Speaker 1: Welcome to episode number four to twenty of the Marine
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Speaker 1: Mariners All Stars with the game coming up next month.
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Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling and we welcome you to this
Speaker 1: episode of the Marine Layer podcast, part of the Just
Speaker 1: Baseball podcast network, Recording here on Tuesday evening, June twenty third.
Speaker 1: I thought here after the Mariners won the first game
Speaker 1: against the Pittsburgh Pirates on Tuesday night, that swing from
Speaker 1: Cole Young was one of the coolest things I've seen.
Speaker 1: You don't get to draw up how your first game
Speaker 1: playing in your home city can go pretty much any
Speaker 1: better than hitting a go ahead, two run home run
Speaker 1: against the team you grew up rooting for. I don't
Speaker 1: think Gorvin Carroll did that when he came back here,
Speaker 1: if I remember right. I don't think Gosh, pick a Mariner.
Speaker 1: I like JP Crawford hit a go ahead to run
Speaker 1: home run against the Dodgers or the Angels when he
Speaker 1: went back for the first time. No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: So to have that happen for Cole Young, I thought
Speaker 1: that was amazing.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure Naylor did it against the Blue Jays.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure Cal did it against the Red Sox. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it doesn't really happen all that much. To see that
Speaker 2: go down, and to see Aaron Goldsmith basically segue into
Speaker 2: it like he was calling, like he was calling it
Speaker 2: and he could see it coming, and then for Cole
Speaker 2: Young to actually go and do it. You dream of
Speaker 2: stuff like Batman. Don't you think the two of us
Speaker 2: would dream of hitting a home run in T Mobile Park,
Speaker 2: Not that would ever happen, but that's what every person
Speaker 2: dreams about when you grow up playing baseball. Cole Young
Speaker 2: got to actually live it through and to do it
Speaker 2: against the team he grew up against, to help the
Speaker 2: Mariners get a win. That was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: The only thing that would have made that better is
Speaker 1: if Kutch was still there. Oh yeah, but Andrew mccutch it,
Speaker 1: where is he?
Speaker 2: Thes Dannies, Well, he was, he was with the Rangers
Speaker 2: and then they defade him. I would say if he
Speaker 2: hit it over Cutch his head, If Cole Young went
Speaker 2: straight to dead center and hit it over mccutcheen's head
Speaker 2: into the Pirates hedging out in center field, maybe that's
Speaker 2: the only way it gets better. But to do what
Speaker 2: he did was pretty nuts. So much poetry from the.
Speaker 1: Two young guys of this season. You have Colt hitting
Speaker 1: a home run over Jared Kelnick's head for his first
Speaker 1: career hit, first career home run, and you have Cole
Speaker 1: Young homering back in Pittsburgh. That's pretty cool and objectively
Speaker 1: in a huge moment of the game, knocking Mitch Keller out.
Speaker 1: Did what he needed to do. And it's not been
Speaker 1: since the first month of the season not been the
Speaker 1: smoothest sailing for Cole He's come back to earth offensively.
Speaker 1: He's sitting right about league average offensively, so for him
Speaker 1: to come up with a home run in that spot
Speaker 1: was that's pretty big. It's an overwhelmingly positive note for
Speaker 1: the first game in Pittsburgh after an objectively negative home
Speaker 1: series against the Boston Red Sox. It made us forget
Speaker 1: about all these other things we were talking about loud like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, piggybacks.
Speaker 2: Did it make us forget or did it just let
Speaker 2: us have a moment of bliss on Tuesday night?
Speaker 1: I'll say moment of bliss.
Speaker 2: I think that's right. Ah, one up at two. The
Speaker 2: only way it would have been made better for Cole
Speaker 2: Young is if he hit it all the way into
Speaker 2: the Allegheny because that ball went pretty far up the
Speaker 2: right field deck. If he had just gotten a little
Speaker 2: bit more of it and it actually cleared the bleachers,
Speaker 2: that would have been nuts.
Speaker 1: Him getting interviewed postgame cracked me up. It was as
Speaker 1: on brand Cole Young as humanly possible. Brad Adam goes so, Cole,
Speaker 1: now that you got all your family hear and you
Speaker 1: hit this huge home run, what are you gonna do
Speaker 1: to celebrate, and Cole says, uh, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I think we'll just talk on the field after the game.
Speaker 1: And it's like, and.
Speaker 2: What's that is?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 2: Isn't Cole Young trying to deflect an answer and be boring.
Speaker 2: I think that's literally just the first thing that came
Speaker 2: to his head and was what came out of his mouth.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, Brad, we're gonna go.
Speaker 2: We're gonna go out.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get like, we're gonna go grab a couple
Speaker 1: of drinks and enjoy the moment. No, we're gonna stand
Speaker 1: on the field and talk to each other. Cole cracks
Speaker 1: me out. He's he's so hilariously on brand as a
Speaker 1: human being. He's I don't think he's gonna change. I
Speaker 1: really think that's just gonna be as personality his entire time.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what like thirty five year
Speaker 1: old dude, bro Cole Young is talking like.
Speaker 2: I cannot wait. I mean, do you remember when the
Speaker 2: Mariners did the whole video of when he got called
Speaker 2: up to the big leagues and John Russell, the Triple
Speaker 2: A manager, pulls him to his side in the dugout
Speaker 2: and tells him the news that he's going up to
Speaker 2: Seattle and all his teammates start hugging him and start
Speaker 2: congratulating him, and Cole doesn't have any words. And it's
Speaker 2: hard to have words in that moment because you wait
Speaker 2: your whole life for that moment. But I think the
Speaker 2: first thing that comes out of Cole Young's mouth was,
Speaker 2: I guess I'll go get my stuff.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: He's like, he's not purposely trying to be funny, but
Speaker 2: he's very funny.
Speaker 1: That's great. He's he's the only Actually that's not true.
Speaker 1: Maybe is he the only one with this type of
Speaker 1: personality on the roster? Maybe exactly that personality.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think he is.
Speaker 1: He certainly is unique and he gives off like you know,
Speaker 1: him and JP Crawford are like similar, like general vibe,
Speaker 1: but each you're like different in the way they go
Speaker 1: about doing it doing it. I don't think JP is
Speaker 1: like a dude bro kind of guy, no, but Cole Young,
Speaker 1: Cole Young definitely is.
Speaker 2: Cole Young is the most Southern California dude ever to
Speaker 2: come from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. So we're happy for Cole, happy that
Speaker 1: he did that. The Mirrors didn't play a fantastic game
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, Victor roebliss Well nearly gave me an aneurysm
Speaker 1: in what was it, the seventh inning? He almost drove me,
Speaker 1: like insane.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, Goldie kind of let him have it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like on brand for the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: six mirrors. Like, how however you can like draw up
Speaker 1: terrible base running Victor roeblist did? I mean? And Angie
Speaker 1: was like, look, not only do you are you like
Speaker 1: misreading this ball in the outfield and you're you're gonna
Speaker 1: get back picked if they do end up catching it,
Speaker 1: but then you don't score, and then you overrun third
Speaker 1: base and then you don't slide any Like, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been shocked if be Tor up his knee doing that.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was the same lunch that both Dom can Zone
Speaker 1: and and Randy Rosarina got hurt at first base, except
Speaker 1: this one was at third.
