1 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Farming is a difficult 2 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: way of life and no other type of farming is 3 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: as hard as hog farming. I'm sun up to sundown 4 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: and sometimes in the middle of the night you have 5 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: to tend to the hogs that you're going to bring 6 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: to market. That was life that the Mullus family lived 7 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: in Iowa. It was the life that they lived and 8 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:48,319 Speaker 1: it resulted in the death of Amy Mollis. Today we're 9 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: going to talk about her homicide. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan 10 00:00:54,520 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: and this is Bodydown with Me Today is my good 11 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:08,279 Speaker 1: friend Jackie Howard, executive producer of crime Stories. Would Nancy Grace, Jackie, 12 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: what can you tell us about this case out of Iowa. 13 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: Amy Mullis was a thirty nine year old farmer's wife 14 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: and she was found impaled on a corn rake in 15 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: the shed on her family farm. Her thirteen year old son, Tristan, 16 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: had been sent into the shed by his father and 17 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: the husband, Todd Mullis, and the thirteen year old found 18 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: Amy Mullis impaled on a corn rake. Again in the shed, 19 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: Tristan scraamed for his father and when Todd arrived, he 20 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: removed the rake from her back, put her his wife, 21 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: Amy Mullis, into the truck, and started racing for the 22 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: hospital and called nine one one. Once she was at 23 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: the hospital, Amy Mullis could not be revived. The question then, 24 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: as the autopsy was done, was this an accident or murder? 25 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: So we're gonna unfold this case, but let's talk about 26 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: a couple of things right off the bat First, what 27 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: is being impaled? It's not something that you commonly come 28 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 1: across in everyday conversation, though, is that you know, we 29 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: think about when people die as a result of what 30 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: we refer to in forensics as sharp force injuries. That 31 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: generally involves something like stabbing, which means an instrument that 32 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: is an edged weapon, you know, like a knife single edge, 33 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: or maybe you have a knife that is a double 34 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: edged knife. Commonly, that's what we think of, but this 35 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: is something completely different. Impalement many times, and not every time, 36 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: but many times, it has almost an accidental connotation to it, 37 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: and it generally means that someone falls back on a 38 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: penetrating object or falls onto a penetrating object. And we 39 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: heard this term coming up over and over again, particularly 40 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: early on with with this particular case over the years 41 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: and the months that this thing kind of ground through 42 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: the court system. But this is what's kind of interesting 43 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 1: about impalement. Impalement, you know, as I said, generally implies 44 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: many times an accidental event. You know, I've worked cases 45 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 1: where I've had car accidents where people have been impaled 46 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: on pieces of metal, for instance, inside of vehicles. I've 47 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: had people that have taken great falls off of buildings 48 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: and this sort of thing and have been impaled on 49 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: an object. But impalement actually goes back in our history 50 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: for hundreds and hundreds of years. It's actually a form 51 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: of torture, and it was actually a form of execution. 52 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: People would be impaled and generally on a stake of 53 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: some kind or a metal rode. But in this particular 54 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: case that the implement that we're talking about is kind 55 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: of interesting. Jackie's it's called a corn raak, which you know, 56 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: many people might not be familiar with. It is an 57 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: usual instrument. But if you think about a pitchfork, most 58 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: people are or have an image in their mind of 59 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: what a pitchfork is, if nothing else, from the famous 60 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: painting of the man and woman standing holding a pitchfork 61 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: in front of their house. So, a pitchfork is a 62 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: metal utensil on a usually a wooden handle that's lengthy 63 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: that's used to help make it easier to move product 64 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: or produce of some kind. So what kind of an 65 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: injury are we going to see with a corn rake? 66 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: It is a four tined instrument, which means it has 67 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: four prongs. Pick it up from there, Joe, Yeah, you know, Jackie, 68 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: it's a unique instrument. You know, you were talking about pitchforks, 69 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: and pitchforks if our listeners will just kind of think 70 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: about the same action that goes into say, shoveling something, 71 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,239 Speaker 1: you can kind of marry that up with an image 72 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: of somebody using a pitchfork, But a corn rake is 73 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: something that is completely different. And keep in mind the 74 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: Mullus family, they were hog farmers. A matter of fact, 75 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: this property they have is vast and they've got these 76 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: two gigantic sheds that are on the property. Call them 77 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,239 Speaker 1: shed implies that it's some kind of tiny little dwell 78 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: and it's not. It's there's the size of what you 79 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: would think of commercial chicken houses, I think, and there's 80 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: two of them. And within these sheds they raised they 81 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: raised hogs, and of course they would start out with 82 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: