Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We're all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them
Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in
Speaker 1: our comic Girl Cheering for the drama Queen's Girl Fashion.
Speaker 1: But you're tough, girl. You could sit with us Girl Drama, Queens, Drama,
Speaker 1: Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama Drawn MC, Queen's Drama, Queen's Ladies, Gentlemen, listeners, friends.
Speaker 1: Last week we said where is the Redemption? And it
Speaker 1: turns out that this week it is in episode seventeen,
Speaker 1: Spirit in the Night. It's a secret Sparkle classic and
Speaker 1: it aired originally April six, two thousand four. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: we got our show back this week. Guys, san good.
Speaker 1: We had so much fun watching this. Look at this.
Speaker 1: We took notes again. We were so happy Greenberg. In
Speaker 1: the middle of the episode, I took a screen grab
Speaker 1: and I was like, you are a doll, baby, I guys,
Speaker 1: I loved this episode too. Was this one of our
Speaker 1: first field trips? Yeah? I think it was. We took
Speaker 1: this on the road danger, Myrtle Beach, on the road,
Speaker 1: Myrtle Beach. Baby. That was fun. It was fun and
Speaker 1: Hayley got to be a cheerleader for the first time,
Speaker 1: which the introduction and the first time Brooke ever called
Speaker 1: Haley Haley. That's right, Oh my gosh. We also had
Speaker 1: Lee was involved, you know. Their last episode was the
Speaker 1: first time that we had seen Antoine in the high
Speaker 1: school and now Lee in social settings, which is important. O.
Speaker 1: Our secondary characters were really like vital part of our
Speaker 1: seven tiny Risa, Daniella, all girls, all of the boys
Speaker 1: on the basketball team. I also will say to everybody
Speaker 1: at with us today that there were some very close
Speaker 1: to spit takes with Brook screams, hey, lips come here.
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, she is such a little tyrant
Speaker 1: at the opening of this episode, and you learn that
Speaker 1: it's because she's really leaning into the escapism of the
Speaker 1: control and the choreography and the project to fix her sadness.
Speaker 1: And and it's kind of an amazing framework, you know,
Speaker 1: with the with the cheer competition and with the game
Speaker 1: for everybody to confront um sort of the edges of
Speaker 1: their comfort, even for Lucas and for Nathan. I mean, god,
Speaker 1: Lucas seems like himself again, and Lucas and Nathan get
Speaker 1: into the whole um leaning on each other to learn
Speaker 1: the fade away. We're learning sports terms over here. There
Speaker 1: are just good things happening in this episode and Brooke
Speaker 1: and in Peyton's friendship rekindling and men kind of. I know,
Speaker 1: it was like a little a little fumbly at the end,
Speaker 1: they're still but I just was so happy to see
Speaker 1: I missed it even for like a couple episodes. Like
Speaker 1: I realized is that we have spoken a number of
Speaker 1: times about how quickly our characters fall in love and
Speaker 1: how quickly they like shack up and like, you know,
Speaker 1: couple up. Yeah, when other shows do the whole you know,
Speaker 1: like long drawn out thing. And I realized that in
Speaker 1: our show, the friendships are the will they or won't
Speaker 1: they relationships because Lucas and Nathan the whole episode of
Speaker 1: like are they friends? Are they not friends? And that's
Speaker 1: been going on like all season. You know, we've got
Speaker 1: this shared thing of hating Dan, but it's will they
Speaker 1: or won't they? And now with Brooke and Payton, it's
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's will they or won't they? And
Speaker 1: so I can see why a lot of our fan
Speaker 1: base has questioned if like the true romantic si ism
Speaker 1: of the show isn't involved in the friendships, you know,
Speaker 1: like that has been something that people have talked about
Speaker 1: for years. Yeah, I actually think, gosh, that's such an
Speaker 1: interesting Maybe that's our secret. I think it is, you, guys,
Speaker 1: because when you think about how long it takes all
Speaker 1: the girls to become friends, the sort of flip flopping
Speaker 1: over the guy for for Brooke and Peyton, I think
Speaker 1: that's why everyone's always gone. The relationships are cool, but
Speaker 1: the friendships are what mattered to us because they're they're
Speaker 1: slow and they're honest. Oh I like that. Can I
Speaker 1: can I? As much as I love the seriousness of
Speaker 1: our friendship conversation, can I just steer back into the
Speaker 1: sizzling romance of what is happening in this episode between
Speaker 1: Karen and Larry. Oh, guys, if we could just make
Speaker 1: it weirder than be great. It was like, let's do
Speaker 1: this love triangle between the kids and then let's have
Speaker 1: their parents took up. Like I just I get that
Speaker 1: it's a small town, like I fully understand, but the
Speaker 1: whole incestuous of it nature of it just gives me hives.
Speaker 1: I'm like, totally get it, totally get it, but there
Speaker 1: but there were major vibes there. I have to acknowledge
Speaker 1: it's pretend those aren't are real parents, but it's still
Speaker 1: creeps me out in a way that feels mortifyed. Like
Speaker 1: when they came on the screen and they were flirting,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh God, what do you do. Everyone
Speaker 1: just says, it's if clueless did it, if clueless got
Speaker 1: away with it, it's all. It's okay now, I guess
Speaker 1: I will say. I am currently watching season three of
Speaker 1: Sex Education. It is my happy show, and there is
Speaker 1: a whole thing between Otis's mom and Olah's dad and
Speaker 1: Otis and Ola you stay and like, this is apparently
Speaker 1: a dynamic in small towns on television, but I felt that,
Speaker 1: I mean, Hillary, I need you to know, like clearly
Speaker 1: neither Karen or Larry is one of Brooks parents. And
Speaker 1: when that started happening on screen, I was like, what
Speaker 1: are our parents doing? It felt crazy because I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, for us, they really seemed like the worldly,
Speaker 1: know it all adults, the responsible ones. Yeah, when we
Speaker 1: were when we were little babies, we were messy, and
Speaker 1: it to see them have like genuine chemistry, which now
Speaker 1: as adults we know you can have with your friends,
Speaker 1: with your coworkers. It doesn't actually have to be romantic,
Speaker 1: but at the time it felt really real and I'm
Speaker 1: having I'm having feelings so from trying to figure out
Speaker 1: like the back story because Okay, so we know that
Speaker 1: Karen was a Treehole Raven cheerleader, which is exciting, like
Speaker 1: for her to cop to in this episode. We know
Speaker 1: from a former captain to another. By the way, Karen
Speaker 1: was the captain. I was captain, you know, like a
Speaker 1: little bit deal. But she's like, we're the we're the
Speaker 1: same girl. I came to check on you because my
Speaker 1: son's an idiot, and also to let you know I'm
Speaker 1: like you. Well, but we also know from previous episodes
Speaker 1: that Whitey knows Peyton's mom because she was a cheerleader. Now,
Speaker 1: Karen had Lucas at eighteen, right, and so I have
Speaker 1: to imagine parents. You know, Peyton's parents were older. So
Speaker 1: if they were like, you know, a lot of grades ahead, Um,
Speaker 1: that means that Larry Peyton's dad would have potentially also
Speaker 1: been of the tree Hill lineage. And so if they're
Speaker 1: like class of eighty eight, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out that I wish they hadn't
Speaker 1: known each other. Wouldn't that have been nice? Yeah, It's like,
Speaker 1: how do they not know each other in this small
Speaker 1: town if they all went to the same school. Unless
Speaker 1: he's significantly older, I don't know. Well. I wonder if
Speaker 1: maybe Peyton's mom and Karen were the same age. But
Speaker 1: then when they went off to college, Peyton's mom at
Speaker 1: Larry like as a freshman, and maybe he was a
Speaker 1: senior and they had Peyton, so Karen knew of him
Speaker 1: but never knew him. I don't know a story point,
Speaker 1: do we Peyton Peyton's mom grew up in Tree Hill?
