> 0:54:07.600 to enjoy. Bud Light, the official beer sponsor of the 0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:10.120 Knowing the Patriots. 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Agent 0:56:26.600 --> 0:56:28.040 eligibility varies by jurisdiction. 0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:36.920 And welcome to another edition of Pats from the Past podcast. 0:56:36.920 --> 0:56:39.719 It's Matt Smith alongside with Pop Rollow and we are 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:42.560 really pleased to be joined by number eighty in your scorecard, 0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:44.360 but number one in our hearts, at least for today, 0:56:44.640 --> 0:56:48.359 the great and I'm not we over use your word 0:56:48.400 --> 0:56:49.280 grade a lot of times. 0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:53.280 We're not overusual. Word using it today is irving prior irving. 0:56:53.360 --> 0:56:56.399 Thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate it, Matt. 0:56:56.480 --> 0:56:57.720 It's it's my pleasure. 0:56:57.719 --> 0:57:00.120 I don't get a chance to come back this way 0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:03.520 too often. But I'm here to watch the game today. 0:57:03.560 --> 0:57:06.600 I'm here to cheer the Patriots on. I'm also get 0:57:06.600 --> 0:57:08.560 a chance to see my son and my grandchildren because 0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:09.440 they're up here in Boston. 0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:11.959 That's great. Is that the impetus for coming back here? 0:57:12.200 --> 0:57:14.799 Because you're I mean, I just came back. Just to 0:57:14.800 --> 0:57:16.280 be honest, you no, right, right, I mean, it's like, 0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:17.960 what was your impetus? 0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:20.160 Because it's great when some of the people like, there's 0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:22.440 a lot of people aving in this area, and understandably so, 0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:25.760 think the franchise started in two thousand and one, and 0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:28.120 that's not the case, you know, so when somebody like 0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:30.840 you comes back here, you're literally franchise royalty. 0:57:31.320 --> 0:57:32.600 What was the impetus to come back here? 0:57:32.640 --> 0:57:34.720 Well, the impetus to come back was an email that 0:57:34.800 --> 0:57:39.360 I received from the Patriots organization inviting some of the alumni. 0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:43.560 Boss they put together an opportunity of program or an event. 0:57:43.640 --> 0:57:45.800 I guess you could call either one of those for 0:57:45.880 --> 0:57:47.360 us to come back and have a space for us 0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:50.560 where we can bring a couple of guests. And I'm 0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:53.000 real still good friends with Tony Collins. We stay in 0:57:53.000 --> 0:57:55.280 contact with one another, and he came several weeks ago, 0:57:55.560 --> 0:57:57.920 and I think he brought like nineteen cats with him 0:57:58.080 --> 0:58:00.240 and they all had Tony Collins jerseys on and I 0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:01.400 saw that he posted it. 0:58:01.480 --> 0:58:03.400 I saw it. I called him and he told me 0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:03.760 about it. 0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:07.360 So I responded to the email, got in touch with Jeff, 0:58:08.240 --> 0:58:09.880 talked with Kate, and here I am. 0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:11.080 That's great, that's great. 0:58:11.400 --> 0:58:15.280 Yeah, So first of all, what are you up to now? 0:58:15.320 --> 0:58:17.760 Before we get into memory lane? You know, what what 0:58:17.880 --> 0:58:19.400 have you been? I mean, you look like you could 0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:21.440 still play. Matt and I were joking with you ten. 0:58:21.360 --> 0:58:22.120 Start for sure. 0:58:22.160 --> 0:58:24.640 It looked like you could get out and jump in 0:58:24.640 --> 0:58:27.160 the X spot right now and run ten go routes. 0:58:27.200 --> 0:58:27.920 No problem. 0:58:28.320 --> 0:58:29.000 What are up to? 0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:33.240 I still do workout, and I work hard. So I'm 0:58:33.240 --> 0:58:33.720 working hard. 0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:35.959 I listen. I had some surgery a little while ago. 0:58:36.320 --> 0:58:41.360 I had a stone in my bladder, and yeah, that 0:58:41.480 --> 0:58:44.560 was a bad experience. So I'm doing the best that 0:58:44.560 --> 0:58:46.920 I can to stay as healthy as I can, and 0:58:46.960 --> 0:58:49.840 part of that is working out. But what I'm doing now, 0:58:50.240 --> 0:58:53.320 I've been doing the past what twenty five years now, almost, 0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:54.680 and that's I'm still pastoring. 0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:55.280 That's great. 0:58:55.480 --> 0:58:58.400 I'm actually pastoring at two different churches now, but I'm 0:58:58.400 --> 0:59:01.040 still doing that. You can't. I can't get away from it. 0:59:01.080 --> 0:59:03.840 I can't run from it. I tried several times, trust me, 0:59:04.200 --> 0:59:07.720 and it is what it is. It's a calling that 0:59:07.840 --> 0:59:10.479 you become a prisoner too, as the Apostle Paul says 0:59:10.520 --> 0:59:12.640 in scripture, and you can't get away from it. 0:59:12.680 --> 0:59:14.240 So I'm enjoying it. 0:59:14.720 --> 0:59:19.320 I love loving people, and we need love more than 0:59:19.360 --> 0:59:21.280 anything in today's world. 0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:22.680 Yep, you know it better than I do. 0:59:23.240 --> 0:59:28.000 So I do podcasts, I do some analysis with the 0:59:28.040 --> 0:59:32.080 Eagles down in Philadelphia, but most of my work, most 0:59:32.080 --> 0:59:34.600 of my attention, most of my focus is with the church. 0:59:34.840 --> 0:59:36.120 And when he sold, that's great. 0:59:37.200 --> 0:59:39.640 So let's go down memory lane, Irving, and I don't 0:59:39.680 --> 0:59:42.160 think a lot of younger people would remember. And you're 0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:46.800 in a fraternity or that's pretty select. There aren't many 0:59:47.040 --> 0:59:51.480 wide receivers that were selected number one overall in the draft. 0:59:51.520 --> 0:59:53.680 I know Kishan's one of them because I can remember 0:59:53.680 --> 0:59:56.120 that that was after me, right, And there's another gentleman 0:59:56.120 --> 0:59:58.320 whose name I can't remember a thing from the sixties. Yeah, 0:59:58.440 --> 1:00:00.919 you're the number one pick in the end NFL. What 1:00:01.040 --> 1:00:04.120 was that like for a kid coming out of Nebraska 1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:05.240 from South Jersey. 1:00:05.520 --> 1:00:06.920 What was that like at the time to be the 1:00:07.000 --> 1:00:07.920 number one pick. 1:00:07.680 --> 1:00:10.640 Overall, Well, it wasn't the pomping circumstance that you have 1:00:10.800 --> 1:00:13.880 now with all of the celebration and you know the 1:00:14.400 --> 1:00:17.000 you know, they they sell tickets to the draft now 1:00:17.080 --> 1:00:19.240 and there's thousands of people that show up in whatever 1:00:19.280 --> 1:00:20.360 city they're having the draft. 1:00:20.400 --> 1:00:22.640 It wasn't like that when I was drafted. 1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:26.360 I actually signed my contract before the draft, and probably 1:00:26.360 --> 1:00:27.920 by the time the draft came, I had spent like 1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:31.360 twenty five grand. But the day of the draft, they 1:00:31.400 --> 1:00:33.680 sent a car down to New Jersey, picked myself and 1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:37.440 my mother up. We went to the draft, they announced it, 1:00:38.000 --> 1:00:39.840 we did an interview, we got back in the car 1:00:39.960 --> 1:00:40.720 and went back home. 1:00:41.040 --> 1:00:44.440 That was as exciting as it was, I'm believing. 1:00:44.440 --> 1:00:47.560 But there's something interesting that I kind of just realized 1:00:47.600 --> 1:00:49.960 maybe several months ago I was doing an interview and 1:00:49.960 --> 1:00:53.080 began to talk about it and thinking about being drafted 1:00:53.520 --> 1:00:55.040 as the number one pick. 1:00:55.080 --> 1:00:56.600 But I was drafted as a wide receiver. 1:00:57.360 --> 1:01:01.360 I was a wingback in college, right, So as a 1:01:01.360 --> 1:01:04.240 wing back in college, my one on ones in practice 1:01:04.400 --> 1:01:08.000 were in a three point stance, blocking down on defensive 1:01:08.080 --> 1:01:09.560 ends or blocking linebackers. 1:01:10.000 --> 1:01:11.560 My one on ones in practice. 1:01:11.800 --> 1:01:16.000 Never at Nebraska were me standing up or even out 1:01:16.080 --> 1:01:19.240 split out running routes against the defensive back. So the 1:01:19.280 --> 1:01:22.360 first time I had ever run a route against the 1:01:22.400 --> 1:01:26.000 defensive back standing up was my first day in training camp. 1:01:26.400 --> 1:01:30.360 I had never done that before, and man. 1:01:30.240 --> 1:01:32.200 I got my behind with quite a few times because 1:01:32.920 --> 1:01:36.680 Raymond Clayborne and Rinning l Pet those guys did not play. 1:01:36.720 --> 1:01:40.160 They were great cornerbacks and I had to face them 1:01:40.160 --> 1:01:42.040 every day. So it was a learning curve for me 1:01:42.080 --> 1:01:44.440 that was pretty pretty long. It took me a minute 1:01:44.720 --> 1:01:47.400 to get my feet up underneath me to learn how 1:01:47.440 --> 1:01:48.960 to be a wide receiver, and we didn't throw the 1:01:48.960 --> 1:01:53.160 ball that much, and I really didn't become, I feel, 1:01:53.240 --> 1:01:56.080 a good receiver until I went to Miami where they 1:01:56.080 --> 1:01:56.840 focused on through it. 1:01:57.520 --> 1:01:59.720 So what was your experience, Like, you mentioned the guys 1:01:59.720 --> 1:02:02.080 in the d defensive side, but you had a pretty 1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:04.800 good wide receiver on the other side and Stanley in 1:02:04.840 --> 1:02:06.800 the Morgan Yeah, So what was it like sort of 1:02:07.280 --> 1:02:08.760 trying to pick his brain a little bit. 1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:12.520 Well, here's the story behind Stanley. So yes, I come in. 1:02:12.560 --> 1:02:15.120 I'm a wing back. I don't have a clue as 1:02:15.120 --> 1:02:17.400 to what I'm doing at the wide receiver position, so 1:02:17.720 --> 1:02:18.800 I know Stanley's here. 1:02:19.080 --> 1:02:20.000 I've heard of Stanley. 1:02:20.040 --> 1:02:23.800 I've actually watched him several times in games, and so 1:02:23.840 --> 1:02:26.320 I'm figuring I'm going to get some tootelitch from him 1:02:26.360 --> 1:02:27.560 and he's going to help me out. 1:02:27.800 --> 1:02:28.040 Well. 1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:30.840 When I got drafted, Ron Myers was the head coach YEP. 1:02:31.160 --> 1:02:34.200 Ron Myers was falling out with Stanley Morgan. They both 1:02:34.200 --> 1:02:36.360 were having a falling out. I think Ron was trying 1:02:36.360 --> 1:02:38.200 to get rid of Stanley. So when I came in, 1:02:38.640 --> 1:02:41.680 Ron put me at the same position as Stanley, so 1:02:41.760 --> 1:02:44.080 I was a threat to Stanley. 1:02:44.240 --> 1:02:45.760 He and Ron were going at it. 1:02:46.000 --> 1:02:47.960 I'm on the same side, so Stanley didn't talk to me. 1:02:48.400 --> 1:02:51.280 He didn't say a word to me. Halfway through my 1:02:51.360 --> 1:02:54.960 rookie year, Ron Myers gets fired, Raymond Barry comes in. 1:02:55.320 --> 1:02:57.000 Raymond Barry takes me and he puts me on the 1:02:57.000 --> 1:02:59.600 other side of Stanley. So now Stanley and I are 1:02:59.640 --> 1:03:02.400 playing at the same time, rather than me playing and 1:03:02.440 --> 1:03:04.360 Stanley on the side, or Stanley playing then me on 1:03:04.360 --> 1:03:07.320 the sideline. But Stanley the damage had already been done, 1:03:07.440 --> 1:03:08.360 so Stanley. 