piglets and you know, raise them up from a young age. 83 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: And of course what is it that hogs famously eat. Well, 84 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: some people might say everything, But in this particular case, 85 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: you know, you you feed them corn, and many times 86 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: the corn it's still whole corn. This corn is still 87 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: on the cob. And so when you're using a corn rake, 88 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: you contain the corn cobs, say, for instance, in a crib. 89 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: You've heard people have heard this term a corn and 90 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: in order to get the corn out of the crib, 91 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: you have to rake it out, just like you use 92 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: a rake to rake leaves. Only these four times are 93 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: bent on this corn rake at about a ninety degree angle, 94 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: and they're they're kind of sharp, very pointed on the end, 95 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: and they're ghastly. You know, these things are ghastly when 96 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: you look at them, because they're roughly about it looks 97 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: to be about five six maybe seven inches in length, 98 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: and then the times the distance between each one is 99 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: about two to three inches, so it looks like a 100 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: gigantic claw, if you'll just imagine it like that. And 101 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: certainly the penetrative ability of one of these times could 102 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: send it deep deep within the body. And you know, 103 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: when I've viewed this corn rake on several occasions. It 104 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: was admitted into evidence in the subsequent trial, and it 105 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: is I've used the term I think ghastly before, but 106 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: you have to when you take a look at it 107 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: and see this thing, and it's it's old, it's been 108 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: used for a long long time. It does have a 109 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: wooden handle, and it's it's weathered in appearance, and even 110 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: the times of this implement are rusty, and in a 111 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: couple of the crime scene images you can still see 112 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: where blood has tracked down a couple of these times 113 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: and still remain there even when the cops got there 114 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: to take photos at the scene. Just to clarify one 115 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: point for our listeners, Joe, when you say corn crib, 116 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: you are actually talking about a barn. This is not 117 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: like a little manger there was something that hogs eat 118 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: out of. You're actually talking about a barn. Yeah. Yeah, 119 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: and generally in a large storage area where if you 120 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: can and you know, you have to think about this. 121 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: This is this is a full on industrial operation that 122 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: you've had that you have here. It's like I said 123 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: in my opening, this is a twenty four or seven job. 124 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: And so when you're gonna feed this many hogs, and 125 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: keep in mind they eat constantly, they would deliver corn, 126 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: say for instance, or feed in the back of a 127 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: large truck and essentially dump it into the storage area 128 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: where it would be kept. And then you would take 129 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: this corn rake literally. Remember I talked about how it 130 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: acts like a claw, grab the feed and draw it 131 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: out like that. So this is an implement that had 132 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: been used for a long time. I suspect that there 133 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: was probably in an operation this size, there was probably 134 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: more than one there on that property, Joe, And looking 135 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: at the injuries that would have resulted, Let's just say 136 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: you fall on a corn rake or a pitchfork, those 137 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: injuries are going to be a little bit different because 138 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: of the slant of the times. Now, we again do 139 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: know that the times are metal, and they can be 140 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: anywhere from four to six or seven inches long. So, 141 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: given the shape of this instrument and what it is 142 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: used for and the length of those tines, what kind 143 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: of injuries or punctures could we expect. It's not long 144 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: enough to go all the way through the body, But 145 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: what can we expect in that type of an injury. Well, 146 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: there's a couple of things that we're going to look for. 147 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: And the more you know at autopsy, you know, when 148 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: you're examining these kind of wounds, and much like much 149 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 1: like a bullet wound, you know, we think about the 150 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: angle of travel or the you know, the essentially the 151 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: trajectory of the round as it passes through the body. 152 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: It's no different here, Jackie. We do many times the 153 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: same thing. For instance, would stab wounds, we examine and 154 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: trace actually the direction of travel of an object as 155 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: it passes through the body. So when when we're looking 156 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: at a body that has been impaled, like Amy Modus's 157 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: body would would be It's not uncommon for us, say, 158 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: for instance, to take a dowel rode, a very thin 159 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: wooden rod for instance, and place it into the defect 160 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: and just imagine this, and sometimes there'll be multicolored and 161 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: you run this rod, this dowal rod, into the wound itself, 162 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: and you can, if you take the photo just right, 163 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: you can get an idea of the angle of injury. 