1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: What are some of the signs and symptoms that someone 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: would be experiencing that you've got a bad gut and 3 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: you need to do something about it. 4 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 2: If you have any complaint, then it's actually coming from 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: your gut. Whether it's a headache, whether it's acne, whether 6 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 2: it's examo, whether it's high blood pressure, diabetes, it's all 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: coming from the guy. 8 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: Doctor Gundry is a renowned heart surgent and the author 9 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: of several best selling books, including The Plant Paradox and 10 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: The Longevity Paradox. 11 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: Hippocrates, the father of medicine, twenty five hundred years ago, 12 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: said that all disease begins in the gut. 13 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: So for somebody who's listening to this and is thinking, 14 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: you know what, I want to make my gut better, like, 15 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: what are the first few basic things somebody can do? 16 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 2: It takes most people nine months to to literally seal 17 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: their leaky gut. So the first thing I tell everyone 18 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: to do is. 19 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm Rady Wukia And on my podcast A Really Good Cry, 20 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: we embrace the messy and the beautiful, providing a space 21 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: for raw, unfiltered conversations that celebrate vulnerability and allow you 22 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: to tune in to learn, connect and find comfort together. 23 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: Doctor Gundry, thank you so much for being here today. 24 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: I am so excited to have you. We had been 25 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: on a panel before, and as soon as I heard 26 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: you speak, I was like, I have to get him 27 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: on my podcast because I really appreciate it so much 28 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: of what you spoke about. So thank you. 29 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: Well, thanks for inviting me. It's great to be here. 30 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: Well, I'm just going to give a little introduction for 31 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: anybody who doesn't know who doctor Gundry is. Doctor Gundry 32 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: is a renowned heart surgeon and the author of several 33 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: best selling books, including The Plant Paradox and The Longevity Paradox. 34 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: He just told me he's on his ninth book now 35 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: and he just came out with a new book called 36 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: The Gut Brain Paradox. Improve your mood, clear brain fog, 37 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: and reverse disease by healing your microbiome. Congratulations, Well, thanks 38 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: very much, nine Verkus. That is incredible and you've spent 39 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: over forty years in the medical field and you are 40 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: one of the leading experts in gut microbiome, So thank you. 41 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: I appreciate all the work that you do and I'm 42 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: so excited to get into it because I read this 43 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: stat that said only a third of the American population 44 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: even knows what the term gut micro biome is. So 45 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: I want to wheel it back and start off by 46 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: asking what exactly is the gut microbiome. 47 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. In fact, it's amazing that 48 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 2: even physicians don't know what the gut microbiom. Mark Hyman, 49 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: doctor Heyman, is a friend of mine, and he and 50 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: I were talking off camera a few months ago. He 51 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: has a daughter who's a third year medical student at 52 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: a very prestigious medical school. In her third year, she 53 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: has yet to have a course on the microbiome. No, 54 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: you know, if doctors aren't being trained about the microbiome, 55 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: then no one should be embarrassed that they haven't heard 56 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: about the microbiome. And I'm a slow learner. Hippocrates, the 57 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: father of medicine, twenty five hundred years ago, said that 58 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: all disease begins in the gut. The guy was right. 59 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: The reason I'm a slow learner is I've been studying 60 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: the gut now for thirty years and the revelations that 61 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 2: were learning out these marvelous creatures that live in us 62 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: and on us, and the effect they have on everything 63 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: that happens to us is just remarkable. Microbiome is kind 64 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 2: of used to describe the denisens that live in our 65 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: intestines and that our gut from our mouth all the 66 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: way down to our rear end. The vast majority of 67 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: them live in our large bowl or colon, and there's 68 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: about five to six pounds of these guys. To put 69 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: actual numbers on them, just in our gut, there's a 70 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: hundred trillion bacteria alone. There's about eight trillion trees that 71 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: have been counted in the world, eight trillion trees in 72 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: the world, and so there's a huge quantum number more 73 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: bacteria in each of our guts. 74 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: Incredible. 75 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: There's also a thousand different species of bacteria that live 76 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: in our mouse. There's about seven hundred different species of 77 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: bacteria that live in our skin, and you and I 78 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: actually have a cloud of bacteria surrounding us, surrounding us, 79 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 2: and so that whole group is called the holo biome, 80 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: but I think it's easier just for nomenclature to call 81 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: it the microbiome, and that doesn't mention all the viruses 82 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: that are in there, all the molds and fungi that 83 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: are in there, and all the other critters, including worms 84 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: that are in there. 85 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: And what would you say is the main role of 86 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: the microbiome. 87 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: We're a symbiotic organism, and by that we have agreed 88 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: to have these guys live in us for the purpose 89 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: of doing actually a lot of things for us. In exchange, 90 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 2: we feed them what they need to eat. Of course, 91 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 2: we haven't been doing good job of that recently. But 92 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: we take for granted that much of the computing power 93 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: of our computers is not housed in our computer at all. 94 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: It's up in the cloud. It's in some supercomputer somewhere else. 95 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: But we can access that computing power from like our smartphone. 96 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: Humans have very few genes. We actually have fewer genes 97 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: than a sand fleet. Believe it or not, we have 98 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: fewer genes than corn, and yet we're supposedly the most 99 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 2: complex thinking animal there is. So many of us think 100 00:05:54,720 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: that we've actually uploaded our day to day decision making 101 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: computed power to our microbiome. Why because even though individual 102 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 2: bacteria don't have as many genes as humans, the vast 103 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 2: mass of this bacteria, which are constantly reproducing and constantly 104 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: changing genes and sharing information with other bacteria, even viruses, 105 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: we're pretty convinced that we've made most of the decision 106 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 2: making power, computing power for us our microbiome. 107 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: I feel like nobody really knows that, even when you 108 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: were saying that it's a symbiotic relationship. In my mind, 109 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: I feel quite connected to my body, and I feel 110 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: like I know my body quite well. But I've never 111 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: thought of it as a symbiotic relationship that I am 112 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: feeding these gut microbiome, and the gut microbiome are doing 113 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: so much for me. You always think that the body 114 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: is here for me to use and to utilize, but 115 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: you don't realize that there's so much living within us 116 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: that it's actually a relationship that we have with everything 117 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: that's within our body and it's alive, and the microorganisms 118 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: that have so much intelligence. 