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Speaker 2: Well Up everybody and welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am your host, Chris Raybon.

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Speaker 2: I'll be joined by my dude, Sean Kerner to break

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Speaker 2: But I do think he'll have some like eight catch games,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those eight catch games could happen when Chris Godwin

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Speaker 1: receiver two value. Uh, Gronk? You so you like buying

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Speaker 2: He's round tight end fifteen right now, but he's going,

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Speaker 2: depending on ADP, just essentially outside of the top twelve

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Speaker 2: you like buying on Gronk? Who is more more than

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Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously it depends on league format, but I think

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Speaker 1: I think he is likely to return, just breeding the

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Speaker 1: So he's the guy just you can just buy the

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Speaker 1: I do, so I have him priced out as my

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Speaker 1: he's going to retire. But this earlier, in this, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's he should be no lower than

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Speaker 2: tight end six if I mean, I'm not saying he

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Speaker 2: he would be no lower than tight end six, like

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Speaker 2: he would. The only guys that would be above him

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Speaker 2: And even then, you know, you know, if we if

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Speaker 2: just been kind of yeah and has a new quarterback

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Speaker 1: I should say so, Yeah, Gronk, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, he had his highest catches per game and yards

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Speaker 1: So and tight.

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Speaker 2: Ends actually don't like people think tight ends are just

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Speaker 1: So I think you talk about taking a chance.

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Speaker 2: I love what you're saying with just buying a dip

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Speaker 2: on Gronk because I mean he has realistically overall tight

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Speaker 2: last year I think he was in like our top one,

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Speaker 2: top two, top three. So there's, yeah, Gronk is definitely

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Speaker 2: the guy to buy to dip on. But that's what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like that's a sensible risk. Like Chris Godwin

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Speaker 2: I'm approaching the Like I'm much more likely to take

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And we talked about the tight end really

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Speaker 1: I think he's probably my favorite sleeper right now. What

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna gonna rate Gronk and Brady below TJ.

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Speaker 2: Hockinson and Jared Gottough right, Goddard and Gronk and Brady

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Speaker 2: He's gonna be the tight end no lower than six. Like, well,

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Speaker 2: don't don't tell you about Hurts and Goddter.

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Speaker 1: But I take your point. I take your point.

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Speaker 2: where do you think you would have cam Brait.

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Speaker 1: That's a good question. He would certainly be in the

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Speaker 1: There was a lot better you know, receiving talent out

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Speaker 1: He himself is not that talented, like he's not gonna

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, I mean, I think they view

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Speaker 1: Actually, I think they compared to the other guys in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Aton is actually more of the long

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Speaker 1: He signed a three year, twenty one million dollar deal.

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Speaker 2: I believe it was any concern of a potential letdown

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Speaker 1: Not really, especially at RB twelve. I mean, we were

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Speaker 1: I know Rashaud White and Keisha and Vaughan and Joe

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Speaker 2: He had thirteen attempts and six targets per game last year,

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Speaker 2: final you know, he was kind of a risk, a

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Speaker 1: All right. Yeah, and you mentioned you know White, Vaughn

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Speaker 2: that's the guy who if somebody goes overdrafted, it's gonna

433
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 2: be him. He's got the highest ADP already of those

434
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 2: three backs. Do you foresee White, you know, kind of

435
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 2: being on an active roster and being that number two

436
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 2: guy to Forte, Do you think he's gonna have to

437
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 2: work for it because you know, Geo would be the

438
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 2: pass catching back, and then Vaughan is just like play

439
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 2: special team. So I don't think it's like a foregone

440
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 2: conclusion that all three of these guys actually make the

441
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 2: roster or are active every week.

442
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's definitely a mercury situation. I think White

443
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 1: probably has the most upside out of those three, but

444
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: it's it's asking a lot for you know, Tom Brady

445
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: to feel comfortable with the rookie running back in on

446
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, third down doing pass protection.

447
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: But that's that's white specialty. He is a pass catching back,

448
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 2: so that's his way, not protect pass catching back.

449
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm not saying yeah, I'm saying that he's

450
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 1: gonna have to be a good pass protector to really

451
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,640
Speaker 1: get those snaps, and Tom Brady will ultimately decided that fate.

452
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 1: So and we saw last year Joe Bernard didn't really

453
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 1: mix in at all, and he's a season you know,

454
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 1: solid veteran in that role. So I think that Brady

455
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 1: just prefers to have Hournt out there all the time.

456
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 1: So I think if Tournette were to miss time, I mean,

457
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: it would just be a mess. I think Vaughn you know,

458
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: would see more of the early down work and White.

459
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 1: White would probably push you know, RB three flex upside,

460
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 1: but I just think at his ADP, there's way better,

461
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: there's more upside backs in that range if there were

462
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 1: to be an injury in their backfield than White, because

463
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 1: like like I said, even if Fournette goes down, it's

464
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: still murky. So I'm kind of off White as a

465
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 1: rookie anyway.

466
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still monitoring the situation because I I think,

467
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 2: like Gio Bernard, I mean, the reason he wasn't in

468
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 2: the backoryod is because he has like twelve hundred career

469
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 2: touches and it's like thirty years old, thirty one now,

470
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: But right like that dude is he's kind of on

471
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 2: his last leg.

472
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: He's just a fantasy flex meme at this point. Yeah.

473
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 2: Uh so I understand why he wouldn't be on the

474
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 2: field a ton you know. Now, they needed a replacement

475
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 2: for Ronald Jones. I think White, you know, obviously as

476
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 2: more as a pass catcher, but could kind of give

477
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: him that same you know, explosiveness and you know, just

478
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 2: another guy who can do things with it on the

479
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 2: ground with the ball in his hands. So if Fournette

480
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 2: did go down, I mean, Kisha and Vaughan didn't light

481
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 2: the world on fire last year and they took a

482
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 2: back in the well.

483
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: White was a third rounder.

484
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I believe so, yeah yeah, and it's like

485
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 2: it was kind of high. A lot of people had

486
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 2: him going later or didn't, you know, didn't really have

487
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 2: him mocked there.

488
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: So I think Vaughan is probably the one in trouble.

489
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 2: But if White is gonna kind of if you can

490
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 2: win that queer kind of Ronald Jones.

491
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 1: Role, I would be interested.

492
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: At least it's a handcuff, just because this this role

493
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: is so valuable in this Bucks offense. I mean, it's

494
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: you know, so I'm still I'm still watching White.

495
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: Let's go Yeah.

496
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: Any so sleepers busts on Tampa Bay. I think for me,

497
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 2: you know, the Sleepers are Brady and Gronk. It's crazy

498
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: as that sound, just because I think they're going to

499
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: low at positions where they have a non zero chance

500
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: of finishing as the number one or number two overall

501
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: player at that position.

502
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, it's just Gronk because this is the

503
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: only time you can probably get him this cheap, and

504
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,719
Speaker 1: if you're retires, then I look like an idiot, But

505
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: that's fine, Like this is the time you're to take

506
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 1: gamble's on news like this and then the bust. Like

507
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: every single player in this Bucks offense is worth taking ADP.

508
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: But like I said, the bus would probably Rashad White,

509
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: just because I'd rather take running backs in this range

510
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: with a clear backup role where he might he might

511
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 1: win that role. And you know, I'll return of this

512
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: later in the offseason and maybe like him, but just

513
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: as of right now, he's probably the only guy I

514
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: would consider other guys at ADP.

515
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: For me, I think it would be Godwin, just because

516
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 2: I think I don't know exactly there's no telling exactly

517
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: how much we should discount him yet based on the injury,

518
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: how many games he's gonna play, and he's still going

519
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: as a top you know, as a wide receiver, a

520
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: mid range wide receiver. Two, So I think that there's

521
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: bus potential there. You know, he's been a guy. He

522
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: has struggled a little bit with health over the last

523
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: couple of years. Even in Brady's first year he only

524
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 2: had eight hundred and forty yards because he missed four games.

