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Join our community at soft rep dot com. 19 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: That's s o f r EP dot com. Ah beat force. 20 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough. You're 21 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: listening to software radio, special operations, military news and straight 22 00:01:27,120 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 1: talk with the guys and the community YEA. In this episode, 23 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: Manaton editor starus At Latmazo Wood and former Delta Force 24 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: operator and software priator George Hunt sit down with sensor 25 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: James Williams. Sense Williams trained America's most elite personal operations 26 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: units in combatives and knife fighting. During their discussion, they 27 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: talk about knife making, combatives, and the right mental state 28 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: of for combat, among other things. They also go over 29 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: some amazing stories from downraids and how sensors combative teachings 30 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: has saved the lives of America's best Did you please 31 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: go over your time in the military Callimardo sta Rose 32 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: was in the notary from sixty six to sixty nine. 33 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: Started out as a lab Bravo. I did end up 34 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: going to after candidate school because I couldn't do what 35 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: I wanted because I couldn't see. But it is a 36 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: good interesting time for me. Taught me a lot of 37 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: things besides that special sense of humor we discussed that 38 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: have helped me throughout my life and helped me later 39 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: on here to be able to help our modern military. 40 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: Modern because it's it's actually quite a different military from 41 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: the sixties too. Now help me understand in designing tools 42 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: and stuff for them and training them how I can 43 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: benefit them better, and gave me a lot of motivation 44 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: as well to help. I buried a lot of guys 45 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: in sixty through Big Tet and you see survivor assistance, 46 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: initial notification of death. You see the consequence of that 47 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: over and over and over. And I was in a 48 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: little base we had that. It was a ninety degree 49 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: duty that I had for nine months, and I finally 50 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: had to go to Jack and just say I can't 51 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: do this anymore. The workload was intense, and it's interesting 52 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: because I can't remember most of it, remember specific things. 53 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: I don't even remember how many people I bury, but 54 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: somewhere probably be seventy hundred or more. So it's it 55 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: really let you know. I mean the warriors. The warrior's gone, 56 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: he's done, he's dead. But the people that are left, 57 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: the cost of them goes their entire lives. It changes 58 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: their lives, and so you recognize that any helpe that 59 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: can be given. In fact, I just had a long 60 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: conversation with the gentleman that it got a hold of 61 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: me who I had trained, who was special operations. One 62 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: of those special guys, and I wanted to thank me 63 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: because stuff that I'd taught him saved his life several 64 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: times down range. He was saying, well, you know, thanks 65 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like enough, and I said, there's nothing better 66 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: I could have than just knowing that you're safe because 67 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: of that, and you got home in something besides the 68 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: flag direct ca And so all of this teaching designing tools, etcetera. 69 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: Is very personal for me. It's not an ego thing 70 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: about doing my knives look cooler or anything like that. 71 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: It's are they going to work in the most extreme 72 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: of situations when life and death is on the line. 73 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: So my original knife, the Hasatsu, was designing that. I 74 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: went back and looked at Japanese history because I have 75 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: a a long background in martial arts that started I 76 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: don't count going to Catholic school with the Irish and 77 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: the fifties, but I learned a lot there. But at 78 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: the arts for sixty plus years of almost every kind, 79 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: and the last forty has been concentrated more into classical 80 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: summer I code to you, which means like old method 81 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: or old way. The vast majority of what we call 82 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: martial arts are not martial in the classical sense of 83 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: the term Mars was the god of war. Wars about 84 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: killing people and break and ship. It's done with tools, 85 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: art's ability due to your opponent without doing it back 86 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: to you. And when you don't do the art of it, 87 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: the battle of the zone pick it's charge up some. 88 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: I mean you could, we could go on and on 89 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: and on. Right. When you don't do that, no art 90 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: in it, there's just freaking carnage. So when you have 91 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: back and forth exchanges of force, m m A and karate. 92 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: Not that these things are bad, by the way, I'm not. 93 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: I did almost all of this stuff and I learned 94 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: a lot from it. We just need to understand if 95 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: you're studying something, what was it designed for? J J 96 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: which is basically Japanese judo. Katami waza from Japanese judo 97 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: is a really fun sport. I had my boys do it. 98 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: I've still want son that's still involved my grandchildren doing. 99 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: It's a nice base, but it's the root of a tree, 100 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: not never designed for war, and really not well adapted 101 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: to street stuff or anything else. When you're looking at 102 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: the arts that were used for war, they're completely different, 103 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: so much different that it's hard to describe in a sense, 104 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: it's easier to feel no contesting for space. In our 105 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: sword system, we don't even have blocks. We don't block punches, 106 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: we don't block swords, we don't block all kinds of things. 107 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: There's a cou concept called coal etai and it means 108 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: attack and defense as a single motion. And there's several 109 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: of these fundamental principles, and one of the foundations of 110 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: all of this is deception and not fakes or fence, 111 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: because those don't have integrity they can be perceived easily, 112 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: but literally methods of moving and stuff that you could 113 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: tell a person what you would do, and yet when 114 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: you move and they have to go to deep programming, 115 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: they can't see it. And and the human mind is 116 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: programmed in particular way so that no conscious thought is 117 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: needed to like walk or stand up, or go up 118 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: and downstairs or do all kinds of things. We be 119 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: overwhelmed if our conscious mind had to do that. And 120 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: so you're literally going in and reprogramming. Which was interesting 121 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: to me because I had to give up something that 122 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: I had worked really really hard for. I'd spent a 123 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: huge part of my life getting on top of an 124 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: alpha male food chain, and my kick boxing and stuff 125 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: in the seventies and we actually could do takedowns and 126 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: stuff was a little bit different. I was trained much 127 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: differently than the full contract roy stuff at the time, 128 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: and I actually had to give up that programming in 129 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: order to do this programming, which is which is interesting. 