Speaker 1: I forgot Yeah, because remember when Whitey and Peyton are
Speaker 1: talking at the cemetery. White He's like, I knew your
Speaker 1: mama know that she was, So I feel like she
Speaker 1: would because they were old enough to adopt Peyton. I
Speaker 1: feel like she would have been a little bit older
Speaker 1: than um. But that kind of makes Larry sexy. He's
Speaker 1: like an older alumni, as opposed to Keith, who she's
Speaker 1: grown up with. You know, Keith is like I just
Speaker 1: completely ignored the reality of our show and started writing
Speaker 1: a rom com. I was like they met in college,
Speaker 1: they had a baby adopted. I really went for it,
Speaker 1: but I actually think there's something really there's something really
Speaker 1: interesting there of of a familiarity. But then also when
Speaker 1: you lose people, when you move on, and and because
Speaker 1: Larry's always gone, he's always out on a boat, like
Speaker 1: he's back to be with Peyton now she's sixteen. He
Speaker 1: doesn't want to miss anything. Karen just went away and
Speaker 1: doesn't want to miss anymore. I wonder if they're connecting
Speaker 1: on some moment in their lives. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: It's gross. It still makes me feel like a kid.
Speaker 1: You guys like, I'm just grossed out. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: There's also there's something really cool that happens with Karen
Speaker 1: that isn't romantic, but it is deeply tender. At the
Speaker 1: beginning of the episode with Deb and Karen at the
Speaker 1: cafe and she's like, sweetheart, you have to stop cleaning
Speaker 1: the counters, Like I get that you're stressed, and you
Speaker 1: realize that in the last episode where we were in
Speaker 1: the upside down and everything was awful side we were
Speaker 1: in the upside down, it was bad. But but Karen
Speaker 1: said to Deb, like, why don't we be partners? And
Speaker 1: Deb said I can't. It seems as though now they
Speaker 1: are and deb is, you know, confessing her fear and
Speaker 1: her and her heartbreak to Karen, who just says, your
Speaker 1: son's going to forgive you. You're a good person. I
Speaker 1: liked that moment. Those are important moments for us to see.
Speaker 1: And I, you know, I don't know what Karen's basing
Speaker 1: her whole you he'll forgive you thing? You know. It
Speaker 1: feels like foreshadowing in a way, like has Karen does
Speaker 1: something that Lucas is going to get mad about? Like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Um, I I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like it was just like a device, like
Speaker 1: there was to have a character who had a sane voice.
Speaker 1: It feels weird that the deb doesn't have a world
Speaker 1: of her own. That's what it feels weird to me,
Speaker 1: is that she's confessing everything into her ex as X
Speaker 1: and like deb has been a successful businesswoman, why doesn't
Speaker 1: she have a world of her own? Why doesn't she
Speaker 1: have friends? We are taking a turn with Debb because
Speaker 1: she when we started out, remember how impressed we were
Speaker 1: with her boundaries, with her sense of self, her sense
Speaker 1: of worth and identity and all this stuff. In spite
Speaker 1: of being married to this man who is clearly abusive
Speaker 1: to her in so many ways. Why, how did the
Speaker 1: turn happen? How are we? You know? Why? I feel
Speaker 1: like it's happening because in the world of the show,
Speaker 1: Deb's world has been outside of Tree Hill. She travels
Speaker 1: for work, she has a big job, she works with
Speaker 1: nonprofits out out out And what the writers are not
Speaker 1: going to do is bring in a bunch of Deb's friends.
Speaker 1: So they're going to bring Deb home where she's alone,
Speaker 1: and they're going to make her friends with Karen. This
Speaker 1: is because they don't want to hire five more actors. Unfortunate,
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate for Barbara's skill. But what I what I
Speaker 1: like that it gives us is the one person who
Speaker 1: isn't judging Deb because Dan has held this over her
Speaker 1: and threatened to ruin her life. Nathan is making his
Speaker 1: mother the sinner rather than his father, and and everything
Speaker 1: feels misogynistic again in the writing, everybody relaxed and and
Speaker 1: Deb leaning on Karen. Karen is the only other person
Speaker 1: who's ever been in a relationship with Dan, and she
Speaker 1: is like, are you crazy? Of course your son is
Speaker 1: going to forgive you. Like it almost seems like Karen
Speaker 1: isn't even going to tolerate Deb's self flagellation, her self criticism,
Speaker 1: and and I like that that. Karen's like, of course
Speaker 1: you went looking elsewhere. That guy's an asshole. I know
Speaker 1: that feels nice. Have you guys ever done that in
Speaker 1: real life? Have you ever like gotten close to the devil?
Speaker 1: You know? Do you know what I mean? Like, like
Speaker 1: I dated somebody on one trail and when we broke up,
Speaker 1: I ended up dating his old best friend, and like
Speaker 1: only because it was the only other person that knew
Speaker 1: what it was like to be disappointed by that person,
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? It was really are
Speaker 1: you really asking me that? Like we've all done this.
Speaker 1: It's like it's the same, you know you've done it.
Speaker 1: We've all done it because it's like we can talk
Speaker 1: about it, you know. It's like I can't talk about
Speaker 1: this really frustrating, embarrassing thing with anyone but the person
Speaker 1: who also loves you, you know, or loved past tense,
Speaker 1: or the person who's also been betrayed, like we share
Speaker 1: that we were both betrayed by this person. I actually
Speaker 1: think that's quite common, whether or not anybody talks about it.
Speaker 1: I it's it's the same reason that like in a
Speaker 1: completely different world, not in the closed circuit world of
Speaker 1: a of a show landscape. But think about like people
Speaker 1: who meet in you know, when people who meet in rehab,
Speaker 1: they're both suffering the same wound, and they can sometimes
Speaker 1: have a commiseration that gives them something that nothing else
Speaker 1: can commiserate. Friendship, that's a strong bond. Listen. Sometimes that's
Speaker 1: a bad idea, and sometimes it's a good idea. And
Speaker 1: I don't know how to tell you how to tell
Speaker 1: the difference. Listen, if we hate all the same things,
Speaker 1: chances are we're gonna be friends. I love that. Can
Speaker 1: we all talk about something that we all hate, but God,
Speaker 1: we love to hate him? Sweet Angel? Paul playing horrible
Speaker 1: Dan Scott cardboard cut out, Oh my god, the cardboard
Speaker 1: cut out where he's grinning. Oh my god, Joy, was
Speaker 1: it you say that the little one still lives? No, Sophie, Sophie,
Speaker 1: I haven't, guys, I have the miniature cut out, Of
Speaker 1: course I do. I'm going to ask Paul right now.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna text him, and afkan text him, Okay. I
Speaker 1: Paul carried the way he played that scene and This
Speaker 1: is where you know Paul is the sweetest human and
Speaker 1: he's such a good actor. He played that scene with
Speaker 1: the subtle, like pulsing energy of camp. Like in Scary
Speaker 1: Movie where they're making fun of scary movies. Paul is
Speaker 1: actually making fun of Dan Scott while like puffing up
Speaker 1: his chest as Dan Scott. It is so funny. And
Speaker 1: then when Craig Shepherd throws the basketball at the cut out,
Speaker 1: it's poetry and it's a wonner Like they didn't do
Speaker 1: it as an insert, It actually happened, and it is poetic,
Speaker 1: comedic justice. It's so good. It's so good. Remember this
Speaker 1: episode because you had never been a cheerleader in high school? Right, Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was for like one day and I went, this
Speaker 1: is not for me. I want to know about that
Speaker 1: one day. Tell me about that one day. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think I just signed up for cheerleading
Speaker 1: and I just tried it, and I thought, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I really don't know. I just uh, I wasn't into it.
Speaker 1: I just didn't care. I didn't care. I think that's
Speaker 1: what it was. I could have cared about soccer or
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe softball. Because their strategy and like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I guess for whatever reason, I
Speaker 1: just didn't care. I tried it, but um, but then
Speaker 1: I did do um the sequel to bring it on
Speaker 1: and uh, we had cheerleading camp for three weeks ahead
Speaker 1: of time with professional cheerleaders. They came in and we
Speaker 1: trained in that gym on Hollywood and Highland, the giant
Speaker 1: church at the corner of Hollywood and for Franklin, Franklin
Speaker 1: and Highland. Um. Yes, so we trained in there for
Speaker 1: three weeks and by the end of it, you know,
Speaker 1: we were being thrown up in the air and doing lifts,
Speaker 1: like full extension lifts on these guys hands, and I
Speaker 1: mean I was like, it was so cool. It was
Speaker 1: a really fun experience. UM. So I had a little
Speaker 1: bit of that in behind the end dance training because
Speaker 1: I grew up dancing and stuff. So I felt pretty
Speaker 1: comfortable doing all of our stuff that we did. Um. I.
