1 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody to Bachelor Happy Hour's Golden Hour. Thanks 2 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. We're so excited to be 3 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: back and talk about that show. 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 2: Hunh, Kathy, oh gosh, we are What did you think 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: of AFR finally known as After the Final Rows? 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I was sad because we weren't there. 7 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: We're usually there, Kathy. 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: I know it was like weird for me. Okay, it was, 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 2: but I have to say I love the fact it's, 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: as you always remind me, it's all about love. And 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 2: I loved that Gary was there with his new fiance Leanna, 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: and I love because he was the first golden bauchelor. 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: And I loved that Joan was their first golden boucherette 14 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 2: with Chalk. I loved that. And I thought it was 15 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: hysterical that Chalk predicted that, uh. 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: You're gonna get pad. 17 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna get married. Okay, but let's get into 18 00:00:58,800 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: it because okay. 19 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: First one out of the gate. Cindy. First of all, 20 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: she is breathtaking, the gorgeous. However, I think we had 21 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: a little boomette show and a little too much the dress. 22 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: It was like I couldn't even look at her I 23 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: kept looking at the boobs. 24 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: Well, let me just say, I think you know that 25 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: cuts one of two ways, either not a good look 26 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 2: or hey, Mel, look what you're missing and. 27 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: That that rhinestone thing coming down in between my titties. 28 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: Come here and choke me. But I gotta say I, 29 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: as you know, Cindy lives in Austin and we are friends, 30 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 2: and I love Cindy. I'm so happy for Pegan Melt. 31 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: Let me first say that, absolutely, so happy for them. 32 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: But I do think Cindy made a mistake. I would 33 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: not have done what she did. I would I would 34 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: have said, gone to the suite like Mel wanted, and 35 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: talked to him and did all that. I really think 36 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: Cindy thought he would follow after her, and I don't 37 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: blame her for thinking that because they had a very 38 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 2: close relationship. So I think if it had it been me, 39 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: I would have done it. I would have thought, what 40 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: do I have to lose? I'm in love with this 41 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: man if she is. I'm not trying to put words 42 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: in Cindy's mouth. I would have said, Mel, I made 43 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: a huge mistake, and if you're happy with peg, then 44 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: you're happy. Oh yeah, I would have if if I 45 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 2: were in love because you know what it's I hate 46 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: this expression, but I'm hearing it so much on Batchelor 47 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: these days. Shoot your shot. That's her one and only 48 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: shot now. I think Megan. By the way, can I 49 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: just say I said Meg, and I heard it on 50 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 2: TV last night. Oh I'm going to coin it. I 51 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: said it the other day on our podcast Mel and 52 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: Peg Meg anyway, Yeah, exactly. I think Meg is very 53 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 2: I think they're a very happy couple. But out of side, 54 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: I would have done it, would. 55 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: You, I definitely would have stayed till it was over. Yes. However, 56 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: she has watched the show and if she was not 57 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: getting what she needed and she wanted more commitment, she 58 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: didn't want to be the one that wasn't chosen. So 59 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: she took it upon herself to say, face if you will. 60 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: If you don't know, if you're going to be the 61 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: one that's chosen. 62 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: In no, you don't. But she was pretty sure that 63 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: he wasn't giving her what she wanted. Like she didn't 64 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: say marriage, but she wanted commitment, and he said, I 65 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: don't leap at a leap of faith. I wanted to continue. 66 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: Remember we were saying something last week Kathy that you 67 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: said if he were to say, okay, I want to 68 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: date both of you and see where it goes. And 69 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: my friend Kathy here was in agreement with that. Not 70 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: on my life. 71 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: When I do that, well, again, you know if I 72 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: were in love with the man that much. But again 73 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: I'm not in the situation. So you know what I've 74 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: done that on national TV. I probably would have humiliated 75 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: myself quote unquote because I would want him to know 76 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: that's how serious I am. I screwed up. 77 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: I do get that, but I will feel like she 78 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: wanted to be the bigger person and shine and not 79 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: be the one. 80 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: That was okay. So when she says, am I going 81 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 2: to finish the game? I was in the wrong stadium. 