130 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: But when you look at the very very best that 131 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: we have, they don't contest for space hardly. Ever, it's 132 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: interesting how some of them have come to those same 133 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: basic programming mechanisms in a sense, not all of them, 134 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: but some who have. You know, I'm always interested because 135 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: I'm working with these guys. They're going down range. In 136 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: the last what nineteen years, we've had people who have 137 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: had more experience in combat by orders of magnitude than 138 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: we've ever had before. Ever, there's a huge wealth of 139 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: knowledge there. I'm not optimistic that it's going to go 140 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: up the food chain. However, I'm trying to learn as 141 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: much as I can from them as what I'm teaching, 142 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: because it's a two way street and you need to 143 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: stay a student. You're constantly learning. So when it came 144 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: to time to design a knife, the single most important 145 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: thing for a small knife, and I define small as 146 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: if they can't lop off a limb. It's a small 147 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: life is penetration. And so when I was looking at 148 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: a lot of designs out there, are recognizing that, well, 149 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: you're not going to get penetration out of that, and 150 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: not just penetration of soft parts of the human body, 151 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: but what are people wearing heavy wool and cotton clothing 152 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: in a lot of these countries, maybe military style vest 153 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: where you have to punch through nylon and everything as well, 154 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: and then bones and then whatever you have, because you 155 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: don't always get a perfect toy with these things. So 156 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: I look back in uh in history and found style 157 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: called osakuzukuti. I was looking at what do we need most? 158 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: So penetration is critical. And when you look at a 159 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: lot of shapes and you and you test them out, 160 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: you find that they're not very effective at this except 161 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: and there maybe some ideal conditions, but I'm are not 162 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: very effective at all. So I knew I needed that 163 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: and that shape was was just perfect. It was made 164 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: famous by the mid sixteenth century daimio or warlord Takeda Shingen, 165 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: and so I looked at that and not only did 166 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: it have tremendous penetration, because it's got a very extended point. 167 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: But it also had the ability to slash really well, 168 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: which is secondary, but still it's not that it's not 169 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: important because of the shape of the blade and the 170 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: art that an arm makes when you're slashing, and so 171 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: the two went together. So well, you shouldn't surprise anybody 172 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: because that was a sword culture for a really long 173 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: period of time into actually the modern era. When Admiral 174 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: Perry's ships, you know, went into Tokyo Bay in the 175 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: eighteen fifties, it was still a feudal society. So I 176 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: looked at that. I looked at handle shape to be 177 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: a neutral handle, because how are you going to hold 178 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: a knife? Well, I don't know yet. People say, well, 179 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: what are you going to do if this or that happens? 180 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: I go, I don't know, and they're like, well, you're 181 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: supposed to be the expert. I said, well, I don't 182 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: want to know. I'm listening to the problem. Right, Every 183 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: problem in the universe has inherent in the problem the solution. 184 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: When I bring my style, my anger, my aggression, my 185 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: subjectivity to the fight, I'm not looking at clearly at 186 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: what's actually happening. And there's a couple of concepts in cody. 187 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: One is called motion, which means no mind, but it 188 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: means like no thinking conscious mind. So that includes your fears, 189 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: your biases, your political ship, all of that subjective app 190 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: has got to be gone here. And another aspect is 191 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: misu no cold. Mesu means water and jakokoto is like 192 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: it's it's it's not quite soul in a sense, but 193 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: it's like mind spirit essence. And if you think about water, 194 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: if it's ruffled by wind or dropping the pebble in it, 195 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: you look at it, you can't clearly, it doesn't clearly reflect. 196 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: If it's absolutely calm, it clearly reflects. So you want 197 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: a mind like a mirror. I want to remove myself 198 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: from the equation. I want all the information about what's 199 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: happening to come into me, unbiased, objective as it can be, 200 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: and then the solution is going to be apparent in 201 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: that problem, and all I have to do is implement 202 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: the solution. So getting jacked up and all of this 203 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: stuff before a fight is a fear based mechanism. It 204 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: doesn't make you run and scared, but it makes you 205 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: very subjective in the process. And it doesn't it's not 206 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: the highest level of human function. And another aspect is 207 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: no normal physical strength, no contract or muscle strength, which 208 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: is very counterintuitive, but it's primarily counterintuitive because our normal 209 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: outlook is fear based. And again I go back to 210 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: being very successful. I climbed my way to the top 211 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: of an alpha male food chain um which eventually, as 212 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: I looked around, I realized, I don't even like after 213 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: these people. Mean, we had Hell's Angels, we had guys prison, 214 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,599 Speaker 1: we had some hard guys, and I'm like, man, I 215 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: don't like most of these people. What am I doing here? Right? 216 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: This is a complete hundred and eighty degrees from what 217 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: made me successful. There if success could actually be beating 218 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: a people up his ex success, And I'm not sure. 219 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: I haven't had to scratch the itch, but I don't 220 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: know if that all that success or not? Right? And 221 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: I was, and I was telling you earlier stuff I was. 222 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: I could count the number of teeth I had to 223 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: replace in the couple that I haven't, but I don't 224 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: know how many brain cells I lost in the process. 