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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway. You

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Speaker 1: said something very interesting earlier. You said, now at this age,

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Speaker 1: now that you focus on your mental health, and you

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Speaker 1: know casing that saying something about mental health, How important

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Speaker 1: is that for you, Joe? Because at what age did

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Speaker 1: you realize that you needed to focus on that? Because

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Speaker 1: when we're young, we don't well the things that we

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Speaker 1: think about now as we start to I'm at the

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Speaker 1: age when I used to think it was old. I'm

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Speaker 1: at that age now. I remember when I was, you know,

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Speaker 2: Man, you're almost sixty.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm almost sixty. Well, how what a blessing? Hey,

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Speaker 1: well keep missing That's what I tell kids, keep living, hope.

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Speaker 1: This is the goal? Oh goal is the age?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, At what age did you like start focusing on

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Speaker 1: your mental health?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: For me?

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Speaker 3: For me, I tried to. I was always pretty focused

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Speaker 3: on mental health. I just wasn't doing the greatest at

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Speaker 3: the time mentally, spiritually, physically. But I was always I

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Speaker 3: had to be aware of my mental health because I

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Speaker 3: could not live.

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Speaker 2: Anymore if I didn't really focus on that.

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Speaker 3: So after after a lot of years to it got

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Speaker 3: it got in a good place, and you learn how

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Speaker 3: important it is. It's the it's the processor, it's the motherboard,

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Speaker 3: it's what makes it. You can't you can't go. There

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Speaker 3: is nothing. You can't show up for yourself properly. You

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Speaker 3: can't live life properly. And if you're out there and

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Speaker 3: you're struggling, just give yourself a shot for another day.

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Speaker 3: Like if you're struggling to get through the day, just

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Speaker 3: give yourself a shot, pray yourself through it if you can.

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Speaker 3: But mental health is too important now and today I

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Speaker 3: put the time to the side. Learning how to say

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Speaker 3: no was was important in my story. It's hard quick

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Speaker 3: with a no. Hell no, it ain't hard anymore.

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Speaker 2: No, it wasn't. It wasn't never hard for me.

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Speaker 3: But it felt better the more you said it. It

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Speaker 2: That's the worst.

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Speaker 3: Committing the things that you not wanted, not going to do,

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Speaker 3: don't want to do. Showing up you could give two about.

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Speaker 3: It's just like no, no, and no again. Back to

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to get in bed by four thirty, Like

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Speaker 3: if I'm doing a favor for somebody, if I'm saying

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Speaker 3: I'm even leaving the house. It's something that I really

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Speaker 3: want to do today, and a large part of that

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Speaker 3: is mental health. I'm not gonna be somewhere just miserable

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I need no, not in my forties.

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Speaker 3: I need good energy, good vibrations, high frequency. It's important

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Speaker 3: to me how people wake up even like or how

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Speaker 3: people start their role in my day in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Don't put my morning. Do not with my morning. Don't.

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Speaker 1: That's your busiest time, that's where you feel your sets

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Speaker 1: the tone for my day.

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Speaker 3: How the morning goes, is how I'm gonna go in

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Speaker 3: all of these different places and people that I have

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Speaker 3: to be at and and see, right, whatever you went

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Speaker 3: through the phone and saw last night, Not in the morning,

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Speaker 3: whoever would I get on Yeah, yeah, whoever's calling and

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Speaker 3: just argue or just dump on you or just put

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Speaker 3: heavy shit on you. Not in my morning. You can't

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Speaker 3: do that my morning and all morning. God, I'm up

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Speaker 3: at four in the morning. Wow, Nah, I don't, Noah,

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Speaker 3: Let me let me past the day. Mental health, Yes,

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Speaker 3: mental health you come first.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Noted as someone that's been in this game, that

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Speaker 1: understands this game of hip hop. What is the biggest

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Speaker 1: difference Joe, between today the rappers are today and the

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Speaker 1: rappers of yesterday, To the best of your guests, m.

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Speaker 3: I think motivation, what drives what drives people today to

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Speaker 3: when I signed I wanted to be the best. In

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Speaker 3: the nineties, there was a belief that you probably you

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Speaker 3: couldn't even get on without being the best. That's not

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Speaker 3: the belief anymore. That's not the belief anymore, and it's

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Speaker 3: a lot more money in it today. Visibly, these kids

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Speaker 2: And in my day, we were looking at our block or.

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Speaker 3: Our shit, and whatever I got from what was going

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Speaker 3: Like I didn't when Nwa came out, I know nothing

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Speaker 3: When Scarface came out, I didn't, Oh shit, all right,

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Speaker 3: this was going that was hip hop to me, like

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Speaker 3: just regional reporting from wordsmiths to educate us today, you

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Speaker 3: have no idea what somebody's doing. It for today, you

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Speaker 3: have people that don't even want to do it for

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Speaker 3: a long time. To day they'll tell you, hey, I'm

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Speaker 3: here for two years.

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Speaker 2: And then you're done. I'm going somewhere.

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Speaker 3: So and I think that you can start to hear

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Speaker 3: and quality at some point.

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Speaker 2: Today things need to be done much faster.

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Speaker 3: It's microwave, a lot more microwave today, a lot more processed.

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Speaker 3: In the nineties, it was more made by hand. It

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Speaker 3: was more craftsmen ship. I mean, that's what I noticed that, right.

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Speaker 2: Rappers getting out.

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Speaker 1: Fitty Wop just got out, Thug got out recently, sh Max, Blue,

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Speaker 1: Blue Face Wild and Lucci Joe was always cause you look,

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Speaker 1: I'm at a distance, You've been smacked down. Was jail

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Speaker 1: in prison and get arrested? Was it always glorified in

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Speaker 2: Hmm? Glorified? No, I can't. I can't say.

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Speaker 3: That that's the hip hop I was growing up in. No, today,

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Speaker 3: you're right, it's well, I don't even know if you're

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Speaker 3: saying that, but today it looks like it said. Is

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Speaker 3: a different stripe system that comes from you? Yeah, that

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Speaker 3: they planned by different sets of rules. They doing all

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Speaker 3: different types of crimes, or at least now it's more

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Speaker 3: more visible to us. But my mom always raised me, Hey,

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Speaker 3: don't go to jail. And if you get in there,

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Speaker 3: it's a system that's in there, in place just for

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Speaker 3: people like you to get there, and it's nothing I

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Speaker 3: can do for you.

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Speaker 2: That was enough for me.

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Speaker 3: I spent a couple of weekends and in Hudson County

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Speaker 3: or wherever I spent that that was enough for me.

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Speaker 3: If you lock me up for a couple of hours,

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Speaker 3: that's enough for me. So I can't I can't speak

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Speaker 3: to the clip in which people are going in and

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Speaker 3: coming out and going in and coming out. You read

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Speaker 3: that list, I couldn't tell you who's in jail. I

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Speaker 3: know when they come home because we're so happy. But

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Speaker 3: my message is try your best to not go go I.

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Speaker 1: Asked Blue Face. And when he came home, they had

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Speaker 1: a big celebration. I say, Blue why we celebrating that.

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Speaker 1: He's like, man, I came home. I said, but you

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Speaker 1: do know the objective is not to go in. I said, Now,

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Speaker 1: or something like that. He's like, well, if you don't

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Speaker 1: celebrate me when we come home. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: come home, I said, but Blue, it's not. The objective

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Speaker 2: Am I wrong? Am I wrong? Am I assessment? No,

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Speaker 2: you're not. You're not wrong at all.

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Speaker 3: With all due respect, I tried not to hear the

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Speaker 3: things that Blue face.

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Speaker 2: Well, Jonathan, he was Jonathan that day.

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be funny either, but like I've

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Speaker 3: heard enough of his views to understand that, Okay, he

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Speaker 2: He was Jonathan. He was Jonathan that day. He could

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Speaker 2: be whoever he wanted to be.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying for me, I'm gonna go some other

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Speaker 3: shit not it's respectfully respectfully.

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Speaker 1: Of course you heard who was it. It was Savage.

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Speaker 1: Somebody else said F the streets.

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Speaker 2: Oh, and that cause quite double Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: But it's gonna be hard to say F the streets

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Speaker 1: when you kind of built your reputation on being in

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Speaker 3: I think people were confused about what the streets what

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think there was a lot of blurred lines with that.

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Speaker 3: So I just saw a lot of people doing explanations.

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Speaker 3: I throw people on one side say yeah, yeah, And

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Speaker 3: I saw people saying.

