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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Crime Roundup. I'm Cheryl McCollum and I

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Speaker 1: am joined with the just incomparable Nancy Graves.

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Speaker 2: How are you, darling?

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Speaker 3: Whytery, We'll get you everywhere if Errol will come if

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Speaker 3: you well know, Well, I'm angry and I want justice.

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Speaker 3: What else is new?

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Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: Let me just start by saying, I'm a bulldog through

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Speaker 1: and through. So It's hard for me to brag on

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Speaker 1: the University of Florida for any reason.

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Speaker 2: But I must.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Lord, here it comes.

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Speaker 1: Over the weekend I was at the crime camp that

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Speaker 1: crime come through.

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Speaker 3: You just have all the fun. I'm in a studio

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Speaker 3: and out slogging through crime say saying, you're at hunt Camp.

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Speaker 1: They have got this place out there. It's called the

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Speaker 1: Austin Kerry Forest Campus. Can you imagine an outdoor classroom

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Speaker 1: with a pond and all these acres and acres of

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Speaker 1: the most gorgeous forest you've ever seen. And that's where

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Speaker 1: I got to teach clandestine grave location.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's a goody man.

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Speaker 3: I would love to make part of that at clandestine

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Speaker 3: grave location.

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Speaker 2: David.

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Speaker 3: Did you hear that a clandestine grave location class? Oh? No,

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Speaker 3: does that mean, you're gonna be able to find David

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Speaker 3: when I bury him. I mean, excuse me when he

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Speaker 3: falls in the woods and episode top of him. He says,

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Speaker 3: every book I write is about him, that poor man.

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Speaker 3: And it's so funny, Cheryl, I wrote, which one was it, David?

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Speaker 3: Where the guy fell into the water at the what

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Speaker 3: is it, Cheryl? Where there are you go see Gatorlind?

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Speaker 3: Hees Gatorlind. We've definitely been there. And he thought it

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Speaker 3: was all about him. And then just right after the

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Speaker 3: book came out, we took the children to Gatorland. He

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Speaker 3: was sneaking around the outskirts.

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Speaker 1: I wonder why he ain't getting but you know what,

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Speaker 1: they had a beautiful pond there and we had a

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Speaker 1: gator show up and was just sudden in the self.

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Speaker 1: And so we talked about crime scenes have hazards, they

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Speaker 1: just do. And we talked a lot about you. People

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Speaker 1: ask me, what did you really like? I lie, Honey,

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Speaker 1: I protect you. Don't you worry about it. I tell

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Speaker 1: them the truth. You're one of the most kind, loyal, smart,

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Speaker 1: devoted people I've ever met.

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Speaker 2: And that's the truth. That's what I tell people.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Cheryl, Cheryl, Cheryl Cheryl, thank you nobody. I'll believe

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Speaker 3: of course, But that's okay. Well as I like to

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Speaker 3: sell there, and I didn't go into that's expecting to

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Speaker 3: be crown this sweet potato and nothing could be listener

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Speaker 3: to the truth.

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Speaker 2: So that's right. So what is your main.

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Speaker 3: Focus in the Clandestine Grave class?

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Speaker 2: First they've got to locate it.

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Speaker 1: They've got to be able to take this vast terrain

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Speaker 1: and see if they can find the actual grave where

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Speaker 1: somebody's been buried shallow or a really deep. Then they

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Speaker 1: got to get over there and the knees with tools

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Speaker 1: that recover those remains without damaging them. It was a

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Speaker 1: great class. They were fantastic, fantastic. They didn't let the

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Speaker 1: gator or the ticks or snakes deter them at all.

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Speaker 2: It was fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Okay, gators. Did they sign up for that? Did they

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Speaker 3: know gators would be on the itinerary?

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Speaker 1: I think they knew it was a possibility, because again

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Speaker 1: we're in Florida and any body of water could potentially

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Speaker 2: So now that's true.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I remember when I took the children the first

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Speaker 3: time and many times to NASA. Loved going to NASA.

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Speaker 3: And I noticed that they wrought iron. We lost a

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Speaker 3: people on the outside, like a good two or three

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Speaker 3: I said, look at that. I've never seen that before.

