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Speaker 1: and I haven't even asked for them yet. I'll get
Speaker 1: to those coming up. There are certain sports arguments that
Speaker 1: just don't go away for serious NFL fans. One of
Speaker 1: the bigger ones is should you pay a running back?
Speaker 1: How much should you pay an elite running back? The
Speaker 1: Titans signed Derrick Henry yesterday four year, fifty million dollar deal.
Speaker 1: He was great last season, led the Titans to the
Speaker 1: AFC Title Game. But the argument goes, by the time
Speaker 1: you pay a running back, they're usually on the downside.
Speaker 1: This has always been my philosophy. If I'm going to
Speaker 1: draft somebody, they're twenty two years of age and I'm
Speaker 1: going to use a first round pick, I'm using you
Speaker 1: up for five years, and then by the time you're
Speaker 1: turning twenty seven. By the time turning twenty eight, I'm
Speaker 1: already thinking about your replacement. And you're finding a lot
Speaker 1: of these rosters have dual threats. Remember what the Saints
Speaker 1: had with Alvin Kamara, And you know that you're able
Speaker 1: to have mark ingram in there. So you have this
Speaker 1: one two punch inside outside. You know, that's how Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry started. Where you have inside outside. But you know,
Speaker 1: you start to look around the league. Look at the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. Cleveland Browns got Kareem Hunt and they got
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb. That's pretty impressive. Look what the Colts did
Speaker 1: in the draft. They have Marlon Mack. They went out
Speaker 1: and got Jonathan Taylor, two thousand yard Russia out of Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: This is the trend that you have. So how much
Speaker 1: do you spend? Christian McCaffrey, Levyon Bell, David Johnson, Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 1: Those are the top five guys salary wise, and Henry
Speaker 1: currently ranks fifth in yearly average salary for running backs guys,
Speaker 1: ahead of Amara, McCaffrey, Bell, john and Zeke Elliott. Henry
Speaker 1: just turned twenty six. Titans are built to succeed with
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry as their star. Now you might look at
Speaker 1: this and go, he didn't. He was a starter at
Speaker 1: Alabama one year and then he came into the NFL
Speaker 1: and he didn't get a ton of carries. Now he
Speaker 1: did get a ton of carries last year, a ton
Speaker 1: of carries that style. Now, if you said he was
Speaker 1: a three year starter at Alabama and was carrying two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty times the first couple of years in
Speaker 1: the NFL, I would shy away from that. But can
Speaker 1: I get at least three more quality years out of him?
Speaker 1: And if you can, and you were that close to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, going to the FC title game, you're
Speaker 1: banking on Mike Vrabel having another quality team, quality season
Speaker 1: this year. But should you pay running backs? As a
Speaker 1: close cousin of the system quarterback debate? The kind of
Speaker 1: discussion that raises interesting football questions but kind of makes
Speaker 1: you it sound like a nerd. But Derrick Henry seems
Speaker 1: like he's happy and Tennessee should be happy as well.
Speaker 1: It feels like one of those deals where you go,
Speaker 1: and we always look at deals and go, oh, he
Speaker 1: got less than he didn't set a record for running backs. Oh,
Speaker 1: you know that was a failed negotiation. And I looked
Speaker 1: at it differently. I think you got to look at
Speaker 1: a couple of things here. You got to look at
Speaker 1: COVID now, what is happening here with the NFL, the
Speaker 1: uncertainty with the NFL and the salary cap in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, it might go twenty to thirty million dollars less.
Speaker 1: And you had a source tell this to Yahoo Sports.
Speaker 1: The salary cap may drop twenty to thirty million dollars.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's why Patrick Mahomes signed. We'll
Speaker 1: get to Dak Prescott in a moment. But if you
Speaker 1: start to look at the free agency class of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, so he's gonna if they tagged him and
Speaker 1: he didn't sign the long term deal. Now he's competing
Speaker 1: against Joe Mixon in Cincinnati, Alvin Kamara, Aaron Jones Green Bay,
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook, James Connor, Philip Lindsay in Denver. I think
Speaker 1: getting the guaranteed money, he likes it. There. They feature him,
Speaker 1: and when you talk about guys who break big, big runs,
Speaker 1: it's the biggest running back in the NFL. Derrick Henry
Speaker 1: has more fifty yard runs than any other running back.
Speaker 1: I think it's a great deal for Derrick Henry. He's
Speaker 1: comfortable with it. He got guaranteed money, the uncertainty of
Speaker 1: the next season, and Tennessee has their guy that they
Speaker 1: can hand the ball to twenty five times. I saw
Speaker 1: where Pro Football Focus had a stat Actually it's a
Speaker 1: list of the most elusive running backs in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb, I think Nick chubbs, you know, on the
Speaker 1: short list of most underrated players in the game. But
Speaker 1: you know when he and Sony Michelle we're sharing time
Speaker 1: in college and now he's sharing time with Kareem Hunt.