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Speaker 2: Now, youth, you don't like the street. So I enjoyed seeing.

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Speaker 3: I enjoy seeing success stories, especially from people that moved

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Speaker 3: a certain way or lived a certain way, Like I think.

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Speaker 3: I think part of life is being able to live

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Speaker 3: of life. So yeah, he was speaking for him, Yo live.

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Speaker 3: Gangster is seeing seeing your kids get old, right, Gangster

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Speaker 3: is going to the graduation. It's seeing them get a

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Speaker 3: we can't talk about the other shit, but the glorification

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Speaker 3: of it. No, we need real stories about what's really

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Speaker 2: Who did what?

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Speaker 1: I was about to see about to ask you, Joe

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Speaker 1: took a machete and you did what?

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Speaker 2: Who? You killed a family? You threw a body over?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, lovers killing each other, people killing it, wife in

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Speaker 2: Thought, Joe. I'm like that. I mean, I get the prayers.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, damn it, really, And I think the thing is, Joe,

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Speaker 1: because we have more access to more news, we didn't

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Speaker 2: Now it's twenty four to seven.

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Speaker 1: I mean basically, you hear every once in a while

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Speaker 1: but not every day. And maybe it was happening every day.

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Speaker 1: But the social media, the Internet has made the world

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Speaker 1: so close. California doesn't seem that far away now New

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Speaker 1: York is not that even though we're here, it's not

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Speaker 2: So far away.

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Speaker 1: Wait, you only dreamed of going to California. You only

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Speaker 1: dreamed of going to these places, and now they bring

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Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, You're absolutely right about it. So I

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Speaker 2: was like, I used to do that too. I used

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Speaker 2: to read the news, and I was like, man, I can't.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying when you see all of that shit

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Speaker 3: age thirty nine to sixty. Yeah, like I know, I

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Speaker 3: know the food we like to eat, I know the

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Speaker 3: like to party.

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Speaker 2: About all the work you ain't really doing that.

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Speaker 3: You learn as you go that hire as many people

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Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I got a real good, real good team.

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Speaker 1: Look your talent. You brought Mark lamont Hill. And a

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Speaker 2: a minute, yeah, do you know that? Nothing about you

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Speaker 3: Mark has been such a blessing to work with. And

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Speaker 2: So the funny thing about Mark is all that CNN shit.

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Speaker 3: How did you know that would work? I'm controversial? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: They're becoming a Mark because I think I saw what

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Speaker 3: There's that part Mark can weaponize his Yeah, yeah, his education,

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Speaker 2: But you need that. You be over there, You're like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah again, I love whatever people are bringing that is

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you care to speak to that.

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Speaker 1: Because of that or where there's a negotiation where her

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Speaker 1: Because I'm sure you don't want to lose good people

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Speaker 3: I won't say too much about her. I wish now

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Speaker 1: Do that.

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Speaker 3: That's important, Okay, even while even while people are with me,

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Speaker 3: like please please utilize the value and the audience and

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Speaker 3: it's a launch pad. It's a good it's a good springboard.

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Speaker 3: It's a good springboard. It allows people to introduce themselves

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Speaker 2: You may know him from see all these other places.

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Speaker 3: You don't you hear you're seeing him in a way

440
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Speaker 3: that you're talking about a twenty year professional here, twenty

441
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Speaker 3: plus year professional.

442
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Speaker 2: You've never seen him? No, you're not that this. Yes,

443
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 2: you've you've peeled a layer.

444
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Speaker 1: You've allowed people to see Mark in a way nobody

445
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: has ever seen him or maybe his closest friends know.

446
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 3: He talks like exactly like and I feel like the

447
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 3: show is a good opportunity for people to do that.

448
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 3: And it's only but so much you could hide, and

449
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 3: only so much hiding you could do. Talking three plus

450
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 3: hours twice a week.

451
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. You talk too much. You're talking, you go.

452
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 2: And that's what I tell people.

453
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Speaker 1: The more you talk, if you talk, if you in

454
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: this business long enough and you talk long enough, you're

455
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: gonna slip up.

456
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 2: You're gonna say something. There's no possible way.

457
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Speaker 1: I mean, were doing Nightcap four to five nights a week,

458
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Speaker 1: I'm doing club shayshe I was on Limit Television. Bro,

459
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Speaker 1: I'm talking twenty plus hours a week for years. Yeah,

460
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Speaker 1: you don't think I about have.

461
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Speaker 3: Once live gunn and saying you're gonna say something. That's

462
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 3: why it's important for the contract to also reflect that, Hey,

463
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Speaker 3: I might say something, I might do something. It might

464
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: be something in life that happens. You cannot get rid

465
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Speaker 3: of me because I said something right on words.

466
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Speaker 2: I'm not in that boat. But for the people that

467
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 2: are right.

468
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 1: There was a very highly publicized split with the Rory

469
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Speaker 1: and mal that was on your show, and they have

470
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: their own thing during their own thing, and a lot

471
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: of people like man, this was this was Ciskel and Ebert,

472
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: this was Penn and Taylor.

473
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Speaker 2: This was you know what I'm saying. This was one

474
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Speaker 2: of those grades And like.

475
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: I guess you old enough to remember how Melvin and

476
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: the Blue Notes with Teddy Pittegrass like, hold on, wait

477
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: a minute.

478
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Speaker 2: I'm doing all the scene. Hell, you ain't did nothing,

479
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 2: so I mean, but.

480
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Speaker 1: No, but seriously, Joe, but is it hard because you

481
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: guys have such a great relationship and then it ends

482
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: and then you know the back and forth.

483
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Speaker 2: How hard is it for you?

484
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Speaker 1: Because you guys, I mean, when you worked as long

485
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: as you did with someone, you build a relationship, you

486
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: do things together, y'all gold places and you do things,

487
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: you eat.

488
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 2: Family and friends become intertwined. How hard was that for you?

489
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Speaker 2: I mean it was.

490
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Speaker 3: It was really tough in the moment, like when it

491
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 3: was happening, like you got friendships, your man vir gin,

492
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 3: you're managing business people's view of the business. It was,

493
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 3: it was difficult. And then and then they left. Salute

494
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 3: to those brothers, wish them nothing but the best as well.

495
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 2: Then again, my faith being God, my faith is in

496
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 2: the Higher Power at all times. So whatever is happening,

497
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 2: that's what's supposed to be happening. That you look at everything.

498
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,719
Speaker 1: So you look at everything like that, Okay, nothing happens

499
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: without him his blessing or his playing, because this was

500
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Speaker 1: his plan.

501
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 3: Every everything is the doing of my higher power. If

502
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 3: he's putting it in front of me, there's something that's

503
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: supposed to be happening, and it's my job to figure

504
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: that out from there. I'm not sitting around and and

505
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 3: and weeping at the hand that I'm dealt. I'm getting

506
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 3: to it. So I needed all of the education that

507
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 3: came from that split. Uh, it was informative. It was

508
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: important for me to get to the next place that

509
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 3: I was going.

510
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: And they needed to They needed to go and do

511
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Speaker 2: what they need to do. Nobody should ever.

512
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 3: Sit around and just be like you spoke about earlier,

513
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 3: just come to work unhappy and sad.

514
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 2: And did you know they were unhappy or saying no, no.

515
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 3: No, no, not till it was too late, not till

516
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 3: it was too late. But we we had a set

517
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 3: of issues. We both had a set of issues. None

518
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 3: of us had the proper tools to deal with it,

519
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 3: deal with it and get through it at the time,

520
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: not and remain whole.

521
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: So man happened like it had to happen.

522
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Speaker 1: Have you guys been able to make peace? Have you

523
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: had guys had conversation to be cool moving forward?

524
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 3: No? But I think everybody's at peace. I don't think

525
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 3: you always need to have conversations to be at peace,

526
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 3: but everybody's at peace. I've spoken to Rory Rory a

527
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 3: couple of times. He's doing well, just to say I

528
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 3: love you, proud of what you're doing. But it's no

529
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 3: hard feelings.

530
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Speaker 2: It's peace. It's peace. Joe. You always been like this,

531
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: or you had to grow or you had to grow

532
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: to this level of maturity. Oh do I say I'm mature?

533
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: You sound very mature? Oh shit real? Oh good? Oh good.

534
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: I was a menace. I was an agent of terror

535
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 2: and chaos.

536
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 3: So this is a lot of work, a lot of therapy,

537
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: a lot of just growing up. Listen, Shannon, like we

538
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 3: started this with, I've been in this ship for twenty

539
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: seven years.