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Speaker 3: And I learned that it's because gators can climb up

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Speaker 3: it without demonstrating it, but yes, there can I tell

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Speaker 3: you one more story speaking of gators. So during Todd Mom,

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Speaker 3: I did not even say those words, so you know

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Speaker 3: I had taken We moved down there for the duration

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Speaker 3: of the trial, and at the time I was also

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Speaker 3: working for ABC, you know, commenting on different cases, and

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Speaker 3: therefore we ended up going to dig Its me all

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Speaker 3: the time. So David and two babysitters because I needed

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Speaker 3: other babysitter to make sure nobody mistreating the twin ends. Well,

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Speaker 3: go to Disney. Well, I would be at the courthouse

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Speaker 3: right part of Disney I just I think it's called

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Speaker 3: the Floridian, the Floridian Beautiful Hotel, and they have paddle

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Speaker 3: I had gotten back from court that day, and John

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Speaker 3: David was throwing these little stones into the water, and

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Speaker 3: David said, get it my way, no water. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: first of all, do you actually think you can tell

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Speaker 3: me what to do? Number one? And number two in

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Speaker 3: that tone, and he went, there's gaters And I'm like,

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Speaker 3: this is Disney. There are no gators at the Floridian. Well,

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Speaker 3: I said, Oprah, Peek's like you're going to carry all

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Speaker 3: like that in front of other people, I'll go get him.

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Speaker 3: So it got him. Fast forward. It was about a

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Speaker 3: year later, I guess I don't remember the timing. A

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Speaker 3: little boy did get raight into the water from just

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Speaker 2: Oh God, and I had that.

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Speaker 3: I really hated to tell David. He was right about it.

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Speaker 3: A long time. Disney has put in place all of

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Speaker 3: these safety precautions, mets fence says, underwater security, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: They had tried everything, but one darn gator got through

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Speaker 3: and reaped habit point. David was right I guess you know,

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Speaker 3: even a broken clock is right twice a day. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: that said, he was right, I can't get away from it.

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Speaker 2: Speaking to gators, Hey, I got to have your opinion

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Speaker 3: Is that Kay Burger Diddy? What is it?

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Speaker 1: It's coburger selfie. So my question when I saw it, obviously,

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Speaker 1: how many selfies in the past has he taken? How

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Speaker 1: many times has he taken a photograph with the thumbs up?

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Speaker 1: Did he post it? Why in the world would he

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Speaker 3: Well, obviously he's been watching Kim Kay Kim Kardashian and

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Speaker 3: all of her booty selfie is in the bathroom. I

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Speaker 3: don't know, but I'm so glad he did, big lause.

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Speaker 3: It really tells me a lot. First of all, did

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Speaker 3: you notice that when I started to talk about this

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Speaker 3: last night on Marit Street Media, as you know, will

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Speaker 3: didn't really know the facts. The first photo I saw

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Speaker 3: and I thought the shower curtain had already been removed. Remember,

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Speaker 3: as we discussed before, the shower curtain was missing in

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Speaker 3: the return on police documents. What is a return? When

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Speaker 3: police execute a search warrant, of course, approved by an

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Speaker 3: impartial magistrate or judge, they then have to complete a return,

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Speaker 3: a written account of everything seized during the sir, we

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Speaker 3: learned that there was not a shower curtain in Coburger's home,

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Speaker 3: and at first, in the clipped photo, I saw there

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Speaker 3: and it would show me he's standing in front of

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Speaker 3: the shower. But a shower curtain has already been removed. Then,

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Speaker 3: when I saw a different angle of the selfie, the

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Speaker 3: shower curtain was not cropped out. At first, I la oh,

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Speaker 3: darn the gos my theory. But I thought about it

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Speaker 3: again last night, Cheryl, and it helps my theory because

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Speaker 3: in the time between that selfie the morning and the

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Speaker 3: been removed. Yes, I didn't think of that as we

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Speaker 3: were in the middle of a Q and A about Coburger.