119 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: It's hard for us, intelligent thinking creatures to conceive that 120 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 2: these onesell organisms have intelligence, that they're sentient beings. And 121 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: yet we know that they can actually see other bacteria. 122 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: They can actually know how many of their kind are 123 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,239 Speaker 2: near them. It's called quorum sensing. It's almost like planning 124 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: a rage party or something, a rave party. They can 125 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: actually know when to make an action, They can know 126 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: who a bad guy is and they can actually make 127 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: combinations of chemicals to try and make those bad guys 128 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: go away. They can even try to save each other. 129 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: I just came back from a big microbiome meaning in Malta. 130 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:58,679 Speaker 1: That sounds fun. 131 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I usually present there every year, and I did 132 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: this year. But one of the most amazing things is 133 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: that bacteria, believe it or not, are predated upon by viruses. 134 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: They're infected by viruses called phages, and to try and 135 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 2: to save their kind from viruses, they'll share anti viral 136 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:28,679 Speaker 2: information with each other through little text messages like Okay, 137 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: you know there's viruses on the way, here's how to 138 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 2: outsmart them. And so we're finally beginning to able to 139 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 2: see how complex this society is that lives within us. 140 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: One of my patients is a Buddhist scholar and he 141 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 2: reads Sanscript and we were talking about this not too 142 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 2: long ago, and he said, you know, I wonder if 143 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 2: the Buddha knew this, because Buddha and Hippocrates were actually contemporary. 144 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 2: And he came back he says, guess what In Sanskrit, 145 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 2: the Buddha says enlightenment comes from the intestines. Wow. So 146 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 2: it's like, WHOA, he did know it? 147 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: Hypocri I do think there's so much in ancient wisdom. 148 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: I've studied Iraveda very briefly, and I study a lot 149 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: of texts that are sanscrit and it just blows my 150 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: mind that we disregard knowledge that has been around for 151 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of years, but we accept things that 152 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: have been around for fifteen years, ten years, five years 153 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: so easily. And I think there's this really interesting balance 154 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: between everything and needing to be scientifically proven and how 155 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: it's scientifically proven versus knowledge that has come down from 156 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: generations and generations and generations. And I would love to ask, 157 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: how do you balance that? As someone who is part 158 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: of the doctor world, part of the medical industry, but 159 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: you're quoting things from Hippocrates and from such ancient wisdom, 160 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: how do you balance that in the work that you do. 161 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 2: If you had asked me even twenty years ago what 162 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: I thought about leaky gut, I probably would have told 163 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: you it was pseudoscience. Wow, there's a professor who's now 164 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: a pediatric astorondrologist at Harvard who is actually found how 165 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 2: leaky gut happens, how to quantify it how to measure it. 166 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: And I've been measuring leaky gut in my patients now 167 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 2: for fifteen years. And we can not only quantify it, 168 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: but measure it, and we can watch it heal, you know, 169 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 2: we can watch it it worse, we could put now 170 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: science on what was seemingly pseudoscience. And what's really exciting 171 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 2: about the microbiome long ago, when back in the dark ages, 172 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 2: when I was in medical school, we used to kind 173 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: of think that the gi track the gut was well, 174 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 2: we'd eat some stuff, we'd squirt some enzymes in it, 175 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 2: magic happened, we would absorb nutrients and whatever we didn't 176 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 2: need went out the rear end. Well, now, since the 177 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 2: Human Microbiome project, which only got started in two thousand 178 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 2: and seven and finished in twenty seventeen, very recent history, 179 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: we now know that the magic that was actually these 180 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: gut microbiome and now we can not only count their numbers, 181 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: we can identify who they are, and we can actually 182 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: figure out what those guys are doing, and we can 183 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: we discovered I wrote two books about this language that 184 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: they communicate with us and with themselves that are called 185 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 2: post biotics. And most of us have heard about pro biotics, 186 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 2: which are the quote friendly. A lot of us are 187 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: beginning to understand that the probiotics need food to eat, 188 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 2: which are prebiotics, which are mostly soluble fiber. And what 189 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: we didn't know was, Okay, what do they do once 190 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: they eat? They produce these compounds which are now called 191 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: post biotics. This is an amazingly complex messaging system that 192 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 2: uses gases that use short chain fatty acids and literally 193 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: text messages called exosomes and extracellular vesicles. I just came 194 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: back from the Society of extracellular vesicles. There is such 195 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 2: a thing where we can now actually see and measure 196 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 2: these text messages that bacteria send to us that actually 197 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 2: make us do things. 198 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: Wow, like what give me an example. 199 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: We know that people who are depressed or anxious have 200 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 2: a depressive micro biome, have an anxious microbiome that literally 201 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: send out messages to make us depressed, to make us anxious. 202 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: I got into this because it's a great number of 203 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: my patients, most of whom have autoimmune diseases. We're on 204 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: one or two antidepressants or anti anxiety medications, and early 205 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 2: on used to see a lot of men for heart 206 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: disease and for diabetes and high blood pressure. And I 207 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: always felt that the sport was a two person sport, 208 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 2: so I would make their wives come in, yes, and 209 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 2: get a history and physical from them as well. And 210 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: invariably the wives were usually skinny and just so happened 211 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: to be on one or two antidepressants. And I go, 212 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 2: how come you're on antidepressants? She said, jeez, if you 213 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: were married to him, you'd be on an antidepressant. True story, 214 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: but a huge number of my female patients were on 215 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 2: antidepressants so long that they often wouldn't even think that 216 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: were writing depression as a complaint. And I said, you know, 217 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 2: I think you're going to find that as we go 218 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: along that you're probably not going to need your antidepressants anymore. 219 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: I don't want you to stop them, but let's just see. 220 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 2: And I write about one of my patients who, as 221 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: we went along, she was on two antidepressants. And I 222 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 2: saw her usually you see him every three months, and 223 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 2: about nine months in she had a sheepish look on 224 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: her face when I saw her, and she said, don't 225 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: get mad at me, but I'm off my antidepressants. I'm 226 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: not mad at you. That's what I would have expected. 227 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 2: I didn't want to tell you, but we had changed. 