Speaker 2: I thought Vic was hurt for a second because he
Speaker 2: kind of bend down and it looked like he was
Speaker 2: favoring one of his legs, and I was like, uh, oh,
Speaker 2: seems like he's all right. But yeah, that was that
Speaker 2: was not great. And again like yeah, Goldie and he
Speaker 2: kind of said like, basically, you know, he gotta be
Speaker 2: more heads up.
Speaker 1: Than that, and Victor's supposed to be one of their
Speaker 1: good base runners.
Speaker 2: So Mariners just so twenty twenty six Mariners with the
Speaker 2: base running mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Kirby was fine, Like everything else about the game was fine.
Speaker 1: Cal finally homeward for the first time in two months,
Speaker 1: which is wonderful to see. We're happy that he's back
Speaker 1: on the board in the in the home run department,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any team from this game that's
Speaker 1: going to be like, yeah, I can for sure tell
Speaker 1: you the Mariners are going to win both of these
Speaker 1: next two games, But there is something else that will
Speaker 1: tell me that, Lyle. Because the Mariners lost the last series,
Speaker 1: that means they have to win this series, so they
Speaker 1: can lose the series in Cleveland, and they got off
Speaker 1: to a good start in that department.
Speaker 2: They will win one of the next two in Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: and then they'll probably lose two of three in Cleveland.
Speaker 2: If they want to stay on brand, they'll do exactly that.
Speaker 1: They've been pretty much on brand for this game, so
Speaker 1: that that would check out. I think the only other
Speaker 1: real bit of news before we go and make some
Speaker 1: All Star game cases for these guys. Is we have
Speaker 1: our next piggyback date and it will be Logan Gilbert
Speaker 1: and Emerson Hancock coming up this Saturday in Cleveland. Hmmm.
Speaker 1: So there. So when I was trying to project it
Speaker 1: when they initially decided on it, I think I had
Speaker 1: I had Woin Kirby today and Dead. They essentially flipped them.
Speaker 1: So the projections were right about what what turn in
Speaker 1: the rotation they were going to do it, but for
Speaker 1: this one they said they were going to do Logan
Speaker 1: Gilbert first and then they're gonna do Kirbean wu uh
Speaker 1: for our during our next watch party at Occidental Hall, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, if you came out to the one
Speaker 1: this Sunday at queen An Beer Hall, thank you. Hope
Speaker 1: you enjoy your free stein. It was fabulous. We had
Speaker 1: some giveaways, we watched the Mariners ate some great food,
Speaker 1: drink some great Corona beer. It was fantastic. Our next
Speaker 1: one will be for that two o'clock Blue Jays game
Speaker 1: on Sunday, July fifth, So if you want to mark
Speaker 1: that in your calendar, you missed this last one because
Speaker 1: you're out doing Father's Day activities, and you want to
Speaker 1: come to this next one July fifth, like one five
Speaker 1: will be there and then we'll be taping after at
Speaker 1: Occidental Hall, so at Oxtenal Hall outside the ballpark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so come watch the game with us, or if
Speaker 2: you're at the game, then after the game, come on,
Speaker 2: come on over and we'll be taping live. So feel
Speaker 2: free to come hang out while we tape the pod. Well,
Speaker 2: in regard to this piggyback tage with Logan Gilbert in
Speaker 2: the news this week, you.
Speaker 1: Might have to remind me he won American League Player
Speaker 1: of the Week.
Speaker 2: Oh oh oh, and he's piggybacking. Oh that's fine.
Speaker 1: The Mariners have managed to intent I mean intentionally being
Speaker 1: the they're the ones deciding on this piggyback, but also
Speaker 1: almost unintentionally lining up. So the first two iterations of
Speaker 1: the piggyback just so happened to feature in the first
Speaker 1: iteration their best current picture pitcher and the second one
Speaker 1: of reigning American League Player of the Week.
Speaker 2: So, by the way, we didn't talk about it on
Speaker 2: Monday's pod, and honestly it's because I don't think I
Speaker 2: had seen a lot of the Friday postgame quotes until
Speaker 2: early in this week. But dude, Bryce Miller rightfully did
Speaker 2: not sound happy again on Friday after he was pulled out.
Speaker 1: No, he he did not. We were told everyone was
Speaker 1: on board with this plan. We weren't told they were
Speaker 1: happy about this plan.
Speaker 2: No, there's a difference. Accepting and excited are two very
Speaker 2: different things. And when Bryce Miller in the moment gets
Speaker 2: yanked at sixty six pitches, when he's essentially spinning a
Speaker 2: gem because he's at five innings of one run ball,
Speaker 2: and then he's like, yeah, you're done, and Luise comes
Speaker 2: in and gives up four runs, it's kind of tough
Speaker 2: to swallow. Man.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a thought in the back of Bryce's head
Speaker 1: that it could happen like the first time they did
Speaker 1: the piggyback, where if he's really dealing so much, they'll
Speaker 1: just leave him out there. Perhaps he was just grasping
Speaker 1: onto that. Perhaps he was or perhaps what he was
Speaker 1: accepting of the idea until he was in the moment
Speaker 1: and he was like, why am I coming out of
Speaker 1: this game? This doesn't make any sense right, And he
Speaker 1: ended up getting pulled. But Bryce did, on all accounts,
Speaker 1: agreed to do this plan. He said, it's a preset plan,
Speaker 1: so you can't argue against it very much. So that's
Speaker 1: where we're at with the Mariners piggyback. And while it
Speaker 1: is true, like what we said, where of all the scenarios,
Speaker 1: this one does work best because the guys only lose
Speaker 1: two to three innings through the turns of this rotation.
Speaker 1: When these piggybacks are happening during these three weeks, it's
Speaker 1: not making the Mariners look very good.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, the optics look brutal. Oh yeah, again, this
Speaker 2: is a lot of hurdle jumping to keep a guy
Speaker 2: happy with a five twenty two era. I know Luis
Speaker 2: Castillo has been a little bit better since May first,
Speaker 2: because since May first and on, as era sits at
Speaker 2: about four point five, that's not much to write home about, man,
Speaker 2: And you've got other guys that are very, very clearly
Speaker 2: better options.
Speaker 1: This isn't even to say like the two starts completely
Speaker 1: changed how we're thinking about Logan Gilbert's twenty twenty six season,
Speaker 1: because if you remember, there was a mailbag question a
Speaker 1: couple episodes ago where we're asking who would make the
Speaker 1: most sense to piggyback with Luis Castile before they had
Speaker 1: announced their plan. I threwout Logan Gilbert as an option
Speaker 1: because to that point he had been struggling third time through.