Speaker 1: I think Nick Chubb is great, not good. I think
Speaker 1: he's great. Josh Jacobs out of Alabama with the Raiders
Speaker 1: is ranked second. Derek Hennery is third on that list.
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara is a fourth, Dalvin Cooked fifth, Austin Eckler
Speaker 1: with the Chargers is sixth, se Quon Barkley seventh, Chris
Speaker 1: Carson with the Seahawks is eight. This according to a
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus. Devin single Terry, who I love with
Speaker 1: the Bills. I don't know how good he is, but
Speaker 1: that dude never stops ever. Aaron Jones with the Packers
Speaker 1: had an unbelievable season last year. James Conner featured back there.
Speaker 1: So Christian McCaffrey is thirteenth on this list. If I said,
Speaker 1: you can get these running backs for the same price,
Speaker 1: and maybe you take Christian McCaffrey out of it, because
Speaker 1: he did have great numbers, although I don't know if
Speaker 1: those a number does really mean anything at the position.
Speaker 1: Like you want somebody who's going to be on the
Speaker 1: field and producing, but what are you really producing with
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers. You know, McCaffrey's an anomaly in a
Speaker 1: variety of ways. But is he Let's say you could
Speaker 1: get McCaffrey or Derrick Henry for the same price, you're
Speaker 1: still going to take Christian McCaffrey. Probably so, and maybe
Speaker 1: I take him out. What about if I say sae
Speaker 1: Quon Barkley or Derek Derrick Henry, who are you taking?
Speaker 1: I'm guessing people would probably look at sa Quon Barkley
Speaker 1: because of his ability to uh, you know, catch balls
Speaker 1: out of the backfield. I don't have many catches Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry had last year. I don't know if they're trying
Speaker 1: to make him a little bit more of a dual
Speaker 1: threat there, McLevin, if you could check that, or maybe
Speaker 1: Ethan can eighteen receptions last year? Okay, by way, wow,
Speaker 1: so side, I'm look at his hats. Derek Kenny has
Speaker 1: way more carries in his career than McCaffrey already, unless
Speaker 1: I have McCaffrey, because McCaffrey has like those dual touches.
Speaker 1: He has a million touches, but they're split evenly between
Speaker 1: receiving and running. Yeah, but look at the carries he
Speaker 1: had in college. That's true. Yeah, good Chrisian McCaffrey had
Speaker 1: a ton of carries. All these guys everyone you just
Speaker 1: met said so much wear and tear already. I don't
Speaker 1: want to pay any of them. Well, that goes back
Speaker 1: to Zeke Elliott. Like, I didn't understand that at all,
Speaker 1: unless Jerry thought, you know what, he's playing great and
Speaker 1: then they overpaid him. He had his holdout and I
Speaker 1: just don't know. I think you've seen the best of
Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott, and granted you got to see a lot
Speaker 1: of greatness out of Zeke Elliott. I just don't know.
Speaker 1: It's now a quarterback league and you've turned it over.
Speaker 1: It feels like, well sort of, to Dak Prescott, there
Speaker 1: were late night negotiat or late afternoon negotiations because the
Speaker 1: deadline was for Eastern yesterday, and Jane Slater, who was
Speaker 1: with US yesterday on loan from the NFL Network, covers
Speaker 1: the Cowboys said they tried to get something done. I
Speaker 1: don't understand that you don't talk from and then you're
Speaker 1: gonna hurry up right at the deadline. This should have
Speaker 1: been done. I had a great source who told me
Speaker 1: when Zeke was getting his deal done, Dak was gonna
Speaker 1: get his deal done in late August going into I
Speaker 1: think the first regular season game, said get ready, Dak's
Speaker 1: going to sign as well. And then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden we stretched it out. The most talked about story
Speaker 1: in NFL history and it continues and it'll continue this
Speaker 1: entire season. Did the Cowboys make the right decision? Did
Speaker 1: they really want Dak Prescott? Dak's betting on himself again?
Speaker 1: Did Dak ask for more money than he deserved? You
Speaker 1: could have signed Dak Prescott for the same money, I'm
Speaker 1: told as Russell Wilson. And what did Rusk get for
Speaker 1: for one forty Is it something like that? You could
Speaker 1: have gotten Dak Prescott for that, And now what's he
Speaker 1: going to cost you? And I mean, Jerry knows that
Speaker 1: you know I built this team. We can win now.
Speaker 1: I gotta win now. I want one more super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I want to prove that I can win a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl again. And you could have signed Dak Prescott and
Speaker 1: been done with this and got a bargain, and now
Speaker 1: here you go, and now you have an offense where
Speaker 1: you use your first round pick on Ceedee Lamb. You're
Speaker 1: throwing the football this year. He's gonna put up big
Speaker 1: numbers again, but you tag him again one more time,
Speaker 1: which is what I thought. That's what I would have
Speaker 1: done in the first place. If I'm not sure on
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, then i would have tagged him. I'll tag
Speaker 1: him again next year. But I got the feeling that
Speaker 1: Cowboys weren't completely sold on Dak Prescott. They wanted to
Speaker 1: see another season. They saw the season Dak bett on himself,
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys now have to pay the bill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Pauling any chance of Cowboys are being really smart here.
