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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in our three Wednesday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are

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Speaker 2: continuing to track the drama. House Speaker Kevin McCarthy forced

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Speaker 2: out yesterday after eight Republicans voted against him, and there

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Speaker 2: are two contenders now vying for the speakerdom of the

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Speaker 2: House of Representatives. Those contenders so far announced Steve Scalise,

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Speaker 2: who was the number two to Kevin McCarthy, and Jim Jordan,

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Speaker 2: who was and always has been fairly high up in

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Speaker 2: the Republican pecking order. So we will see exactly how

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Speaker 2: that process plays out. Expectations are that there will be

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Speaker 2: votes for the Speaker of the House Wednesday of next week,

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Speaker 2: and that this office potentially then will be filled. Right now,

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Speaker 2: Kevin McCarthy has not, to my knowledge, Buck even announced

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Speaker 2: how much longer he's going to stay in Congress, just

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Speaker 2: that he will not be seeking the speakerdom anymore as

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Speaker 2: a part of his career. We'll see what the long

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Speaker 2: range impact of this ends up being. On a scale

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Speaker 2: of one to ten, Buck in your mind, how big

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Speaker 2: of a story is this? How much should people be

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Speaker 2: concerned with this process?

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Speaker 3: It's all time sensitive, right, Timing is everything. So today

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Speaker 3: it's the biggest story in the country. By Friday, I

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Speaker 3: think it will be minor, and by next week it'll

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Speaker 3: be a distant memory to people. That's what I think

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Speaker 3: will happen here.

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Speaker 2: I think only ten percent of the American public can

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Speaker 2: even name who the House Speaker is at any given

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Speaker 2: point in time. There are lots of people who don't

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Speaker 2: know who the Vice President is right now, which is crazy.

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Speaker 2: But I think for the average American who the Speaker

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Speaker 2: of the House is does not register on their list

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Speaker 2: of concerns. So we'll see how nasty this battle ends

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Speaker 2: up getting, how long it takes. But I would suspect

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Speaker 2: that by Wednesday of next week there will be a

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Speaker 2: new speaker.

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Speaker 1: And it's important to put it in the.

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Speaker 2: Larger context, which is, by Junior July of next year,

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Speaker 2: Congress is going to be done, So there may be

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Speaker 2: a lame duck Congress after the election in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four takes place, but the idea and less Republicans maintain

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Speaker 2: control of the House, which is actually the much bigger

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Speaker 2: story and less that happens, than whomever the speaker is,

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Speaker 2: who is selected next week in mid October, is going

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Speaker 2: to have a very short tenure because they're going to

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Speaker 2: Junior July of next year, and then we'll see who

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Speaker 2: ends up in control of the House. And that's the

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Speaker 2: big question is if there is there any lasting impact

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Speaker 2: from this going forward. I actually we're talking about this

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Speaker 2: off air, Buck. I actually feel better about Republican chances

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Speaker 2: to take back the Senate in some ways than I

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Speaker 2: do the House, because I think West Virginia is gonna flip,

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Speaker 2: I think Ohio is gonna flip, and I think there's

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Speaker 2: a good chance Montana flips. We need two out of

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Speaker 1: I think we have.

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Speaker 3: Twenty House seats right now on the GOP side that

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Speaker 3: come from states that Biden won, So there are a number.

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Speaker 1: I think that statistic is correct.

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Speaker 3: So there are a number of Republicans who may be

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Speaker 3: in more challenging congressional races going forward. And this is

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Speaker 3: why when people say it's a good thing a bad thing,

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 1: People.

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Speaker 3: The overwhelming sentiment we get today is McCarthy was a disappointment.

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Speaker 3: He was a rhino, shake up the system, kick him out.

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Speaker 3: If someone's asking me, is this a good thing? Beyond that,

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Speaker 3: I think it's impossible to tell right now, because I

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Speaker 3: problems that we have to think about, Like, first of all,

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Speaker 2: Here is what I think is going to end up

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Speaker 2: being a big issue as a part of this speaker discussion.