Speaker 1: Now the next couple starts after that, or were the
Speaker 1: two starts he had, and he absolutely dominated. Two starts
Speaker 1: don't make a season, though, I'm interested to see how
Speaker 1: different pitchers will handle this scenario in Logan Gilbert and
Speaker 1: Emson Hancock, especially who throws first. That's gonna be fascinating.
Speaker 1: It's says Emerson, because Emerson Hancock it's his turn in
Speaker 1: the rotation first before Logan. But Logan's the more established guys.
Speaker 1: So who are they going to give the ball to?
Speaker 2: They already said Logan's gonna start.
Speaker 1: Oh they did, Okay, Well there you go. That answers
Speaker 1: that question.
Speaker 2: Also, Logan's last six starts, he's got a one forty
Speaker 2: nine ERA, So I know there was a question about
Speaker 2: who should piggyback, but objectively, since about the middle of May,
Speaker 2: Man Logan's been pretty damn good and.
Speaker 1: In fact, really look, I never said they should piggyback him.
Speaker 1: I just said he was an option.
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, if you want to put your best
Speaker 2: starters on the field and they may not do this
Speaker 2: because they may want to manage Kay's innings. But eventually,
Speaker 2: I don't mean right now, eventually, I mean what if
Speaker 2: if Emerson Hancock starts to get toward his innings limit,
Speaker 2: because I think he's gonna be on one two, post
Speaker 2: All Star break, post trade deadline, et cetera. I mean,
Speaker 2: is there a world that it's Luise and Emerson Hancock
Speaker 2: that go to the bullpen? You start like Kate, You
Speaker 2: start letting Kate Anderson start games, and who knows, maybe
Speaker 2: Kaid's got a chance to start postseason games if he
Speaker 2: that pitches that well.
Speaker 1: Hmm. I think that's less likely than the Mariners putting
Speaker 1: Kate in the bullpen and putting Louise in the rotation,
Speaker 1: which is wrong if you're trying to put your best
Speaker 1: pitchers out there. But I have a feeling that's more
Speaker 1: likely what they would do.
Speaker 2: Why they're so insistent on Louise specifically, I just I
Speaker 2: don't really know to.
Speaker 1: Make much sense. Besides the money, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there again, I don't know if
Speaker 2: they're trying to keep them stretched out because they're trying
Speaker 2: to keep his trade value up in case something comes
Speaker 2: up at the deadline, even though I don't know who's
Speaker 2: gonna take on that contract and give you something serviceable
Speaker 2: back in return. Which is why I keeps saying he'd
Speaker 2: be best utilized as a bullpen arm, because by the way,
Speaker 2: Luis was throwing ninety nine on Friday. Now, it didn't
Speaker 2: like the good results didn't last. He only had that
Speaker 2: one really good inning, but he was throwing hard in
Speaker 2: a short spurt, which is why I think to myself, well,
Speaker 2: why couldn't he become a bullpen arm? And then if
Speaker 2: somebody gets hurt in the rotation, Caid's right there. You
Speaker 2: would need two starters to get hurt to essentially need
Speaker 2: Louise Castillo to get back into the rotation if you
Speaker 2: were to move him to the bullpen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I still feel like there's a more likely
Speaker 1: chance that Louise stays in the rotation than Caid goes
Speaker 1: into the rotation. They just they haven't They haven't given
Speaker 1: us any proof that it would be the other way around,
Speaker 1: because the logical baseball winning play for this rotation is
Speaker 1: putting Luise in the bullpen. You have your starter depth
Speaker 1: in Kate Anderson, and you let your current five guys
Speaker 1: who are all pitching well at points continue to throw
Speaker 1: or they haven't done that, So would they change that
Speaker 1: up to put the least proven starter albeit dominating the
Speaker 1: minor leagues, straight into the rotation and putting Luis Castillo
Speaker 1: in the bullpen when they won't even do it for
Speaker 1: established major league starters like that. That's what I'm sitting
Speaker 1: here like sort of puzzled about.
Speaker 2: The biggest question again being why do they continue to
Speaker 2: insist on this? And I can't know, and nobody knows.
Speaker 2: The Mariners haven't given a good answer on this. They've
Speaker 2: been pretty tight lipped about why they are so insistent
Speaker 2: on this, other than oh, we just like all our pitchers.
Speaker 1: They want to keep them stretched out. But why do
Speaker 1: they want to keep them stretched out right?
Speaker 2: Which is what makes me think that this is some
Speaker 2: long term play to try to keep his trade value
Speaker 2: up at the deadline. That's what I think is a
Speaker 2: real possibility. Otherwise I don't have a good other possible
Speaker 2: reasoning other than there's something in his contract that's not
Speaker 2: public that we don't know about that's somehow like forcing
Speaker 2: the Mariner's hand to keep letting him start games.
Speaker 1: I know you and I think the same way on this.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it could be trading him at
Speaker 1: the deadline. I don't think he's tradable.
Speaker 2: So then what the hell is going on? Is it
Speaker 2: to so then it do go to my second option.
Speaker 2: And there's no way to know this for sure because
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be public. But is there something in his
Speaker 2: contract that's not public that's essentially forcing them to keep
Speaker 2: letting him pitch?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it's possible if.
Speaker 2: The Mariners missed the playoffs by a slim number of games,
Speaker 2: this piggyback's going to come roaring back in a wild way.
Speaker 2: In terms of a conversation at the end of September.
Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking, as we were getting ready
Speaker 1: to record, there is one iteration of this they have
Speaker 1: yet to try that might be better than what they
Speaker 1: are currently doing right now. We have not seen a
Speaker 1: strictly Emerson Hancock Luis Castill piggyback because Emerson has struggled
Speaker 1: a bit in his last few starts. We mentioned him
Speaker 1: as an option to piggyback due to his innings limits
Speaker 1: and his struggles third time through the order. And I'd
Speaker 1: imagine as he pitches deeper into the season, we might
Speaker 1: see a bit of a velocity dip from him, just
Speaker 1: given the fact he's going into territory he hasn't been
Speaker 1: in a while slash. Ever, the All Star Break comes
Speaker 1: up after they're done with this current piggyback experiment, They'll
Speaker 1: have four days off and then, as most teams do,
Speaker 1: they reshuffle a rotation. Was it last year or the
Speaker 1: year before the Mariners went with a four man rotation
Speaker 1: out of the All Star Break because they could because
Speaker 1: the off day allowed them to do a four man rotation,
Speaker 1: or maybe it was beginning of this year. Regardless, teams
Speaker 1: have the ability if the off days line up, to
Speaker 1: do that kind of thing. What this would allow the
Speaker 1: Mariners to do out of the All Star Break is
Speaker 1: they could line up their four best starters, which are
Speaker 1: Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, Brian Woon, Bryce Miller pretty clearly
Speaker 1: right now those four guys, and then you piggyback Emerson
Speaker 1: Hancock and Luis Castillo as the fifth starter there. I
Speaker 1: do feel like, given where the Mariners are at right now,
Speaker 1: that would be the least least controversial to the fans.