525
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, Godwin for me, I think is the closest

526
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: thing to a bust. All right, let's go to the

527
00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 2: Saints Jamis Winston. What are your thoughts on Winston and

528
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 2: just how he's going to be able to replicate what

529
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: was a very efficient but short lived for a season

530
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: with the Saints and now without Sean Payton.

531
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, the loss of Sean Payton certainly hurts, but they're

532
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: keeping the same coaching regime here, so I'm not anticipating

533
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: two many changes other than maybe Taysom Hill is no

534
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: longer you know, the gimmicky quarterback anymore, which only helps

535
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: James Winston. But I mean the past catching talent around

536
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: him is improving greatly this season. I mean, he had

537
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: Marquez Callaway as his wide receiver one entering last season,

538
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: and now he's his wide receiver four because you potentially

539
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: getting Michael Thomas back. They just recently signed Jarvis Landry

540
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: and they traded up to get Chris Olave. So I

541
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: love Winston as current ADP, just considering the talent around

542
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: him has improved. We'll have to monitor the Alvin Kamara situation.

543
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: I think if Kamara gets a lengthy suspension, Mike ding

544
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: Winston just a little bit, but just overall, I think

545
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: that when he's in that low mqbtwo range and he

546
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: has the upside to certainly crush ADP.

547
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I almost wonder if Kamara being out would help

548
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 2: him or I would be a wash, just because the

549
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: issue with Winston last year was that the Saints essentially

550
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 2: played hide the quarterback with him. He did not seem

551
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 2: very many passing attempts per game last year, and the

552
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: Saints were not very very past every team. But you

553
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: have these you're hoping three solid good receivers here, and

554
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,959
Speaker 2: if you didn't have Kamara, I mean, they don't really

555
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 2: have much in the backfield. I know mark Ingram was there,

556
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: but he's another guy that's kind of in the twilight

557
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: of his career. So I wonder if he would kind

558
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: of if the Saints would be an above average pass

559
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 2: attempt team without Alvin Kamara.

560
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably just a little less efficient, but yeah, certainly

561
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: more past heavy, which benefits Winston. And you know, Winston's

562
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: rushing upside is a bit capped at this point in

563
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: his career, and he is, you know, he's coming off

564
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: the ACL injury, so he's going to be more of

565
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: a pocket passer. But I just think the environment around

566
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: him is significantly better than last year for sure. All Right,

567
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on Thomas?

568
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: Because I was gobbling him up in a bunch of

569
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: basketball leagues early in the offseason. I thought he was

570
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: you know, he was going sometimes outside the wide receiver

571
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: two range and into the wide receiver three range. But

572
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: as I'm kind of like, you know, I try to

573
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 2: read every single beat report I can for these teams

574
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 2: as before we do these podcasts especially, and just kind

575
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: of generally throughout the off season just to kind of

576
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: see if I can glean anything. And I gotta say

577
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: I did not like to hear that Michael Thomas is

578
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: still rehabbing the ankle and like really hasn't been on

579
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: the field. I mean, I know he got the surgery

580
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: late and that was kind of an issue with the team,

581
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: but like this is another situation where it's like, all right,

582
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: now I'm starting I know it's still June, but it's like,

583
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: it can't be a good sign that he's still rehabbing

584
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: his ankle.

585
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: No, definitely not a good sign. And this is sort

586
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: of like the Chris Godwin situation, if if you want

587
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: to play your logic there where we don't know if

588
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna be ready week one. He probably has a

589
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: better chance than Godwin right to be ready for week one,

590
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: but he's in that wide receiver twenty five to thirty range. Yeah,

591
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna be off of them at this point,

592
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: just because I do think that guys like Landry and

593
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: a lave will, you know, command their own target share.

594
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: So I don't think we're gonna see the old Michael

595
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: Thomas where you know, he's pushing thirty percent targets per

596
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: out runt or anything. So I'm a bit lower on

597
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: Thomas even when he is healthy. But certainly this this

598
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: ankle injury still lingering is a big concern for me.

599
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: So I'm probably passing on him unless he gets like

600
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: if he gets you know, in the mid thirties at

601
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: wide receiver, that's probably when I'll target him.

602
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean I would say I would be

603
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 2: less concerned about Godwin because at least a Godwin, we

604
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: know what we're dealing with.

605
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: It's a Tony a CEO.

606
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: There's a certain recovery timetable, and as the season draws nearer,

607
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: we can gauge exactly how close he is and his

608
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: quarterbacks Tom Brady like Michael Thomas, if his ankle injury

609
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: is still bothering him and like he's not going to

610
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: be ready to start the season, then there's no.

611
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: Telling when he's gonna be ready because he should have

612
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: already been ready. Yeah.

613
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: True, Like there's a difference like Chris Godwin, if he's

614
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: not back in Week one, it's because he just shouldn't

615
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: have been ready yet. Like that, there's varying timetables for

616
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: a ACM. Michael Thomas should be over this injury. So yeah,

617
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: I would be concerned about him now. Obviously, if we

618
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: get news that he is back on the field, that's

619
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: when you have to be ready to buy the dip

620
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: because I still I mean, just if you look at

621
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: his targets per route run, you look at it like

622
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: he's never average year Thans five point seven catches a game.

623
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: You know, I find it tough to see him going

624
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: below like let's say five, which is still pretty valuable

625
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: wide receiver, and then you know he has he's another

626
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: guy with that you know, number one overall upside in him.

627
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: It's and we could see a past heavy year offense

628
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: and Jameis Winston. I mean, even though Thomas doesn't necessarily

629
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: run those like downfield routes for Winston to chuck it.

630
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: Winston was kind of a new quarterback last year. So like,

631
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: I like the upside, but it really all hinges on

632
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: him getting back on the field, Like if if he's

633
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: not on the field and practicing by the time like

634
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: camp starts and they like this is and then he's

635
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: like sitting out every preseason game and then, like you

636
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: we never get to actually see confirm that this man

637
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: can still like walk and run and cut.

638
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: Like I am, I'm completely off. Yeah, we will probably

639
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: know way more about the situation later next month, but

640
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: right now there's just a ton of uncertainty.

641
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like right now, I would say like hold

642
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: off because especially if you like I already bought you know,

643
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: earlier when I thought he was going to be fine,

644
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: so like I have no incentive to value there, But yeah,

645
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: I would I would kind of hold off for now

646
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: and just be ready, you know, once you get actual

647
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: confirmation that he's back on the field and he makes

648
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: it through like a couple of weeks of practices too,

649
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: because sometimes they get back on a field like a

650
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: couple of practices and then they're back on the sideline,

651
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: Like did you hear I think it's a Curtis Samuel's

652
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: already like missing practice time.

653
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's starting to get used to that. But yeah,

654
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,719
Speaker 1: this this range, just give me Jerry, Judy, Brandon Cooks,

655
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: Gabe Davis, and Alan Robinson. There's just too many good

656
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: receivers in this range to even like, you know, be

657
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: investing in this just murky injury situation. Yeah.

658
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: Uh, Landry Jarvis, Landry, he's actually going and fantasy pros anyway.

659
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: I see him at wide receiver fifty. I see Olave

660
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: at wide receiver forty five. What are your thoughts on

661
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: those two guys? Starting with Landry who He's always been

662
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: a consistent receiver, but we started to see the cracks

663
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: last year.

664
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: He couldn't stay healthy.

665
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: Do you think he's on the downside, you know, or

666
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: with how you know he is going on? This will

667
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: be his age thirty year, coming off his worst year

668
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: in terms of games played, yardage, catches, all that good stuff.

669
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't think he's completely washed because he,

670
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: like you said, he's turning thirty, he's twenty, he's twenty

671
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: nine right now. He's turning thirty this season, So he's

672
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: certainly going to be on the decline. But we can't

673
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: just throw him away quite. Yeah, I think he still

674
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: has you know, one or two decent seasons in him,

675
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: and apparently he's dominating OTAs not themes too much, but

676
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: I mean that Michael Thomas isn't there. Yeah, it's not surprivate.