1:03:08.080 --> 1:03:09.120 Still wasn't talking to me. 1:03:09.160 --> 1:03:11.480 So my whole rookie year, and I don't blame him, 1:03:11.520 --> 1:03:14.240 but my whole rookie year, Stanley didn't say a word 1:03:14.280 --> 1:03:17.600 to me, not one single word, because I was a 1:03:17.640 --> 1:03:18.200 threat to him. 1:03:18.320 --> 1:03:20.200 Matt, We're not even ten minutes in and you're you're 1:03:20.200 --> 1:03:23.680 sort of finding out why the Patriots struggled so much. 1:03:25.240 --> 1:03:28.880 So one chapter, yeah, from Raymond, from from uh Rod 1:03:28.920 --> 1:03:29.920 Mars to Raymond. 1:03:29.680 --> 1:03:32.920 Barry to Rod Russ to Dick McPherson was one right 1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:34.560 after the ar So how did that ice? Did that 1:03:34.600 --> 1:03:35.520 ice ever get broken? 1:03:36.160 --> 1:03:40.600 It did get broken, probably more so the latter part 1:03:40.640 --> 1:03:43.000 of my second season. You know, we had that big 1:03:43.080 --> 1:03:44.640 run and we went to the super Bowl and lost 1:03:44.720 --> 1:03:47.040 the super Bowl. So that year, yeah, things kind of 1:03:47.080 --> 1:03:49.920 came together for us, but it was again, most of 1:03:49.960 --> 1:03:52.280 the damage that I was doing was on special team. 1:03:52.360 --> 1:03:54.640 Sure pump returner, sure catch if you passed it, but 1:03:54.680 --> 1:03:57.880 Stanley was was the go to guy. So most of 1:03:57.960 --> 1:04:01.240 my learning came from just watching. We really never did 1:04:01.280 --> 1:04:05.120 sit down and him instruct me or teach me or 1:04:05.160 --> 1:04:07.440 help me in that manner. Most of it came for 1:04:07.560 --> 1:04:10.000 me just watching him and learning that way. Going out 1:04:10.000 --> 1:04:11.360 and trying to do it myself. 1:04:14.520 --> 1:04:19.320 And now great moments in history. 1:04:19.680 --> 1:04:22.680 After slogging my way through the Major League Baseball Challenge 1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:26.080 discussion without jumping in front of busy traffic, I'm sorry. 1:04:26.120 --> 1:04:29.000 Paul mentioned something that made me think, what is everyone's 1:04:29.040 --> 1:04:32.280 favorite sports arguments to have? I'm friends with a few lawyers, 1:04:32.880 --> 1:04:34.640 so arguing is always what we're doing. 1:04:34.640 --> 1:04:35.440 But some of our. 1:04:35.320 --> 1:04:38.920 Best always revolved around whether Brady was a system quarterback 1:04:39.000 --> 1:04:42.880 or not. What are everyone's favorite or most enjoyable sports 1:04:43.000 --> 1:04:44.200 arguments to partake it? 1:04:44.320 --> 1:04:46.560 I mean, that's a dumb argument, like how many systems 1:04:46.560 --> 1:04:47.080 did you play? 1:04:47.080 --> 1:04:47.160 It? 1:04:47.400 --> 1:04:50.200 You have dumb friends, yeah, like dumb lawyer friends. I'm 1:04:50.200 --> 1:04:52.000 glad if I ever need a lawyer. I'm not calling 1:04:52.040 --> 1:04:53.040 your friends anyways. 1:04:53.240 --> 1:04:56.440 The one that I love the most is like the 1:04:56.680 --> 1:04:59.160 eras of athletes, Like if you were to put like 1:04:59.760 --> 1:05:03.120 Bill Russell and Bob Kouzi in the NBA today, like 1:05:03.160 --> 1:05:04.120 would they hold up? 1:05:04.240 --> 1:05:05.160 Would they be good? 1:05:05.520 --> 1:05:05.720 You know? 1:05:05.960 --> 1:05:07.200 Or would they be like. 1:05:07.600 --> 1:05:09.680 Out of the league, you know, not even competitive? 1:05:09.800 --> 1:05:11.480 And I think I love that argument too. 1:05:11.600 --> 1:05:14.800 But the thing that sometimes gets lost in that you 1:05:14.920 --> 1:05:17.520 have to be fair and say Bill Russell born today 1:05:17.640 --> 1:05:21.040 gets the same nutrition, the same training, the same everything, 1:05:21.480 --> 1:05:24.800 and then I just good, I just drop him in. 1:05:24.960 --> 1:05:25.040 No. 1:05:25.320 --> 1:05:27.480 I think Bill Russell would still be good no matter what. 1:05:27.640 --> 1:05:30.880 Okay, because because especially the way the game is played now, like. 1:05:30.880 --> 1:05:34.320 Well he's old and he's dead. Well that's the older. 1:05:34.400 --> 1:05:34.800 Is he dead? 1:05:35.440 --> 1:05:37.120 That's another great moment. 1:05:40.400 --> 1:05:43.360 Aaron Patriot's Unfiltered eighty five five Pats five hundred is 1:05:43.400 --> 1:05:46.920 the hotline podcast at Patriots dot com. Is the email 1:05:46.960 --> 1:05:50.040 address kind of an open forum today. 1:05:49.920 --> 1:05:50.760 Popping off out there. 1:05:50.760 --> 1:05:50.920 Fred. 1:05:50.920 --> 1:05:52.880 They're getting ready for that World Cup game tomorrow. It's 1:05:52.920 --> 1:05:55.760 just a slew of activity. It's very, very exciting, and 1:05:55.800 --> 1:05:57.200 I was wondering one of the how quick you think 1:05:57.200 --> 1:05:58.320 they get the grass out of there? 1:05:58.400 --> 1:05:59.240 Like how quick they put that? 1:05:59.400 --> 1:06:04.280 I think I think Friday they'll start taking It'll. 1:06:04.080 --> 1:06:06.000 Be like after the Jets loss in two thousand and six. 1:06:07.240 --> 1:06:08.040 It's gonna be. 1:06:08.000 --> 1:06:10.280 You talk about busy, there's gonna be a lot of 1:06:10.320 --> 1:06:13.720 busy bees ripping things apart and putting things back together 1:06:13.960 --> 1:06:15.440 starting on Friday. 1:06:15.840 --> 1:06:17.880 I think we get our couches back on Friday. 1:06:18.040 --> 1:06:23.800 We'll see. Yeah, the whole stadium's cold right now, I know. 1:06:24.560 --> 1:06:26.280 I mean that I would take a t of coke. 1:06:26.320 --> 1:06:29.160 I can't find one of those either. I'm sorry, I'm 1:06:29.200 --> 1:06:29.840 sure he's ready. 1:06:29.840 --> 1:06:30.200 I'm sure. 1:06:30.680 --> 1:06:33.160 All right, eight five five past five hundred. Let's get 1:06:33.200 --> 1:06:36.000 back to the phones. We'll start Brian, and Florida is 1:06:36.040 --> 1:06:41.560 going to give it another try. What's up, Brian? Brian, Oh, 1:06:41.800 --> 1:06:44.400 we'll be two strikes and you're out. 1:06:44.840 --> 1:06:45.160 Wow. 1:06:45.360 --> 1:06:47.000 Something tells me he's got us on mute. 1:06:47.520 --> 1:06:49.880 Either that or he's at work and he can't his 1:06:50.160 --> 1:06:53.080 boss just walk by, Uh, Sean's and Vancouver. 1:06:53.160 --> 1:06:53.880 What's up, Sean? 1:06:57.960 --> 1:06:59.120 There's another issue? 1:07:00.080 --> 1:07:01.920 What more phone stuff? 1:07:02.120 --> 1:07:05.800 Okay, all right. 1:07:06.720 --> 1:07:10.480 So you were talking about the World Cup game yesterday 1:07:10.520 --> 1:07:16.720 with Columbia Versus. Uh I can't remember, right, So, yeah, 1:07:16.760 --> 1:07:20.320 So I was here in Vancouver and like throughout the 1:07:20.320 --> 1:07:23.920 week there's like all these parades with with Colombian bands 1:07:24.080 --> 1:07:27.960 just closing traffic and it was insane. Like I was 1:07:27.960 --> 1:07:30.200 at a grocery store and the manager comes over says, 1:07:30.400 --> 1:07:33.320 no more deliveries. There's no trucks can get anywhere with 1:07:33.320 --> 1:07:36.360 the traffic. It was. It was insane. So I didn't 1:07:36.440 --> 1:07:38.400 really watch it. I didn't care about that game. But 1:07:38.480 --> 1:07:42.240 I'm I'm coming out into a hotel, and I can 1:07:42.320 --> 1:07:45.440 see by all these Colombians just the reaction. There are 1:07:45.440 --> 1:07:48.280 no others celebrating their just more somber. Oh, I guess 1:07:48.320 --> 1:07:50.440 there was a big upset today, so I saw that 1:07:50.520 --> 1:07:53.400 after the game. So that was that was kind of 1:07:53.440 --> 1:07:57.520 a strange World Cup experience for me. But in terms 1:07:57.560 --> 1:08:03.320 of the Patriots bar yesterday was or actually I heard 1:08:03.360 --> 1:08:07.040 it this morning because it was on twenty two. He 1:08:07.280 --> 1:08:10.320 was talking about bringing in the tight end where Brabel 1:08:10.320 --> 1:08:13.920 said he's gonna bring in another tight end and he 1:08:14.040 --> 1:08:16.719 was saying, well, I think you know, they'll probably wait 1:08:17.080 --> 1:08:19.640 until the end of August and see what they have. 1:08:20.040 --> 1:08:22.720 So but my question is more detailed. Are they going 1:08:22.800 --> 1:08:25.800 to wait and see what they have in terms of 1:08:26.040 --> 1:08:30.680 someone like Tannered if he can be a blocking tight end, 1:08:30.800 --> 1:08:34.320 or are they going to like also maybe consider well 1:08:34.400 --> 1:08:36.519 what's our roles where it does he look like he's 1:08:36.560 --> 1:08:38.120 going to be okay as a second tight end or 1:08:38.160 --> 1:08:41.599 we're just going to have a more kind of red 1:08:41.600 --> 1:08:44.400 shirt and see what he's at before they decide to 1:08:44.400 --> 1:08:46.320 bring in someone else. So I'll leave you with that. 1:08:46.479 --> 1:08:50.559 Okay, Thanks Sean, thank you. So it's an interesting question. 1:08:50.760 --> 1:08:52.960 I mean, I loved it when they had Julian Hill 1:08:53.000 --> 1:08:55.280 because it just felt like they had all their bases covered. 1:08:55.280 --> 1:08:58.439 You got reliable veteran Hunter Henry. It was great chemistry 1:08:58.479 --> 1:09:01.680 with Drake may Hill, who not only is you know, 1:09:01.760 --> 1:09:03.600 tough guy and can block and bring some attitude, but 1:09:03.600 --> 1:09:05.400 I think he could also if Hunter Henry got hurt, 1:09:05.439 --> 1:09:07.360 you could put Julian Hill in there and he could 1:09:07.360 --> 1:09:08.640 give you some snaps and you know, it. 1:09:08.640 --> 1:09:11.000 Wouldn't be too much of a drop off after that. 1:09:11.080 --> 1:09:13.800 There's you know, really a void. And I mean, I'd 1:09:13.800 --> 1:09:16.400 love to say that, oh, that's gonna force Raredan into 1:09:16.479 --> 1:09:19.040 the into the mix, but I think you're a Hunter 1:09:19.120 --> 1:09:21.880 Henry injury away from you can't do that to rered 1:09:21.920 --> 1:09:22.760 them right out of the gate. 1:09:22.880 --> 1:09:25.120 Like, So, I do you think they'll wait till the 1:09:25.200 --> 1:09:25.599 end of camp. 1:09:25.640 --> 1:09:26.640 I don't think they'll wait till the end. 1:09:26.640 --> 1:09:27.240 I don't know, though. 1:09:27.280 --> 1:09:29.040 I think they got to get somebody in there. 1:09:29.640 --> 1:09:34.080 I guarantee, if I guarantee, but better chance than not 1:09:34.439 --> 1:09:38.200 that somebody will become available who we haven't thought of 1:09:38.280 --> 1:09:38.719 right now. 1:09:39.000 --> 1:09:40.640 And that's and that's yeah, and that's I mean, and 1:09:40.840 --> 1:09:43.679 and maybe maybe they signed somebody as a camp body, 1:09:43.800 --> 1:09:47.000 and then someone shakes loose on cutdown day and and that, 1:09:47.160 --> 1:09:48.519 you know, maybe fills the need a little better. 1:09:48.479 --> 1:09:49.559 I don't think they'll wait that long. 1:09:49.640 --> 1:09:52.479 Yeah, I think they'll get someone in here for camp, 1:09:52.600 --> 1:09:55.719 or at least early in camp so he can actually 1:09:55.920 --> 1:09:57.400 have a chance to assimilate. Y. 1:09:57.479 --> 1:09:59.360 I mean, Farrell Brown, I don't know he's I mean, 1:09:59.400 --> 1:10:01.040 he's what his he's thirty two. 1:10:01.240 --> 1:10:03.000 Yeah, I don't know who. Yeah, I don't know who. 1:10:03.080 --> 1:10:04.240 It's going to be, tough dude. 1:10:04.240 --> 1:10:06.680 But I'm just saying, if you want a guy, if 1:10:06.720 --> 1:10:09.000 you feel like you need somebody to be on the roster, 1:10:09.960 --> 1:10:11.640 I don't think you want to wait till the end 1:10:11.680 --> 1:10:12.040 of camp. 1:10:12.120 --> 1:10:13.599 Yeah, I want to bring someone in so we can 1:10:13.640 --> 1:10:14.320 learn the offense. 1:10:14.400 --> 1:10:14.559 Yeah. 1:10:14.720 --> 1:10:16.479 But I mean, you know, if it was a John 1:10:16.560 --> 1:10:19.080 HU Smith or I mean, I'm blanking on what year 1:10:19.640 --> 1:10:20.439 Farah Brown was here. 1:10:20.439 --> 1:10:22.439 I don't think he crossed paths with Josh Mattanas. 