WEBVTT - Episode 420: Which Mariners Deserve To Make The All-Star Game?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to episode number four to twenty of the Marine

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<v Speaker 1>Layer Podcasts. The Mariners take the first game in Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about what we saw from the first game

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<v Speaker 1>of that series. We'll also make a case for the

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<v Speaker 1>Mariners All Stars with the game coming up next month.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get it rolling and we welcome you to this

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<v Speaker 1>episode of the Marine Layer podcast, part of the Just

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<v Speaker 1>Baseball podcast network, Recording here on Tuesday evening, June twenty third.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought here after the Mariners won the first game

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<v Speaker 1>against the Pittsburgh Pirates on Tuesday night, that swing from

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<v Speaker 1>Cole Young was one of the coolest things I've seen.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't get to draw up how your first game

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<v Speaker 1>playing in your home city can go pretty much any

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<v Speaker 1>better than hitting a go ahead, two run home run

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<v Speaker 1>against the team you grew up rooting for. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think Gorvin Carroll did that when he came back here,

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<v Speaker 1>if I remember right. I don't think Gosh, pick a Mariner.

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<v Speaker 1>I like JP Crawford hit a go ahead to run

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<v Speaker 1>home run against the Dodgers or the Angels when he

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<v Speaker 1>went back for the first time. No, I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>So to have that happen for Cole Young, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that was amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure Naylor did it against the Blue Jays.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure Cal did it against the Red Sox. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't really happen all that much. To see that

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<v Speaker 2>go down, and to see Aaron Goldsmith basically segue into

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<v Speaker 2>it like he was calling, like he was calling it

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<v Speaker 2>and he could see it coming, and then for Cole

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<v Speaker 2>Young to actually go and do it. You dream of

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like Batman. Don't you think the two of us

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<v Speaker 2>would dream of hitting a home run in T Mobile Park,

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<v Speaker 2>Not that would ever happen, but that's what every person

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<v Speaker 2>dreams about when you grow up playing baseball. Cole Young

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<v Speaker 2>got to actually live it through and to do it

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<v Speaker 2>against the team he grew up against, to help the

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<v Speaker 2>Mariners get a win. That was pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing that would have made that better is

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<v Speaker 1>if Kutch was still there. Oh yeah, but Andrew mccutch it,

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<v Speaker 1>where is he?

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<v Speaker 2>Thes Dannies, Well, he was, he was with the Rangers

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<v Speaker 2>and then they defade him. I would say if he

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<v Speaker 2>hit it over Cutch his head, If Cole Young went

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<v Speaker 2>straight to dead center and hit it over mccutcheen's head

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<v Speaker 2>into the Pirates hedging out in center field, maybe that's

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<v Speaker 2>the only way it gets better. But to do what

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<v Speaker 2>he did was pretty nuts. So much poetry from the.

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<v Speaker 1>Two young guys of this season. You have Colt hitting

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<v Speaker 1>a home run over Jared Kelnick's head for his first

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<v Speaker 1>career hit, first career home run, and you have Cole

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<v Speaker 1>Young homering back in Pittsburgh. That's pretty cool and objectively

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<v Speaker 1>in a huge moment of the game, knocking Mitch Keller out.

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<v Speaker 1>Did what he needed to do. And it's not been

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<v Speaker 1>since the first month of the season not been the

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<v Speaker 1>smoothest sailing for Cole He's come back to earth offensively.

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<v Speaker 1>He's sitting right about league average offensively, so for him

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<v Speaker 1>to come up with a home run in that spot

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<v Speaker 1>was that's pretty big. It's an overwhelmingly positive note for

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<v Speaker 1>the first game in Pittsburgh after an objectively negative home

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<v Speaker 1>series against the Boston Red Sox. It made us forget

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<v Speaker 1>about all these other things we were talking about loud like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, piggybacks.

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<v Speaker 2>Did it make us forget or did it just let

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<v Speaker 2>us have a moment of bliss on Tuesday night?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say moment of bliss.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's right. Ah, one up at two. The

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<v Speaker 2>only way it would have been made better for Cole

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<v Speaker 2>Young is if he hit it all the way into

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<v Speaker 2>the Allegheny because that ball went pretty far up the

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<v Speaker 2>right field deck. If he had just gotten a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more of it and it actually cleared the bleachers,

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<v Speaker 2>that would have been nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>Him getting interviewed postgame cracked me up. It was as

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<v Speaker 1>on brand Cole Young as humanly possible. Brad Adam goes so, Cole,

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<v Speaker 1>now that you got all your family hear and you

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<v Speaker 1>hit this huge home run, what are you gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>to celebrate, and Cole says, uh, I don't know, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we'll just talk on the field after the game.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, and.

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<v Speaker 2>What's that is?

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<v Speaker 1>That?

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't Cole Young trying to deflect an answer and be boring.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's literally just the first thing that came

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<v Speaker 2>to his head and was what came out of his mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, Brad, we're gonna go.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna go out.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna get like, we're gonna go grab a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of drinks and enjoy the moment. No, we're gonna stand

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<v Speaker 1>on the field and talk to each other. Cole cracks

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<v Speaker 1>me out. He's he's so hilariously on brand as a

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<v Speaker 1>human being. He's I don't think he's gonna change. I

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<v Speaker 1>really think that's just gonna be as personality his entire time.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to see what like thirty five year

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<v Speaker 1>old dude, bro Cole Young is talking like.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot wait. I mean, do you remember when the

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<v Speaker 2>Mariners did the whole video of when he got called

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<v Speaker 2>up to the big leagues and John Russell, the Triple

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<v Speaker 2>A manager, pulls him to his side in the dugout

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<v Speaker 2>and tells him the news that he's going up to

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<v Speaker 2>Seattle and all his teammates start hugging him and start

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<v Speaker 2>congratulating him, and Cole doesn't have any words. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>hard to have words in that moment because you wait

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<v Speaker 2>your whole life for that moment. But I think the

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<v Speaker 2>first thing that comes out of Cole Young's mouth was,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I'll go get my stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Again.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, he's not purposely trying to be funny, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's very funny.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. He's he's the only Actually that's not true.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe is he the only one with this type of

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<v Speaker 1>personality on the roster? Maybe exactly that personality.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think he is.

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<v Speaker 1>He certainly is unique and he gives off like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>him and JP Crawford are like similar, like general vibe,

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<v Speaker 1>but each you're like different in the way they go

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<v Speaker 1>about doing it doing it. I don't think JP is

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<v Speaker 1>like a dude bro kind of guy, no, but Cole Young,

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<v Speaker 1>Cole Young definitely is.

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<v Speaker 2>Cole Young is the most Southern California dude ever to

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<v Speaker 2>come from Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent. So we're happy for Cole, happy that

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<v Speaker 1>he did that. The Mirrors didn't play a fantastic game

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<v Speaker 1>on Tuesday, Victor roebliss Well nearly gave me an aneurysm

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<v Speaker 1>in what was it, the seventh inning? He almost drove me,

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<v Speaker 1>like insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh dude, Goldie kind of let him have it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was like on brand for the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six mirrors. Like, how however you can like draw up

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<v Speaker 1>terrible base running Victor roeblist did? I mean? And Angie

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<v Speaker 1>was like, look, not only do you are you like

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<v Speaker 1>misreading this ball in the outfield and you're you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get back picked if they do end up catching it,

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<v Speaker 1>but then you don't score, and then you overrun third

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<v Speaker 1>base and then you don't slide any Like, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have been shocked if be Tor up his knee doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the same lunch that both Dom can Zone

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<v Speaker 1>and and Randy Rosarina got hurt at first base, except

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<v Speaker 1>this one was at third.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought Vic was hurt for a second because he

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<v Speaker 2>kind of bend down and it looked like he was

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<v Speaker 2>favoring one of his legs, and I was like, uh, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>seems like he's all right. But yeah, that was that

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<v Speaker 2>was not great. And again like yeah, Goldie and he

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<v Speaker 2>kind of said like, basically, you know, he gotta be

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<v Speaker 2>more heads up.

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<v Speaker 1>Than that, and Victor's supposed to be one of their

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<v Speaker 1>good base runners.

