1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Is that true? I don't know. I wouldn't went with Pacific. 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Do we know the answer, Peanut? Why you put it 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: on me? I thought that's your answer. You're supposed to 4 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: know that, you're supposed to know the answer to your questions. 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: Doesn't the Pacific? Yes, it is the Pacific. Oh my god, 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: you're not terrible. I need a new I need a 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: new co host. You don't even know the answer to 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: these questions. Well, I thought it was specific, but then 9 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: he said Atlantic, and I was like, I mean he 10 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: doesn't have a document smart right now? I thought I did. 11 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: Sometimes I don't trust my my lower level killing me begon, 12 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: I don't. Oh my god, thank you all for tuning 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: in to another episode of the NFL Players Second Acts Podcast. 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: I'm Peanut Toman and as always, I got my guy 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: with me, Roman Salt and Pepper Beer Harper, what's up 16 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: with it? It's good man? What's good with you? Peanuts? 17 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: Good having you back? Yeah, a little bit today, I'm 18 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm really excited because I'm not the only Salt and 19 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: Pepper Beard brother on the pot today. No, no, no, 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: we we gotta we we gotta we got a good one. 21 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: Um let me let me let me read his resume 22 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: real quick. Uh. He's a former wide receiver, first round 23 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: pick in the ninety eight draft, played six NFL seasons 24 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: for the Titans and the Panthers. He's been a part 25 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: of two of the most memorable plays in NFL history. 26 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: Um After his NFL career, he got into education, where 27 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: he earned two master's degrees and he holds a doctorate 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: in education. Please welcome our guest, Kevin Joe Clark, Dr Dyson. 29 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: I like that. I like that, Joel. I ain't put 30 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: no hands on nobody yet, but you know why not. 31 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: Why don't you put hands on these little kids? Put 32 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: my kids every chance I get, Boy, they are bad. 33 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: I know that's right. You know I got bills to pay. 34 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: You know we're in the climbing now. You can't hardly 35 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: say anything to anybody anymore but a Rome. I loved 36 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: the salt pepper. Brother, you know you gotta keep it going. 37 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: I call it for a little while. Now I'm proudly 38 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: wearing the salt pepper. Don't just get over. The only 39 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: difference between yours is you probably got yours. I don't know. 40 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: A year or two ago, Rome been rocking and salt 41 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: and pepper. He came out of the wound with a 42 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: salt and pepper. Rome came out of the womb looking 43 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: like Benjamin Button Boy. He looked old when he came out, 44 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: and he just was great and everything. That is always 45 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: talking because Peanut loves to uh how did they say, 46 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: loves trying to start stuff with me about my gray air. 47 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: He's offered up money many times and no, I'm not 48 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: dying it. So let's go. Yeah, so I uh, let's well, 49 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: we'll get right into this thing real quick. Dr Diyke, 50 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: Can I call you? Do people? Do you correct? People 51 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: with the doctor party you just told him? Call you 52 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: Mr Dison, Dr Dyson, um man just calling whatever. You 53 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: don't call me out my name. I've had I've had 54 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: people defend me though. I had a lot of parents 55 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: and friends defend me. Uh like, no, he's doctor Dison now, 56 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: but me, it don't matter, man, I tell you like this, Uh, 57 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 1: getting that those initials before my name was one of 58 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 1: the greatest accomplishments I could ever have done personally. And 59 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily I didn't ever say do it for 60 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: the name the monica. I just did it for the 61 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: challenge and that side of football. To be able to 62 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: accomplish something like that, that's what it was about for me. So, 63 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: but I ain't gonna lie. It's kind of huge. Yeah, 64 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 1: it's cool though, So I'm gonna call you, hey, Dr 65 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: I like I like it too. That was one of 66 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: the big things we talked about doctor Dr Dyson before 67 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: we got on with you, Mr Kevin Dyson, was that, 68 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: do you know once he earned the doctor the fact 69 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: that you went to school, you did all that. Like 70 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: at that point, man, we gotta call you that because 71 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: that's hard work, that's time put in, and the most 72 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: people that earn it usually kind of go back. At 73 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: least that's what we said we would. So yeah, I 74 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: appreciate respect you put the hard work in. So I'm 75 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 1: gonna Dr Dyson is all right, So listen, I'm gonna 76 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: get right into it. I'm gonna cut the chase. So, 77 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: as I said, involved in two of the most memorable 78 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: players in NFL history, first the Music City Miracle, to 79 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: kick the Trick, kick return play whatever. So I know 80 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: you talked about this mania times, but I just want 81 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: to know, Uh, wasn't really a forward pass? No no, no, no, no, 82 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: look at that. Now take me and frank out of 83 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: the picture. Look at the flight of the ball. You 84 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: look at the flight of the football is look at 85 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: the flag football, it's slightly back. Look at that. So 86 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: you go by the flight of the rules and the 87 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: rule book is the flight of football is not the person. 