Speaker 1: They're basically renting Dak Prescott and giving it one more Lookxie.
Speaker 1: And also with the salary cap coming up, when it
Speaker 1: comes time to be in this position next year, the
Speaker 1: cap could be less and they could be in a
Speaker 1: position where they can get him for less. I think
Speaker 1: it's a distinct possibility, but I think if that happens,
Speaker 1: they accidentally fell into that because they weren't banking on
Speaker 1: a COVID nineteen pandemic, that's going to reduce the salary
Speaker 1: camp by twenty to thirty million dollars. And you're going
Speaker 1: to have a guy who you bring in, Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1: And unless Mike McCarthy is not sold on Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: Like privately, I don't know, but I would think you're
Speaker 1: taking the job and the first thing you ask is
Speaker 1: who's my quarterback? That's what coaches do. Who's the quarterback?
Speaker 1: Does the owner love that quarter like Ron Rivera goes
Speaker 1: to Washington. Daniel Snyder is the one who said we're
Speaker 1: drafting Dwayne Haskins, so you know you have that quarterback
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. You know, if you go
Speaker 1: into the Cleveland Browns situation, Kevin Stefanski, Okay, who's my quarterback? Well,
Speaker 1: the owner wanted Baker Mayfield, so you know he's there
Speaker 1: for a little while. This is what happens. Who's my quarterback?
Speaker 1: And can I succeed with him? But the Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: situation I just think handled poorly by Jerry Jones and
Speaker 1: Dak Do I think he overplayed his hand a little bit? Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably because I think he's an average quarterback from the
Speaker 1: standpoint of he can be great and he can be very,
Speaker 1: very suspect. And if you average it out, you're an
Speaker 1: eight and eight team, that probably makes your quarterback average
Speaker 1: as well. And I can't have the highs and lows there.
Speaker 1: As much as I like Dak Prescott would love if
Speaker 1: he was the quarterback for my team, I don't. I
Speaker 1: can't have the fluctuation of good Dak bad Dak, and
Speaker 1: that would that would concern me long term. And maybe
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are doing another drive by with it. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's just see how he does again, bets on himself.
Speaker 1: We can always tag him again, just like Washington did
Speaker 1: with Kirk d Cousins. But I think it's a missed
Speaker 1: opportunity for both sides. Maybe it's strategic with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and maybe it's strategic with Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott needs
Speaker 1: the Cowboys too. The Cowboys certainly need Dak Prescott now,
Speaker 1: but Dak Prescott needs the Cowboys. It's an offense. You're
Speaker 1: the quarterback of America's team. You're gonna get indorsement, You're
Speaker 1: gonna get ten million dollars in endorsements probably each year
Speaker 1: by being the Cowboys starting quarterback. And you have to
Speaker 1: add that value into this because if he goes to
Speaker 1: another team, you never have this marketing ability when you're
Speaker 1: when you're the quarter When you think of Boys quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: Danny White, we still remember you got Romo for nothing.
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman. Troy Aikman can live off being a former
Speaker 1: Cowboy quarterback the rest of his life. Roger Staubach, even
Speaker 1: Craig Morton, Don Meredith, we know who the cowboy quarterbacks are.
Speaker 1: Babe Loffenberg, Yeah, Polly. Tony Romo got a huge broadcasting
Speaker 1: job as his first job out without a Super Bowl ring.
Speaker 1: You know this industry, a super Bowl ring kind of
Speaker 1: buys you an audition at ESPN or CBS, Fox, etc.
Speaker 1: But if you don't have one, like Rodney Harrison. Rodney
Speaker 1: Harris is a very good player. Having a ring sure
Speaker 1: helps him get a look. See by NBC and look
Speaker 1: at Tony Romo, very good quarterback. But he's not Dan Marino. Oh,
Speaker 1: if Rodney doesn't have super Bowls, Rodney's not doing Football
Speaker 1: Night in America. I mean that helps open the door
Speaker 1: because now when you speak, you can speak from authority
Speaker 1: of hey played in a Super Bowl, Hey one Super bowls,
Speaker 1: Hey I was part of this team, this dynasty, this franchise,
Speaker 1: that defense. Uh but yeah, you're right, all right, we'll
Speaker 1: come up with the poll question, right McLevin? Or should
Speaker 1: I ask you? If you should definitely ask yeah, because
Speaker 1: I have all these running back questions. You know you
Speaker 1: you were you kind of ruined my Alvin Kamara party
Speaker 1: because I thought he was gonna be the next guy
Speaker 1: to get paid. That I looked up as numbers. They
Speaker 1: definitely went down last Yeah, I said that too. You
Speaker 1: than I thought when he was with mark Ingram that
Speaker 1: they got a lot of attention because they had, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of this power back and then you had the
Speaker 1: elusive back. I don't know if he gets enough touches. Well,
Speaker 1: he heard his knee last year, which is another issue,
Speaker 1: like why you need the two guys because some guys,
Speaker 1: if you get more wear and tear, are just gonna
Speaker 1: break down. Ethan just sent me a number. Um Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry is the first player in NFL history. Actually, I
Speaker 1: should tease this because you know something special that Ethan
Speaker 1: came up with. That good. Yeah, it's stat good. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the new segment Stat good. Ethan is stat good. We're
Speaker 1: gonna take a break we'll come back. As I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: we'll check in with the NBA Bubble. Our friend Chris
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Speaker 1: started to mention before the commercial break. Thanks to Ethan,
Speaker 1: our new stats guy, Derrick Henry is the first player
Speaker 1: in NFL history to rush for at least four hundred
Speaker 1: yards as a rookie and then increase that number by
Speaker 1: at least forty percent in each of the next three seasons.