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<v Speaker 2>So Mariners just so twenty twenty six Mariners with the

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<v Speaker 2>base running mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Kirby was fine, Like everything else about the game was fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Cal finally homeward for the first time in two months,

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<v Speaker 1>which is wonderful to see. We're happy that he's back

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<v Speaker 1>on the board in the in the home run department,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's any team from this game that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be like, yeah, I can for sure tell

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<v Speaker 1>you the Mariners are going to win both of these

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<v Speaker 1>next two games, But there is something else that will

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<v Speaker 1>tell me that, Lyle. Because the Mariners lost the last series,

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<v Speaker 1>that means they have to win this series, so they

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<v Speaker 1>can lose the series in Cleveland, and they got off

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<v Speaker 1>to a good start in that department.

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<v Speaker 2>They will win one of the next two in Pittsburgh

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<v Speaker 2>and then they'll probably lose two of three in Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 2>If they want to stay on brand, they'll do exactly that.

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<v Speaker 1>They've been pretty much on brand for this game, so

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<v Speaker 1>that that would check out. I think the only other

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<v Speaker 1>real bit of news before we go and make some

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<v Speaker 1>All Star game cases for these guys. Is we have

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<v Speaker 1>our next piggyback date and it will be Logan Gilbert

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<v Speaker 1>and Emerson Hancock coming up this Saturday in Cleveland. Hmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>So there. So when I was trying to project it

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<v Speaker 1>when they initially decided on it, I think I had

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<v Speaker 1>I had Woin Kirby today and Dead. They essentially flipped them.

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<v Speaker 1>So the projections were right about what what turn in

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<v Speaker 1>the rotation they were going to do it, but for

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<v Speaker 1>this one they said they were going to do Logan

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<v Speaker 1>Gilbert first and then they're gonna do Kirbean wu uh

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<v Speaker 1>for our during our next watch party at Occidental Hall, which,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, if you came out to the one

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<v Speaker 1>this Sunday at queen An Beer Hall, thank you. Hope

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<v Speaker 1>you enjoy your free stein. It was fabulous. We had

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<v Speaker 1>some giveaways, we watched the Mariners ate some great food,

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<v Speaker 1>drink some great Corona beer. It was fantastic. Our next

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<v Speaker 1>one will be for that two o'clock Blue Jays game

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday, July fifth, So if you want to mark

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<v Speaker 1>that in your calendar, you missed this last one because

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<v Speaker 1>you're out doing Father's Day activities, and you want to

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<v Speaker 1>come to this next one July fifth, like one five

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<v Speaker 1>will be there and then we'll be taping after at

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<v Speaker 1>Occidental Hall, so at Oxtenal Hall outside the ballpark.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so come watch the game with us, or if

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<v Speaker 2>you're at the game, then after the game, come on,

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<v Speaker 2>come on over and we'll be taping live. So feel

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<v Speaker 2>free to come hang out while we tape the pod. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>in regard to this piggyback tage with Logan Gilbert in

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<v Speaker 2>the news this week, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Might have to remind me he won American League Player

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<v Speaker 1>of the Week.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh oh, and he's piggybacking. Oh that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>The Mariners have managed to intent I mean intentionally being

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<v Speaker 1>the they're the ones deciding on this piggyback, but also

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<v Speaker 1>almost unintentionally lining up. So the first two iterations of

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<v Speaker 1>the piggyback just so happened to feature in the first

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<v Speaker 1>iteration their best current picture pitcher and the second one

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<v Speaker 1>of reigning American League Player of the Week.

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<v Speaker 2>So, by the way, we didn't talk about it on

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<v Speaker 2>Monday's pod, and honestly it's because I don't think I

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<v Speaker 2>had seen a lot of the Friday postgame quotes until

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<v Speaker 2>early in this week. But dude, Bryce Miller rightfully did

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<v Speaker 2>not sound happy again on Friday after he was pulled out.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he he did not. We were told everyone was

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<v Speaker 1>on board with this plan. We weren't told they were

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<v Speaker 1>happy about this plan.

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<v Speaker 2>No, there's a difference. Accepting and excited are two very

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<v Speaker 2>different things. And when Bryce Miller in the moment gets

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<v Speaker 2>yanked at sixty six pitches, when he's essentially spinning a

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<v Speaker 2>gem because he's at five innings of one run ball,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he's like, yeah, you're done, and Luise comes

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<v Speaker 2>in and gives up four runs, it's kind of tough

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<v Speaker 2>to swallow. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe there's a thought in the back of Bryce's head

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<v Speaker 1>that it could happen like the first time they did

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<v Speaker 1>the piggyback, where if he's really dealing so much, they'll

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<v Speaker 1>just leave him out there. Perhaps he was just grasping

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<v Speaker 1>onto that. Perhaps he was or perhaps what he was

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<v Speaker 1>accepting of the idea until he was in the moment

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<v Speaker 1>and he was like, why am I coming out of

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<v Speaker 1>this game? This doesn't make any sense right, And he

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<v Speaker 1>ended up getting pulled. But Bryce did, on all accounts,

0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.760
<v Speaker 1>agreed to do this plan. He said, it's a preset plan,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can't argue against it very much. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>where we're at with the Mariners piggyback. And while it

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<v Speaker 1>is true, like what we said, where of all the scenarios,

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<v Speaker 1>this one does work best because the guys only lose

0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.760
<v Speaker 1>two to three innings through the turns of this rotation.

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<v Speaker 1>When these piggybacks are happening during these three weeks, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not making the Mariners look very good.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh dude, the optics look brutal. Oh yeah, again, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a lot of hurdle jumping to keep a guy

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<v Speaker 2>happy with a five twenty two era. I know Luis

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<v Speaker 2>Castillo has been a little bit better since May first,

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<v Speaker 2>because since May first and on, as era sits at

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<v Speaker 2>about four point five, that's not much to write home about, man,

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<v Speaker 2>And you've got other guys that are very, very clearly

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<v Speaker 2>better options.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't even to say like the two starts completely

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<v Speaker 1>changed how we're thinking about Logan Gilbert's twenty twenty six season,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you remember, there was a mailbag question a

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<v Speaker 1>couple episodes ago where we're asking who would make the

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<v Speaker 1>most sense to piggyback with Luis Castile before they had

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<v Speaker 1>announced their plan. I threwout Logan Gilbert as an option

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<v Speaker 1>because to that point he had been struggling third time through.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the next couple starts after that, or were the

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<v Speaker 1>two starts he had, and he absolutely dominated. Two starts

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<v Speaker 1>don't make a season, though, I'm interested to see how

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<v Speaker 1>different pitchers will handle this scenario in Logan Gilbert and

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<v Speaker 1>Emson Hancock, especially who throws first. That's gonna be fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>It's says Emerson, because Emerson Hancock it's his turn in

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<v Speaker 1>the rotation first before Logan. But Logan's the more established guys.

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<v Speaker 1>So who are they going to give the ball to?

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<v Speaker 2>They already said Logan's gonna start.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh they did, Okay, Well there you go. That answers

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<v Speaker 1>that question.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, Logan's last six starts, he's got a one forty

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<v Speaker 2>nine ERA, So I know there was a question about

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<v Speaker 2>who should piggyback, but objectively, since about the middle of May,

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<v Speaker 2>Man Logan's been pretty damn good and.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, really look, I never said they should piggyback him.

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<v Speaker 1>I just said he was an option.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, dude, if you want to put your best

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<v Speaker 2>starters on the field and they may not do this

0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:16.040
<v Speaker 2>because they may want to manage Kay's innings. But eventually,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean right now, eventually, I mean what if

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<v Speaker 2>if Emerson Hancock starts to get toward his innings limit,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think he's gonna be on one two, post

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<v Speaker 2>All Star break, post trade deadline, et cetera. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>is there a world that it's Luise and Emerson Hancock

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<v Speaker 2>that go to the bullpen? You start like Kate, You

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<v Speaker 2>start letting Kate Anderson start games, and who knows, maybe

0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Kaid's got a chance to start postseason games if he

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<v Speaker 2>that pitches that well.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmm. I think that's less likely than the Mariners putting

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<v Speaker 1>Kate in the bullpen and putting Louise in the rotation,

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<v Speaker 1>which is wrong if you're trying to put your best

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<v Speaker 1>pitchers out there. But I have a feeling that's more

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<v Speaker 1>likely what they would do.