Speaker 1: I we were laughing during the during the routine because
Speaker 1: you know, the choreography was mediocre, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we were all obviously doing the best we couldn't and
Speaker 1: we were good for actors to to be doing cheering,
Speaker 1: you know, cheering filming in eighteen hours a day, When
Speaker 1: are you going to learn a routine? I know That's
Speaker 1: all I'm hearing you say. When you're like, we had
Speaker 1: three weeks of twelve hours a day of rehearsal to
Speaker 1: learn saying routine, I'm like, interesting because they taught us
Speaker 1: our routine like a day before exactly. Oh god. We'd
Speaker 1: get thirty minutes and they'd be like, come on, girls,
Speaker 1: and you're like this. We were like, guys, we don't
Speaker 1: know it, we don't know it. And they were like,
Speaker 1: you'll be great. And we watched and the Hillary I
Speaker 1: think you said it. You were like, look every shots
Speaker 1: close up because there's no wide shot where we're all
Speaker 1: insane over, no group shot, we do, no rehearsal time,
Speaker 1: lots of torsos. It looks when they do the shots
Speaker 1: where there's more than one person, it looks like the
Speaker 1: moves are staggered on purpose, and I promise you at
Speaker 1: home they were not. Whoever was behind the person in
Speaker 1: the front was just following the move of the person
Speaker 1: in front. A second later, I did competitions cheer squad.
Speaker 1: I did go to n c A cheerleading camp, and
Speaker 1: I made the national squad and I was like a
Speaker 1: super cheerleader. Damn it, I love that, and it damn
Speaker 1: it killed me to not be good on what trio
Speaker 1: ll Like even I was struggling with those moves because
Speaker 1: I was like, it's not fair. It's not fair for
Speaker 1: them to not give us the proper rehearsal time and
Speaker 1: then throw us in and be like just move your
Speaker 1: bodies and like basically throw your arms in this direction.
Speaker 1: We'll shoot around you. I've been cheerleading since I was
Speaker 1: nine years old, and man, we could have done it amazing.
Speaker 1: We could have. If we'd had a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: of rehearsal, we would have killed ye never never never.
Speaker 1: And so then on top of it, they're like, we're
Speaker 1: gonna put you in front of a thousand extras and
Speaker 1: we were like, okay, good story. The extras were hecklin us.
Speaker 1: You guys. They were laughing in our faces. They were
Speaker 1: because they were all serious cheer squads and they were like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, these girls. On top of all of that,
Speaker 1: we're getting the pressure of like pull it together. We're
Speaker 1: wasting film. We were still shooting on film together, We're
Speaker 1: shooting on film, you're wasting material. And then on top
Speaker 1: of that, pull it together. Your show is gonna get canceled.
Speaker 1: We have this big corporate endorsement from Secret Sparkle. They're
Speaker 1: watching you like I was like, I will sparkle my
Speaker 1: forehead and deodorant if you need me to just make it.
Speaker 1: Stop making me dance. Let's go to the Secret Sparkle
Speaker 1: of it all because oh man, explain to the kids
Speaker 1: at home who don't know what the Secret Sparkle was.
Speaker 1: So the Secret Sparkle Classic was the chair competition. No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't was made up. It was made like it was.
Speaker 1: It was basically Nationals what Hillary is talking about. Um,
Speaker 1: but it was the TV version, and it was the
Speaker 1: TV version because I guess they got Secret Sparkle at
Speaker 1: the time. They made a glitter deodorant and they got
Speaker 1: Secret to pay, you know, to quote indoors. You guys,
Speaker 1: they made a glitter deodorant. Don't let's not blow past
Speaker 1: that glitter deodorant. Okay, guys, I love glitter. I don't
Speaker 1: know why you want to hate on it so much.
Speaker 1: I've never not bought a sequence anything, jumpsuit, pant, dress.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you want me to tell you.
Speaker 1: Like most days I dress like a teenage boy. However,
Speaker 1: if I see, I literally I just moved to Canada
Speaker 1: and I packed four suitcases and in one of them
Speaker 1: is a pair of sequin pants, so damn it. Of course,
Speaker 1: of course, I just the idea of drawing attention to
Speaker 1: your armpit, just like, check it out, guys. It's not hair,
Speaker 1: it's glitter. And it was for lasers too. It was like,
Speaker 1: before we could get rid of hair, guys, would you
Speaker 1: rather have a glitter or hair? I say glitter. I
Speaker 1: don't know what you want for me. But like the
Speaker 1: funniest part is, and now that I'm hearing you guys
Speaker 1: talk about this, I remember I vaguely remember them basically saying, oh, no,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be fine. All these girls are cheerleaders. Joy
Speaker 1: did bring it on. Hillary was competed in Nationals. They
Speaker 1: thought we didn't need rehearsal time, and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: you get to Nationals or you do bring it on
Speaker 1: by rehearsing all day every day for literal weeks. That's
Speaker 1: how so we had really sparkly armpits and terrible choreography.
Speaker 1: As the play of the story. Well, let's talk about
Speaker 1: who had great choreography. And that is Marvin McFadden. Wow.
Speaker 1: I loved that moment so much. That was so fun um.
Speaker 1: I love God, bless Lee Norris for learning all that
Speaker 1: going for it. He always throws himself in a hundred
Speaker 1: and like shaking his assa that he didn't have a
Speaker 1: problem learning the choreography, but that's so funny. Also a
Speaker 1: lot less to do in this episode though, I mean
Speaker 1: we were working ones. I was going to say that's
Speaker 1: ruth because Lee only worked two days in this episode
Speaker 1: and we worked eight, so his days of rehearsal really
Speaker 1: paid off. His choreography was flaws when he when you
Speaker 1: go when Haley says, what's a diagonal? And he collaps
Speaker 1: and goes it was It was such comedic gold. I
Speaker 1: know I said this earlier, but it bears repeating. I
Speaker 1: really feel like we got our show back. And and
Speaker 1: even with the boys, like we've been seeing you know again,
Speaker 1: it's in the writing. Bad behavior was being modeled and
Speaker 1: it's almost like I almost feel like they took it
Speaker 1: so far in the last episode that maybe, and maybe
Speaker 1: I'm giving them too much credit. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: maybe even the writers were like, WHOA, that was a
Speaker 1: lot and suddenly in this episode you have this beautiful
Speaker 1: storyline of will there wan't they with the brothers and
Speaker 1: Lucas and Nathan go to the river court and did
Speaker 1: you guys notice that this is when we started lighting
Speaker 1: the whole city on the other side, so twinkle, so beautiful,
Speaker 1: and Lucas is trying to teach Nathan the fade away
Speaker 1: and they're just these boys. They feel like boys again
Speaker 1: having this experience. And then when you get to Charlotte
Speaker 1: or Raleigh or wherever this place was, wherever we were
Speaker 1: for the deodorant glitter Um, there's gorgeous Myrtle beach there.
Speaker 1: It is gorgeous. We don't know, guys, were just pulling.
Speaker 1: We're pulling rabbits at the hottub was fun, but but
Speaker 1: there's that gorgeous super wide shot. It feels like a
Speaker 1: movie of Lucas and Often walking into that gymnasium and
Speaker 1: you realize it's just these like two young boys up
Speaker 1: against the world and it's touching. That was Those were
Speaker 1: the moments that reminded me of um. What was the
Speaker 1: movie that Mike Tolin and Brian Robbins had done together,
Speaker 1: was they had done a basketball movie before they sold
Speaker 1: this show. It wasn't that the movie. Antoine did coach
Speaker 1: Carter in it, That's right, and it was so it
Speaker 1: was so beautifully shot and those big epic moments of
Speaker 1: you know, somehow it feels magical and intimate and huge
Speaker 1: all at the same time. And they did a great job.