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Speaker 2: I think Ukraine is going to emerge back as a

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Speaker 2: to my knowledge, Democrats are pretty committed that they'll pay

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Speaker 2: whatever it takes to defend Ukraine. And this, to me

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Speaker 2: is the ultimate hypoxy right. Democrats will spend as much

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Speaker 2: will spend virtually nothing to defend the sanctity of our

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Speaker 2: when this whole process started. I think that is a

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Speaker 2: how much does that divide the Republican caucus because there is.

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Speaker 1: About I would say, would you agree with this?

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Speaker 2: In these numbers, there's roughly half of the Republican Party

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Speaker 2: I'm still willing to support spending on Ukraine. I think

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Speaker 2: the American public is actually much more divided on Ukraine

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Speaker 2: funding than the American political classes. I think it's about

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Speaker 2: fifty to fifty nation, maybe even trending towards Hey, I'm

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Speaker 2: and I don't know that I necessarily buy into that

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Speaker 2: if we start to cut funding to Ukraine that somehow

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a disaster. I actually think that could,

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Speaker 2: This is going to put Russia on its heel heels.

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Speaker 2: Nothing's happened twenty twenty three. There's been virtually no movement

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Speaker 2: almost no movement. And so if we said, hey, we're

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Speaker 2: not going to give Ukraine an unlimited checkbook, I could

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Speaker 2: see an argument that that's going to force Zolenski to

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Speaker 2: That's optimistic, but that is why I don't necessarily know

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Speaker 3: I think we should we should try to be very

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Speaker 3: let's say, a situation where the funding to Ukraine was cut.

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Speaker 3: I think it's very likely that Putin would be hard

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Speaker 3: you know, would get, if a deal is possible, it's

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Speaker 3: certainly going to be better while there's still US backing

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Speaker 1: Of the withdrawal of that backing, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: That's the I think the challenge is, and I wonder

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Speaker 2: how you would assess this. It doesn't seem like it's

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Speaker 2: ever going to end. And so if you use twenty

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Speaker 2: I think usually when stalemates happen is when solutions present

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Speaker 2: a commitment to future money, right, And so I think

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Speaker 2: that's going to end up being a big battleground. And

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure how that's going to play out as

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Speaker 2: amount of money that we're spending handover fist Ukraine is

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Speaker 2: actually a small part of the money that we are

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Speaker 2: unfortunately leaving in huge debt for generations to come. We're

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Speaker 3: I'd say one part of this that I have never

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Speaker 3: The angelis the seizure of Czechoslovakia That to me goes

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Speaker 3: and if We're going to put people in those situations.

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Speaker 3: It has to be because there's no other choice. If

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Speaker 3: we're going to continue to prop up Ukraine, we better

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Speaker 3: be damn sure we understand what success looks like, because

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Speaker 3: ad infinitum.

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Speaker 1: You remember I keep saying it.

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Speaker 3: I said this will We're going to hit a trillion

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Speaker 1: Here's a question for you, what about this proxy idea?

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Speaker 2: Every dollar that's spent on Ukraine and has been spent

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Speaker 2: in the past, has to also be spent on securing

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Speaker 2: our southern border. Now, it doesn't help the national debt,

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Speaker 2: but I think it puts the narrative argument of linking

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Speaker 2: the border security of the United States with the border

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Speaker 2: security of Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: You know, border security is it's complicated because on the

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Speaker 3: one hand, you say, oh, we'll have more resources, we'll

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Speaker 3: have more border security, but the people that are coming

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Speaker 3: into the country legally clay, they're flagging down border patrol. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I've seen this with my own eyes. It's it's not that,

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Speaker 3: the exploitation of the asylum regime is you don't turn

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Speaker 3: them around. Yeah, right, you always say this, We say

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. A couple

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Speaker 2: This is interesting. So CNN has a story up. This

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Speaker 1: Sure this is going to go well.

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Speaker 2: His legal bills have now topped ten million dollars in

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Speaker 1: They're saying he's going to spend a lot more.

