1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg surveillance. You can think of cash as 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: effectively a very very short duration asset. The problem is, 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: right now, it's not very attractive. What change does the 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: US need more than anything else economically? I would argue, 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: catch me for a pretty poor way to judge the 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: strength or lack thereof, of a once vibrant American economy 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: and say we're doing better in Japan or Europe, which 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: are not growing at all. Bloomberg Surveillance your link to 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: the world of economics, finance, and investment on Bloomberg Radio. 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: Good Morning, and Michael McKee along with Tom Keane. It 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: is seven am on Wall Street noon in Brussels, where 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: there are reports police have now captured the suspected mastermind 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: of yesterday's bombings. Bloomberg's Caroline Conten joins us now from 14 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: the Belgian capital. Carolen, what can you tell us? This 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: is interesting because these suspect that has been quotes, according 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: to the Belgian media, draw the clear link between the 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: Brussels attacks and the Parents attacks back in November. So 18 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: his name is Najim Lashkawe is twenty four years old. 19 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: He is believed to have traveled to tier Ya in 20 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: early twenty thirteen, and he is also believed to be 21 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: a closed accomplish to seller up this plan. The only 22 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: surviving terrorists of the Paris attacks who was arrested Jim 23 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: Brussels last Friday. We do understand from media reports that 24 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: the Belgian police were aware of these three gentlemen. Yes 25 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: and last yesterday afternoon, the Belgian police actually posted the 26 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: picture of Najim lash Kawe. He was seen at the 27 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: airport pushing a luggage carver and a hat and glasses 28 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: with a white jacket next to two men who believed 29 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: to be the al backed carib robbers who supposedly blew 30 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: themselves up at the airport. Now Najim Lashawi has been 31 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: uh the This has been looking for him since November thirteen, 32 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: stein the dressful attacks in Paris because he was believed 33 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: to be in connection with Salad this Lamb. His DNA 34 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,839 Speaker 1: was found on some of the explosives that were used 35 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: at the battackcount Concept venue on November thirteen, and he 36 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: was also seen at the border with between Austria and 37 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: Hungary last September before the parents attacks in a car. 38 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: We've sell this lamp o call and just before we 39 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: let you go. I know they've just finished a moment 40 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: of silence in Brussels for the victims of the attacks. 41 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: What is it like there today? Is life getting back 42 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: to normalist transportation up and running. So the metro lines 43 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: are not all running, especially the ones around where I'm 44 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: standing right at the European Institutions. Uh, this is where 45 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: the metro station now. Because hit around nine am local 46 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: time Brussels time yesterday morning. This metro line remains shut. 47 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: Some other lines have reopened. The U S services have 48 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: started to run again to London or Amsterdam. The Brussels Airport, 49 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: of course, remain shut for now. I can see right 50 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: now some helicopters flying over the European Quarter where you 51 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: have the EU Commission and the U Control where the 52 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: U leaders frequently meet like they did last Friday for 53 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: the refugee crisis. There is a heavy police presence around 54 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: the Commission. There is no specific security parameter except around 55 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: the metro station, but there is soldiers and heavy police 56 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: presents around here. Carolin Conner in Brussels, thank you for 57 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: joining us this morning. Calm has returned to European and 58 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: US markets in Europe right now, the stock six D 59 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: is up a point three tenths of eight percent. In Germany, 60 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: the docks is up a hundred and three points right 61 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: now over one. The Euro on the day one six 62 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: is down by about two tenths. The footie is up 63 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: by three points right now about to we'll call it 64 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: less than a tenth of a percent. The pound continues 65 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: to fall, although it has paired its losses, and if 66 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: you take a look at implied volatility, as some analysts 67 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: have done this morning, they're suggesting the drop may be 68 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: overstated as a sign of Brexit risk. US futures unchanged 69 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: on the day, no change for SMP, DOW or NASDAG. 70 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: Many futures bond yields little change ten year one one 71 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: forty one for the five year, and the two year 72 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: eighty eight basis points, although the whole curve has moved 73 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: up just a touch from yesterday after signals from several 74 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: FED officials they may be more aggressive than markets have 75 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: priced in Today. A Bloomberg exclusive, Tom, you and I 76 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: will interview St. Louis FED President James Bullard nine am 77 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio and TV. We are and I'm sure 78 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: there are many things you want to hope from him. 79 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: What what's the most important thing. I think the most 80 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: important thing from from him it is comment on little 81 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: bit of rising inflation and just the dynamic here of 82 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: CPI and Cleveland, Robert Harmance with us with Kissinger associates. 