82 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: I love that. That whole analogy, that sports analogy or metaphor, 83 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 2: I should say. But here's the thing. Mel kept saying, Uh, 84 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 2: she wanted marriage. He said it to peg. He kept 85 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 2: saying it. She wanted marriage, sit and engage. That means sad, No, 86 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 2: it doesn't. I know lots of people who have been 87 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: engaged for ten years. 88 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: Rule of thumb, you get engaged, what happens somebody else 89 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: want to marry them. That's not getting engaged days. 90 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: I am. Listen, I'm a modern woman here. I could 91 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: see you. You're so milder, you know, put a nice 92 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: ring on my hand, and I I'm so modered. I 93 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: am so modern, I am. But but I honestly think 94 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 2: I do think Cindy wanted marriage. Don't get me wrong, 95 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: but I think. And she wasn't waiting, willing to wait 96 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: for two years till his sons were out of the house. 97 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: She said that, you know, I'm not waiting two years. 98 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: So that was her choice. 99 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: It was her choice. But I think had she gone 100 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 2: to the fantasy suite, we're women, we're smart, we've been 101 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: around the block of time or two. I think they 102 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: could have had I agree with Mel, they could have 103 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: had those meaningful conversations that may have changed his mind 104 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 2: and or her mind. And I'm not taking anything away 105 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 2: from Pet because I love Peg and boyd. She looked 106 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: beautiful last night. 107 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: She certainly we didn't even get there yet. But don't 108 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: you think when she sat there and paused and she 109 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: was cheering up after walking away, she was hoping he 110 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: would come after her. And then Jesse comes to sit 111 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: with Mel and he said, you can go. He had 112 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: an opportunity to stop her, So he made his choice. 113 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 2: No, I did well, he clearly made his choice. I 114 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: think that again, we only see what shown blah blah blah. 115 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: We don't know everything could happen. But Mel, I've met 116 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 2: him once, delightful man to me. He was very kind 117 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 2: to me. Uh but but NFL player, a lawyer. Oh, 118 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: let me repeat, a man. They don't like their egos 119 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: being bruised, never mind on national TV. So did I 120 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: think in the moment he could think fast enough or 121 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: deliberately enough to go after No, not at all. And 122 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 2: so I think it's so I'm telling you, I'm so 123 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: split down the middle. I am so happy for Meg, 124 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 2: I'm so happy for them. I think it is fabulous. 125 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: I congratulated her last night. I think it fabulous. But 126 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 2: I also hope that it is for the you know, 127 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 2: for the long haul. 128 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: After hearing Cindy say he is not my person because 129 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: she wanted somebody to be head over heels. And I 130 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,119 Speaker 1: don't blame the woman. We all want to feel love. 131 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: But he is in no way, shape or form, was 132 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: not ready at that moment. He would get to continue 133 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: the journey. 134 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: And I don't have a problem with that to you them. 135 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: No, not at all. But she said, is it okay 136 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: if you walk me out to leave? That was his 137 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: moment too, Kathy. He had several moments that he could say, No, 138 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: I don't want you to leave. Wait till we go 139 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: to the fantasy suite so we could talk. I think 140 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: a loted down the fantasy suite. People think, oh, we're 141 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: going to get laid. It's not about getting laid. It's 142 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: about not having a camera on you and having an 143 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: open conversation. 144 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: Okay, but I'm I'm gonna call bs here for a 145 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: second because hause Peg. Everyone calls her fun Peg, and 146 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: she has fun. She's a joy, she has lots of them. 147 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: She also has a serious side. 148 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: I heard, Yes she does. That's why I told you. 149 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: I feel like she's like me. I'm crazy fun, so 150 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: are you. But we both have a serious side. 151 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 152 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: When Mel came to PEG's room and he said to 153 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: her and told her Cindy, first of all, I thought 154 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: Peg looked so damn nervous. Uh huh, you know that's me. 155 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: She was ready for him to let her go. 156 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: Yes, so so she was nervous. But when when uh 157 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: he was there, he told her that Cindy wanted to 158 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: get married, and I'm like, no, Mel, she didn't say that. 159 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: And then Peg says in an interview after she said, 160 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 2: you know, I want to get to know him better. 