88 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: So by that definition is definitely a labable. Were you 89 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: was supposed to be on the field, Like, how did that? 90 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: Who came up with that play? Um? So Alan Lowry, 91 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: I guess he had run at at um University of 92 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: Texas where he went to school, had run something similar 93 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: back in the sixties, I believe sixties or sevenes. And 94 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: now I wasn't supposed to be on the field. So 95 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: that was something you know how it is on Saturday mornings, 96 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: you're going to walk through you're going through situational football, 97 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: two minute drill, sudden change and you're doing something like 98 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: that and you gotta win plays. Um. That was something 99 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: that we always worked on on Saturdays, one of the 100 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: last things we did. And I was a starting my 101 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: serious I want to kickoff return team or nothing like 102 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: other than hands that was all I was on. So 103 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: I was one of those players, like you know, I 104 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: had one ft on the field, one ft and the 105 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: door ready to go, and um, you know you watch it, 106 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: you see what they what they do. But at the 107 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: end of the day, you're like, we're not really gonna 108 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: run this. It's like when the situation is going to 109 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: present itself when you're gonna run this play right. And 110 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: Derek Mason had gone out. I think he got concussed 111 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: on a punt return around that time. He that was happening. 112 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: I went in to get I V. I was dehydrad. 113 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: I had been diluting myself, going figure, its cold and 114 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: I've just been drinking too much water and just was 115 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: diluting myself and so I was cramping up. So I 116 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: went in to get I V. Run time he's being concussed. 117 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: His backup, Tony Anthony Dorset Jr. Um was cramping up 118 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: at the end of the game. It couldn't run. So 119 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: was like outside, you guys are terribly hydrated everywhere. I mean, 120 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: I learned this later. I didn't have another electric like 121 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: a drinking too much water and so he and he 122 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: couldn't run, and they called me, I guess because you know, 123 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: I can't return to college and I did some of 124 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: my rookie year some point return and stuff like that. 125 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: So Jeff Fisher and a Lowry came up to me 126 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: and they started saying, we're gonna run home and throw back. 127 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 1: You're gonna go in there for Mason and uh Ice 128 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: and Birds gonna slide over. They're gonna get the squid. 129 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna give it to Frank. He's gonna laterate. So 130 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: they running this whole thing down to me. So the 131 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: gis now I wastly supposed to get the lateral, let 132 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: alone be in there. So the gist of the play is, 133 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: you know, in some situations you play for a squib. 134 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: When we put Frank in, he had great hand to 135 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: play for a squib, and then he does what he 136 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: does well. The number one returnment, if you will, the 137 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: furthest away from Frank, which would have been Isaac Bird. 138 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: It is supposed to get the lateral. My job was 139 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: to get in pitch relationship with him as he ran 140 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: down the field. If he gets in trouble, pitch to me, 141 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: I get what I get, Get out of bounds or whatever. 142 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: Kick the field goal. Well, they bloomed it. Christie bloomed it. 143 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: And so when he did that, I don't know if 144 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: Isaac who hadn't really run to play from that position 145 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: at all. I don't know why I haven't talked to 146 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: him in twenty years about it. We okay, I just 147 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: never asked him. And he comes up to field it 148 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: and he gets stumbles on. Now I'm just last man standing. 149 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: Frank threw it to this day, on Frank and tell 150 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: me all he wants to. He didn't know who was 151 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: over there. He just threw it and I caught him 152 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: in and it opened up. It was just all I 153 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: had to do with run. That was the easy part. Well, 154 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: I promise you they didn't think Frank was gonna score though, 155 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: that's why you probably do it so so so that 156 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: was another thing. So Number one, first time hearing this 157 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: all this story, because I remember this place specifically, the 158 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: fact that like two people busted makes me laugh, right, 159 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: like you never know that by the way it worked out, like, 160 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: actually it wasn't even supposed to go that way, but 161 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: that's usually how football is. Number Two, My my real 162 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: question to you is that why did the whole defense 163 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: go over there with Frank witche Did they think he 164 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: was gonna crib it or something like? They all went 165 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: over there and then next you know, you were wide 166 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: open by yourself with a couple of blockers out there 167 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: in front of you. It's just so crazy watching it 168 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: on TV. I'm like, but looking back on I'm like, 169 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: hundsight is always twenty. I'm like, why did everybody go 170 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: with Frank wait? Check like he just going or something? 