83 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: What would you like to know from the Federal Reserve 84 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: Bank of St. Louis President. He's an interesting guy. He's 85 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: very interesting and a very thoughtful person. There. There are 86 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: a couple of things. One would be how what's going 87 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: on in the global economy and the general weakness of 88 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: the global economy is affecting their decision making if at all? UH. 89 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: In the past volatility and markets, particularly concerns about China 90 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: have caused him to be a bit more cautious. I'd 91 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: be interested if that UH sentiment continued. And the second 92 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: the question of these terrorist activities. Do these over a 93 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: period of time undermine investor confidence? Do they cause market 94 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: and stability? It turns out markets today seem to have 95 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: become much more normal after a horrendous attack on Belgium. 96 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: The question is if they are more of these attacks, 97 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: because there are a lot of former foreign fighters coming 98 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: back into Europe and other parts of the world. If 99 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: they continue, does that cause problems. He won't speculate on that, 100 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: but obviously has to be concerned about that undermining consumer 101 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,559 Speaker 1: confidence and investment confidence as it did in the United 102 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: States after not eleven. Interesting point you raise about the 103 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: markets yesterday the lowest volume of the year UH losses 104 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: in Europe, very contained, US markets mixed UH, and right 105 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: now we're seeing a rebound in markets. Have investors, as 106 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: horrible as it sounds, become somewhat inured to terrorism. I 107 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: think they have seen lots of acts of terrorism and 108 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: they've seen the markets recovery after each one. So they're 109 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: beginning to build this notion in that markets won't be 110 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: permanently adversely affected. The question is if they're more of them, 111 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: and they're more widespread, does that sentiment change? But you're 112 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: quite right for the moment, markets have shrugged off these horrible, volatile, 113 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: terrible tragedies and and done it fairly quickly. So the 114 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: question is will just continue. But a lot to talk 115 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: about within our international relations. Robert Hormettz with us for 116 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: this half hour Bloomberg Surveillance this morning, Rotch Buy investco 117 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: to the day's headlines. Have you searching for more investment 118 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: views Investco's experts can help find the latest thought leadership 119 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: at the Investco blog. Visit investco dot com slash us 120 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: to subscribe. About part of our diplomacy is the privacy 121 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: of citizens. It's gonna be invaded. I mean, we're four 122 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: months on from Paris a detect. There could be another attack, 123 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: three months, seven months, two years out. Tell me how 124 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: the State Department works day to day trying to honor 125 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: our privacy as citizens. This is going to be an 126 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: enormous already is an enormous dilemma. On one hand, the 127 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: intelligence services need more information, and they need it well 128 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: in advance. You just can't do it afterwards. You have 129 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: to really be find ways of tapping into potential threats. 130 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: On the other hand, you don't want to do things 131 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: that violate the privacy of Americans. Uh, it's in our 132 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: constitution that you don't do that. So they're gonna have 133 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: to find the right balance. My guess is that for 134 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: the moment, Americans are going to allow more uh invasive 135 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: activities by the intelligence services, with courts obviously having to 136 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: provide the go ahead to do it. So you need 137 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: some judicial oversight and you need some congressional oversight, But 138 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: you need intelligence. That is the thing that all of 139 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: these incidents underscore. You need very good intelligence. It's very 140 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: hard to get to the extent you can find ways 141 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: of doing it, then I think Americans will sacrifice a 142 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: little bit of privacy for a lot more security very quickly. 