225 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: HOWE these conditions so that no mind and no muscle. 226 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna define a few words, how how we 227 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: define them in nomine? So normal is a fear based construct, 228 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: and that's how plus percent of the population makes their 229 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: decisions based on normal, because that's the only paradigm they have. Now, 230 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: some of those fears are rational fears, but a huge 231 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: number of those fears, as we conceive from the current 232 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, insanity, are subjective inner fears that cause reactions 233 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: and in people they're not acting, they're reacting, and they 234 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: get played by that. They get played by politicians, they 235 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: get played for the press, which has nothing to do 236 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: with news and information or nothing to do with the information. 237 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: So you have to actually have a methodology for training 238 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: for what we call normal, which in our words this 239 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: means faith based and I'm not talking about religious those 240 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: are belief systems. That's a different thing. So hence, you 241 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: know the need to define words when we talk about them, 242 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: and simple things like we depend on gravity for everything, 243 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: but nobody thinks about it and worries about it. Oxygen 244 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: transfers the single most important thing that happens in an 245 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: individual to keep them alive. But I haven't found anybody 246 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: yet that lays awake in the middle of the night 247 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: wondering if I take the next breath, is oxygen transfer 248 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: going to take place, so about that would be pretty weird. 249 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: So that was one of my chief fears, honestly, Yes, 250 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: And so when I talk about that's what we're talking about. 251 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: What you find is what I find personally is the 252 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: lastic James does, the better the solutions come. And that 253 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: includes solutions that may be what people would call violent 254 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: solutions and literally learning how to access your physiology differently, 255 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: Like I'll sit and face somebody and I'll move my 256 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: right scapula up, but you can't see any motion in 257 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: me because only one muscle debater or scapula moves that. 258 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: And if you can isolate it, it'll pull the scapule 259 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: up and somebody behind me can feel it or pull 260 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: them into the center. Will by flexing the rhomboids minor 261 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: and major, you know, actually starting to go in and 262 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: turn off all of the unnecessary muscle flections that come 263 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: from the fight flight. I had an interesting couple of 264 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: discussions with Dr Dan Siegel a few years ago at 265 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: Slin Institute and Big Sir, he's one of the leading neuroscientists, 266 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: really a really interesting guy. And at one point we're 267 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: walking back to lunch from from the lecture hall, and 268 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: I said, you know, Doc, your survival instinct will get 269 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: you killed, and he goes, well, it's there for a reason. Yeah, 270 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: survival of the species, not for survival of the individual. Right, 271 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: And you can see this in Africa. It's really easy 272 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: to watch the herd instincts for survival of the species. 273 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: The individual is sacrificed in the process. Okay, well, if 274 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: we're going to be more than that, and then you 275 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: have to take responsibility. There's a big word for everything, 276 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: your gender, your height, whether you have good eyes or 277 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: bad eyes, your age, all kinds. You have to take 278 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: personal responsibility for everything in your life if you're going 279 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: to be able to develop and actually change that fundamental programming. 280 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: And so there's a method for that. And the old 281 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: Cody was a method for that. It's mostly gone. And 282 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,719 Speaker 1: I would say even in Japan, I don't know how 283 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: much of this exists anymore. Their society has radically changed. 284 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: You need some violence, I think too, right, because it's 285 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: the things that said, can you do this in extremists 286 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: or is it something you end up doing in the 287 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: dojo with a bunch of people that cooperate with you. 288 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: The great thing is because I travel and teach a 289 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: lot there's always at least one or two people out 290 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: of a vested interest in my failure when I'm demonstrating 291 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: techniques or are doing this, so I get to go 292 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: out against people in that sense of the term. Now 293 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: I've had other situations as well, but still I'm in 294 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: my seventies and I still work with the very best 295 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: that we have, and I have to make this work 296 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: on them, even when they're contesting with me and trying 297 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: not to have it work, because we both need to 298 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: know is this going to work better or not? Because 299 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: if it's not, I'm gonna sit down and shut the 300 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: funk up. There's much for this, right. The worst thing 301 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: that could be is somebody coming back, yeah, that you 302 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: taught us or got a couple of our guys killed. 303 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: Fuck right. I can't have that, So I'm very careful 304 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: with I have to know it works better. Had a 305 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: situation a few years ago with a group that wanted 306 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: to do scenario training. We went out by we went 307 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,239 Speaker 1: out to another part of the range and they had 308 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: an SUV and they were showing me, you know, this 309 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: is scenario by route, middle of the street, middle of 310 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: the day. We're blocking the guy in front, back two 311 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: guys out on the driver's side, one down the pastor's 312 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: side to keep from getting a weapon. You know, we'll 313 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: reach the window with a couple rounds of nine if 314 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: we need to. It's taken us about ninety seconds to 315 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: get the guy at the car. We're getting we're getting 316 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: scratched up and cut up a little bit on the glass. 