171 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: You know, I want to ask that question. This this 172 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: is my philosophy on that whole thing. We have been 173 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: pretty much dominating the whole game. The score wasn't depicting 174 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: of that, like you know what I mean. We it 175 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: was a close game, but we pretty much we're controlling 176 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: that game up until midway through the fourth quarter. And 177 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: then they got to touchdown late in the game to 178 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: take the league. And I think because it was such 179 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: a hard fig game, they were just anxious to end it, 180 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, get to get to make the play, make 181 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: us go. You know, we didn't have much time left. 182 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: You the odds of us going length to the field 183 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: or go forty fifty yards to get a field goal range. 184 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: I felt like they were like, I'm gonna head and 185 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: gonna make this place. And they got out of position 186 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: and all that did was run because I had a 187 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: wall of people, so you know, my my job. Literally, 188 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: I literally did not get touched too start celebrating. That's 189 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: how that's how how much out of position they were. 190 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: They had to break a tackle, nothing, they just all sawball, 191 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: went ball and got out of position. All right. Now, 192 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: we heard one of your teachers made a meme of 193 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: the last place and it's a frame on your desk. 194 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah, yeah, is still there? Yea? Is that 195 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: just a constant reminder that you just one yard short, 196 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: just a little short reminder of like I want to 197 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: know that. What is that reminder? Uh man, it's like this. 198 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: You know, he can't take the good without taking a 199 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: bad and you got there's lessons in both. And I 200 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: tell people all the time, I think I learned more 201 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: from that than I did. You see a miracle, like, 202 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: let me say a miracle like I told you I 203 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: was supposed to be a part of it that didn't happen. 204 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: I was supposed to. I get it. I'm I'm on TV. 205 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: Everybody's talking about me the Super Bowl. I'm in the progression. 206 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: I think I'm in. It's end of the game. It's 207 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: the first time, especially in the pros, but from anything 208 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: in sports, and I can remember that I did not 209 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: get it done. That I was not successful at the 210 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: I'm talking about having to hit two free throws at 211 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: the end of the game to win like k kicks 212 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: and soccer game winning catches. In football, that was the 213 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: first time in my athletic life that I can remember. 214 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: It is the biggest game of my life. And so 215 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a lot of life lessons in that, 216 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Because you just never know 217 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: when your opportunity is gonna come. You gotta be ready 218 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: for it. And when they do come and you're not successful, 219 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: what do you do for him? From that point on? 220 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: And that next off season? Man, y'all know, y'all trained 221 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: man that that focus now that I wasn't focused before, 222 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: but that focus was hyper. Man. I just was like, 223 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: I want to get back to that moment so bad 224 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: and and just to prove that if nobody else myself, 225 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: that I can get it done. I put a lot 226 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: of a lot of weight, a lot of pressure on 227 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: myself for not scoring. I blame myself for a lot. 228 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: And you know, I've watched that play a million times 229 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: on highlights. I've watched the game still and watched the 230 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: game and its entirety. Um, but that plays played every year. 231 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: People see it and then they've asked me this question, 232 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: like what could have done differently in this and that 233 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: and and I've dissected plenty of times. I don't. He 234 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: just Mike Joels made a good play, man. He just 235 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: sometimes you got took your hat and the guy makes 236 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: a good play, and that's what it is. Yeah. So 237 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: I've been accessed numerous times like having you know, I 238 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: didn't I didn't go to a great football I didn't 239 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: go to a great school known for football and lost 240 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: a lot of games. Still got drafted play thirteen years, 241 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: made my place, kind of made a name for myself. 242 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: And people always ask me what would you change? And 243 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: I give him the same answer. I wouldn't change anything. 