540
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 2: I have along. I've grown up with some of these people, right,

541
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: Like these people have seen me. What haven't you seen me? Do?

542
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 3: I've been wound on TV, I've been wound on radio.

543
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: I've been wound on the internet. I've been wound with fans.

544
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 3: I've been wound with police. I've been wild. I've been

545
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: I've done it. I've done it.

546
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: I've done it anything there is to do. I've been

547
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: blessed enough to.

548
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 3: I've lived, I've lived, I've traveled. Whoever you think the

549
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: baddest girl is. We did that that run, We did this, Joe.

550
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: We was moving around for a little bit. We lived,

551
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: We lived, We lived when it was a ninth life,

552
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 3: when it was a scene in New York, when it

553
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 3: was fun, when it wasn't only internet hoopla shit right,

554
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 3: and now we're living just very differently, just very differently.

555
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: For me, it was Joe, And to hear you say,

556
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: but it took a lot to get to a place

557
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: where you feel people have wronged you or taken the

558
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: shots at you, and you know you're like, you know what,

559
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the bigger person. I'm gonna let it walk,

560
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let it slide. I'm gonna be okay. And

561
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: if I see that person, I'm like, hey, bro, I

562
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: ain't got no hard feelings. I disagree with what you

563
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: had to say, but hey, let's keep it. Because for me, Joe,

564
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: I played a professional sport and I understand the opposing

565
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: fan bases or I understand the opposing team not liking me,

566
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: but but I didn't know so much vichery all in

567
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: hate came until like this. I had no idea Joe.

568
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: I was so disliked by people that were in the

569
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: business that I was in until like really, until Kat

570
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: and people like and people got upset, Like Joe Kat

571
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: comes on your show, you introduce him, we do a

572
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: read just like I did you and he just goes,

573
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: are you stopping you?

574
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: No?

575
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: People say I should have stopped him. I said, hold on.

576
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: And when you do an interview, he told a story

577
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: you remember I had. I had Ricky Smiley on. Ricky

578
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: Smiley told a story that he was originally cast as

579
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: money Mike.

580
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: I remember that. Joe, I do remember how am I

581
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: supposed to check that he's there? So I'm taking him

582
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: at his word.

583
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: He said what he said about I was like, I

584
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: don't know any of I said, guys, y'all make it

585
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: seem like I'm in the comedy space and I know this.

586
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: If I'm in the rap game, I probably know some

587
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: rap beefs, but I'm not in it, so I can't

588
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: speak to it. So if somebody comes and say I

589
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: got a problem with or they did this, I gotta

590
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: take them at their word.

591
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: You can't. I don't do that either. I don't interrupt

592
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: people while they're in the middle of it their testimony.

593
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: Even if they're getting off some bullshit, it's they it's

594
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: their bullshit to get off now if it happens to

595
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 3: be bullshit, and we learned that, and the growing storyline

596
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: is growing online, and then then it makes a lot

597
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 3: of sense and builds anticipations for my next episode, which

598
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: is to address why it's bullshit or have the other

599
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: side come on my shoulder and do it that way.

600
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Speaker 2: But now I try to let people try to let yeah,

601
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: because you was one of the ones that I was

602
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: messing and say you don't mess with me no more.

603
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: But not over that, no. But I'm just trying to

604
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: figure out, help me understand messy. Well, how deep we're going,

605
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: it's deep out?

606
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: How deep were it's deep as your explanation need to

607
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: explain because I.

608
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: Don't put when you have. I think that people were

609
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: coming on this show. I think after the cav Williams interview, yes,

610
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 3: which was congratulations, thank you, But after that, I think

611
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 3: people were coming with a certain agenda who different different guests.

612
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody came in air to anybody. I

613
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: think people were coming to get some shit off shortly

614
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: after that.

615
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: You know, I had Monique was the only one. A

616
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: lot of what Monique had said, Monique had already said. Monique,

617
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: the Lee Daniels, the Oprah, the Steve Harvey, the Kevin Hart.

618
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: That wasn't the first time she said that. So let

619
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: me ask you a question. So when people go on

620
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: oprah show and they tell Oprah things that probably nobody

621
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: else knew, it is Oprah messy?

622
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 3: No?

623
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: Why not? No? Why not?

624
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: She's not messing why, she's creating the space. She's creating

625
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 3: the space to hear something that we've never heard before.

626
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: So I'm not doing that.

627
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: You know what it came off like with you, Shannon,

628
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you, because Oprah's been there for

629
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: my entire life. Doe shit with you. I'll use the

630
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: example of music. Sometimes when funk Master Flex would get

631
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 3: on the radio and drop all these bombs about a song, Yeah,

632
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: new song, new song, new song, new songs, and not

633
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: play some of the veterans music. Like the veterans would

634
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 3: feel like you fifty years old, You're not getting in

635
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: your car when you off work to put on MC

636
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: little Bubbax like you pumping up on the Radiaro. So

637
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 3: sometimes it was coming off like, Okay, we know Shannon Sharp.

638
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: We know Shannon Sharp from football. I don't think Shannon

639
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 3: Sharp give us about some of the mess Step would

640
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 3: come up some of it.

641
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: But see, here's the thing for me, And this was

642
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: very strategic.

643
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: And when I was at Fox, they didn't want me

644
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: to interview a lot of the people that weren't sports related.

645
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: I said, but in order for me to grow this platform,

646
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to interview people other than sports. So

647
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: I got to interview comedians. I got an interview some lebs,

648
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: I got to interview influencers in order to grow. So

649
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: plus at the end of the day, like you said,

650
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: it's entertainment. I had no idea that so many people.

651
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: I understand the comedy space is very competitive. Most areas

652
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: are competitive, the tech space, whatever the space may be.

653
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: But I didn't know Kat peeled it away. They got

654
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: upset at me because Cat told his story. If you

655
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: go back and listen, Cat says, I came here because

656
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: you allow a safe space for people to tell their stories.

657
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: Uninterrupted.

658
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: Now, if I wanted to be messy, if I can

659
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: show you some dms, will let me come on and

660
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: let it air.

661
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: This guy.

662
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: Let me tell you about what athlete that I messing with.

663
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: If I wanted to be messy, But that ain't what

664
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: we do. I tell CJ all the time. I said, CEJ,

665
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: look at this. Nah, we're not going there. Somebody said

666
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: this about me. I said, Nah, you can go on

667
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: somebody else platform. That's a better fact.

668
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: I said.

669
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: Go to Joe, I said, Joe, let you, I said,

670
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: but I can't do that. So if I was gonna

671
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: be messy, Joe would not take that approach.

672
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 2: Shit, don't tell him come to me and be messy.

673
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: Don't tell them come to me. Yeah, I like to

674
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: be messy behind these people's backs. Nah, I don't.

675
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: I don't want to just open up the platform for that,

676
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: for that type of ship. And and also that to

677
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 3: what you're saying right like, I'm not mad at a

678
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: little healthy mess. No, I don't do that little healthy mess.

679
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: Oh please, you don't do that.

680
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: If you don't knock it off, you definitely do that.

681
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: Don't do that, you definitely do that. I allow a

682
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: safe face like Oprah. They call me, they called Meoprah. Yeah,

683
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: so listen here, Joe, are you trying to get.

684
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: Married or you like, No, that's healthy. That is a

685
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: healthy mess. It's healthy mess.

686
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: I was at I said, Joe, you have this volleyball

687
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: served to and typically people being didn't had a few

688
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: of the Well Janny, you know what, she did say

689
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: something about marriage then today, but this is how I

690
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: really feel. I give you five example. Gee Herbo he

691
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: came home, talked about this girl. He said, man, you

692
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: know what now that you're talking about it, Hell, I

693
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: was thinking about going home and getting on the knee

694
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: right now.

695
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: What happened? Congratulations? Yeah too. By the way, see, I

696
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: guess I was being messy with that. No, it can be.

697
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 2: It can be messing again. Pardon me for a minute.

698
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 2: So I wanted to get that again because I didn't

699
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: know how to get to it because.

700
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: I was healthy, healthy mess, healthy man, entertaining, blankhearted, nobody's hurt,

701
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 3: just friendly.

702
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, toss this up there and see what happened.

703
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 2: And nothing wrong with that, Nothing wrong with that. I

704
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: don't look at that mass. I would just would like

705
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: to be called I'm like, I'd just like to provide

706
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: a safe space.

707
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: And I think the thing is, Joe, the biggest thing

708
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: is is that when people come on no matter what

709
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: it's transpired in their lives. I feel I can tell

710
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: you can tell your story without its most salacious detail.