161 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 2: I need a commitment, PEG said the same thing. So 162 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: you know, Peg played the I hate saying, played the 163 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: game a little better, but you know, the cat and mouse, 164 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: she was willing to, you know, see it to the end. 165 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: Here's my question for you. If you are PEG, and 166 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 2: you and I both know her a little bit. If 167 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: you're PEG, do you feel like you're the default pick? 168 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 2: Like he didn't really want you. 169 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: But that's what the world's going to think because Cindy 170 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: walked out. And I think Cindy knew what she was 171 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: doing because she didn't feel one hundred percent that that 172 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: was her guy, so she'd rather walk away then not 173 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: be picked. 174 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: How can you say, if Cindy still loves him, how 175 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: can you say that he's not her guy? I see Cindy, 176 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. 177 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: She said he's not my guy? 178 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I said, I'm five ten and one hundred 179 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 2: and ten pounds. Do you believe me? 180 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: Well, so what did she say? I I she was 181 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: trying to say thing she is carefully. Like I said before, 182 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: she knows exactly what she's doing, and you know what, 183 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: it is her choice too, it's not just Mel's choice. 184 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: I totally agree with that. That's why I said to you, 185 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: and Mel said, you have to see it to the end. No, 186 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 2: you don't. You can leave any time you want and 187 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: he could send her home anytime. Why I asked you 188 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 2: a question. You didn't answer my question? What do you think? Peg? 189 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: You said, the world see it that way? I'm asking 190 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 2: would you feel default the PEG. 191 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: Enter your head? Of course it is, and they probably 192 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: had a conversation about it. But she's mature enough to 193 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: know we're good. The world's gonna say it. You know that? 194 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 2: Well? 195 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: No, I was asking you what the TV moment that 196 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: was done? Yeah? 197 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: Well, so let me say to you if if. 198 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 1: He didn't want Peg to feel that way, he didn't 199 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: say that. 200 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: Right, So how did you feel? Because you know me, 201 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: I'll date two guys that a time or whatever you 202 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: accused me of last week? Do you what did you 203 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 2: think about the ring not being an engagement ring, a 204 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 2: promise ring of sorts to get to know you better. 205 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: It's still a diamond. But he didn't propose because he's 206 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: not ready, and you know what, she wasn't either. Now 207 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: they've had a few months and they're totally in love. 208 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: But at that moment, that's one thing I admired about Peg, 209 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: the way she shared she was in protect mode. She 210 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: devoted her life to raising her daughter like Mel did 211 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: after the divorce with his boys. And he doesn't say 212 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: I love you very freely. It takes time, and she 213 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: was still in protect mode. She likes him, she's just 214 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: fun energy all the time, but that has nothing to 215 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: do with her heart. 216 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. 217 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: And when she opened up and said that, I gave 218 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: her credit for that. 219 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: She was I will say, Diane perfect match for me. Oh, 220 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 2: I think they're a great match. I want. 221 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: I mean because they both on the fence of right 222 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: getting married moving far. Like she said, you know, being sixties, 223 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: in your sixties, you don't have to get married right away. 224 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 2: Oh and look at me. That's why I just said, 225 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: you can have an engagement ring and be engaged for 226 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: life and they can live happily ever after as an 227 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 2: engaged couple. And that would not well you just told 228 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: me before. An engagement ring means. 229 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: When you propose to somebody that means marriage. 230 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: Okay, well, I don't necessariiate that way, but we can 231 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 2: on you that. 232 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: One call it an engagement. 233 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna call I'm gonna 234 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: call something here. Okay, he is a lawyer, Diane said. 235 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: He is analytical, yes, practical. 236 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: Analytical, not emotional. So when this guy is saying. 237 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: That he's more practical than emotions, but. 238 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: When exactly, But when he's saying she said marriage, I'm 239 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: thinking to myself if I were there, he's not hearing. 240 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: He's thinking that all I want is marriage, and I 241 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: feel badly for Cindy. I would feel badly for me. Like, no, Mal, 242 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 2: you didn't hear what I said. I need a commitment. 