Speaker 2: And maybe after the All Star Break they do.
Speaker 1: That because after the All Star break, like, they can't
Speaker 1: go back to the other old options, which they told
Speaker 1: us they didn't like. I mean, Bryce Miller's told everyone
Speaker 1: publicly that he didn't like the first version where he's
Speaker 1: stuck you with the piggyback. The Mariners told us they
Speaker 1: didn't like the six man rotation, and now you've already
Speaker 1: had Bryce Miller come out against this version of this
Speaker 1: version of it. And that's not including what all the
Speaker 1: other guys think about it as well, knowing they only
Speaker 1: had to give up three innings to do this. If
Speaker 1: the front office comes to them and says, hey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna actually need you to give up more innings, then
Speaker 1: guys might start having an issue with this.
Speaker 2: I'll say Bryce milleranen't quite come out against this iteration
Speaker 2: of it, but he certainly didn't sound like he was
Speaker 2: publicly endorsing it either.
Speaker 1: The tone was not positive.
Speaker 2: I think if you read the tea leaves you can
Speaker 2: make out a conclusion. Bryce did not directly say it
Speaker 2: kind of the way he did last time, but you
Speaker 2: can read the tea leaves, and again, Bryce's totally right
Speaker 2: for feeling that way. I would be pissed if I
Speaker 2: had thrown five innings at sixty six pitches of one
Speaker 2: run ball and was pulled out of the game.
Speaker 1: If anyone's got another suggestion on what else they could
Speaker 1: do besides all the other options we list off, please
Speaker 1: go leave us a comment. Besides moving Louis Castillo to
Speaker 1: the bullpen, which we've literally just been talking about for
Speaker 1: a month now about them doing and they've still yet
Speaker 1: to do it, I don't know what, like, literally what
Speaker 1: else they do after the All Star break besides pair
Speaker 1: up Emerson, Hancock and and Luis Castile. Emerson unfortunately also
Speaker 1: doesn't have as much cachet at the big league level
Speaker 1: as those other guys do, so like if he pushes
Speaker 1: back against it, he just has less ground to stand
Speaker 1: on than multi year established starters. Loging over George Kirby,
Speaker 1: Bryan lu and Bryce Miller.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I agreed.
Speaker 1: That's where we're at with the piggyback our daily piggybackup date.
Speaker 2: Oh good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do have some All Star Game cases to
Speaker 1: be to make. The Mariners do have quite a few options.
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Speaker 1: Star Game is what four weeks? Three and a half
Speaker 1: weeks away, Low and I will be there, will be
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. If any of you are going dm us,
Speaker 1: come say hi, especially if you're from the East Coast
Speaker 1: and you know Philly better than we do. We could
Speaker 1: always use some pointers, always could use some suggestions. We'll
Speaker 1: be there. What Mariners are going to join us there? Lyle.
Speaker 1: We have a bunch of options from this current roster
Speaker 1: that we're going to go through and evaluate their canadacy
Speaker 1: to the twenty twenty six All Star Game. I want
Speaker 1: to start off with an obvious one. If Randy rose
Speaker 1: Aren is not an All Star, the process is broken.
Speaker 2: Literally, well the process is broken because if you've seen
Speaker 2: the voting results, it's.
Speaker 1: All Blue six. I mean, he's still in the field
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Listen. I hope this doesn't sound like an old man
Speaker 2: yelling at a cloud. I think we might have to
Speaker 2: do away with fan voting here pretty soon, at least
Speaker 2: fan voting having this much determination on who's starting, because
Speaker 2: there cannot be this many Blue Jays starting the All
Speaker 2: Star Game. It's just these are not the best players.
Speaker 2: This is all of Canada. Credit to them getting to
Speaker 2: the ballots and voting for their guys, but these aren't
Speaker 2: the best players you Cary.
Speaker 1: Rose aren is sixth right now. I think Dalton var
Speaker 1: Show is the one right behind him.
Speaker 2: They're everywhere. I mean, Kirk's the catcher, and Latti's at
Speaker 2: first base, over Ben Rice and over a bunch of
Speaker 2: other guys, and like Jamdez is up high in the polls.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Come on, maybe we could do fans fifty percent. You know,
Speaker 1: it would be wild. We did fans fifty percent and
Speaker 1: players fifty.
Speaker 2: Percent, it would be kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: Because if you think all respect to the players, if
Speaker 1: you if you think the fan voting is bad, the
Speaker 1: player voting is as random as it gets, like the
Speaker 1: NFL Top one hundred lists.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so maybe it should be a third fans,
Speaker 2: a third player is and a third media or front office.
Speaker 1: Maybe, or they can just do it how they do
Speaker 1: it with the pitchers, right, make it all the same.
Speaker 2: That's more what I would vote for, because there's usually
Speaker 2: a much more sound process to that. But yes, Randy
Speaker 2: Rose Arena should be an All Star, and I think
Speaker 2: he will be an All Star.
Speaker 1: Right now, he's on pace to be a set of
Speaker 1: career ion war among American League All American League players,
Speaker 1: he's ninth in WRC plus he's fourth, and steals he's thirteenth,
Speaker 1: and f WAR among outfielder he's outfielders he's third, he's
Speaker 1: first in steels, and he's fourth in WAR. That's like
Speaker 1: as slam dunk of a case as you could get
Speaker 1: for an All Star as you can literally. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: There's I don't know what discussion we can have with
Speaker 1: Randy Roserenn. If he's not an All Star, then they
Speaker 1: need to redo this process. He's been the Mariner's best
Speaker 1: player this season and he deserves to be there, legit.
Speaker 1: While he just honestly deserves to start, he did on
Speaker 1: he's right on the edge of getting one of those
Speaker 1: three starting outfield spots for the American League. That's how
Speaker 1: good he's been.
Speaker 2: I mean, Judge is gonna get one? Well, no, he's hurt.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Is he healthy? He is gonna be healthys not
Speaker 1: healthy either?
Speaker 2: Probably not so. Yeah, I guess that cuts down the
Speaker 2: field a little bit. Buxton will probably get one.
Speaker 1: Buxton makes it in the next three weeks healthy, then
Speaker 1: he'll get one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgetting any obvious ones. I mean Yourdan will
Speaker 2: probably DH right, he's not gonna play the outfield.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Let's let's see.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm I don't think I'm forgetting any
Speaker 2: crazy obvious ones.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. Like, Buxton has been the
Speaker 1: best outfielder in the American League by War this year.
Speaker 1: Trout is then the next close. Oh, Cody Bellinger is
Speaker 1: gonna have a pretty solid case. He's been really good
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 2: M hm.
Speaker 1: He's been a little more valuable than Randy. But the
Speaker 1: the only three outfielders that have been more valuable than
Speaker 1: Randy Rose arena on fangrafts are Trout, Bellinger, and Byron Buxton.