711
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: You've been in this thing twenty thirty, forty years, whatever

712
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: your most embarrassing moment is, we ain't got to mention it,

713
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: and you can still tell your story and be who

714
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: you are.

715
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: That's a fact.

716
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: I agree with that, and so that's that's agree that

717
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: a lot of times people like Gary Owens. I didn't

718
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 1: know Gary Owens was gonna share all that he said.

719
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: I had no idea, and then people get mad man

720
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: you you made the man seem how.

721
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I want you. I'm like you, I'm like what, damn?

722
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 2: So what am I? I said?

723
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: You do realize a conversation anytime me and you tell

724
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: me and say, hey, man, dude, try to run run

725
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: me over?

726
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: Oh really? You really? Well?

727
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: I didn't get the guy. I don't get the guy's side.

728
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: They try to run you over. So theoretically, that's gossip.

729
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: You said, that's one side. Any time it's one sided,

730
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: it's gossip.

731
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

732
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: So in other words, Joe, what you're saying today that

733
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: anybody that comes on the platform and the other person

734
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: that there, he or she is talking about is not

735
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: there to refute or cooperate that story.

736
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: It is what gossip. Okay, gossip, Okay, that's all I wanted,

737
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: That's all I would do. Then, Now y'all hear that's

738
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 2: the Podfather talking. He better this thing much longer than

739
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 2: I have. I got five years in the game, about

740
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: to be six in July. He been in this thing

741
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: for like twenty. But when you go get the other side,

742
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 2: it could be viewed as message. But that's the point,

743
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: just so we clear oudam man.

744
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 3: There's never a world in this thing where somebody is

745
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 3: not going to you allege something yet about you.

746
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 2: If you're doing this property right, this is that part.

747
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 3: There's that part of it too, Like whatever model was successful,

748
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: there is somebody out there that thinks otherwise or has

749
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: something to say about how it's being done.

750
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: Man, it's just a fact, Joe. The thing is with Cat.

751
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: Do you know how long I tried to get Cat

752
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: Because I wanted to get Cat a long time because

753
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: I thought he was money Mike and the Pimp chronicles.

754
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: I was like, man, it's never gonna happen because Cat,

755
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be on this side of town.

756
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 3: And Cat don't like to fly. Cat take the tour bus,

757
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 3: you see. And that's why you got to trust God.

758
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 3: The timing of that, the timing of that I had Cat.

759
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 3: I had Cat during COVID h and during a movie

760
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 3: promo where he had the publicists standing next to him

761
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: and just saying and he was still awesome.

762
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. It was during so it was the.

763
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 3: Zoomed Yeah, you had him where y'all could get to

764
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: what y'all needed to really get to.

765
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: But I had and the lady I'm good enough to la.

766
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: I had never seen this lady before in my life, Joe.

767
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: She said, Hey, how you doing, Shannon? I said, do

768
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: I know you, ma'am? She's like no, She's like told

769
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: me her name. She said, what are you doing here?

770
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: I said, my attorney is here. I mean he's been here,

771
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: he said, I didn't know that. She said, today, I'm

772
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: leaving the day of my last dad work. I said, oh, well, congratulations,

773
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: hope you get something great. I said, if you don't

774
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: mind me doing, what are you going to do? She

775
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: tells me what she's going to do, and I was like, man,

776
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: I've been trying to get camp for two years. She said,

777
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: oh really, okay, I ain't think nothing of somebody living alone,

778
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: like just like that.

779
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: That was a Friday.

780
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: The following Friday, Cat sitting on the crack across from me. Now,

781
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: you asked me when we started, Man, how many Q

782
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: cars you got? I had another thirty minutes to go,

783
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: I said, man, c J b producer, I said, we wrapped.

784
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: Cat said we done? I said, yeah, I think we

785
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 2: got everything. He's like, you sure. I was like, yeah,

786
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: I'm done.

787
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: He knew he knew no Joe. So c J looking

788
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 1: at the back and c J's shaking his head. I said,

789
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: oh man, we're gonna messed up. I was like, let

790
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: me take this mic back off. I said, what happened?

791
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: He said, Sheldon, You're gonna break then, I said. C

792
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: J said, we had it. Joe, John know that, but

793
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: Joe I had no idea, though, Joe, come out.

794
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm sitting it. I mean because you you in it, Yes,

795
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: you in it, yes, and you're in it. You don't

796
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 1: even know what just happened. You're just working.

797
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: You got it done. They get to see it different,

798
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: look different.

799
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: He said no, he said, Sheldon, this is gonna break

800
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: it in He said, shuld they're gonna talk about this forever.

801
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 2: I said, you, thanks so c J.

802
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 3: He said, yeah, the foresight in it, just the the

803
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 3: profit he was able to be, Like he started that

804
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 3: year off with ship that even if you thought that

805
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 3: it sounded crazy, I mean, the cat is cat. Yeah

806
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: he intelligent, well read, so you know what he's saying.

807
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: But even if you thought he was crazy a little bit,

808
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 1: the way that year played out, I was like, Joe,

809
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: my lord, do you know how hard it was to

810
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: book get I ain't coming on after Cat.

811
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, it's.

812
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: The only person. I mean, the only person was what's

813
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: their country? Wayne country? Wayne said, I'll come yo.

814
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: I was like, okay.

815
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 3: But you know what's funny though, like they always tell

816
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: you and music, right, don't go in the studio trying

817
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 3: to make a hit, right, like, just go be creative,

818
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: just be you like and it be the song of

819
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: the session that you just made, just and that's the

820
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: one to go.

821
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: That's the one that's just out of here. You just

822
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: had no idea. Well, your moment came pump it up. Yeah,

823
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: that was my first big moment. Yeah, what was that moment? Like,

824
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: did you like I'm here, I'm here?

825
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 3: No, I was twenty two. I was twenty to twenty

826
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: three years old, So no, it was fun. I got

827
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: to travel the world and wasn't experienced. I made some money,

828
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 3: lost some money. It was a good good contract, now

829
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 3: bad contract, good contracts somewhat.

830
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: Well, it's hard.

831
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: I mean, when you're young, to save all your money,

832
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: you just hope you're in there long enough to recoup it.

833
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: But you gotta buy some stuff. Joe, we come from nothing.

834
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: I was listen, I was twenty three. I had no

835
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 3: idea what I was doing. I didn't have the slightest

836
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: clue about taxes. I didn't have the slightest clue about

837
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 3: how to pay a ticket. I didn't have probably a license.

838
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 3: I had a big hummer, no license, just riding out places.

839
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 3: Then I think my business accountant took all my money, damn.

840
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: And then I was.

841
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: Broke, and then all the label heads changed and went

842
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 3: somewhere else. Then I never put another album out, and

843
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 3: then I defended for myself for the rest of my career.

844
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 3: So yes, Pump It Up was a lot of fun,

845
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 3: but short lived. Shortly after that, you and the Trenches.

846
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: Do you regret not putting out another album?

847
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 3: Well, I put on a ton albums, just not on

848
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 3: jam right in that system. Yeah, yeah, no major label

849
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 3: at that time. We later Didslaugh the House on Interscope,

850
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 3: which was a major label. But at that time, you know,

851
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 3: at that time, all I wanted was independence, right, All

852
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 3: I wanted was independence. All I wanted was to cut

853
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 3: out all of these political talking heads and execs that

854
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: don't know me all my music, I don't really care.

855
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: Everybody had a different interest other than who I was,

856
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 3: and I learned that at the time. So I'd spent

857
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 3: years fighting for independence, to get out of a bad

858
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 3: recording contract, to get out of a band publishing contract,

859
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: or contracts.

860
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 2: That just didn't suit me or reflect the market. As

861
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: time went on, it was just all bad.

862
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 3: So my own career has been a story of fighting

863
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 3: for independence and persevering.

864
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: What didn't you know about the music business? Anything? I

865
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: didn't know. I didn't know the budget that was attached to.

866
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 3: Every everything in music, recording budget, marketing budget, promo budget.

867
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: I didn't know about lawyers. I didn't know, Oh that

868
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 3: come out of yours. Oh yeah, everything comes out of yours.

869
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: Everything.

870
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: Everything's cupable at this time because you can't get anything

871
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 3: popping without the labels.

872
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: You can't. This is physical products still. People going to

873
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: the store. Shit.