Speaker 1: He had four ninety as a rookie, seven hundred and
Speaker 1: forty four is second year one thousand and fifty nine
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, and last year rush for fifteen forty.
Speaker 1: This might be one of those deals that we always
Speaker 1: want to win ern a loser, who won, who lost.
Speaker 1: We're doing that with Dak Prescott, with Derrick Henry. I
Speaker 1: think both sides won. I think both sides got what
Speaker 1: they wanted. You got that running back you can count on.
Speaker 1: I think they would like to expand the number of
Speaker 1: touches so it's not just him powering ahead, you know,
Speaker 1: going into these defense because those running backs don't last.
Speaker 1: Eddie George was like that. Earl Campbell was like that,
Speaker 1: when you go straight. Brandon Jacobs played for the Giants.
Speaker 1: That's one of the biggest running backs. It might be
Speaker 1: the biggest running back I ever saw. We met him
Speaker 1: at a Super Bowl and we all walked away going
Speaker 1: and he's a running back. Brandon Jacobs was the same
Speaker 1: size as Michael Strahan, and that's no exaggeration. He might
Speaker 1: have been bigger than Michael Strahan inch shorter, but he
Speaker 1: was bigger. And then he ran a certain way, and
Speaker 1: then he got paid and then he ran differently. Then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you start protecting. You know, players
Speaker 1: will talk about and you run to get the contract,
Speaker 1: and then you run differently after you've gotten the contract.
Speaker 1: I hope that doesn't happen with Derrick Enring because I
Speaker 1: love watching him play. I like when guys give the
Speaker 1: impression they want to tackle him, but they really don't
Speaker 1: because you go, oh, this is gonna hurt. I remember
Speaker 1: defensive backs, defensive players doing that with Adrian Peterson. They
Speaker 1: didn't really want to tackle him, but she sort of
Speaker 1: had to at least try. And Derrick Henry he puts,
Speaker 1: he puts the fear of God, I think in some
Speaker 1: of those defensive players. And he's an elusive back, which
Speaker 1: you don't think of a powerback being. And I'm happy
Speaker 1: for him when we saw him at the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: You know, a wonderful kid. I really enjoyed talking to him.
Speaker 1: Good sense of humor, and I hope you know he
Speaker 1: gets that opportunity to continue doing what he's doing, what
Speaker 1: he did the last two years with Tennessee. Yes, PAULI,
Speaker 1: if you look at Derrick Henry's strategy, he basically got
Speaker 1: twenty five million over the next three years guaranteed. He
Speaker 1: cannot not get it. Yeah, if you go back to
Speaker 1: Levon Bell, he skipped a season, lost sixteen million dollars.
Speaker 1: He made it up by getting a two year basically
Speaker 1: a guarantee contract of twenty seven million front of Jets.
Speaker 1: But that was the only team. The Jets kind of
Speaker 1: bailed him out. Otherwise his strategy was not going to work.
Speaker 1: He was well, we factor in the third year, the
Speaker 1: year that he sat out. So over the course of
Speaker 1: three years, Levion Bell will make twenty seven million dollars
Speaker 1: including the season he sat out, Yeah, which is two
Speaker 1: million more than Derrick Henry's gonna make. Derrick Henry didn't
Speaker 1: threaten to sit out. Melvin Gordon threatened to sit out
Speaker 1: and did, and he's gonna make thirteen million dollars over
Speaker 1: that three year period. I remember them when he sat out,
Speaker 1: I said, this isn't gonna work out well. With the Chargers,
Speaker 1: he got paid, Okay, Yeah, but he made a mistake.
Speaker 1: Yeah he did, and now he's with Denver and they
Speaker 1: already have a running back, Philip Lindsay. So you're sharing
Speaker 1: time there, Jeff and Saint Louis joins us. Hey, Jeff,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind today? Good morning? Then good morning?
Speaker 1: I'd get it. Jerry Jones is at the billion Era.