317 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: In environments like that, people are starting to collapse on 318 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: us after about forty five or fifty seconds, which complicates 319 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: the problem. And they asked me, well, how would you 320 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: do that? So I got the guy out of the 321 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: car by myself in fifteen seconds. The reason is the 322 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: solution orientation and how I look at those things is 323 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: really different. The great thing. But that group is there 324 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: and enormously fast learners. A few years later, we had 325 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: another group in I'm not going to mention their name, 326 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: and it was taking them even longer because they were 327 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: dominating a situation by striking the guy first and all 328 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: of this, and they end up with a big fight 329 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: and it took them two minutes to get him out. 330 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: And I took couple of these people group aside and 331 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: spent ten minutes showing them how to do it. In 332 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: seventeen seconds they had the guy out of the car. 333 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: It's just a completely different way of looking at solutions 334 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: where fighting doesn't come into play. Fighting by definition, is 335 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: an inefficient solution to problems. And I always ask guys, 336 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: you know, especially married guys. So how many guys are married? 337 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: Hands go up, I said, how well does fighting work 338 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: at home? Doesn't work at all? Right, even if you 339 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: are opponent, like my former wife is literally happier size, right, 340 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: I mean happier weight in the foot, shorter, it still 341 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: doesn't work. Why would we look at that as a 342 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: solution to problems, right, because it doesn't work right, it 343 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: creates more problems. So this is something that virtually has 344 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: to be felt. I have to demonstrate. I've got plenty 345 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: of videos up when my system is threading YouTube channel stuff. However, 346 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: what you see in what I'm doing are not the 347 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: same things. It's designed so that you actually can't see it. 348 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: It's designed to look like something that you already have 349 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: a paradigm for, you're already programmed for. And it's not 350 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: that when I used to go down to enable special 351 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: warfare San Diego and work with trade at the most 352 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: common thing I hear is will serve yourself fast like, well, 353 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: it's it's not to come fast. I'm not doing very much. 354 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: So if I could start at the line in who 355 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: Saint bolt Stead it started a hundred and still have 356 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: a shot at winning. If I started at sixty, probably 357 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: not right. So if I do a lot less, it 358 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: takes less time, and it seems like it's faster. But 359 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: it's just that I'm not doing very much. And then 360 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: what you're seeing and what I'm doing are not the 361 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: same things. So when you move and all of a 362 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: sudden you have a knife at your throat, it seems 363 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: like it happened almost instantaneously. That, of course, doesn't help 364 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: them a lot other than the fact that they can 365 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: know that I do it. But I'm trying to take 366 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: them down a path that as they continue to look 367 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: at it, they can start taking less time and being 368 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: us obvious, shall we say, And since you asked the 369 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: Stubb roast, I look at this as because you're trying 370 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: to make You're trying to make an analogy so people 371 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: can have a way of taking a look at this. 372 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: Tens of millenniu go our ancestors saw a log floating 373 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: on a lake, and they pushed on, it had positive 374 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: buoyancy and when they laid on it, it held them 375 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: up and you could put your spear in your addleaddle 376 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: and paddle across the lake instead of walking around it. 377 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: You could kill something, put it on and come back. Okay, 378 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: you know, you come all the way into the modern 379 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: And when my brother was living in Pacific Beach, he 380 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: had a twenty ft Hawaiian race. You can do that 381 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: weigh like thirty pounds because it's carbon fiber and kevlar. 382 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: I could put that thing on my shoulder and walk 383 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: to blocks to the beach and get in and I 384 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: mean enormously more access much faster than the log and 385 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: the hand paddle. But you're still accessing the universe law 386 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: the same way. It's still meant is determined by my physicality, 387 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: my strength, how much food water I can take in 388 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: for how long and all of that. Also, who know 389 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: is how long ago somebody felt this really strong wind. 390 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: I always say maybe in northern Scotland where you can 391 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: lean into the wind at like fifty degrees and it 392 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: holds you up. And they held up an animal skin 393 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: and they sat on that log, and all of a 394 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: sudden the log moved without them doing any physical effort. 395 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: And so like sailing, sailing is the process of recognizing 396 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: an invisible force by its effects and shaping the boat 397 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: and the sail and the point of sale in accordance 398 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: with that. And the better you can do that, the 399 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: more you know, the more you get from it, the 400 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: better boat speed, the better everything. If you see a lift, 401 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: the water is darkling in a bit. You can see 402 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: a lift, you know it's going to change, you can 403 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: prepare for that. You don't see the wind. Ever. So 404 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: what I'm starting with this kinetic energy without muscle flexion. 405 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I wait two d and fifteen pounds six 406 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: to well not quite six too, But I'm still as 407 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: tall as I was when I was thirty, which is 408 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: a whole another thing altogether. And so I have an 409 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: enormous amount of potential energy and as soon as I move, 410 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: it manifests itself. And one of the things I'll do 411 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: is I'll take one of my ten twenty two pound 412 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: club belts and I'll put it outside. I'll put it on, 413 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: you know, like maybe a board or something undeathaid I'll 414 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: drop that, And I mean the amount of energy when 415 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,959 Speaker 1: that hits the ground is enormous, and yet I can 416 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: let golden touch the ground faster than it gets there. Well, 417 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: I wait, more than twenty two pounds, and I can 418 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: move faster than that thing can move. How come I 419 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: can't take that energy and transfer it? Muscle tension gets 420 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: in the way. Relaxation allows that energy to move through 421 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: your body and you're not emitting in the way of it. Right, 422 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: how do you manage to stay relaxed in a high 423 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: stress situation though? Training? So so yeah, it's yet say 424 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: it's actually that it's training trazing, right, And so that's 425 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: again why I like to talk to some of those guys, 426 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: uh and and find out what's going on with them. 427 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: And I have to be careful with this. So I 428 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,479 Speaker 1: was just back for a ceremony for an award. One 429 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: of the guys I've known well for a long time 430 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: stayed his house and stuff, and a situation took place 431 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: down range and he breached a gate coming through three guys. 432 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: A k s up on him and he said, yes, sir, 433 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: I knew I was dead right, but it didn't matter. 