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<v Speaker 2>Why they're so insistent on Louise specifically, I just I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really know to.

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<v Speaker 1>Make much sense. Besides the money, it doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if there again, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to keep them stretched out because they're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to keep his trade value up in case something comes

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<v Speaker 2>up at the deadline, even though I don't know who's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna take on that contract and give you something serviceable

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<v Speaker 2>back in return. Which is why I keeps saying he'd

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<v Speaker 2>be best utilized as a bullpen arm, because by the way,

0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:26.240
<v Speaker 2>Luis was throwing ninety nine on Friday. Now, it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>like the good results didn't last. He only had that

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<v Speaker 2>one really good inning, but he was throwing hard in

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<v Speaker 2>a short spurt, which is why I think to myself, well,

0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.000
<v Speaker 2>why couldn't he become a bullpen arm? And then if

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<v Speaker 2>somebody gets hurt in the rotation, Caid's right there. You

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<v Speaker 2>would need two starters to get hurt to essentially need

0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Louise Castillo to get back into the rotation if you

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<v Speaker 2>were to move him to the bullpen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I still feel like there's a more likely

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<v Speaker 1>chance that Louise stays in the rotation than Caid goes

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<v Speaker 1>into the rotation. They just they haven't They haven't given

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<v Speaker 1>us any proof that it would be the other way around,

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<v Speaker 1>because the logical baseball winning play for this rotation is

0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.240
<v Speaker 1>putting Luise in the bullpen. You have your starter depth

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<v Speaker 1>in Kate Anderson, and you let your current five guys

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<v Speaker 1>who are all pitching well at points continue to throw

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<v Speaker 1>or they haven't done that, So would they change that

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<v Speaker 1>up to put the least proven starter albeit dominating the

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<v Speaker 1>minor leagues, straight into the rotation and putting Luis Castillo

0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.000
<v Speaker 1>in the bullpen when they won't even do it for

0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:36.280
<v Speaker 1>established major league starters like that. That's what I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 1>here like sort of puzzled about.

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<v Speaker 2>The biggest question again being why do they continue to

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<v Speaker 2>insist on this? And I can't know, and nobody knows.

0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:48.040
<v Speaker 2>The Mariners haven't given a good answer on this. They've

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<v Speaker 2>been pretty tight lipped about why they are so insistent

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<v Speaker 2>on this, other than oh, we just like all our pitchers.

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<v Speaker 1>They want to keep them stretched out. But why do

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<v Speaker 1>they want to keep them stretched out right?

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<v Speaker 2>Which is what makes me think that this is some

0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.800
<v Speaker 2>long term play to try to keep his trade value

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<v Speaker 2>up at the deadline. That's what I think is a

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<v Speaker 2>real possibility. Otherwise I don't have a good other possible

0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:19.280
<v Speaker 2>reasoning other than there's something in his contract that's not

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<v Speaker 2>public that we don't know about that's somehow like forcing

0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.320
<v Speaker 2>the Mariner's hand to keep letting him start games.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you and I think the same way on this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how it could be trading him at

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<v Speaker 1>the deadline. I don't think he's tradable.

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<v Speaker 2>So then what the hell is going on? Is it

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<v Speaker 2>to so then it do go to my second option.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's no way to know this for sure because

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<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't be public. But is there something in his

0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.800
<v Speaker 2>contract that's not public that's essentially forcing them to keep

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<v Speaker 2>letting him pitch?

0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:55.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe it's possible if.

0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:59.000
<v Speaker 2>The Mariners missed the playoffs by a slim number of games,

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<v Speaker 2>this piggyback's going to come roaring back in a wild way.

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<v Speaker 2>In terms of a conversation at the end of September.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I was thinking, as we were getting ready

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<v Speaker 1>to record, there is one iteration of this they have

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<v Speaker 1>yet to try that might be better than what they

0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.840
<v Speaker 1>are currently doing right now. We have not seen a

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<v Speaker 1>strictly Emerson Hancock Luis Castill piggyback because Emerson has struggled

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<v Speaker 1>a bit in his last few starts. We mentioned him

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<v Speaker 1>as an option to piggyback due to his innings limits

0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.640
<v Speaker 1>and his struggles third time through the order. And I'd

0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.280
<v Speaker 1>imagine as he pitches deeper into the season, we might

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<v Speaker 1>see a bit of a velocity dip from him, just

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<v Speaker 1>given the fact he's going into territory he hasn't been

0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.800
<v Speaker 1>in a while slash. Ever, the All Star Break comes

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<v Speaker 1>up after they're done with this current piggyback experiment, They'll

0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.760
<v Speaker 1>have four days off and then, as most teams do,

0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.960
<v Speaker 1>they reshuffle a rotation. Was it last year or the

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<v Speaker 1>year before the Mariners went with a four man rotation

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<v Speaker 1>out of the All Star Break because they could because

0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.479
<v Speaker 1>the off day allowed them to do a four man rotation,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe it was beginning of this year. Regardless, teams

0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:06.639
<v Speaker 1>have the ability if the off days line up, to

0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.119
<v Speaker 1>do that kind of thing. What this would allow the

0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Mariners to do out of the All Star Break is

0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.760
<v Speaker 1>they could line up their four best starters, which are

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<v Speaker 1>Logan Gilbert, George Kirby, Brian Woon, Bryce Miller pretty clearly

0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:21.720
<v Speaker 1>right now those four guys, and then you piggyback Emerson

0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:25.879
<v Speaker 1>Hancock and Luis Castillo as the fifth starter there. I

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<v Speaker 1>do feel like, given where the Mariners are at right now,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be the least least controversial to the fans.

0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:36.200
<v Speaker 2>And maybe after the All Star Break they do.

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<v Speaker 1>That because after the All Star break, like, they can't

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<v Speaker 1>go back to the other old options, which they told

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<v Speaker 1>us they didn't like. I mean, Bryce Miller's told everyone

0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.360
<v Speaker 1>publicly that he didn't like the first version where he's

0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.080
<v Speaker 1>stuck you with the piggyback. The Mariners told us they

0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't like the six man rotation, and now you've already

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<v Speaker 1>had Bryce Miller come out against this version of this

0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:01.320
<v Speaker 1>version of it. And that's not including what all the

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<v Speaker 1>other guys think about it as well, knowing they only

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<v Speaker 1>had to give up three innings to do this. If

0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:10.160
<v Speaker 1>the front office comes to them and says, hey, we're

0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna actually need you to give up more innings, then

0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:14.520
<v Speaker 1>guys might start having an issue with this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say Bryce milleranen't quite come out against this iteration

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<v Speaker 2>of it, but he certainly didn't sound like he was

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<v Speaker 2>publicly endorsing it either.

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<v Speaker 1>The tone was not positive.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if you read the tea leaves you can

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<v Speaker 2>make out a conclusion. Bryce did not directly say it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the way he did last time, but you

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<v Speaker 2>can read the tea leaves, and again, Bryce's totally right

0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:37.960
<v Speaker 2>for feeling that way. I would be pissed if I

0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.800
<v Speaker 2>had thrown five innings at sixty six pitches of one

0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:42.720
<v Speaker 2>run ball and was pulled out of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>If anyone's got another suggestion on what else they could

0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:48.120
<v Speaker 1>do besides all the other options we list off, please

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<v Speaker 1>go leave us a comment. Besides moving Louis Castillo to

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<v Speaker 1>the bullpen, which we've literally just been talking about for

0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:57.640
<v Speaker 1>a month now about them doing and they've still yet

0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:00.080
<v Speaker 1>to do it, I don't know what, like, literally what

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<v Speaker 1>else they do after the All Star break besides pair

0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:08.600
<v Speaker 1>up Emerson, Hancock and and Luis Castile. Emerson unfortunately also

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have as much cachet at the big league level

0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:14.760
<v Speaker 1>as those other guys do, so like if he pushes

0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:17.520
<v Speaker 1>back against it, he just has less ground to stand

0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:21.840
<v Speaker 1>on than multi year established starters. Loging over George Kirby,

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<v Speaker 1>Bryan lu and Bryce Miller.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, I agreed.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where we're at with the piggyback our daily piggybackup date.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we do have some All Star Game cases to

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<v Speaker 1>be to make. The Mariners do have quite a few options.