164 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: And you you document those those dowal rods as they're 165 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: coming out. We take a picture of these rods in place, 166 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: so that when we go to court with a case 167 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: like this, we can demonstrate this photographically and it's it's 168 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: quite striking when you see it. Now. For us when 169 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out what happened at the scene, 170 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: it gives us an idea of the relationship between the victim, 171 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: the object that's used, and of course in this case 172 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: it's it's this corner rate and then of course the 173 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: potential perpetrator in a particular case. You know, how were 174 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: they oriented to the individual when when this particular event 175 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: took place, and right you are when you're talking about 176 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: how deep these times can penetrate into a body, And 177 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: just to give you an idea, when the forensic pathologists 178 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: did the examination on Amy Mulus's body, shield pined at 179 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: that particular time that these times entered through what's referred 180 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: to as an intercostal space. And I'd like everybody that's 181 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: listening right now to find just touch your ribs on 182 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: the side and the kind of meaty portion that's in 183 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: between each one of your ribs. That's an intercostal space. 184 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: So it's it's it's muscle that it passes through. It 185 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: passes through the muscle, the rib the muscle. Okay, then 186 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: it goes through along then it goes through a liver, 187 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: and then it goes through the diaphragm. Now just think 188 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: about that, all of that involvement, and not only when 189 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: that implement is tracking through all of those major bodies 190 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: of the deceased, it's also tracking through all of those 191 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: little vessels. And there's tons and tons of these micro 192 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: vessels that are existent within our body. Joe, how long 193 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: would the times have to be to immediately hit a 194 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: vital organ in the body. Not too desperately long. And 195 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: let's keep in mind these injuries that Amy Mullis sustained. 196 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: And I do say that these are injuries, not injury, 197 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: singular injuries plural. It can potentially be a shallow, a 198 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: shallow track that it's going through, but it doesn't take 199 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: too much depth to essentially pierce the back of the 200 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: lung and then drive through the dome, the diaphragm dome 201 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 1: that's just beneath the lung and into the top of 202 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: the liver. Those things are actually located very very close 203 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: to one another, so it's not that it goes as 204 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: much deep as you're headed towards the front of the body. 205 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: But even a shallow strike like that as it's tracking downward, 206 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: and that's the important part here. As it's tracking downward, 207 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: can clip all of those organs, and of course you 208 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: clip all of the vessels that are associated with it. 209 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: So if Amy Mollis's lung was clipped, her lungs would 210 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: have immediately began filling with blood, making it difficult for 211 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: her to breathe. Yeah. Yeah, what you're going to have is, 212 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: first off, if you think about your chest, your chest 213 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: is obviously because without saying but I'll say it anyway, 214 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: it's a sealed area. So people develop what's referred to 215 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: as a pneumothorax. So when you penetrate that kind of 216 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: sealed area, you're allowing the air to come out and 217 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: come in, and it compromises anyway, the ability of the 218 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: lungs to take up oxygen and release oxygen. And then 219 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: on top of that, you're insulting the lung by puncturing it. 220 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: So you've got this kind of twofold event that's going on. 221 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: You've really got a problem here. Whenever you injure the 222 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: chest like this, you're not just opening up this space 223 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: around the lung, which is actually called the plural space, 224 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: but you're going into the lung itself, which contains a 225 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: lot of vessels. Those vessels are clipped, so right you 226 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: are when you talk about this kind of indwelling hemorrhage 227 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: that's going on within the lung tissue what's called the 228 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: interstitial tissue. But on top of that, on top of that, 229 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: all of those little micro vessels that you've clipped passing 230 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: through that intercostal space on the back of this individual, 231 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: that blood is now diving into that open area around 232 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: the lung where it should just be air. In that space, 233 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: now it's filling up with fluid as well. So you've 234 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: got a lot to deal with. If you're, say, for instance, 235 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: a person that's a trauma surgeon or a trauma er 236 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: nurse and this sort of thing where you're trying to 237 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: save this person's life, you're having to put out multiple 238 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: fires at the same time. You know, the Mollushawg Farm, 239 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: It's this vast property and had all these these newer 240 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: buildings on it, but there was one little building that 241 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: was there. It's been termed the red shed that's out 242 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: there on this property. And I can't even begin to 243 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: imagine the horror of thirteen year old Tristan when he 244 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: walked through the door and he found his mother laying 245 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: there on the floor under sponsor Jackie. It would have 246 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: been terrifying, I'm sure, especially for a teenager, and again 247 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: he screamed for his father. Todd came in, found his 248 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: wife and Joe. He pulled the rake out of her back. 249 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: She was again impact with this rake still sticking in 250 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: her back, and he pulled it out to take her 251 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: to the hospital. If I'm understanding my Red Cross training, 252 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: anytime that you are impaled with something, you're supposed to 253 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: leave it in. Why. Yeah. Absolutely. If Amy Mullis was 254 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: to have any shot at life after this event, it 255 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: vanished when that rake was removed. Of course, at that 256 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: point in time, we don't really know what the status 257 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: was of her breathing and heart rate and all that 258 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: sword thing when Todd Mullis came upon her body. But 259 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: I do know that if you want a survivable event 260 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: with an impalement with an indwelling object, that you have 261 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: to leave it in. The reason is is that all 262 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: those micro vessels that I mentioned just a moment ago 263 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: are essentially, at least for the moment sealed, they're sealed off. 264 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: They're not going to begin to really leak out at 265 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: that point in time. But the moment you put your 266 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: hand to that object and you withdraw it from the body, 267 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: you open the floodgates. Literally. It's it's you have this 268 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: huge dump of blood that goes into that plural space 269 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: around the lung and any other organs that may have 270 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,719 Speaker 1: been penetrated. And what we do know is that, you know, 271 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: the lung and the diaphragm, which has its own blood 272 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: supply it's a muscle, and the liver we're all impacted 273 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: by this injury, you know. And you can't forget about 274 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: the liver here. The liver is very very vascular. A 275 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: matter of fact, probably next to next to the brain. 276 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: It's probably the most vascular organ in the body. That 277 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: means that it requires a tremendous amount of blood flow. 278 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: So you've got all kinds of little vessels that are 279 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: in dwelling in there. And once that that corn raake 280 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: was removed, suddenly at that moment time you had this 281 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: flood of blood that was just filling her up inside. 282 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: I find it kind of interesting that Todd Mullis described 283 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 1: himself in one way as a quote unquote doer. You know, 284 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm I'm implied. I'm a man of action, you know, 285 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to try to do everything that I can't 286 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: save my wife's life. And at that moment, tom uh 287 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: he robbed her of any opportunity to live. Beyond that point, 288 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: would it have been that Amy Mullus bled to death 289 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: or that she drowned as we were talking about, with 290 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: her lungs and body filling up with blood or is 291 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: there a distinction there. It's more of a combination, you know, 292 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: when you begin to look at you know the totality 293 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: of these injuries, because they are extensive. Let's just take 294 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: the lung for instance. It can no longer inflate, all right, 295 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: it can't take on air, it can't expire, it can't 296 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: push air out at that point in time. And going 297 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: to that point, you've got a die forragim it's a 298 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: big this big muscle which helps us with inhalation and 299 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: exhalation as well. Well. It's compromised now too, isn't it. 300 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: So it's not going to be able to perform. And 301 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: then the liver, I think in this case it is 302 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: probably secondary to the diaphragm and the lungs. Yeah, the 303 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: liver is critical and you're bleeding out from that area. 304 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: But in the immediate, in the acute sense, the fact 305 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 1: that this lung has been damaged so desperately, the diaphragm 306 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: has essentially been pinned down so that it can't rise 307 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 1: and fall. Remember, it's got a metal object that's been 308 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: driven through it. It's not going to be able to 309 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: operate effectively. And so that coupled with this flood of 310 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: blood internally, it's just a hellish combination here. And of 311 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: course it's a recipe for death. As we mentioned before, 312 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: doctor Kelly Cruz, who performed the autopsy on Amy's body, 313 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: said the cause of death was sharp force injuries of 314 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: the Torso so explained to me, actually what that means. 315 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: I know you've gone over it a little bit before, 316 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: But if I was a corner and I saw this 317 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: listed cause of death, sharp force injuries of the torso, 318 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: what does that actually tell me? Well, in this particular case, 319 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: what she's drawing attention to specifically is you know, I 320 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: think most people are gonna say sharp force injuries. You're 321 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: talking about a knife or a machette, or even a 322 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: sword in some cases, a hatchet where somebody's been hacked 323 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: to death but she's saying short, sharp force injuries. And 324 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 1: this goes to an actual description of this corn rak, 325 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: and at an elemental level, it goes to the individual 326 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: times Jackie, these times I encourage anybody here, don't believe 327 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, go look it up. You can see. 328 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: You can see images of this corn rak all over 329 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: the web. They've got very very sharp points there. They're 330 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: in a delta shape. It comes to a point just 331 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: like an arrow, essentially, and there's four of these things. 