434 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: So in less than three seconds, he fired twenty four rounds, 435 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: eight rounds per guy. All the rounds hit including a 436 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: slight hesitation because the guy slipped behind some one of 437 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: the guys slew behind some women and children. You can't 438 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: do that with your conscious mind. And what he had 439 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: forgotten to tell me or hadn't hadn't taught me because 440 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: of his own personal character and humility, as he'd been 441 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: fried twice outside the gate before that and had to 442 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: sit down not too long thereafter. And one of the 443 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: guy that was telling the story said, he said, yeah, 444 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: I'm feeling faint, and and the guy who's telling the 445 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: story at the ceremony goes, well, probably the hyde grate, 446 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: And he goes, no, I think it's loss of blood. 447 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: Right when I first beat him, he couldn't even train 448 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: with us because he was still recovering. Right. That's the 449 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: type of thing in a sense, you can't think that 450 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: he says yes, or I can still tell you where 451 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: every round hit. You can't consciously think that. So you 452 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: train to let go into a state, right, And you 453 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: have to be able to do that if you're going 454 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: to work at the highest level. So some quotes from history, 455 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: one is fear makes men forget, and skill which cannot 456 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: fight is useless. Pricies of Sparta, you know that's how 457 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: their training went way, you know, from from the classical Sumurai. 458 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: You know the way of the warriors, resolute acceptance of death. 459 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: So you accept the situation. You can't be thinking of 460 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: the fears, and you can't be all of those things. 461 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: You just accept this as the deal. Just like if 462 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: you're sailing in the storm, is fear going to help you? 463 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: The ocean is a scary play. I spent a lot 464 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: of time in the ocean. It can be a really 465 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: scary place. And all you can do under those circumstances 466 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: is get out of yourself and get connected to what's happening. 467 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: Feel that boat, trim those sails, look at the point 468 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: of sale, what's happening. How is the wind doing? You know, 469 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,239 Speaker 1: you know what's the what's the ocean like? I mean, 470 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: how steep are the waves? Don't be a land lover 471 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: and get close to shore. You see that thing from 472 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: Thirteenth Warrior, well, where they're in the storm. That was 473 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: actually one of the better parts. The guy that was 474 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: playing in the air of Antonio Barreras of Vanderis goes, 475 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: shouldn't we be closer to land? And the Viking laughs 476 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: and go this is no day to be close to land. Boy, 477 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: you have to know that you want deep water in 478 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 1: a storm. The deeper the better. The shallow water changes 479 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: the shape of the waves on the surface that makes 480 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: it sor together and steeper. So you have to know 481 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: that and relax into those things. So people do this 482 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: in other ways as well. Okay, it's just more difficult 483 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: when you're in a situation of life and death. But 484 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: that's what you train for at the highest level, So 485 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: in the old ways, that's what you're training for. One 486 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: of the things I'll do when I'm with a new 487 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: group is, uh, I'll take an eight and a half 488 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: eleven piece of paper and I'll hold it up and 489 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: I take one of my swords and I cut it. 490 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,479 Speaker 1: Just just whispers you the paper and I look out, 491 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: who's tough. I never get anybody saying they're tough. They 492 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: recognize the sword is going to go right through you. 493 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: And then I point at the edge and I go, 494 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: Betty tasst. This is the truth. If you're going to 495 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: study a martial art in the classical sins, you first 496 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: have to define the tool and the situation. Toughness doesn't 497 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: help here, right, You're not tough enough to take bullets 498 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: or bombs or all the other things in a combat 499 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: zone that are that are bad for you. You can 500 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: be persevering, right, you can be determined. Toughness is not 501 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: one of those things when it comes to that, because 502 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: the human body just and that tough. So now we're 503 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: training for the environment by thinking, Okay, I'm not going 504 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: to be able to take a sword cut and survive. 505 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: The chances are how do I get through this? I 506 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: tell people when when people say they're teaching knife courses, 507 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: we'll expect to get cut in a knife fight. I go, well, 508 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: do you expect to get cut in a gunfight? I mean, 509 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: people get shot in gun fights, But do you go 510 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: into it expecting to get shot? I said, Is that 511 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: how you would train expect to get shot? No, you 512 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: don't train like that. Why would you do that with 513 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: the knife? If you're fighting with the knife, like some 514 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: of these guys I'm seeing back and forth, you can 515 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: be killing each other or not know it. Speaking from 516 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: personal experience, you probably won't even know your cut most 517 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: of the time in a fight with a knife, and 518 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,239 Speaker 1: I'm not so some of this I learned from being 519 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: really stupid and for some reason surviving it, So why 520 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: would you do that. You could actually be mortally wounded 521 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: still in the fight but not know it yet. That's 522 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: really bad, right, Yeah, that's scourging, is what it is. 523 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: So when you take a look from their perspective, and 524 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: another thing that was looked at is oh too nashi 525 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: no kachi, and that basically means silent victory, no touching 526 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: of swords, no clashing of blades, which goes with the 527 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: Kobali tie attack and offense as a single movement, not 528 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: a block and encounter and stuff that's taught in so 529 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: many of these things. So this was fundamental to really 530 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: high level coue you, which was not most of what 531 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: people learned. Everybody's skill level was higher because you had 532 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: to be just for survival. But again, it's like being 533 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: a faster paddler because you train all the time. That's 534 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: still not being a sailor in that sense of the term. 535 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: How sustainable is that mentality of the mentality of going 536 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: to war without any regard for your physical safety. I'm 537 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: saying there's acceptance of the environment you're in. It's just acceptance. 