1:10:22.479 --> 1:10:23.880 I think he was like twenty two or twenty three 1:10:23.880 --> 1:10:25.160 somewhere in there right after he left. 1:10:25.200 --> 1:10:26.200 But you know, John U. 1:10:26.240 --> 1:10:29.599 Smith had some experience, and I just think he's more 1:10:29.640 --> 1:10:31.840 of you know, kind of like Hunter Henry. But I 1:10:31.840 --> 1:10:33.720 don't know they brought both those guys in before and 1:10:33.760 --> 1:10:35.559 they saw some kind of way they could work together. 1:10:35.640 --> 1:10:37.599 I mean, it's not the craziest thing in the world. 1:10:38.120 --> 1:10:41.040 Yesterday I was talking about how I admire the skin 1:10:41.240 --> 1:10:46.080 of the Scandinavian people, and I included Finland in the 1:10:46.120 --> 1:10:49.439 Netherlands and that, and I'm being corrected by Simon from Denmark. 1:10:49.520 --> 1:10:50.960 I don't remember you saying everyone. 1:10:51.000 --> 1:10:53.880 He says the Netherlands and therefore the Dutch. I might 1:10:53.920 --> 1:10:57.000 have said the Dutch aren't part of Scandinavia. Neither is Finland, 1:10:57.240 --> 1:11:00.439 but Denmark is. And as we didn't qualify for the 1:11:00.439 --> 1:11:03.560 World Cup, I hope Norway wins it all. So I'm 1:11:03.640 --> 1:11:06.360 just talking about that whole North Sea region. Yeah, sure, 1:11:06.400 --> 1:11:10.240 you know, like they have good skin, it's pure. Yeah, 1:11:10.439 --> 1:11:13.160 it's I don't mean the color. I mean the like 1:11:13.280 --> 1:11:13.799 no acne. 1:11:13.880 --> 1:11:15.960 Yeah, not a lot of sign I haven't ever seen 1:11:16.000 --> 1:11:17.160 anyone with a post line. 1:11:17.200 --> 1:11:24.360 Yes, yeah, so safe, no UV, that's it. 1:11:24.520 --> 1:11:26.320 You know, there's no sun that never comes out. 1:11:26.560 --> 1:11:28.280 I saw a funny meme that was like a guy 1:11:28.280 --> 1:11:31.479 on England and looked like the prototypical English player. I 1:11:31.760 --> 1:11:33.120 don't know who, I forget what his name is. I'm 1:11:33.160 --> 1:11:34.320 sure people know, but there was you know, it was 1:11:34.360 --> 1:11:36.760 just the English guy and then Holland, who looks like 1:11:36.800 --> 1:11:39.200 the prototypical Viking, and it just looked like if you 1:11:39.240 --> 1:11:42.479 were gonna, you know, line up these two prototypes from 1:11:42.520 --> 1:11:45.320 these two different places. These guys kind of embody it completely. 1:11:45.360 --> 1:11:49.120 But do you know that Holland technically not technically I 1:11:49.120 --> 1:11:51.200 mean he can play for England if he wanted. 1:11:51.280 --> 1:11:52.879 No, really, Yeah, he was born. 1:11:52.720 --> 1:11:58.120 In England and grew up in England to Norwegian parents. 1:11:59.080 --> 1:11:59.240 Right. 1:11:59.280 --> 1:12:00.519 Well, his dad was on the team, right, I have 1:12:00.680 --> 1:12:02.720 a bunch of pictures of his dad was previously on. 1:12:03.160 --> 1:12:03.400 Yeah. 1:12:03.439 --> 1:12:05.280 Yeah, he's a machine, so he could he could just 1:12:05.320 --> 1:12:07.479 as easily have played for England, but he opted to 1:12:07.479 --> 1:12:08.280 play for Norway. 1:12:08.360 --> 1:12:08.559 Yeah. 1:12:08.560 --> 1:12:10.840 It's been it's been fun watching the really talented guys. 1:12:10.840 --> 1:12:12.960 I mean I think that's been what I've enjoyed the 1:12:13.000 --> 1:12:15.880 most of this World Cup is cluing in on I mean, 1:12:15.880 --> 1:12:17.840 seeing MESSI still doing it at a high level, and 1:12:17.880 --> 1:12:19.639 you know, just seeing Holland the way he plays. 1:12:19.800 --> 1:12:23.519 Can I ask you a soccer question, Fred? Okay, So 1:12:23.640 --> 1:12:27.320 I didn't know that about Holland. If if he played, 1:12:28.320 --> 1:12:31.960 if he had played for England. How how could that 1:12:32.000 --> 1:12:33.360 work with him and Harry Kane. 1:12:34.840 --> 1:12:37.000 It's true they kind of play the same position. 1:12:37.439 --> 1:12:39.120 Strike would they be able to like can you do 1:12:39.200 --> 1:12:41.120 that in soccer? Can you can you find a way 1:12:41.120 --> 1:12:42.879 to have two like really gifted? 1:12:43.000 --> 1:12:46.400 Well, I don't know the gifted out for this. The 1:12:46.600 --> 1:12:49.519 US employed the dual striker system. 1:12:49.680 --> 1:12:51.760 Okay, So that's why I'm asking because the stuff, I 1:12:51.800 --> 1:12:52.080 don't know. 1:12:52.040 --> 1:12:54.960 If you can do it, but it you know, how 1:12:55.080 --> 1:12:57.840 much is I mean? Kane plays back and I think 1:12:58.040 --> 1:13:01.360 both of them played defense, you know, but like a 1:13:01.400 --> 1:13:04.639 guy like right now, Ronaldo, he ain't playing any defense, 1:13:05.000 --> 1:13:06.639 you know, and that's one of the problems with him 1:13:06.640 --> 1:13:11.720 in Portugal. MESSI he'll he'll play back. He plays a 1:13:11.720 --> 1:13:15.320 little defense. But how much are you giving up? I 1:13:15.360 --> 1:13:17.559 haven't two strikers, you know, I don't know, but that 1:13:17.600 --> 1:13:19.639 would be a good problem to. 1:13:19.600 --> 1:13:23.000 Have, huh, Harry Kane and Earlin Holland on the same team. 1:13:23.040 --> 1:13:25.599 And it was Harry Kane a big Patriots fan, right 1:13:25.640 --> 1:13:28.000 I've seen is we use a big Brady fan Brady 1:13:28.040 --> 1:13:31.280 fan okay, okay, okay, and Christian Gonzalis. 1:13:31.320 --> 1:13:34.599 I think war is uniform into one of the games. 1:13:34.640 --> 1:13:38.320 Yeah he did. Harry Kane is sorry his kit he's 1:13:38.360 --> 1:13:39.599 associated with my back. 1:13:39.760 --> 1:13:41.880 Yeah, yeah, I've seen a little bit of that, Harry, 1:13:42.320 --> 1:13:45.320 as he should. 1:13:46.360 --> 1:13:49.040 Anthony writes in years ago, when Dion Lewis was on 1:13:49.120 --> 1:13:51.120 the team, I had an hour long argument with my 1:13:51.160 --> 1:13:53.320 friends because I said he was one of the most. 1:13:53.080 --> 1:13:54.519 Elusive backs in the NFL. 1:13:55.120 --> 1:13:57.880 They insisted I was wrong, and then I was wearing 1:13:57.880 --> 1:14:01.479 my Patriots goggles. They're Giants fans. It wasn't until years 1:14:01.560 --> 1:14:04.960 later his highlight touchdown against Dallas that my friends finally 1:14:05.000 --> 1:14:05.720 agreed with me. 1:14:06.160 --> 1:14:07.599 The vindication was excellent. 1:14:07.840 --> 1:14:10.880 Years later, the touchdown against Dallas. How many years did 1:14:10.920 --> 1:14:12.160 you play for the Patriots? 1:14:12.200 --> 1:14:15.360 In their defense, I once said Aaron Dobson was going 1:14:15.400 --> 1:14:20.080 to be the guy that I appreciate that the late 1:14:20.120 --> 1:14:21.120 self deprecation of. 1:14:21.080 --> 1:14:22.880 That brief moment in time. 1:14:22.960 --> 1:14:24.960 When I say brief moment, I mean like a span 1:14:25.040 --> 1:14:28.160 of three or four games. Deon Lewis was like the 1:14:28.160 --> 1:14:31.920 most elusive man in the NFL for that small period 1:14:31.920 --> 1:14:34.000 of time. It was amazing what he was doing. 1:14:34.040 --> 1:14:36.240 I don't know about NFL, but he was electric for 1:14:36.320 --> 1:14:40.599 a short period of time here, he was very, very productive, because. 1:14:40.520 --> 1:14:42.160 I mean it was knee injuries, right like he had, 1:14:43.439 --> 1:14:45.400 and then he came back do what he did. 1:14:45.280 --> 1:14:46.320 And then he wasn't the same. 1:14:47.200 --> 1:14:49.720 He tours acl against Washington in the middle of one 1:14:49.760 --> 1:14:51.599 of those seasons, and he was really never the same. 1:14:51.640 --> 1:14:53.719 But he had that game against Houston in the playoffs 1:14:53.720 --> 1:14:56.280 that was unbelievable, a three touchdown game. I think he 1:14:56.320 --> 1:14:57.880 had a kickoff return in that one. 1:14:58.680 --> 1:15:00.200 Yeah, I mean it was never on a this is 1:15:00.200 --> 1:15:02.160 looking at like his I mean, it was really that 1:15:02.200 --> 1:15:04.600 twenty eighteen season he had a you know that was 1:15:04.640 --> 1:15:06.000 where that Dallas game was. 1:15:07.439 --> 1:15:09.320 Ll Maybe that wasn't that Dallas game now I guess 1:15:09.320 --> 1:15:09.519 it was. 1:15:09.560 --> 1:15:12.160 Sorry, yeah, but now, I mean just so many of 1:15:12.240 --> 1:15:15.880 his seasons were just cut short, Yeah, by injury. 1:15:16.800 --> 1:15:19.640 All right, Brian must really have something he wants to 1:15:19.640 --> 1:15:22.120 talk to us to the third time, Brian and Florida. 1:15:22.160 --> 1:15:22.599 What's up? 1:15:23.760 --> 1:15:24.760 Hey, can you guys hear me? 1:15:25.200 --> 1:15:25.840 Yeah? 1:15:25.920 --> 1:15:28.040 Yeah, all right, cool? Cool. 1:15:28.880 --> 1:15:31.840 So I'm calling because I've been working on something that 1:15:32.200 --> 1:15:34.720 I wanted to run by some sports guys, and you 1:15:34.760 --> 1:15:37.000 guys are probably the best sports guys to talk to 1:15:37.040 --> 1:15:42.720 about this because you're Tom Brady people. So basically you 1:15:42.720 --> 1:15:44.720 know how people talk about who the goat is, and 1:15:44.800 --> 1:15:47.519 it's pretty much undisputed that Tom Brady's the goat in 1:15:47.600 --> 1:15:53.000 terms of quarterbacks, you know, Lebron versus MJ. Everyone debates 1:15:53.000 --> 1:15:55.240 these things. So I created a tool that I was 1:15:55.280 --> 1:15:58.080 hoping you guys could give me some critical feedback on 1:16:00.080 --> 1:16:04.760 that measures the best quarterback. So it's, uh, I have 1:16:04.800 --> 1:16:06.160 a tool, Is it okay? 1:16:06.520 --> 1:16:07.479 But anyway? Go ahead? 1:16:09.479 --> 1:16:11.080 It is it cool if I give you my website? 1:16:11.720 --> 1:16:16.360 Yeah? Sure, as long as it's you know, not born. 1:16:17.040 --> 1:16:19.439 Are we trying to determine who the best quarterback is 1:16:19.439 --> 1:16:20.120 by numbers? 1:16:21.640 --> 1:16:24.679 Yeah, Paul's out. 1:16:25.000 --> 1:16:28.960 Yeah, So it's a decision Vision dot Com. 1:16:29.040 --> 1:16:32.799 Decision Vision, okay dot Com. 1:16:32.200 --> 1:16:37.519 Then, and there's a sport thank you sir. If you 1:16:37.560 --> 1:16:41.080 go to the sports section, there's a calculator called NFL 1:16:41.240 --> 1:16:45.600 Goat and it's got sixteen factors on there that you 1:16:45.640 --> 1:16:48.920 can choose and then you rank those factors to actually 1:16:48.960 --> 1:16:51.800 come up with a real number. And so what I'm 1:16:51.840 --> 1:16:55.240 what I'm asking you about is the factors. Want I 1:16:55.240 --> 1:16:57.599 want better factors. I think I have pretty good ones, 1:16:57.640 --> 1:16:59.760 but there's a couple on there that I think, like, 1:17:00.120 --> 1:17:03.160 like what matters to real sports people as to who 1:17:03.200 --> 1:17:06.120 the actual best is, and like what am I missing? 1:17:07.000 --> 1:17:08.639 I'm just starting this out and I want to get 1:17:08.640 --> 1:17:09.679 it to be really great. 1:17:11.880 --> 1:17:13.640 I mean, it's it's to me. 1:17:14.240 --> 1:17:17.920 For a quarterback, it's how you perform in the most 1:17:17.960 --> 1:17:22.000 critical situations. You know, forget about playoffs, but third down, 1:17:22.280 --> 1:17:26.720 third and long, fourth quarter comebacks, fourth quarter comebacks, and 1:17:26.760 --> 1:17:29.080 then you know, playoff games. Now, a lot of teams, 1:17:29.120 --> 1:17:31.000 a lot of players don't have that opportunity. 1:17:31.040 --> 1:17:33.559 But I agree, you know, I agree with you guys. 1:17:33.560 --> 1:17:36.639 And it's more like the reason why I was half 1:17:36.760 --> 1:17:38.679 joking when I said I'm out, But I just don't 1:17:38.680 --> 1:17:41.960 think there's formulas that to pick something that's so subjective, 1:17:42.520 --> 1:17:45.599 you know, Fred and I can watch something and think 1:17:45.640 --> 1:17:47.760 one thing. Mike might watch the same thing and think 1:17:47.800 --> 1:17:50.799 something totally different. Like and that's the beauty of sports, 1:17:50.880 --> 1:17:53.840 Like it's you know, if it was just about numbers, 1:17:54.240 --> 1:17:57.160 you wouldn't need three idiots to come on for your 1:17:57.200 --> 1:17:59.400 lunch day and tell you what happened. You could look 1:17:59.439 --> 1:18:01.479 at the school board yourself. It's one of my biggest 1:18:01.720 --> 1:18:04.519 pushbacks with Mike Felger and Tony Maserati when I go 1:18:04.600 --> 1:18:06.600 on with slaves to the school board. But what do 1:18:06.640 --> 1:18:09.160 I need you for. I can read the paper and 1:18:09.160 --> 1:18:10.720 figure out who won too. I don't even have to 1:18:10.720 --> 1:18:13.360 watch the game, but I think there's a different thing 1:18:13.439 --> 1:18:16.639 that happens during the course of the game. Fourth quarter comebacks. Yeah, 1:18:16.640 --> 1:18:18.519 I can tabulate all the fourth quarter to coming. They're 1:18:18.560 --> 1:18:21.360 not all made the same. You know, one fourth quarter 1:18:21.439 --> 1:18:26.120 comeback down four needing a touchdown, like say in Cleveland 1:18:26.160 --> 1:18:29.200 in the AFC Championship game, in terrible weather, when nothing's 1:18:29.200 --> 1:18:31.479 going right. That John Elway takes a team ninety eight 1:18:31.520 --> 1:18:33.559 yards means a hell of a lot more to me 1:18:33.920 --> 1:18:36.680 than a guy who threw like one crossing route over 1:18:36.720 --> 1:18:38.439 the middle and they kicked a fifty yard field goal 1:18:38.479 --> 1:18:42.320 to win. They're both fourth quarter comebacks. But my eyes, 1:18:42.920 --> 1:18:46.120 in my experience, needed to differentiate those two things, right 1:18:46.600 --> 1:18:47.920 the context. 