677
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: He's Jarvis Landry. He's pretty good at football. But I

678
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: just I think that since he's the cheapest receiver in

679
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: this sort of murky three wide receiver you know that

680
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: the depth chart of the Saints have, I think that

681
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: he's probably the best value. But at the end of

682
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: the day, he only has so much upside. He's not

683
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: going to be, you know, a touchdown kind of guy.

684
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to fight for targets, you know, with

685
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas and Chris Laves. So he's never gonna be

686
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: that guy from you know, the Dolphins, or Browns that's

687
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: racking up five plus catches a game. So I'm not

688
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: really investing in this wide receiver group at all. But

689
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: I think just out of the three, Landry probably offers

690
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: the most value just because he's going the latest of

691
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: the three.

692
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: So you don't think a lave what do you what

693
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: do you think the chances of a Lave just being

694
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: like great are like just you know, because the Saints

695
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: sometimes they just hit on these draft picks and it's

696
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: just like and this was like this was their guy,

697
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: Like they traded picks, they drafted him above Jamison Williams

698
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,479
Speaker 2: just to get like what an extra six games from

699
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: a Lave, So like this is their guy. So I mean,

700
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: there's I always went with the Saints. I always kind

701
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: of keep that in the back of my head that like,

702
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: I always want some.

703
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: Exposure to these guys.

704
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: You know, if you're drafting one team, I can't make

705
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: an amazing case that you should draft Crystal Lave. But

706
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: you're if you're drafting like hundreds of best ball teams,

707
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: like you need to have a Lave on you know,

708
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: a decent amount of them, because he just be really good.

709
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: And like I said, we have no idea, what's going

710
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: on with Michael Thomas.

711
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Olave is my favorite rookie receiver sort of

712
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: in this wide receiver forty to fifty range, and the

713
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: Saints traded up a ton of draft capital to get him,

714
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: so obviously they're gonna put him in this position to

715
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: succeed right away. So I do like his upside and

716
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 1: like we like we've been saying, you know, Michael Thomas

717
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: might not even be ready week one. Who knows if

718
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: this ankle injury is going to linger throughout the season.

719
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: So I think Olave certainly has a ton of upside.

720
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: But you know, wide receiver forty five, that's that's close

721
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: to his you know, ceiling if everyone's healthy. So that's

722
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: why I was saying Landry is probably the better value,

723
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: but absolutely, if you're gonna invest in upside in this range,

724
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: especially in a rookie, I think Olava is probably the

725
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: target for me. Yeah.

726
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: I mean he ran four point thirty nine and he's.

727
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: Good route runner. Yeah, good route runner.

728
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: Right. I would say the only Saint player that projected

729
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: a start that can go down field like Landry's not

730
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: going downfield. Michael Thomas, as good as he is is

731
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: a short to intermediate guy, and now he's could have

732
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 2: ankle troubles. So I mean, whatever deep speed he had,

733
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: he's gonna be compromised. So yeah, I think I'm really

734
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: interested in Alava and like bestball formats where I don't have.

735
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: To predict what weeks he will go off.

736
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: But I could see him having like a few hundred

737
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: yard games in year one. Even I could see him

738
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: being really good, you know, just based on the Saints

739
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 2: track record.

740
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: Although I still think.

741
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: You know, I don't necessarily like giving up what they

742
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: did for him, but yeah, the Saints deserve the benefit

743
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 2: of the doubt with the players they actually take. Okay, Comara,

744
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean Adam Troutman. We don't really need

745
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 2: to talk. Well we could, we could talk about it

746
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: just briefly, but I tell you I have nothing to

747
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: say about Adam Troutman.

748
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Troutman is a tough sell in this range, especially

749
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: since they mixed in Juan Johnson quite a bit. Less year,

750
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: They're gonna be using Taysom hillmore, you know, as a

751
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: tight end gadget player, so count me out. I love

752
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: the talent that Troutman has, but just the situation this

753
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: year is he's not by for me.

754
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like these don't I don't give.

755
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: Me, give me Gerald Everett, give me Gerald Everett or

756
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: Hayden Hurston's range. Like it's insane that those guys are

757
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: going in this range.

758
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: Like traute just makes He's just one of those dudes that,

759
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: like you'd be watching the Saints games and you know,

760
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: he's like the Mario Chalmers of the Saints offense.

761
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: It's like he thought.

762
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: It's like somebody runs the wrong route or there's like

763
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: a drop on third down and you just see trouting

764
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: jagging off and the coach lighting up with lightened into him,

765
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: and I don't know, I don't everyone. Every year, I

766
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: feel like there's this troutman hype. So I'm glad we're off.

767
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: We're off the train this year, definitely off the traveling train.

768
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 2: Uh Camara, here we go again.

769
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: More.

770
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 2: How do you protect him? I mean, is he gonna

771
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: miss four games? Is he gonna miss six games? He's

772
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 2: gonna miss no games?

773
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: Uh? Are you asking me? I have no idea, but

774
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: I would like I know, I know we have the

775
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: common belief that the first couple of rounds do not

776
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: you know, invest in certainty or guys with multiple game

777
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: suspensions brewing, Like I'm out on him completely in the

778
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: RB ten range. Even when he was healthy last year,

779
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, his his efficiency was down. I think he's

780
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: he's too talented not to bounce back. But just with

781
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: you know, the four to six game suspension looming, just

782
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: I'd rather just invest in guys that I know how

783
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: the potential play seventeen games. Now. He could avoid legal

784
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: trouble or could get pushed out to next year, but

785
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: either way, just first couple of rounds. I'm pretty risk

786
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: averse and I want nothing to do with Camara right now.

787
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 2: Where do you have to drop if he got let's

788
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: say he got a six game suspension.

789
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: I think that happened. Was that z cat that happened?

790
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 2: No, I don't know if he's I don't think he

791
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: started the year with a six game But regardless, if

792
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: he got a six game suspension, like, where would the

793
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: earliest you would think about taking him would be.

794
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: Well, off the top of my head, he would have

795
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: to fall out of the top twenty. But as you know,

796
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: like I'm a fan of taking guys that you know,

797
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: if they're going to be out for six games and

798
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: their ADP dips too much. Depending on our league type,

799
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: there can be some value there, But for him, he

800
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: would have to fall out outside of the top twenty,

801
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: maybe the top twenty five if he's out for a

802
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: full you know, six game suspension.

803
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: What about you, Yeah, it would have to be around

804
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: twenty five for me, just because running back is just

805
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: so you know, it's so tough, especially this year. I mean,

806
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: maybe things could change, but it's hard to now count

807
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: on your running back three as your running back two

808
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: for the first six weeks and then there's so many injuries.

809
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: But I do I mean Kamaras still.

810
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy, he's probably going to put up

811
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: top twelve per game numbers regardless when he plays, and

812
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: it's not like it's an injury, and it's not like

813
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: like no one's going to really take his spot, you

814
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like he's going to come back

815
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 2: and he's going to be that guy. So yeah, I

816
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: would probably have to be around RB twenty five. Just

817
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: kind of a hypothetical at this point, but I agree

818
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: at RB ten he's a guy I really don't want

819
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: to touch at this point because you could be losing

820
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: six games and I mean, you know, you're I mean,

821
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: he could also just finishes the rby tenth. It's like

822
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: you're not getting a massive discount for the potential suspension,

823
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: right do you think Ingram is the guy that's going

824
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: to be that work? Of course, if Kamara is out

825
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: or I mean Tony Jones is still there, do you

826
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: think they signed somebody else? How do you think they

827
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: go about it? If Kamara misses time significant time?

828
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you miss his significant time, there's a chance

829
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: they bring someone in and then then I am off Ingram.

830
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: But right now, you know, Ingram is the main handcuff

831
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: and you can get him pretty late in some drafts.