538 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: It's not that you don't do all the smart things 539 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: you should have trained things in already right like I 540 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: shoot right handed, left handed, right, I left eye because 541 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to go a right handed corner with 542 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: with with the gun in my left hand, or or 543 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: vice versa and using the other you know, So my 544 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: eyes don't like that. But I work every day to 545 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: make sure if I pick a pistol up in my 546 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: left hand, it comes to my left eye. If I 547 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: pick it up my right hand, it comes to my 548 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: right eye. So you train these things over and over. 549 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: This is what you do so that in the moment 550 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: you've already done all the stuff that you can do 551 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: about the life and death part. And Paul House, a 552 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: personal friend, only years ago, the best delta operator I 553 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: ever knew was killed by an unsided a K in 554 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: the Battle of the Black Sea and Somalia. Right, once 555 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: you get in a position where you get dragged behind 556 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: the curve, which is basically what happened there. They couldn't 557 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: stay that step ahead because of lots of factors. Right, well, now, 558 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do, but I mean, stuff comes out. 559 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: That's what happens, right the whole biking your fate. Your 560 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: fate is what it is. So and that was another 561 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: way of recognizing that just you have to let go 562 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: of the fear of life and death in the moment. 563 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: Does it? Is it possible? Absolutely, But you can't have 564 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: that in your head. If you have that in your head, 565 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: you kept function properly. So you train for that. That's 566 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: what you train for. Hey, um, since A and Star Wars, 567 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: there's I think I have a real dumb down version 568 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: of the philosophy that you're talking about right now. And 569 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: the example comes from and I think a lot of 570 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: people can relate to it, but from the series Band 571 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: of Brothers. There was a scene where I think the 572 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: guy was Lieutenant Spear was talking to Okay, private Blythe 573 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: how Private Blythe was asking. I was like, you know, 574 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: how do you how do you cope? How do you 575 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: handle it? How do you handle your fear? How do 576 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: you get through this this situation? And Spears said, hey, 577 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: you know, Blythe, if you can just accept the fact 578 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: that you already dead, everything will be just fine. And 579 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: this was a thing that has been echoed throughout ancient 580 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: warrior cultures is acceptance of death. Yeah, this is the deal. 581 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: I mean, every person needs that to a point because 582 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: none of us know, right, it could be anything you 583 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: just don't know. You could be doing the most dangerous 584 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: job and get killed walking across the street, or have 585 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: a drunk driver jump the curb, or any number of things. 586 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: So it's not that you don't recognize the danger. I mean, 587 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: listen as as as my son, the doctor says. He says, 588 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: life is a sexually transmitted, uniformally fatal disease. We're all 589 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: going to die here. What you want is to die 590 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: the best way you can. For the warrior especially, but 591 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: for any person, die the best way you can die 592 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: in service to others. Die doing something you know that's 593 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: helping somebody else. Once you start contracting into your own fears, well, 594 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: a few years ago in California, woman recognized that I 595 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: was concealed carry and she was freaking out, that makes 596 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: me so afraid. What are you so afraid of having 597 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: to carry that? And I go, we know what I'm 598 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: afraid of is I'm afraid that something could happen and 599 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: I might not be able to help. I said, what 600 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: you're afraid of is you're afraid of being afraid. That's 601 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: a whole different thing. I'm carrying a tool because I 602 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: have the experience, the training and the willingness like the 603 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: gentleman in the prime of his life in that church 604 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: in Texas, to solve a problem if it comes about, 605 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: and problems come I just traveled back and through Europe. 606 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: Every single European airport I got pulled aside from my bag. 607 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 1: I'm just like, yep, that's me. So because I've got 608 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: turning gets in he stats and chest seals and you know, 609 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: I carry stuff with me, right, because you never know, 610 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: and and and jo you know this absolutely as well. 611 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: You never know, and stuff like this is going to happen. 612 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: The only thing you can be sure of it is 613 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: the day you're not prepared death and the ship goes down. 614 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: It's just I mean, it's like universe law, right, So 615 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: what do you do? You're prepared all the time. So 616 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: I didn't get anything taken. I was able to explain 617 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: to people over time, you know, what's this? What's that 618 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: you know? Blah blah blah. Why are you medic or 619 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: a doctor? I don't know, but I've had some training 620 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: and I know how to use what I have to 621 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: be able to help somebody if something happened. Right, So 622 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 1: this is just what you do for your daily life, 623 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: and that brief gift goes with me everywhere, right, goes 624 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: with me in my car. I have, of course more 625 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: medical stuff in my car. A briefcase goes with me everywhere. 626 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: And I've got lots of things, including a life straw 627 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 1: which I saw software was putting up. Carry a lifestra. 628 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: I carry a life straw with me everywhere, because if 629 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: you've been in some of these places, you know that 630 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 1: that water will put you down as fast as almost anything, 631 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: and it's a miserable experience. So I carry a life Yeah. 632 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,439 Speaker 1: And you know, since say I I follow that philosophy. Okay, 633 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: I'm a photographer. You know, I'm a shoot, big time shooter, 634 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: and I always have a camera when I leave the house. 