243 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: I need to hear that you're falling in love with me, 244 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 2: that you think you could fall in love with me, 245 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 2: not how is the date good? 246 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: And she said she was willing to move to California 247 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: she has a daughter there, she was and not even 248 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: with him, like to get him too crazy. And I'm 249 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: not talking about moving in with you. I would move 250 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: to be near. 251 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 2: You, and he didn't want that either, So you know, 252 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 2: I don't get it. But I will say one thing 253 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: that you know you and I both have kids, right, 254 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: and we've talked about this. If I'm ever lucky enough 255 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: to find a guy, which you know, Christmas is coming, 256 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go sit on Santa's lap should that happen. 257 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 2: Our kids are very important to us, so I listened 258 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: very carefully to his sons, who, by the way, are 259 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 2: adorable and well spoken. 260 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: And the baseball scholarship. 261 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 2: If that's that's really exciting. 262 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: He must be so proud of him. 263 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 2: I'm sure he is. But when he said the son, 264 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: I'm not sure which one said it. My dad wants 265 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 2: an easy going I literally wrote it down. He wants 266 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: a bad going, fun person. That's what he wants. He 267 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: wants mellow, not drama. I thought, if peg is not mellow. 268 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: So I don't know where that came from, but I 269 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: thought to myself, easy going and fun. I'm asking you, Susan, 270 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: does easy going and fun make a good long term partner? 271 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: Is that easy going is a keyword? 272 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: There? You go easy going or at least adaptable. I 273 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: don't think easy going. 274 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: One of you. To be right, he's up. He's more analytical. 275 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 3: And emotional, just saying Susan, no, and for like me, 276 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: in ever reallylationship, I have to be I'm the dreamer, 277 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 3: the pisces. 278 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm the you know, shoot straight from the hip. I 279 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: don't think before I speak, although I've gotten much better. Yeah, 280 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: every relationship needs. 281 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 2: Balance, right, And and I think we've talked about this. 282 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:24,479 Speaker 2: My husband was an introvert. I'm a very slight extrovert. 283 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: And and and that's why our marriage worked. I think 284 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: mel I don't know, you know, I don't know what 285 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 2: his his brig myer brig score is, but I think 286 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: that he's definitely not his outgoing as pack. I think 287 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: we can all take that one to the bank. 288 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: What I love about it is he loves her to shine. 289 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: He's that guy you know when your partner just loves 290 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: you to stand out in the room and have fun 291 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: and be crazy. He enjoys it. So I think it's 292 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: going to work. And how about how gorgeous she looked. 293 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: She looked beautiful. Oh my god, you know on the 294 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: internet or saying she had a facelift, people are cruel 295 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: in six weeks, Yeah, exactly, people. You cannot get a 296 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 2: facelift in six weeks and look like that. 297 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: F yi, it's called stunning. 298 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: Her hair was beautiful. Her face is beautiful, makeup covers, 299 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: you know, changes you look. I love her curly wild hair. 300 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: But I thought she looked absolutely extraordinary last night. But 301 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: I have another question, because when when not Jesse? When 302 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: when Mel said? And it was at the beginning and 303 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 2: at the end in the middle, you know, when there's 304 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: a will, there's a way. What do you think he 305 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: like to me? You and me, if there's a will, 306 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: there's a way. You and I we're going to find 307 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: the way. That guy, if we have the will, if 308 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: we want that man, we're going to find a way 309 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: to make it work. And I think backing up to 310 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: Cindy when she said I'll move out there, blah blah blah, 311 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: that was her trying to find a way because she 312 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: willed the relationship. 313 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: She was looking for words that he couldn't give. He said, 314 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: if there's a will, there's a way. He liked her 315 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: a lot. He tells her that she needed a confirmation. Okay, 316 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: you're in love with me. 317 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 2: Okay, So I have a question. This is hard when Susan, 318 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 2: are you ready, I'm gonna it's a hard question. Yeah, 319 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 2: do you believe that someone can go from looking at 320 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: Cindy and laughing and love and saying, you know everything, 321 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 2: but I'm interested in you because I felt I told 322 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 2: you this earlier. I felt like he was gonna pick 323 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 2: Cindy had Cydy gone, had Cindy gone to the fantasy suite, 324 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 2: and peg, I love you, don't be angry. I My 325 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 2: feeling was he was gonna pick Cindy if she'd gone 326 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 2: to the fantasy suite. So how do you rationalize? 327 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: I felt all along their chemistry was strong. 328 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 2: I used to, but let me ask my question. 