Speaker 1: But you guys, you're not adding Mike on Why didn't
Speaker 1: you take a step back and look with the m
Speaker 1: did with Todd Gurley and the same thing's gonna happen
Speaker 1: with Ezekiel Elliott. That's my opinion. You see how that's
Speaker 1: totally messed up. Oh I know, but we're down the
Speaker 1: road on that. Thank you, Jeff, Because I wouldn't I'm
Speaker 1: on record as saying I wouldn't have resigned Zeke Elliott.
Speaker 1: I just think you can find running backs, and you're
Speaker 1: really looking for a couple of running backs to do
Speaker 1: a couple of different things. Now, if you find, you know,
Speaker 1: someone like Christian McCaffrey, good luck with that, or Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 1: But I'm I look at the Cleveland Browns. You know
Speaker 1: they got Kareem Hunt and Nick Chubb, and you're hard
Speaker 1: pressed to find a better backfield than those two guys
Speaker 1: and the versatility. Kareem Hunt's great out of the backfield,
Speaker 1: and Nick Chubb is solid. He just is, He's you
Speaker 1: can play. I would have gone to Nick Chubb more
Speaker 1: because I didn't like what was going on with the
Speaker 1: offense with Baker Mayfield and trying to play Kate Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham Junior. I would have been a more run first
Speaker 1: offense if I could take some of the pressure off
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. And Nick Chubb had that ability. But people
Speaker 1: forget that he split time with Sony Michelle at Georgia.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think Sony Michelle started and Nick Chubb
Speaker 1: came in. He started the national title game. Yes, they're
Speaker 1: a third and DeAndre Swift. There was one other guy,
Speaker 1: Isaiah crow not Crowell. I think Crowell, I think had
Speaker 1: the transfer. They had so many running backs there. They
Speaker 1: had a guy named Crowell and the Browns had Gurley
Speaker 1: was also there? Was he before? Just before? Okay? So
Speaker 1: he was right? Yeah, I mean, what is going on
Speaker 1: in Georgia. Well, Isaiah Crowell was with the Browns. But
Speaker 1: was he was he at Georgia? I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: remember him at Georgia it's not a bad uh audience. Well,
Speaker 1: when you start to think of running backs, you know
Speaker 1: what what university produces I'm talking about today because you've
Speaker 1: had different running backs. Nebraska had those, you know, Mike
Speaker 1: Rogier and I Hip and they had quite a few
Speaker 1: guys that were great. Johnny Rodgers, Oklahoma had great running backs,
Speaker 1: The U had great running backs. Ohio State has had
Speaker 1: quality running backs. But Georgia feels like that's tough competition
Speaker 1: when you go there, It's like, how many five star
Speaker 1: running backs do you have? Yeah, mcclovet remember those a
Speaker 1: couple of teams Clemson when Taj Boyd and they had
Speaker 1: like sever or eight wid NFL wide receivers, Deadre Hopkins
Speaker 1: and Tammy Watkins. That it's a lineage too. Well, look
Speaker 1: at LSU as well. You know, you just start to
Speaker 1: get these players and you just you kind of pile
Speaker 1: them up and see if these guys want to stay.
Speaker 1: You might not be the featured guy. Go back to
Speaker 1: LSU with Odell Beckham, he wasn't the featured guy. Jarvis
Speaker 1: Landry got more of a featured look than Odell Beckham.
Speaker 1: He was more of a return guy and maybe the
Speaker 1: second or third wide receiver. Yeah, there was a year
Speaker 1: when Auburn had Brandon Jacob's Cadillac, Williams and Ronnie Brown.
Speaker 1: All three ran for over a thousand yards in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and Ronnie Jacobs had to leave him go to SIU
Speaker 1: to get some playing time before getting drafted. Uh, Steven, Florida, Hey, Steve,
Speaker 1: what do you have for me? Hey? Hello, Hey Steve?
Speaker 1: Hey Dan? Always a pleasure, Daniel. Every time I talk
Speaker 1: to you, I feel like George Ga Stan's order in soup. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm so nervous, you know, but I'll i'll um as
Speaker 1: a original olge. We got a layoff mcloven man. I
Speaker 1: mean he's he's a sweetheart. He comes up with those
Speaker 1: great polls like you know what, do I have a
Speaker 1: dog or a cat? And I'm like that. You know,
Speaker 1: we love him down here in Florida and the show
Speaker 1: we Love you Dan. What Steve? Does everybody in Florida
Speaker 1: love mclovin? Uh? Nine out of ten? Yeah? Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, East Coast West, Thanks you, Steve. That's Steve said.
Speaker 1: I think it's just nine out of ten people total
Speaker 1: like you in Florida, not nine out of every ten.
Speaker 1: I think is what Steve was saying that they hate
Speaker 1: Ethan in Florida. They are known for that. Ethan is
Speaker 1: can't even walk the street to Boca Raton. Ethan just
Speaker 1: does his job, doesn't ask for you know, recognition is
Speaker 1: Ethan sending you notes like what don't want? Are you
Speaker 1: guys having a Stat's affair without us here? Is that
Speaker 1: what's going on? Because we're not getting these notes anymore.