832
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: You know, he's fallen outside of the top seventy and

833
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: draft so it's like, you know, being a it's not

834
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: only that he's you know, the handcuff, but he he

835
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: already has a path to starting week one. Not many

836
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: backups have that path right now, so he's he's way

837
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: undervalued right now. I could see them, you know, certainly

838
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: mixing in Tony Jones. Abraham Smith would be interesting. He's

839
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent out of Baylor, more of a

840
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: you know, grinder like Ingram, so he'd be a guy

841
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: to watch too. But I think that they would trust Ingram,

842
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: and he would certainly be you know RB three flex

843
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: value the first couple of weeks. Kamara's out, So I

844
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: think that Ingram would be the guy to invest in

845
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: if you think Khmara's going to get multiple game suspension.

846
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: All right, what's any Let's see sleepers and busts for

847
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: the Saints. Who do you got?

848
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: Well, Like I said, the sleeper is probably Jarvis Landry

849
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: just because he's the cheapest of the three wide receivers.

850
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm not really investing in this trio other than you know,

851
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: the occasional roll of the dice with Chris o'lave and

852
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: best ball. But I just think Landry just given reports

853
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: we're hearing, and like I said, he's probably not washed.

854
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: He's only turning thirty people. So I think that Landry

855
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: is probably my sleeper, and then the bus has to

856
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: be Kamara. Just we already talked about the significant risk

857
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: that you're taking on at RB ten. I just cannot

858
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: do it in mid June.

859
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll go sleeper o lave just because I think

860
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: I think he just has upside to be like really

861
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: like you know, one of those guys every like kind

862
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: of like remember when Odell Beckham was just like, yeah, immediate,

863
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: Like there's just a few guys every year that pop.

864
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 1: And I just think Olave has.

865
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 2: That potential to where it doesn't even matter who's around

866
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: him and it Oh.

867
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, I was just gonna piggyback that. I was

868
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: just saying, like, even if he does bust in this range,

869
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: it's not that big of a deal. Yeah, wide receiver force.

870
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying, yeah, like he's definitely worth the upside.

871
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 2: I mean, worst thing I think happens with Olave is

872
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: just like we're a year early and he's just like

873
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 2: our Gave.

874
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: Davis or something. You know, Oh yeah, he just like

875
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: you too. But yeah, and Bus.

876
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 2: I see it with Kamara, But at least I think

877
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 2: the thing the reason I won't call Kamara the biggest

878
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: potential BUS is because I think either way you're gonna

879
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: kind of know what you're getting and be able to

880
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: project him like either he's gonna miss he's just gonna

881
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 2: miss games like and you're gonna be able to project

882
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 2: just like Doc games. Whereas with Michael Thomas, he like

883
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 2: if he's questionable for week one, you're not really gonna

884
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: know how many games to doc, like he could come

885
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: back week one, aggravate it, miss another three weeks, you

886
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

887
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: He could be in and out of the lineup. He

888
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: could be ineffective, O Lave could be good.

889
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: Landry could take targets to where he's just a show

890
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 2: of himself, Like I see multiple pass from Michael Thomas

891
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: to bust where that's for me. Camara is just kind

892
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 2: of cutting dry. Just we're just waiting right now on

893
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 2: news whereas.

894
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: Right now there is a ton of uncertainty. But I

895
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: agree with that at some point there will be some certainty.

896
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, So with Thomas, I'm just saying there's less certainty,

897
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: Like he could he could be fine for week one,

898
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: but he's not really.

899
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: Fine, you know what I mean. Yeah, And I know doctor,

900
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: I know doctor, but it seems like an ankle, just

901
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: a long term ankle injury, Yeah, significantly more like the

902
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: odds of him retweaking it or having a setback seems

903
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: greater than other types of injuries.

904
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's a bigger guy, you know, so like

905
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: a lot of weight kind of cutting. So yeah, that's

906
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: just justus why I'm going with him over Kamara for uh.

907
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: In terms of bus. But let's jump to the Carolina Panthers.

908
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Damn Donald, damn Donald. I don't know whatever

909
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 2: you want to call him. I don't know what do

910
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: people do Carolina fans. We gotta get Sam Samantha on

911
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: the pot and ask her, like what what's like the

912
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: preferred nickname for Sam Donald out there and Carolina? I know,

913
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: I know people are calling him something besides just yelling

914
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: curses at the TV every time he starts, but he's there,

915
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: so like two of the Like, this is just hilarious

916
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 2: to me because like I can't even like keep a

917
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: straight faced when I'm doing Panthers research because it's just like, yeah,

918
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: how this offense gonna run with Sam Donald and Ben?

919
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: I Like, right, well, Sam Donald doesn't, he doesn't really

920
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: need it. And because Sam Donald's kind of becoming a

921
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: curse word itself, so right, yeah, well they know, Well

922
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: what more needs to be said? But do you think

923
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: that Matt Corrall will be able to or what week

924
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: do you think Matt Crow will replace Sam Donald by

925
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: preseason week two? Wow?

926
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: I mean if that he should, like he probably won't,

927
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: but that's that's like if they are out there together,

928
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 2: it's like one preseason game, you're gonna see who's the

929
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: better quarterback. I mean seriously, so Macadoo is Donald's fourth

930
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator in five years, So like that's not good.

931
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: And then people like to say, you know, I really

932
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: like the comments and Panthers fans who are obviously agonizing

933
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: their quarterback situation at the moment. But I've seen people say, like, oh,

934
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: he had no real offensive line last year. You know,

935
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey was hurt most of the year. Well, there's

936
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: a way to kind of still kind of get a

937
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: sense of like how a guy is gonna do even

938
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: you know, if things are like kind of hold up

939
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 2: around him. Like you can look at how guys perform

940
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: in a clean pocket, you know, when they're the offensive

941
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: line is kind of taken out of the equation. Sam

942
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: Darnold was twenty ninth out of thirty qualifiers and yards

943
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: per attempt from a clean pocket. He was twenty seventh

944
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: out of thirty in PFF passing grade from a clean pocket.

945
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: I mean in terms of adjusted completion percentage, which factors

946
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: and drops because Robbie Anderson had a lot of those,

947
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 2: he was twenty fifth. This guy is just not a

948
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: good quarterback, So like he's there's I'm afraid like when

949
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: you look at outside of DJ Moore, I don't know

950
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: if this offense is going to be able to support

951
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: anybody else just because the quarterback's not good from a pocket,

952
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 2: and then I mean, or you'd have a third round

953
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: rookie in here.

954
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well outside of Christ McCaffrey, Djmore, you cannot trust

955
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: anybody in this offense. And Donald kind of tricked us

956
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: last year. You know, he had that hot start, they

957
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: start off three and zero and then he turned into

958
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: Sam Donald. So I want nothing to do with this

959
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: quarterback carousel. Like Sam Donald and Matt carl are both

960
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: my two lowest ranked qbs right now, So this is

961
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: pretty easy pass for me. You J Moore, Yeah, what

962
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: do you? What do you make of him?

963
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: Obviously he had He's never really had a great quarterback,

964
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: So I mean, how high are you ranking him? He

965
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: should be entering his prime. I mean, it seems like

966
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: he's been good for a while now, but now he's

967
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 2: kind of entering the age where wide receivers really start

968
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 2: to break out. He was kind of outside the top

969
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: twenty five in just straight up half PPR points per

970
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: game among wide receivers you have. I think that's something

971
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 2: to do with the quarterback situation, but it was it

972
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 2: was more just because like none of these pants the

973
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: quarterbacks were touchdowns, so he only had four. So, like

974
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 2: I guess the better question is how many touchdests are

975
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: you projecting for more that two four, four four? It

976
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 2: is four years, that's the question.

977
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's never top four touchdowns and certainly that

978
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that's his fault, that his playing styles

979
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: more between the twenties anyway, he hasn't had a great QB. Ever,

980
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: that hasn't that's not changing this year. So let me

981
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: let me pull up my projected touchdowns four point seven.

982
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: So I am projecting some positive regression there. I mean,

983
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: he's due for it, right, but at the end of

984
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: the day, he's not going to provide many touchdowns for you.