228 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 2: She had changed her microbiome, she had stopped her leaky gut. 229 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: She was no longer getting signals to her brain that 230 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: she was under attack. If you will, and she said, 231 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: the amazing thing is, you won't believe how much better 232 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 2: my brain works now, because that fog of the antidepressants 233 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 2: was going on. 234 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: So interesting and. 235 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: What's really exciting. Most antidepressants are what are called serotonin 236 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 2: reuptake inhibitors SSRIs, and supposedly they work by preventing the 237 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: breakdown of serotonin in our brain, the fuel good hormone. Okay, well, 238 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: if that's how they actually worked, then one would think 239 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: I could swallow one of these and the next day 240 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 2: my depression would be gone because my serotonin would not 241 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: be broken down. It takes at least a month for 242 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: these things to have any effect, so then you go, well, 243 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 2: what's the mechanism that these things are acting? And sure enough, 244 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 2: it turns out that these drugs actually change the microbiome 245 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: to a non depressive microbiome, and microbiome change doesn't happen overnight. 246 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 2: It takes actually quite a period of time. So unbeknownst 247 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 2: to any of us, the action of these drugs was 248 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: actually happening down in the gut, not in the brain. Wow, 249 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 2: and I got brain paradox. 250 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: Yes, I need to read that book. Actually, that sounds 251 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: so fascinating when people are thinking about their gut. Now 252 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: we know that there's from what you've just told us, 253 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: there's a correlation between our gut and our emotions, our 254 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: depressive points in our life, our anxieties. But what does 255 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: a normal person that doesn't know much about the gut, 256 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: how can they know that they've got something wrong with 257 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: the gut? And how do you know what a healthy 258 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: gut looks like? What do you feel like? What does 259 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: it feel like? 260 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's interesting women. I have a wife 261 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 2: and two daughters. Women have a gut sense and men, 262 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 2: unfortunately somehow don't get that. But you guys are really 263 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 2: much more in touch with your gut. And I think 264 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 2: it's intriguing that autoimmune diseases are actually far more common 265 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: in women than they are in men. And here's another 266 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: shocking finding is, believe it or not, dementia and Parkinson's 267 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 2: and Alzheimer's is much more common in women than it 268 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 2: is in men. And I mean, you guys are the stronger. 269 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: I mean, come on. And one of the reasons is 270 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 2: is because you guys, your gut microbiome and the wall 271 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: of your gut, your intestinal permeability is no offense. Really lousy. Yeah, 272 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: we now know that what happens in the gut is 273 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 2: not like Las vegas. It doesn't stay in the gut. 274 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 2: And what happens in the gut actually is transmitted, among 275 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: other things, to the brain, both good things and bad things. Right, 276 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 2: And so we now know that, for instance, Parkinson's and 277 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 2: Alzheimer's is actually caused from the gut, not the other 278 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 2: way around, and that the brain is actually trying to 279 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: protect itself from this perceived attack. These hordes that are 280 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: going that are leaving the gut and coming up to 281 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 2: attack the people hear about amyloid plaques and TAW proteins 282 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 2: in the brain, these are actually defensive mechanisms that the 283 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 2: immune system of the brain is throwing down like barriers 284 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 2: because of this attack that's on the way from the gut. Wow. 285 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 2: And we're just now really beginning to understand how you 286 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 2: know this is happening, and what we can do not 287 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 2: only to stop it, but to roll back the damage. 288 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: And that's what's the exciting party. All of this is fixable. 289 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: That's at least that's hopeful. That is hopeful. And so 290 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: what are some of the signs and symptoms that someone 291 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: would be experiencing to know that they need to be 292 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: working on their gup, like that you've got a bad 293 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: gut and you need to do something about it. 294 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: Well, for instance, I'll give you a personal example. I 295 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 2: was a very famous heart surgeon did baby hard transplants, 296 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 2: and I did baby heart transplants with migraine headaches. And 297 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: I don't recommend that my father had migraine, so I assumed, well, 298 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 2: he had migraines. I have migraines. Imagine my surprise when 299 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 2: I started changing my diet many years ago, thirty years ago, 300 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: that my migraine headaches went away. Yeah, and I am 301 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 2: in migraine headache in thirty years. And a lot of 302 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 2: what I wrote about in my earliest books were people 303 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: with migrain headaches, people in my family with migraines, who 304 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 2: their migraine headaches went away when we changed their gut. 305 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: And you know, I made some bold statements in my 306 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 2: biggest best seller, of The Plant Paradox, that if you 307 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 2: have any complaint. Then it's actually coming from your gut. 308 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: Whether it's a headache, whether it's acne, whether it's examo, 309 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: whether it's the heartbreak of psoriasis, whether it's high blood pressure, 310 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 2: whether it's diabetes, whether it's coronary arteries. It's all coming 311 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: from the gut. And like Hpocrty said, all disease comes 312 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 2: from the gut, and I paraphrase him to say, well, 313 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: all disease can be reversed from the gun. And that's 314 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: that's why I still see patients six days a week, Wow, 315 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: even on Saturdays and Sundays. 316 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: Really they need it. 317 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 2: Well I need it because I get to see what 318 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 2: I would have called a miracle thirty years ago because 319 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 2: it was so unexpected, so unable to be explained by science, 320 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 2: if you will. But now I hope not a day 321 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: goes by that I don't get to see, you know, 322 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 2: a miracle what I would have called a miracle. Now 323 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 2: it's like I wonder, you know, I'm like a kid 324 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 2: in a candy streaking Yeah, bad example, but I just 325 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 2: can't wait to who I'm going to see today that's 326 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 2: going to tell me this great story And what are 327 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 2: some of. 328 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: The basic things that people can start with you know, 329 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: sometimes everyone sold supplements and everyone sold so many things 330 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: that can be really expensive to go and get your 331 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: checks done, to get your gut checks, to get your 332 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: bloods checked. You know, health nowadays can be quite an 333 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: expensive journey. So for somebody who's listening to this and 334 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: is thinking, you know what, I want to make my 335 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: gut better, where do I start? 336 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 2: Like? 337 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: What are the first few basic things somebody can do? 338 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the first thing I tell everyone to do 339 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 2: is start taking vitamin D three. 340 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: Okay, great. 341 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 2: Here in southern California, eighty percent of my patients when 342 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 2: I first see them are vitamin D defish. Yeah, the CDC. Yeah, 343 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 2: and you know we live in southern California and its 344 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: sunny in London. Yeah, London. 345 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: London does not get the sunshine, so I imagine they 346 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 1: definitely need some bit of indeed. 347 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so we don't. We do not get enough 348 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 2: vitamin D from the sun, and we're told to slather 349 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: on sunscreen and protect ourselves, so we do not have 350 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 2: enough vitamin D. And vitamin D is absolutely positively essential 351 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: to keep number one, the wall of our gut intact. 