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Speaker 3: I think we're forgetting here that all the man needs

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Speaker 1: That's all he has to do.

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Speaker 3: All he has to do is get out there, put

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Speaker 2: other story, Buck, and this ties in with the absurdity

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, this is what we're seeing in so many

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Speaker 3: all these videos of what it looks like in midtown

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Speaker 3: Manhattan right now in New York City, right in the

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Speaker 3: center of the city, and you have large numbers of

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Speaker 3: people men, women, and children who are clearly dependent upon

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Speaker 3: the resources given them, who are living in and living

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Speaker 3: in these hotels. And Kathy Hokeel thinks that the answer

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Speaker 3: to this is to try to get as many of

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Speaker 3: them into jobs as possible. And I just sit here

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Speaker 3: and say, the further into this we go without having

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Speaker 3: their hearings heard or having their their claims heard in

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Speaker 3: a court Clay, the less likely it is that they

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Speaker 3: will ever be expelled from the country, right, So delay

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Speaker 3: just makes it effectively inevitable that all these legal migrants

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Speaker 3: are going to end up staying in the country forever.

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Speaker 2: Here's a question for you, Buck. Pretend that you could

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Speaker 2: choose how you spent your tax dollars all at cart.

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Speaker 2: You could go through and click like, I want my

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Speaker 2: money going to this, I want my money going to that.

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Speaker 2: What percentage of Americans do you think would vote to

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Speaker 2: have their tax dollars go to support hotel rooms for

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Speaker 2: illegal immigrants. I think it's five or ten, because I

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Speaker 2: think I think even left wingers they like to say

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Speaker 2: things in theory, but they don't actually want their money

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Speaker 2: if they had the choice behind doing it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: and it's to me, that's a really revealing decision about

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Speaker 2: the disconnect between how your professional politicians. It's your money

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Speaker 2: that they're spending yours minds everybody who pays federal tax dollars. Oh,

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Speaker 2: by the way, only fifty percent of Americans even pay

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Speaker 2: federal tax, which is crazy to think about. I'm leaving

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Speaker 2: out so security. I'm talking about only roughly fifty percent

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Speaker 2: of Americans actually pay federal tax but the fifty percent

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Speaker 2: that does, I think five or ten percent would click.

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Speaker 2: If you had a LA cart and you went down

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Speaker 2: and you could just click, hey, do I want my

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Speaker 2: money to be going to this? Like? I think you

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Speaker 2: can still if I remember correctly on your tax return,

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Speaker 2: buck you can decide whether you want federal matching dollars

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Speaker 2: to go for campaigns like you can click that box

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Speaker 2: or not. I think that still goes on. It's the

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Speaker 2: only box I can remember where you get to choose

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Speaker 2: how some of your money may be allocated. I think

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Speaker 2: Democrats are pub wis independence. Almost no one if they

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Speaker 2: had the choice to spend their dollars, especially not if

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Speaker 2: they said, hey, you get this money back or it

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Speaker 2: goes to illegal immigrant hotel rooms.

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Speaker 1: I think almost no one would click. I wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: I don't want my money being spent on illegal immigrant

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Speaker 2: hotel rooms. There are lots of things I don't mind

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Speaker 2: my money being spent on. That's not one of them.

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Speaker 2: Why should I be paying to support people who are

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Speaker 2: not American citizens with my heart earned cash. I think

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Speaker 2: the vast majority of Americans would agree that that's that's

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Speaker 2: the right.

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Speaker 3: Definitely the vast majority of Americans. But there is a

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Speaker 3: there is an open borders contingent of the Democrat Party,

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Speaker 3: and really the leadership of the Democrat Party I think

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Speaker 3: you could rightly view as de facto open borders. I mean,

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Speaker 3: they don't want people to be told that they can't stay.