Speaker 1: Then Ethan sends him to me because he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to make you feel bad because if you see it,
Speaker 1: then there's competition. And Ethan just does his job. He's
Speaker 1: a prose prob. Are you sitting around at night like
Speaker 1: glowing looking at your phone? Or is your wife like
Speaker 1: who are you texting? Yeah? Late night texting with Ethan,
Speaker 1: the stats guy, like the State Farm commercial? Who are
Speaker 1: you talking to Ethan? Yeah? Ethan? What are you wearing khakis?
Speaker 1: Ethan also starts movies and then stops halfway through. He
Speaker 1: watches them in parts a day over day, like hey, hey,
Speaker 1: Dan just watched half of Big Lubowski, who was awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then he puts on the Sacramento Kings game and you
Speaker 1: guys chop that up. Yeah, Ethan also waited ten years
Speaker 1: to watch Breaking Bad, has never watched The Sopranos, and
Speaker 1: he loves Hamilton. Hey, it's a good fellow of the
Speaker 1: original Knst. He's seen it place. Yeah, yes, pretty much
Speaker 1: everybody loves Hamilton, except for seats for Seaton and his family.
Speaker 1: All right, so what's the poll question we're going with?
Speaker 1: I'm told hot pole question today. So we have a
Speaker 1: I'll let poly share. He has a wordy exactly right.
Speaker 1: He came up with it. Okay, you got a max
Speaker 1: contract to offer a position player to add to your team,
Speaker 1: and your team needs everything. Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, the
Speaker 1: tight end or Michael Thomas. Kittle and Thomas are twenty six,
Speaker 1: McCaffrey's twenty four all considered the best or amongst the
Speaker 1: best at their position, and all young. McCaffrey, George Kittle,
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas. And we're starting my team. I don't know
Speaker 1: who my quarterback. You have a great quarterback. I have
Speaker 1: a great question. He was my quarterback is Prescott? You
Speaker 1: gotta get Dak Prescott into PAULI. And this is about clicks.
Speaker 1: How about make it Jimmy Garoppolo, He's right in the
Speaker 1: middle m It's interesting. Well, then I would take George
Speaker 1: Kittle because I have to take pressure off Jimmy Garoppolo
Speaker 1: and Kittle. Kittle's a great blocker and obviously a great
Speaker 1: you know, him and Kelsey probably the two best tight
Speaker 1: ends in football. I probably go Kittle because I think
Speaker 1: he can give you blocking and also he can he
Speaker 1: can beat you deep too. I mean, he's a great,
Speaker 1: great player. So I would probably say Kittle. Yes, is
Speaker 1: Kittle like the top the number one guy? Now? Is that?
Speaker 1: Is it? Kelsey Kittle? I think Kittle got a lot
Speaker 1: more publicity last year because people got to see his
Speaker 1: personality and then you go to the Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: you get that notoriety. You know, Kelsey of course rode
Speaker 1: that wave too, getting a lot of publicity. But but
Speaker 1: on that offense with San Francisco, we didn't talk about
Speaker 1: too many, you know, raheem most we only talked about
Speaker 1: him in the Super Bowl. We talked a little bit more,
Speaker 1: well a lot more about Garoppolo. But then Kittle emerged
Speaker 1: as the guy that they talk about with that offense there. McCaffrey,
Speaker 1: he just turned twenty four, Yeah, yeah, how is that possible?
Speaker 1: How could he only be twenty four. He's been around
Speaker 1: for a decade. Feels like that. I think the first
Speaker 1: time we talked to him, he was a sophomore in college.
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas. I remember Michael Thomas when he was at
Speaker 1: Ohio State, and I thought, like you, I look at
Speaker 1: the Ohio statewide receivers and I always think, boy, he'll
Speaker 1: be great next level. But they're interchangeable. Although Thomas is
Speaker 1: not a speed guy, he's maybe Larry Fitzgerald Chris Carter
Speaker 1: type where he's gonna if you throw it, he's gonna
Speaker 1: catch it, obviously, But you know, I just didn't see
Speaker 1: that coming. Where you go, that guy's gonna have one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty catches one season. You're gonna go, I
Speaker 1: don't know is gonna be able to get open. But
Speaker 1: Thomas is great. I think wide receivers, there's a few
Speaker 1: wide receivers. There's only a couple of tight ends Kittle
Speaker 1: and Kelsey and maybe I'm missing somebody here, McCaffrey. To
Speaker 1: be able to run for a thousand and receive for
Speaker 1: at least a thousand, that's that's really, really, really rare.
Speaker 1: Now can you continue to do it? And it's going
Speaker 1: to be for a team that's gonna be average, whereas
Speaker 1: Kittle has been playing for a playoff team, and so
Speaker 1: is Michael Thomas. But that's interesting. Pol question Lawrence in
Speaker 1: New York joining us. Hey Lawrence, what do you have
Speaker 1: for me today? Hi? First time caller, love the show.