985
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: So that's why I don't think he's gonna be able

986
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: to push you know, wide receiver one potential he is.

987
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: You know, he's arguably a top ten talent, but just

988
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: given the situation around him, his lack of touchdown production,

989
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: he's more of a high flour player. I have him

990
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 1: projected as my wide receiver nineteen, so he's being drafted

991
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: about where he should be, but I just think his

992
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: ceilings capped just based on the factors outside of himself.

993
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: I actually like him.

994
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: As a pick in that range because I think because

995
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 2: he has such a high floor. Again, this is still

996
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 2: the part of the draft where I don't want to

997
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 2: lose the draft, but I actually think he has some

998
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 2: untapped ceiling for a couple of reasons. Number one is

999
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: because the Panthers have made no secret that they're open

1000
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: to acquiring a veteran quarterback, so there's still a possibility

1001
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: that Mayfield ends up there, Jimmy g somebody competent that

1002
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: would still be feeding DJ Moore of the ball. And

1003
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: then number two, I went back and looked at Ben

1004
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: mcadou's offenses. He had two years as offensive coordinator with

1005
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: the Giants and two more years as head coach. But

1006
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 2: being that he was an offensive coach, I'm just going

1007
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 2: to call that his offense. And he had a receiver

1008
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 2: in Odell Beckham in kind of you know, same similar situation,

1009
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: ad range and prime and all that. And in those

1010
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 2: four years that McAdoo was there, Odo Beckab averaged ten

1011
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: point eight ten point five, ten point six and ten.

1012
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 1: Point three targets per game.

1013
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 2: Moore's career high is nine point six so and mcadow's

1014
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: always been near the top of the league in past attempts.

1015
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 2: I don't know how that's gonna drive with Matt Ruhle,

1016
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: who I remember at times last year he wanted.

1017
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: To run more. But even with uh Trueba Hubbard, yeah

1018
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: running back, Yeah.

1019
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they thought he was gonna be all right. He

1020
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 2: had some decent flashes, but yeah, I mean it was.

1021
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly if that's going to continue, but

1022
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 2: I do think there's some kind of unrealized upside just

1023
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 2: for more getting perhaps a more competent quarterback.

1024
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: Uh maybe the most competent he's ever had to be honest.

1025
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not a high bar to clear, and

1026
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 2: then you know him potentially breaking into that ten plus

1027
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: target per game range because he has all the talent

1028
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: in the world. Like you said, so, like he's one

1029
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 2: of those guys like you did. Every year, there's a

1030
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 2: couple of those guys it just bust out for like

1031
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty targets on like a shaky team,

1032
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 2: kind of like Alan Robbinson a couple of years ago. So,

1033
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: I think More has that potential, and like you said,

1034
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: the floor is so high that I'm kind of already

1035
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 2: factoring in him getting like four to five touchdowns even

1036
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: when I'm drafting him, Like why are sever eighteen anyway?

1037
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: So I like More as a pick. I think I'm

1038
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: betting on the entering his prime.

1039
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: I'm betting on the talent, and I'm betting on Ben

1040
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: McAdoo just kind of saying not really knowing how to

1041
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 2: get anyone else involved, which I mean, you couldn't even

1042
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: blame him outside of more in McCaffrey.

1043
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: Do you think he benefited a bit from McCaffrey just

1044
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: missing so much time last year and Robbie Anderson was

1045
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: just got awful. They didn't really have a number three receiver,

1046
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: not that those have really changed, But do you think

1047
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: McCaffrey's return might ding his target show just a little bit.

1048
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 2: I don't know, because even when McCaffrey played, I mean

1049
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: he had, yeah, he was getting a lot of double

1050
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: he had a lot of double digit target games kind

1051
00:51:55,640 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 2: of in there, you know. Maybe, I mean, yeah, lat year,

1052
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a tiny bit. But this, again, this

1053
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: is the kind of number one receiver you're looking for

1054
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: still where I mean McCaffrey helps you just stay on

1055
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: the field sometimes and then you're you're still a huge

1056
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 2: target hog among the other past catchers. So yes, maybe

1057
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 2: in terms of like the final projection, it'll not go

1058
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: catch here off or catch there, but nothing too major, Like,

1059
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 2: I think there's still a lot of upside with more

1060
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: and a very high fight. I mean, he never had

1061
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: fewer than seven targets in any game last year.

1062
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: Very consistent.

1063
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think more is just he's just a

1064
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 2: really rock solid pick. Like it's not quite Mike Evans,

1065
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 2: but you know it's it's almost like it's Mike Evans

1066
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: without the touchdowns. You know, he had one year under

1067
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 2: a thousand. He's been over a thousand each of the

1068
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: last three. Just you just don't get They're gonna be

1069
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: in trailing game scripts almost every week.

1070
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: Which helps.

1071
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, not much else to talk about Robbie Anderson. I've

1072
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 2: decided that he just he just got that contract and

1073
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 2: he was just like fuck it, like like there's nothing

1074
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 2: else to explain why he was that bad last year.

1075
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: I mean, Sam Donald, you can't even use the Donald

1076
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: excuse because he's actually played well with Donald he's friends

1077
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 2: with Donald, So yeah, he's going at seventy three ADP.

1078
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not touching him. I think there's you know,

1079
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: just go for upside there not. I think we've seen

1080
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 2: Anderson p already. Yeah.

1081
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm one of the biggest Robbie Anderson

1082
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: stands out there, But I'm off hime. Last year he was,

1083
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 1: you know, arguably the worst starting receiver. He finished wide

1084
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: receiver fifty despite playing all seventeen games, and he pretty

1085
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: much ran over ninety percent routes run every single week,

1086
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: and he was still only wide receiver fifty. His catch

1087
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: right was only forty eight percent. You'd have to expect

1088
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: that can only go up. But at the end of

1089
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: the day, like I see him more likely conceding snaps

1090
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: to Terrence Marshall this year than really bouncing back to

1091
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: being you know, a wires or four again. He might

1092
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: have the occasional big game, but yeah, like he fell

1093
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: off face either after that contract, So you know, maybe

1094
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: you're right, but either way, I'm off of Robbie.

1095
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, only wide receiver rank fiftieth or below was more

1096
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: than one hundred targets.

1097
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: So he's just wildly inefficient.

1098
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 2: Terris Marshall, any any kind of year two breakout for him.

1099
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 2: I mean, I just even with a better quarterback, I

1100
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 2: still don't think it's enough unless he makes a massive weep.

1101
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 2: I just didn't see enough from him last year. Yeah,

1102
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 2: it was very disappointing last year. He still has upside.

1103
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: I still have hope of a potential year to break out.

1104
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: Not going to bet on it necessarily, but there's a

1105
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: chance he should be the wide receiver free Last year.

1106
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: He was unable to beat out Brandon zilkscra at the

1107
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:48,959
Speaker 1: end of the season, which is not good for him,

1108
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: but he could, you know, take away snaps from Robbie

1109
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: and Anderson. But they would need to bring in a

1110
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: veteran quarterback. This offense is not capable providing fancy value

1111
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: outside of McCaffrey or DJ Moore. So you know, Marshall

1112
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: will need a lot of things to happen. But he

1113
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: certainly has the talent to be there potentially in the

1114
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: future if they bring in a better quarterback. But right now,

1115
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm awesome even at wide receiver one hundred.

1116
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like the average up to Tariot was

1117
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 2: below seven. It's just not a good sign Ian Thomas,

1118
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 2: Tommy Trumble splitting snaps again. Is nothing there. Christian McCaffrey

1119
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 2: is where I think you said you have him as

1120
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: your number two running back, was it?

1121
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, right now I have him as my running

1122
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: back too, because I'm considering him to have as just

1123
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: just as much injury risk as everybody else. So he's

1124
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 1: right back to RB two for me. Yeah, I agree.

1125
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 2: I think, you know, just a pass catching up side.