332 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: And so when she's saying it, saying sharp force injury, 333 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: these are being driven through her. And I guess the 334 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: closest thing I could really compare it to like a spike, 335 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: only four of them at the same time, with of 336 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: course a smaller diameter, but like a spike nonetheless. And 337 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: so these penetrative injuries that are driving forth or clipping 338 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: all of these vessels and then doing great damage to 339 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: all of these organs. At the same time, we know 340 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: that Amy Mullis had had a medical procedure a few 341 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: days before. The family members said that she had been 342 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 1: dizzy a few days before. How did this play into 343 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: her death or did it? You know? When I heard 344 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: that they had put this idea for that she had 345 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: had a medical procedure just a few days prior to you. 346 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: You begin to try to factor all of this in 347 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: relative to well, how does this impact impact these wounds 348 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: that she may have had on her body. And I 349 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: think one of the one of the narratives that was 350 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: put forward by both Todd Mullis and of course Tristan 351 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: had mentioned this too, is that Amy had complained of 352 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,719 Speaker 1: feeling dizzy and it was at that point in time 353 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: that Mullis Todd Mullis had told had told her, you 354 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: need to go into the house and rest, and this 355 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: was as a result of this procedure she had undergone. However, 356 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: I gotta say, Jackie, with how extensive these injuries were 357 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: that she sustained, I don't care what your medical procedure 358 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: was that you had had just a few days prior 359 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: to this. These are without a team of cardiothoracic surgeons 360 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: right there, and and the fact that this instrument had 361 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: been removed from her, this injury would not have been 362 00:22:45,359 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: survivable by the most healthy amoments. Now, you know, we 363 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: talked about this corneraking relative to the kind of injuries 364 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: that can generate and that's not the only interesting issue 365 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: relative to this implement because I gotta tell you, as 366 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: the forensic pathologists began to test file on the stand, 367 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: we found out some pretty interesting information about the tracks 368 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: of these wounds and also the number of them we 369 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: did Joe, and that was part of what led to 370 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: Todd Mullin's arrest for the murder of his wife. Joe, 371 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 1: the forensic pathologist who performed the autopsy on Amy's body 372 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: pointed out that there were six let me say that 373 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: one more time, at least six punctured wounds in Amy's 374 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: upper body. Yeah, isn't that something? And how many times 375 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: do we have? Let me see mass hard but I 376 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: think it was four. We had four times on this 377 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: corn rate that they have admitted into evidence. And I'm sorry, 378 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: a four time corn rate cannot make or generate six 379 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: injuries in one blow. So it takes us down this 380 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: trail here relative to the physical evidence that we have 381 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: in what we're observing into morgue. You know, after the 382 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: wounds have been cleaned up, everything that's been removed that 383 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: might impede our ability to truly observe this these injuries 384 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 1: as they should be observed and document them. After all 385 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: that's been cleared away, we can actually appreciate that there 386 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: are six different what we refer to as punk Tate injuries. 387 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: That's a term that's used by forensic mythologists, punk tate 388 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: injuries that essentially means puncture wounds that go through the 389 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: body are into the body. And when doctor Cruz really 390 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: really did a great job on the stand when she's 391 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: described and these because the one thing she really brought 392 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: out Jackie in this case was the fact that she 393 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: could appreciate the fact that not only was miss Mullet 394 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: struck once with this corn right, but apparently the corn 395 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: rate based upon remember how we talked about trajectory earlier, 396 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: in the path of these tides, it had been removed, 397 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 1: the individual that wielded this instrument, readjusted their body in 398 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: relation to Amy's body and struck again because you had 399 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: two separate angles that these times are traveling through the 400 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: body at now. You cannot physically sustain these kinds of 401 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: injuries by simply falling on this corn rak one time. 402 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: And I am not buying it that she suddenly got up, 403 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: removed the corn rake and then laid it on the 404 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: ground and then fell on it a second time. That's 405 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: empirically impossible. You can't do that, certainly, judging by the 406 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: nature of these injuries that she had sustained. And you know, 407 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: I got to say kudos to the investigators on this 408 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: case because they did something that many times you people 409 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: fail to do, or it happens by accident when Amy 410 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: Molliss's body or when she arrived at the emergency room. 411 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: One of the things that takes place in an emergency room, 412 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: particularly in trauma cases, is the emergency room staff is 413 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: not there to preserve forensic evidence. Everybody needs to understand 414 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: that they're there to do what they're there to save lives, 415 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: and God bless them for doing that. So the one 416 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: thing that they do is they whip out the scissors, right, 417 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: and they start cutting clothes away. Unfortunately, in this case, 418 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: they cut up the front of Amy Molliss's shirts that 419 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: she had on too. Well, she had one shirt like 420 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: a T shirt and then she had a sweatshirt on 421 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: top of that. But they saved them, and that's important. 