329 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: Five episodes he's going to pick Cindy's but then when 330 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: he's into fun, he's into somebody entertaining him, making him 331 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: egg all over. 332 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 2: I'm susan, the word is shattering. I'm agreeing with you. 333 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 2: The question is, how do you go from loving three 334 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 2: women finding or he didn't use the word love, but 335 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: finding so much in three women that you really like, 336 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 2: to finding so much in two women you really like, 337 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: so much so that you can't choose. Two months later, 338 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 2: saying you know, I'm in love, and now I think 339 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 2: if you were that much in love, let you and 340 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 2: I let's produce this show last night. If he is 341 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 2: that much in love and he and he was ready 342 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 2: to make a commitment. I think you would have gotten 343 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 2: down on one knee, don't you, and said, let's let's change. 344 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: She's got her ring, he loves her, he set it 345 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: out loud. They've had time to spend with each other. 346 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: So you're saying he's not ready for marriage. 347 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: I don't think marriage is in the equation. 348 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 2: Oh ever. 349 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: Maybe not. 350 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 2: Ah, okay, I'll drink to that. I mean, i'll drink 351 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 2: to mostly. 352 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: But like she made a perfectly good point, do you 353 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: care at our age if we have a paper saying 354 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: we're married, I would do a commitment ceremony with it, right, paperwork, right. 355 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 2: Well, that's you talking, I'm saying. I don't think that's 356 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 2: what she's saying. I don't think that's what peg saying. 357 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 2: She said she could see marriage with him episode before 358 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 2: she's I don't think she said anything about a commitment 359 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 2: ceremony with. 360 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: Living together and wearing the ring, but they don't live 361 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: in the same state. 362 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: I do have a little bit you're changing. You are 363 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 2: absolutely coming over to my side at the table now, 364 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 2: which is you can have a ring on your hand, 365 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: and you can call an engagement ring, a promise ring, 366 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: a happy Valentine's ring or Merry Christmas early, but it's 367 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 2: still a ring, yes, and that doesn't mean you're ever 368 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 2: going to get married. And I am not convinced that 369 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: Cindy wasn't in the same place. 370 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: I'm Cindy was so serious. Peg is not that serious. 371 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: She has a serious side. But think about the words 372 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: that she said. You know she wants a life partner. 373 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: He said, relationships happen over time. I agree with two 374 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: year things. But he's not ready to propose. She wanted 375 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: a proposal, he was not ready. Therefore, she should have 376 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: backed it up if she was really in love with 377 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: him and gave him some space. 378 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 2: Well, I agree with that. 379 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. 380 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 2: That's why I said she should have gone to the 381 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 2: fantasy suite. I agree with that. 382 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: But she wants somebody to feel like he was struck 383 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: by lightning, like she needs that guy to be dropped 384 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: dead in love. I know what that's like. 385 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 2: I do, and I think that way, maybe he could 386 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 2: have gotten there, maybe he couldn't. I don't know, We'll 387 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: never know. That's you know what that is Episode two 388 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 2: of it on The Golden Bachelor A season two. Mel's 389 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 2: gonna have a redo to see how you know we're 390 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: gonna just start where it picked up. 391 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: But we did admire her strength and her composure. Yes, 392 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: when she left and she paused, she was hoping so 393 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: bad that he would come, and I wish he did. 394 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: I really do just to talk to her. 395 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: Even well, you know why I like a romance story. 396 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: I like a love story that ends where you have 397 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: no quese. You know that just came to me when 398 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 2: I watch Hallmark movies. Let's start there. When I watch 399 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 2: Hallmark movies, you already know at the beginning the first line, 400 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 2: the girl moved to some town to help her grandmother out. 401 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: She meets this dropped at gorgeous guy in the parking lot, 402 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 2: and the rest of the movie is, you know, she 403 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 2: had a fiance in New York City, but now she's 404 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: in bf E, Kansas, and she meets the guy and 405 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 2: they fall in love, and you know, at the end 406 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: of the movie they're getting married and they're in love 407 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,479 Speaker 2: and happily ever after that, you just hit on it, Susan, 408 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,959 Speaker 2: I don't have the feeling with mel that this is 409 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 2: a I love you till the end of time. You 410 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: hit on it. 411 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: Something that that comes to mind when Cindy said she 412 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: waited to see here. I'm sorry, does this. 413 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 2: Mean that maybe I can steal horn In and maybe 414 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 2: I have a chance? 