1126
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 2: When he's been in games, he's still been a monster,

1127
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 2: and you can't predict that running back injuries and he's

1128
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 2: it's not like he has any specific thing where it's

1129
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: like you're really worried about it, like you know Saquon

1130
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: with the knee, and you know, he just kind of

1131
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: had a whitny of different injuries on fortunately, but like

1132
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 2: this guy could win you. He's you know, he's he's

1133
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 2: just as likely to lose your league as any other

1134
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 2: running back you're taking that high, and probably more likely

1135
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 2: to win it than almost anyone. So yeah, I think that,

1136
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,720
Speaker 2: you know, second running back off the board after Jonathan Taylor,

1137
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 2: and he could easily out play Taylor. Like we we

1138
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 2: talked about it, Taylor had the outlier last year, and

1139
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 2: Taylor was not going to catch as many passes. So

1140
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: you know, there's a good chance if McCaffrey plays a

1141
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 2: normal amount of games, he's right back up as that

1142
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: number one fantasy player period. Yep, sleepers and busts on

1143
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 2: the Panthers.

1144
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: Well, it's tough because they really only have two fancy

1145
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: relevant players. So my sleeper, my sleeper is no one

1146
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: for let me get that out of the way, But

1147
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: it would be CHRISTI McCaffrey if he falls outside of

1148
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: the top two or three, I guess, but like I can't,

1149
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: I can't really recommend anybody else outside of him. Yeah,

1150
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: there's nothing there.

1151
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in the same thing like I don't think

1152
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: DJ Moore is at risk of a bust at all.

1153
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's no I mean, and the other guys

1154
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: are already being taken where they should, So let's just.

1155
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: Show up to the Falcons.

1156
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 2: Interesting team are the Atlanta Falcons a lot of kind

1157
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 2: of new pieces. Arthur Smith has always been pretty pretty

1158
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 2: good coach, and I think the staff is good. They

1159
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 2: got Mariota there, who Smith has coached before. They got

1160
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 2: Desmond Ritter. I mean, I guess Mariota, I guess my

1161
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 2: question is if he starts week one, we know he

1162
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: has a rushing ability. He looked really good in that

1163
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 2: one start he made for Vegas after kind of sitting out,

1164
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: and we've seen Ryan Tannehill kind of resurrect his career

1165
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 2: under Arthur Smith. So is there any intrigue with Mariota

1166
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: just as a streamer if he's starting in week one?

1167
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so. And you know, we have to

1168
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: remember he's only twenty eight years old. He was the

1169
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: number two overall pick in twenty fifteen, and you know,

1170
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: the Falcons took desmon Ritter in the third round. But

1171
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna just like rush him to

1172
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: start because they want to see what they have in Mariota.

1173
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: He could potentially be their starting quarterback the next few seasons.

1174
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: So I think they're gonna give him every chance. And

1175
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: like you said, he has that dual threat ability. So

1176
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: there's gonna be weeks where if they have a good matchup,

1177
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, he could be in that mid range QB

1178
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: two range. So and he has enough weapons. You know,

1179
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: they have Drake London, Cordello, Patterson, Kyle Pitt, So there's

1180
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: enough there to believe in him for a few games

1181
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: at least this season. You know, I'm not going out

1182
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 1: of my way to draft him for season long leagues

1183
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: or anything, but like that. But yeah, certainly as a

1184
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: streaming option DFS, I'm going to be interested with the

1185
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: right matchups.

1186
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And unfortunately they start the year versus New Orleans

1187
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 2: and then at the Rams, So those are two top

1188
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: six pass defenses in DVOA.

1189
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: So not ideal start.

1190
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 2: But maybe week three at Seattle, maybe week four against

1191
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 2: Cleveland he actually has a tough defense because I think

1192
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 2: they go to Tampa Bay, San Francisco and six and

1193
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 2: five and six. So yeah, maybe in week three at

1194
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 2: Seattle he could get a stream in.

1195
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think he I think.

1196
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 2: He has some upside just based on his legs, but

1197
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 2: the matchups, you know, it's not looking. But early in

1198
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: the year, Drake London actually, let's start with Kyle Pitts.

1199
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 2: Let's sart Kyle Pitts. He's the real wide receiver one

1200
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: here is he here? Kind of tight end three, kind

1201
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 2: of no questions ask? Or is he in a tier

1202
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 2: with Kittle and Waller as well? Or is he in

1203
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 2: the tier with Andrews above them? No?

1204
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I have Kelsey and Andrews in tier one.

1205
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: They're all alone up there. And then yeah, I have

1206
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: a three way tier here with George Kittle, Darren Waller,

1207
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: and Kyle Pitts. So I have him essentially tied for

1208
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: tight end three and with you know, Kyle Pitts. You know,

1209
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: the sky's lemmon with him. But he is going to

1210
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: be hindered by this passing offense, at least for this season.

1211
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm only projecting the offense to throw for twenty half touchdowns.

1212
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: So while he is going to see some positive regression

1213
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: off his one touchdown season last year, I don't think

1214
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: we could be projecting him for eight plus quite yet.

1215
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: But certainly, you know, he's going to give you the

1216
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: catches and the yards. So he's certainly he's a top

1217
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: five or you know, tight end, almost call him receiver

1218
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: because he is. But he's a top five tight end.

1219
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: But he's just not quite in that stress for yet.

1220
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: He's going to need a better system, better quarterback to

1221
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: get there. But yeah, so I have his projected touchdowns

1222
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: at four and a half. Are you over under that?

1223
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 2: I am right around four? Yeah, four point five? Okay,

1224
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 2: right line, But you said twenty and a half touchdowns

1225
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 2: for the Falcons. So you're projecting an improvement over last

1226
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 2: year and they had twenty even.

1227
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I guess a slight and I mean twenty

1228
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: touchdowns in seventeen games. Yeah, not great. It isn't good either,

1229
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: I you know, the more I.

1230
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 2: Think about this and kind of crunch the numbers, I

1231
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 2: do think Pitt's needs to be in that in that

1232
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 2: top tier, the top two, Like yeah, yeah, because number three,

1233
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 2: but like very sistic like that he's in that tier

1234
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 2: instead of the because the thing is, this guy had

1235
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 2: over a thousand yards as a rookie tight end. He's

1236
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: probably a better perimeter receiver than most, like than even

1237
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 2: a handful of number one out sash receivers in the.

1238
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: League already, and.

1239
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 2: Everyone else on the roster can't separate. So like he's

1240
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 2: gonna get a ton of double teams. Yes, but I

1241
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 2: mean that's not that's not anything different from last year.

1242
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 2: Now probably yes, a little downgrade in quarterback, but this

1243
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 2: is year two for a guy that put up a

1244
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 2: thousand yards as a rookie at a position where people

1245
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 2: never do that.

1246
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: So like he could like this could be his.

1247
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 2: Disc would just be a monster year for him, and

1248
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 2: like he I just look at it. At the end

1249
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 2: of the day, He's not competing with anyone else for

1250
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 2: targets in the way that Waller has. You know, Adams

1251
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 2: and renfro who can you know, separate well and kind

1252
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 2: of demand high targets per route run and Kittle, as

1253
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 2: far as we know, is still competing with Deebo Samuel

1254
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 2: on what could be a very low volume offense running

1255
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 2: passing wise, I mean if Trey Lance is a starter,

1256
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 2: so you know, I think Pitts, even if he doesn't

1257
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 2: give you the tough touchdown regression, I mean a thousand

1258
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 2: yards is a rookie, I think he's only going to

1259
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 2: go up from there. So yeah, I'm expecting a monster

1260
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 2: year from Kyle Pitts. Like just I think the Drake London,

1261
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 2: Like at first, I was thinking, you know, Drake London

1262
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: Falcons great landing spot, but like, I think the reason

1263
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 2: they got Drake London is because they know there's going

1264
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 2: to be a lot of players where Kyle Pitts is

1265
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 2: double team and then you know, just throw to Drake

1266
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 2: London even if he's covered. But like, I don't think

1267
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 2: Drake London is affecting Pits the way like a Garrett

1268
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 2: Wilson or somebody that could get open more would have

1269
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 2: affected Kyle Pitts, which which the other tight ends are

1270
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 2: competing with for their number one receivers.