Speaker 1: Thank you. So you guys were talking running backs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I forgive you guys. Everybody always slips are sleeps on
Speaker 1: pet I mean, they've been an NFL factory of Hall
Speaker 1: of famers probably for the last thirty five forty years,
Speaker 1: but I would definitely make the case for them being
Speaker 1: running back. You Dorset, Curtis Martin, Craig Hayward, Shady, McCloy,
Speaker 1: Dion Lewis. I mean a few of those guys are
Speaker 1: going to the Hall of Fame. So just want today.
Speaker 1: That's good. Thank you, Lawrence. We don't know at all,
Speaker 1: We don't even act like we know at all, but
Speaker 1: pit football running backs, I'm never Rosterdayalen, I'm in since
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen schools with US. Just most running backs drafted
Speaker 1: since twenty fifteen. Guys want a guess um Alabama seven,
Speaker 1: Miami five, Georgia five, LSU four, Oklahoma four, Florida four
Speaker 1: since twenty fifteen. Georgia running backs DeAndre Swift, Sony Michelle,
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb, Keith Marshall, and Todd Gurley. It's a good group.
Speaker 1: But previous callers talking about Pitt. You know, Tony Dorsett
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Curtis Martin is what second or third
Speaker 1: on the all time list, He's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: Craig Ironhead Heyward was a really good running back, James
Speaker 1: Connor Pitt h Yeah. The positions change though, and what
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame numbers are going to be. And I
Speaker 1: don't envy these Hall of Fame voters in ten years
Speaker 1: from now. How you assess a Hall of Fame running back?
Speaker 1: You know, Adrian Peterson is kind of the dinosaur. I
Speaker 1: don't know if we're going to have somebody who played
Speaker 1: that way and the number of you know, yards that
Speaker 1: they put up that he might be the last guy
Speaker 1: because everybody else it feels like they're gonna be. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be saying how many receptions did you have? Yeah, McLean,
Speaker 1: I mean, Elliott and McCaffrey seemed like they're on that trajectory,
Speaker 1: don't they. I mean, oh, I would never do trajectory
Speaker 1: with running backs. That's dangerous. All of a sudden, these
Speaker 1: guys just fall off the cliff. Von Bell was on
Speaker 1: that traject Oh yeah, he was reinventing the position with
Speaker 1: that that kind of slide and then he would just
Speaker 1: dart and he'd find the hole. He'd slide and dart.
Speaker 1: And when's the last time you brought up Levy on
Speaker 1: Bell's name as one of the great running backs. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Point Now people are sending in college running back Tannams,
Speaker 1: Reggie Bush and Lendale White at USC. Lendale didn't have
Speaker 1: a great pro career, but he was very tough in college. Well,
Speaker 1: he went to Tennessee. He played for the Titans, but
Speaker 1: he was a powerback. I mean that that was a
Speaker 1: but that was a pro team. The USC's team was
Speaker 1: great because lener didn't turn out to be a good
Speaker 1: pro and Lendale White he might have had one or
Speaker 1: two decent ears there. I thought Reggie I thought Reggie
Speaker 1: Bush had a good NFL career, not as good based
Speaker 1: off what he did at USC, but I still think
Speaker 1: did he rush for a thousand yards? I think maybe
Speaker 1: twice or twice something like that. But you're taking that
Speaker 1: high and he wasn't in between the tackles guy. And
Speaker 1: you know, we just saw him at USC where everybody
Speaker 1: looked elusive, everybody looked great, everybody looked like a first
Speaker 1: team All American him point. I always thought that Reggie
Speaker 1: Bush was used incorrectly. I think they looked at him
Speaker 1: the pros, yes, and the prosy. They bought into that
Speaker 1: he can't run between the tackles thing because he's too small.
Speaker 1: When he could and they're not doing that with Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 1: They are giving them ball enough times inside the tackles,
Speaker 1: saying let's just see what happens. And Reggie Bush his
Speaker 1: first few years in the league, he would average about
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty carries and that's that's not enough.
Speaker 1: But they he caught the ball a ton. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: and that I understood how they were using him that way,
Speaker 1: But I don't know if it was a fair criticism.
Speaker 1: They couldn't run between the tackles. But if you had
Speaker 1: Lendale White, then you didn't use Reggie Bush to run
Speaker 1: between the tackles or have to. Yeah, mclub, they had
Speaker 1: another running back and I'm planking on his name. They
Speaker 1: he was mixed in with that deuce deuce McAllister era
Speaker 1: early Pierre Thomas era, which I know you loved. I
Speaker 1: did love Pierre Thomas my fantasy tea. I had deuce
Speaker 1: McAllister and Pierre Thomas on my fantasy teams. Deuce McAllister
Speaker 1: was one of my favorites with the Saint great running
Speaker 1: back names. Yes for fifty Alex and the answer is
Speaker 1: deuce McAllister. I know it's not a pole, but do
Speaker 1: you want the power between the tackles guy, or do
Speaker 1: you want the Austin Eckler can do everything guy. He's
Speaker 1: the hot Pro football focus guy. Now, well, can I
Speaker 1: have both? Yeah? I think you've convinced everyone that you
Speaker 1: need two guys now, but it just seems like that way.