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Speaker 3: Every time someone talks about deportation, what do we get

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Speaker 3: the same moral blackmail about how, oh, it's so horrible

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Speaker 3: and you're breaking up families, and you know, they're not

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Speaker 3: being put in prison for twenty years. They're being sent

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Speaker 3: back to the country that is their home country that

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Speaker 3: they have citizenship with like this is and this has

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Speaker 3: talked about as though it's an unthinkable thing, even though

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Speaker 3: it goes on year in and year out. It's just

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Speaker 3: a question what the numbers are. Biden has dropped the

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Speaker 3: numbers down so much that it is almost irrelevant who's

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Speaker 3: being you know, it's irrelevant how many people are being deported,

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Speaker 3: because it's not it's a drop in the bucket. And

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Speaker 3: the inflow, as we've discussed, I think I've been saying

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Speaker 3: six million. Some people are saying now that based on

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Speaker 3: the calculations when you.

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Speaker 1: Add got aways, and you add.

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Speaker 3: It all together, it's already getting near like seven million,

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Speaker 3: seven million in change.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is crazy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, everyone understands we have a thirty three trillion

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Speaker 3: dollar debt and we have seven million legals coming into

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Speaker 3: the country in three years.

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Speaker 1: That's why people are so angry.

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Speaker 2: And what I'm hitting now I'm buck is I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of these people who claim that they wanted

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Speaker 2: are actually hypocrites and that if they had. First of all,

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Speaker 2: a lot of the people who claim that they want

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Speaker 2: the money to be spent aren't actually paying tax dollars, right,

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Speaker 2: So it's very easy to say, oh, yeah, of course

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Speaker 2: we should be spending it.

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Speaker 1: It's not your money. If you had to actually.

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Speaker 2: Pay for it and you had a choice, hey you

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Speaker 2: can get back two thousand dollars, or your two thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars can go to paying for illegal immigrant hotels. I

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Speaker 2: think five percent to ten percent of Americans who pay

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Speaker 2: taxes would actually vote to give money to pay for

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Speaker 2: illegal immigrants and hotels. But the fact that they're evicting

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Speaker 2: people who want to go to Army Navy because they're

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Speaker 2: taking over their hotel rooms, I mean, we're past the

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Speaker 2: can't even satirize some of these stories that are now

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Speaker 2: beginning to occur with these illegal immigrants. And it reminds

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Speaker 2: me buck of the same people who say, oh, go

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Speaker 3: You know, Clay, we're talking about this before Trump was

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Speaker 3: in his third day of his New York trial and

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Speaker 3: he left the courtroom saying that the judge is run

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Speaker 3: by Dems. And so he's left and he's already I mean,

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Speaker 3: there's supposed to be some kind of a gag order here,

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Speaker 3: and then also shut down the suggestion that he could

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Speaker 3: become become speaker here. But it seems to me like

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Speaker 3: we're likely to see Trump continue on to effectively push

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Speaker 3: and see if anyone's going to push back and do

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Speaker 3: anything about him talking.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Like he's basically dare one of these judges to try

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Speaker 3: to hold them in contempt. He's got a gag warner

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Speaker 3: on him, and he's going after the judge who's put

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Speaker 3: the gag warner on him.

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Speaker 1: So here's the question. Is this an intentional game plan?

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Speaker 2: I'm big on Look, you can kind of play you

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Speaker 2: know what, do you want to call four D chess?

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Speaker 2: You can try to set up the chess board to

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Speaker 2: favor you. Do you think that Trump has decided that

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Speaker 2: it is of value to him to have a gag

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Speaker 2: order and threatened with being put in prison over his

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Speaker 2: commentary during these trials or do you think because that's

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Speaker 2: option one? Or do you think option two is Trump

597
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Speaker 2: is so angry and no one can speak truth to Trump,

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Speaker 2: and so he is just firing off in all directions,

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Speaker 2: and there isn't a larger strategic game plan in place.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean I don't, I don't, and I don't

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Speaker 1: claim to know the answer.

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Speaker 2: So right, So if I were Trump's lawyer right now,

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Speaker 2: the challenge that you have is you have both a

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Speaker 2: political and a legal battle that is taking place, and

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Speaker 2: what is good for politics may not be good for legal.