1:18:47.640 --> 1:18:51.680 Exactly you're hitting on. Exactly why I created this calculator, 1:18:51.720 --> 1:18:54.639 because all these numbers don't mean anything if you don't 1:18:54.680 --> 1:18:57.799 actually rank the statistics in terms of what you care about, 1:18:58.000 --> 1:19:01.519 and the actual result changes. Whereas you know, if you 1:19:01.680 --> 1:19:04.800 if you factor certain things, Drew Brees comes up as 1:19:04.960 --> 1:19:07.360 the best, and if you factor in things like fourth 1:19:07.400 --> 1:19:10.720 quarter comebacks. Probably Tom Brady factors into that. So I 1:19:10.760 --> 1:19:12.720 was hoping you guys could take a look at my calculator. 1:19:12.720 --> 1:19:15.840 It's pretty I think revolutionary for the conversations that people 1:19:15.880 --> 1:19:19.320 are having around who the best is. I understand statistics, 1:19:19.520 --> 1:19:23.479 but this actually does the calculations for you by taking 1:19:23.520 --> 1:19:26.240 the things that you care about and ranking those things 1:19:26.280 --> 1:19:28.280 that you care about and then applying it to the 1:19:28.320 --> 1:19:31.720 actual statistics. So it's not perfect, but it can get 1:19:31.800 --> 1:19:34.760 us a lot. Like where we have conversations around statistics, 1:19:34.800 --> 1:19:39.080 this can actually center it and you can actually manipulate 1:19:39.160 --> 1:19:41.880 the data to show you what who the best is? 1:19:41.920 --> 1:19:45.479 Okay, so right now I'll tell you have do you 1:19:45.560 --> 1:19:46.960 have a conclusion? 1:19:47.040 --> 1:19:47.479 Right now? 1:19:47.560 --> 1:19:50.720 I know you can change it, but right now, who's. 1:19:50.400 --> 1:19:51.280 The leader of the pack? 1:19:53.360 --> 1:19:56.120 So it depends on how you measure. There's there's sixteen 1:19:56.200 --> 1:19:58.600 total factors to choose from. You can use up to 1:19:58.680 --> 1:20:03.360 eight and if I already use like super Bowl MVP's 1:20:04.520 --> 1:20:10.400 super Bowl winning percentage, passing touchdowns, all those things factor 1:20:10.439 --> 1:20:15.479 together and you get Tom Brady easily. Tom Brady. But 1:20:15.560 --> 1:20:20.240 believe it or not, when you factor in MVPs and 1:20:20.400 --> 1:20:24.080 the winning percentages and Pat Mahomes is number two. He 1:20:24.120 --> 1:20:27.160 actually beats out Eli Manning. So it really depends on 1:20:27.240 --> 1:20:30.800 how you actually what you weigh. More. If you weigh 1:20:30.920 --> 1:20:35.040 super Bowl wins first, super Bowl MVP, second, super Bowl 1:20:35.040 --> 1:20:39.360 winning percentage third, and then passing touchdowns fourth, Tom Brady 1:20:39.400 --> 1:20:42.479 is number one, Pat Mahomes is number two, Eli's three, 1:20:42.640 --> 1:20:43.639 and so on so forth. 1:20:43.800 --> 1:20:51.840 You keep saying Eli, You mean Eli, not Peyton Eli Manning. Yeah, yes, sir, Yeah, 1:20:51.920 --> 1:20:53.840 so that you wouldn't even be It wouldn't even be 1:20:53.880 --> 1:20:54.519 in my database. 1:20:54.600 --> 1:20:55.679 Right, It's it's flawed. 1:20:55.800 --> 1:21:00.720 I mean, right, he can't be better than wad Antana 1:21:01.200 --> 1:21:02.320 or Peyton Manning. 1:21:02.920 --> 1:21:05.040 Peyton won two too, Yeah right. 1:21:05.120 --> 1:21:08.120 So like well one of them he won. He was there, 1:21:08.160 --> 1:21:08.760 he was on the. 1:21:08.720 --> 1:21:10.760 Team Fred he won two. 1:21:11.000 --> 1:21:12.880 I know, I know, but that's the point. 1:21:13.520 --> 1:21:16.280 Without him, If they kept Brockross while they were playing quarterback, 1:21:16.280 --> 1:21:17.519 they ain't winning that super Bowl. 1:21:17.520 --> 1:21:17.920 Okay. 1:21:18.200 --> 1:21:21.920 But so debate can be solved everything that we're talking 1:21:21.920 --> 1:21:24.120 about right now. Can you can actually plug in the 1:21:24.120 --> 1:21:26.920 factors that matter to you. I chose four factors that 1:21:26.960 --> 1:21:28.960 you don't agree with. If you go back and you 1:21:29.040 --> 1:21:31.680 choose the factors that actually do matter to you, then 1:21:31.680 --> 1:21:33.599 you can actually see you see, I'm going. 1:21:33.600 --> 1:21:35.720 To take a look at it after the show, Brian, absolutely, 1:21:35.920 --> 1:21:40.759 Division Vision dot Com. Right, decision, decision, decision, Vision Vision 1:21:40.800 --> 1:21:41.160 dot Com. 1:21:41.240 --> 1:21:42.320 Yeah, I'm going to take a look at it. 1:21:42.560 --> 1:21:44.080 Do you have the same for basketball? 1:21:45.560 --> 1:21:48.599 I dude, that's the cool one. The Lebron versus MJ 1:21:48.840 --> 1:21:52.360 versus everybody that's in there too, n b A, NFL, 1:21:52.800 --> 1:21:55.479 Scott Tennis, UFC. I got all of that on there. 1:21:55.640 --> 1:21:59.800 Okay, all right, yeah, thanks, yeah, thanks for sharing that. 1:22:00.040 --> 1:22:02.040 Where do you what's your background? Are you like a 1:22:02.240 --> 1:22:04.080 data analyst or what's your background? 1:22:06.000 --> 1:22:06.320 Yeah? 1:22:06.360 --> 1:22:09.920 So basically, I create incentive systems for sales teams to 1:22:10.000 --> 1:22:13.040 determine who deserves the best leads. So what we would 1:22:13.040 --> 1:22:15.960 do is take a whole sales team and measure all 1:22:16.000 --> 1:22:18.960 the things that a salesperson does in terms of productivity 1:22:19.000 --> 1:22:21.599 and how hard they work. And actually we created lead 1:22:21.640 --> 1:22:25.240 allocation systems based on a power ranking. So I took 1:22:25.280 --> 1:22:27.400 that same logic of power ranking sales. 1:22:30.760 --> 1:22:38.479 Yeah, yeah, right, always closing, ABC A, b CS, CAS. 1:22:38.560 --> 1:22:41.960 Okay, all right, well Brian, that's cool. We will check it. 1:22:41.920 --> 1:22:46.200 Out and yeah we will if you Yeah, we will. 1:22:46.040 --> 1:22:48.040 Review it and I'm sure Evan will hate it. 1:22:48.120 --> 1:22:50.920 But Evan will absolutely despise. 1:22:50.560 --> 1:22:52.679 It because he didn't come up with it. That's cool. 1:22:53.040 --> 1:22:56.840 I'm glad you still like it. He has to choose 1:22:56.840 --> 1:22:58.320 his own factors. That's the whole thing. 1:22:58.560 --> 1:23:02.200 Yeah, okay, so if you come back, all right, thanks. 1:23:02.360 --> 1:23:05.680 See, I wouldn't include super Bowl wins, so I don't 1:23:05.720 --> 1:23:06.400 think that's fair. 1:23:06.640 --> 1:23:06.920 I don't. 1:23:06.920 --> 1:23:10.600 I don't mind including super Bowl wins. Super Bowl winning percentage, 1:23:10.640 --> 1:23:13.080 to me, doesn't make a lot of sense because I 1:23:13.080 --> 1:23:15.479 think you're penalizing someone for achieving more. 1:23:15.920 --> 1:23:16.960 As we always said. 1:23:16.960 --> 1:23:19.800 In other words, Montana wins every time if you no. 1:23:19.880 --> 1:23:22.639 But what I'm saying is like Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, 1:23:23.479 --> 1:23:26.680 Peyton Manning's two and one, Eli Manning's two and zero. 1:23:28.439 --> 1:23:31.880 What's the bigger accomplishment getting to three and winning two 1:23:32.120 --> 1:23:33.200 or only getting to two? 1:23:33.600 --> 1:23:34.479 Right? Right? 1:23:35.360 --> 1:23:38.360 Like I've never understood the argument, you know, and this 1:23:38.439 --> 1:23:40.519 has been put to rest because Brady put it away 1:23:40.520 --> 1:23:44.680 with seven titles. But like Brady was always banged for 1:23:44.720 --> 1:23:49.200 the super Bowl losses that Montana didn't have. Like I 1:23:49.200 --> 1:23:53.479 would much rather go ten times and lose three then 1:23:53.880 --> 1:23:56.120 only go four times and win all four. 1:23:56.120 --> 1:24:00.360 Yeah, yeah, so, but it's interesting, so we will take 1:24:00.360 --> 1:24:00.879 a look. 1:24:00.760 --> 1:24:04.400 At like a conference. Conference championships don't matter, you know, 1:24:04.680 --> 1:24:07.080 because Joe Montana got knocked out of the playoffs before 1:24:07.080 --> 1:24:08.720 he got to the super Bowl, right, he has just 1:24:08.760 --> 1:24:13.000 as many playoff losses as everybody else. And I like Joe. Man, 1:24:13.360 --> 1:24:15.240 this is not slam in Joe Montana. But I'm just 1:24:15.240 --> 1:24:17.439 saying it's a little flawed to go by super Bowl 1:24:17.520 --> 1:24:19.120 winning percentage, you know. 1:24:19.160 --> 1:24:23.839 But like just the eye test, John Elway was probably 1:24:23.840 --> 1:24:24.120 the best. 1:24:24.200 --> 1:24:27.040 John always the answer to the question for me, he's 1:24:27.080 --> 1:24:27.800 the best. 1:24:27.600 --> 1:24:32.320 Like you know, the arm, the running, everything, the amount 1:24:32.360 --> 1:24:33.080 that he had to do. 1:24:33.160 --> 1:24:34.760 This is why I say, like it's I. 1:24:34.760 --> 1:24:38.160 Don't really like mathematical formulas to determine these things because 1:24:39.160 --> 1:24:40.679 because you're wrong, let me tell. 1:24:40.560 --> 1:24:44.280 You what the number right here? Boom argument over. 1:24:44.439 --> 1:24:47.080 I think Freddy, and this is one that I feel 1:24:47.080 --> 1:24:49.000 comfortable with because I know Freddy feels the same way. 1:24:49.040 --> 1:24:53.719 But like when you watched a guy do so much 1:24:54.160 --> 1:24:57.760 for the team and you knew, like you take that 1:24:57.880 --> 1:25:01.800 guy out. This team is very pedestrian in there's no 1:25:01.960 --> 1:25:05.720 number to put, there's no qualifier, there's no stat that says, well, 1:25:05.800 --> 1:25:09.320 you know what, Well, actually Brady meant more to his team, 1:25:09.439 --> 1:25:12.400 Like you can't quantify it, you just have to sort 1:25:12.439 --> 1:25:15.720 of experience it and see it and like wow that 1:25:15.840 --> 1:25:17.800 really that team would really be nothing if it wonder 1:25:17.880 --> 1:25:20.440 for those kind of clutch performances. 1:25:19.680 --> 1:25:21.519 They made, you know, a big deal about the three 1:25:21.560 --> 1:25:25.800 amigos at Denver. Those guys weren't that good? Elway made 1:25:25.800 --> 1:25:26.240 them good? 1:25:26.360 --> 1:25:31.200 Yeah, you know, Yeah, Rodney's in Foxborough. What's up, Rodney? 1:25:31.600 --> 1:25:34.679 Why don't you just come by? 1:25:34.840 --> 1:25:36.639 I'll we're in lockdown. 1:25:39.320 --> 1:25:42.920 First, I love that Paul complimented the name and then 1:25:42.920 --> 1:25:45.600 immediately did not have the correct name right afterwards. 1:25:45.960 --> 1:25:47.800 So that was no, yeah, no, that's true. 1:25:47.800 --> 1:25:48.080 I did. 1:25:48.080 --> 1:25:49.679 I butchered that I did. 1:25:50.160 --> 1:25:53.120 Yeah, but decisions in. 1:25:53.240 --> 1:25:57.240 Such since twenty eleven, and this is my first time 1:25:57.360 --> 1:25:59.439 calling what I want to call. 1:26:00.120 --> 1:26:02.040 So I actually want to hit on a couple. 