Speaker 1: And there were a lot of shots in this episode
Speaker 1: that reminded me of that vibe, which is what the
Speaker 1: show was sold on. That's what our show was sold on,
Speaker 1: that that vibe, that image. So yeah, we got our shoeback.
Speaker 1: My favorite shot of the entire episode was the hallway
Speaker 1: shot where you see the chaperones go through and make
Speaker 1: sure everyone's in bed and then all the kids out
Speaker 1: of the room, because I full on remember those nights
Speaker 1: going on field trips in high school. I went on
Speaker 1: every field trip, imaginable, student, government, theater, sports, like whatever
Speaker 1: is if I could leave my house, I went on
Speaker 1: that trip. And I loved like hotels and we did.
Speaker 1: We would sneak out. We wouldn't do anything bad. We
Speaker 1: certainly weren't going to strip clubs, but we'd go to
Speaker 1: each other's stuff and it was I remember going on
Speaker 1: a government field trip and like it was when Lifetime
Speaker 1: did If These Walls Could Talk? Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: Do you remember that? It was all that Leslians. It
Speaker 1: was like, you know, the first time then those relationships
Speaker 1: were being profiled on television and I was into it,
Speaker 1: like fascinated. And my I'm sitting in my room. I'm
Speaker 1: in a hotel. We have cable on like I did
Speaker 1: at home, and my sponsors call our hotel room and
Speaker 1: I answered the phone and said hello, and they're like,
Speaker 1: Hillary turned the channel and I was like what, They're like,
Speaker 1: we can hear the sex seats from your room. Oh, sorry, guys, anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Yeah, listen some you got to like go
Speaker 1: out of town and sew your oats. Totally. I loved.
Speaker 1: I also remember us filming that stuff, and I can't
Speaker 1: remember if they had a bullhorn and they would yell,
Speaker 1: or if they had an air horn at the end
Speaker 1: of the hall. They needed a really loud noise to
Speaker 1: get everyone to open the door at the same time.
Speaker 1: And how funny it was when we get it wrong,
Speaker 1: and it was like it was just such a charming
Speaker 1: behind the scenes experience, but to see it on camera,
Speaker 1: because again, you know, for everybody watching along with us.
Speaker 1: We filmed this stuff for hours and hours. So when
Speaker 1: we see it cut together and the comedy is like
Speaker 1: chefs kiss, the timing is perfect, you go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we really did it right, and it's so sweet eat
Speaker 1: to then have this moment where you're like rut row
Speaker 1: and when everybody gets in trouble and Barry is screaming,
Speaker 1: how could you? How am I sopolarious? And you and
Speaker 1: you realize he's not yelling at the team, He's yelling
Speaker 1: at Karen and Larry. H it was I love that
Speaker 1: we kept our basketball players and our cheerleaders for the
Speaker 1: run of the show. Yeah. I thought that was really special.
Speaker 1: I love that that that they really made an effort
Speaker 1: to do that. It was so cool. And this was
Speaker 1: a cool episode two because you know, so many of
Speaker 1: the gals on our squad were our friends, like some
Speaker 1: of the dearest people in our lives. And this was
Speaker 1: the first time with Teresa, you know, getting chicken pox.
Speaker 1: I hated Brook being like, cover up is it? But
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, it's the joke for the chicken pox
Speaker 1: time whatever. It's okay. And there's a lot of Victoria
Speaker 1: in there too, which was kind of fun. To see
Speaker 1: that's true. Oh my god, that complete away with the zair.
Speaker 1: But like seeing her more on camera, seeing Dan yellow
Speaker 1: more with her like that perfectly just shocked face when
Speaker 1: the other girl is mean to us downstairs. Bevin getting
Speaker 1: her first line on camera, it was just so special.
Speaker 1: Remember when they named her Bevan on the call sheet,
Speaker 1: like they like she could only be Bevan, Like give
Speaker 1: her a character name. What was her first line? What
Speaker 1: did she say? It was something snarky to Brook, it
Speaker 1: was about it was it was okay. So when we
Speaker 1: had the rot Bevin's first line, I didn't write down
Speaker 1: what it was. Well, so when we were shot that
Speaker 1: scene on the quad, part of my mortification and all
Speaker 1: of this cheerleading is that my real friends from high
Speaker 1: school visited during this episode. And they came because all
Speaker 1: my friends were still in college and so they came
Speaker 1: during It must have been spring break because this aired
Speaker 1: in April, so they and we only had a couple
Speaker 1: weeks between when we would shoot and when things would air.
Speaker 1: So my girlfriends from high school all came down and
Speaker 1: watched us film that cheerleading practice on the quad, and
Speaker 1: I just reder them, being like, that's not accurate. You know,
Speaker 1: like a little vinchy about it. But that's when like
Speaker 1: Bevin had her first line, and you know, for her,
Speaker 1: that turned into a big storyline. And now you know,
Speaker 1: we can talk. Bevin's got a really successful podcast. Bevin
Speaker 1: runs her own business now. She was doing soul Cycle
Speaker 1: forever and she's got her own business called recess Um,
Speaker 1: which is a fitness program. And she moved to Wilmington's
Speaker 1: after living in New York City for years. Daniella is
Speaker 1: like in London. Is she living in London with her
Speaker 1: twins or something? Daniella is in London with three kids.
Speaker 1: I was at Daniella's wedding. It was an utter dream,
Speaker 1: my favorite. I actually just have to shout out Danielle
Speaker 1: and her sweet husband brand because you guys will remember this.
Speaker 1: When Danielle and Brent started eating, we were all in
Speaker 1: North Carolina and he's English, so he would walk into
Speaker 1: a bar and be like, you know, in his cute accent,
Speaker 1: like oh hello, and people were like, wow, where are
Speaker 1: you from? And then they moved to London and everyone
Speaker 1: is British and dan Yellow walks into a bar and goes, hey,
Speaker 1: y'all are like, oh my, and he was like oh,
Speaker 1: I've done myself a terrible disservice. The thing that made
Speaker 1: me feel cool makes my wife katnip to everyone in London.
Speaker 1: And it's just it's the cutest role reversal. And they
Speaker 1: are just the most delightful, wonderful couple and their kids
Speaker 1: are unbelievable and it's like, yeah, man, we were all
Speaker 1: just a bunch of kids pretending to be cheerleaders and
Speaker 1: now we're grown ups with careers. Who knew so Brett
Speaker 1: clay Well and Sarah Edwards who played Teresa. So Tim
Speaker 1: and Sarah were dating in real life when we were
Speaker 1: doing this, and so that was a fun thing because
Speaker 1: they were like the home town kids and they he
Speaker 1: wants to give us tours. And I remember like going
Speaker 1: around on Halloween with Sarah. She was just like a
Speaker 1: police officer. She was the hottest thing in town, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, my shorts could not have been shorter.
Speaker 1: But she was a smoke show. And so I think
Speaker 1: that's why they felt so comfortable making fun of her
Speaker 1: in this episode, because she clearly knew that she was
Speaker 1: a babe. Well she's a heartbreakingly pretty and then she's
Speaker 1: like she's like okay, yeah, you can put stuff all
Speaker 1: over my face. It's fine. Most of us were like, Wow,
Speaker 1: what must it be like to feel that confident? Cool?
Speaker 1: That's cool. But she's a mom now too, she just
Speaker 1: had babies. It's fun to keep up with everybody and
Speaker 1: see our evolution and know that we were all punk
Speaker 1: kids together, you know, pretending to be high schoolers forever,
Speaker 1: and now we're mom forever. That's what we do now,
Speaker 1: I will say, speaking of confidence, I loved I loved
Speaker 1: when we were having that sweet mom went in the
Speaker 1: hot tub in the pool and Hailey walks out for
Speaker 1: the first time in the tree hill Ravens cheerleading costume,
Speaker 1: and Brooks says, tutor, girl, you look bitchen bitching. And
Speaker 1: Haley doesn't shy away or make it back girls like
Speaker 1: in the Amy Schumer skit, like the girls are like,
Speaker 1: oh this no. Haley is like, yeah, I kind of do,
Speaker 1: don't on And I was like, own it, own it,
Speaker 1: own it. It was so nice. It was so fun
Speaker 1: to put on a cheerleading uniform and feel like I
Speaker 1: was part of the group, you know, and feel like
Speaker 1: just I don't know, I mean, I Haley was not
Speaker 1: supposed to be a cheerleader. She was like something else.