1271
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Kyle Pitts is a generational talent, so I

1272
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: can't fault you for you know, buying in a tight

1273
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: end three. He probably won't bust really at that, so yeah, yeah,

1274
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: just get it. Well his I mean, he's only going

1275
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: to go up the next few seasons. And his rookie

1276
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: season was for we you know, we joke about the

1277
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: one touchdown. Everything else is phenomenal. So he's only going

1278
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,959
Speaker 1: to get better, which is scary, and the touchdowns should come.

1279
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: Uh just I just because we can't project him for

1280
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: a plus touchdowns doesn't mean you shouldn't take a number three.

1281
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, I love the call. All right, let's talk

1282
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: about London.

1283
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 2: Now, what are your what's your kind of outlook on

1284
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:41,439
Speaker 2: him as a prospect. I guess because the whole thing

1285
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 2: is he's obviously talented. You know, you don't go as

1286
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 2: the first wide receiver off the board when you're not talented,

1287
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 2: But I mean not being able to separate, which pretty

1288
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 2: much everyone who's watched him agrees on and I mean,

1289
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 2: I I certainly see he's not.

1290
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: He's just not. He doesn't look like he's going to

1291
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 1: be that guy at the NFL level.

1292
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you think that that hinders him,

1293
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 2: especially in this kind of offense where it's not like

1294
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 2: they have an amazing quarterback or they're going to have

1295
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 2: like super high volume.

1296
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that that will hinder him some.

1297
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: But like you've mentioned, the landing spot is great because

1298
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: he's immediately going to be the wide receiver one on

1299
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: day one. If if you consider Kyle Pitts a tight end,

1300
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: so he should be able to command a high target

1301
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: share just because of that fact. But you know, he's

1302
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: been compared to, you know, like Mike Evans, so I

1303
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: think he does have that sort of upside to be

1304
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: a ten plus touchdown kind of guy going forward, but

1305
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: not this season. Like I said, I'm only projecting twenty

1306
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: and a half touchdowns. So I think that's where his

1307
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: upside is going to come, because, like you said, Kyle

1308
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 1: Pitts is going to be the target hog in this offense.

1309
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: So the separation separation issues could prevent London from you know,

1310
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: being a consistent wide receiver for so he's his ADP

1311
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: is a little bit too high already mentioned, I'd rather

1312
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: take Olave in this range. I think London does a

1313
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: high floor, but I think his ceiling is a bit

1314
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: capped because I don't think that the touchdowns are going

1315
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,439
Speaker 1: to be there as a rookie. But yeah, we'll see

1316
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: these separation issues could hurt him in the NFL. We

1317
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: we really haven't seen guys with separation if she's really

1318
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: thrive as a rookie. So I'm probably staying away. But

1319
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: I do like the landing spot because he will be

1320
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: the wide receiver one on day one.

1321
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost kind of unfortunate. I just wish a

1322
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 2: different wide receiver had landed here. I think it would

1323
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 2: have made it a lot more interesting, Like like.

1324
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought I thought Jarrett Wilson was going there

1325
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: for the longest time. Yeah.

1326
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a really low floor with London even you know,

1327
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 2: and he has kind of snuck into that weight wide

1328
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 2: receiver three early wide receiver four range. I mean I

1329
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 2: think the floor is somebody like laquant redwill like just

1330
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 2: a complete bus out. I mean, no, you know, that's

1331
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 2: that's the floor. That's the worst case scenario until he

1332
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 2: resurfaces with an Urban Meyer coach, right right, Yeah, But

1333
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 2: I mean it's that's the floor, It's not that's not

1334
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:12,439
Speaker 2: the median outcomes. He's probably somewhere, you know, between Mike

1335
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 2: Evans and Treadwell, just like you solid big receiver.

1336
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, you've changed your stance on him quite a bit.

1337
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: You should and this this time of the season, it's

1338
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: it's definitely okay to do that. But that lot does

1339
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: a lot of that have to do with just being

1340
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: super bullish on Kyle Pitts as well.

1341
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the more I look into this offense,

1342
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 2: the more I go back and watch the film, the

1343
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 2: more I kind of look at the numbers and kind

1344
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 2: of look at the potential range of outcomes for a

1345
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 2: player like Drake London with a quarterback like Marcus Mariota,

1346
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 2: and then compare it to like, Kyle Pitt's, a guy

1347
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 2: who you know, put up a thousand yards as a

1348
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 2: rookie and a less than ideal situation. I just think,

1349
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I just think, like, yes, Drake London, you know,

1350
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 2: when we when we were talking pro S Draft, we're

1351
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 2: just kind of saying, Okay, who stock goes up, who

1352
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 2: stock goes down? Like london stock definitely went up because

1353
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 2: he have landed on a team like the Jets and

1354
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 2: like not even been guaranteed to start or something like that,

1355
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1356
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: So his stock went up, But like.

1357
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 2: Like I said, the floor for guys who can't separate

1358
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 2: is just so much lower. I mean, Niki O Harry,

1359
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 2: you know, like there's so many guys come to mind

1360
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 2: that were like there were high hopes for that were

1361
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 2: taken on day one or day two, you.

1362
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.

1363
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 2: And it's just like that's that's the that's the reality

1364
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 2: of the situation. It's not like and Matt Ryan would

1365
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 2: have made me probably feel little better about London because

1366
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 2: Matt Ryan he's gonna put the ball where he needs to,

1367
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 2: Like Marcus Mariota, I don't know if I trust him

1368
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 2: to get it to anyone but the number one target,

1369
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 2: and that's gonna be Pits.

1370
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: We know that for a fact.

1371
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just it's just not a great situation.

1372
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: I mean.

1373
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,439
Speaker 2: The one thing though, is you know they it can't

1374
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 2: get much worse. Behind Drake London, you have to talk

1375
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 2: about not separating. You have Brian Edwards, who is actually

1376
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 2: I think a better separator than London and has a little.

1377
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: More juice ouch, but he's still you know, it's.

1378
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 2: Not and that's and he's a career eleven percent target

1379
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 2: per route run one point two yards per out run.

1380
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: Guy is Brian Edwards.

1381
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 2: So uh yeah, he might have one game where he

1382
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 2: goes like four for eighty six in a touchdown, I guess.

1383
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 2: So I think that's about that's that's about it.

1384
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 1: What do you think of Patterson?

1385
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 2: I think that's the next or the other kind of

1386
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 2: most fantasy relevant question, because he's going as RB thirty

1387
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:35,839
Speaker 2: two at Fantasy pros half PPR ADP. His first eleven games,

1388
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 2: nine point six carries for forty four yards and point

1389
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 2: thirty six touchdowns on the ground, and then he and

1390
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 2: then four catches on five point two targets forty seven

1391
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 2: yards and point four to five touchdowns through the air.

1392
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 2: So he was averaging about point eight touchdowns and over

1393
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 2: ninety yards per game from scrimmage in his first eleven

1394
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 2: and then the last five he dips to thirty two

1395
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 2: yards per game on you know a little less of

1396
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 2: a workload, but you know, still getting double digit touches

1397
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 2: the efficiency went way down.

1398
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really tricky to project. First of all, it's

1399
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 1: it's just so rare for running back to finally become

1400
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 1: fancy relevant in their ninth season, Like that's unheard of.

1401
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: So well, he is thirty one, I think, you know,

1402
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't have that much tread on his tires, so

1403
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: I'm not treating him like a typical thirty one year old.

1404
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 1: He's more of a scheme player, and it finally took

1405
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: him as fifteen to go to the Falcons to finally

1406
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: find the scheme that works for him. But like you said,

1407
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: his usage went way down in the final few weeks.

1408
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if how to do with his sprain ankle.