415 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: No, forget. She was so glad she watched it back 416 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: because being in it and seeing yourself do it or 417 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: night and day, that feelings, the emotions, it's crazy, you know, 418 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: from watching ourselves on TV. And she needed to hear 419 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: how she fits in his life. 420 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: Who I'm talking about, Cindy. Cindy since and that's what 421 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: I'm saying. 422 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: That's when she said that line, I don't need to 423 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: convince a man. Wait, and she said he was looking 424 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: short term and his book was a comic book. Her 425 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: book is as a freaking romance novel. I feel you, Cindy. 426 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I get it. I love Cindy. I get 427 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 2: I love them both. But I will say to you, 428 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: that is what I'm telling you and chatting with you. 429 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 2: I've had this epiphany that is what is missing in 430 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 2: this finale. For me, it's a promise ring. And I 431 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 2: truly hope that they love each other and they move 432 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 2: forward to whatever the relationship is. But you know what 433 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 2: I'm talking Like Susan Knowles, I wanted the love story. 434 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: I wanted them to for him last night to say, 435 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 2: you know, it's been a rough road. You know, I 436 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 2: tossed the football into the dirt six times. 437 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: He said, I love her. 438 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: That's a huge I get it. I want you. You're 439 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 2: always you, always the one saying the show ends, it's 440 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 2: about to getting a proposal. Send even said it it's 441 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: about a marriage proposal. I wanted Mel to stand up 442 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 2: last night. I'm just get on his face and proposed her. 443 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: Then I would be leaving this conversation moving onto Taylor. 444 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 2: Frankie Paul saying, what a great thing. But I don't 445 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 2: feel great about it. I don't. It's not complete to me. 446 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: It's not I'm happy. I am, I am. 447 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 2: I'm happy for them. That's not well. 448 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: I didn't mean that you weren't happy for them. 449 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 2: I wish it were. I wish it for it. 450 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: When the goldens, it's a different story cat the young ones. 451 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: They want to get engaged and to be married and 452 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: have kids and buy your first house at our age. 453 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: We don't need all that. Well, look at Chalk and Joan. 454 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: Their relationship is perfect. They are engaged. There's no wedding plans. 455 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: They're taking their tongue is it perfect? 456 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: Though I don't want to see a guy. It works 457 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 2: for them, I grant you that, but for me, I 458 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 2: don't want to see the guy that I'm in love 459 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 2: with once a month. It works for them. 460 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: That's then again, you don't want them under your foot 461 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: twenty four to seven either. I remember you saying that 462 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: it's difficult to live with somebody again. 463 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 2: It would, but I haven't met the that I'm willing 464 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 2: to trip over hiss dirty socks for you know, I 465 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: haven't met him yet. But if I do, maybe in 466 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 2: our next life, God, we're going to do it all 467 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 2: over again, I think. 468 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: H less. Both women were very, very strikingly beautiful and 469 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: well spoken. One is happy, one not so much. I 470 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: feel my heart breaks always for the girl that doesn't 471 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:26,719 Speaker 1: get it. 472 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: Let me tell you something, Cindy, as I say, I've 473 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 2: gotten to know her a little bit. She is a 474 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: lovely beautiful If the men will, In fact, I said 475 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: her the other night. 476 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: She won't have a problem. 477 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: They'll be lining up at her door, I said, could. 478 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: You nobody was lining on our doors? 479 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 2: I asked her if she could wait grow in last night? 480 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: Yeah it was awfully long. 481 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding, But I but I says the hairdresser. 482 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 2: I said to Cindy, could you do you throw your 483 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: rejects my way when you start dating? Because you know 484 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 2: her reject will still be a nine on my skaning 485 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: on her door. 486 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: Man, she's gonna have to fight. 487 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I am ready. I mean, 488 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: I truly just to summarize, you and I both wish 489 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 2: Meg a love, wonderful life together however they see it. 490 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: However, curious though, nobody's going to relocate so kind of 491 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: like Chuck Chuck, excuse me and Joan, they live in 492 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: separate states. I'm assuming that's what it's going to be 493 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: like for these two. They're going to travel together. There. 