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Speaker 3: We missed you horribly by the way, you and your

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Speaker 3: clandestine grave finding. But that said, I find that even

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Speaker 3: removed the shower curtain. I mean, there could be an

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Speaker 3: innocent explanation for that, but it's certainly worth thinking about.

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Speaker 1: It is certainly worth thinking about because what did he

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Speaker 1: wrap in it? Where did he take something? Why would

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Speaker 1: you ever remove a shower curtain because there could be

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Speaker 1: blood splatter on it and be blood spatter on it.

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Speaker 1: But again, you're talking about removing a shower curtain after

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Speaker 1: you take a selfie where your hair is wet and.

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Speaker 3: It shows the bushy eyebrows. There's no way to get

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Speaker 3: around that. The defense is trying to suppress the selfie.

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Speaker 3: They don't want the jury to see it. They also

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Speaker 3: are trying to suppress the nine on one call. They

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Speaker 3: don't want the jeury to hear that. They're trying to

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Speaker 3: suppress texts between Bethany and Dylan the night in the

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Speaker 3: early morning hours I call it the night is around

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Speaker 3: four a m. Of the murderers. But this, I think

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Speaker 3: the reason they don't want the selfie in is because

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Speaker 3: they're going to have him with his eyebrows plut to

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Speaker 3: helling back for the jury. But this creepy selfie could

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Speaker 3: provide a key detail of the case in that his

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Speaker 3: eye are super bushy, I guess he didn't think that

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Speaker 3: would come back to bite him in the neck, that's right.

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Speaker 3: And those eyebrows, you cannot then you go right to them. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you look right at him. Plus he's smirking and the

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Speaker 3: find him guilty, I predict this selfie it will be

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Speaker 3: State's exhibit number one at sentencing because there he is

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Speaker 3: smirking and offering a thumbs up to the camera right

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Speaker 3: after he, according to the state, has murdered for innocent

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Speaker 1: And again we're going to go back to patterns. You

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Speaker 1: and I preach it all the time. How many selfies

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Speaker 1: has he taken? How many is he taken with the

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Speaker 1: thumbs up? How many is he taken into the bathroom?

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Speaker 1: If it ain't many or this is the only one, again,

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Speaker 1: they're going to focus on that. Why why those earbuds?

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many things in that picture that

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Speaker 1: you can just tick apart, and.

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Speaker 3: There's I immediately looked at his hands, the one hand,

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Speaker 3: but I don't see I didn't see these scratches they're

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Speaker 2: I didn't either.

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Speaker 3: I didn't see the other hand, and of course if

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Speaker 3: he were scratched by one of the victims, it may

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Speaker 3: not have been on his hand or arm. I believe

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Speaker 3: the witness said he was all in black, and that

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Speaker 1: I looked at that hand as well, but Nancy, I

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Speaker 1: also noticed that collars buttoned all the way up.

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Speaker 3: All the way. You're right. Morton soon told investigators she

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Speaker 3: opened her door to peek outside three times, and now

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Speaker 3: that we are reading the text between her and Dylan,

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Speaker 3: she they're trying to get together because one of their

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Speaker 3: phones is dying, and they both know something's going on,

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Speaker 3: and one tells the other one to just run to

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Speaker 3: tells investigators that the third time, this is after she's

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Speaker 3: been hearing things, she sees the man with quote bushy

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Speaker 3: head toward the sliding glass doors of the home. And

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Speaker 3: we've seen those there. I would say, it's hard to

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Speaker 3: describe it really. That there's the ground floor where there's

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm just thinking through everything that's being filed

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Speaker 3: Let me say that even unintentionally or unknowingly affected or

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Speaker 2: Absolutely yep, well stated.

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Speaker 3: But if there's a one catch through that, Cheryl, and

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Speaker 3: it's a sneaky move by the defense. When a witness

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Speaker 3: that way they can sit the courtroom, said, I mean,

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Speaker 1: We shall see seems like another way to hurt the family, Yes,

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Speaker 1: You know it's one of those that there's already been

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Speaker 1: there's no way you can look at that guy, even

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Speaker 2: Jumpsuit or an Armani suit. The jury is gonna see

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Speaker 2: what they're gonna see. Just like the selfie, even if

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Speaker 1: Completely innocent photograph that he was taken to send his

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Speaker 2: Creepy. The thumbs up is creepy, the eyebrows are creepy.