1409
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: In week eight he played through it, so maybe that

1410
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: had something to do it do with it, but they

1411
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: rarely gave him over you know, forty five percent of

1412
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 1: the carry share. He typically only ran you know, forty

1413
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: to forty five percent routes run rate, so he had

1414
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: to be extremely efficient. So even if we expect a

1415
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: similar role this year, you know, I'm projecting him you know,

1416
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 1: closer to RB twenty six and this you know, running

1417
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: back deut chart is still very weak, so he should

1418
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,640
Speaker 1: be the guy on day one, and he's typically a

1419
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: guy that I would be fading the next season because

1420
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 1: his ADP would be out of control. But at running

1421
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 1: back thirty two, that's way past the frozen pond here.

1422
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:21,640
Speaker 1: Now we're drafting backup running backs. Like I kind of

1423
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 1: like him at RB thirty two just because we did

1424
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: see his upside in this offense early last season.

1425
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if I'm there.

1426
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: I think I have to.

1427
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 2: I have to hear like a lot of good, nice

1428
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 2: puff pieces out of training camp on this guy, because

1429
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 2: like I think part of it was that defenses finally

1430
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 2: decided to figure it out. I mean, part of his

1431
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 2: appeal I think was that nobody knew that like how

1432
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 2: they were going to use him early last year, like

1433
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,600
Speaker 2: you know, defenses just were not ready for it. And

1434
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 2: then they even kind of switched it up a little bit.

1435
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 2: You know, he's used as a receiver and runner and

1436
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 2: he would do both in the same game and kind

1437
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 2: of and then over the last few weeks, Yeah, he

1438
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 2: got a little banged up, but they also I think

1439
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:08,520
Speaker 2: figured him out and like those that could like he

1440
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 2: he's never had this kind of usage before, so like

1441
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 2: him getting banged up, you know, especially as an age

1442
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 2: thirty one player, I think the odds of him getting

1443
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 2: banged up were pretty high. So I think this, I

1444
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 2: think it might have been a flash in the pan. Now,

1445
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 2: if he's like just running away with the starting job

1446
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 2: and in camp and all that good stuff, then yeah,

1447
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 2: I think RB thirty two is a fair gamble. But

1448
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 2: I just I don't I don't think it was any

1449
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 2: I think it was ominous. I guess I'll say that

1450
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 2: he dropped off that much down the stretch after an

1451
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 2: injury and just you know after there's a bunch of tapes.

1452
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, and he he banked on touchdown production quite

1453
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 1: a bit, which is not good, you know, in this offense.

1454
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 1: So he scored six rushing touchdowns five receiving touchdowns, so

1455
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 1: he should see some aggression there. I'm projecting him closer

1456
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: to seven total touchdowns and I still get him at

1457
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: RB twenty six. How many how many projected touchdowns total

1458
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 1: do you have from this year? Because those hypothetically those

1459
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 1: are going to be going to you know, Kyle Pitt's

1460
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: Drake London, because you know they're probably due yes, all

1461
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 1: around six six six six Okay, yeah, yeah, I just

1462
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 1: want to be clear, i'm factoring in touchdown regression. I

1463
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: still kind of like him at the RB thirty two range,

1464
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 1: just just because in that range you're you're taking backs

1465
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: that probably need an injury to hit value. Yeah, I mean.

1466
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 2: Another one of my concerns with Patterson is that the

1467
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 2: receiving depth try is so bear that they might have

1468
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 2: to use him at receiver more, which I think hurts

1469
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 2: his value as a running back, because yeah, you want

1470
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 2: him running like as a receiver, he's you know, he's not.

1471
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 2: He's nothing special, especially if he's like a true wide receiver.

1472
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 1: So I liked what I saw him, believe me.

1473
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 2: You know, we were both kind of on him early

1474
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 2: in the year, and I think that paid off for

1475
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 2: a lot of people.

1476
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, I gotta I gotta hear.

1477
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 2: How he's doing it in camp because that I didn't

1478
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:03,719
Speaker 2: like how I didn't like how that season ended. Tyler

1479
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 2: Algier is here, as is Damian Williams, and from what

1480
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 2: I'm hearing they Algier actually has a decent chance to

1481
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 2: start in that Mike Davis role.

1482
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: He's not the same kind of player.

1483
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 2: But this is Arthur Smith, who had Derrick Henry and

1484
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 2: kind of had that committee going on early in Henry's career,

1485
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 2: So I mean you could have kind of Williams as

1486
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 2: more of the pass catching back to where it's not

1487
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 2: exactly like Williams is almost like more of the Cordero Patterson,

1488
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 2: and then Algier is.

1489
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: I don't know the like I don't know how you would, but.

1490
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 2: Whatever the point is, these guys could also factor in

1491
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 2: the backfield. Algier is going around RB fifty nine, Williams

1492
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 2: is usually in the seventies. Do you see any value

1493
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 2: on either of these guys?

1494
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think Algier probably has the most upside because,

1495
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,759
Speaker 1: like you said, he could be sort of the workhorse

1496
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 1: back the Mike Davis role role, So we're we're going

1497
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: to be projecting him for what two point five yards

1498
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 1: per carry in that role. Yeah, Again, he's the guy.

1499
01:13:55,840 --> 01:14:00,040
Speaker 1: He's a guy that would need a good offense to

1500
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: set him up for easy goal one scores, and this

1501
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: is not that offense. So that's why his upside is

1502
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 1: pretty limited. Can't really bank on him scoring many touchdowns.

1503
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 1: But this depth chart is wide open. So even though

1504
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: he's a fifth round pick, I think he does have

1505
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: a chance to be starting in that Mike Davis role.

1506
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 1: But Mike Davis was so bad last year that you

1507
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: know that that's kind of kind of why a QUARTERO

1508
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,600
Speaker 1: Pattison broke out. So they probably do want Elgier to

1509
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: hit this year, so they'll probably give him every chance

1510
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: to succeed. And yeah, like you said, Damian Williams, he's

1511
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: more of a quarter Patterson back up. There's no real

1512
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 1: reason to mix him in when Patterson's healthy, so he'd

1513
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 1: be a guy to kind of monitor if Patterson were

1514
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 1: to miss time.

1515
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh oh, one should be a little bit better

1516
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 2: on this yet, jam And Mayfield is still a question mark.

1517
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 2: But you know, Hennessy Winstrom on the interior both ranked

1518
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 2: top seven and pff, Matthews is pretty good and McGarry

1519
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 2: is like serviceable at right tackle, so Mayfield. They really

1520
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 2: have one hole in the on the that they need

1521
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 2: to fix up. But it could be a little better.

1522
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 2: But defense is still going to be able to kind

1523
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 2: of stack the box I think against this this team.

1524
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, if I had to choose a sleeper, I

1525
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 2: guess it would be I guess it would be Augier

1526
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 2: at this point, pat I guess you're gonna go Patterson.

1527
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:19,759
Speaker 1: I guess. I mean and at that point in the draft,

1528
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: I'm probably targeting Cream Hunt way more than Patterson. But again,

1529
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 1: if Patterson falls to the you know, running back thirty

1530
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: five range and you're looking at you know, Michael Carter,

1531
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard, who obviously has insane upside, but he probably

1532
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: needs more things to happen. I just think Patterson is

1533
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: probably the biggest sleeper in this offense because there isn't

1534
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: much here.

1535
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bust, I'd probably go in London just because, like

1536
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 2: you said, he's going a little bit too high, and

1537
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 2: I just the floor of his type of prospect is

1538
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 2: just lower than the floor of other types of prospects

1539
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 2: that usually go in that range.

1540
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you there. I just the Falcons only

1541
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: really have three Fantasy relevant players, and London is the

1542
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 1: toughest sell at his current ADP because it is closer

1543
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 1: to his ceiling. So I do like the talent. I

1544
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 1: love the landing spot for London, but he is certainly

1545
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 1: you know, my favorite, Bust, if you would call it

1546
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:17,440
Speaker 1: that for the Falcons.

1547
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,840
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1548
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1552
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1553
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