494 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: They planning to go to the super. I think she's 495 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: going to Michigan. He's gone to Vegas. 496 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 2: By the way, Go blue. Do you know my son 497 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 2: went to the University of Michigan? Did he? When I 498 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: met mel, yeah, I said, go blue, and he looked 499 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 2: at me like, how the hell did you know that? 500 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 2: I said, my son went to Michigan? He did? I 501 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 2: think I told her? He asked me to what door? 502 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 2: Me was my son's forty four years old? What Jesus 503 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 2: smell out to remember it was how many years ago. 504 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: About when Peg says I like his shoes, he goes, 505 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: I'm a trendsetter. Can be seen about it and that 506 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: it's cool. I think they're going to do fine. 507 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 2: I hope that is our wish. We hope they do well. 508 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 2: We hope they are truly in love. That's the wish 509 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 2: for everyone coming off one of these shows. And my 510 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 2: hope is that I am next on the Tropic. 511 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: Always, Always. 512 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 2: Taylor. 513 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: Everybody that's listening, we want to know what you thought. 514 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: Let us know, write us in right and so we 515 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: can read it out loud. I mean, everybody's entitled to 516 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: their opinion. 517 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 2: And but can I just say, like I said, I've 518 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 2: been reading online, ladies, gentlemen, Bachelor Nation fans. I can 519 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 2: assure you if Peg had a facelift and looks like that. 520 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 2: In six weeks, I'm going to find out the name 521 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,479 Speaker 2: of our doctor and I'm gonna I'm gonna get one 522 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 2: done myself. But now we get to do the next 523 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 2: up is Frankie Paul and. 524 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: Now we get back into drama. And although I heard 525 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: she's got some fabulous gentlemen, she really does you know 526 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: what she was outspoken there with Jesse. Yeah, just catching 527 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: up about her show, and she sent somebody home, not 528 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: at a roast. Raman, you're going to answer me back, 529 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: that girl's got strength. 530 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 2: That's not what you were gonna say. 531 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: That was Kathy before we go. Yes, what if anything 532 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: would you change for like the next Golden Bachelor or Bachelorette. 533 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 2: Show, aside from me being the lead, and I would 534 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 2: I mean, it is about time that they brought me in. Okay, 535 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 2: so if that doesn't happen, I actually, and you're probably 536 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 2: gonna laugh when I say this, I would like to 537 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: see someone a little bit more golden. Sixty five Mel 538 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: was golden. I would like to see if they do 539 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: a Golden Bachelorette next, you know, Joan was what sixty 540 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 2: one when she did it. I would like to see 541 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: a woman or sixty whatever. I would like to see 542 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 2: a woman between sixty five and seventy somebody that's. 543 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: The real gold real, not twenty three of them. 544 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and not that many of them. And I'd like 545 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 2: to see. 546 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: More dating and really have time to get to know 547 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: each other. 548 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: And please can we have different dates besides horses and 549 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 2: dune buggies? Please? Can we? 550 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: I mean I would see yachts though, yeah, keep. 551 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 2: The yacht and you know, let's jump out of an airplane. 552 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: I'd keep that. Oh wait, and the golden start get 553 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 2: to do that either. But you know what I would 554 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 2: seriously like to see. I would like to see people 555 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 2: who are genuinely willing to get who are ready see 556 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 2: I think that was part of the problem with mal 557 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 2: I'm not sure he was one hundred percent ready to 558 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 2: go down this path. So I would like to see 559 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 2: someone who is genuinely ready to make a commitment, whether 560 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 2: it is you know, long term living living with someone, 561 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 2: not this I'm gonna stay in New York and you're 562 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 2: gonna stay in California. I mean, that's just I want 563 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: to see the full. 564 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: And it's tough, Kathy, But like you said, we have children, grandchildren. 565 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: You're not just gonna jump up and leave. 566 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: Well, but again, there's something Susan between living full time. 567 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 2: What if I said to if I meet mister Wright, 568 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: and I have two children in Austin, Texas, and I 569 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 2: have all five of my grandchildren, all five of them 570 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 2: are here. But if but if I met the right 571 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 2: guy and he lived in California or like Tahoe, I'm 572 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 2: moving there, if that's what, And I'm gonna spend one 573 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 2: week a month here in Austin. And you know what, 574 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 2: I'll bet I would keep my house here. I will 575 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: bet you that I would see as much or more 576 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 2: of my children coming here once a month. 