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Speaker 1: Don't Be a Victim, Fighting back against America's crime Wave,

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Speaker 1: fighter Nancy Grace. Wow, that was some intro. I'm very flattered,

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Speaker 1: thank you for inviting me. Well, thank you for coming

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Speaker 1: stand it. And other mothers and fathers feel the same way.

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Speaker 1: And when I write each one of these stories, I

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Speaker 1: can't help it. I think about them, and that is

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Speaker 1: what I would this book. Even writing it got me

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Speaker 1: so upset. I remembered all these parents, all these families,

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Speaker 1: all these victims, families that I would talk to over

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Speaker 1: the course of this time, and it really, really brought

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Speaker 1: my heart, but I know it's a story that has

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Speaker 1: to be told. You know, here's the fifth of stat

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Speaker 1: that came out of me. You know, you you know

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Speaker 1: the thing about this book is it has it filled

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Speaker 1: with so many stads, so many pointed stories, so many

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Speaker 1: relatible information. I was just going to share some of

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Speaker 1: the things, but she comes out of the very top

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Speaker 1: in the chapter how do I Protect my child? Nearly

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Speaker 1: child kidnappings are related to schools, bus stops, and school routes.

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Speaker 1: That were scared me because reaching to scared me because

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Speaker 1: the fact that when you're when your childhood school, you

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Speaker 1: feel your childhood school. Uh, your child going to the

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Speaker 1: bus stop, you could have walked your child to the

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Speaker 1: bus stop. I've been I've been there to walk to

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Speaker 1: your child from the bus stop. And seeing your child

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Speaker 1: go to on a school route the same thing. So

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Speaker 1: these things right here the frustrating part of about it.

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Speaker 1: They can leave a parent if they become a victim,

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Speaker 1: into a long series of what else? And that's the

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Speaker 1: tragic part about these timelines. Correct, Oh, it really is.

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you how up into the twins school?

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Speaker 1: I am, I take them I take them up, Uh

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Speaker 1: drive through there at different times of the day, throughout

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Speaker 1: the week, out in the car and about Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: I am all up in it. I know exactly where

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Speaker 1: their classes are, which window goes to them, the works.

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Speaker 1: I know it may sound a little bit overboard to

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, but after doing what I do

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Speaker 1: from my whole legal career, it's the least I can

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Speaker 1: do to try to keep tabs on them and keep

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Speaker 1: them safe. Well, you know, I wanted just that's why

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Speaker 1: I wanted to bring the book into the frame and say,

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Speaker 1: because you said doing what you do this book, because

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Speaker 1: you know, this book is about every for everybody, every regular,

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Speaker 1: every parent or anybody who's not a parent, If you

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Speaker 1: live in a teenage life, who going to college, if

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Speaker 1: you you're a young person who's about to start their

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Speaker 1: professional life, this book has a section in it that

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Speaker 1: you should read. That's how important this book is. And

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Speaker 1: more importantly about this book is that she shines a

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Speaker 1: light on don't create conference zone for yourself. Or you

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Speaker 1: feel it's all right, you can drop your guard because

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Speaker 1: she mentions, you know, especially in kids, where attack can

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Speaker 1: happen in brand name places like McDonald's, not like Chick

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Speaker 1: fil a, not that she's trying to shine a negative

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Speaker 1: light on it. She's just letting you know that in

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Speaker 1: this world that we live in, you cannot be comfortable,

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Speaker 1: especially with your children, especially with yourself. When you at

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Speaker 1: a fancy, high faluting mall and you think, hey, crime,

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Speaker 1: it never happened over here. Well, you don't want to

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Speaker 1: be the person that the crime happens to because you

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Speaker 1: decided to drop your car. That was a story that

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Speaker 1: you resonated throughout the each page, and it came across

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Speaker 1: very loud and clear, and I and I wanted to

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Speaker 1: thank you for doing that because that was important to me,

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Speaker 1: because I said, let me, let me, let me look

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Speaker 1: reel and that read about the little girl Nicole, the

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Speaker 1: little track storeboard David Eisenhower. I went, wow, these stories

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Speaker 1: what you're talking about? She was just keep keep keep,

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Speaker 1: and she had lifted so much statistically medically she shouldn't lift.

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Speaker 1: She did. And then just as she's turning into a

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Speaker 1: team everything's going good, she meets up with I believe

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Speaker 1: the same was doctor death online. Yes named David Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Nalie Capers his girlfriend, and um, she thought she

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Speaker 1: the little girl thought she had a boyfriend. And this

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Speaker 1: was a grown man in college and he did not

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Speaker 1: want anyone to find out about this sex relationship. So

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Speaker 1: he killed a little girl. He killed her, and that's it.

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Speaker 1: And then you didn't agree. Now that's the chapter where

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Speaker 1: you know that we talked about the cyber threats with

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Speaker 1: little little John David and Nicholas of our story where

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Speaker 1: you had to follow him in the room and look

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Speaker 1: over his shoulder and he Mommy, don't be looking over

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Speaker 1: my show you will m this, Nancy Grace, I mean

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Speaker 1: your mom what you what you read in their phone?

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Speaker 1: And that's what we have to do with our kids.