244 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: I think things happen the way they were for me, 245 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: and I know some people they do change that. So, 246 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: knowing your place in NFL history with those two plays, Um, 247 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: if you could, if you could trade them in for 248 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: a longer career, would you do that? Man, you hit 249 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: the nerve. I'm gonna tell you, peanut, so Hey, I 250 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: thought this a lot, like Okay, my counterpart was Derek 251 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: Mason and that was running mate and we did a 252 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: lot of things together, and before I got hurt, he 253 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: was my backup, right and then I got in. That 254 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: put him an opportunity. You know, you get opportunity, you 255 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: don't you don't let it go. And that propelled him 256 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: to probably a borderline Hall of Fame career. I think 257 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: he's in that conversation, he's had that kind of career. UM. 258 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: And had he been in, MU said miracle, who know? 259 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you see what I'm saying, because that was 260 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: supposed to be his moment was miracle and he wasn't 261 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: out there and it was my moment um. And so 262 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: I thought about this a long time. I never got 263 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: the big bag because I had all the injuries toward 264 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: my knee, toward my achilles, toward my hand string. UM. 265 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: But I also recognize that we talked about it, like 266 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: I don't think maybe my ambition and motivations go get 267 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: the master degrees or the doctorate. I don't know if 268 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: it would have been the same. I don't know, because 269 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: because I had, I had a lot lot of life 270 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: lessons because of what happened after that, after those moments, 271 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: you know, that was my second year in the league. UM, 272 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: and that was within three weeks in my second year, 273 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: and um after that. The next year, I thought, I'm 274 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: on my way of starting to get the ball coming 275 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: my way. I tear my knee up. I come back, 276 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: have a good year. The very next year, I tear 277 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: my hamstring up, sign a free agent one year deal 278 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: with Carolina, tear my hamstring up, and then I just 279 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: never could never get over that hump to really prove 280 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: my worth in the National Football League, even though I 281 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: felt like my talent was there, I just couldn't never 282 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: get over that healthy hump. And so I thought about 283 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: this over long, long haul, what I trade careers with 284 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: my boy being Derek Mason, because that's essentially kind of 285 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: what happened in those moments. I traded a moment for 286 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: hearing for the career, if you will, Because I got hurt. 287 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: He ended up stepping into the spot where I felt 288 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: like I was going to be. And I don't I 289 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think so because what I've accomplished 290 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: since then, I don't know if I would have. I've 291 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: grown so much more as a man in that way. 292 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: And I know mace As too, we've talked. But if 293 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: I would have, I don't know if I would have 294 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: been the same person I am today without these lessons 295 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: I've had along the way, right, Yeah, I mean that's 296 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: really it again, Yeah yeah, I do, especially um understanding, 297 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: like like what you talked about the whole the play 298 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: that came up short, that's still in your your death 299 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: right now, all the life you learn, you learned way 300 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: more from the coming up short, the shortcomings in life 301 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: sometimes and even the biggest successes. And but it's learning 302 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: moments in both, right. And so in two thousand three, 303 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: your last years with the Panthers, you just kind of 304 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: reminisced about that for a second. At what point did 305 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: you know it was time? Was it because of all 306 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: the injuries or was it something else specifically? Well, I 307 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: still chased the dream for a couple more years. Um. 308 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: I went to uh Washington, UM, and I got there. 309 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: At the end, I was having a great camp. I mean, 310 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: people was like I was playing with smoke, you know, 311 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: sean spring cold. People it was like, man, you still 312 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: got some stuff in your tank. And they said, you 313 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: just come off the couch. You still got you got 314 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: off the couch like this. I was like, man, you know, 315 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: and I get into that room with Annie Serato and 316 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs, and they said, man, you had one of 317 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: the best camps of all our receivers. But I like 318 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: to keep a lot of age backs. Y'all know the 319 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: old Washington Riskins office. Both y'all play d so you 320 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: get you know what I'm talking about. They was coming 321 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: down here. They have a lot of tighty fullbacks, running backs. 