577 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely so. 578 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 2: But I I really I would like to see you know, 579 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 2: people when you read online, they say, oh, i'd like 580 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 2: to see more normal women. I think, and they say 581 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 2: like twenty pounds overweight and not faceless and not hair extensions. 582 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 2: I don't really care about that. I care about what 583 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 2: is in the people. You know, what's in your heart? 584 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 2: What are you really looking for? I also would like 585 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 2: to hear more of the stories, right, I think that's 586 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 2: what That's what. 587 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: The women didn't talk about their grandchildren. I didn't even 588 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: know any of them were grandparents. 589 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 2: I don't know that any of them are they are. 590 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: There's a couple of them, yes, because I asked. But 591 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: and they had long hair, they were beautiful, they were 592 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: all attractive, and to me, it geared towards a little younger. 593 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 2: And that's that's not golden. 594 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: And they think that's what people want. I guess what. 595 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: We already have a young one you want to do 596 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: a middle aged one, do a middle aged one, right, 597 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: But for Golden's it should be Golden. I said that 598 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: from our show. 599 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 2: Susan is this is We've reached the moment where I 600 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 2: have to tell you they're in conversation with me about 601 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 2: being the next Golden about Chorette, and. 602 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: Now I'm hosting the show and. 603 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 2: You're hosting the show. So vote for us no. 604 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: And hopefully you know it's only once a year we 605 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: get Golden's, but I hope it doesn't go away. 606 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 2: Okay, what is the best thing for you? What is 607 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 2: the best thing for you about Golden the Golden Bachelor 608 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 2: of Bachelort's. What is the best thing about. 609 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: Telling the world they're still alive and there's still. 610 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: Hope exactly that that we have a lot of life 611 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: to live and it's as. 612 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: As besides you, Kat, is there anybody else that you 613 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: would like to see as a lead from our show? 614 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: From this show? Random? 615 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I think I honestly, I think Nancy would 616 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 2: make a great, great lead. I think she's so deserving, 617 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 2: But I don't think she's old enough. Based on what 618 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 2: I just said, I think Cindy's too young. I think 619 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 2: these women are too young. 620 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: I want somebody that has not that they don't have personality, 621 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: but somebody that's going to challenge them, like the like 622 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: you and I would exactly hello. 623 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 2: I really I think the biggest and I'm being serious now, 624 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing that's important to me going 625 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 2: forward is I would like to see someone who's really 626 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 2: over the age of sixty five, who's active, who's sixty 627 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 2: five or over. That's what I would like to see. 628 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 2: And I think that because you know what, Susan, the 629 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 2: older we get you and I've talked about it. You 630 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 2: become invisible people don't. I want to show the world 631 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 2: we're not invisible. We have thoughts, we have energy, we're kind, 632 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 2: we have great stories. 633 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: We still have game, baby, that's right, and. 634 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 2: We have we have a lot of love to give. 635 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 2: So that's my whole thing. But anyway, this has been 636 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 2: a blast. I love Golden's I love the fact. 637 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: That season with the youngins, yeah, be drama. 638 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 2: If there's going to be drama. 639 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: Thank you all of you out there that listen to 640 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: us every week. We love your comments, your thoughts, all 641 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 1: of it. 642 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 2: We really do want to hear maybe you have some 643 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 2: suggestions on who you'd like to see to be the 644 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 2: next Golden Bachelor or Golden Bacherette. Vote for me, as 645 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 2: they say, vote for me, vote often. But in the meantime, 646 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 2: be sure to follow Bachelor Happy Hour as we have 647 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 2: new episodes coming out every week that you don't want 648 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 2: to miss. We're so excited to get back to our 649 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 2: episodes where we just kind of chat about life, and 650 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 2: then we're going to be delving into Taylor, Frankie Paul 651 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 2: and we can't wait to get started on that. 652 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: So keep your questions coming and listen to Bachelor Happy 653 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: Hours Golden Hour on the iHeartRadio app or whereever you 654 00:34:52,760 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 1: listen to your podcast. Until next time, have a great week.