422 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: It's very important because the corner for that county actually 423 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: collected those items at the emergency room and brought those 424 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: to the morgue. So that when doctor Cruz did her 425 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: initial examination at autopsy, she was able to lay each 426 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: one of these items of clothing out and closely examine 427 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: them and make note of the little defects which are 428 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: the punt tight holes that passed through the fabric, and 429 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: try to match those up actually with the injuries to 430 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: the flesh itself. And not only does she have one 431 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: example of this, she's got two because we've got we 432 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: have layered clothing at this point in time. So now 433 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: just imagine you've got multiple punt tate injuries, not just 434 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: to the flesh, but you've got it to a T 435 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: shirt and you've got it to an overlying sweatshirt as well. 436 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: And she was able to take images of these with scale, 437 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: which means that you take a ruler and you place 438 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: it adjacent to these openings in the clothing and over 439 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: the wounds himself, and it gives you an idea of 440 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: the depth. That gives you an idea of the breadth 441 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: of these injuries. And so the people that are on 442 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: the stand when they're looking at these things, they understand, oh, okay, 443 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: the relationship between the corn rake and the distance between 444 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: those times, and the relationship between that and the injuries 445 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: on the body. They can see that it kind of 446 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: marries up. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to do this. 447 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: It's very it's very logical as it's laid out, and 448 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: doctor Cruz did a fine job of this. The clothing 449 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: wasn't all that was saved for forensic examination, No, it wasn't. 450 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: And we have to bear this in mind. Remember Amy 451 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: Mollis's body was transported to the hospital by Todd Mollis. 452 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: She's gone through all of these life saving measures where 453 00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: they've attempted to bring her back when when they got 454 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: their hands on her at the emergency room, her clothing 455 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: has been cut away at this point. And oh, by 456 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: the way, the infamous corn rake, it was pulled out 457 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: of everybody and it was left there at the scene. 458 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: So as the police began to process this scene out there, 459 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: and what they would have done is taken overall photographs 460 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: of that corn rake in that little red shed in there. 461 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: They would have taken it overall photos so that you 462 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,959 Speaker 1: could see the position of the rake itself in relation 463 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: to all of the walls around there, any kind of 464 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: blood droplets that are on the ground, the initial position 465 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: in which they observed the rate. Remember, you're not supposed 466 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: to touch it out there, you just leave it in 467 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: place and take photos. But after they did that, Jackie, 468 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: they collected this thing up and they brought it to 469 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: the medical examiner's office so that the forensic pathologists could 470 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: actually examine the instrumentality that was used. Now, you know, 471 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: having worked in medical examiner's offices and Corners offices my 472 00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: entire career, this is one of the the greatest bits 473 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: of assistance that we can receive from a crime scene, 474 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: because you know, we're not always fortunate enough as medical 475 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: legal personnel to go out to a scene, particularly if 476 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: there's not a body there. So it's very abstract. Remember, 477 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: the forensic pathologists was not out at the scene. She's 478 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: taking in all of this information that's coming into her 479 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: from the police and the emergency room staff and all 480 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. So the fact that they would 481 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: bring this evidence into doctor Cruz's autopsy suite and allow 482 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: her to examine not just the clothing and not just 483 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,959 Speaker 1: the body, but actually the implement that was used is priceless, 484 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely priceless. Okay, but what does that actually do for 485 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: the forensic pathologist, Joe. I mean, you've got Obviously they've 486 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: got to match things up. How do they do that? 487 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: What does having this rake offer them that they normally 488 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't have. Well, you know, in forensic science we talk 489 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: about things that are within the scientific realm of possibility. Okay, 490 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: you know what's real and what's not. Is this even 491 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: a possibility? And so you know, first off, the physician, 492 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: I can only imagine she probably would have taken that 493 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: corn rake and held it up on edge. Remember, this 494 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: thing is at a ninety degree angle, is kind of 495 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: odd in its shape, and she would have considered that 496 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: by holding it over the injuries themselves to see is 497 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: it possible that this implement could have generated these wounds? 