352 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 2: Number two. It turns out that the higher level of 353 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 2: vitamin D, the more diverse your gut microbiome. In now, 354 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 2: what I mean by that, we know now that this 355 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 2: gut microbiome is kind of like a tropical rainforest, And 356 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 2: just like a tropical rainforest, there's these diverse number of 357 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 2: species and they're all kind of dependent on each other. 358 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 2: Each does a particular job, and if one of them 359 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 2: kind of overgrows, the other guys kind of gang up 360 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 2: and keep things imbalance. What happens is vitamin D actually 361 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 2: promotes this diversity of the gut microbiome. So that's number one. 362 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 2: The University of California, San Diego down the road as 363 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: a huge vitamin D research group. They think the average American, 364 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 2: average American should be taking nine thousand, six hundred international 365 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: units of vitamin D three a day. That's basically ten 366 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: thousand international units. For people who don't use the international units, 367 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 2: that's two hundred and fifty microgram. You can buy these 368 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: little five thousand iu vitamin d's anywhere, and they're little 369 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 2: bitty things, and so there's no excuse to just pop 370 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 2: a couple of these in your mouth. I've never seen 371 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: vitamin D toxicity. I don't think it exists. The University 372 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 2: of California, San Diego hasn't seen vitamin detoxicity at forty 373 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 2: thousand international units a day. 374 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: And is there a difference between taking liquid form or 375 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: a capsule? Does one absorber than the other? 376 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 2: Believe it or not? Most of the time the capsules 377 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: work much better than the liquid. Yes, most of my 378 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 2: patients on the liquid I think the what's better? But 379 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 2: when we change them over to the capsule form, their 380 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: vinament d's go up much better. 381 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: Okay, that's good to know. I always don't maybe they. 382 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 2: No, everybody seems to think that, but quite the opposite 383 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 2: of my practice. So that's number one. Yes, number two, 384 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 2: you got to give these I call them gut buddies, 385 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 2: the good guys, things that they need to eat. And 386 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 2: in general, that's prebiotic fiber. What the heck is that? Well? 387 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 2: Pre biotic fiber long ago? Are great grandparents, great great 388 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: grandparents ate a lot of tubers, whether they were root 389 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 2: vegetables in general, artichokes are a great source of prebiotic fiber. 390 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 2: The chickory family vegetables is one of the best. Asparagus 391 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,239 Speaker 2: is a great source. Even things like plantains are a 392 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 2: great source. Green bananas are a great source, not ripe banans. 393 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: They're unfortunately pure sugar. So getting these into the is 394 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 2: really important because this is what these guys want to eat. 395 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 2: But there's a very important proviso, and I like to 396 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 2: give credit where credit is due. There's a husbanoid team 397 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: at Stanford, their microbiologists by the name of the Sonenbergs, 398 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 2: and they did a really great experiment with healthy human volunteers. 399 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 2: They asked them to eat a lot of probiotic fiber. 400 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 2: In this case it was inulin, and inulin is in chickering. 401 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 2: They looked at their gut microbiome diversity and a more 402 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: diverse is better. And they looked at their inflammation markers 403 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 2: and they game all this fiber and their gut microbiome 404 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 2: diversity didn't change, and their inflammation markers change. They go, 405 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 2: what the heck? You know, this is what these guys 406 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: want to eat. You know what? What what? So they said, 407 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 2: h I wonder if back in the good old days, 408 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: our ancestors ate a lot of fermented foods, whether they 409 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: knew it or not. Even something as simple as bread 410 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 2: up until seventy years ago was fermented in the process 411 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 2: of you know, raising bread. We ate a lot of 412 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: fermented foods. The only way you could preserve dairy was 413 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 2: via fermentation to make it into a yogurt or keyfear 414 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 2: or a cheese. In fact, the only way you could 415 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 2: preserve meat long ago was by fermentation, by literally bacterial 416 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 2: fermentation of sausages. Fun fact, preshudo is actually a fermented food. 417 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 2: So they said, maybe we should get of these guys 418 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 2: fermented foods, sauerkraut, another one, kambucha, not the high shirt. 419 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 2: And please, we'll give them some yogurts, and we'll give 420 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 2: them some kiffirs, and we'll also give them the inum. Yes, 421 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 2: the combination of the fermented foods and the injun Now, 422 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 2: all of a sudden they've got microbiome diversity bloomed and 423 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 2: their inflammation markers went out. So it was one two punch. 424 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 2: So you've gotta give the bacteria what they need, but 425 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 2: they also need these precursors, which are post biotics. That's 426 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 2: one of the huge things that's missing from our diet. 427 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 2: So we don't have any fiber in our diet, yes, 428 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 2: and we don't have any fermented foods in our diet. 429 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 2: But you gotta have both. 430 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: Amazing fiber fermented foods, Vitamin D. 431 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 432 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: Then the third thing, let's tell us. 433 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 2: Heal somebody's leaky gut. When I started doing this years ago, 434 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 2: I was naive and I thought you could do it 435 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: in two weeks. Boy was I wrong. It takes most 436 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: people nine months to a year to literally seal their 437 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 2: leaky gut. I, for instance, make supplements of gunder a MD. 438 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 2: They're pretty dog on good and sealing leaky gut, and 439 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 2: I'm happy to sell them to you. But if you 440 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 2: keep swallowing razor blades every day, you will just slice 441 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 2: that right open again. Now, what are the razor blades? Well, 442 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 2: that's what made me famous or infamous. And those are 443 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 2: some of the foods that we think are really good 444 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: for us. And these are lectin containing foods. And lectins 445 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 2: are plant proteins that are the defense system of the 446 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 2: plant against it or its babies, its seeds being eaten. 447 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 2: Probably the most famous is gluten. A hundred percent of 448 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 2: my patients with leaky gut are sensitive to gluten in wheat, rye, barley, 449 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 2: And there's also a gluten like molecule in oats, and 450 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 2: so I at least temporarily take those away seventy percent 451 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 2: of my patients are sensitive to the proteins in corn 452 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 2: and gluten free people are eating mostly corn products and 453 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 2: that's why they don't in general get any better. And 454 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 2: I see them all the time. Next are in the 455 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 2: night shade family of vegetables. The white potato, the tomato, 456 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,959 Speaker 2: the peppers, the eggplant, and gogieberries are actually night shades. 457 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 2: So the good news about that is the lectins are 458 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 2: in the peels and the seeds, so if you peel 459 00:30:53,840 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 2: and deceed them, you do just fine. Finally, beans, beans 460 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 2: are loaded with lectins or the mums peas, they are 461 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 2: just full of it. But if you ferment them, if 462 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 2: you soak them. Have you ever ever soaked beans in 463 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 2: a pot? Yes? Okay, do you em or not? It's 464 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: the scum that heavns, that scum and all those bubbles, 465 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 2: that's no, that's the fermentation. It's breaking down the lectins. 