635 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: I just never leave it behind. And people ask me, 636 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: you know why I carry it so often, and I say, hey, 637 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 1: you know, the day I leave my camera at home 638 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: is the day I'm going to see a unicorn. I 639 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: know it'll be the best one moment of shot that 640 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: will never repeat itself. And it's a pain in the 641 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: butt to carry the camera all the time. However, so 642 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,800 Speaker 1: what right, right? You're right? So what is right? So? 643 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,959 Speaker 1: But so it's a pain the butt. So what people 644 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: think you see doesn't make you feel I said, no, actually, 645 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: it's a pain in the buttet. Okay, right, since we 646 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: know that you design blades. Okay, you're not necessarily a 647 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: Mr Smith by hand, but you design blades. And who 648 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: who is it that comes to you asking for specific 649 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: blade design? I mean, do they just tell you what 650 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: what they do and you design a blade for them 651 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 1: or that? Actually? Yes, generally yes. The his satsu was 652 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: because of an article I wrote, the truth about Tonto 653 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: in the nineties. Because we're seeing points and stuff like 654 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: the American Tonto point didn't exist in Japan. It doesn't 655 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: penetrate well, it separates a small cutting edge, it does 656 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. So so when I'm looking at there, 657 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: I was looking at blade shape. Actually got some I 658 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: got some flat for the article, and I thought, you know, 659 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: and my mail speaking here, I'm like, fuck you. I 660 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,879 Speaker 1: buried a lot of guys. I've got sons. What would 661 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to carry? What can an oh three eleven eleven, bravo? 662 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: What can they carry? Right? Because it can't be a 663 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: three or four hundred dollar knife. For those guys that 664 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 1: can't carry that kind of stuff and they don't need 665 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,439 Speaker 1: it right, you don't need super steel. So that's where 666 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: I started looking and came up with with the satsu, 667 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: and then it worked from there and then I got 668 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: a request out of SOCOM for deep concealment folder and 669 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: that became the Otanashi. Had had some guidelines and that 670 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: knife has probably been in more people downrange than any 671 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: other knife almost period because actually do that otanashi, which 672 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: is a four and a half inch folder in that 673 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,399 Speaker 1: Osa Rocks recority design, and then you know, I made 674 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,839 Speaker 1: a smaller version of that. So and then I've had 675 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: some other very specific requests out of units for particular knives. 676 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: Most of the time they trust me with you know, 677 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: this is what this is what we're going to use, 678 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: this is why. So the Williams blade design started with 679 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: that from requests, specific requests, and I try to match 680 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: it to the task at hand. Like we just did 681 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 1: a double edge dagger, not a huge double edged ban 682 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: Actually I like a single edge for lots of reasons. However, 683 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 1: this group needed what they needed. Um So you know, 684 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time working on what all 685 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: do you need if you have two parallel of edges 686 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: that won't cut very well and It's not that you're 687 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: gonna slash with us so much, but there's there's entry 688 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: points where you want the blade. A little bit of 689 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: angle will facilitate sliding through there to get maximum tissue 690 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: deformity to facilitate hemorrhaging. That's a kind way of cutting 691 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 1: the ship out of people. So so you know, I 692 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: took I took a look into history and handles, guards 693 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: and stuff get in the way and they're not necessary 694 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,919 Speaker 1: if you hold it what but properly and it's designed well, 695 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: they get caught on stuff, all of these things. But 696 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: you know, for me, a double edged dagger wouldn't be 697 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: a direct action. You know, door kicking type of knife 698 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,720 Speaker 1: would be a different type of knife for a different 699 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: type of tasking. It's like people say, well, what's the 700 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: best knife steal and I go, well, there isn't the 701 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: best knife. What are you going to do with the 702 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,919 Speaker 1: knife if it's going or I'm not concerned with edge holding, 703 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: I'm concerned with toughness. Right, if the shape is properly, 704 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: you'll still punch it down to the handle even if 705 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: you couldn't cut yourself with it. But if it breaks, well, 706 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: as they say in Ireland, you're fucked. I grow with 707 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 1: the Irish. Yeah, if I'm doing it something else, maybe 708 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: like I heard deal flipping a particular knife that I 709 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: recognized the sound or something else really well, yeah, you're correct, 710 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: So that knife holds an edge really well. In fact, 711 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: one of my tough students skinned out to orcs, which 712 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 1: are an African anelope about the side is a big 713 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: mule gear and and uh skinned out two orcs with 714 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 1: just having to touch it up a little in between. 715 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: And it was interesting because one of his buddies there 716 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: is a former dev gu guy. When they pulled the 717 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 1: folder at he what do you do with that? They 718 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,839 Speaker 1: had to sharpened the night four times on the one 719 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 1: that they did, jay Row only had had to sharpen, 720 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: just basically touch it up in between. Because M three 721 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: night steel holds an edge really really well. It's one 722 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: of the new supersteels. Now, I wouldn't put that on 723 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: a night going to war, right, because you everything is 724 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 1: a compromise in this universe. It's one of the things 725 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 1: we learned from observation and everything. If it's really really 726 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: high edge holding, it's going to be more brittle. That's 727 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: what you get. That's just how it works, and so 728 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 1: you're you're taking and designing, you know, the steel and 729 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 1: the shape to the task at hand. Same with the handles. 730 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: We're not dueling with people with knives like that. They 731 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: shouldn't even see it if you're trained, if I'm training you, 732 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: they shouldn't see the night before it actually feel it 733 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: before they see it. And you have spent I'm with 734 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 1: that as well. And and unfortunately guys sometimes spend a 735 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: lot more time with one than the other. But but 736 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: most of the time they do because the shooting is 737 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,360 Speaker 1: more important most of the time. But when it's not, 738 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: you want to have to spend enough time to understand 739 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: that other way of application as well. I want to 740 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,399 Speaker 1: handle where I can hold a knife, however, I want 741 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: to point out point back, edge up, edge down, you know, 742 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 1: I want to be able to push on the back 743 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 1: of it, maybe even with my body, so I don't 744 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 1: want spikes and stuff off the back end of the handle. 