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Speaker 1: The way he's got the shirt all the way buttoned

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Speaker 3: Well, are you saying that you think it's a stunt

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you why, because those photos are disseminated

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Speaker 3: Do I care if he's in shackles? I want him

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Speaker 3: I want him wearing his arm money suit and man

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Speaker 2: Going, I do. And I feel the same way about

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Speaker 1: If it's gonna influence somebody negatively towards somebody, that's not

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Speaker 1: okay either. However, I'm saying, if you put that man

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Speaker 3: Buy it, is all I'm saying. No, No, I agree,

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Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, So you know, I don't underrest the managery.

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Speaker 3: I think they're probably the smartest ones in the room.

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Speaker 3: They may not have a law degree, God bless them,

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Speaker 3: but they know what's going on. Easily fooled, I think

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna turn on Andrea for her.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm free ow precious, that's the sweetest thing.

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Speaker 3: She's how long wheels and we both know what?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, listen, I know we have both got things

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Speaker 2: But I just appreciate talking to you always, Cheryl.

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Speaker 3: I have nothing more important to do than to get

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Speaker 3: a tree verdict to the coworker case. I don't know

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Speaker 2: That's it's rude.

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Speaker 3: Actually, you know where I'm going right now. I'm on

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Speaker 3: What Happened to Ellen's Great Ellen Greenberg. I've been doing

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Speaker 3: I think I'm going to finish today. And I'd like

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Speaker 2: Bo children right on. Well, congratulations and easy.

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Speaker 3: That is huge. You know you're gonna listen to our audio.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be on audio that sounds Luke.

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Speaker 3: Winner right there. So, Cheryl, apparently Coburger's trial is in August.

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Speaker 3: I've never been to Idaho in August, but I guess

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Speaker 3: we will.

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Speaker 2: Sounds fantastic. I will load up the truck.

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Speaker 3: But Cheryl, do you think we'll ever get the salad

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Speaker 2: We'll never get it anywhere else. I've looked. I tried

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Speaker 2: to buy one on Amazon. I hadn't thought of that much.

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Speaker 3: And before I go, I want to thank everybody for

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Speaker 3: has been with me now almost eighteen years. We still

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Speaker 3: don't have an answer as to what was making her

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Speaker 3: have seizures, but I know they ended. If he is

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Speaker 3: a miracle. It is a miracle. Thank you for all

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Speaker 3: your prayers. I really do. Hey, you out your sister.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic, wonderful she is. You know, mentally she has won

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Speaker 1: that game from day one. She had such a great attitude.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell y'all real quick. Doctor comes to her

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Speaker 1: two weeks ago and says, hey, there's some cancer in

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Speaker 1: both of your kidneys, but we're gonna get it. She

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Speaker 1: didn't even bolt, she didn't even hesitate. She trusts that man.

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Speaker 1: She's like, I know we're gonna get it. They go in,

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Speaker 1: they zap it. She doesn't even need chemo. They took

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Speaker 1: care of it. And she was so funny. She's like,

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Speaker 1: don't even put me on another prayer list. People have

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Speaker 1: already done enough for me. And I'm gonna be fine.

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Speaker 1: And she is fine. So she is rolling on.

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Speaker 3: Honey. Well, you can just tell her that I appreciate

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Speaker 3: ate her like of request. But I'm praying anyway, and

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Speaker 3: you know, I believe that the Lord. Here's my prayers.

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Speaker 3: Because you know, the Lord loves this center, loves the Center.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he cares that much when priests and

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Speaker 3: nuns and virgins show up with requests because he hears

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Speaker 3: them every day. But when a center shows up like.

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Speaker 1: Me, I think he might listen, like what, Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: we ignored that request. To Believe me, I believe in

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Speaker 1: the power of prayer because I've seen it with her.

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Speaker 2: I've seen it with d I've seen it with your mama.

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Speaker 3: We've seen it. Amen, Cheryl, Okay, here's the justice, my buddy.

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Speaker 2: Bye honey,