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<v Speaker 1>Star Game is what four weeks? Three and a half

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<v Speaker 1>weeks away, Low and I will be there, will be

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<v Speaker 1>in Philadelphia. If any of you are going dm us,

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<v Speaker 1>come say hi, especially if you're from the East Coast

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<v Speaker 1>always use some pointers, always could use some suggestions. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>be there. What Mariners are going to join us there? Lyle.

0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:06.520
<v Speaker 1>We have a bunch of options from this current roster

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<v Speaker 1>that we're going to go through and evaluate their canadacy

0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:12.080
<v Speaker 1>to the twenty twenty six All Star Game. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to start off with an obvious one. If Randy rose

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<v Speaker 1>Aren is not an All Star, the process is broken.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, well the process is broken because if you've seen

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<v Speaker 2>the voting results, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>All Blue six. I mean, he's still in the field

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen. I hope this doesn't sound like an old man

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<v Speaker 2>yelling at a cloud. I think we might have to

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<v Speaker 2>do away with fan voting here pretty soon, at least

0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:39.800
<v Speaker 2>fan voting having this much determination on who's starting, because

0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:42.880
<v Speaker 2>there cannot be this many Blue Jays starting the All

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<v Speaker 2>Star Game. It's just these are not the best players.

0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:48.639
<v Speaker 2>This is all of Canada. Credit to them getting to

0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:51.639
<v Speaker 2>the ballots and voting for their guys, but these aren't

0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:54.600
<v Speaker 2>the best players you Cary.

0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:56.280
<v Speaker 1>Rose aren is sixth right now. I think Dalton var

0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Show is the one right behind him.

0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:00.600
<v Speaker 2>They're everywhere. I mean, Kirk's the catcher, and Latti's at

0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:02.879
<v Speaker 2>first base, over Ben Rice and over a bunch of

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:05.760
<v Speaker 2>other guys, and like Jamdez is up high in the polls.

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<v Speaker 2>It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, maybe we could do fans fifty percent. You know,

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:14.679
<v Speaker 1>it would be wild. We did fans fifty percent and

0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:15.920
<v Speaker 1>players fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>Percent, it would be kind of interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Because if you think all respect to the players, if

0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:26.679
<v Speaker 1>you if you think the fan voting is bad, the

0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:31.480
<v Speaker 1>player voting is as random as it gets, like the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL Top one hundred lists.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so maybe it should be a third fans,

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:40.320
<v Speaker 2>a third player is and a third media or front office.

0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Maybe, or they can just do it how they do

0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:45.879
<v Speaker 1>it with the pitchers, right, make it all the same.

0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:48.320
<v Speaker 2>That's more what I would vote for, because there's usually

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:51.160
<v Speaker 2>a much more sound process to that. But yes, Randy

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Rose Arena should be an All Star, and I think

0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:53.760
<v Speaker 2>he will be an All Star.

0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Right now, he's on pace to be a set of

0:25:56.680 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 1>career ion war among American League All American League players,

0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:05.360
<v Speaker 1>he's ninth in WRC plus he's fourth, and steals he's thirteenth,

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:09.120
<v Speaker 1>and f WAR among outfielder he's outfielders he's third, he's

0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:11.679
<v Speaker 1>first in steels, and he's fourth in WAR. That's like

0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:14.400
<v Speaker 1>as slam dunk of a case as you could get

0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:17.520
<v Speaker 1>for an All Star as you can literally. Yeah, that's it.

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:20.119
<v Speaker 1>There's I don't know what discussion we can have with

0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Randy Roserenn. If he's not an All Star, then they

0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:26.000
<v Speaker 1>need to redo this process. He's been the Mariner's best

0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:28.919
<v Speaker 1>player this season and he deserves to be there, legit.

0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 1>While he just honestly deserves to start, he did on

0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:35.640
<v Speaker 1>he's right on the edge of getting one of those

0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:38.399
<v Speaker 1>three starting outfield spots for the American League. That's how

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 1>good he's been.

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:43.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Judge is gonna get one? Well, no, he's hurt.

0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:46.159
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, Is he healthy? He is gonna be healthys not

0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:46.800
<v Speaker 1>healthy either?

0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Probably not so. Yeah, I guess that cuts down the

0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:52.560
<v Speaker 2>field a little bit. Buxton will probably get one.

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Buxton makes it in the next three weeks healthy, then

0:26:55.960 --> 0:26:56.600
<v Speaker 1>he'll get one.

0:26:56.920 --> 0:27:01.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I forgetting any obvious ones. I mean Yourdan will

0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 2>probably DH right, he's not gonna play the outfield.

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:06.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. Let's let's see.

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:08.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I'm I don't think I'm forgetting any

0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:09.639
<v Speaker 2>crazy obvious ones.

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think so. Like, Buxton has been the

0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:16.960
<v Speaker 1>best outfielder in the American League by War this year.

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:20.399
<v Speaker 1>Trout is then the next close. Oh, Cody Bellinger is

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:22.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna have a pretty solid case. He's been really good

0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:22.800
<v Speaker 1>this year.

0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 2>M hm.

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:26.280
<v Speaker 1>He's been a little more valuable than Randy. But the

0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:28.720
<v Speaker 1>the only three outfielders that have been more valuable than

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Randy Rose arena on fangrafts are Trout, Bellinger, and Byron Buxton.

0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:37.719
<v Speaker 1>Then the guys after him that'll be competing. I mean

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 1>you'll have Saddan Rafaela. Also, this is totally random lyle

0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:44.760
<v Speaker 1>has nothing to do with this conversation. Brian Rochio has

0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:47.160
<v Speaker 1>the same war as Randy Rose Reina this year.

0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:50.119
<v Speaker 2>How about that? Yeah, one guy does it all with

0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 2>his bat and one does it all with his glove.

0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 1>Pretty much after that, I mean it's Riley Green, Aaron Judge,

0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Ezekiel Duran, But I mean Randy should be a overall

0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:02.480
<v Speaker 1>these guys start.

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:04.080
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna get in. We'll see if he starts, and

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 2>he'll he'll have a case too, But he's gonna get in.

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:10.040
<v Speaker 1>I have another interesting case for you for the Mariners.

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:12.640
<v Speaker 1>How about Dom Canzone.

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:15.879
<v Speaker 2>I mean, just by the numbers, he's certainly got a

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:19.960
<v Speaker 2>real case. It's just how much they value a platoon

0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:22.560
<v Speaker 2>bat versus the rest of the field versus all those

0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 2>other guys you just mentioned, right, because he's gonna go

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:29.240
<v Speaker 2>up against like Judge and Trout will be hurt, but Buckston, Rafaela,

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:32.399
<v Speaker 2>who obviously does so much with the glove, Riley Green,

0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:36.919
<v Speaker 2>you'll have Randy in there. Like Dom's not gonna accrue

0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 2>the war to be up in the ranks of the

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:43.040
<v Speaker 2>All Stars because he just doesn't play enough defense. He

0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:48.280
<v Speaker 2>doesn't play every day. But if you're if you're factoring

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 2>in just the offensive production of alongside platoon hitter in

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:55.840
<v Speaker 2>which Canzone is, then yeah, he's got a case. His

0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 2>ops is way over nine hundred.

0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 1>He would be a bench bet if he'd did make it.

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 1>But major league Baseball would have to. It wouldn't be unprecedented,

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 1>but it would be. They would make almost an exception

0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:14.720
<v Speaker 1>for Dom Canzone. He has the fewest amount of plate

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:18.920
<v Speaker 1>appearances of anyone in the top thirty of WORC plus

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:21.560
<v Speaker 1>rankings in the American League this year. They would have

0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:24.040
<v Speaker 1>to stretch a little bit to get him in. But

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 1>if we're just talking production on the field, he's only

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>had two hundred and one plate appearances and has been

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:31.720
<v Speaker 1>worth a war the one and a half war, like

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 1>the pace of that as an All Star player.