466 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: Bacteria eat lectans, so the fermentation process destroys lectans, and traditionally, 467 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 2: for instance in Tuscany, you usually soak beans for forty 468 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: eight hours before you cook them. 469 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, my mum only soaks her beans. She doesn't buy 470 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: any canned beans. She only soaks all her beans and 471 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: her lentils. 472 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Now the good news is there are two companies 473 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: that pressure cook beans and take the work out of it. 474 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 2: Pressure cooking destroys lectins except gluten. It won't destroy gluten 475 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 2: so eden Brand, and again I have no affiliation with 476 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:11,239 Speaker 2: these people. Eden Brand beans de M and there's no 477 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 2: BPA in their cans. And then there's an Italian company 478 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 2: called Jovial, Yeah, that soaks their beans and then pressure cooks. 479 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: There's a glass jar, so triple good. You know, there's 480 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 2: quick ways around this. So I'm a big bean fan. 481 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 2: As long as you basically detoxify them, you go. Doctor 482 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 2: gunrays me. I don't hate beans. But one of the 483 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 2: things I see that's really disturbing to me is all 484 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 2: this pea protein that is now being put in things. 485 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 2: Pea protein is a bean, it's a lagome. And just 486 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 2: recently I had a patient who's been doing extremely well 487 00:32:53,920 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 2: and he had hashimotives, thyroiditis. We resolved it, he had leak, 488 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 2: he got, we resolved it, and he recently called me. 489 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 2: He says, hey, you know, I just had my thyroid 490 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: checked and my thyroid's acting up, and what the heck? 491 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 2: And I said, did you change anything in your diet? 492 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 2: He said, are you kidding me? You know? You know me, 493 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 2: I'm so clean. I said, jad any drinks? Yeah? He said, 494 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 2: oh yeah, I added a new drink that you know. 495 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 2: It's a green drink and it's really good. It's clean. 496 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 2: And I said, take a screenshot. Number two ingredient was 497 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 2: pea protein and I said, what the heck are you 498 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 2: doing with that? And he said, what do you mean? 499 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 2: I said, it's pea protein. He said, well shoot, and 500 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 2: he said, all right, I'm stopping it. So I actually 501 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 2: just talked to him ten days later. He said, you're 502 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 2: not going to believe this. My energy level is through 503 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 2: the roof after I stopped that stuff. Why didn't you 504 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 2: warn me? Standing around looking at everything you eat? But 505 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 2: I see this over and over again when people are 506 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 2: adding these super foods or super drinks that usually there's 507 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 2: a culprit, and then you just have to look at 508 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,240 Speaker 2: the label really carefully. 509 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: I am last year because I was trying to increase 510 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: my muscle mass, and I had my trainers and people 511 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: telling me you have to increase your protein. You have 512 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: to increase your protein. And I'm plant based, so I 513 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: don't eat me or make sure anything, and so I 514 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: started taking protein shakes and I was having sometimes two 515 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: protein shakes a day, both of them made from pea protein, 516 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: and my gut as time was going on, I could 517 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: feel it. I was like, my gut is not happy. 518 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: And I was like, no, but I have to have 519 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: this because they're telling me I need to hit one 520 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty grams of protein at least. And I 521 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: was trying my best, and I went away over the 522 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: holidays and then I went to India where I do 523 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: like my spiritual retreat and during that time I had 524 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: time to think and I was like, my gut has 525 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: been telling me for so long you are not happy, 526 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: and I've been ignoring it for so long. I came 527 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: back here and I was like, I'm not doing it. 528 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: Like I could feel my body was deteriorating in other 529 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: ways and again like it was not just affecting my gut. 530 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: I was feeling my slump again in the afternoon where 531 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: I'd felt like I had no energy even though I'd eaten, 532 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 1: and I was progressively feeling like I was getting worse 533 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: and worse. And I was like, how can it be 534 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: that because I being told that this is what I need. 535 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: But now I've just started having proteins from whole sources 536 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: rather than trying to have it in powders and through 537 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: protein bars and through all those this process synthetic ways 538 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: of having them, which by the way, mostly have pea protein. 539 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 1: And that's so interesting that you've said that. 540 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 2: It's very cheap. 541 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: Wow. 542 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 2: And the other thing we miss is, again our great 543 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 2: great grandparents, there was no such thing as a protein powder. 544 00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 545 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 2: They ate whole things now, whether they ate whole plants 546 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 2: that were usually fermented, or they ate whole pieces of animal, 547 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 2: that was very different. And it took a long time, 548 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 2: number one, for those to be digested into individual amino 549 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 2: acids that would then be absorbed and there would be 550 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 2: lots of leftover things, prebiotics that our gut buddies were 551 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 2: waiting for. Well, now we've stripped these things down to 552 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 2: basically powdered amino acids, and what people don't realize is 553 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 2: they're instantly absorbed. And here's the bad news. There's a 554 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 2: professor of nutrition at Stanford by the name of Christopher Gardner. 555 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 2: He's basically a vegan, but the US government sets a 556 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 2: quote minimum required USDA per protein. Right. Well, what people 557 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 2: don't know is that when setting these standards, the average 558 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 2: American needs about well, the standard is zero point nine 559 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,839 Speaker 2: grams of protein per kilogram. Yeah, right, Where did that 560 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 2: standard come from? What turns out that fifty percent of 561 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 2: Americans only will get all of their protein requirement with 562 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 2: less than half of that they extended to cover ninety 563 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 2: five percent of people. So basically their recommendations are twice 564 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 2: the amount that a normal person needs. Twice. Yes, And 565 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:55,760 Speaker 2: what's really exciting is every day we recycle twenty grams 566 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 2: of protein by eating our mucus and our dead selves. Seriously, So, 567 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 2: Walter Longo at USC and I both say that really 568 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 2: all we in Christopher Gardner, all we mostly need is 569 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 2: about forty grams of protein a day. And here's the 570 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 2: worst part. Read the papers. About eighty two percent of 571 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 2: all the protein that we consume is converted not into 572 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 2: muscle and bone, but is converted to sugar. Why because 573 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 2: we do not have a storage system for calories that's 574 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 2: based on muscle. We have a storage system for calories 575 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 2: that's based on turning sugar into fat. And so we 576 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 2: don't waste that protein we converted into sugar it's called 577 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,839 Speaker 2: glucotoneogenesis so that we can store it as fat. Well. 578 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: I will tell you I've been not doing it for 579 00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: three weeks and I went up in muscle more than 580 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: I did when I was on it, and my inflammation 581 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: has gone down. My body feels so much better, and 582 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 1: that's only three weeks of being in remission from having 583 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,479 Speaker 1: so much protein. And I also read that most people 584 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,240 Speaker 1: in America there's there's more danger of people being eating 585 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: too much protein than there is of people being deficient 586 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 1: of it. 587 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,280 Speaker 2: We are overprotinized in this country. 