322 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: That's when they had Clinton Ports and then they just 323 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: signed uh Santana Moss Um, Uh David Patton. They just 324 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: drafted um. They signed James Strass the multi year deal. 325 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: The special teams grew, they just strafted Um. I was 326 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: named from Florida, I forget his name right now, receiver 327 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: from Florida. And then they had Sellers, had Ports and 328 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: had all these running backs and he said, man, I 329 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: just don't know we have a spot for you. I said, coach, 330 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: you understand that. You know. It wasn't It wasn't I 331 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: was getting because because of my talent. Wasn't there. It 332 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: was because it was a numbers game. And then uh, 333 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: that's okay. So I kept working out in San Diego. 334 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: Charge is called and that was the year Philip Rivers 335 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: and then were drafted Um and uh, Philip Rivers came 336 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: in and it was Drew Brees and at the end 337 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: of that death season, and again it's kind of the 338 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: same sentiment. Schottenheimer kind of said the same thing. He 339 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: just like, man, it's a numbers game. I got to 340 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: the point I was turning thirty years old, Um, I 341 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: can keep chasing the dream. I had Canada calling, I 342 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: had Arena ball calling, had teams calling and see if 343 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: I was still in the shape. I was telling them, yeah, 344 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: I'm still working out. It was just like people keep 345 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: me on tap, but they weren't pulling the trigger. And 346 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: so yes, I said, Man, at some point, I gotta 347 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: I gotta move on. I can't be chasing his dream. 348 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: I got mouth and fee wife, you know, and I 349 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: didn't want to be like be thirty or four years 350 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: old still chasing the dream because now I'm getting older, right, 351 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: I'm I just turned thirty and and things of that nature. So, um, 352 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: I just made a decision, man, right right for our 353 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,239 Speaker 1: turn thirty years old. So you know, it's trying to 354 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: make a move, do something different. Yeah, you got a 355 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: great memory. I just want you to know that the 356 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: fact that you rounding off like all these names you 357 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: just never forget, I guess, but your memory is impeccable. 358 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: It is really something that's gon to be applauded. And 359 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: after they hearing all this, we should call you doctor. 360 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: So that first year when we are retired, it can 361 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: be hard for for some of us. Some of us 362 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: kind of figured out, some of us we don't. I 363 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: think I was a guy who struggled my first year. 364 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: And you've often described the first year in retirement as 365 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,479 Speaker 1: losing a loved one or like overcoming an addiction, and 366 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: I think I can relate to it. Was it was 367 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: kind of like losing a loss of a loved one. 368 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: So what was what was that first year like for you? Man? 369 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: It's just like you said, you know, there's that that 370 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: that moment of depression. I feel like now I could 371 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: look back on it, being older and wiser, I think 372 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: I dealt with that. There's an emotional peace, there's a denial. 373 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: You know. I don't know how many times y'all have 374 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: watched games and be like, man, I can still do that, 375 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: and watching my backup, watching my backup, go get bags. 376 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: I'm watching, you know, just everything going on. There's that, um, 377 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: there's anger. I was mad I was mad at the league, man, 378 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: I was. I was just like, like, it's you know 379 00:18:58,119 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: that that's a whole another story. But I would just 380 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: mad because I didn't get that opportunity to prove my worth. 381 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: I felt like in and for different circumstances, especially at 382 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: the end, um fear, I don't know what to do next. 383 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: The natural fit was do you go into coaching? And 384 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: I chased that for a little while, but I don't 385 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: know if I was about that life either. Um anxious 386 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: you wake up, you know, you're so used to getting 387 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: up and going and getting lifting weights, watching film all 388 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: through all that, man, all that change your whole demeanor, 389 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: change your whole um philosophy, change uh moment, something like 390 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: everything just started changing. And um and that, like I said, 391 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: I keep talking about it as like it's an addiction, 392 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: because there is some forces of addiction or even you know, 393 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: losing a loved one too, because it really is. It's 394 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: the longest relationship you have. You know, you started playing 395 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: started playing football in the seven I retired on starty. 