Speaker 1: Then the guys after him that'll be competing. I mean
Speaker 1: you'll have Saddan Rafaela. Also, this is totally random lyle
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with this conversation. Brian Rochio has
Speaker 1: the same war as Randy Rose Reina this year.
Speaker 2: How about that? Yeah, one guy does it all with
Speaker 2: his bat and one does it all with his glove.
Speaker 1: Pretty much after that, I mean it's Riley Green, Aaron Judge,
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Duran, But I mean Randy should be a overall
Speaker 1: these guys start.
Speaker 2: He's gonna get in. We'll see if he starts, and
Speaker 2: he'll he'll have a case too, But he's gonna get in.
Speaker 1: I have another interesting case for you for the Mariners.
Speaker 1: How about Dom Canzone.
Speaker 2: I mean, just by the numbers, he's certainly got a
Speaker 2: real case. It's just how much they value a platoon
Speaker 2: bat versus the rest of the field versus all those
Speaker 2: other guys you just mentioned, right, because he's gonna go
Speaker 2: up against like Judge and Trout will be hurt, but Buckston, Rafaela,
Speaker 2: who obviously does so much with the glove, Riley Green,
Speaker 2: you'll have Randy in there. Like Dom's not gonna accrue
Speaker 2: the war to be up in the ranks of the
Speaker 2: All Stars because he just doesn't play enough defense. He
Speaker 2: doesn't play every day. But if you're if you're factoring
Speaker 2: in just the offensive production of alongside platoon hitter in
Speaker 2: which Canzone is, then yeah, he's got a case. His
Speaker 2: ops is way over nine hundred.
Speaker 1: He would be a bench bet if he'd did make it.
Speaker 1: But major league Baseball would have to. It wouldn't be unprecedented,
Speaker 1: but it would be. They would make almost an exception
Speaker 1: for Dom Canzone. He has the fewest amount of plate
Speaker 1: appearances of anyone in the top thirty of WORC plus
Speaker 1: rankings in the American League this year. They would have
Speaker 1: to stretch a little bit to get him in. But
Speaker 1: if we're just talking production on the field, he's only
Speaker 1: had two hundred and one plate appearances and has been
Speaker 1: worth a war the one and a half war, like
Speaker 1: the pace of that as an All Star player.
Speaker 2: Sure, the comparison you could use here is honestly our
Speaker 2: favorite platoon hitter of this podcast. Carry Carpenter's never made
Speaker 2: an All Star game. Carry Carpenter's had some ridiculous seasons
Speaker 2: at the plate. I mean two years ago Carpenter had
Speaker 2: a nine to thirty two OPS for the year. Wasn't
Speaker 2: an All Star?
Speaker 1: What about that Jacques Pearson season?
Speaker 2: Huh?
Speaker 1: What about that Jack Peterson season? Which one he he
Speaker 1: had a season with I think it was the Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was with the Diamondbacks, So he had one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty two games played. He had a nine to
Speaker 1: oh eight OPS for the whole season. As a dh
Speaker 1: platoon head or net didn't make the All Star Game.
Speaker 2: It is tough for platoon bats. It just as hmm,
Speaker 2: I think there. I think there is a case for
Speaker 2: domin though. I well, now the other side of that.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be a pretty funny example, but it's
Speaker 2: a real example because Jesse Winker was a platoon player
Speaker 2: for the Reds and he made an All Star Game
Speaker 2: back in twenty one when he had a nine to
Speaker 2: fifty ops.
Speaker 1: Hmm, but didn't Jesse played against righty or lefty some.
Speaker 2: Not a ton He played one hundred and ten games
Speaker 2: that year.
Speaker 1: Well, he also had a problem getting hurt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's what it was here. If I can
Speaker 2: look at the splits fast, I'll do it for Winker.
Speaker 2: But again, like he mostly hit that year, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so maybe maybe he saw it. He had sixty three
Speaker 2: games against lefties and it says one hundred and seven
Speaker 2: against righties, which means because he only played one hundred
Speaker 2: and ten games, that means he was intermingling against each
Speaker 2: side of the plate.
Speaker 1: What we can say for Dom Canzona is that he
Speaker 1: has had an all Star caliber season, but he not
Speaker 1: might not have all Star credentials to do so, m H.
Speaker 2: I think that's right, But I think that's fair.
Speaker 1: All Star games don't like mean as much as winning games,
Speaker 1: so we'll see. The next guy is Julio Rodriguez, and
Speaker 1: Julio I think is right on the line. He is,
Speaker 1: I think skirting like right on the edge of whether
Speaker 1: or not he actually deserves to be an All Star
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 2: I think it'll be like last year, where if he
Speaker 2: gets in, unless something drastically changes in the next couple weeks,
Speaker 2: it'll be pretty late. Among center fielders, he is fourth
Speaker 2: among ale centerfielders in War. I believe it's Trout, Buxton,
Speaker 2: and Rafaela ahead of him. Yeah, it is, it's those three.
Speaker 2: Trout's obviously injured. But the thing about the All Star
Speaker 2: Game is it's not by position, it's just outfielders. They
Speaker 2: just stick the best outfielders out there, not the best
Speaker 2: left fielders, centerfielders, and right fielders. So if Julio gets in,
Speaker 2: I mean he's sitting in at about a one to
Speaker 2: eleven WRC plus he's got one and a half wins
Speaker 2: on fangrafts, which is down for him, well down in
Speaker 2: terms of what his overall pace would usually be for
Speaker 2: the year, but we also know a lot of his
Speaker 2: damage usually comes in the second half. So if he
Speaker 2: gets in, yeah, I think it's gonna be as an alternate,
Speaker 2: and I think it would be pretty late in the process.
Speaker 2: But I just don't know if he really has the
Speaker 2: accolades so far in the first half to say he
Speaker 2: is a definitive All Star.
Speaker 1: He's got essentially the same resume as he did last year.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't look like this at this point. Last year,
Speaker 1: on June twenty third, as we're recording this, he had
Speaker 1: the same WRC plus. Yeah, and he ended up making
Speaker 1: an All Star game last year by having a crazy
Speaker 1: final serie. Well, this isn't no. They selected him, he
Speaker 1: turned it down, and then he had a crazy final
Speaker 1: series and stayed home. That's what he did if I
Speaker 1: remember that order correctly. If he's going to get in,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get in off of name recognition. He's not
Speaker 1: going to get in off of accolade offensive accolades, at least,
Speaker 1: definitely not defensive accolades, because I think his case would
Speaker 1: be a bit better if his defense was at normal
Speaker 1: levels and his war was like one win higher, which
Speaker 1: I think it would be if he played defense at
Speaker 1: even last year's pace. But since he hasn't and he's
Speaker 1: you know, nursing a one toh nine WORC plus entering
Speaker 1: the game today with a one and a half war,
Speaker 1: that's it's not very not very convincing. But they could
Speaker 1: still end enough guys could opt out. He could end
Speaker 1: up playing anyways. Would he accept again, I honestly don't
Speaker 1: know if he would. I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe he'd want the time off again. I
Speaker 2: don't know if that was just a last year thing
Speaker 2: or reset that he now wants every year. Only Julio
Speaker 2: would really be able to answer that. But you're right
Speaker 2: that if he gets in, there is gonna be some
Speaker 2: name brand behind that rather than just pure production. Because
Speaker 2: I'll give you an example. I'm not even gonna throw
Speaker 2: out some random name. I'll give you some above average name.