1:26:01.880 --> 1:26:04.320 Of things quickly. One, I think the cultural thing on 1:26:04.400 --> 1:26:07.400 soccer is totally it. I actually grew up the first 1:26:07.439 --> 1:26:09.960 eight years of my life in Paraguay, so you know, 1:26:09.960 --> 1:26:12.840 that was a pretty thrilling game. The World Cup's always 1:26:12.880 --> 1:26:14.920 been so much fun for me to watch. But I 1:26:14.920 --> 1:26:18.920 feel like it's just we don't in the US, we 1:26:18.920 --> 1:26:21.559 really don't play like soccer. We don't really It's like 1:26:21.600 --> 1:26:25.080 we don't emphasize things like kicking a ball. So I 1:26:25.120 --> 1:26:27.559 feel like, not that you can't, but there's just so 1:26:27.640 --> 1:26:30.360 many other things that we have to play. So, I mean, 1:26:30.640 --> 1:26:34.200 it's been hit on, but I just felt like in Alex, 1:26:34.320 --> 1:26:36.640 I feel like hit it pretty well in culture and 1:26:37.000 --> 1:26:41.559 I think everything similar. So yeah, and even when I 1:26:41.600 --> 1:26:43.439 was there, I mean, I was a big American kid, 1:26:43.439 --> 1:26:45.120 so they put me in goal. They basically didn't want 1:26:45.120 --> 1:26:47.719 anything to do with me kicking a soccer ball around either. 1:26:47.760 --> 1:26:51.200 So so anyway, that was just one thing that I 1:26:51.240 --> 1:26:54.599 wanted to chime in on that. But then also, Fred, 1:26:54.960 --> 1:26:58.000 mister boss man, I need you to get Alex on 1:26:58.040 --> 1:27:01.360 the show the time. I feel like she adds so 1:27:01.520 --> 1:27:03.840 much the show. I was hoping that she was going 1:27:03.880 --> 1:27:07.920 to be on today, but I think it's Paul's hit 1:27:07.960 --> 1:27:11.280 this a bunch of times. She knows a lot about 1:27:11.320 --> 1:27:14.160 a lot of things, and I feel like she brings 1:27:14.280 --> 1:27:16.200 different a different side of the conversation. I know she 1:27:16.280 --> 1:27:18.280 might have other things, but I got to believe you've 1:27:18.280 --> 1:27:20.160 got the power to get her on the show every time. 1:27:20.280 --> 1:27:22.599 She can come on anytime she wants. She's busy, she's 1:27:22.640 --> 1:27:24.080 got other things that she has to do. 1:27:24.240 --> 1:27:26.320 She's actually doing a lot of writing right now as 1:27:26.320 --> 1:27:27.440 we speak at Paul's. 1:27:27.439 --> 1:27:28.240 So you know, a lot of it. 1:27:29.400 --> 1:27:32.839 There's some conflicts there in terms of scheduling, but she's 1:27:32.880 --> 1:27:34.679 she's welcome to trade here anytime. 1:27:35.200 --> 1:27:35.679 You can't. 1:27:35.880 --> 1:27:38.760 You can't free that up for you know, like. 1:27:38.880 --> 1:27:41.120 If there's a community, if thing that she has to 1:27:41.160 --> 1:27:43.880 go to, they're not going to change. You know, Drake 1:27:43.960 --> 1:27:46.040 may coming to the Boys and Girls Club because the 1:27:46.040 --> 1:27:47.000 page's unfiltered. 1:27:47.360 --> 1:27:49.960 You know, that's usually I guess that's fair. 1:27:50.320 --> 1:27:53.160 But yeah, anyway, she's she adds this end of the show. 1:27:53.240 --> 1:27:56.240 So I love having her perspective on the show. But 1:27:56.400 --> 1:27:59.439 she's really the only real good reason to log in 1:27:59.479 --> 1:28:00.639 and watch the She's much. 1:28:00.520 --> 1:28:02.400 Better look at that's for sure. Yeah. 1:28:02.920 --> 1:28:04.640 He he just basically said that. 1:28:05.960 --> 1:28:07.360 I may or may not have said that. I know 1:28:07.400 --> 1:28:08.640 she was spoken for it. So I was going to 1:28:08.680 --> 1:28:11.120 try and keep it as PG as possible, but I 1:28:11.120 --> 1:28:17.519 don't see uh, and I will. I had some other 1:28:17.560 --> 1:28:19.880 things to add that I'll do at another time. Friend, 1:28:19.920 --> 1:28:22.240 I emailed you last week and I didn't get read. 1:28:22.320 --> 1:28:25.040 So I'll have to work on my my content to 1:28:25.280 --> 1:28:26.880 figure out how to get that right next time. 1:28:27.000 --> 1:28:31.360 All right, thanks Rodney. Rodney, you know just started. I 1:28:31.439 --> 1:28:33.920 was messing around on decision vision. So there's a lot 1:28:33.960 --> 1:28:36.160 of different things. It's not just football. There's all kinds 1:28:36.160 --> 1:28:39.680 of different things that you can use this for. So 1:28:39.680 --> 1:28:41.880 I just messing around a little bit. I just said, Uh, 1:28:42.720 --> 1:28:44.960 I did Defensive Player of the Year. War Career interceptions, 1:28:45.000 --> 1:28:47.559 career sacks, career approximate value are my four factors, and 1:28:47.560 --> 1:28:52.200 it gave me Charles Woodson as number one. It's not 1:28:52.240 --> 1:28:55.559 only quarterbacks, so you can do different things too. Okay, anyway, 1:28:56.160 --> 1:28:59.479 continue here, continue. 1:28:59.200 --> 1:29:00.839 What about Star worst character? 1:29:00.960 --> 1:29:02.280 Oh, let's see, now here we go. 1:29:02.439 --> 1:29:04.479 That's uh got to see if we can log into that. 1:29:05.000 --> 1:29:06.439 I'm more out on that than I am. 1:29:08.479 --> 1:29:10.280 Vehicles we could do long, we could do you know, 1:29:10.360 --> 1:29:13.040 speed Queen. We put speed Queen to the ye wash 1:29:13.080 --> 1:29:13.960 your dryers. 1:29:14.479 --> 1:29:16.760 Morgan wants to know where should lebron go. 1:29:18.479 --> 1:29:24.280 Ah, either Cleveland or Miami. I'll say Cleveland. 1:29:24.439 --> 1:29:26.679 Just sort of put a bow on the career. 1:29:27.640 --> 1:29:29.720 Cleveland Miami. Sure, that's nice. 1:29:29.760 --> 1:29:30.320 I like that. 1:29:30.320 --> 1:29:30.760 That's nice. 1:29:30.800 --> 1:29:33.679 Especially because I was just here in Boston. 1:29:34.439 --> 1:29:35.880 I don't want we want any part of him? 1:29:35.880 --> 1:29:37.080 Now you don't want any part of it? 1:29:37.160 --> 1:29:38.920 Is that a possibility? Is that being discussed? 1:29:39.800 --> 1:29:41.160 Play Boston. 1:29:41.200 --> 1:29:43.120 He won't come here. He's super racist. 1:29:43.320 --> 1:29:44.679 There's no way they're spending the money. 1:29:44.960 --> 1:29:47.480 Bronnie. I want Bronnie. Can we get Bronnie? 1:29:48.880 --> 1:29:50.960 Bronnie Ronnie? 1:29:50.760 --> 1:29:51.080 Okay? 1:29:51.240 --> 1:29:54.200 I did like pat Riley putting his foot down Janni's 1:29:54.240 --> 1:29:55.160 brothers in Miami. 1:29:57.120 --> 1:29:58.479 You guys want to do a movie one on a 1:29:58.520 --> 1:30:00.760 decision vision, we can pick some factor, all right, let's 1:30:00.760 --> 1:30:03.280 do Uh So you gotta pick what genre you want. 1:30:03.280 --> 1:30:06.160 You want like drama, horror, comedy, faith. 1:30:06.080 --> 1:30:07.639 What's the end goal movie? 1:30:07.640 --> 1:30:09.719 This is gonna best movie that's based on our factors. 1:30:09.800 --> 1:30:11.040 You want to do a comedy movie. 1:30:11.040 --> 1:30:12.320 Why do you have to pick a genre? 1:30:12.520 --> 1:30:14.760 Well, that's those are the factors that we can pick. 1:30:14.800 --> 1:30:14.960 Here. 1:30:15.000 --> 1:30:17.960 We got we got about so that's not giving me 1:30:18.000 --> 1:30:21.080 the best movie. We got about the best whatever the genre. 1:30:20.840 --> 1:30:22.920 Is, right, Well, we could not include a genre if 1:30:22.960 --> 1:30:23.240 you'd like. 1:30:24.080 --> 1:30:26.400 That's that's that's what you can do a genre free. 1:30:26.560 --> 1:30:28.600 I'll throw out the sixteen things. You guys tell me 1:30:28.640 --> 1:30:31.080 what we can include how many do we get? 1:30:31.080 --> 1:30:32.040 We can do four with them? 1:30:32.120 --> 1:30:36.080 So drama, short run time, total, oscar wins online interest 1:30:36.160 --> 1:30:39.639 included on Netflix, on YouTube Paid Action Adventure, Horror, Faith 1:30:40.000 --> 1:30:42.719 recent release, worldwide box office free. 1:30:42.560 --> 1:30:45.000 To stream right now, included on Hulu. Included on Prime 1:30:45.360 --> 1:30:45.720 Sci Fi? 1:30:45.840 --> 1:30:48.880 Can we only can we only just do one category. 1:30:48.439 --> 1:30:49.040 That you want to just do? 1:30:49.080 --> 1:30:49.439 Comedy? 1:30:49.520 --> 1:30:51.400 Yeah, see what the best see what the best comedy is. 1:30:51.479 --> 1:30:53.040 Let's if we can do that. I don't know if 1:30:53.040 --> 1:30:55.280 we can know you gotta choose three. You gotta choose 1:30:55.320 --> 1:30:56.000 three on this one. 1:30:56.040 --> 1:30:56.559 What are three? 1:30:57.200 --> 1:30:59.479 The three most nondescript? Because I don't really care. I mean, 1:30:59.520 --> 1:31:02.920 I'm sure that all those factors are important, Like that's. 1:31:02.840 --> 1:31:04.320 The best comedy, that's. 1:31:04.800 --> 1:31:08.360 Recent release, whatever, run time, those things are important. 1:31:09.200 --> 1:31:11.080 Worldwide box office, let's throw that on there. 1:31:11.560 --> 1:31:13.280 I don't like I'm trying to figure out what the 1:31:13.280 --> 1:31:13.920 best is. 1:31:13.960 --> 1:31:14.479 Not the one that. 1:31:14.439 --> 1:31:16.360 Made the most point is we're gonna do and a 1:31:16.439 --> 1:31:18.120 short run time is the last one? How about that? 1:31:18.200 --> 1:31:20.120 Let's just see what it gives us. We're doing comedy, 1:31:20.240 --> 1:31:23.400 worldwide box office, online interest in short run time and 1:31:24.240 --> 1:31:30.160 calculate in the winner is Minions. 1:31:34.000 --> 1:31:36.480 French's facial expressions is speaking volumes. 1:31:36.800 --> 1:31:42.519 All right, we have to tune that upright. 1:31:41.000 --> 1:31:42.599 We're gonna need some more fames. 1:31:43.200 --> 1:31:49.040 Let's go email games Reno rights in Reno High Tower. 1:31:49.360 --> 1:31:51.599 I know y'all don't like to wear jerseys with another 1:31:51.640 --> 1:31:53.960 man's name on it, but. 1:31:53.760 --> 1:31:55.719 For me, I don't care what you think. 1:31:56.120 --> 1:31:59.479 I find joy in buying and wearing jerseys of players 1:31:59.520 --> 1:32:02.160 I love. The One thing I hate from fans and 1:32:02.200 --> 1:32:04.800 he has fans and quotes are the ones who have 1:32:04.960 --> 1:32:07.960 multiple teams in the same league. I've known a few 1:32:08.000 --> 1:32:11.439 people who say they have an NFC and an AFC team. 1:32:11.520 --> 1:32:14.240 To me, if you have multiple teams, you're not a 1:32:14.280 --> 1:32:16.920 real fan. Stay loyal to your one team. 1:32:17.080 --> 1:32:17.840 What do you think? 1:32:18.360 --> 1:32:21.240 Also, I'm excited for the season to start and just 1:32:21.320 --> 1:32:26.400 bought an eighty five inch Samsung q led TV on 1:32:26.560 --> 1:32:29.360 payments though, because we're not all rich like Christian in LA. 1:32:30.560 --> 1:32:33.040 But eighty five inch TV these days, that can't be that. 1:32:33.160 --> 1:32:35.200 I mean, they probably have good deals on them, right. 1:32:35.240 --> 1:32:37.800 Yeah, you can get a good TV for a reasonable 1:32:37.960 --> 1:32:38.800 price nowadays. 1:32:38.960 --> 1:32:39.800 Back in the day it was. 1:32:40.520 --> 1:32:41.160 But that's great. 1:32:41.280 --> 1:32:44.519 Yeah, I I'm not a big view. People give me 1:32:44.560 --> 1:32:47.360 a lot of static because they think I'm telling people 1:32:47.360 --> 1:32:49.760 how to be fans about they're wearing the shirt thing. 1:32:50.320 --> 1:32:52.240 Why is it okay for the people that wear shirts 1:32:52.240 --> 1:32:54.280 that tell people how they're supposed to be fans? They 1:32:54.280 --> 1:32:58.240 can't have any other teams? Like if your team is out, 1:32:58.240 --> 1:33:00.320 you don't root for anyone you don't like? What to 1:33:00.320 --> 1:33:02.200 makes you a bad fan? Like no, I got a 1:33:02.280 --> 1:33:04.479 pout and just look in the corner and not watch, 1:33:05.360 --> 1:33:08.160 Like why why is that okay for you to tell 1:33:08.160 --> 1:33:10.200 everybody else how they should be fans? 1:33:10.479 --> 1:33:10.559 Now? 1:33:10.640 --> 1:33:11.439 I only I don't. 1:33:11.479 --> 1:33:12.679 I don't have a lot of teams though. 1:33:12.640 --> 1:33:13.600 You know, I don't have a lot. 1:33:13.720 --> 1:33:15.360 I don't have a lot of chance. But that's not 1:33:15.400 --> 1:33:17.639 the points. That's kind of it. I think I said before. 1:33:17.640 --> 1:33:18.720 When I was in LA, I was like, I'm gonna 1:33:18.720 --> 1:33:19.439 try to be a Dodgers fan. 1:33:19.560 --> 1:33:21.040 I try to watch the Dodgers, and I try to 1:33:21.040 --> 1:33:22.840 and this is back before they were the Dodgers now, 1:33:22.840 --> 1:33:23.720 but I just didn't like. 1:33:23.800 --> 1:33:24.680 I used to really like. 1:33:25.400 --> 1:33:27.519 I used to really like the San Francisco Giants when 1:33:27.560 --> 1:33:30.200 I was probably in high school, the Red Sox on 1:33:30.320 --> 1:33:33.040 my team, my National League team was the Giants. Evidently 1:33:33.240 --> 1:33:35.919 that's that's wrong. I don't care about the Giants anymore. 