396 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: That's twent three years of of a love hate relationship, right, 397 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: And so that's why I've equated to that, and especially 398 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: with the addiction piece, because man, the dream. You get 399 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: addicted to that dream, um, whether whether you get the 400 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: multi win all the contract or not, whether you get 401 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: the rings or not, I mean not. They're not trying 402 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: the same thing about Bred Farv or Tom Brady or 403 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: even Jerry Rice, guys who played into their forties. But 404 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: I can see why, you know why they stayed as 405 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: long as they could, um, just because man, that dream um. 406 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: And so it was rough man that first year I 407 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: started UM looking to coach. I went a cup. I 408 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: found how political that was. One school, my even my 409 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: ommala mater, he was like, you know, Kep, I don't know, 410 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: guys that the coach at this level had never without 411 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: prior coaching experience. And then a couple of years later 412 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: he hired Brian Johnson as a quarterback coach, and and 413 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so I see how this is. 414 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: And then I went to another school. I thought yeah, 415 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: And when that school, I thought he was gonna hire me. 416 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: And then then all of a sudden, two schools did 417 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,959 Speaker 1: this to me. Actually, and then all of sudden their 418 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: phones went quiet. And then I looked on the internet 419 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: and I see they hired two different people, two different 420 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: people expectively and I'm just like, man, is that really 421 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: what it is? So I settled in on secondary education, man, 422 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: and I enjoyed coaching kids that for the time I 423 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: did it, Man, I really did to be able to 424 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: share what I had in me with some other kids. Um. 425 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: And then to be told, I learned a lot of 426 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: more about football, UM that I didn't know. You know, 427 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: if we're so focused in on what we're doing and 428 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: what the dB is doing, maybe the linebackers to a 429 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: certain degree. But when I became a coach, especially I 430 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: became a head coach, I didn't know what the old 431 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 1: line was doing. I know that the line was doing. 432 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: I know why coverage just did this. I knew why 433 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: blitzes did that. I had to learn so much more 434 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: about the game. So that would help me grow another 435 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: appreciation for the game that gave me so much and 436 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: took so much from me as well. But I grew 437 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: another appreciation for it. And then that then I was 438 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: over after a while because I started that into two kids. Um, 439 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: you kind of went into all the things that you 440 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: dabbled into or got into while you were you know, 441 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: after of retirement, and I know a lot of emotions 442 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: probably fueled you and pushed you in these different directions, 443 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: whether it was anger or anxiousness, uh, fear, whatever that was. 444 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: But is it safe to say that the love for kids? 445 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: What kind of pushed you and kept you in this 446 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: space of education? Like what pushed you there? Or was 447 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: it a person? What exactly got you there and made 448 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: you stay? Man, that's a great question. I don't think 449 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: nobody's ever asked me that. Um, yeah, I think it 450 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 1: was I saw I had something that I can get 451 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: back to kids, and they were gravitating to it, and 452 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: I knew it was because of my past. I knew 453 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: part of it was I had that that instant, that 454 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: instant credibility to the kids because a lot of and 455 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: at that time, the kids grew up watching me play. 456 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: You know, one of the kids I coach was telling 457 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: me about when he was four or five years old 458 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: and he was at the Musicity Miracle with his parents, 459 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: and yet now I'm coaching him, you know what I'm saying, 460 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: So he quote unquote one of their heroes, if you will, 461 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: and I'm coaching them. And so yeah, that's essentially what 462 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: got me and kept me where I was. And then 463 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: the whole school thing was just UH me trying to 464 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: better myself. UM. I would say, well, if I'm gonna 465 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: be in this secondary educational world, I knew doors would 466 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: open for me because of my past. So I my 467 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: The term I've used is UM, I wanted to be qualified. 468 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: So I was justified, and so I wanted to go 469 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: learn much as I could about this education world about teaching. 470 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: UM and the second masters that I know that it 471 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: sounds impressive, but it was kind of an accident of 472 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: her had it happened stance. I was doing private school 473 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: thing first, and then UM I had I went to 474 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: public school and I didn't have a teaching license, so 475 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: I had to go back to school to get my 476 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: masters degrees. I get my teaching likes so and that's 477 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: how I know with two masters degrees. But the uh 478 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: and the doctor would talk about later. But UM to 479 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: enter your question wrong, Yeah, man, the kids ultimately seeing 480 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: that I had an IMPACTUM kept me there and UM. 481 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: Then when I transitioned, it was kind of the same thing. 