Speaker 1: I always have a fresh running back in there, kind
Speaker 1: of like me and Ethan, Like you need two of us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ethan's a Derrick Henry. I'm more of a I don't know,
Speaker 1: Austin Eckler. Austin, I'm more like a Austin Eckler might
Speaker 1: be shooting too high. Yeah, Auston Eckler, It's well, they
Speaker 1: let Melvin Gordon go. You're more of a Peyton Hillis type.
Speaker 1: My club. Remember Peyton Hillis he had like two seasons
Speaker 1: when the Arkansas running back when he on the cover
Speaker 1: of Madden. Yeah, how many people said no before they
Speaker 1: got the Peyton Hillis? I don't know. I think I
Speaker 1: got one. Jordan Howard. I'm the Jordan Howard wherever the
Speaker 1: Bears running back at the right spot I can do. Okay,
Speaker 1: got super fast. All right, We'll take a break. More
Speaker 1: phone calls coming up, and we'll check in with the
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Speaker 1: join us and LSH head coach. Coach Oh, we'll join
Speaker 1: us in the final hour. But play of the day's
Speaker 1: up next, and phone calls after this from The Dan
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Speaker 1: a couple of phone calls in here Phil in Indiana.
Speaker 1: Hey Phil, what do you have for me today? Hey,
Speaker 1: good morning, Dan. Always great to be with you. I'm
Speaker 1: missing something on the Dak Prescott discussion. I don't even
Speaker 1: think he's one of the top ten quarterbacks in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He wants to be paid like he's in the top three.
Speaker 1: I don't know why people should be surprised that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are skeptical. In one of the one of the
Speaker 1: biggest games of this season last year, Dan against the Eagles.
Speaker 1: He had one of the most awful performances against a
Speaker 1: very mediocre Philadelphia team where they couldn't questioned the division.
Speaker 1: I'm just missing something on this, Dan. Well, here's the thing, Phil,
Speaker 1: and thanks for the phone call. And I've been saying this.
Speaker 1: Each quarterback who's up next doesn't have to make more
Speaker 1: than the guy who preceded him. But that's the flow,
Speaker 1: that's the trend. You need to have a mid level
Speaker 1: where you just say this is how good we think
Speaker 1: you are. Now the agent doesn't want to be that guy,
Speaker 1: or he won't be your agent any longer. Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: you know he's not gonna be the highest paid quarterback
Speaker 1: because that's Patrick Mahomes. But did he overplay his hand?
Speaker 1: I thought for a couple of reasons you didn't win
Speaker 1: your division. You were really good and really bad at times.
Speaker 1: Your team was eight and eight, and I don't care
Speaker 1: if you threw for almost five thousand yards because the
Speaker 1: top five quarterbacks in passing yards last year did not
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. I need to know what. You can't
Speaker 1: lose to Buffalo at home. You can't. And it's not
Speaker 1: all on him. But look, quarterback, we ride with you
Speaker 1: when you're doing well. You get credit when you win,
Speaker 1: more credit when you win a big game in a
Speaker 1: super Bowl, and you're gonna get blamed. That goes along
Speaker 1: with the territory. But if you're gonna say, hey, you're
Speaker 1: gonna make this amount of money and it's going to
Speaker 1: be commensurate with some of these other quarterbacks, is Dak
Speaker 1: better than Carson Wentz? And the answer is no. Is
Speaker 1: he better than Jared Goff? Close? Probably he's not better
Speaker 1: than Russell Wilson. Why is he getting paid more than
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson? Well, he's the next guy up. It's such
Speaker 1: a flaw. I mean, I give me Agent's credit. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the next guy up, like DeShawn Watson. Deshaun Watson's gonna
Speaker 1: want forty million dollars a year. Is he worth it?
Speaker 1: I would say no, But if that's the going price,
Speaker 1: I mean, look back on some of these contracts, and
Speaker 1: there you go. At the time, we were like, can
Speaker 1: you believe they're paying this guy that amount of money?
Speaker 1: He was the going rate, And now you look back
Speaker 1: and you go, well, they got kind of a bargain there.
Speaker 1: If Jerry Jones really wanted Dak Prescott as his quarterback,
Speaker 1: he should have signed him last year before the start
Speaker 1: of the season when I told that he was going
Speaker 1: Maybe I sound angry because I was told he was
Speaker 1: going to sign him, but he didn't. Now that's why
Speaker 1: I'm mad. Oh no, I believe that they were going
Speaker 1: to sign him and for whatever reason, they decided not to.
Speaker 1: And if they could have signed him for Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: money and then you get a bargain there, you're not
Speaker 1: getting a bargain now, and maybe a tag him one
Speaker 1: more year. All right. I assume they're all in on
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. They just want him at a certain number.
Speaker 1: We'll head to the NBA bubble coming up next year.
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