1:33:35.960 --> 1:33:39.040 But you know, back in the day, they had some 1:33:39.160 --> 1:33:41.639 left handed pitchers. I was a left handed pitcher. Attlee 1:33:41.680 --> 1:33:44.880 Hammacker and Dave Draveki and those guys you. 1:33:44.840 --> 1:33:47.559 Moved around so like and you would be a fan 1:33:47.640 --> 1:33:48.639 of the low I mean. 1:33:48.560 --> 1:33:49.360 I was a young kid. 1:33:49.439 --> 1:33:52.519 When I was real young, before second grade, I was 1:33:52.520 --> 1:33:56.120 a Red Sox fan. We had yaz Bread and Channel 1:33:56.160 --> 1:33:58.760 six had all the Red Sox games, so you know, 1:33:58.960 --> 1:34:03.720 Rico Petrocelli, Tony Knigliaro, all those guys. But then we 1:34:03.760 --> 1:34:07.240 moved to Jersey and everybody was either a Yankees fan 1:34:07.360 --> 1:34:09.719 or a Mets fan. And I chose the Mets because 1:34:09.760 --> 1:34:13.599 I really liked Jerry Koozman and I like Cleon Jones 1:34:13.640 --> 1:34:17.040 because he threw left and batted right like I did. 1:34:17.760 --> 1:34:20.280 And so I kind of gravitated to the Mets in 1:34:20.320 --> 1:34:20.879 a paid. 1:34:20.800 --> 1:34:22.519 That's both you guys. You guys both throw a left 1:34:22.520 --> 1:34:23.800 that right, correct, That's fun. 1:34:24.000 --> 1:34:24.639 It's very rare. 1:34:24.920 --> 1:34:26.280 There was not a lot like the fact that he 1:34:26.360 --> 1:34:29.559 knows Leon Jones did that is because that they stand out. 1:34:29.640 --> 1:34:32.800 Ricky Henderson did it too. There's not that many guys. 1:34:32.560 --> 1:34:35.200 Like that, and so you know paid off in sixty 1:34:35.280 --> 1:34:38.600 nine when the Mets won, and so I became But 1:34:38.680 --> 1:34:41.160 I always was a reds I still remained a Red 1:34:41.200 --> 1:34:41.760 Sox fan. 1:34:42.120 --> 1:34:44.559 But when you left New Jersey, did you maintain those 1:34:44.800 --> 1:34:45.719 connections to the Mets. 1:34:46.560 --> 1:34:48.240 It all depended on who was winning the title. 1:34:48.800 --> 1:34:49.400 But I was. 1:34:49.439 --> 1:34:52.040 I was a big Knicks fan, a big Jets fan 1:34:52.280 --> 1:34:53.479 because I love Joe Namath. 1:34:53.880 --> 1:34:54.240 I like it. 1:34:54.360 --> 1:34:56.799 I was a Mets fan, and I was a Rangers fan. 1:34:56.680 --> 1:34:58.479 Right A lot of a lot of local people Rangers. 1:34:58.560 --> 1:34:59.880 My dad was a Rangers fan too. 1:35:00.040 --> 1:35:02.519 I think they got and I remember Brad Park, New 1:35:02.600 --> 1:35:06.840 York Rangers. Brad Park was a Ranger and and he 1:35:06.880 --> 1:35:08.880 wrote a book and I used to read all the 1:35:08.880 --> 1:35:11.559 sports book and he called the Boston fans bush league, 1:35:12.240 --> 1:35:14.960 and then he ended up on the Bruins. Uh, and 1:35:15.040 --> 1:35:18.160 I still, you know, remained a Brad Park fan. 1:35:18.600 --> 1:35:20.400 I actually met him. What a nice guy? 1:35:20.680 --> 1:35:20.920 Did you? 1:35:21.200 --> 1:35:21.840 Did you tell him? 1:35:21.840 --> 1:35:23.559 Like Boston? 1:35:26.080 --> 1:35:30.160 I was with aboaut then, but but then you know, 1:35:30.200 --> 1:35:35.120 I moved in eighth grade to the Cape and uh 1:35:35.680 --> 1:35:40.439 quickly became a Celtics back to Red Sox, believe it 1:35:40.520 --> 1:35:43.120 or not, and I you know, I have to admit this. 1:35:43.240 --> 1:35:45.240 I really wasn't a Patriots fan. 1:35:46.120 --> 1:35:48.680 They sucks so bad, you know, and I know in 1:35:48.720 --> 1:35:52.080 eighties they did well, But I just, I just I 1:35:52.240 --> 1:35:55.639 just I was a Denver Bronco fan, you know, I always, 1:35:56.280 --> 1:35:58.240 I know, I know, I always love. 1:35:58.120 --> 1:35:58.680 The a f C. 1:35:58.920 --> 1:36:02.000 Westlaner with the Kansas City Chiefs. 1:36:02.120 --> 1:36:03.160 Oh you're not a real fan. 1:36:04.040 --> 1:36:04.880 I probably wasn't. 1:36:05.000 --> 1:36:08.640 I probably wasn't, but I love the Orange Crush that 1:36:08.720 --> 1:36:12.519 whole idea, and I love you know, Carl Mecklenburg and 1:36:12.560 --> 1:36:15.679 then later Randy gratischar I love those players. 1:36:15.720 --> 1:36:18.000 And so I was. I was a Denver Broncos fan. 1:36:18.120 --> 1:36:20.760 So I always when that was before l Way by 1:36:20.800 --> 1:36:23.040 the way, I would always root you know, I was 1:36:23.040 --> 1:36:25.200 a huge Patriots fan. But Fred's right, it was hard 1:36:25.280 --> 1:36:28.960 because you just knew like they weren't, they weren't going 1:36:29.040 --> 1:36:32.160 to be there. So like every year whoever that like, 1:36:32.200 --> 1:36:34.559 there was a new team, and that seventy seven Orange 1:36:34.600 --> 1:36:36.759 Crush Denver team was one of those. Like I rooted, 1:36:37.640 --> 1:36:40.479 like really passionately for them to beat the Raiders in 1:36:40.520 --> 1:36:43.160 the AFC Championship game that year, and I rooted for 1:36:43.200 --> 1:36:44.880 them against Dallas and the Super Bowl and then they. 1:36:44.840 --> 1:36:45.719 Got killed crushed. 1:36:45.920 --> 1:36:48.559 But I would root for Dallas against Pittsburgh because Pittsburgh 1:36:48.600 --> 1:36:49.320 was always winning. 1:36:49.520 --> 1:36:49.720 Yeap. 1:36:49.800 --> 1:36:52.040 Then San Francisco got good that for like they went 1:36:52.040 --> 1:36:54.280 from three to thirteen to thirteen and three. And I 1:36:54.320 --> 1:36:56.840 was a huge Niners fan for one year. Yeah, and 1:36:56.880 --> 1:36:58.920 then I hated them because they won all the time. 1:36:59.080 --> 1:37:01.639 How does that work? You're could you watch the games even. 1:37:01.479 --> 1:37:03.240 Like you know what I mean, you just follow the 1:37:03.280 --> 1:37:06.200 best you can. Brent Musburger, you're looking. 1:37:06.000 --> 1:37:10.719 Live halftime Monday Night Football, Howard Cosell's Yeah. 1:37:10.840 --> 1:37:11.760 I was for me. 1:37:11.840 --> 1:37:15.360 It was at the main Jel Green NFL Primetime and 1:37:15.400 --> 1:37:18.800 Inside the NFL, those two like Sunday Nights with NFL 1:37:18.840 --> 1:37:21.840 Primetime with Boomer and then inside the NFL. I love 1:37:21.960 --> 1:37:23.920 that show, you know, just each one was like the 1:37:24.040 --> 1:37:27.360 NFL films, filmic look back at the week, and I 1:37:27.479 --> 1:37:31.200 just I don't know if it still has that filmic 1:37:31.280 --> 1:37:34.599 kind of epic quality and those you know, the way 1:37:34.600 --> 1:37:36.320 that it captured me as a kid. It was just 1:37:36.360 --> 1:37:38.479 that was like must watch TV. Who is it Leo 1:37:38.600 --> 1:37:44.760 quarterback from the Chiefs Len Yeah, yeah, I think Chris 1:37:44.760 --> 1:37:46.320 Collinsworth might have come on at some point. 1:37:46.400 --> 1:37:46.840 He came on. 1:37:47.000 --> 1:37:49.280 Yeah, yeah, but we remember my friends and I we 1:37:49.320 --> 1:37:51.559 would all like we would record Primetime and we'd like 1:37:51.600 --> 1:37:52.599 talk about it the next day. 1:37:52.720 --> 1:37:55.679 I loved watching Primetime with with Boomer and Tom Jackson. 1:37:55.760 --> 1:37:58.160 I didn't watch Inside the NFL that much. I know, 1:37:58.240 --> 1:38:01.320 the show I didn't watch like regularly. 1:38:01.439 --> 1:38:04.160 That was an hour show. It seemed like three hours. 1:38:04.200 --> 1:38:06.720 It was like the slowest moving show I did. 1:38:06.960 --> 1:38:08.720 We just go to the highlights, right, you don't need 1:38:08.760 --> 1:38:11.200 the lime time was was great though, like that was 1:38:11.280 --> 1:38:13.840 a great way to you know, but you know, now 1:38:13.880 --> 1:38:15.479 you get to see all the games and you don't 1:38:15.520 --> 1:38:16.840 really need it, right. 1:38:16.520 --> 1:38:16.680 You know. 1:38:16.720 --> 1:38:18.160 I think it's I think they still do it, but 1:38:18.200 --> 1:38:21.639 it's like on yeah, yeah, find like. 1:38:22.000 --> 1:38:24.920 Chris Rose does it on NFL Network. That's usually like 1:38:24.920 --> 1:38:26.960 when we get done here and I get home and 1:38:27.320 --> 1:38:29.599 he I do. I saw him at the combine in India. 1:38:29.600 --> 1:38:31.360 I just wanted to because it's always like, you know, 1:38:31.680 --> 1:38:33.880 work is no I just said, it's my favorite part 1:38:33.920 --> 1:38:35.200 of it's you know, it's like your work's done. 1:38:35.240 --> 1:38:36.160 You could just sit down and. 1:38:36.120 --> 1:38:37.599 Be like, all right, what the hell happened? Because I'm 1:38:37.600 --> 1:38:39.240 not like Paul. I can't just watch red Zone and 1:38:39.240 --> 1:38:39.960 then decode it all. 1:38:40.000 --> 1:38:42.600 And so I will say, like on Sundays when I 1:38:42.640 --> 1:38:45.240 would get home, and you know, it's assuming it was 1:38:45.280 --> 1:38:47.920 a one o'clock game, so they might be like one 1:38:48.800 --> 1:38:52.240 game that geez, I wonder what happened? Like this is weird? 1:38:52.280 --> 1:38:53.160 How did this unfold? 1:38:53.240 --> 1:38:55.320 And I'll wait to see the highlight of that one 1:38:55.400 --> 1:38:58.160 game because I didn't know, you know, like how how 1:38:58.160 --> 1:39:00.800 did they go from up twelve to having a kick 1:39:00.800 --> 1:39:02.280 a field goal to win the game? But you know, 1:39:02.360 --> 1:39:03.200 like what happened there? 1:39:04.160 --> 1:39:07.479 And his poor kid on TV he met Jalen Brown 1:39:07.560 --> 1:39:09.920 made a big impression. Now he's just crying his eyes 1:39:09.960 --> 1:39:12.519 out because he's gone. I don't blame him, no, I 1:39:12.520 --> 1:39:13.080 feel you. 1:39:13.040 --> 1:39:14.840 Ever have your heart broken like that by a player 1:39:14.920 --> 1:39:15.960 or anything like disappointing. 1:39:16.439 --> 1:39:19.600 That's a good question, but that's the age when you 1:39:19.680 --> 1:39:22.240 got that half. Like the kid looks like he couldn't 1:39:22.280 --> 1:39:24.000 be more than like six or seven years old, right, 1:39:24.600 --> 1:39:26.120 If he's even that old, I don't know. 1:39:26.400 --> 1:39:28.960 Yeah, he's the closest thing, I guess. And I wasn't 1:39:29.040 --> 1:39:30.479 upset about it, and I was older. I mean, I 1:39:30.479 --> 1:39:32.439 was in college or out of college. But Ray Boor, 1:39:32.960 --> 1:39:34.840 who was like my favorite player growing up, and like 1:39:35.320 --> 1:39:38.919 I remember being so excited to see him win Avalanche. 1:39:38.960 --> 1:39:39.960 You bring up Ray Boord. 1:39:40.720 --> 1:39:43.280 You want to talk about embarrassing moments, That's one of 1:39:43.320 --> 1:39:47.719 the most embarrassing Boston sports moments I've ever lived. Pade 1:39:47.960 --> 1:39:51.519 letting him go to Colorado, come back with the trophy 1:39:51.560 --> 1:39:56.639 and have a freaking parade. How pathetic is that as 1:39:56.680 --> 1:39:58.400 a franchise to do that. 1:39:58.560 --> 1:40:01.840 I was embarrassed, right, It's like, we're so bad, but 1:40:01.920 --> 1:40:03.960 you got the cup. We couldn't do We weren't willing 1:40:04.000 --> 1:40:04.400 to go there. 1:40:04.600 --> 1:40:06.559 It's not enough to just let them go and win it, 1:40:06.600 --> 1:40:08.720 but you're gonna bring them back and celebrate it. 1:40:08.920 --> 1:40:09.839 Yeah, are you kidding? 1:40:10.000 --> 1:40:12.320 I had no problem with the trade. Yeah, but the 1:40:12.640 --> 1:40:13.800 parade was bad. 1:40:13.880 --> 1:40:15.920 Look, I was that was embarrassing bad. 1:40:15.960 --> 1:40:18.160 Look, I mean the Don Branch won that kind of 1:40:18.200 --> 1:40:20.559 I mean it's, you know, as an adult just being like, 1:40:20.560 --> 1:40:22.559 oh man, Deon Branch, like, you know. 1:40:22.600 --> 1:40:25.679 That was I don't, guy, I don't think that any 1:40:25.720 --> 1:40:27.400 of those as an adult. 1:40:28.080 --> 1:40:29.680 No, it's no comparison. 