482 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: It was I grew as a leader as an individual leader, 483 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: and I would only have impact on kids. I saw 484 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: have an impact on adults, and that was was real 485 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: cool for me. So I was like, man, I kind 486 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: of like this. So that's why I moved into the administrative, 487 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: administrative part of it. Don't you apologize anymore forgetting all 488 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: these educations and degrees. All right, it's just it's okay, 489 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: it's okay. Don't downplay it. Let us boost you up. 490 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: That's why I got out here. Yeah. Hey, I never 491 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: thought myself be smart, man, and I and I you know, 492 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: I'm just one thing I do know is how to 493 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: work work hard and getting them degrees. Man, it was funny. 494 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: And I've said this and what people think, well, I've 495 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: said it's one of my great accomplishments. Is everything I 496 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 1: poured into athletics, I finally poured into my academics. And 497 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: it's all one and the same, you know. It's just 498 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: I knew motivation, knew work ethic, a new determination, all 499 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: that stuff I did to get myself ready to play football. 500 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: I just did that same thing for school and it 501 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: worked out, you know. And that's what I tell people. 502 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: It's like, you must be smart, said now, I just 503 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: know how to work hard and and and that was 504 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 1: something that had to work harder at because it didn't 505 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,959 Speaker 1: come as natural to come natural and right, lifting weights, running, 506 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: running routes, all that stuff you have to do to 507 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: be put yourself in the utimo shape to be a 508 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: football player. Um, I just did it from an academic standpoint. 509 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: I mean you you said you called it your getting 510 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: your doctorate, like your mouth everest. I don't know any 511 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: other former players that have got that have received a 512 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: doctor And what would often often think about this? So 513 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: one of my one of my philosophies is when you lose, 514 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: don't lose the lesson. And as I get older, we 515 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: hit wiser and we grow up and learned. And you 516 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: said that, you know, looking back, I could say this 517 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: and I felt that. So what would uh thirty year 518 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: old NFL first round pick say to a principle with 519 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: the doctorate? What would that Kevin Dyson say to Dr Dyson? Wow? 520 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: Man YouTube coming up with some great questions. I appreciate this, Um, 521 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: we really got a good we got a good team. 522 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: We do have a good team. Yeah yeah, yeah, no, No, 523 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. No, that that's really tough. That's good 524 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: because you know, I'm writing a book and it makes 525 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: me evaluate kind of where I'm going with that. But 526 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: you know, two totally different worlds, you know, when you're 527 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: right the the thirty year old kid who that dream 528 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: was just right there, right you just you're drafted, you're planning, 529 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: and fell played in a couple of Super Bowls and 530 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: that's your world, and you're like, that's that's all you know. 531 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: Um Like, like I told people my first master's class. 532 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: I get in there and the professor says, hey, we're 533 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: talking about what's on the syllable. You gotta do a 534 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: word excel, you gotta do a power point. And at 535 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: that point, no, I did what none of that was 536 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: because remember, like Microsoft word wasn't happening when I was 537 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: in college, right, that's old I am. And so I 538 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: didn't know the world. All I knew was football. I 539 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: knew the world from like traveling and all these things 540 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: that afforded us because we have money to do those 541 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: sorts of things. But I really didn't know the world. 542 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: I didn't know books, I didn't know academia. I didn't 543 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: know that side of it. So what I would my 544 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: thirty year old or younger self would ask myself now 545 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: forty seven is like, what would you do differently? As 546 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: far as that I would have taken the time to 547 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: really enjoy my life and not taking football so seriously. 548 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: I think I took football so serious and put so 549 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: much pressure on that because I was chasing that bag. 550 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: I was chasing the dream, one of the ring. I 551 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: wanted to be known. I wanted to notoriety that all 552 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: the stuff that comes with playing ball. And I think 553 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: about how so shortsighted compared to the extent of life. 554 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: Like for most of us we end in our thirties 555 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: and offordy seven. So I was gonna be a young 556 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: man if I got to play ten fifteen years anyway. 557 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: Uh So it was gonna be the same sort of thing. 