874
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: So if you you got to, you gotta store this

875
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 3: music somewhere. You gotta have your video going. You got

876
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 3: anything that was music? At twenty three years old, I

877
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 3: didn't know. I didn't even understand it. Who you need

878
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: a hit record? What is a hit record?

879
00:44:59,120 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: Okay?

880
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 3: What how do you get one of those? I didn't

881
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 3: know who was producing what. I didn't know shit. I

882
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 3: was from Jersey City. I rapped well, and here I am.

883
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 3: So all of it was learning. All of it was learning.

884
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,479
Speaker 3: I was never gonna make it. I was never gonna

885
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 3: make it there right because I didn't know anything. I

886
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 3: have any information.

887
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: So fun times though fun times. Everybody can't say that

888
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: they have.

889
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 3: Uh smash, timeless smash.

890
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: I still hear pump it up places today, like I

891
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: hear when when you first heard it? What did you say?

892
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: You like? I've made it? Well?

893
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 3: When I hear it today or in recent years or

894
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: just as I've grown up, it's like I hear twenty

895
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: two year old Joe Budden. I hear the guy that

896
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 3: was a great MC that was doing his best on

897
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 3: this beat that he got from just Blaze, and if

898
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: I don't come up with something, they'll drop me from

899
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: my label. Like I hear that guy who had the

900
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 3: world that had him, but he delivered, right, he delivered.

901
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 3: That's the important part. You asked, You called me to

902
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 3: the plate at twenty three to hit something out of

903
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 3: the part, and I did that so early on. That's

904
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: what it tells me today, is that early on I

905
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 3: showcase the ability to be able to hit one out

906
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 3: the park.

907
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what I sent you was at

908
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: death Jail. Give me your mouth rushmore depth Jail.

909
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: Of death Jim yuh ll cool Jay.

910
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: Okay, it has to be l cool Jay. There's a

911
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 3: trick in this question. No, not from you, not from you,

912
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: but you.

913
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like with anything you're gonna leave some

914
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: people off run DMC was death Jam. Yeah, there's a trick.

915
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 3: One of the artists that we think of death Jam

916
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 3: wasn't death Jams me up that I can't remember that

917
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 3: right now.

918
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going ll Cool j some people. I'm doing

919
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: more than four. You want me to go ahead, but

920
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 2: you want to get.

921
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 3: Some because because best boys, I would have to get

922
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 3: the beastie boys. If Run DMC was dead, and Run

923
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 3: DMC has to be there, but jay Z and d

924
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 3: m X have to be there.

925
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 2: Kanye is there, Rihanna's there. Oh no that, I don't

926
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: care about none of that. You ain't leaving, Kanye. I

927
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: don't care about none of that. Leave you leave it, Kanye. Yeah,

928
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: you said you said Mount Rushmore. Yeah, Kanye, you got LLL,

929
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 2: you got run DMC.

930
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: You can't forget the fore fathers. I can't forget. That's

931
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 3: what That's what they'll say. You can't forget the forefathers,

932
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: the people that paved the way for all these other

933
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 3: great people.

934
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: L has got to be the foundation, the foundation. He's

935
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: got to be after l L. I don't really care

936
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: what you do.

937
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: L L. Is that that that there was a death

938
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: jam for the rest of Yeah, he's the reason there

939
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: is a death jam. Absolutely, Yeah, damn. I don't care.

940
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: Who's your favorite artist today? Who Joe Budden listened.

941
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 3: To, Oh I'm R and B at oh so more,

942
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 3: I'm R and B ad so I listened to all

943
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: R and B. Anybody that's making R and B music.

944
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 3: I'm listening, whether it be current, whether it be some oldies.

945
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: That's all I'm on the grooves on serious. That's all

946
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: I listened to.

947
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm doing Donnelle Jones, Carl Thomas, after seven, I've

948
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 3: been on a Ralph Tress band kick lately, Tony Braxton,

949
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 3: Anita Baker, bris and Tiller, Chris Brown, Lloyd's being there,

950
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 3: who else I could go on anything, R and B.

951
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: I listened to Okay, okay, Man, You've been very open

952
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: about the progression of how wild and maybe reckless or

953
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: crazy you were in your younger years, and you mentioned

954
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: a lot of that had to do with drugs and

955
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: things of that nature. When did you come to that realization, like, man, Joe,

956
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: I got to change or this is not going to

957
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: end well for me.

958
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 2: What was what was that? What was that moment?

959
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: Uh?

960
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 3: Well, I have had that moment a few times in

961
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 3: my life. So which time the first time? Yeah, the

962
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 3: very first time.

963
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: No, you don't, you don't have to give it the

964
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: first time. What was it about this last time that

965
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: made it stick? This last time was the perk epidemic.

966
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 3: This last time was when the doctors were writing on

967
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: these slips in the hospitals and prescribing the perks and

968
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 3: people were getting hooked on them perks and oxies. They

969
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: did a damn what's the TV show they did about it?

970
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 3: I don't remember right now. Not Dope Sick, but the

971
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 3: Sackler family, the Saclo family.

972
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

973
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 3: I went to the hospital around two thousand and eight,

974
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine with what I understood to be

975
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 3: a issue with my hand that turned into something bigger

976
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 3: than we thought. They prescribed me with medicine. Perks were

977
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 3: on that list, and when I left the hospital, I

978
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 3: was hooked to perks. I was addicted to perksts and

979
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 3: oxycontins and was able to get them on the street

980
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 3: level and bulky. Oh yeah, my altoy case would be rocking.

981
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't. I didn't.

982
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: I didn't leave home with less than forty pills on me.

983
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 3: What thirties too big, boys. I didn't leave home without him,

984
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: just in case you bumped into a party. Yeah, but

985
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 3: you do that long enough, your body starts to become

986
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 3: almost dependent on it, and if you get off it

987
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 3: to try to get off it, you'll start going through

988
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 3: these really deep and intense withdrawals, cold sweats at night.

989
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 3: I couldn't. I couldn't live like that. I couldn't live

990
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 3: like that. Was I was killing myself fully, but surely

991
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 3: I thank god every day that I experienced that at

992
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 3: the time that I did, because that was before fittanyl

993
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 3: MHM and what fitanel is out here doing and how

994
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 3: undetectable it is unless you're out there actually testing every

995
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 3: drug that you take. The pill head that I was,

996
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 3: I would kill myself, There's no doubt about it. I'd

997
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 3: have been dead just like that.

998
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: And you just woke up one day and like, you

999
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: know what, that's it.

1000
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to say it, like I

1001
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 3: woke up one day like I just had all the

1002
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 3: this self control I had. I had people, my parents,

1003
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 3: my instrumental in that, my friend group, everybody in my

1004
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 3: life was really instrumental and.

1005
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 2: Weaning me off of that stuff. And it wasn't overnight.

1006
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: It wasn't it was. It was a struggle. But again,

1007
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 2: I thank god it happened back then and not not now. Right.

1008
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 2: Do you go to rehab? No? I didn't.

1009
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 3: I mean I've been before, but not for first again.

1010
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 3: This perk shit, I'm talking about two thousand and then

1011
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 3: whatever years.

1012
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: I just said, like in two thousand and eight, nine ten,

1013
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: I'm a rapper. Yeah, like I wasn't one of those

1014
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 2: you know how the.

1015
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 3: White people able to white people able to they got

1016
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 3: some shit going on.

1017
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm going into this two week facility. Yeah, and

1018
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 2: then they come out.

1019
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 3: No, that wasn't our bag. We couldn't if I went

1020
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: away somewhere, bills ain't getting paid. Yeah, and I'm famous.

1021
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 3: And at the time, your pill addiction is taboo toy

1022
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 3: even discussed out there because all of us of zombies

1023
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: moving around so not we all needed we all needed

1024
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 3: to get educated on what that was doing.

1025
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 2: I read you try to zip it for a week

1026
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: and couldn't eat, or for a week.

1027
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 3: I'm on it right now, damn and that Olympic, that

1028
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 3: opic zep I'm on xet doown set down.

1029
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 2: This is mine? What's today? What's today? Monday? Monday?

1030
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 3: My second week? It's my second week. Well, no, this

1031
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 3: week will start my third week.

1032
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 2: I love it. You know it's a difference pretty good

1033
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: between what h Do I notice a difference? No, there's

1034
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 2: a difference. I told you I was trying to get

1035
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: dressed and put something on to come in. I couldn't.

1036
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 2: I couldn't fit and ship I lost a lot of way.

1037
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: How much you want do you think you lost?