1:40:29.720 --> 1:40:30.960 I can't think of anything in this. 1:40:31.320 --> 1:40:34.880 As a kid was there anything that devastated you, almost 1:40:34.920 --> 1:40:36.720 to the point of tears, if not too so. 1:40:37.200 --> 1:40:40.280 Yeah, like when the Red Sox led, like Fred Lynne 1:40:40.280 --> 1:40:43.400 and Carlton Fist go, you know, like fred Lynne was 1:40:43.439 --> 1:40:45.360 my favorite player, fred Land and Jim Rice and my 1:40:45.360 --> 1:40:46.760 two favorite Red Sox what a duo. 1:40:47.040 --> 1:40:48.360 And they when they let. 1:40:48.240 --> 1:40:51.320 Fred they traded Fred Lane, they let fist go and 1:40:51.360 --> 1:40:53.880 free agency that. Like I was, you know, it's like 1:40:53.960 --> 1:40:56.559 maybe twelve thirteen years old. I was bummed out. 1:40:56.640 --> 1:40:59.599 That was really Bruins eighty eight Cup loss. 1:40:59.640 --> 1:41:00.880 I think I was twelve years old. 1:41:00.920 --> 1:41:01.360 That was. 1:41:01.400 --> 1:41:04.000 That was one for me. Like I was way into that, 1:41:04.080 --> 1:41:05.240 like every playoff game. 1:41:05.320 --> 1:41:08.240 Drinking heavy and he's probably twelve years old. 1:41:08.320 --> 1:41:11.280 Yeah, I was doing Like I had a neighborhood pool, 1:41:11.400 --> 1:41:12.880 Like I would go to everybody's so I'm like, you know, 1:41:12.880 --> 1:41:14.040 we want to bet on the Bruins now, and I 1:41:14.040 --> 1:41:16.080 would like have everybody, you know, chip in a buck 1:41:16.120 --> 1:41:17.840 in the neighborhood and then somebody won the pool. 1:41:18.320 --> 1:41:21.280 But I think the most disappointed I was in an 1:41:21.280 --> 1:41:26.240 outcome was Ali Fraser one. When Ali lost, Wow, Oh 1:41:26.520 --> 1:41:28.360 I was I was devastated for that one. 1:41:28.360 --> 1:41:28.439 Now. 1:41:28.560 --> 1:41:30.479 How now, back in the day could It wasn't like. 1:41:31.040 --> 1:41:33.599 And so here's what I did. You couldn't watch it. 1:41:34.800 --> 1:41:38.920 So on AM radio there was a station that after 1:41:39.000 --> 1:41:41.719 every round gave you an update. So I remember being 1:41:41.760 --> 1:41:44.000 in bed and this is like late at night and 1:41:44.200 --> 1:41:47.240 just glued to the radio waiting for that round to 1:41:47.439 --> 1:41:50.599 end so you could hear from this guy and whoever, 1:41:50.680 --> 1:41:54.559 I forget who was doing it. No, yeah, they did 1:41:54.560 --> 1:41:56.120 a good job, because that was on the edge. 1:41:55.960 --> 1:41:56.479 Of my seat. 1:41:56.960 --> 1:41:59.880 And then you get to that last round and you know, 1:42:00.479 --> 1:42:04.400 uh round before I think where Fraser broke his jaw. 1:42:04.840 --> 1:42:05.760 It's like, oh my god. 1:42:05.800 --> 1:42:08.280 But he's still fighting, you know, and he's got enough 1:42:08.320 --> 1:42:09.960 rounds built up, he's still gonna win. 1:42:10.200 --> 1:42:11.120 He's still gonna win. 1:42:11.040 --> 1:42:13.800 It by decision, and he ended up losing, and I 1:42:13.840 --> 1:42:18.920 was just devastated. And then that week, uh, Sports Illustrated 1:42:19.000 --> 1:42:22.919 comes after, you know, that's back then a weekly magazine 1:42:23.000 --> 1:42:28.920 still had relevance, and they showed Ali's face. He had 1:42:29.000 --> 1:42:32.519 the broken jaw, but Fraser's face looked like he went 1:42:32.560 --> 1:42:33.120 through a war. 1:42:33.479 --> 1:42:35.920 I mean, it was just bumps. 1:42:35.560 --> 1:42:39.240 Everywhere because you know, Ali was just pelting him all night. 1:42:39.640 --> 1:42:42.920 But what an epic battle that was. Devastated when you 1:42:43.040 --> 1:42:44.800 got the magazine. Was that the first time you'd actually 1:42:44.840 --> 1:42:49.880 seen like imagery in your head and that brought it 1:42:49.920 --> 1:42:50.280 to life? 1:42:50.439 --> 1:42:54.120 Yeah, it was a different time. Now it's you're seeing 1:42:54.120 --> 1:42:55.760 it in the moment, you're watching. 1:42:55.520 --> 1:43:00.880 It on your hand, like than not. We'll ever get 1:43:00.920 --> 1:43:03.000 to that. But again, I was, I was. I was 1:43:03.040 --> 1:43:03.759 in high school. 1:43:03.840 --> 1:43:06.519 So actually it was my freshman year at college. I 1:43:06.600 --> 1:43:08.040 just started. I just started college. 1:43:08.120 --> 1:43:09.400 Well how did you feel? Because you were a Mets 1:43:09.400 --> 1:43:13.400 fan too, so like you knowed then by then we 1:43:13.400 --> 1:43:17.000 were we were living in Boston at the Men's Club 1:43:17.080 --> 1:43:19.599 on comm Ab and doing bets. 1:43:20.320 --> 1:43:24.439 Uh but uh, after Game six, I put a sign 1:43:24.479 --> 1:43:28.280 out by the tea. I said, if there's justice, justice 1:43:28.320 --> 1:43:30.200 on earth and a god in heaven, the Red Sox 1:43:30.200 --> 1:43:32.600 will win the series and seven and I put that 1:43:32.720 --> 1:43:35.160 sign out and they ended up losing anyway. 1:43:35.880 --> 1:43:40.439 She sent that nice like little piece of Robert Kraft. 1:43:40.520 --> 1:43:41.599 When is that how you got the job? 1:43:41.680 --> 1:43:41.760 No? 1:43:42.720 --> 1:43:45.040 Look, I mean, look what I did, mister Kraft. This 1:43:45.479 --> 1:43:46.080 is creative. 1:43:46.120 --> 1:43:50.160 Well, my history with the Red Sox is actually I 1:43:50.280 --> 1:43:52.719 used to be the editor in chief of a magazine 1:43:52.760 --> 1:43:56.759 called New England Sport, and uh, there was a well 1:43:56.800 --> 1:44:00.960 known writer, Glenn's Glenn Stout, who used to be the 1:44:01.040 --> 1:44:04.720 editor of the Best American Sports Writers. It was a 1:44:04.720 --> 1:44:08.080 compilation thing anyway. So he came to me with this idea. 1:44:08.160 --> 1:44:11.320 He said, back in nineteen eighteen, when the Red Sox 1:44:11.360 --> 1:44:14.320 won the World Series, there was a strike during the 1:44:14.400 --> 1:44:18.479 series and the league was so mad at both teams 1:44:18.960 --> 1:44:22.200 that when the Red Sox won, they didn't get the 1:44:22.280 --> 1:44:26.200 commemorative fobs that World Series winners went. Back then, you 1:44:26.200 --> 1:44:27.840 didn't get a ring. You got a fob. It was 1:44:27.880 --> 1:44:30.920 like a key fob or a change. It's like a 1:44:31.000 --> 1:44:34.840 change and with a pin at the end. And so 1:44:34.920 --> 1:44:38.400 none of the Red Sox players got the fob. So 1:44:38.479 --> 1:44:42.160 Glenn wrote this story that the curse wasn't Babe Ruth 1:44:42.240 --> 1:44:45.479 being traded. The curse was that they never got this thing, 1:44:45.600 --> 1:44:48.720 and we have to Baseball, Major League Baseball has to 1:44:48.800 --> 1:44:52.439 right this wrong and give them their fob. So after 1:44:52.479 --> 1:44:55.720 we published the story, I started a campaign. So I 1:44:55.840 --> 1:44:58.120 met with the Red Sox and I said, can we 1:44:58.520 --> 1:45:01.479 can we do this range for the descendants of this 1:45:01.520 --> 1:45:03.920 team to come, because well, we're not going to do it. 1:45:04.479 --> 1:45:06.800 There has to be a movement. So if you can 1:45:06.840 --> 1:45:10.439 get a petition with like ten thousand names, we'll do it. 1:45:10.960 --> 1:45:14.320 So for that season, the Red Sox allowed me to 1:45:14.360 --> 1:45:16.719 set up a table outside of Fenway Park and before 1:45:16.800 --> 1:45:20.320 every home game, I would gather names, and we got 1:45:20.360 --> 1:45:23.360 the names, and so we got in touch with Babe, 1:45:23.400 --> 1:45:27.280 Ruth's granddaughter and all the descendants, Bobby Door, all these people. 1:45:27.720 --> 1:45:31.559 I don't know, Bobby Dorsh. It was I forget all the. 1:45:31.600 --> 1:45:35.280 Names, but we got them together and they had the 1:45:35.840 --> 1:45:39.040 day and they found the design for the fob and 1:45:39.120 --> 1:45:40.240 they actually. 1:45:40.880 --> 1:45:41.479 Had this event. 1:45:41.520 --> 1:45:43.240 It was I think we were playing the Kansas City 1:45:43.320 --> 1:45:47.080 Royals and they had the event and everyone was on 1:45:47.120 --> 1:45:48.920 the field and they gave them the fobs. 1:45:49.320 --> 1:45:52.160 And that season they went on like a thirteen game win. 1:45:52.240 --> 1:45:56.800 Stream Right after that happened, and so Channel Channel seven 1:45:56.880 --> 1:45:59.640 came to my house and interviewed me like, this is 1:45:59.640 --> 1:46:02.479 going to be this is the year. Yeah funny, yeah, yeah, 1:46:02.560 --> 1:46:03.160 what year was that? 1:46:03.200 --> 1:46:04.200 It wasn't two thousand and four. 1:46:04.280 --> 1:46:10.640 No, it was it was eighty nine, ninety it was 1:46:10.880 --> 1:46:12.280 late eighties or early nineties. 1:46:12.320 --> 1:46:16.040 I forget. Actually the actually year eighty eight. Did you 1:46:16.040 --> 1:46:16.439 get a fob? 1:46:16.479 --> 1:46:17.040 I hope you got. 1:46:17.040 --> 1:46:18.840 You kept the fune Oh I didn't get one. No, 1:46:18.960 --> 1:46:21.280 I didn't get one, the fop guy. Yeah I should 1:46:21.280 --> 1:46:24.920 have got one. Yeah, the whole thing, ten thousand signatures. Yeah, 1:46:25.040 --> 1:46:26.680 did you have like a whole presentation. But it was 1:46:26.720 --> 1:46:30.679 great because we'd collect the signatures until like the second inning, 1:46:30.720 --> 1:46:32.000 then we go in and watch the game. 1:46:33.240 --> 1:46:35.120 Yeah, you used to be able to do that. 1:46:35.120 --> 1:46:36.160 I felt like you used to be able walk in 1:46:36.240 --> 1:46:37.880 Red Sox games like seventh inning on. 1:46:37.960 --> 1:46:39.599 It was just like doors open, you could just play. 1:46:39.600 --> 1:46:40.760 Oh yeah, they let you walk in. 1:46:41.160 --> 1:46:41.320 Yeah. 1:46:41.400 --> 1:46:43.320 Yeah, because when I was in school we did that 1:46:43.360 --> 1:46:43.639 a lot. 1:46:43.760 --> 1:46:44.760 Yeah remember that. 1:46:45.280 --> 1:46:47.120 Yeah, when I was in college, we get three bucks, 1:46:47.160 --> 1:46:48.879 three dollars seats and sit in the bleachers. 1:46:48.960 --> 1:46:51.840 Yeah that was I mean when I was driving cross country, 1:46:51.840 --> 1:46:54.160 it was like we could have walked into Colorado for 1:46:54.200 --> 1:46:56.680 fourteen dollars. We could have gone into Cleveland for like 1:46:56.720 --> 1:46:57.679 twenty two dollars. 1:46:57.720 --> 1:46:57.920 You know. 1:46:57.920 --> 1:46:59.960 It was like it was like midweek afternoon games. 1:47:00.240 --> 1:47:02.679 We would definitely like if you know, did you get 1:47:02.720 --> 1:47:07.480 you'd get done with your last class, you go over, Yeah. 1:47:06.439 --> 1:47:07.559 Maybe not wait to Paul. 1:47:08.520 --> 1:47:10.920 Paul wants a game, So here's another one. Thank you, 1:47:11.640 --> 1:47:15.840 Alex says Paul totally crushed the first one that I had, 1:47:15.880 --> 1:47:18.320 and this one is all geared toward the eighties and 1:47:18.400 --> 1:47:19.360 nineties players. 1:47:19.640 --> 1:47:22.040 Oh boy, he'll crush these two nineties. 1:47:22.080 --> 1:47:22.840 Is going to be time. 1:47:24.200 --> 1:47:24.839 First player. 1:47:24.960 --> 1:47:27.960 I wore number eighty four before it became synonymous with 1:47:28.040 --> 1:47:32.200 another Patriots legend. I was one of the team's top 1:47:32.240 --> 1:47:37.280 receivers during the early nineties. I caught the first touchdown 1:47:37.360 --> 1:47:39.280 pass of Drew Bledsoe's coach Jefferson. 1:47:40.560 --> 1:47:42.400 Jefferson, you don't know, se Jefferson. 1:47:42.400 --> 1:47:43.920 No, no, he. 1:47:43.960 --> 1:47:47.160 Was first touchdown passive that this is I'm just gonna 1:47:47.320 --> 1:47:47.960 go on record. 1:47:48.720 --> 1:47:49.400 This is wrong. 1:47:49.960 --> 1:47:52.280 Like I says, number eighty four caught the first touchdown 1:47:52.320 --> 1:47:54.720 pass of Drew Bledsoe's career, So it must Maybe it was. 1:47:54.720 --> 1:47:55.720 A preseason game, is he? 1:47:55.880 --> 1:47:58.519 Is he claiming I don't know because the first touchdown 1:47:58.520 --> 1:48:00.680 pass with Drew Bledsoe was Benkoch, He. 1:48:01.320 --> 1:48:03.599 Says, Vincent Brisbee Ultimate Brisbee. 1:48:03.960 --> 1:48:05.000 Brisbee wore eighty two. 1:48:05.560 --> 1:48:09.599 Yeah, So there you go, Alex, You're already wrong player two. 1:48:09.640 --> 1:48:09.880 I was. 1:48:10.439 --> 1:48:12.800 I mean, like earlier in his career, maybe he wore 1:48:12.840 --> 1:48:14.360 eighty four and he changed to eighty two. 1:48:14.680 --> 1:48:17.519 I checked this well, checked that too the whole time. 1:48:18.240 --> 1:48:18.680 Player two. 1:48:18.760 --> 1:48:21.160 I was a quarterback who started games for the Patriots 1:48:21.160 --> 1:48:22.280 in the early nineties. 1:48:24.080 --> 1:48:26.400 Tommy Hodson, Oh. 1:48:26.439 --> 1:48:29.520 Am, I allowed to guess without being without being eliminated. 1:48:29.560 --> 1:48:30.400 Oh you get eliminated. 1:48:30.439 --> 1:48:31.400 Okay, then I'm gonna hold on. 1:48:31.479 --> 1:48:31.759 Okay. 1:48:32.120 --> 1:48:35.400 I won just one game as a Patriots starter, just 1:48:35.479 --> 1:48:36.040 one game. 1:48:37.600 --> 1:48:38.599 I think you might have it. 1:48:38.840 --> 1:48:42.160 No, it wasn't Tommy Hodson. I was later traded to 1:48:42.200 --> 1:48:44.640 the Green Bay Packers, where I backed up Brett. 