Speaker 1: And so to be able to play with you guys
Speaker 1: for a little bit and do that, I thought that
Speaker 1: was really fun. It was it was new and I
Speaker 1: to get dressed up and put my hair in a
Speaker 1: ponytail and you know, a little like fake eyelashes, and
Speaker 1: it was fun. I loved that joy. Did it make
Speaker 1: a difference in how you felt on set once you
Speaker 1: joined the squad because you got to sit in the
Speaker 1: features with Craig which was also pleasing also fun? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah it did. I mean, I think I think
Speaker 1: I've always been very uncomfortable most of the time in life. Always,
Speaker 1: so I'm like, only just about five years ago I
Speaker 1: started turning a corner and being like, wait, I don't
Speaker 1: give um you know. So I think no matter where
Speaker 1: I was, there was always an element of being uncomfortable
Speaker 1: and over analyzing and all that. But I had fun,
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think being able to feel like I
Speaker 1: was part of the popular kid's crew a little bit more,
Speaker 1: and you know, hanging out with all of you guys
Speaker 1: and um, being able to stay stay after be a
Speaker 1: part of the cheer rehearsal. So I didn't feel like
Speaker 1: I was missing out on something you all got together.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, now I know, but you know, then it
Speaker 1: was like, oh man, they get to bond because there
Speaker 1: they have all they have their cheer rehearsals and they
Speaker 1: have this little club, and so that was kind of
Speaker 1: that was fun to be able to be a part
Speaker 1: of that. I thought it was also cool for the
Speaker 1: storyline too. I liked showing that Haley, you know, the
Speaker 1: Haley feeling torn between her friendship with Lucas and making
Speaker 1: sure that she was making time for her boyfriend. And
Speaker 1: that was to adult, you mean, like, this is how
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Lucas was fantastic. Yes, And you know
Speaker 1: what else I loved about it, Haley saying to him,
Speaker 1: I don't spend more time with Nathan and you spent
Speaker 1: with Brooke, Like she without saying it, she calls him
Speaker 1: on his basics standard. Yeah, the double standard of him
Speaker 1: saying you're not allowed to change, but I am. And
Speaker 1: she's like, that's not cool. You did this, I'm doing this.
Speaker 1: We're growing up. And in a way, her saying that
Speaker 1: kind of diffuses the whole thing. And then by the
Speaker 1: end of the episode, everyone's being friends. It's such a
Speaker 1: it's such a phenomenal way to like let the air
Speaker 1: out of the balloon, and and and you did it
Speaker 1: so tenderly, but with a with a boundary. She's really
Speaker 1: owning her She's owning her journey, which I loved about her.
Speaker 1: I loved that she was unabashably like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's nerve racking, it's scary. I'm not sure how to
Speaker 1: do this. I don't I don't want to hurt anybody.
Speaker 1: I don't. You know, we're both stepping into this thing
Speaker 1: where we used to be kind of the losers on
Speaker 1: the outskirts, and now we're both in with the popular
Speaker 1: kids and trying to find our way. And there's drama,
Speaker 1: and but she owned her journey and it. She didn't
Speaker 1: make apologies for herself. She didn't try and please everybody.
Speaker 1: She just was like, I'm I'm just going one day
Speaker 1: at a time and this is where I am, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm owning it. Yeah. I love that. I have
Speaker 1: a theory. I think that Haley is a time traveler
Speaker 1: and is actually from the future because she's person who
Speaker 1: is exhibiting values what you are richeld Mike Adams and
Speaker 1: then time travel. Oh god, I love it. You're a
Speaker 1: time traveler. That's the only thing one who was missing
Speaker 1: time travel. Honestly, we jumped. We jumped every single shark,
Speaker 1: but a time machine. So that would have been the
Speaker 1: most amazing final episode. By the way, we all climb
Speaker 1: into a DeLorean. That's why Peyton didn't come to brook
Speaker 1: S wedding. She was time traveling, guys. She was like
Speaker 1: a Bill and ted we need a reboot special just
Speaker 1: for this, just to time travel. Why not get it's
Speaker 1: so good? Wait wait, but comedy aside. I actually do
Speaker 1: have to say, watching this, I wish we'd had time
Speaker 1: to watch the episodes when they were airing, because we
Speaker 1: never got to see them. Were on Tuesdays at eight pm.
Speaker 1: We were like working, we were working. But I in
Speaker 1: watching Hayley assert herself and owned she deserves to have
Speaker 1: experiences of trial and error. I'm like, oh, man, if
Speaker 1: anybody had taught me that when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: that would have been cool. But would we have listened.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's part of youth. That's why youth has
Speaker 1: wasted on the young, right, Like if we had known.
Speaker 1: But even if we had known, would we have listened?
Speaker 1: Because I sure has Hell, no, I got a lot
Speaker 1: of advice that I never listened to and wish I had,
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I didn't want to listen, you know,
Speaker 1: so I think that's part of the day. Haley is
Speaker 1: described by Lucas and this is like the part where
Speaker 1: we're all like that guy. He's like, she used to
Speaker 1: be totally original, Haley, when the heck, like the heck
Speaker 1: you used to be totally original, Lucas, you big Lucas.
Speaker 1: All I hear is she used to only talk to you,
Speaker 1: and now she talks to other people. And you don't
Speaker 1: like he's feeling a little egg. Boys do that, right,
Speaker 1: feel they feel extra territorial. You know who doesn't do that?
Speaker 1: Jake Jagelski. If if Jake Chigelski could walk on water,
Speaker 1: I think that would be in one tree hill. We,
Speaker 1: like I said, we've jumped every other shark. Okay, time
Speaker 1: travel walking on water. We we have to keep a
Speaker 1: list for what might come someday. Is Um the person
Speaker 1: who's allowed to be perfect? Do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: there are no flaws with Jagelski, which can be irritating. Um.
Speaker 1: He's he'll be a bit of a martyr. In season
Speaker 1: three when he tells Peyton to go back with Lucas,
Speaker 1: which is super frustrating. Um, but for right now, the
Speaker 1: fact that he's like next door to the girls and
Speaker 1: the door opens up and he's like not a threat
Speaker 1: at all. It's like it's next door. You're so fun,
Speaker 1: you know, And he's no talking about his ex who
Speaker 1: just showed up on his doorstep in the last episode.
Speaker 1: How did we not open the episode with that moment
Speaker 1: that's so crazy that he doesn't want to tell any
Speaker 1: of us. Yeah, he's not a talker. I think maybe
Speaker 1: he's a time traveler too. Yeah, I know, Nicki's a secret,
Speaker 1: but I just I don't know. It was such a
Speaker 1: good cliffhanger that to open the episode and not be
Speaker 1: right back. There was no deodor written. That's just sparkle pits.
Speaker 1: Sparkle Pits, sparkle pits. Oh my gosh, that's the name
Speaker 1: of this podcast episode. Yes, you're welcome. Actually, there's a
Speaker 1: moment in this whole cheerleading storyline which feels really important
Speaker 1: to call out for our fans and listeners because it
Speaker 1: made us cackle. There's a lot of very great comedy
Speaker 1: and I will say again shows back on track and
Speaker 1: I know I keep repeating it, but I'm excited. Get
Speaker 1: over it. Um. The writers gave like a lot of
Speaker 1: good comedy, and I feel lucky, like as Brooke, I
Speaker 1: got a lot of good comedy in this episode. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of like her. It's it's her anxiety. It's
Speaker 1: like we gotta witness. We're gonna go Tanya Harding. It's
Speaker 1: like she's son. It's so ridiculous, but it's so charming,
Speaker 1: and and the comedy was great. And then there is
Speaker 1: a moment that is clearly written for comedy, but it's
Speaker 1: ridiculous because Peyton brings Haley in and it's like she's
Speaker 1: going to fill in, and it's like this isn't gonna work.