Speaker 2: If Brandon Neimo had Julio's stats, I don't think Brandon
Speaker 2: Nemo's getting into the All Star Game, even as an alternate.
Speaker 2: What Julio does with his name recognition is up himself
Speaker 2: a little bit. Nimo wouldn't get in off those accolades.
Speaker 1: Or what about if this was let's do the have
Speaker 1: him do someone as the same position, because I don't
Speaker 1: think Neimo's a sumer at centerfielder anymore. How about if
Speaker 1: Saddan Rafaela had these numbers, would he be an All Star?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably not. Doesn't have the same name recognition.
Speaker 1: No he doesn't. I wouldn't be heartbroken whether or not
Speaker 1: Julio makes the All Star Game. I at this point
Speaker 1: of his career, given that Julio took last year's All
Speaker 1: Star Game off. Not totally trying to speak for him,
Speaker 1: but it's obviously not a make or break exc experience
Speaker 1: for him anymore. It doesn't seem like and the rest
Speaker 1: was very valuable for him because he had a much
Speaker 1: better second half than he did first half last year,
Speaker 1: and if you remember last year, I think the vibe
Speaker 1: around him was a little bit different this month. Julio's
Speaker 1: had a tough month, but overall it's been a productive
Speaker 1: time for him at the plate. Last year, it was
Speaker 1: a swirl of negativity heading into the All Star break.
Speaker 1: He could not figure it out at the plate at all,
Speaker 1: and the break made more sense. I would be a
Speaker 1: little bit more surprised this year if he just said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I need to focus on myself. But I also wouldn't
Speaker 1: bash against him because it worked, and you know, All
Speaker 1: Star Game is not the be all end all in
Speaker 1: my opinion.
Speaker 2: No agreed. Great.
Speaker 1: Before we get to the pitchers, we have three different
Speaker 1: mariners pitchers each with I think three unique cases to
Speaker 1: make the All Star Game coming up here in a month.
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Speaker 1: First picture we're going to talk about is Brian Wu.
Speaker 1: Brian wo through the first half as an era, sitting
Speaker 1: just under four as expected, numbers look significantly better and
Speaker 1: he's fall and away the best picture in this rotation.
Speaker 1: My fangraft swins above replacement. Do we think he's an
Speaker 1: All Star or do we think this era is going
Speaker 1: to be held against him?
Speaker 2: Depends on what people measure off by Warman, he is
Speaker 2: tied for six in the American League. The values there,
Speaker 2: and there's usually more than six starting pitchers that get selected.
Speaker 2: I think if Brian Wu has a pretty good final
Speaker 2: couple starts and he lowers the ERA even just a
Speaker 2: little bit more in a down to somewhere between three
Speaker 2: six and three seven as the voting starts to finish up,
Speaker 2: he'll be there.
Speaker 1: Brian Wu is going to be an All Star because
Speaker 1: he is an All Star caliber pitcher less than he
Speaker 1: has all Star caliber overall stats in the first half.
Speaker 2: Although he's tied for six then war in the American League.
Speaker 1: He is, but dra's pretty high and he's not striking
Speaker 1: out a crazy amount of batters. So if you were
Speaker 1: to just say, look, Brian Wo's allowed way more runners,
Speaker 1: way more runs than he usually does, and he's not
Speaker 1: striking the world out. He's not doing this with a
Speaker 1: thirty percent strikeout rate. Just sort of the baseline production
Speaker 1: stats are not saying, hey, he's an All Star, but
Speaker 1: we also know how good Brian Wu can be. Just
Speaker 1: look at his last start. Amazing.
Speaker 2: He's gonna have roughly what four more starts until the
Speaker 2: All Star break, and it's probably three more until those
Speaker 2: at least the first round of votes tally in. Maybe
Speaker 2: after that fourth one is when the final votes will
Speaker 2: start tallying in. So look, man, if Brian Wu is
Speaker 2: a four start stretch where he's just dominant and gets
Speaker 2: back to being Pete Brian Wu, I think the numbers
Speaker 2: will be there at the end, even if one of
Speaker 2: those starts is a little shaky, and he has three
Speaker 2: of four good starts to end the first half, you're
Speaker 2: probably talking about his Zra sitting a lot closer to
Speaker 2: three five, three six, and that looks more like an
Speaker 2: All Star.
Speaker 1: Can you name the six pitchers who rank in front
Speaker 1: of him in the ale? Oh?
Speaker 2: I was looking at this earlier, so I have down
Speaker 2: in my notes he has tied for sixth in al
Speaker 2: f war by starting pitchers. But if you want me
Speaker 2: to actually try to rank the guys ahead of them, okay, and.
Speaker 1: I'm asking this because the list is is kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was just looking at this earlier. So let's
Speaker 2: see if I can get him right. It is well,
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, so many of the best starters are
Speaker 2: in the National League. I mean miss Yamamoto, Sanchez, Skeens,
Speaker 2: Scooble's been injured, so like he's not up there. Who's
Speaker 2: on here? I mean Hunter Brown's been injured, so he's
Speaker 2: not up there? Is Joe Ryan one of them?
Speaker 1: Yep, he's one of them?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, he's one. Oh, Schlitzler has to be one
Speaker 2: four and away one? Yeah, I mean he's he might
Speaker 2: start the All Star Game.
Speaker 1: He should start the All Star Game. He's been the
Speaker 1: best picture in baseball.
Speaker 2: Better well you think he's been better than Sanchez and miz.
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, best picture in the American League?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Who else is going to be on this list? So
Speaker 2: that's two of them? What else we got? I can
Speaker 2: do this? It's bullpen banner crossed over with the Marine
Speaker 2: Layer pod. As we're sitting here doing this, I can.
Speaker 1: Hear on the pod though we could be as niche
Speaker 1: as we want.
Speaker 2: Sure, there's okay, So there's there's four more because there's three, four, five,
Speaker 2: and then the guy that's tied at six with wu
Speaker 2: give me the give me the divisions.
Speaker 1: I mean you have an Ale West at number two.
Speaker 2: Okay, so there's somebody I'm missing. It's none of the Mariners,
Speaker 2: it's none of the Astros.
Speaker 1: And going into the season, you would say never in
Speaker 1: a million years up here.
Speaker 2: I know. I was just looking at this earlier. It's
Speaker 2: redept Mers. Redebt Mers is number two in the Ale.