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Speaker 1: We have to evade their privacies sometimes, Miss Grace. Let

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Speaker 1: me tell you what happened the other day. We're all

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Speaker 1: anti camping, we're all about and like my my daughter Lucy,

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Speaker 1: I told you she's a scout. I don't mean to

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Speaker 1: kind of go out and old cookies. She goes out

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Speaker 1: in camp. You can pitch a tent, you can start

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Speaker 1: a fire, no works. So anyway, even now I'm on

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Speaker 1: John David. That's what he has done. He has set

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Speaker 1: up his camping. He has set up his camping tent

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Speaker 1: in his bedroom and he will get in it and

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Speaker 1: watch his screen from the hammock. So I can't see

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Speaker 1: what he's watching. So long story short, I said, what

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Speaker 1: do you watch his son? And he said some Japanese name.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, dear lord, I thought it's Japanese pornography.

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Speaker 1: Well guess what it is. It's anime, right, my daughter

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Speaker 1: does that. Yes, sci fi anime thriller, kind of like Marville.

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Speaker 1: But okay, so once again I've called him being good. Right, Well,

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Speaker 1: you know he's he's a he's a funny uh. Trail

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Speaker 1: through the book because of the fact that it reminds

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Speaker 1: me just talks about your parenting, and I think that

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about. You just a one person.

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Speaker 1: You're an open book. You're saying that these situations happened

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Speaker 1: to me. You may see me as being famous. You

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Speaker 1: may say, I think I have a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: but I still have the parents. And as a parent,

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Speaker 1: it's seven it's seven days a week, it's twenty four

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Speaker 1: hours a day. And I don't care whether you wealthy

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Speaker 1: or you're struggling. You have to be focused. Now, the

539
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: book shifts. Now the first part one, Part two is

540
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Speaker 1: really about your child. Part two on got to the

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Speaker 1: adult side of the book, which I really like. Why

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Speaker 1: was it important to do the you know, the protecting

543
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Speaker 1: yourself travel safe? Because part one in part two becauld's

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Speaker 1: been a separate book by itself, Nancy. But then you

545
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Speaker 1: say you're something. I'm gonna give them a book that

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Speaker 1: when they walk and talk anybody. The teenager can have

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Speaker 1: this book. They can lie the young, they can preach

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Speaker 1: knowledge to the young children. And also if they decided

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Speaker 1: to travel as adults, they can have that. Why do

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Speaker 1: you decided to put it all in one book? So many,

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Speaker 1: um that they comes that I've represented in court, I've

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Speaker 1: been children, but I would say an equal amount have

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Speaker 1: been adults. And the cases I've covered, so many missing women,

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Speaker 1: missing team, missing college students. You know, when you go

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Speaker 1: to college you think you know everything, you don't know anything.

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Speaker 1: And so many especially girls Paul pray at college and

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Speaker 1: the other day. Um, you know. I work on my

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Speaker 1: Hallmark movies and they are born out of character I created.

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Speaker 1: When I moved to New York to launch a show

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Speaker 1: with the late great Johnny Cochrane. He would go off.

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Speaker 1: He was the host of the town. He would go

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Speaker 1: off after our show, which was at night, and I

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Speaker 1: knew nobody. I go home to my old apartment. I

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Speaker 1: was alone. I started writing this book so a lady,

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Speaker 1: a very dear friend of mine, Liz, that I worked

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Speaker 1: on the Hallmark shows with son went away to college

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Speaker 1: the movies, and she was so worried about him. And

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Speaker 1: to force fed basically booze until he died at a

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Speaker 1: frat party. She was so afraid for her son. And

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Speaker 1: I got to thinking about John David and Lucy going

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Speaker 1: away to college. I don't like thinking about it, but

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about all the things that could happen

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Speaker 1: to him, and all the times I go running or

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Speaker 1: I take the twins walking with me or biking with me,

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Speaker 1: and all the cases I've covered where women were out

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Speaker 1: jogging or biking or leaving their dorm or people my

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Speaker 1: age out and about walking and jogging and how dangerous

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Speaker 1: it is and how many times do you pull up

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Speaker 1: at a red light. This is a chilling thought to

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Speaker 1: me because I know the stats on how many people

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Speaker 1: are out on part and in parole. They can't all

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Speaker 1: be hiding in some area of town. They are out

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Speaker 1: with you at the mall, at the grocery store, in

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Speaker 1: the parking lot, at the red light. Hey, when you

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Speaker 1: don't know a horse, look at his track records. You

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Speaker 1: think they won't offend again. They will. They will offend

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Speaker 1: again and are sitting by you at the red light.

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Speaker 1: That made me think about driving and what happens when

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Speaker 1: you're in a car, and how to stay safe, and

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Speaker 1: what to do if you think you're being followed, what

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Speaker 1: to do if somebody has a road rage. There's just

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Speaker 1: so many things to think about, and I want to

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Speaker 1: address them because I have addressed them, not only in

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Speaker 1: this book, but in court. Wow Don't be a victim.

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Speaker 1: Fighting back against America's crime Wave. Out September twenty two,

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Speaker 1: investigates breaking crime news, highlights missing people, and help solve

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Speaker 1: More importantly, to tell you people to send me some notices,

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Speaker 1: I'm also like sid to your friend of mine because

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Speaker 1: you helped raise my daughter. You have to keep my

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Speaker 1: daughter safe again when she drives out of my driveway.

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Speaker 1: I can't protect her. All I can do is just

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Speaker 1: provided with information that hopefully she will make the right decision. Nancy,

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Speaker 1: And you've given me the tools, and you're getting the

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much. Thank you friend. We

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Speaker 1: talked soon, all right, get that stuff to me. Thank you, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: NBA vault, and each week we'll have new interviews with

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Speaker 1: the legends who were actually on the court. Check out

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Speaker 1: NBA Flashback on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your pot. Yes