Speaker 1: And then it's like we're gonna stay up all night.
Speaker 1: We need black coffee. Sleep is our enemy. Tutor girl,
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to do something about that hair. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, right, and the three of us started cackling
Speaker 1: because in this episode, out of maybe any episode ever,
Speaker 1: Joy and I have the exact same hair. You guys,
Speaker 1: it is it is the same color, it is the same,
Speaker 1: it is in a straight, full blow out, the same
Speaker 1: We gotta do something about that hair and clearly mine
Speaker 1: also like ridiculous. I love it. I love this about
Speaker 1: Brooke get away with it. Brooke could be the one
Speaker 1: who could be totally wild and irrational and crazy, but
Speaker 1: you still loved her because you saw the little girl
Speaker 1: in her and that was so endearing, and you know,
Speaker 1: you always it was like your best friend who's like
Speaker 1: over dramatic and wild and crazy, but you still love
Speaker 1: her because you see you see the little girl in
Speaker 1: her that you just love so much, and and that
Speaker 1: that never goes away. You know, the wonder that's in her,
Speaker 1: that that never goes away. So even when she's barking
Speaker 1: at people and being you know, snide and whatever, in
Speaker 1: the next moment, she can turn around and smile and
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, I don't know why it
Speaker 1: makes so crazy today. I'm sorry, I love you, okay,
Speaker 1: but yeah, oh I god, that's exactly. And I think
Speaker 1: because some of it, like on the page, it's like, Hayley,
Speaker 1: we have to fix your hair, and then we're standing
Speaker 1: there and we have the same hair. So I think
Speaker 1: inadvertently I wish I'd have played that. I wish we
Speaker 1: had been able to look at each other like but
Speaker 1: it like the ridiculousness of what they would write that
Speaker 1: wasn't real. I think gave me, as a performer, the
Speaker 1: space to lean into, like, I gotta make this endearing
Speaker 1: because it's utterly ridiculous your pop talk right before the competition,
Speaker 1: where you're like Teresa's last words to us, where this
Speaker 1: sucks and this will suck if we lose, like it's perfect,
Speaker 1: it's perfect, because it's not. Guys, we have to do
Speaker 1: this for Teresa. Oh my god, oh my god. And
Speaker 1: it did suck, I promise, yeah, you guys. We didn't
Speaker 1: even get Sparkle deodorant like gifted to us, No, because
Speaker 1: because our dance sucked. Joy. Maybe if we danced a
Speaker 1: little harder, we would have gotten some Sparkle pits. We
Speaker 1: would have gotten some gift bags. They were like, send
Speaker 1: them home, don't give them still naked? Is this something
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to google right now? Are we gonna
Speaker 1: have to buy it on eBay? I do not want
Speaker 1: fifteen or eighteen year old deodorant. That is not I
Speaker 1: would like to put one stick in a shadow box
Speaker 1: frame next to my teeny tiny cut out of Paul
Speaker 1: Johansson as dance trigger treat um. Gross what I also
Speaker 1: noticed in this episode, which felt like a chick did
Speaker 1: not write, um is it Brooke and Peyton or at
Speaker 1: odds like crazy at odds And the last episode was
Speaker 1: like I hate your face, I'm not your friend, don't
Speaker 1: look at me. And even though she still hates me,
Speaker 1: we still have to be in all the same shots
Speaker 1: together and so like we're next to we like I'm
Speaker 1: literally on top of you, hovering like a psychopath, just
Speaker 1: like but you will, you know, like street stalking you.
Speaker 1: But that's what you say at the end, and actually
Speaker 1: I thought, maybe maybe that makes up for it. The
Speaker 1: thing you're talking about now that I think about it
Speaker 1: is creepy. But I like what they wrote, which was
Speaker 1: when I said, it's essentially the calm down right, Like, look,
Speaker 1: it was fun to have something to focus on. But
Speaker 1: you did this horrible thing and we're not friends. And
Speaker 1: I thought that line was so simple and so poignant,
Speaker 1: and the way you delivered it was so beautiful. And
Speaker 1: you just said, look, maybe you're not my friend, but
Speaker 1: I'm your friend and I'm going to prove it to you.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, it's great. Oh so many
Speaker 1: people have wanted to hear that from people they've loved
Speaker 1: and been hurt by and probably haven't and I I
Speaker 1: loved that moment. I like that moment. It's you know,
Speaker 1: the Brooke Payton relation and ship is so complex, and
Speaker 1: so I like when they give us those little just
Speaker 1: really simple moments, you know, like if another teenager said that,
Speaker 1: when teenagers say vulnerable things like that, that's a risk
Speaker 1: that big deal, And so our show doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be about like I'm in the hospital and I almost died,
Speaker 1: Like those little moments in parking lots are just as important.
Speaker 1: And so I I really liked that scene, and I
Speaker 1: like the Brooke Peyton journey. Do you guys want to
Speaker 1: talk about some gossip? Yeah, I love gossip. What's the gossip? Well,
Speaker 1: the gossip is that, um well, as you know, and
Speaker 1: you wouldn't bring it up because it's up to me
Speaker 1: to bring it up. But I was dating somewhere while
Speaker 1: we were someone from Wilmington's while we were filming this episode,
Speaker 1: and um, without with I don't think I was engaged yet,
Speaker 1: was that No, I think we were on the way
Speaker 1: and we didn't like that guy. We didn't like it,
Speaker 1: and I know we made a signal to be like
Speaker 1: are we talking about this? But you're talking about it,
Speaker 1: We're in I'm talking about I mean, I didn't repect
Speaker 1: to me to bring up but that's what I mostly
Speaker 1: remember from behind the scenes of this of this you know,
Speaker 1: Sparkle Classic or whatever, this trip, because um, I think
Speaker 1: he worked a lot in Myrtle Beach or something. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it came down to hang out. But like I never
Speaker 1: heard the behind the scenes, like what how you guys
Speaker 1: all felt about her, what you all thought, because I
Speaker 1: was like isolating myself, so I didn't I don't know
Speaker 1: what happened and how like dating him, like you were
Speaker 1: in the throes of romance, and all I remember is
Speaker 1: this dude showing up and coming to our hair and
Speaker 1: makeup trailer and all of us looking at each other
Speaker 1: like who's this guy? Because he he was very territorial
Speaker 1: out of the gates and we were like, who is this?
Speaker 1: She's ours, Like this is our person and we haven't
Speaker 1: vetted you and we don't know. Yeah, And I don't
Speaker 1: know why I was like, come on in the hair
Speaker 1: and makeup to I mean, I had been around this
Speaker 1: business long enough to know that you don't like have
Speaker 1: your friends and family just come hang out in the trailer.
Speaker 1: Usually want us to rip them apart. Maybe maybe in
Speaker 1: the back of your mind you wanted us to interview.
Speaker 1: Maybe I did. And obviously I don't want to disparage anyone.
Speaker 1: He was a sweet guy, a good dude. He was
Speaker 1: handsome and successful and you know it was there was
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with him. It was just that we were
Speaker 1: not the right match. Like we were very different places
Speaker 1: in our journey, you know, and so it didn't work out,
Speaker 1: and that was as it should be. But I do
Speaker 1: know that everybody kind of was how didn't have a
Speaker 1: great vibe and was like a little concerned uniform. You
Speaker 1: don't have to be with him, I just do it.
Speaker 1: I know. It's so weird. Hillary, this gave us a
Speaker 1: bridge because you didn't like what was happening in my
Speaker 1: person didn't. Shure didn't and this us both hating Joy's boyfriend.
Speaker 1: That's right, so we can tell us the bridge and
Speaker 1: and suddenly you were like, yeah, you know, how to
Speaker 1: spot a bad situation? Was like maybe, and we were
Speaker 1: we were like trying to swim back towards each other,
Speaker 1: and this was this was kind of our anyway. I'm
Speaker 1: so glad that I could be a bridge s treaker. Listen,
Speaker 1: I and my bad choices to having firm opinions about
Speaker 1: things and my firm opinions about You've never been wrong.