Speaker 2: He's been really good. And I guess Jose Sriano's falling
Speaker 2: off a bit because I don't think he's up here.
Speaker 1: No, he's not.
Speaker 2: He was really good to start the year and then
Speaker 2: he's taken a little bit of a spin. Okay, so
Speaker 2: Debt Merse. We got half of these. Who else has
Speaker 2: got a big money pitcher at number three? Mm hmm
Speaker 2: Ale Central No, mm hm. Well it's not the Red Sox,
Speaker 2: it's not the Orioles East. Oh oh, it's one of
Speaker 2: Ceesar godsman, I'll say Dylan ce'es.
Speaker 1: It's Seas.
Speaker 2: So we've got four of them who we still need.
Speaker 1: And number five and number six they have the same
Speaker 1: initial to start their names.
Speaker 2: That's not gonna help. Let's see where else could he?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Is is one of them? A ray? Yep?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: Nick Martinez No, Oh, it's not McClanahan, is it. No,
Speaker 2: Martinez was so good for a while, so it's not him.
Speaker 2: It's not McClanahan. Pepio's hurt. Who oh, oh? Is it Rasmussen.
Speaker 1: It's Drew Rasmussen.
Speaker 2: Okay, what division is this?
Speaker 1: Last guy in central? It starts with a d al Central.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, this is really niche. This guy's been really good.
Speaker 2: It's Davis Martin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of that's a jumbled list of guys
Speaker 1: in front of Brian lou So, okay, all those guys
Speaker 1: will should make the All Star Game.
Speaker 2: So let's do that again, because that was very jumbled
Speaker 2: for people sitting here listening. So it is in some order. Schlitler, Debt, Mers, Joe, Ryan,
Speaker 2: Davis Martin, uh, season Rasmussen, see Rats Muss and Brian wu.
Speaker 2: That's a pretty crazy list.
Speaker 1: What a what a what a pitching staff? You know
Speaker 1: how people were joking last year that the American League's
Speaker 1: starting lineup on the All Star Game people would look
Speaker 1: back on it in twenty years and be like, wow,
Speaker 1: m like, that's that's such a random lineup. If that's
Speaker 1: the assortment of pitchers the ALE is gonna send out
Speaker 1: there this year. I think people are gonna do the
Speaker 1: same thing in twenty twenty six with the pitching staff.
Speaker 2: I bet you Trek Scoogle still gets in off name
Speaker 2: as long as he has a couple more good starts,
Speaker 2: I bet he still gets there.
Speaker 1: I think so. I think they'll select him in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's another point being I think one way
Speaker 2: or another, Wu's gonna end up there unless he really
Speaker 2: falls apart in his last few starts.
Speaker 1: Next one's Logan Gilbert Logan. Gilbert has pretty much, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, the same case as Brian Wu. I think
Speaker 1: the American League will select one or the other a Logan.
Speaker 1: Gilber doesn't have as good expected stats as WU does,
Speaker 1: but he does have a better era and he's thrown
Speaker 1: more innings, will striking out more batters.
Speaker 2: Though, again, if you're just gonna use the value, the
Speaker 2: war numbers aren't there for Gilbert, and by era he's
Speaker 2: been better than WU. But he's outside the top ten
Speaker 2: in the American League, like just outside. He ranks eleventh.
Speaker 2: So what do you value here? I guess if you're
Speaker 2: trying to rank the player based off where their value
Speaker 2: has been and where the results have been versus their peers.
Speaker 2: WU ranks more up the totem pole in some of
Speaker 2: these categories than Logan Gilbert does right now.
Speaker 1: Or it can just ask you while who has been
Speaker 1: the better picture this year, Logan Gilbert or Brian Wu.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's still been Wu, even amidst the
Speaker 2: tough stretch he had.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think Brian has been a better picture, better, more,
Speaker 1: maybe more consistence the wrong word, but he's he's been
Speaker 1: a better picture this year than Logan Gilbert.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, the last case is because I actually think
Speaker 2: Gilbert has the war case. Of these three guys, the
Speaker 2: last case here is the most fascinating, and this could
Speaker 2: be in a lot of ways. This year is Jacob
Speaker 2: Mizerowski case not quite the small enough sample, but it's
Speaker 2: Bryce Miller. I mean, I think Bryce is a real case.
Speaker 1: Well, Bryce Miller's pitching like an All Star. He's gonna
Speaker 1: have to force them to put him on the roster
Speaker 1: one five eight era, a thirty percent strikeout ray in
Speaker 1: a three percent walk rate, Like, come on, He's going
Speaker 1: to have four more starts by the time the All
Speaker 1: Star break rolls around, so he'll be at eleven starts
Speaker 1: and he would probably get added to the roster with
Speaker 1: his tenth after his tenth start, so he's gonna essentially
Speaker 1: get three more starts to put himself on that All
Speaker 1: Star Game roster. I mean, I'll just say this. I mean,
Speaker 1: since he came back, he has been an All Star
Speaker 1: caliber pitcher. He's been one of the best pitchers in
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball since he's been back. That's one. I
Speaker 1: think that's the case that you have to use right there.
Speaker 2: Here's another part of here's another niche number. I won't
Speaker 2: make you do the trivia like we did, but I'll
Speaker 2: just read it out to you. Since Bryce Miller's come back,
Speaker 2: he is fifth in Baseball in Era not the American League,
Speaker 2: in baseball since his first start back off the IL
Speaker 2: this year. The guys who rank ahead of him, when
Speaker 2: Logan Webb is the smallest name of the four, that
Speaker 2: tells you a lot because Logan Web's ahead of them,
Speaker 2: and then it's Jacob Mizerowski, Christopher Sanchez, and Yoshinobu Yamamoto.
Speaker 2: Would you say that's pretty good?
Speaker 1: I would say that's really, really, really good. The thing
Speaker 1: Bryce is not gonna have that Miserowski does. I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like most of the reason Jacob Mizerowski was
Speaker 1: added to last year's All Star Game, it's because he
Speaker 1: throws one hundred and five miles an hour. Bryce does
Speaker 1: not throw one hundred and five miles an hour, So
Speaker 1: unlike miss last year, Bryce is going to need to
Speaker 1: prove with the stats that he deserves to be an
Speaker 1: All Star. But if you were just ask me point blank,
Speaker 1: like TJ, you can pick one Mariner starter to go
Speaker 1: to the All Star Game this year, I'd have a
Speaker 1: really tough time not saying. Bryce Miller agreed. There's there's
Speaker 1: a lot of starts, Like there's a ten start difference
Speaker 1: between him and his other two guys that he's competing
Speaker 1: with for the All Star Game, and lots can happen
Speaker 1: in those starts. But Bryce Miller is dominating more than
Speaker 1: even Brian Wuz dominated this season.
Speaker 2: I would put Bryce Miller in before any of the
Speaker 2: other starters, even with the smaller sample. If Bryce Miller
Speaker 2: has three more good starts, I really hope Major League
Speaker 2: Baseball gets him to the game because he deserves it.