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Sure, the comparison you could use here is honestly our

0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 2>favorite platoon hitter of this podcast. Carry Carpenter's never made

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:45.719
<v Speaker 2>an All Star game. Carry Carpenter's had some ridiculous seasons

0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 2>at the plate. I mean two years ago Carpenter had

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:50.960
<v Speaker 2>a nine to thirty two OPS for the year. Wasn't

0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:51.480
<v Speaker 2>an All Star?

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:54.719
<v Speaker 1>What about that Jacques Pearson season?

0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 2>Huh?

0:29:56.120 --> 0:30:00.080
<v Speaker 1>What about that Jack Peterson season? Which one he he

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.720
<v Speaker 1>had a season with I think it was the Yeah,

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 1>it was with the Diamondbacks, So he had one hundred

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:10.320
<v Speaker 1>and thirty two games played. He had a nine to

0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 1>oh eight OPS for the whole season. As a dh

0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 1>platoon head or net didn't make the All Star Game.

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 2>It is tough for platoon bats. It just as hmm,

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 2>I think there. I think there is a case for

0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:27.479
<v Speaker 2>domin though. I well, now the other side of that.

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:29.680
<v Speaker 2>This is gonna be a pretty funny example, but it's

0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 2>a real example because Jesse Winker was a platoon player

0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 2>for the Reds and he made an All Star Game

0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 2>back in twenty one when he had a nine to

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 2>fifty ops.

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Hmm, but didn't Jesse played against righty or lefty some.

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Not a ton He played one hundred and ten games

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 2>that year.

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, he also had a problem getting hurt.

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:54.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe that's what it was here. If I can

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 2>look at the splits fast, I'll do it for Winker.

0:30:56.720 --> 0:31:02.959
<v Speaker 2>But again, like he mostly hit that year, Yeah, okay,

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 2>so maybe maybe he saw it. He had sixty three

0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:09.840
<v Speaker 2>games against lefties and it says one hundred and seven

0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 2>against righties, which means because he only played one hundred

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 2>and ten games, that means he was intermingling against each

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 2>side of the plate.

0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 1>What we can say for Dom Canzona is that he

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 1>has had an all Star caliber season, but he not

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 1>might not have all Star credentials to do so, m H.

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:30.480
<v Speaker 2>I think that's right, But I think that's fair.

0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:35.440
<v Speaker 1>All Star games don't like mean as much as winning games,

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 1>so we'll see. The next guy is Julio Rodriguez, and

0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Julio I think is right on the line. He is,

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 1>I think skirting like right on the edge of whether

0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 1>or not he actually deserves to be an All Star

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:50.200
<v Speaker 1>this year.

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 2>I think it'll be like last year, where if he

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 2>gets in, unless something drastically changes in the next couple weeks,

0:31:57.000 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 2>it'll be pretty late. Among center fielders, he is fourth

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:06.360
<v Speaker 2>among ale centerfielders in War. I believe it's Trout, Buxton,

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 2>and Rafaela ahead of him. Yeah, it is, it's those three.

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 2>Trout's obviously injured. But the thing about the All Star

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Game is it's not by position, it's just outfielders. They

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 2>just stick the best outfielders out there, not the best

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 2>left fielders, centerfielders, and right fielders. So if Julio gets in,

0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean he's sitting in at about a one to

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 2>eleven WRC plus he's got one and a half wins

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:30.720
<v Speaker 2>on fangrafts, which is down for him, well down in

0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:32.720
<v Speaker 2>terms of what his overall pace would usually be for

0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:34.560
<v Speaker 2>the year, but we also know a lot of his

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 2>damage usually comes in the second half. So if he

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:40.480
<v Speaker 2>gets in, yeah, I think it's gonna be as an alternate,

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 2>and I think it would be pretty late in the process.

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:46.200
<v Speaker 2>But I just don't know if he really has the

0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:48.400
<v Speaker 2>accolades so far in the first half to say he

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:49.560
<v Speaker 2>is a definitive All Star.

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 1>He's got essentially the same resume as he did last year.

0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:56.160
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't look like this at this point. Last year,

0:32:56.200 --> 0:32:58.120
<v Speaker 1>on June twenty third, as we're recording this, he had

0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 1>the same WRC plus. Yeah, and he ended up making

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:04.840
<v Speaker 1>an All Star game last year by having a crazy

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:09.480
<v Speaker 1>final serie. Well, this isn't no. They selected him, he

0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 1>turned it down, and then he had a crazy final

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 1>series and stayed home. That's what he did if I

0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 1>remember that order correctly. If he's going to get in,

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna get in off of name recognition. He's not

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:24.360
<v Speaker 1>going to get in off of accolade offensive accolades, at least,

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:28.520
<v Speaker 1>definitely not defensive accolades, because I think his case would

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 1>be a bit better if his defense was at normal

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:33.040
<v Speaker 1>levels and his war was like one win higher, which

0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 1>I think it would be if he played defense at

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 1>even last year's pace. But since he hasn't and he's

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, nursing a one toh nine WORC plus entering

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 1>the game today with a one and a half war,

0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:49.000
<v Speaker 1>that's it's not very not very convincing. But they could

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.120
<v Speaker 1>still end enough guys could opt out. He could end

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 1>up playing anyways. Would he accept again, I honestly don't

0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:56.959
<v Speaker 1>know if he would. I couldn't tell you.

0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, maybe he'd want the time off again. I

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 2>don't know if that was just a last year thing

0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:03.640
<v Speaker 2>or reset that he now wants every year. Only Julio

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:06.600
<v Speaker 2>would really be able to answer that. But you're right

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:08.319
<v Speaker 2>that if he gets in, there is gonna be some

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:11.120
<v Speaker 2>name brand behind that rather than just pure production. Because

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 2>I'll give you an example. I'm not even gonna throw

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:16.680
<v Speaker 2>out some random name. I'll give you some above average name.

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<v Speaker 2>If Brandon Neimo had Julio's stats, I don't think Brandon

0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Nemo's getting into the All Star Game, even as an alternate.

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<v Speaker 2>What Julio does with his name recognition is up himself

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. Nimo wouldn't get in off those accolades.

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<v Speaker 1>Or what about if this was let's do the have

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<v Speaker 1>him do someone as the same position, because I don't

0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:39.799
<v Speaker 1>think Neimo's a sumer at centerfielder anymore. How about if

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<v Speaker 1>Saddan Rafaela had these numbers, would he be an All Star?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Probably not. Doesn't have the same name recognition.

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<v Speaker 1>No he doesn't. I wouldn't be heartbroken whether or not

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Julio makes the All Star Game. I at this point

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:55.399
<v Speaker 1>of his career, given that Julio took last year's All

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:58.239
<v Speaker 1>Star Game off. Not totally trying to speak for him,

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:00.480
<v Speaker 1>but it's obviously not a make or break exc experience

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:03.800
<v Speaker 1>for him anymore. It doesn't seem like and the rest

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 1>was very valuable for him because he had a much

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 1>better second half than he did first half last year,

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 1>and if you remember last year, I think the vibe

0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:14.360
<v Speaker 1>around him was a little bit different this month. Julio's

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 1>had a tough month, but overall it's been a productive

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 1>time for him at the plate. Last year, it was

0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 1>a swirl of negativity heading into the All Star break.

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 1>He could not figure it out at the plate at all,

0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:30.080
<v Speaker 1>and the break made more sense. I would be a

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 1>little bit more surprised this year if he just said, Hey,

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 1>I need to focus on myself. But I also wouldn't

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:39.319
<v Speaker 1>bash against him because it worked, and you know, All

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<v Speaker 1>Star Game is not the be all end all in

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we get to the pitchers, we have three different

0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:50.319
<v Speaker 1>mariners pitchers each with I think three unique cases to

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<v Speaker 1>First picture we're going to talk about is Brian Wu.

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:26.760
<v Speaker 1>Brian wo through the first half as an era, sitting

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:30.279
<v Speaker 1>just under four as expected, numbers look significantly better and

0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:32.800
<v Speaker 1>he's fall and away the best picture in this rotation.