Speaker 1: My firm opinions about Sophia's relationship and my firm opinion
Speaker 1: about Joy's relationship maybe didn't make me the nicest person
Speaker 1: to be around, and so I apologize for that. But
Speaker 1: I also am glad that I pushed back a little
Speaker 1: bit because you both deserved better. I love you. That's
Speaker 1: what you want your girlfriends for, you know, people to say,
Speaker 1: you know, what I will say is that when you're
Speaker 1: young and you're new, and you've like just hatched and
Speaker 1: you have good behind your ears, you don't know like
Speaker 1: you're you're either like a duckling or a bull in
Speaker 1: a china shop. You don't know how to communicate. And
Speaker 1: for the tumult and the like good and the bad
Speaker 1: of trying to messily advocate for each other, what I
Speaker 1: like is that even when we couldn't hear it, when
Speaker 1: we were babies, we we always trusted each other. Even
Speaker 1: if we were mad, there was love and we always
Speaker 1: trusted each other. And so it's not lost on any
Speaker 1: of us that now after all these years, like the
Speaker 1: first person any of us calls when we have any
Speaker 1: to talk about our life is each other. Because it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you saw the dumbest thing I ever did You go
Speaker 1: to that bad Remember that time I almost destroyed my life?
Speaker 1: You guys are there. Let us you lessen to you
Speaker 1: out there. You know, as a young person, if all
Speaker 1: your friends are you know, a good chunk of your
Speaker 1: friends have red flags about your relationship. Please listen, Please
Speaker 1: take it seriously that the other person the relationship is
Speaker 1: like the worst or you know, evil or anything. It
Speaker 1: just means it's like it might not be right. You
Speaker 1: just means it's not for you. Because here's what I'll say.
Speaker 1: There is There really is. And I don't mean this
Speaker 1: to be hyperbolic or saccharin or any of it. There
Speaker 1: is somebody for everybody. Sometimes when you're young, you're you're
Speaker 1: not as a tuned to the specificities of your puzzle
Speaker 1: pieces yet, so you really you're like, this almost fits it,
Speaker 1: it's close, and it's like it's actually not close. If
Speaker 1: it doesn't fit, it's really not it's a terrible idea.
Speaker 1: Houses that don't fit together fall down. It's not to
Speaker 1: say you're never going to argue, You're never going to
Speaker 1: have things to work out. I mean you are. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of things, you know, when you partner
Speaker 1: up with somebody, you're meant to be kind of clashing
Speaker 1: up against each other in order to make each other
Speaker 1: better people. And that's part of the journey of a relationship. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: to go. So it doesn't mean that there should never
Speaker 1: be a fight. Actually, I think if you're not fighting ever,
Speaker 1: you probably have a huge problem in your relationship. You're
Speaker 1: sleeping with other people. Yeah, something's going on. If you've
Speaker 1: never had an argument, one or both of you might
Speaker 1: be a serial killer. But yes, I agree. I agree
Speaker 1: with what you're saying. This whole friend that tells you
Speaker 1: I don't like your relationship do it because they love you.
Speaker 1: And you know what's funny, it brings me to the
Speaker 1: circle back of these relationships, these friendships that are being
Speaker 1: pressure tested. Hayley standing up for herself and saying I
Speaker 1: deserve to grow to Lucas is a big deal. And
Speaker 1: Brooke leaning into you know, a decade and a half
Speaker 1: of best friendship with Peyton and then saying I'm still
Speaker 1: not ready to forgive you it's actually I mean we
Speaker 1: said this in the last episode, like why have we
Speaker 1: not seen Brooke crying about what happened her? And it's
Speaker 1: at the end of this episode. Those photos beautiful shot
Speaker 1: with the mirror from the chandelier and those photos of
Speaker 1: beautifully another great shot. I mean, how gorgeously set up
Speaker 1: was that. Yes, I was so happy to see Brooke
Speaker 1: finally letting her guard down by herself and just letting
Speaker 1: it out. Broke my heart. It was so beautiful. And
Speaker 1: it's interesting, you know when we get into this one.
Speaker 1: Dwayne Clark directed this so beautifully for you guys at home,
Speaker 1: I don't know the children listening. Dick Clark is Dwayne
Speaker 1: Clark's dad, Dick Clark of like, you know, American band
Speaker 1: stand That's right. I forgot about that. And so he
Speaker 1: comes from like legendary pop culture and I think he
Speaker 1: probably had a really good understanding of pop culture. And
Speaker 1: and that's what our show was. It was like, how
Speaker 1: did teenagers communicate with each other? How do they communicate
Speaker 1: with music? How do they communicate in their like high
Speaker 1: school setting. His entire family lineage was you know, based
Speaker 1: in that it was their family business. Yeah, so that
Speaker 1: that inherent just understanding of how to communicate not just
Speaker 1: what's on the page, but more. I thought it was
Speaker 1: so beautiful and and there's this ending that again feels
Speaker 1: like what we did best. Where we go from this
Speaker 1: moment of Keith coming in and seeing Karen and Larry
Speaker 1: are going, oh maybe I've been replaced of Haley, painful
Speaker 1: of of you know, Brooke, Peyton, Lucas, Haley, Nathan, all
Speaker 1: of them in the parking lot like the Core five
Speaker 1: having this experience, Brooke going home, having her her tears.
Speaker 1: Luke is taking the court again at Nathan's advice, by
Speaker 1: the way to push through the pain to start training.
Speaker 1: And then Nathan gets the apartment. The the is capitalized.
Speaker 1: Nathan gets the apartment where where so many things take
Speaker 1: place over the years to come. You guys, did you
Speaker 1: know anybody growing up that lived on their own? I did, Well,
Speaker 1: you lived on her own? She was like, that's what
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm own apartment when I was a senior.
Speaker 1: Freezy like, how did that happen? Well, she was on
Speaker 1: a TV show. Yeah, I was in a series. I mean, financially,
Speaker 1: that's how that happened. Didn't you have to move to
Speaker 1: New York though to do your series. Um, it was
Speaker 1: a soap and I the first year I did, my
Speaker 1: mom was terrified for me to have my own apartment.
Speaker 1: So I ended up living in my own place in
Speaker 1: Hackensack instead of moving to New York City, which was
Speaker 1: the biggest mistake I could have made, because cons the
Speaker 1: commune was bad. But also I was so isolated out there.
Speaker 1: I didn't you know, I didn't have a bunch of
Speaker 1: friends in Hackensack, New Jersey. I had friends in my
Speaker 1: hometown that I was in, and then I had friends
Speaker 1: in the city. And she was just afraid of me
Speaker 1: being in New York. And you know, I was seventeen
Speaker 1: and whatever. You know. You listen to your mom, joy
Speaker 1: you sound like an old timey character. Well, I didn't
Speaker 1: have a bunch of friends in Hackensack. If there's anybody
Speaker 1: in Hackensack that wants to be friends with Jorian's not
Speaker 1: too late, you're like, But I did go to Paramus
Speaker 1: and shot at the outlets. I love those outlets, by
Speaker 1: the way, anybody in Paramus, I love it. I love
Speaker 1: New Jersey and I loved Hackensack. But I should have
Speaker 1: had an apartment in New York City. Which I had
Speaker 1: eventually did the next year, I moved to New York.
Speaker 1: But why were we talking about that? Oh? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's so I was commuting. I was commuting back and forth.
Speaker 1: But I was the only person I knew that did that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't know any of high schoolers that
Speaker 1: was on their own, like like Brooke apparently does, even
Speaker 1: though we've never seen her family in Payton, certainly does it.
Speaker 1: And now Nathan, the one person had two parents on
Speaker 1: his own, he's like, bye, I feel like we have
Speaker 1: a lot of things to talk about that perhaps we
Speaker 1: should do after we close this podcast over a glass
Speaker 1: of wine. But we have some listener questions, and we
Speaker 1: have a question from daniel that actually just made me
Speaker 1: giggle hard because it's I feel attacked but also seen. Um.