1038
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 3: I'm sure I'm less than two hundred and twenty pounds

1039
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 3: right now, and I when I but my weight loss

1040
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 3: started before I started taking ze, right. I did some

1041
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 3: dietary changes. I did some dietary changes. I added some

1042
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 3: things to my workout routine. And for December, I was like,

1043
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 3: you know what, we rock and roll. So I was

1044
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 3: losing weight already, right, This was just supposed to be

1045
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 3: like an extra on the boot the bo. Yeah, it's

1046
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 3: just all it was supposed to be. And I'm probably

1047
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 3: under two twenty right now. Was over two forty. Really, yeah, So.

1048
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 2: What's the idea wait for Joe? You want to try

1049
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 2: to get out of two hundred to ten? No?

1050
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 3: No, no, I'd like to walk around at probably if

1051
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 3: I'm two twenty right now, I'd like to I could

1052
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 3: see between two ten and two fifteen. I still I

1053
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 3: don't anything less than that. I wouldn't feel comfortable being

1054
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: out outside just in case something gotta go on.

1055
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 2: You done got too big. You gotta run, Not Joe,

1056
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: I got you got you gotta run. I can't run.

1057
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 2: I just walk for you. I'm not running.

1058
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 3: I told you I need something happened, man, But yeah, yeah,

1059
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 3: two ten, two ten to two fifteen to be a

1060
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 3: good walk around way.

1061
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 2: But yeah, look at Joe y'all, I'm told sharing about

1062
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 2: the zen No that no, look I look, I know

1063
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 2: about it. You want it?

1064
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: No as you look good to be. I picked yourself beat. No,

1065
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: I still work out, not like I used to, not

1066
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: like I used to.

1067
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 2: But hold on.

1068
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: But oh you know what now I remember that's why

1069
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: you got in trouble because you made a joke on

1070
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: your show about bubble zippy that zipp it what by

1071
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: uh your former co host?

1072
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 2: No, you know what happened you So you're so good.

1073
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 2: I'm just saying you did. You got in trouble, Joe,

1074
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: I remember you. So you know this guy is good

1075
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: at what he does. I ain't gonna lie to you.

1076
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: This is what this is what happened. What you're talking about.

1077
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 2: I was getting on a co host for hiding it. Yeah,

1078
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 2: not doing it.

1079
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 3: I didn't even have enough understanding of what it was.

1080
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 3: I just felt like, if you're doing this and this

1081
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 3: is all the rave out in the street and everybody's

1082
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 3: doing it, then coming in and tell us about it.

1083
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 3: Let's let's talk about it. Don't be so like yeah,

1084
00:55:59,080 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 3: so it wasn't.

1085
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: For people don't want you to know. People just want

1086
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: you to think they're going to the gym, they eating right.

1087
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: They don't want you to think that they're getting a help.

1088
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 3: If I'm watching you go in another room with throwing

1089
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 3: up and whatever you're doing, and it's like, Okay, something's

1090
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 3: going on over there. So yeah, but I get people

1091
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 3: wanting to keep a secret. I'm not mad at that,

1092
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 3: not me, my whole life. I'm I'm with just telling

1093
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 3: it like it is. If I'm on it, you're gonna

1094
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 3: hear about it from me.

1095
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 2: So are you working out? Also, you've been working out? Yeah?

1096
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been working out, eating right, you eat properly. Yes,

1097
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 3: I'm as healthy. I'm the healthiest right this second that

1098
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 3: I've probably ever been. Lifestyle wise, wow, lifestyle wise. And

1099
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 3: these are from these are from listen.

1100
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 2: Man, I'm not we have lost too many people, but

1101
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 2: me too. I encourage the people listening go get all

1102
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: of that shit done. All of it. It's annoying. I know.

1103
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 3: I almost stopped the full body on MRI right at

1104
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 3: the tail end of it. Let me out this little

1105
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 3: tight ass machine.

1106
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: But no, you gotta do it.

1107
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 3: Get the heart, get the heard skin. I don't't sound

1108
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 3: like I'm preaching, but it's just that important. It's too

1109
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 3: many people dropping dead.

1110
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, scared to get a skin, all that shit, Yeah,

1111
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: all the what insurance costs. I get everything done, That's

1112
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I mean my adult but probably the

1113
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: first month of the year. Yeah, I get everything done.

1114
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: All it's that important. It is, it's that important. You

1115
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: mentioned your basketball, that you like to play basketball. You're

1116
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: done with basketball.

1117
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: You need bad.

1118
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 3: That was many many many years ago, many years ago.

1119
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 3: I'm done with basketball with it. Last year, we just

1120
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 3: for recreation, we went and had a basketball game, rented

1121
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 3: out some gym and jersey. I went out there and

1122
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 3: made a complete fool of myself. That was actually the

1123
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 3: start of me saying, you know what, we gotta make

1124
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 3: some lifestyles. Yes, if I can't get out here and

1125
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 3: score bucket in twenty one without huffing and puffing, then

1126
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 3: we gotta make some changes.

1127
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 2: Well, Joe, you can't be a part of the podcast. Wards, Dan,

1128
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, No, no, no, I can't, No, I can't.

1129
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 3: I mean we only these are professional app y'all are

1130
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 3: professional athletes.

1131
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 2: At nineigga, even doing this all all this, No, no, no, no,

1132
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 2: no no.

1133
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, cause we mentioned a couple of pards.

1134
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, we gotta get Joe

1135
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: Budden into this thing too. You know, of the pods,

1136
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: it was us, It was McAfee, pivot, all the smoke

1137
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: that five five twenty.

1138
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so all of the athletes, y'all can have that.

1139
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: Hello, I'm sure somebody on the set was an athlete

1140
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: at one point in time, maybe not professional.

1141
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 3: With Listen, if y'all need people to commented, or if

1142
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 3: y'all just need some some extra support on the sideline,

1143
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 3: then please.

1144
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 2: We got other things. Look, we got table titty. Can

1145
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: you shoot pool? You know? You know? No? Not the

1146
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 2: Oh damn Joe, you know what? I could do that.

1147
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 3: All of the famous select people just never seen it.

1148
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 3: They just seem to run for me every time I

1149
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 3: say it. What so maybe I could talk some shit here.

1150
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 3: I can't find a good spade game anymore, now, you

1151
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 3: know I can't find it.

1152
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 2: I can't. I'm a spadeologist. Oh my see. And this

1153
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 2: is part of why, and this is part of why.

1154
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 2: Tell me somebody with you on HBCU that can't play

1155
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 2: space and this is the this is the thing. I

1156
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: got a pad. A lot of people went to HBC.

1157
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 2: This is the thing about spades.

1158
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 3: Simple rules, so everybody knows how to play the game

1159
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 3: of spades.

1160
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 2: Everybody don't play space. Look, I just want to know

1161
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: how you playing any anyway? You want to big joke,

1162
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: a little joker, a king, A big big joke, A

1163
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 2: little joke, a deuce of doma, how we play anyway

1164
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: in the world. But see that what I'm.

1165
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 3: Saying, joker, joke of deuce, deuce joka, joker, ace king,

1166
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:50,919
Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about.

1167
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 2: It down.

1168
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 3: We could do ace checks. We could do so I

1169
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 3: just don't play kindergarten spades. I don't play well.

1170
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,479
Speaker 2: I normally don't play for free because I'm great.

1171
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 3: But if I'm gonna play for free, I'm not doing

1172
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 3: the blinds and uh bags and uh oh yeah.

1173
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: So you oh you don't want to count you're not

1174
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: counted over because if you get so many over you

1175
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: get to get back on that.

1176
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 3: Well, no, because if I'm not playing for free, if

1177
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 3: you don't get them, you don't bat them, you don't

1178
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 3: get them.

1179
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 2: Right.

1180
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 3: If you have a hen and you're sitting there playing

1181
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 3: for enough money, you are gonna want to bid them.

1182
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: There's no incentive to not bid your hand in the

1183
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 3: non free game. I like this only with the amateurs.

1184
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 2: I like sitting there. I got too. Yeah, I like

1185
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: not like seven. I didn't see these.

1186
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like to say it bag and then because

1187
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: I see, because I know what you're gonna say, Man,

1188
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: you had all the bid your head.

1189
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 2: Don't be married. Yeah, but I see most times.

1190
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 3: But also most times it's ten books, ten books or

1191
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 3: less books made, so five five books made, six four

1192
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 3: books made. So if somebody is saying bagging, then we're

1193
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 3: just gonna keep sitting here.

1194
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 2: What you got? All right, We're gonna board. What you do?

1195
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: Y'all go on board? Oh all right? Oh you gold?