745 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: You know, I could be up close and we could 746 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: be engaged. Maybe the only thing I can do is 747 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: push my chest into the back of the knife to 748 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: make it penetrate or something like that, or maybe hit 749 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 1: the back of the knife with my hand in order 750 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,479 Speaker 1: to overcome the fact that the guy's grabbing it. Learned 751 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:42,800 Speaker 1: a moment here and I need a little bit of 752 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: something to push that blade through what I want to 753 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: get it through. You have to think about all the 754 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 1: variables instead of I'd like to fight with it this 755 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: way or I like to fight It doesn't matter what 756 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 1: I like, all right, It's not about me. It's about 757 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: the situation and what solution is being presented by the problem. 758 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: And you can see in this last nineteen years, without 759 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: defining the problem accurately, what are we doing with all 760 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: of this thing over nineteen years? Where's the strategy? I 761 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,799 Speaker 1: can't see a strategy. And my study is actually fundamentally 762 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: the study of strategy. And you don't see a strategy 763 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan and Iraq, in Syria, I see a lot 764 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 1: of reactions, and I see some things people want to accomplish, 765 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: but the lack of understanding of the cultures and all 766 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: of the vast things there that people don't understand how 767 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,399 Speaker 1: complicated those areas are in every way, shape and form. 768 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,760 Speaker 1: They're ethnically the religious complication, there's there's you know, linguistic complica. 769 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 1: There's everything happening in these regions and without understanding that, 770 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 1: you can't just tread in there and think you're going 771 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:55,400 Speaker 1: to you know, apply solutions blanket, which obviously hasn't worked, right. 772 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you can look at that scoreboard, you know, 773 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: send say the last time. You already know that I 774 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: carry a nose zaraku zukuri folder, but I also have 775 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: you know, the fixed prime blade as well, same blade, 776 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: same length, three and a half inches. My son was 777 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,200 Speaker 1: three and a half four and a half, which one 778 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,839 Speaker 1: three and a half, okay, all right? And my son 779 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,320 Speaker 1: was here with me, and you know, I had a 780 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,880 Speaker 1: parcel delivered that day, you know, typical hefty plastic with 781 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 1: bubble lining on the inside. And he started tugging at it, 782 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 1: and I pulled out the zookuri, flipped it open and 783 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 1: turned it around and said, here, use this, and so 784 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: we he was the thing that the whole top of 785 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 1: it off, and then he just stood there and he 786 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: looked at him and he said, Dad, I didn't feel 787 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,440 Speaker 1: a thing. And I thought that was a pretty good 788 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:49,799 Speaker 1: testament to how efficient these blades are. Man. Excellent. Yeah, 789 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: if you have boys and girls. I have girls, and 790 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: my granddaughter daughter carries she carries one of your blades 791 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: as well. I mean, and when you think about it, 792 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,800 Speaker 1: in my paradigm, knife is not the best personal defense tool. However, 793 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 1: they do lots of things. I've had to cut a 794 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 1: person out of a seatbelt when they're you know, when 795 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 1: when their vehicle overturned. You have cut an open, open 796 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 1: a pant's leg up, decide what happened here? Do you 797 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 1: need to turn a kid? Can we do it with pressure? 798 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: Every antilo? Do I need to open a package? Right? 799 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: It's a fundamental tool of human beings that goes so 800 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,919 Speaker 1: far back in history we can't even look that far back, right, Yeah, 801 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean it was I remember when I 802 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: was like six and my my grandfa looks at me 803 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: and he goes, boy, a man needs a knife. Yeah, 804 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 1: thinking about self defense. And in those days, we had folders, 805 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: you know, nothing locked, right, We just had you know, 806 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 1: we had we had just these little uh pocket folders 807 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: and jack Knight's we called them. One of the things 808 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,439 Speaker 1: we used to practice of when I got a little 809 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: bit older was since you have a knighte that's going 810 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: to close on your hand, you put your fau blade 811 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,360 Speaker 1: right in front of you know, when it opened, and 812 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 1: then your thumb there, and you practice only moving a 813 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: particular way with the knives of wind full back on 814 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:13,359 Speaker 1: your hand, man, survive some stupidity in my life. I'm 815 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:18,880 Speaker 1: not true. Why I fear that I insult you with 816 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: my story about opening the parcel? Oh no, not at all. 817 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: All that are used for whatever opening a parcel. I 818 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,280 Speaker 1: use them to open parcels, right yet, problem, not a problem. 819 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,400 Speaker 1: I use them to open parcels. Um and I mean 820 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,840 Speaker 1: it's a it's a tool. Some get more specific and 821 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 1: with some of my knives there's no compromise for their 822 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: intended purpose. But that doesn't mean they can't be used 823 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 1: for other things. I'm just really particular about the kind 824 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: of utility, you know, functions that I'll that I'll use 825 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 1: this knife for. I mean a lot of other knives 826 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 1: that carry I'm trying to trip twist screws off with them, 827 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,759 Speaker 1: you know how I know I'm going to but with 828 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,399 Speaker 1: the got three drivers. Yeah, this is a different story 829 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 1: with this night from real picky about what I'll do 830 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 1: with it? Right right? Well, again, we have to understand 831 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 1: what tool we're using, how and why. Perfect James, thank 832 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,360 Speaker 1: you very much for joining us for these episodes of 833 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:21,359 Speaker 1: Software Radio as well as George Geo My pleasure Man 834 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 1: was unbelievable. It was fantastic. Yeah, thank you guys. And 835 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 1: remembering what you what tiputy Greek, I can remember a fish, tostatus, 836 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:37,440 Speaker 1: I love, I love, I'm jealous. Thank you well. Used 837 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:43,359 Speaker 1: to be owning languages and I do also yeah, used them. 838 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: Listening to self red Radio. New episodes up every Wednesday 839 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,239 Speaker 1: and Friday. Follow the show on Instagram and Twitter at 840 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,360 Speaker 1: self rep Radio