143 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: You've worked for Republicans, you worked for Democrats. Did you 144 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: know anyone on Donald Trump's foreign policy team trot it 145 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: out yesterday? I don't actually don't, and I haven't actually 146 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: seen the list, so I've really have not had a 147 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: chance to get you. I expect the answer will me. 148 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just thought, you know, we're talking 149 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: about hormances are important. But I do think candidates need 150 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 1: uh good foreign policy advice because what people can't say 151 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: as candidates does have an effect on the national dialogue 152 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: on foreign policy. So you need people with seasoned experience 153 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: to to provide you information. Michael, what will you ask 154 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: Jim's bullet in the nine o'clock Are you've interviewed him 155 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: more than I have? No? We want to know first 156 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: and foremost where he is on the dot plot. Patrick 157 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: Harker of Philadelphia last night came out and said, I 158 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: am not a two dot person, I think we need 159 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: more rate increases and we should start, perhaps in April, 160 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: which was a fairly aggressive stance. We've also heard from 161 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: John Williams of San Francisco and Dennis Lockhart of Atlanta 162 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,479 Speaker 1: suggesting they too would move more quickly than people anticipate. 163 00:09:55,559 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: So maybe the markets are under pricing risk here. Should 164 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: we talked about the Red Sox beating the Cardinals? Um no, uh, 165 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: it's spring training. It's spring training. It doesn't matter, and 166 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: hope springs eternal. You, as a Red Sox fan, should 167 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: know that more than anybody else. You are. You are 168 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: undefeated in Major League Baseball in two thousand and sixteen. 169 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get not depressed by a Sam Kennedy, 170 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: Boston Red Sox preadate. And Sam kenny came on this 171 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: program the other day and said that you're crazy to 172 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: be so pessimistic. I mean to hear that from a 173 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: Red Sox executive. We'll continue with Bob Horman's Michael Barrow 174 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: have a New York here important updates from Brussels. A 175 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: real chure in the market future is actually flat A 176 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: ten year yield. In a little bit watching Sterling on 177 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: eighty nine sterling weaker. This hour of surveillance is brought 178 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: to you Bozda by Mazda White Plains. Visit Mazda White 179 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: Plains dot com. Here's Michael Boch, Mike Tom, thank you 180 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: very much. Brussels remains on high alert as police have 181 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: captured the main suspect for me Yesterday's terror attacks. According 182 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: to Belgian media, authorities have arrested twenty four year old 183 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: not Jeames Leshroui. 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Then your treasury up 216 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: one thirty second, the yield one point nine three percent. 217 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: Niemex heret oil down one percent or forty two cents 218 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: to forty one oh three of arrel comex goold is 219 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: down one point three percent or sixteen dollars ten cents 220 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: to twelve thirty two fifty ounce, and the euros at 221 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: a dollar eleven ninety three. And that's a Bloomberg business flash, 222 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: Tom and Mike Karen, I thanks so much for so 223 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: to bring you. Robert Hormats of Kissinger Associates UM this morning. 224 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: I believe Secretary Kissinger wrote a book, UM, which was 225 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: my Book of the Year two years ago, called World Order. Yes, 226 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: it is a jumble, it is just that simple. I's 227 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: the Westphalian system gone that we hearkened back centuries. What's 228 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: the new world order for Boba Mormats? Well, the new 229 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: world order is that the borders that were seen to 230 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: be sacrosancd um after the Westphalian system and up through 231 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: the end of World War Two, are now deteriorating, particularly 232 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: in the Middle East. So you've got challenges to national borders. 233 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: And then you also when you look at the way 234 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: governments operate today, there is not so much one global 235 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: order as a lot of regional orders. If you look around, 236 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: China's developing a regional order with the trade negotiation process 237 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: with countries in the region the Silk Road. Russia is 238 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: trying to restore the old Russian Empire, so that the 239 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: world is becoming much more regionalized, and there are many 240 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: more transnational actors. That's what's really different. It's not state 241 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: actors that are the big threats so much anymore, although 242 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: Russia and I think other countries are still threats. But 243 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: you've got transnational actors that don't care about borders, that 244 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: that perpetrate terrorism and other things regardless of orders about 245 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: other gods. How do we reaffirm the Atlantic charter of 246 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: that's the ultimate risk. Totally agree with you. I think 247 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: one of the things we have to do is reinvigorate 248 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: the Atlantic relationship, which is strength and relations with the 249 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: European community on security issues, on energy issues, on trade issues, 250 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: a whole range of things. Were We were a great 251 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: power after World War Two in part because we were 252 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: a power. We survived the war quite well, but we 253 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: would not have been as great a power without strong allies. 254 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: You need strong allies to be a great power, and 255 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: Europe and Japan are critical allies. No matter what goes 256 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: on in the world, you need them and we need 257 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: to strengthen that relationship might help them in the economy. 