1196
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, you go board. I'm

1197
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 2: trying to say, I'm not gonna even let you get bored.

1198
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 2: But if you don't bet them, that's okay. I just

1199
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 2: want you to go back. You got a partner, because

1200
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 2: you got some money too. I love it. Yeah, I

1201
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 2: love to come take a few of your I play

1202
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 2: we play individuals, fades. You have played it like that?

1203
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 2: Tell me more?

1204
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: Shoff for the cars. Pull a card if you like it.

1205
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: You keep it, turn the other one face down.

1206
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 3: No, I've never heard of that. I've heard of contract stage. Yeah,

1207
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 3: where two people are seeting here and my partner is

1208
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 3: not there. But we're gonna put the hand face up

1209
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 3: and everybody can see it, and I'm gonna play both fans.

1210
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 2: I've heard of that.

1211
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 3: No.

1212
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: See, we played like a lot of times. You ain't

1213
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: got no, you don't have no partner. It's just me

1214
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: and versus you. So we're gonna shove for the cars.

1215
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: I got an ace of diamond. I'm gonna keep that.

1216
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: I don't look at the next car. I turned it

1217
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: face down, so I don't know what that is. That

1218
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: could have been a I have played this. I'm one

1219
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: half place. Yeah, I know it sounded a little from man.

1220
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 2: I played this.

1221
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: I played this boy that get interested because he's like,

1222
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: damn does he have an ace of diamond?

1223
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 2: Damn? Well, if there's ever a time where you are

1224
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 2: in the Tri State area, who are your partner? My dad?

1225
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, eat breaks off y'all. Me and my homeboy Burns.

1226
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: I come up here just to beat beat the brakes

1227
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: off you.

1228
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 3: We won tournaments, we got got trophies, We've we've been

1229
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 3: doing it. If you ask see that, I don't want

1230
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 3: you to leave here. Ask about us, and then I

1231
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 3: don't hear from you because if you ask enough people,

1232
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 3: somebody's gonna tell you, Oh, you.

1233
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 2: Got the trophy. We both got trophy. Well I will

1234
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 2: come get it. We bon you had a trophy. You

1235
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 2: you got it. I'm sad. I just needed to know

1236
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 2: who had it. Yeah, well you come on, you come

1237
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: and get it. This God, Jimmy, let's get out. The sports.

1238
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 2: Jets are giants.

1239
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 3: I'm a giants, man. I'm not an at anything that's

1240
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 3: Matt's Jets. So Yankees, Giants, Knicks.

1241
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sir, it's been, it's been. It's been.

1242
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 2: It's been a struggle for you guys lately. Man, which guys?

1243
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 2: Which which guy? Giants? Oh? Nick, all of us? Yeah no, no, no, no,

1244
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 2: no no no no, that's not true. But you, first

1245
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: of all, were you alive when the Knicks one last

1246
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 2: won the championship? I wasn't.

1247
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: Okay, the Giants it's been two thousand and what ten,

1248
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten.

1249
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 2: It's been fifteen years, okay, Uh, the Yankees.

1250
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: Has been two thousand and nine, So it's been a while, y'all. Yeah,

1251
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: it's been a while.

1252
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 2: DA hasn't been on nine. But yeah, positive, Okay, well

1253
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: I was there for but it's all right. What does

1254
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 2: that mean? I mean, y'all gotta you're gonna have a

1255
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 2: new You're gonna have a new head coach at the Giants.

1256
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 2: Who you want? You want Harbor? Yeah? Yeah? Out of

1257
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 2: the out of the guys that have been presented, Yeah, yeah,

1258
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 2: I'll take Carbro. Hey, he's asking for a lot. Yeah,

1259
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 2: y'all got it. I'll take them. Listen. I can't even

1260
01:03:59,200 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 2: be mad.

1261
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 3: I can't believe the Giants won those last two games

1262
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 3: of the seasons. We do it every year. We do

1263
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 3: it every year, So I'm not I'm not gonna cry

1264
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 3: over spilt Miller. I just want them to get get

1265
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 3: a good draft pick, get a good draft.

1266
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 2: World. You're on AIH. The use of it.

1267
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 3: I think it will be very helpful and it's going

1268
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 3: to eventually change the world. It's gonna be get down

1269
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 3: or lay down, either you learn it or be left mind.

1270
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 2: I'm not with uh. Use your image and the voices

1271
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.

1272
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the laws will have to update so

1273
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 3: people's likeness can continue to be protected.

1274
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 2: See, I'm not with that. It's so new.

1275
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 3: So I'm with the concept, but it has to be

1276
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 3: sort of I'm not with AI being able to take

1277
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 3: dead black dead celebrities make something or sell something and

1278
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 3: not have to they.

1279
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: Don't get Yes, I'm not I'm not with that. I'm

1280
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 2: not with that.

1281
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 3: So it just needs to be sorted out. But can

1282
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 3: it be a really positive tool. I think it cannot.

1283
01:04:58,880 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 3: Think it will be right.

1284
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: Have rappers reached out to you about starting a podcast?

1285
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: See if you've been at this thing for so long

1286
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: and you're so successful at it.

1287
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have, yeah, all the time podcasts. I mean

1288
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 2: not that podcasts.

1289
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 3: The rappers reached out all the time to get some information,

1290
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 3: see if they should start, what they should do, get

1291
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 3: some advice. I don't get keep it. I don't get

1292
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 3: keep it. I don't get keep it when the phone ring,

1293
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 3: what you want to talk about.

1294
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 2: But I'm happy. I'm happy to see a lot of

1295
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 2: people driving in the space, especially rappers, feel like I am.

1296
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Speaker 1: But I tell her, oh, man, man, I ain't really

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Speaker 1: trying to work like you be working, man, you own every.

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Speaker 2: Well, oh, then you should talk to somebody. But you

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Speaker 2: get that I know you get it too. They won't

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Speaker 2: say that to me. That's what they say. Man. People

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Speaker 2: won't say you work, Man, I see you on all

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Speaker 2: the time. I mean you would oat your own four

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Speaker 2: five nights a week, you doing club shit.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, I mean yeah, if you ain't down

1305
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 3: to work, then what conversation? What are we start this

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01:05:58,200 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 3: conversation with?

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01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 2: And what I tell them though?

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Speaker 1: Plus, because we're kind of like like four nights, four

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Speaker 1: or five nights a week. You know, sporting evans happened

1310
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: on the weekend. You know, sporting events are played on

1311
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: the holidays, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year. I say, you do

1312
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Speaker 1: understand that right right time?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: Man, what kind of like I said, Well, those are

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Speaker 1: sacrifices that you have to make. I mean you, I

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Speaker 1: can assure you. Before Amazon became Amazon, Jeff Bezos was

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Speaker 1: working weekends and on holidays. Sure enough, whoever the biggest person,

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Speaker 1: whatever what it is, whatever genre, idiots, I guarantee you

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01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: they had to make sacrifices at some point in time

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Speaker 1: before they could say, you know what, now I'm off

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Speaker 1: this Christmas.

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Speaker 2: But I can't lie to you.

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Speaker 3: I've grown, I've grown to appreciate the fact that everybody's

1324
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Speaker 3: not like that. Actually, I've come to love the fact

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01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 3: that everybody's not like that. I love the separation that

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Speaker 3: it creates.

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Speaker 2: It's like I do. I love the fact that everyone's

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01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 2: engine and hardwire is just not wired like that. Yeah.

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01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 3: It creates a very clear separation between those that do

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01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 3: and those that will not and everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well people wonder why meed that? But Joe, you know

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01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: what people ask we man, why is such and such

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01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: so good? Why is he so great having the success

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01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: that I've been able to have. You think Lebron and

1336
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and all those guys. Think about the sacrifices

1337
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: to be that great for that long. What that entails,

1338
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: to do what you've done in this space for as

1339
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: long as you have that is a sacrifice. But people

1340
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: always talk about what goals. I'm sure you like what goals,

1341
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: but I always ask, Okay, you wrote down your goals

1342
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: on the left side. On the right side, did you

1343
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: write down the sacrifices that you're willing to make to

1344
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: reset goals? Nobody want to write down the sacrifices, which

1345
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: is working on the weekends, working at night, working extra working.

1346
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: You know, we've gone, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, going

1347
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: Tuesday off, Wednesday again, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday.

1348
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 2: Man, that's too much. Okay, what I don't know what

1349
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 2: you want me to tell you?