Speaker 2: Even with the smaller sample, he has been that guy.
Speaker 2: He has been the rock in the Mariners rotation since
Speaker 2: coming back off the il. He has been the stopper
Speaker 2: in the rotation. He has been their most dominant arm.
Speaker 2: I'd give it to him.
Speaker 1: What's unfortunate for him is that he is slotted to
Speaker 1: pitch in the last game of the first half.
Speaker 2: You could still, though, have him selected and he goes
Speaker 2: and he gets to soak it all in and he
Speaker 2: gets to be on the field and he gets to
Speaker 2: have the whole experience. Maybe he just wouldn't pitch. Honestly,
Speaker 2: for a Mariner's fan, that's best case scenario. You don't
Speaker 2: have to worry about a pitcher getting injured in the
Speaker 2: All Star Game. Bryce gets to go soak it all
Speaker 2: in and then he's fine to go pitch the second half.
Speaker 1: Fair point. I do feel like those guys really do
Speaker 1: like the opportunity to go all out against an All
Speaker 1: Star lineup and Bryce can just let it rip for
Speaker 1: an inning. I mean, you see ninety eight to one
Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour from him.
Speaker 2: Though, Would that not be his bullpen day if he
Speaker 2: starts Sunday.
Speaker 1: No, his bullpen day would be Wednesday.
Speaker 2: I think, Oh yeah, I guess that's.
Speaker 1: Right, Wednesday or Thursday, and maybe it might even be longer.
Speaker 1: Than that, since we don't know when Bryce is starting
Speaker 1: coming out of the All Star break either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope he gets to go and experience it,
Speaker 2: even if he starts the last game of the first half.
Speaker 2: Some pitchers skip it when that happens to him, the
Speaker 2: guys that have done it a million times and might
Speaker 2: just want to rest. I feel like if Bryce Miller
Speaker 2: gets selected to the All Star Game, his first All
Speaker 2: Star Game, he would go and he would soak it
Speaker 2: all in.
Speaker 1: And it's closer for him to go to Philly than
Speaker 1: it would be to fly back to Seattle because the
Speaker 1: Mariners will be in Tampa Bay the weekend before, right,
Speaker 1: it'd be it wouldn't It wouldn't be at It wouldn't
Speaker 1: be like the Bryce was. The Mariners were playing their
Speaker 1: last series of the first half in Sacramento and Bryce
Speaker 1: had the choice of flying back to Seattle for four
Speaker 1: days or he had a fly all the way across
Speaker 1: the country to Philadelphia. This one's not quite as inconvenient
Speaker 1: now if Bryce does make it, though, But what were
Speaker 1: you gonna say? You might take the words out of
Speaker 1: my mouth, but go for it. I was get The
Speaker 1: coolest thing about this is that Bryce would become if
Speaker 1: he was selected the fourth different Mariners homegrown starting pitcher
Speaker 1: to make an All Star Game in the last four years,
Speaker 1: and of the guys in this rotation, it will be
Speaker 1: the fifth guy in five years, because Luis Castillo made
Speaker 1: it in twenty twenty two, Kirby made it in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, Gilbert made it in twenty twenty four, Brian
Speaker 1: Wu made it in twenty twenty five, and hopefully Bryce
Speaker 1: Miller could make it here in twenty twenty six. I
Speaker 1: know we were really pining hard for our guy a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago. I don't know if he has the
Speaker 1: stats now to make the All Star Game.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Yeah, you did take the words right out of
Speaker 2: my mouth. I was also gonna say that if Bryce
Speaker 2: makes it, every single guy in the Mariner's rotation will
Speaker 2: have made an All Star Game as a Mariner because
Speaker 2: Castillo made it in twenty twenty three. That would be
Speaker 2: pretty remarkable. You have all five guys make an All
Speaker 2: Star Game as a Mariner be pretty good.
Speaker 1: I just know there's no other rotation in baseball that
Speaker 1: can say that what the Mariners have done in pitching
Speaker 1: development is something that should be lauded across Major League Baseball.
Speaker 1: It is. It's great and they've really knocked it out
Speaker 1: of the park.
Speaker 2: And Kate Anderson and Ryan Sloan probably have a pretty
Speaker 2: good chance in their own right to make some All
Speaker 2: Star Games in their career.
Speaker 1: They have two guys that have are projected higher than
Speaker 1: any of the current five guys in the rotation. They
Speaker 1: have all made All Star games. M hm, that's great to.
Speaker 2: Be talking about seven different starters making the All Star Game.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, An, what an accomplishment. I know there's flaws elsewhere,
Speaker 1: and we have highlighted a lot of those flaws, but man,
Speaker 1: the development of pictures is crazy. That's why they're taking
Speaker 1: a picture in the first round this year, because they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: do I want to risk a high schooler busting like
Speaker 1: a high school hitter busting, or do I want Oh,
Speaker 1: I'll just draft a college pitcher in the first round
Speaker 1: will be an All Star in twenty thirty one.
Speaker 2: There you go. You know what, let our guy Logan
Speaker 2: Evans eventually make an All Star Game too, and that'll
Speaker 2: be eight different guys.
Speaker 1: That would be so cool.
Speaker 2: That amazable. He's coming back with a vengeance. I just
Speaker 2: want people to know that come next year.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna I think he's gonna blow some
Speaker 1: people away when he comes back.
Speaker 2: I do too, But I think that covers all the
Speaker 2: Mariners All Stars. I think that covers all the guys
Speaker 2: that have a true case. So you guys make sure
Speaker 2: to tell us in the comments of these guys, who
Speaker 2: would you vote for? Who would be your number one
Speaker 2: priority to make the All Star Game on this team.
Speaker 2: I'm sure the answers will vary, and we're interested to
Speaker 2: see him.
Speaker 1: The only other picture we did make was Kirby. Kirby
Speaker 1: again has a very similar case to Logan Gilbert and
Speaker 1: Brian Wu, but he also has an ERA over four,
Speaker 1: so's he's probably third among those three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't see that one happening. And you
Speaker 2: know what, the two lefty relievers probably have a case
Speaker 2: in their own right too, and Jose fererin Gabe Spier,
Speaker 2: but non closers just so rarely make All Star Games
Speaker 2: that unfortunately, it's gonna be pretty tough.
Speaker 1: The only one who is on pace out of the
Speaker 1: bullpen besides those two to make an All Star Game
Speaker 1: was Brash, but Brash shirt right because Matt had a
Speaker 1: mats eras I think still like a half Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you have a half er and you have a thirty
Speaker 1: percent or higher strikeout rate of and you're not a closer,
Speaker 1: then I feel like you have a chance. But we
Speaker 1: barely got to see that for Matt.
Speaker 2: It's just gotten tougher and tougher for non closers to
Speaker 2: make it, so I think it'll be hard. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: good stuff. I think that just about wraps up this
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