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:37.319
<v Speaker 1>My fangraft swins above replacement. Do we think he's an

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:39.440
<v Speaker 1>All Star or do we think this era is going

0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 1>to be held against him?

0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Depends on what people measure off by Warman, he is

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:49.480
<v Speaker 2>tied for six in the American League. The values there,

0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:53.200
<v Speaker 2>and there's usually more than six starting pitchers that get selected.

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.400
<v Speaker 2>I think if Brian Wu has a pretty good final

0:37:56.440 --> 0:37:59.000
<v Speaker 2>couple starts and he lowers the ERA even just a

0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:01.919
<v Speaker 2>little bit more in a down to somewhere between three

0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:04.719
<v Speaker 2>six and three seven as the voting starts to finish up,

0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 2>he'll be there.

0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Brian Wu is going to be an All Star because

0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 1>he is an All Star caliber pitcher less than he

0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:17.719
<v Speaker 1>has all Star caliber overall stats in the first half.

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Although he's tied for six then war in the American League.

0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:24.440
<v Speaker 1>He is, but dra's pretty high and he's not striking

0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:27.920
<v Speaker 1>out a crazy amount of batters. So if you were

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:31.799
<v Speaker 1>to just say, look, Brian Wo's allowed way more runners,

0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:34.799
<v Speaker 1>way more runs than he usually does, and he's not

0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:37.480
<v Speaker 1>striking the world out. He's not doing this with a

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:41.600
<v Speaker 1>thirty percent strikeout rate. Just sort of the baseline production

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:46.120
<v Speaker 1>stats are not saying, hey, he's an All Star, but

0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 1>we also know how good Brian Wu can be. Just

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:51.120
<v Speaker 1>look at his last start. Amazing.

0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:55.440
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna have roughly what four more starts until the

0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:58.080
<v Speaker 2>All Star break, and it's probably three more until those

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:00.959
<v Speaker 2>at least the first round of votes tally in. Maybe

0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:02.960
<v Speaker 2>after that fourth one is when the final votes will

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 2>start tallying in. So look, man, if Brian Wu is

0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:08.640
<v Speaker 2>a four start stretch where he's just dominant and gets

0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:12.280
<v Speaker 2>back to being Pete Brian Wu, I think the numbers

0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 2>will be there at the end, even if one of

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:16.080
<v Speaker 2>those starts is a little shaky, and he has three

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:18.960
<v Speaker 2>of four good starts to end the first half, you're

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:21.560
<v Speaker 2>probably talking about his Zra sitting a lot closer to

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 2>three five, three six, and that looks more like an

0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:24.480
<v Speaker 2>All Star.

0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Can you name the six pitchers who rank in front

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 1>of him in the ale? Oh?

0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:32.879
<v Speaker 2>I was looking at this earlier, so I have down

0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:35.840
<v Speaker 2>in my notes he has tied for sixth in al

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:39.319
<v Speaker 2>f war by starting pitchers. But if you want me

0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:42.359
<v Speaker 2>to actually try to rank the guys ahead of them, okay, and.

0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:45.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm asking this because the list is is kind of crazy.

0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:48.399
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I was just looking at this earlier. So let's

0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:52.200
<v Speaker 2>see if I can get him right. It is well,

0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, dude, so many of the best starters are

0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:57.640
<v Speaker 2>in the National League. I mean miss Yamamoto, Sanchez, Skeens,

0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Scooble's been injured, so like he's not up there. Who's

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:03.799
<v Speaker 2>on here? I mean Hunter Brown's been injured, so he's

0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:06.680
<v Speaker 2>not up there? Is Joe Ryan one of them?

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Yep, he's one of them?

0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:11.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, he's one. Oh, Schlitzler has to be one

0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:14.799
<v Speaker 2>four and away one? Yeah, I mean he's he might

0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:15.879
<v Speaker 2>start the All Star Game.

0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:17.800
<v Speaker 1>He should start the All Star Game. He's been the

0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 1>best picture in baseball.

0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Better well you think he's been better than Sanchez and miz.

0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay, sorry, best picture in the American League?

0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:27.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Uh?

0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:29.719
<v Speaker 2>Who else is going to be on this list? So

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 2>that's two of them? What else we got? I can

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 2>do this? It's bullpen banner crossed over with the Marine

0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:41.560
<v Speaker 2>Layer pod. As we're sitting here doing this, I can.

0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Hear on the pod though we could be as niche

0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:43.640
<v Speaker 1>as we want.

0:40:44.080 --> 0:40:48.640
<v Speaker 2>Sure, there's okay, So there's there's four more because there's three, four, five,

0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:50.920
<v Speaker 2>and then the guy that's tied at six with wu

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:54.040
<v Speaker 2>give me the give me the divisions.

0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:57.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean you have an Ale West at number two.

0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so there's somebody I'm missing. It's none of the Mariners,

0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:03.960
<v Speaker 2>it's none of the Astros.

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:07.319
<v Speaker 1>And going into the season, you would say never in

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:09.160
<v Speaker 1>a million years up here.

0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:12.120
<v Speaker 2>I know. I was just looking at this earlier. It's

0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:14.839
<v Speaker 2>redept Mers. Redebt Mers is number two in the Ale.

0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:17.799
<v Speaker 2>He's been really good. And I guess Jose Sriano's falling

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:19.359
<v Speaker 2>off a bit because I don't think he's up here.

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 1>No, he's not.

0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:22.880
<v Speaker 2>He was really good to start the year and then

0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 2>he's taken a little bit of a spin. Okay, so

0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:27.839
<v Speaker 2>Debt Merse. We got half of these. Who else has

0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:32.200
<v Speaker 2>got a big money pitcher at number three? Mm hmm

0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Ale Central No, mm hm. Well it's not the Red Sox,

0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:46.319
<v Speaker 2>it's not the Orioles East. Oh oh, it's one of

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Ceesar godsman, I'll say Dylan ce'es.

0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:49.120
<v Speaker 1>It's Seas.

0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:53.080
<v Speaker 2>So we've got four of them who we still need.

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:58.359
<v Speaker 1>And number five and number six they have the same

0:41:58.400 --> 0:41:59.680
<v Speaker 1>initial to start their names.

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 2>That's not gonna help. Let's see where else could he?

0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Is is one of them? A ray? Yep?

0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Is it?

0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Nick Martinez No, Oh, it's not McClanahan, is it. No,

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:19.839
<v Speaker 2>Martinez was so good for a while, so it's not him.

0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:26.239
<v Speaker 2>It's not McClanahan. Pepio's hurt. Who oh, oh? Is it Rasmussen.

0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 1>It's Drew Rasmussen.

0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, what division is this?

0:42:30.040 --> 0:42:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Last guy in central? It starts with a d al Central.

0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:39.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh, this is really niche. This guy's been really good.

0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:40.480
<v Speaker 2>It's Davis Martin.

0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:44.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's kind of that's a jumbled list of guys

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:46.719
<v Speaker 1>in front of Brian lou So, okay, all those guys

0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:48.200
<v Speaker 1>will should make the All Star Game.

0:42:48.320 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 2>So let's do that again, because that was very jumbled

0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:57.120
<v Speaker 2>for people sitting here listening. So it is in some order. Schlitler, Debt, Mers, Joe, Ryan,

0:42:57.800 --> 0:43:03.439
<v Speaker 2>Davis Martin, uh, season Rasmussen, see Rats Muss and Brian wu.

0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 2>That's a pretty crazy list.

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:08.759
<v Speaker 1>What a what a what a pitching staff? You know

0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:11.360
<v Speaker 1>how people were joking last year that the American League's

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:14.319
<v Speaker 1>starting lineup on the All Star Game people would look

0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:17.560
<v Speaker 1>back on it in twenty years and be like, wow,

0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:21.680
<v Speaker 1>m like, that's that's such a random lineup. If that's

0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:24.080
<v Speaker 1>the assortment of pitchers the ALE is gonna send out

0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:25.840
<v Speaker 1>there this year. I think people are gonna do the

0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:28.320
<v Speaker 1>same thing in twenty twenty six with the pitching staff.