1350
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 3: Listen, everybody want to own some shit until it's time

1351
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 3: to own some shit. Yes, everybody want to be successful

1352
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 3: until they find out what it looks like to be

1353
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 3: successful like. And that's the grind of it. I love

1354
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 3: all of this shit though, see, And that's what I

1355
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 3: mean just about being passionate.

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01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 2: Yes, no, love what you do so you don't look

1357
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 2: at it as work. You don't look at us a job.

1358
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 3: I'm showing up for this shit, and if I don't

1359
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 3: know it, never did it, then we're gonna do it

1360
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 3: that way.

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01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: But I love it too much. I'm with all the

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01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: bullshit that comes with it. What was a twenty year

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01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: old tail, the thirty year old Joe?

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01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 2: What would a twenty year old hell thirty year old Jill?

1365
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: And then I'm gonna ask what the thirty year old

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Speaker 1: told the forty year old and the forty what's the

1367
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: forty gonna tell the fifty?

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Speaker 2: Shit? What was going on when I was thirty? And

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Speaker 2: I wasn't too long ago.

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Speaker 3: At twenty, I didn't have too much information even about myself,

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Speaker 3: so I would have been limited in what I could

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Speaker 3: share with with my older self. At twenty, I was

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01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 3: just I would have let my older self hear verse.

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Speaker 3: I would have rapped for my thirty year old self,

1375
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 3: is what I would have done, and I would have

1376
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 3: hoped that he was able to hear some talent and

1377
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 3: pull something from it. But I didn't know how to

1378
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 3: do shit but rapping. At twenty years old, I didn't

1379
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 3: have nothing to off of.

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Speaker 2: Nobody. I had left school.

1381
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 3: I was getting my information from real life experience, from

1382
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 3: the streets, from just alternative means and ragert.

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01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, I didn't have nothing knock it off them.

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01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 2: Then you can turn thirty. Oh, Now, when I.

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Speaker 3: Turned thirty, that was a peak depression. That peak depression.

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01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 3: Thirty years old, you weren't where you wanted to be

1387
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 3: in life. We're nowhere and absolutely nowhere near it, nowhere

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01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 3: near it. I was just doing what I loved and

1389
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:22,759
Speaker 3: doing all I knew how to do to stay alive.

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Speaker 3: This was make music still, but by thirty I had

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01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 3: already I'm already up from my music business trauma, my

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01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 3: first few relationships, trauma. I don't have no money at thirty. Wow,

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01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 3: I'm just partying. I'm just partying and drugging.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that.

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01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you glad to get out of your thirties

1396
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 1: hit the forties, but now you're in your forties.

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01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:50,560
Speaker 2: Well by thirty five, By thirty four, thirty five, I

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01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 2: was like, you know what, am I gonna make it

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01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 2: to forty? And I should prep for it? Right? Like?

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01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 2: What do I want my forties to look like?

1401
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 3: And this whatever we've been doing ain't the route, right,

1402
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 3: Let's start gearing up for that. I think that's the

1403
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 3: mistake a lot of people made. They're way too long.

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01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 3: It was thirty four to thirty five when I was like,

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01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 3: what's going on in my forties? The same way right

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01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 3: now I'm forty five. I'd be forty six in August,

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01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 3: but right now I'm like, what do I want my

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01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 3: fifties to look like? Okay, so I should build I

1409
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 3: should start bro build a house, now, buy it a lot. Now, dude,

1410
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 3: you got to prep for it, Yes, you gotta prep

1411
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 3: for it. What would my thirty year old self have

1412
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 3: told my forty ye old self. Probably just do you

1413
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 3: want to get high. And again, nothing of substance, nothing

1414
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 3: of no substance. Still trying to find myself. It wasn't

1415
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 3: It wasn't until now where I'd be able to give

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01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 3: somebody some advice.

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01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 1: When you drive, you say you don't drive, but when

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01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 1: you're sitting in your car, your driver is driving you

1419
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: to it problem. Let's just say he's driving you back

1420
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: home from work and you're sitting in your back to

1421
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: your car and you're probably just looking at the window.

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01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 2: What's going through Joe's head? Oh? Everything.

1423
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 3: I don't turn my brain off work, ship, relationship with

1424
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 3: I mean relationship stuff, parenting stuff, both sides, with my

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01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 3: kids and with my parents. In the workload, I probably, yeah,

1426
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 3: probably seventy five percent of my my brain power is

1427
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 3: just focused on work, just work.

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01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 2: Because you have to. You come in the city. Did

1429
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 2: you shoot the show? No, don't come to city. You crazy.

1430
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 2: I came in the city to do this sit down

1431
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 2: with you. I appreciate it, you know.

1432
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 3: I don't just rush to come to no damn city.

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01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 3: I'm a Jersey. Oh your studios in Jersey. I'm in

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01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 3: New Jersey, Okay, and I live in New Jersey. So

1435
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:50,600
Speaker 3: I'm I don't come here.

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01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I don't absolutely have to come.

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01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not coming. I was

1438
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 3: shocked on the way over there. Like then all its construction,

1439
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 3: you can tell me about it. I was like, oh,

1440
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 3: they're doing a lot of work.

1441
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: I used to I used to work in New York

1442
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: for a decade and coming up here at all, man,

1443
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:06,640
Speaker 1: sh don't miss it. No, it's a night man man

1444
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 1: coming come and coming from the airport, whether it's Logwardy

1445
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: or jlk's if a nightmare.

1446
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Then you were slave to like traffic times, slave

1447
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 2: to traffic times. Is it any good time for traffic?

1448
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's just the traffic when you don't expect.

1449
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:23,679
Speaker 3: It was thirty minutes to get two blocks, three blocks.

1450
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 3: I'm like, thank god, I'm early. You know, I'm a

1451
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 3: Jersey where we record over late night?

1452
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 2: Were you interested into it late night?

1453
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 3: Uh? Interested? And there was a time I could have

1454
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 3: seen myself doing it. I think the medium, like I said,

1455
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 3: is different now. So you know that's that's streaming, Yes,

1456
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 3: that's streaming now.

1457
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 2: But would I have done it? Could I have done it? Yeah? Yeah, definitely.

1458
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 2: What's the future media? You met?

1459
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: You like to say, you like to look at things

1460
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 1: and blocks, five ten year blocks, five years, ten years

1461
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 1: from now?

1462
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 2: What are we what are we talking about? What are

1463
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 2: we doing in five to ten years?

1464
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 3: One or some of these companies that we view as

1465
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 3: a behemoth in the space will be insignificant and obsolete

1466
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 3: in five to ten years.

1467
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 2: If not more than that, Wow, if.

1468
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 3: Not more than that, I see the personalities continuing to

1469
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 3: take over. There'll be some smaller companies that just make

1470
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 3: the right decisions paired with personalities, and there will be

1471
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 3: a lot of success there. What else do I see

1472
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 3: in five to ten years? I see growth. I see

1473
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 3: growth for the media space and all around growth. I'm

1474
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 3: talking about an audience financially, so about how things will

1475
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 3: be consumed in five to ten years. Really, I mean,

1476
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 3: that's the race. That's the race. That's what everybody's fighting for.

1477
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 3: And data, his ears, data and consumption, that's that's.

1478
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 2: That's it. Anything you want to promote, anything you got

1479
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 2: going on, we want to tell the audience about it.

1480
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 2: Not at all.

1481
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 3: Check out the Joe Button podcasts. Uh, subscribe to the

1482
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 3: Patreon all the shit that Shannon promote. It's the same

1483
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 3: ship you heard him say. You heard one person saying,

1484
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 3: everybody doesn't say that.

1485
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 2: How often is what days is the Joe Button podcast?

1486
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 2: What day can they find it?

1487
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 3: We drop four times a week on Patreon, so we

1488
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 3: dropped Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday, depending on how we

1489
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 3: feel it could be bonus content throughout throughout the other days.

1490
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 3: We try to drop as much as we can, so

1491
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 3: subscribe to the Patreon at Joe Budden. Check out the podcast.

1492
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 3: Shannon again, thank you for having me. This was amazing.

1493
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 3: Podfather Joe Budden.

1494
01:15:54,160 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 2: All my life running all my life, sacrifice one slope.

1495
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 2: Got to brow the dice to swap all my life.

1496
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 2: I've been grinding all my life.

1497
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:08,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, all my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle,

1498
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,799
Speaker 3: play the price and want a slice.

1499
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 2: Got to brow the dice, the.

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01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 1: Swap all my life.

1501
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 2: I've been grinding all my life.

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01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 1: Mm hmm