498 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: And it would have taken some time for her to 499 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: have done this. In the autopsy suite, it probably a 500 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: couple of hours. There would have been a lot of 501 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: measurements that would have been taken place, and she would 502 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: have considered this based upon the physical injuries that she's 503 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: observing on Amy Mollis's back and then comparing that to 504 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: the dimensions of the corn rake. Remember you're thinking about 505 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: these times being maybe two to three inches in width. 506 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: That means the distance that they are apart. And then 507 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: the overall length of this thing and holding it in 508 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: her hand, she can get an idea. It's very tactile. 509 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: She gets an idea of the weight of this thing 510 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: and what would it have taken. You know, And I, 511 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: you know, when I consider this and I think about 512 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: what happened to Amy Mullis, this is an event, at 513 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: least in my to my way of thinking, that she 514 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: was probably not driven down onto this thing as much 515 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: as it was driven into her maybe as she was 516 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: laying on her front or on the anterior aspect of 517 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: her body and it was driven down into her back. 518 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: Some of this can be evidence now. I think it was. 519 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: One of the things that doctor Cruz the Friends of 520 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: Pathologists brought out is that on the left aspect of 521 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: Amy Mollis's face, along her left jawline, there was a 522 00:32:53,000 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: severely abraided area almost consistent, almost consistent would say, her 523 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: the left side of her head being driven into the ground, 524 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: pressure being applied, almost as if she is being held 525 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: in place as this is going on. Todd Mullis was 526 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: a big man. He was a powerful man. There was 527 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: also evidence, and I think this is kind of interesting 528 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: as well as abrasions and contusions on the backs of 529 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: Amy Mollis's hands and arms, So that gives you an 530 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: idea that she had an awareness that she was maybe 531 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: making an attempt to fight back in these ghastly sets 532 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: of circumstances. What we found out during Todd Mollis's trial 533 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: is that Amy Mullis was having an affair. And one 534 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: of the things that Todd answered questions about when he 535 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: took the stand was his Google searches on his iPad, 536 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: which included phrases such as killing unfaithful women, what happened 537 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: to cheating spouses in historic Aztec tribes? And did ancient 538 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: cultures kill alls? Now, I know you're not a computer 539 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: forensics person, Joe, but how did all of this information 540 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:13,879 Speaker 1: gathered together to come into Todd's conviction for murders. It's 541 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: a perfect combination of physical evidence and circumstantial evidence, I mean, 542 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: and it's for those in the forensic world, those of 543 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: us that go out and gather evidence, whether it be 544 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: digital evidence like on a phone or a computer or 545 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: some other type of device, or if it is actually 546 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: examining a body that's been just just traumatized beyond anything 547 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: that someone can possibly imagine. It's the totality of all 548 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: of that data coming together. So what and it's all dependent. 549 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: None of that stuff works. And I want to say 550 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: this plainly, none of that stuff works unless you have 551 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: a good prosecutor. Because it's not the forensic pathologists, you know, job, 552 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: it's not the digital forensics person's job to develop a 553 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: narrative and tell the tale of what actually happened. That 554 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: that's the responsibility of the prosecutor. They have to be 555 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: sharp enough to take all of this data that we 556 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: put together in our world, this big umbrella that we fall, 557 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: you know, fall beneath in forensics, take all of that data, 558 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: be sharp enough to take it and tell the tale 559 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: of what actually happened. You know, remember there was in 560 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: the end, you know, Todd Mullis wound up in jail. 561 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: But in the end there were two witnesses to this 562 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: actual event, and you know, Todd Mullis was one of them, 563 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: and the other witnesses dead. Now, Todd Mullis was convicted 564 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: for the murder of his wife and sentenced to life 565 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: in prison. However, he still claims that he did not 566 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: murder his wife. You sit back and you think about 567 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: this farm that had you know, that had existed for 568 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: years and years and years, and though I'm sure a 569 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: little smelly because it was a dog farm, it's a 570 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: Bucolic area, beautiful area of our country, and I don't 571 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: think that anybody in that community will soon forget how 572 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: brutal and horrible Amy Molliss's death was. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, 573 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 1: and this, this body backs