Speaker 1: Danielle says, with this podcast, we've found out that Peyton
Speaker 1: can't really draw. Shut up, Yes I can. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know why anybody said this because I didn't draw
Speaker 1: those pigs. Oh that's what it is. Okay, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna edit Danielle's question. In this podcast, we found out
Speaker 1: Peyton didn't do her own drawings and that Hailey would
Speaker 1: be a bad tutor. Yeah, because remember I was saying,
Speaker 1: I like I don't have the patience and like math
Speaker 1: is would not be tutor you in history or English
Speaker 1: or spelling. A punctuation tutor, I think is important these days.
Speaker 1: If you're ether, then on Twitter. But that's a separate conversation.
Speaker 1: You're you're they're there, Um, Danielle says our Brooks sewing
Speaker 1: skills reeled Sophia know how to sew. I don't know
Speaker 1: the answer to this either, do Joy and Hillary? Guys,
Speaker 1: all I want is to know how to sew, and
Speaker 1: I don't know how. Maybe we can teach you. We
Speaker 1: can teach you. However, I am the kind of person
Speaker 1: who will try something on and go. This would be great.
Speaker 1: If this needs to be taken in, this needs to
Speaker 1: be handed to sleep should be the like I can design.
Speaker 1: I love design. I can't sew or draw past a
Speaker 1: stick figure at all. So no no project runway for you.
Speaker 1: I've seen you draw ish. I think you're being very
Speaker 1: nice handwriting, that's kind of that's like drawing words, yes,
Speaker 1: also very you can draw words shapes. You Know. What
Speaker 1: I will say is I'm very good at spatial math,
Speaker 1: like trigonometry. If you need a person to joy trigonometry, trigonometry, geometry,
Speaker 1: spatial math. I can pack a suitcase, I'll get twice
Speaker 1: as much in it as any other person. I can
Speaker 1: unpack and organize a house for you. I have a
Speaker 1: girlfriend who I was doing a job with, who was
Speaker 1: very pregnant and miserably sick and moving. Her and her
Speaker 1: husband were moving, and that sweet angel that she's married
Speaker 1: to was working for a stint in New York at
Speaker 1: the time. Hacked this woman's whole house. Well, you also
Speaker 1: have thirty seven other jobs. Yeah, you did, you did.
Speaker 1: I packed up their whole apartment, and then every night
Speaker 1: after work, for three hours every day until it was done.
Speaker 1: I would go over to their new apartment and I
Speaker 1: would and I would say, do you like this bowl here?
Speaker 1: And she would a bit on the couch with a
Speaker 1: bucket to barfin and eventually she would pass out, and
Speaker 1: I would just be like, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep going. And I unpacked their entire apartment. How all
Speaker 1: of their art I organized, like their light bulbs and
Speaker 1: little tupperware containers on the shelf. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: who am spatial math? Brooke Davis is Rachel I'm kind
Speaker 1: of if you put Rachel on Monica in a blender,
Speaker 1: that's me. I don't know what to say about it.
Speaker 1: I remember going to your house and seeing like things
Speaker 1: in shadow boxes and like framed really nicely. When I
Speaker 1: would just like nail to my wall and I was like, oh, sop,
Speaker 1: does this like nice? That's another level. I just went,
Speaker 1: this is how you know that I'm a crazy person.
Speaker 1: The last day in l A. I had one day
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles before I moved to Canada for six months.
Speaker 1: I took four years worth of stuff that had been
Speaker 1: accumulating in a bay in in my garage that needed
Speaker 1: to be framed to the framer. Of course you did.
Speaker 1: And I was like, obviously this is what I should
Speaker 1: do on my last day in l A. Because I
Speaker 1: said to the lady, you have six months, I have
Speaker 1: no rush. You just frame all this whenever I haven't
Speaker 1: had time. Here. We are here, we are, we had
Speaker 1: a great day together. Anything like. I remember being so
Speaker 1: impressed seen you had vintage bathing suits framed in your
Speaker 1: house that I was like, oh, that's really cool. If
Speaker 1: you could sew anything, what would you sew? Like, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you are so I love a suit. I would love
Speaker 1: to be able. I want to be able to like
Speaker 1: cuff a jacket, him a pant. I need a lesson, Joy,
Speaker 1: I need a lesson. We can help you. A treasurer
Speaker 1: of Future Homemakers of America at Sterley Middle School in
Speaker 1: five Hilary Burton, you only get cuter to me. It's
Speaker 1: so true, I'm gonna fight. Did they have Future Homemakers
Speaker 1: of America in California or New Jersey? Or is that
Speaker 1: just like a southern thing. I've definitely heard about New Jersey. Yes,
Speaker 1: I did. Four h I did like the full blown
Speaker 1: agriculture because I was in California, so they were like,
Speaker 1: learned to grow vegetables. They didn't care if we learned
Speaker 1: how to stitch anything. We got you. Maybe we just
Speaker 1: need a special live event just to learn how to sell.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine we're going to dress in old timey
Speaker 1: dresses with bustles and high colors. Cameo pins so good?
Speaker 1: I love it, cameo wait what if on our next
Speaker 1: drama Queens Live, we dress up in old timey clothes
Speaker 1: and we learned how to make pajamas jama down because
Speaker 1: on our first one we did pajamas. Guys, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying we have a theme here and we should stick
Speaker 1: to I'm gonna crochet a neckline. Don't worry, all right, Danielle,
Speaker 1: thanks for your gripin spin spin a wheel. We're gonna
Speaker 1: spin are most likely too? What do we got? Oh
Speaker 1: Man become president? President of what? Most? I need to
Speaker 1: become president? But like of what of what? Well? I mean,
Speaker 1: if we're saying the president, who is most likely to
Speaker 1: become the president? I guess future homemakers of America? I
Speaker 1: called DIBs. However, Yeah, who in the show was government minded?
Speaker 1: I know what would it be? Lisa? What was her
Speaker 1: characters name Millie? I don't know was she in No?
Speaker 1: I feel like it's g g oh, yeah, that's interesting
Speaker 1: on the show. I feel like it's also again mouth,
Speaker 1: I mean, why does he fit every category? He really does?
Speaker 1: He's perfect. Mouth is really the answer if all else fails,
Speaker 1: the ANSWER's mouth? What about well Lindsay. Lindsey was like, um,
Speaker 1: you know, like a book editor published, you know, she
Speaker 1: worked for like a but she was certainly the most
Speaker 1: adult and like together character that we'd had. Why do
Speaker 1: I feel like though Lindsay would become like the president
Speaker 1: of the Guggenheim Museum. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, yeah, she would be the
Speaker 1: chic director of an art institute. She was sophisticated and
Speaker 1: smart and savvy and like new and walk away and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: just she was a grown up. What about Dan? Oh Christ,
Speaker 1: do we really need a Dan president? I mean, we've
Speaker 1: had one. I think we could. I just feel like
Speaker 1: it's possible. I feel like it's possible. It's all I'm saying,
Speaker 1: It is possible. Yeah, guys, I'm gonna I'm gonna finish
Speaker 1: my pad tie and my wine. Sorry, I've been eating
Speaker 1: this whole time. But this has been real fun and
Speaker 1: we're so glad that you joined us. All. Yeah, thanks
Speaker 1: for having dinner with us. Um it's been an ed
Speaker 1: a mommy night for me. Friends. Uh but yeah, what
Speaker 1: do we have next week? What do we got eighteen
Speaker 1: to wish? Impossible things? Dreams? Impossible dream I actually don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know either, because that was such a standalone episode.
Speaker 1: Where are we going? This episode didn't tease anything. It
Speaker 1: was episode. Yeah, we're unresolved with Nicki and Jake. We're
Speaker 1: still a little wishy Washy on Weather, Lucas and Nathan
Speaker 1: are actually friends with each other or not. Um Peyton
Speaker 1: and Brooks friendship is still up in the air. It
Speaker 1: hangs in the bottom. And Nathan's got an apartment which
Speaker 1: for sure he's gonna throw a party in at some
Speaker 1: point soon. Oh, I know what's going to happen. I
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. I do. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to ruin it, but you guys, you're gonna like it.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. Watch the episode and tune in with
Speaker 1: us next week. When I tell you I have no idea,
Speaker 1: it's like he was on this show. I'm all right.
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