258 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: Speaks to the theme of Ian Bremer and Eurisia Group 259 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: and their annual report this year. The Atlantic is important. 260 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: Was it a mistake to invade Iraq in hindsight now 261 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: because it's set in motion the toppling of strong men 262 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: whom we may not have uh, we may not have liked, 263 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: but they kept order. It was highly this uptive and 264 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: the problem was with US policy in many parts of 265 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: the world, Iraq in particular. We don't really analyze what 266 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: happens on day two and day three and year two 267 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: and year three. We don't look at the secondary and 268 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: tertiary implications of what we do and the disruption that 269 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: occurred not only after the invasion, but dismantling the police 270 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: force and all other things. This deteriorated into chaos. You 271 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: would not have had Isis, I think, or at least 272 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: not as strong an Isis if you had a stable 273 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: Iraq today, And we don't have a stable Iraq today, 274 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: and with various other parts of the world. The United 275 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: States has to take a much more strategic view of 276 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: what it does. Not so much on the day it doesn't, 277 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: but what are the implications down the road? Do we 278 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: have the ability to put in a moderate, rational, pro 279 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: American government after the invasion, after the chaos? And the 280 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: answer is demonstrably and repeatedly that we're very, very poor 281 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: at shaping new governments predicting new governments UH that are 282 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: supportive of the United States. It is not, it is 283 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: not happening in the Middle East. We intervene. We need 284 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: to know what the next implications are down the road, 285 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: and we're not good at doing that, and we're not 286 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: good at shaping the futures of these countries. We need 287 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: a much more strategic view. History would suggest that if 288 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: you've left things alone, new strongmen would arise in these 289 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: UH societies. But the extra state actors that you talked 290 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: about are the new factor in this. How does the 291 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: US deal with them. Do we go after them, do 292 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: we attack Isis? Do we militarily try to remove the threat? 293 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: I think you have to attack Isis now that they've 294 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: been let loose and triggered and given a refuge and 295 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: part of Syrian and and part of a rock. The 296 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: United States has to go after them, but it needs 297 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: allies and the reach. And we've seen just yesterday with 298 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: the Saudis are now leading a coalition primarily of sunny 299 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: governments of the region, including Egypt and others, that will 300 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: do this. They realize it's an existential threat to them. 301 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: And finally we're seeing some of these countries banned together 302 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: and they're gonna They're gonna put troops together in order 303 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: to take action against size of what you need American 304 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: you need American intelligence, you need special forces, and you 305 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: need the Europeans and others to do it as well. 306 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: And you need to work with the Russians and the 307 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,479 Speaker 1: Chinese because they're these Isis threats are are are not 308 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: just in the Middle East and not just Europe and 309 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: not just the US. Russia and China are worried about 310 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: Islamic extremism and radicalism too, because they can destabilize parts 311 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: of Russian, parts of China. I only get thirty seconds. 312 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: Bob horn Man said, we can expand on this in 313 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: another visit. Did Mr Snowdon change forever how we're going 314 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: to approach going after thugs with our technology. Yes, it 315 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: was very harmful what he did. It made it harder 316 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: to collect intelligence, It made it harder for other governments 317 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: to trust us. It was very harmful to to American 318 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: and national sc Robert Hormet's is with Kissinger associates and 319 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: of course for years associated with his Tough University and 320 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: the Fletcher School. Will continue this discussion. Of course, all 321 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: of our news across Bloomberg Radio will give you updates 322 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: from Belgium. There has been news this morning of the 323 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: third attacker arrested, as the other two were suicide bombers, 324 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: and we'll have much more on that through the morning. 325 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: I'd like to tell you the data screen is moving, 326 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: it's not oil down fractionally forty three cents West Texas 327 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: for two. I'm still not used to saying that after 328 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: what we've seen and the twenties and thirties as well. 329 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: Futures flat coming up. Michael McKee and myself our conversation 330 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: with James Buller to the St. Louis FED. Look for 331 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: that in about ninety minutes from New York. 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