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Speaker 1: Right, That's the challenge.

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Speaker 2: And there isn't a lot of precedent for this, and

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Speaker 2: so I can see how this is a politically beneficial decision,

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Speaker 2: but from a legal perspective, you're basically forcing.

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Speaker 1: The judge to put you in contempt.

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Speaker 2: It's like if you're a parent and you don't want

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Speaker 2: to ground your kid, but they keep egging you on.

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Speaker 2: Finally you say, all right, that's it. You've giving me

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Speaker 2: no other option. It seems to me that Trump is

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Speaker 2: intentionally trying to put the judge in that position. And

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Speaker 2: my question is is this a larger strategic plan or

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Speaker 2: is this like a kid who gets angry and can't

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Speaker 2: control him or herself and ends up getting himself in

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Speaker 2: more trouble.

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense to you?

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Speaker 2: I can't figure out what the exact plan is here.

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Speaker 3: Mean, I think you can make a case that it's

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Speaker 3: a little bit of both. Maybe yeah, he thinks that

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Speaker 3: he has some kind of a plan that he's executing on, but.

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Speaker 1: That really he's.

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Speaker 3: Also just really angry about what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Which I understand.

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Speaker 2: But you can't rip the judge publicly in the middle

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Speaker 2: of a case. I mean, that is every lawyer in

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Speaker 2: America would say that's not a good decision. And I

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Speaker 2: don't know. Again, strategically, if you decide, well, I want

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Speaker 2: the judge to put me in cuffs and hold me

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Speaker 2: in contempt of court because it's a great political move, is.

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Speaker 1: That the game plan?

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Speaker 2: Because it seems like he's trying to almost bully the

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Speaker 2: judge into having to do something, And I just wonder

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Speaker 2: is that intentional or is no one able to get

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Speaker 2: to him and say, hey, you're creating legal peril for yourself?

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Speaker 2: What is the game plan here? I just I would

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Speaker 2: love to know. If I were with Trump right now,

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Speaker 2: I would sit down with him and I would say, hey,

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Speaker 2: as a guy who's practice law, like walk me through.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to share it publicly, but what is

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Speaker 2: the strategy here? Because you are creating peril for yourself?

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Speaker 2: Is that the intent because you think politically it's valuable.

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Speaker 2: Walk me through what you're doing here, take me through

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Speaker 2: the chess moves or is this just emotion boiling over

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Speaker 2: and that's not a good move. Again, Anger's not a strategy.

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Speaker 2: I want there to be a strategy behind the anger

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Speaker 2: that motivates towards an end result that's better. And I'm

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Speaker 2: just trying to figure it out in my own head.

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Speaker 2: What's the game plan?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: See, I mean you, you probably will have a fine

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Speaker 3: against Donald Trump first and foremost. That's the likeliest thing

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Speaker 3: that this judge might do if this continues, you know,

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Speaker 3: beyond that, this is where you get into a judge

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Speaker 3: for contempt, then decide to keep you in a jail

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Speaker 3: cell for a couple of days, which I don't know

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Speaker 3: if this judge is willing to go there. But Clay

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Speaker 3: again uncharted territory on so many things.

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Speaker 2: Lawyers sometimes lose their temper too. And I bet every

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Speaker 2: lawyer out there listening can remember when a judge has

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Speaker 2: put an actual warrior in court because he's like, hey,

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Speaker 2: you need to stop right now. You're acting out in

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Speaker 2: a courtroom. You're fired up, your blood's up. And finally,

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Speaker 2: the judge says, yeah, we're going to have to put you.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm holding union contempt. We're going to put

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Speaker 2: you in a jumb sell. I mean, it doesn't happen

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Speaker 2: very often, but it's kind of a crazy thing, and

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's where we're heading.

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Speaker 3: I think we're heading into crazy times too. More tomorrow, everybody,

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Speaker 3: Thank you,