588 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: I know why it's become such a focus. There's always something, 589 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: isn't it. There's always a. 590 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 2: Cycle, always something. There's always a TikTok trend. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, 591 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 2: it usually usually has very little basis in fact. 592 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So now that we're on things that you 593 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: know people should be avoiding, are there any other give me, 594 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: like your top five things that people may not be 595 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: realizing that they are eating but it's actually damaging their gut. 596 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: I know we spoke about the leatins and just p protein. 597 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you recommend people look out 598 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: for when they're reading labels? 599 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 2: One of the things that we really should be looking 600 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 2: at is the type of oils that are in most 601 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 2: of the products. I think the seed oil fear is 602 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 2: a bit overblown. Frankly, there are actually superb seed oils. 603 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 2: And my favorite of all time is the number one 604 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 2: oil of Korea and most of China, which is perilla 605 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 2: seed oil. People usually have never heard of perilla. Do 606 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 2: you know the coldiest plant, these very beautiful multi colored 607 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 2: leaves that people have in their gardens or sometimes is indoor. 608 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 2: So that's a perilla plant. 609 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 1: Oh, okay? 610 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,919 Speaker 2: From that, well, they if you let them bloom, then 611 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 2: they make seeds and they press the seeds and that's 612 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 2: where perilla oil is come. Now. The cool thing about 613 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 2: perilla oil is it's almost pure a short chain omega 614 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 2: three fat called alpha linolenic acid short ALA. Now supposedly 615 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:21,720 Speaker 2: the evil short chain omega six fat is linolaic acid, 616 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 2: and they sound very similar. So ala from perilla oil 617 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 2: is one of the best ways, experimentally and in my 618 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:38,839 Speaker 2: practice to keep bacterial particles out of our bloodstream, which 619 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 2: are called lipopolysaccharides their abbreviated lps's. I don't swear, but 620 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 2: how you remember it is little pieces of shit because 621 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 2: that's literally what they are. And so this inflammation that 622 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 2: we feel, this believe it or not, loss of muscle mass, 623 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,720 Speaker 2: is these little guys getting through the wall of your gut. 624 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 2: And it turns out perilla oil blocks them from doing that. 625 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 2: I put my patients basically on pure perilla oil for 626 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 2: several weeks. I don't even give them my favorite olive oil, 627 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 2: and I just take it away. Now here's the other thing. 628 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 2: The next best that you can get with the highest 629 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 2: amount of ala is organic canola oil. Now, most canola 630 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 2: oil is sprayed with g life essay. But now we 631 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 2: are finding producers who are making organic canol oil. So 632 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 2: canola oil is not the evil Empire. If it's organic, 633 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 2: it's not the best I think perilla oil is. And 634 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,799 Speaker 2: most parilo oil is organic. But I'm not afraid to 635 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 2: tell my patients. Look, if you can't find par oil, 636 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 2: it's pretty easy now to find organic canola oil. 637 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: My gosh, I feel like I've just been hearing how 638 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: canoda oil is the devil for so long. 639 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 2: Let me tell you about the devil because I get 640 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 2: a lot of pushback about this. So canola is hybridized 641 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 2: rape seed oil. And if you're in Europe. Rape seed 642 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 2: is everywhere. It's basically a cousin of mustard and it's 643 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 2: blooming everywhere. So yeah, it is. So. There was a 644 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 2: human trial a number of years ago called the Leone 645 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 2: Heart Diet. Most people call it the lion Heard diet, 646 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 2: but it was in Leone, France, Lyon, and they took 647 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 2: two groups of people who had heart attacks, had heart disease, 648 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 2: and they randomized them to two diets. One was the 649 00:43:55,120 --> 00:44:00,120 Speaker 2: low fat American Heart Association diet. The other was a 650 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 2: diet where they were made to use a margarine spread 651 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 2: from rape seed oil alpha linylenic acid. Rape seed is 652 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,720 Speaker 2: almost pure alpha, it's basically kenobol. The trial was supposed 653 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 2: to go six years. They stopped the trial after three 654 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,319 Speaker 2: years because the people who were using the rape seed 655 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 2: oil margarine, the high ALA margarine, had so much better 656 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 2: results with no new heart attacks, that they stopped the 657 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 2: trial as unethical to continue against the American Heart Association 658 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 2: low fat diet. When the researchers broke down, well, what 659 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 2: was it that was the difference between the two diets. 660 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 2: It was only the level of alpha linolenic acid ALA 661 00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 2: in their blood that was the only difference. So every 662 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,439 Speaker 2: time I hear canola oil is the devil's oil. Well, 663 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 2: that's funny. That was the trial and that was the 664 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,280 Speaker 2: component of the oil that caused the difference. 665 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 1: That is incredible. How how like so much can get 666 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 1: misconstrued and misunderstood in so many ways. And then and 667 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: then there's social media, which which amplifies it. 668 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it's like, come on, folks, Yeah, most 669 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 2: canol oil up until the last few years was sprayed 670 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 2: with glycyssate. Okay, I'm glyphys it's the evil Empire. But 671 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,880 Speaker 2: now that there's organic canol oil, let's not be afraid 672 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 2: of it. 673 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: And are there any other oils that you recommend people 674 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 1: stay away from? Or what are the best oils to 675 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,919 Speaker 1: cook with? So you've said, what was it called again? 676 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,400 Speaker 2: Perrilla? So the cool thing about perilla it's pretty tasteless. 677 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,280 Speaker 1: And is it easy to find? 678 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can go at any Asian store and get 679 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 2: it so on Amazon, there's numerous producers up right now, 680 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 2: so yeah, it's pretty easy to find. I am a 681 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 2: huge fan of olive oil. Whenever we're looking for oils, 682 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:17,240 Speaker 2: we really there's nothing unique about this monolin saturated fat 683 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:22,319 Speaker 2: olaic acid there's nothing. It's not a great oil, but 684 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,440 Speaker 2: it's a carrier for what are called polyphenols, and polyphenols 685 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 2: it now turns out are some are plant compounds that 686 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 2: are microbiome our gut buddies love to eat, and the 687 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,719 Speaker 2: more polyphenols that they are given, the happier they are 688 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 2: and the more diverse they are. So olive oil is 689 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,640 Speaker 2: a really great way to get polyphenols into your diet. 690 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 2: It's not the olaic acid. There's nothing unique about olaic acid. 691 00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 2: And you know this new trand algae oil is all 692 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,400 Speaker 2: olaic acid, so what it doesn't have any polyphenols in it, 693 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 2: so you know, there's nothing wrong with it. But if 694 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,840 Speaker 2: you're looking for a health benefit, you're not going to 695 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,279 Speaker 2: get a health benefit from a monoinsaturated fat. There's no 696 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 2: evidence of. 697 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: That, okay. And then cooking with oils, you know, you 698 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,160 Speaker 1: hear about cocone oil being a good oil to cook 699 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: with because there's a high smoke point, and that you 700 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,799 Speaker 1: shouldn't cook with otive oil because it's got a low 701 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:27,520 Speaker 1: smoke point. 