0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:31.919
<v Speaker 2>I bet you Trek Scoogle still gets in off name

0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:33.640
<v Speaker 2>as long as he has a couple more good starts,

0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:34.799
<v Speaker 2>I bet he still gets there.

0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:38.359
<v Speaker 1>I think so. I think they'll select him in there.

0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's another point being I think one way

0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:46.080
<v Speaker 2>or another, Wu's gonna end up there unless he really

0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 2>falls apart in his last few starts.

0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Next one's Logan Gilbert Logan. Gilbert has pretty much, in

0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:55.840
<v Speaker 1>my opinion, the same case as Brian Wu. I think

0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:59.719
<v Speaker 1>the American League will select one or the other a Logan.

0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:02.439
<v Speaker 1>Gilber doesn't have as good expected stats as WU does,

0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:04.320
<v Speaker 1>but he does have a better era and he's thrown

0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:06.280
<v Speaker 1>more innings, will striking out more batters.

0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Though, again, if you're just gonna use the value, the

0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:12.719
<v Speaker 2>war numbers aren't there for Gilbert, and by era he's

0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:16.080
<v Speaker 2>been better than WU. But he's outside the top ten

0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:18.840
<v Speaker 2>in the American League, like just outside. He ranks eleventh.

0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:22.480
<v Speaker 2>So what do you value here? I guess if you're

0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:25.640
<v Speaker 2>trying to rank the player based off where their value

0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:28.840
<v Speaker 2>has been and where the results have been versus their peers.

0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:32.680
<v Speaker 2>WU ranks more up the totem pole in some of

0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:35.040
<v Speaker 2>these categories than Logan Gilbert does right now.

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:38.640
<v Speaker 1>Or it can just ask you while who has been

0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:40.959
<v Speaker 1>the better picture this year, Logan Gilbert or Brian Wu.

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:44.279
<v Speaker 2>I feel like it's still been Wu, even amidst the

0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:45.200
<v Speaker 2>tough stretch he had.

0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:48.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm with you. I think Brian has been a better picture, better, more,

0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:52.600
<v Speaker 1>maybe more consistence the wrong word, but he's he's been

0:44:52.719 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 1>a better picture this year than Logan Gilbert.

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:59.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now, the last case is because I actually think

0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Gilbert has the war case. Of these three guys, the

0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:05.120
<v Speaker 2>last case here is the most fascinating, and this could

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:06.800
<v Speaker 2>be in a lot of ways. This year is Jacob

0:45:06.840 --> 0:45:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Mizerowski case not quite the small enough sample, but it's

0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:13.440
<v Speaker 2>Bryce Miller. I mean, I think Bryce is a real case.

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:16.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, Bryce Miller's pitching like an All Star. He's gonna

0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:18.520
<v Speaker 1>have to force them to put him on the roster

0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:22.319
<v Speaker 1>one five eight era, a thirty percent strikeout ray in

0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:25.480
<v Speaker 1>a three percent walk rate, Like, come on, He's going

0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:29.640
<v Speaker 1>to have four more starts by the time the All

0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Star break rolls around, so he'll be at eleven starts

0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:37.200
<v Speaker 1>and he would probably get added to the roster with

0:45:37.360 --> 0:45:40.160
<v Speaker 1>his tenth after his tenth start, so he's gonna essentially

0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:43.239
<v Speaker 1>get three more starts to put himself on that All

0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:45.879
<v Speaker 1>Star Game roster. I mean, I'll just say this. I mean,

0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:48.359
<v Speaker 1>since he came back, he has been an All Star

0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:50.360
<v Speaker 1>caliber pitcher. He's been one of the best pitchers in

0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Major League Baseball since he's been back. That's one. I

0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 1>think that's the case that you have to use right there.

0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:59.200
<v Speaker 2>Here's another part of here's another niche number. I won't

0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:00.799
<v Speaker 2>make you do the trivia like we did, but I'll

0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:03.680
<v Speaker 2>just read it out to you. Since Bryce Miller's come back,

0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:08.359
<v Speaker 2>he is fifth in Baseball in Era not the American League,

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:11.280
<v Speaker 2>in baseball since his first start back off the IL

0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:13.680
<v Speaker 2>this year. The guys who rank ahead of him, when

0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:17.239
<v Speaker 2>Logan Webb is the smallest name of the four, that

0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:19.920
<v Speaker 2>tells you a lot because Logan Web's ahead of them,

0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:23.520
<v Speaker 2>and then it's Jacob Mizerowski, Christopher Sanchez, and Yoshinobu Yamamoto.

0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Would you say that's pretty good?

0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 1>I would say that's really, really, really good. The thing

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:32.839
<v Speaker 1>Bryce is not gonna have that Miserowski does. I kind

0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:35.800
<v Speaker 1>of feel like most of the reason Jacob Mizerowski was

0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:38.080
<v Speaker 1>added to last year's All Star Game, it's because he

0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:40.920
<v Speaker 1>throws one hundred and five miles an hour. Bryce does

0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:43.319
<v Speaker 1>not throw one hundred and five miles an hour, So

0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:45.799
<v Speaker 1>unlike miss last year, Bryce is going to need to

0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:48.440
<v Speaker 1>prove with the stats that he deserves to be an

0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 1>All Star. But if you were just ask me point blank,

0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:53.319
<v Speaker 1>like TJ, you can pick one Mariner starter to go

0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:56.319
<v Speaker 1>to the All Star Game this year, I'd have a

0:46:56.360 --> 0:47:00.480
<v Speaker 1>really tough time not saying. Bryce Miller agreed. There's there's

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:02.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of starts, Like there's a ten start difference

0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:05.320
<v Speaker 1>between him and his other two guys that he's competing

0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:08.000
<v Speaker 1>with for the All Star Game, and lots can happen

0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:12.080
<v Speaker 1>in those starts. But Bryce Miller is dominating more than

0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:13.840
<v Speaker 1>even Brian Wuz dominated this season.

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I would put Bryce Miller in before any of the

0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:20.720
<v Speaker 2>other starters, even with the smaller sample. If Bryce Miller

0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:23.680
<v Speaker 2>has three more good starts, I really hope Major League

0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Baseball gets him to the game because he deserves it.

0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Even with the smaller sample, he has been that guy.

0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:31.520
<v Speaker 2>He has been the rock in the Mariners rotation since

0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:34.200
<v Speaker 2>coming back off the il. He has been the stopper

0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:36.399
<v Speaker 2>in the rotation. He has been their most dominant arm.

0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:38.360
<v Speaker 2>I'd give it to him.

0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:41.560
<v Speaker 1>What's unfortunate for him is that he is slotted to

0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:43.760
<v Speaker 1>pitch in the last game of the first half.

0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:49.840
<v Speaker 2>You could still, though, have him selected and he goes

0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:51.560
<v Speaker 2>and he gets to soak it all in and he

0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:53.440
<v Speaker 2>gets to be on the field and he gets to

0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:56.440
<v Speaker 2>have the whole experience. Maybe he just wouldn't pitch. Honestly,

0:47:57.040 --> 0:47:59.480
<v Speaker 2>for a Mariner's fan, that's best case scenario. You don't

0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:01.320
<v Speaker 2>have to worry about a pitcher getting injured in the

0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:03.640
<v Speaker 2>All Star Game. Bryce gets to go soak it all

0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:06.000
<v Speaker 2>in and then he's fine to go pitch the second half.

0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Fair point. I do feel like those guys really do

0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:13.919
<v Speaker 1>like the opportunity to go all out against an All

0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Star lineup and Bryce can just let it rip for

0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:19.000
<v Speaker 1>an inning. I mean, you see ninety eight to one

0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:20.239
<v Speaker 1>hundred miles an hour from him.

0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Though, Would that not be his bullpen day if he

0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:26.000
<v Speaker 2>starts Sunday.

0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:28.480
<v Speaker 1>No, his bullpen day would be Wednesday.

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:30.760
<v Speaker 2>I think, Oh yeah, I guess that's.

0:48:30.680 --> 0:48:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Right, Wednesday or Thursday, and maybe it might even be longer.