1:48:44.400 --> 1:48:50.479 Favara Carlson Mill. He won more than one game. 1:48:50.640 --> 1:48:52.840 Oh boy, another here. 1:48:52.960 --> 1:48:55.120 Yeah, they went six and ten and won. 1:48:55.320 --> 1:48:57.080 He went five and eight in the ninety. 1:48:56.920 --> 1:48:59.519 Oh, come on, Alex, I didn't even know if I 1:48:59.520 --> 1:49:02.799 want to do this. Third one, I was a defensive 1:49:02.800 --> 1:49:05.880 player who has two stints with the players and with 1:49:05.920 --> 1:49:07.760 the with the players, I think he meant the. 1:49:07.680 --> 1:49:11.400 Patriots defensive player. 1:49:10.160 --> 1:49:13.000 In this play and played in a Super Bowl. I 1:49:13.040 --> 1:49:16.040 played for sixteen years and only made one Pro Bowl. 1:49:17.160 --> 1:49:19.840 I had nine and a half sacks in seventy seven 1:49:19.960 --> 1:49:21.759 before missing most of the next season. 1:49:23.520 --> 1:49:24.800 I mean, I don't know if it's true. 1:49:27.560 --> 1:49:28.040 I don't know. 1:49:29.520 --> 1:49:34.280 Tony McGee, Julius Adams, Julius Adams was only on the Patriots. 1:49:35.800 --> 1:49:37.639 Where are you getting your info, Alex? 1:49:39.439 --> 1:49:42.360 I mean, come on, I think he's doing I think 1:49:42.400 --> 1:49:45.599 he did it on purpose. Yeah, I think you did 1:49:45.600 --> 1:49:46.400 it on purpose. 1:49:46.760 --> 1:49:49.600 So you crushed this one too, because you saw you 1:49:49.640 --> 1:49:51.880 didn't get any of them because they weren't any of them. 1:49:52.240 --> 1:49:54.040 They were all wrong. Yeah, they were all wrong. 1:49:54.600 --> 1:49:56.720 I thought, you know, I did the eighty five thing 1:49:56.800 --> 1:49:57.120 last year. 1:49:57.200 --> 1:49:59.639 Julius Adams was funny because I found like they did 1:49:59.680 --> 1:50:02.800 like the whole thing of like pomp and circumstance. 1:50:02.280 --> 1:50:04.040 Like this is it, this is the last game they like. 1:50:04.080 --> 1:50:06.760 I think that since he game they won, last game here, 1:50:06.800 --> 1:50:08.559 they had like a whole ceremony. And then he's like, 1:50:09.200 --> 1:50:10.920 I'm playing a game. I'm gonna keep playing like he 1:50:11.040 --> 1:50:14.040 just kept playing, uh all the way. Oh he came 1:50:14.040 --> 1:50:14.800 back in eighty seven. 1:50:14.840 --> 1:50:17.599 I guess played another year. Maybe he was hurting eighty. 1:50:17.400 --> 1:50:21.920 Six, So maybe that's what he meant. Maybe that's what 1:50:22.000 --> 1:50:22.760 he meant. 1:50:22.960 --> 1:50:24.639 Yeah, but he was New England through and through. 1:50:25.760 --> 1:50:29.080 Boy, And I thought when he said two stints with 1:50:29.120 --> 1:50:31.200 the Patriots, that applied that he played for someone else. 1:50:31.240 --> 1:50:32.439 But maybe that's not what he meant. 1:50:32.439 --> 1:50:33.960 But that usually that's what that means. 1:50:34.000 --> 1:50:35.920 But yeah, but I'm I'm going to allow that's not 1:50:35.960 --> 1:50:38.360 a mistake, you know, So maybe he could. 1:50:38.479 --> 1:50:39.800 I didn't know he played, did he was? 1:50:39.840 --> 1:50:39.880 That? 1:50:40.120 --> 1:50:41.800 Was he part of the strike? Did he come back 1:50:41.800 --> 1:50:45.040 and break the strike or something? I thought eighty five 1:50:45.160 --> 1:50:45.880 was his last game. 1:50:45.960 --> 1:50:47.000 Ten games in eighty seven. 1:50:47.200 --> 1:50:49.000 I thought eighty five was his last too much. 1:50:49.000 --> 1:50:51.360 I mean, he didn't even that's part of the whole song. 1:50:51.520 --> 1:50:54.120 Two ye seven is what a career super Bowl appearance 1:50:54.160 --> 1:50:55.360 in his retirement year. 1:50:56.280 --> 1:50:57.120 Right right right? 1:50:57.160 --> 1:50:57.240 Right? 1:50:57.600 --> 1:50:58.160 Eighty five? 1:50:58.280 --> 1:50:59.640 I thought that was his last year, and then he 1:50:59.640 --> 1:51:03.880 came back played in eighty seven. Okay, so I'm going 1:51:03.960 --> 1:51:04.840 to say that. 1:51:05.640 --> 1:51:07.640 All right, you got that one, right, Audrey writes in 1:51:07.720 --> 1:51:11.479 Happy Wednesday to the Blue crew, Right, Fred, please fix 1:51:11.560 --> 1:51:14.240 the TV monitors behind you? Yesterday it was the only 1:51:14.280 --> 1:51:17.639 one behind Deuce now all three. A frequent bright white 1:51:17.760 --> 1:51:20.599 line across like a refresh. Not good on the eyes. 1:51:20.640 --> 1:51:22.280 I think that's by design, right. 1:51:22.880 --> 1:51:23.679 I could take it off. 1:51:24.280 --> 1:51:28.639 I don't care, but she was meant to be there, right, Yeah, 1:51:28.680 --> 1:51:30.360 I just notice it. Yeah, I see it. 1:51:30.360 --> 1:51:32.960 It's a white line that goes across where. 1:51:33.320 --> 1:51:38.000 Yeah, you got away, hold on, hold on, there you 1:51:38.000 --> 1:51:41.160 see it? Did you see it? Yeah? It's like a UFO. 1:51:42.439 --> 1:51:45.240 I don't know, you're just changing screens. I get it. 1:51:45.240 --> 1:51:47.720 It happens every eight seconds on the twenty second. 1:51:47.439 --> 1:51:49.280 Matt, Matt being creative, Right, it. 1:51:49.280 --> 1:51:50.439 Really was me being creative. 1:51:50.720 --> 1:51:52.479 Job that job, Matt, change it. 1:51:54.160 --> 1:51:54.920 I will take it off. 1:51:55.000 --> 1:51:56.400 It was debated before answer. 1:51:56.520 --> 1:52:00.479 So the off season question, what is one thing over 1:52:00.520 --> 1:52:03.439 the remainder of the summer that you're looking forward to? 1:52:03.720 --> 1:52:05.960 Something not sports related? Oh? 1:52:06.560 --> 1:52:09.800 Yeah, Sunday, I'm going to be on the beach on 1:52:09.880 --> 1:52:10.400 Cape Cod. 1:52:10.520 --> 1:52:14.800 Well, I will have an announcement to make. I mentioned 1:52:14.840 --> 1:52:18.120 it before as a thought, but it is coming to Fruition. 1:52:18.640 --> 1:52:22.760 I'm going to be starting my own podcast. It's kind 1:52:22.760 --> 1:52:23.160 of an. 1:52:23.040 --> 1:52:24.080 Extension of this show. 1:52:24.200 --> 1:52:27.880 But what it's more about the house I live in 1:52:28.000 --> 1:52:30.160 and the history of Cape Cod and all that stuff. 1:52:30.200 --> 1:52:35.040 But we'll be talking about appliances and do it yourself 1:52:35.160 --> 1:52:38.559 stuff and all the stuff that piss you off in 1:52:39.600 --> 1:52:43.480 UFOs and conspiracy theories and all this. A friend of mine, myself, 1:52:43.600 --> 1:52:46.800 Mark Callahan, We're going to be starting a podcast. I 1:52:46.880 --> 1:52:49.400 think I don't hold me to it. I think we're 1:52:49.400 --> 1:52:54.759 going to film our first episode July eighteenth. 1:52:53.400 --> 1:52:54.400 F you, Fred, And. 1:52:54.439 --> 1:52:58.840 We're doing some pre recording on Friday. That's going to be, 1:52:58.880 --> 1:53:02.320 you know, part of the show. Oh, it's not live. 1:53:02.360 --> 1:53:05.200 It's not like this show where it's live. Uh, it's 1:53:05.240 --> 1:53:08.439 going to be pre recorded podcasts. But certainly we'll be 1:53:08.439 --> 1:53:10.920 taking emails and all that stuff and answering and then 1:53:10.960 --> 1:53:13.880 I think once a month maybe we'll do a live stream. 1:53:14.360 --> 1:53:17.640 We'll see how the But I'll be officially announcing it 1:53:17.680 --> 1:53:21.479 on my ex and all that. But if you're listening 1:53:21.479 --> 1:53:24.120 to this show on a Wednesday in the middle of summer, 1:53:24.200 --> 1:53:27.519 you've got some news and it's going to be called 1:53:27.560 --> 1:53:28.800 Live from the Toby House. 1:53:29.280 --> 1:53:33.080 Okay, Yeah, Cape History, Little Cape History, Yeah, the Widdow. 1:53:33.240 --> 1:53:34.439 Yeah, I go check out that pirate. 1:53:34.560 --> 1:53:35.800 I'm a little worried about Fred. 1:53:35.800 --> 1:53:39.479 I sounds like he's sort of a covering our positioning. Yeah, 1:53:39.560 --> 1:53:41.880 you're covering out a path going down in the wrong direction. 1:53:41.960 --> 1:53:45.960 I don't like this. You have a responsibility to make 1:53:46.080 --> 1:53:46.760 out No, but. 1:53:46.680 --> 1:53:48.240 I've been talking. I've been thinking about this for a 1:53:48.280 --> 1:53:48.920 long thoughts. 1:53:48.960 --> 1:53:50.479 You got things, you know, and you don't have to 1:53:50.560 --> 1:53:52.880 drive all the way to compile them. You can just 1:53:52.920 --> 1:53:54.000 do them right there in your house. 1:53:54.200 --> 1:53:55.080 YEA good. 1:53:55.200 --> 1:53:57.960 So what about you, PAULI, what do you got left? 1:53:58.000 --> 1:53:59.240 I had nothing going in life. 1:53:59.360 --> 1:54:02.200 No, I don't want to do just I'm taking next 1:54:02.200 --> 1:54:05.080 week off hoping to do some fun things. Might go 1:54:05.120 --> 1:54:07.840 see the tall ships Monday night. Little dinner cruise sounds cool, 1:54:08.200 --> 1:54:09.080 there's my soulmate. 1:54:11.400 --> 1:54:11.639 Yeah. 1:54:11.920 --> 1:54:13.400 Just some day trips planned. 1:54:13.479 --> 1:54:16.160 Yeah, and some fill in shows, as Fred likes to 1:54:16.160 --> 1:54:20.559 call them, a sad holiday fill in tomorrow replacement tomorrow morning. 1:54:20.800 --> 1:54:25.080 Tomorrow is the big talk about that Tomorrow six am Eastern, 1:54:25.200 --> 1:54:27.559 six to ten on the Sports Hub here in Boston. 1:54:27.720 --> 1:54:32.800 Hardy Perillo and Heart Oh the old I got the 1:54:32.880 --> 1:54:36.320 old Patriots pre and postgame show back together. We've already 1:54:36.360 --> 1:54:39.160 been on the Slack channel for the show, and Andy 1:54:39.160 --> 1:54:40.960 and I have already you go on Slack for this. 1:54:41.000 --> 1:54:43.600 We've laid down the gauntlet. Well, they asked me not to. 1:54:43.560 --> 1:54:46.520 Say the Golden Girls. Has there been such a reunion show? 1:54:46.640 --> 1:54:48.760 They lay down the gauntlet to see Andy and I 1:54:48.800 --> 1:54:50.640 how fast we can get Hardy to walk out of 1:54:50.680 --> 1:54:52.520 the studio. Yeah, that's our golden. 1:54:52.360 --> 1:54:55.320 Drops in the middle of the like like a segment 1:54:55.400 --> 1:54:56.360 around the around. 1:54:56.160 --> 1:54:58.520 The eight o'clock hour. I just want you to throw 1:54:58.520 --> 1:55:00.240 on everybody loves. 1:55:00.320 --> 1:55:05.800 I donut see what he'll laugh. He will definitely ask. 1:55:05.720 --> 1:55:07.560 Him about his music shows too, and ask him to 1:55:07.600 --> 1:55:09.640 ask him to do play music. 1:55:09.920 --> 1:55:13.000 Ask him if he gets blue Choo for free. 1:55:13.320 --> 1:55:21.000 He's the blue Choo guy. It's ED medicine. Yeah, look 1:55:21.000 --> 1:55:23.640 at like we can get that. 1:55:24.960 --> 1:55:27.640 That was band performance enhancing Vicky Van. 1:55:29.320 --> 1:55:31.800 Yeah, he's the guy. He's the blue Choo guy. 1:55:32.280 --> 1:55:33.880 He's walking around handing out to people. 1:55:34.080 --> 1:55:36.120 Yeah, well that's what I want to know. Does he 1:55:36.200 --> 1:55:37.680 get like free blue choo? 1:55:38.200 --> 1:55:38.480 That was. 1:55:40.000 --> 1:55:40.560 Like full on? 1:55:40.680 --> 1:55:43.600 Remember that in H D T U D t F 1:55:43.640 --> 1:55:46.320 Saint Louis where she's like full on, full on, she's 1:55:46.320 --> 1:55:47.080 getting full on. 1:55:47.200 --> 1:55:49.200 Does he get free blue Choo or do they stiff him? 1:55:49.440 --> 1:55:51.240 I'm trying to forget that I watched that show. 1:55:51.320 --> 1:55:51.720 All right. 1:55:52.200 --> 1:55:55.040 That'll be it for this edition of Patriot's Unfiltered. And 1:55:55.040 --> 1:55:57.839 that's it for this week. We're back to our regular 1:55:57.880 --> 1:56:01.000 schedule next week Tuesdays and Thursday in the off season, 1:56:01.440 --> 1:56:03.040 getting close to training camp. 1:56:03.960 --> 1:56:05.480 But we will see you next Tuesday. 1:56:07.880 --> 1:56:10.040 Hey, this is Duce. Thanks for tuning into the show. 1:56:10.120 --> 1:56:11.720 If you really want to help us, make sure you 1:56:11.800 --> 1:56:14.240 like us wherever you get your podcasts, like Apple Podcasts 1:56:14.280 --> 1:56:15.040 or Spotify. 1:56:15.200 --> 1:56:16.520 Also make sure you follow us on. 1:56:16.440 --> 1:56:18.600 The New England Patriots YouTube channel to see this show 1:56:18.600 --> 1:56:20.480 and everything else that we do here at the Patriots. 1:56:20.640 --> 1:56:21.160 Thanks a lot,