702 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,040 Speaker 2: So I've had some of the world experts on olive 703 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 2: oil on my podcast and they assure me and you 704 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 2: that olive oil is actually the safest cooking oil that 705 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 2: it has a low smoke point. The smoke point has 706 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 2: nothing to do with oxidation. In fact, olive oil oxidizes 707 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,200 Speaker 2: less than coconut oil. 708 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 1: Wow wow yeah. 709 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,879 Speaker 2: And it was that dangerous, then why has it been 710 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 2: used as a cooking oil for five thousand years? And 711 00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 2: why do most of the Blue Zone use olive oil 712 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 2: to cook with and consume? I mean, interestingly enough, the 713 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:12,320 Speaker 2: per capita consumption of olive oil in Greece is a 714 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:17,959 Speaker 2: half a leader per week, per week, so that means 715 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,160 Speaker 2: most adults are actually actually having almost a leader per week. 716 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 2: My gosh. 717 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,960 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to ask a few more questions because 718 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,279 Speaker 1: this is so interesting. Tell me what some of the 719 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,359 Speaker 1: signs are that people will have leeki cup if they're 720 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 1: looking out for it. What are some of the signs 721 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,280 Speaker 1: of symptoms they can expect? 722 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:41,719 Speaker 2: So if you have either constipation and or diarrhea or 723 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,719 Speaker 2: loose bowel moments, I can virtually guarantee you you have 724 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:45,399 Speaker 2: leaky gut. 725 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 1: Okay, as simple as that, simple. 726 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:53,360 Speaker 2: As that, if you have IBS, you have leaky gut. 727 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,839 Speaker 2: If you have some disease that somebody tells you you have, 728 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 2: like you know, if you've got a patch of eggs, 729 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,680 Speaker 2: you have leaky gut. If you have acne, you have 730 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:10,160 Speaker 2: leaky gut. If you're depressed, you have leaky gut. If 731 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,920 Speaker 2: you're anxious, you have leaky gut. If your loved one 732 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,840 Speaker 2: has heart disease, you have leaky gut. If you got 733 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,400 Speaker 2: brain fog, you have leaky gut. Honest, I mean we 734 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,640 Speaker 2: can measure this, yeah, and we can watch the brain 735 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:30,719 Speaker 2: fog go away when you repair your leaky gut. As 736 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,120 Speaker 2: I tell my patience, if you have leaky gut, you 737 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:39,719 Speaker 2: actually have leaky brain. And there's this amazing barrier. So 738 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 2: we have a barrier between all of our microbiome in us, 739 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,120 Speaker 2: which is the wall of our gut. And we have 740 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,920 Speaker 2: that wall of our gut is the surface area of 741 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:56,440 Speaker 2: one or two tennis courts. So when we were watching 742 00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:01,040 Speaker 2: the Australian opener, we watch the Indian well BNP in 743 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, there's one or two tennis courts 744 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,880 Speaker 2: inside of us, and the lining of our gut is 745 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:14,360 Speaker 2: only one sell thick. That's a design flaw. So all 746 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:20,760 Speaker 2: of these one hundred trillion bacteria, we need a fence 747 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,560 Speaker 2: to keep them on their side of the fence. Yes, 748 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,879 Speaker 2: you know, good fences make good neighbors. And what we've 749 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:33,760 Speaker 2: learned is if that fence gets broken or is leaky 750 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:39,920 Speaker 2: or intestinal permeability, then not only can bacteria and pieces 751 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,960 Speaker 2: of bacteria get through, but also other particles of undigested 752 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,000 Speaker 2: food and our immune system. Eighty percent of all of 753 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:52,600 Speaker 2: our white blood cells are downlining our gut because that's 754 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,960 Speaker 2: where trouble can come through. Are down there. We have 755 00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 2: the same sort of barrier that protects our brain. It's 756 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,759 Speaker 2: called the blood brain barrier. And we can measure if 757 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,319 Speaker 2: somebody has leaky gut. We can measure the leakiness of 758 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,319 Speaker 2: the blood brain barrier, and it's leaking. And so it's 759 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:18,240 Speaker 2: no wonder that our brain doesn't work properly. We now 760 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:23,319 Speaker 2: know that bacteria can get into our brain and that's 761 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:24,799 Speaker 2: not exactly what we want. 762 00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,719 Speaker 1: No, And is it possible for someone to heal their 763 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,040 Speaker 1: gut without having to say a professional? Can they do it? 764 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:35,640 Speaker 2: Just why I write these books? Yes, it's the handbook. 765 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 2: So my current book is called Gut Check, which is 766 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:44,720 Speaker 2: all about this. But the gut brain paradox is specifically 767 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,640 Speaker 2: for those people who have a mood disorder, who are 768 00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,760 Speaker 2: depressed or anxious, or who have a loved one who 769 00:51:54,600 --> 00:52:00,359 Speaker 2: has memory issues, have cognitive decline, has Parkinson's, and has 770 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:06,120 Speaker 2: addiction problems. It turns out addiction is driven by a 771 00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:12,760 Speaker 2: gut microbiome dysbiosis and by leaky gut and the gut microbiome, 772 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:18,120 Speaker 2: these bad guys actually control the addictive behavior to get 773 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,120 Speaker 2: you to give them more of the things they want, 774 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,879 Speaker 2: and they use pain as the main way. And how 775 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,040 Speaker 2: does the pain occur by leaky gut? 776 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,200 Speaker 1: I can. I've got people in my family and friends 777 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,359 Speaker 1: who have multiple things that you just said that could 778 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,000 Speaker 1: probably be linked to leaky guts. They have the addiction, 779 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,640 Speaker 1: they've had the exema, they've had depression, They've had so 780 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,080 Speaker 1: many of these things combined. That's so interesting. I have 781 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,520 Speaker 1: to send them your book. When it comes to antibiotics, 782 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,120 Speaker 1: does a one dose of antibiotic really cause havoc in 783 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:49,520 Speaker 1: the gut? 784 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:54,400 Speaker 2: As absolutely? Some research suggests that one course of antibiotics 785 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,840 Speaker 2: will basically burn down that tropical rainforest and it could 786 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,920 Speaker 2: day burned down for two years. Wow. I was in 787 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,680 Speaker 2: medical school in the seventies when broad spectrum antibiotics were 788 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,640 Speaker 2: introduced and it was miraculous. Don't get me wrong, they 789 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,640 Speaker 2: are life saving. I'm not saying don't take them if 790 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:18,160 Speaker 2: you need them. But what we didn't know. We didn't 791 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,000 Speaker 2: even know these guys existed down there, and so we 792 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:26,319 Speaker 2: didn't know that just by swallowing these antibiotics, we were 793 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,000 Speaker 2: killing off our gut microbio. The other scary thing that 794 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,440 Speaker 2: people don't know is that antibiotics in and of themselves 795 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,040 Speaker 2: caused leaky cut. And one of the saddest things is 796 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:46,000 Speaker 2: well meaning physicians treat people for SEBO small intestinal bacterial 797 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:51,879 Speaker 2: overgrowth and they give them antibiotics. That's the last thing 798 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,640 Speaker 2: somebody should treat SEBO with CIBO. Believe it. I was 799 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,560 Speaker 2: a lot less common than people think, But I've never 800 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,279 Speaker 2: treated SEBO with antibiot and we just put them on 801 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:06,320 Speaker 2: our program and miraculously the seaboat goes away. The problem 802 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,840 Speaker 2: with broad spectrum antibiotics we still use them, Willy Newly, Yeah, 803 00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,399 Speaker 2: we use them mostly for viral infections, which they don't 804 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:19,240 Speaker 2: work on Nope. And we feed them to our animals 805 00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:23,600 Speaker 2: to make them grow quicker and faster and fatter, so 806 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:29,080 Speaker 2: that when we eat these animals, we eat the antibiotics 807 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:33,880 Speaker 2: that are in their flesh, and so we're constantly killing 808 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:39,160 Speaker 2: off this fabulous tropical rainforest. Now, since we live in 809 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:45,280 Speaker 2: southern California, yes, forests burned down, we could go plant 810 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:52,359 Speaker 2: seedlings and swallow probiotics. Think about it, it will take 811 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,600 Speaker 2: twenty years for those seedlings to grow up and make 812 00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,480 Speaker 2: a forest again. And yet we're naive to think, well, 813 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,560 Speaker 2: I'll take some probiotics and don't worry. It doesn't work 814 00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,000 Speaker 2: that way. I'm sorry. 