0:48:34.600 --> 0:48:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Than that, since we don't know when Bryce is starting

0:48:36.800 --> 0:48:38.200
<v Speaker 1>coming out of the All Star break either.

0:48:38.680 --> 0:48:41.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hope he gets to go and experience it,

0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:44.960
<v Speaker 2>even if he starts the last game of the first half.

0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Some pitchers skip it when that happens to him, the

0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:48.759
<v Speaker 2>guys that have done it a million times and might

0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:51.000
<v Speaker 2>just want to rest. I feel like if Bryce Miller

0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:53.120
<v Speaker 2>gets selected to the All Star Game, his first All

0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Star Game, he would go and he would soak it

0:48:55.600 --> 0:48:55.960
<v Speaker 2>all in.

0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:59.640
<v Speaker 1>And it's closer for him to go to Philly than

0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:02.719
<v Speaker 1>it would be to fly back to Seattle because the

0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:05.799
<v Speaker 1>Mariners will be in Tampa Bay the weekend before, right,

0:49:06.280 --> 0:49:08.280
<v Speaker 1>it'd be it wouldn't It wouldn't be at It wouldn't

0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:11.400
<v Speaker 1>be like the Bryce was. The Mariners were playing their

0:49:11.440 --> 0:49:14.080
<v Speaker 1>last series of the first half in Sacramento and Bryce

0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:16.000
<v Speaker 1>had the choice of flying back to Seattle for four

0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:17.760
<v Speaker 1>days or he had a fly all the way across

0:49:17.760 --> 0:49:21.919
<v Speaker 1>the country to Philadelphia. This one's not quite as inconvenient

0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:25.560
<v Speaker 1>now if Bryce does make it, though, But what were

0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:27.560
<v Speaker 1>you gonna say? You might take the words out of

0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:29.680
<v Speaker 1>my mouth, but go for it. I was get The

0:49:29.760 --> 0:49:32.920
<v Speaker 1>coolest thing about this is that Bryce would become if

0:49:32.920 --> 0:49:36.960
<v Speaker 1>he was selected the fourth different Mariners homegrown starting pitcher

0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:40.040
<v Speaker 1>to make an All Star Game in the last four years,

0:49:40.600 --> 0:49:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and of the guys in this rotation, it will be

0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:45.600
<v Speaker 1>the fifth guy in five years, because Luis Castillo made

0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:48.000
<v Speaker 1>it in twenty twenty two, Kirby made it in twenty

0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:51.040
<v Speaker 1>twenty three, Gilbert made it in twenty twenty four, Brian

0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Wu made it in twenty twenty five, and hopefully Bryce

0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Miller could make it here in twenty twenty six. I

0:49:57.640 --> 0:50:00.799
<v Speaker 1>know we were really pining hard for our guy a

0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:02.920
<v Speaker 1>few weeks ago. I don't know if he has the

0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:05.520
<v Speaker 1>stats now to make the All Star Game.

0:50:05.640 --> 0:50:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, Yeah, you did take the words right out of

0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:11.360
<v Speaker 2>my mouth. I was also gonna say that if Bryce

0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:14.399
<v Speaker 2>makes it, every single guy in the Mariner's rotation will

0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:16.239
<v Speaker 2>have made an All Star Game as a Mariner because

0:50:16.280 --> 0:50:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Castillo made it in twenty twenty three. That would be

0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:21.920
<v Speaker 2>pretty remarkable. You have all five guys make an All

0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:25.799
<v Speaker 2>Star Game as a Mariner be pretty good.

0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:29.120
<v Speaker 1>I just know there's no other rotation in baseball that

0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:32.160
<v Speaker 1>can say that what the Mariners have done in pitching

0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:36.680
<v Speaker 1>development is something that should be lauded across Major League Baseball.

0:50:36.719 --> 0:50:39.880
<v Speaker 1>It is. It's great and they've really knocked it out

0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:40.319
<v Speaker 1>of the park.

0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:42.839
<v Speaker 2>And Kate Anderson and Ryan Sloan probably have a pretty

0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:44.239
<v Speaker 2>good chance in their own right to make some All

0:50:44.239 --> 0:50:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Star Games in their career.

0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:48.879
<v Speaker 1>They have two guys that have are projected higher than

0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:51.120
<v Speaker 1>any of the current five guys in the rotation. They

0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:54.480
<v Speaker 1>have all made All Star games. M hm, that's great to.

0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:57.799
<v Speaker 2>Be talking about seven different starters making the All Star Game.

0:50:58.040 --> 0:51:02.440
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy, An, what an accomplishment. I know there's flaws elsewhere,

0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:04.719
<v Speaker 1>and we have highlighted a lot of those flaws, but man,

0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:09.080
<v Speaker 1>the development of pictures is crazy. That's why they're taking

0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:11.680
<v Speaker 1>a picture in the first round this year, because they're like, yeah,

0:51:11.719 --> 0:51:14.880
<v Speaker 1>do I want to risk a high schooler busting like

0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:17.319
<v Speaker 1>a high school hitter busting, or do I want Oh,

0:51:17.360 --> 0:51:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I'll just draft a college pitcher in the first round

0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:22.000
<v Speaker 1>will be an All Star in twenty thirty one.

0:51:22.840 --> 0:51:26.200
<v Speaker 2>There you go. You know what, let our guy Logan

0:51:26.239 --> 0:51:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Evans eventually make an All Star Game too, and that'll

0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:29.879
<v Speaker 2>be eight different guys.

0:51:29.920 --> 0:51:30.840
<v Speaker 1>That would be so cool.

0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:34.320
<v Speaker 2>That amazable. He's coming back with a vengeance. I just

0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:35.799
<v Speaker 2>want people to know that come next year.

0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:38.680
<v Speaker 1>I think he's gonna I think he's gonna blow some

0:51:38.719 --> 0:51:40.239
<v Speaker 1>people away when he comes back.

0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:43.279
<v Speaker 2>I do too, But I think that covers all the

0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Mariners All Stars. I think that covers all the guys

0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:47.560
<v Speaker 2>that have a true case. So you guys make sure

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:50.279
<v Speaker 2>to tell us in the comments of these guys, who

0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:52.640
<v Speaker 2>would you vote for? Who would be your number one

0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:54.840
<v Speaker 2>priority to make the All Star Game on this team.

0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure the answers will vary, and we're interested to

0:51:57.000 --> 0:51:58.000
<v Speaker 2>see him.

0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:01.560
<v Speaker 1>The only other picture we did make was Kirby. Kirby

0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:04.080
<v Speaker 1>again has a very similar case to Logan Gilbert and

0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Brian Wu, but he also has an ERA over four,

0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:09.680
<v Speaker 1>so's he's probably third among those three.

0:52:10.040 --> 0:52:13.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just don't see that one happening. And you

0:52:13.560 --> 0:52:16.000
<v Speaker 2>know what, the two lefty relievers probably have a case

0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:18.400
<v Speaker 2>in their own right too, and Jose fererin Gabe Spier,

0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:21.759
<v Speaker 2>but non closers just so rarely make All Star Games

0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:23.439
<v Speaker 2>that unfortunately, it's gonna be pretty tough.

0:52:24.000 --> 0:52:25.880
<v Speaker 1>The only one who is on pace out of the

0:52:25.880 --> 0:52:28.200
<v Speaker 1>bullpen besides those two to make an All Star Game

0:52:28.280 --> 0:52:32.319
<v Speaker 1>was Brash, but Brash shirt right because Matt had a

0:52:32.520 --> 0:52:35.759
<v Speaker 1>mats eras I think still like a half Yeah, if

0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:38.760
<v Speaker 1>you have a half er and you have a thirty

0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:41.760
<v Speaker 1>percent or higher strikeout rate of and you're not a closer,

0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:44.200
<v Speaker 1>then I feel like you have a chance. But we

0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:45.680
<v Speaker 1>barely got to see that for Matt.

0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:50.400
<v Speaker 2>It's just gotten tougher and tougher for non closers to

0:52:50.440 --> 0:52:54.560
<v Speaker 2>make it, so I think it'll be hard. Yeah, all right,

0:52:55.160 --> 0:52:57.400
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