815 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:05,719 Speaker 1: Oh no. 816 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,400 Speaker 2: In fact, that the Son and Bergs believe that most 817 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,520 Speaker 2: of us have a desert wasteland for instead of a 818 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:14,960 Speaker 2: tropical rainforest. 819 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,200 Speaker 1: And so what should people do if they have taken 820 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,080 Speaker 1: us of antibiotics or you know, is there a way 821 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:21,840 Speaker 1: to avoid taking antibiotics? 822 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:26,080 Speaker 2: Well, most of the time, you have to realize that 823 00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:31,279 Speaker 2: the vast majority of infections that we encounter are actually 824 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,440 Speaker 2: viral infections, and antibiotics have no place in viral infects. 825 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,880 Speaker 1: So many of my friends would have a cough, go 826 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,040 Speaker 1: to the doctor and they would be like, you may 827 00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,680 Speaker 1: not need antibiotics, but you know, if it continues for 828 00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,400 Speaker 1: a couple of days, start taking it right, And they 829 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,440 Speaker 1: don't really know what the actual cause is. 830 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,640 Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah. When I was a medical student, we rotated 831 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:55,720 Speaker 2: through private practice physicians offices as part of our training, 832 00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,839 Speaker 2: and I was in a pediatrician's office and he would 833 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,360 Speaker 2: the nurse would swab the kid's throat for strep throat 834 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,000 Speaker 2: and put it on a petri dish, and then as 835 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,479 Speaker 2: the mother left, then the nurse would give the mother 836 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:17,280 Speaker 2: a prescription for antibiotics and for some decongestice. And I'd 837 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:22,160 Speaker 2: watch this and I'm going, you're not going to have 838 00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:27,160 Speaker 2: the result of that culture for forty eight hours, and 839 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:32,560 Speaker 2: it probably won't be strep throat. It usually isn't. Why 840 00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,360 Speaker 2: did you give her antibiotics? And he looked at me 841 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:41,040 Speaker 2: and he said, look, you take give the mother something 842 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,200 Speaker 2: to do. The kid will get better on his own. 843 00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,360 Speaker 2: If I don't give the mother those antibiotics, she'll go 844 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,560 Speaker 2: down the street to my competitor and he'll be happy 845 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,399 Speaker 2: to give it to her. And it's interesting there's now 846 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:58,719 Speaker 2: been studies of er doctors. If the person coming in 847 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:03,960 Speaker 2: with an illness questions the er doctor about whether they 848 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:08,560 Speaker 2: really should have that antibiotic, the er doctor is half 849 00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,279 Speaker 2: as likely as normal to give them to them. But 850 00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:16,800 Speaker 2: if they come in requesting antibiotics, they'll absolutely get them 851 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,280 Speaker 2: because they came into the emergency room and you got 852 00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,960 Speaker 2: to do something for them. That's human nature. 853 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,840 Speaker 1: And is it something that people can be taking instead, 854 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,080 Speaker 1: Like if they get a viral infection, what should they 855 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,320 Speaker 1: And let's say, for me, I haven't taken antibiotics for 856 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,600 Speaker 1: over ten years now, I refuse to take them. Good 857 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,440 Speaker 1: for what is there, you know, to somebody who's worried 858 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,439 Speaker 1: about not taking them, what is something that they could 859 00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,640 Speaker 1: be doing for that viral infection that could help support 860 00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:42,240 Speaker 1: out the time. 861 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:47,160 Speaker 2: If our immune system is not preoccupied with what's going 862 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,720 Speaker 2: on down in our god, then our immune system is 863 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:57,320 Speaker 2: available to fight viral infections. And if you'll notice during COVID, 864 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,640 Speaker 2: if you thought about all the people who were really 865 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:07,240 Speaker 2: susceptible to you know, COVID, diabetaches, high blood pressure, heart disease, 866 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,760 Speaker 2: et cetera. Those are the people who actually have those 867 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,080 Speaker 2: conditions from leaky gut. And what we know now is 868 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,959 Speaker 2: if eighty percent of your immune system is busy down 869 00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:24,120 Speaker 2: in your gut distracted, then they're not available up in 870 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,880 Speaker 2: your upper airways and respiratory track. We also know that 871 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:33,000 Speaker 2: bacteria are really good at fighting viruses. They actually have 872 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:37,240 Speaker 2: really cool tricks to fight viruses, and yet we've wiped 873 00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:42,200 Speaker 2: them out. Lastly, I am a huge proponent of very 874 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,280 Speaker 2: high dose vitamin D for a viral infection. Now, I'll 875 00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,560 Speaker 2: tell you what I do. This is not a recommendation, 876 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:53,120 Speaker 2: it's what I do. I take one hundred and fifty 877 00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:58,000 Speaker 2: thousand international units of vitamin D three three days in 878 00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,240 Speaker 2: a row. If I feel like I'm coming down with 879 00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,560 Speaker 2: something that's basically a half a million international units of 880 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,040 Speaker 2: vitamin D three. I'm not dead yet. 881 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,000 Speaker 1: No, you're not. You look very healthy to me. 882 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,360 Speaker 2: Now, again, that is not my recommendation to the general public. 883 00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:18,720 Speaker 2: That's what I do personally. At the very least, you 884 00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:23,240 Speaker 2: should think about taking fifty thousand international units of D 885 00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:24,840 Speaker 2: three three days in a row. 886 00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:31,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so taking probiotics when your antibiotics doesn't really do much. 887 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,400 Speaker 2: It is a good idea, but you got to do 888 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,240 Speaker 2: a whole lot more than that. The first thing is 889 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:42,440 Speaker 2: more prevented. Try not to get those yes antibiotics in 890 00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:43,040 Speaker 2: the first place. 891 00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,600 Speaker 1: I want to ask you seven more questions, but I'm 892 00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,040 Speaker 1: going to wrap it up and hopefully I get to 893 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,640 Speaker 1: have you on one more time to ask you all 894 00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:49,640 Speaker 1: the other questions I have. 895 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,320 Speaker 2: I'd be delighted to come back. You've got to make 896 00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:53,400 Speaker 2: the LA traffic passer. 897 00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,080 Speaker 1: Yes I will, I will. Thank you so much, doctor Gundry. 898 00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,240 Speaker 1: This was so informative and I really hope, I know 899 00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,320 Speaker 1: this is going to help so many people with their 900 01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,600 Speaker 1: gut and their overall hell. So thank you, thank you, 901 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:03,000 Speaker 1: thank you. 902 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:04,720 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Good 903 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:05,280 Speaker 2: to see you again. 904 01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:05,600 Speaker 1: You too,