558 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: What what next? How am I going to grow as 559 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: an individual? And this is what I would now on 560 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: this side of it from my older self to doctor 561 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: Kevin Dice aside telling my younger self, man, it's like 562 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: you'd like to believe you have a long life to live, man, 563 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: and so do everything you think you ever wanted to do. 564 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: Grow as you can grow as individual, even do stuff 565 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: you didn't think you want to do, or you think 566 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: I didn't think you can accomplish. I never thought i'd 567 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: go get my doctor. That didn't seem ever in the 568 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: possibility of what I could do and to do to 569 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: be of one percent on being a first round draft pick, 570 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: in one percent of being called doctor and in in education. Man, 571 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: you would if you had told me that was gonna 572 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: be my path, I would have told you, man, you crazy. Yeah. 573 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: I just thought, yeah, I thought I played football, go 574 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: coach for a few years years and then on a 575 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: couple of businesses and chill, like you know what I mean, 576 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: Like I didn't. I didn't have this. It was not 577 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: in my plan book, on my playbook. It was just happened. 578 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: And I'm happy it did because it's taught me a 579 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: lot about myself and made me evaluate myself a lot. 580 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: And I and I even like y'all know, if you play, 581 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: you as a professional athlete, we evaluate ourselves every day. 582 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: But outside of that, people don't do that. And we 583 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: do it as pro athletes because if we don't do 584 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: what the coaches are, your teammates are, the fan is, 585 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,719 Speaker 1: the administration is. We're being evaluated every time, every time 586 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: they put that film on you being evaluated. So if 587 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: you don't evaluate yourself and try to get better, then 588 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't then you're not gonna last long. Well, if 589 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: you don't do that. On this side of the equation, 590 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: You're never gonna figure out what drives you that, what 591 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: gives you purpose again, what fuels you? What? What helps 592 00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: you make money? Um to support your family, because you 593 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: know the average life expectancy of football players, but fifty 594 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,239 Speaker 1: six fifty seven something to that effect. So that's not 595 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: a long time. So hopefully it's arresting peace. Franco Harris, 596 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: he died of seventy too. Hopefully we can live a 597 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: lot longer than that. But life is not promised. So 598 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do today to make itself better 599 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: for tomorrow? And that's kind of how I started thinking. 600 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: I started getting more and more to the educational piece. 601 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: You hadn't even said it. Yeah, I was first round 602 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: draft pick, sixteenth overall, but I was also trantied in 603 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: front of one of the best receivers ever to do it, 604 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: Randy Moss. I was the first receiver taking right. People 605 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: didn't know I was battling with that my whole career, 606 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: Like I was dealing with that from a psychological standpoint 607 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: and social emotional standpoint all my career, thinking like like 608 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: belittle with myself, like do I deserve this? Like here 609 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: he is doing this, and I'm sitting here like watching 610 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: him go ahead and catch ten fifteen balls a game, 611 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm getting scraps and you know what I mean. 612 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: And I'm I'm measuring myself up to that, and and 613 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: I'm assuming everybody else to do on the same, you know. 614 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: And so I'm walking into meeting rooms or two facilities, 615 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, like, man, everybody wishes I was Moss. 616 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: And I don't think that's true or not. It could be, 617 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: but that's how I was walking in every day, anxious 618 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: and then and feeling that. And I know those other 619 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: young men that kind of have that same sentiment. There's 620 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure we put on ourselves. So my 621 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: older self, my forty seven year old stelf we're told 622 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: told my little twenty something year old kids. So man, 623 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: just be you, go out there and be the best 624 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: version of you, and if that's not good enough, someone 625 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: else will like it, you know. But I didn't real 626 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: give it like that. Harrison is the Devil's joy, you 627 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: know what though, Like listen listening to you, uh k 628 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,959 Speaker 1: Dr Dyson, it's just it's really intriguing into the mindset 629 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: of where so many of our athletes are in former 630 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: NFL players, minds are at and you know, one statement 631 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: that you said in other interviews and other sit downs 632 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: is that and it comes to you like wanting to 633 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: be an educator. Was that you know, you wanted to 634 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,239 Speaker 1: be qualified so you would be justified. But is that 635 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: really almost like the synopsis of your whole life and career, 636 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: the fact that you got drafted in front of Ready Moss. 637 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: You never felt qualified for that. After you saw what 638 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: Randy Moss is doing. You come up one yard short 639 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl play where everybody remembers from Mike 640 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: Jones talk with you, so you never felt qualified from there. 641 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,959 Speaker 1: You see Derek Mason come in your back up, start balling, 642 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: go get the bag. You can't get over injuries. You 643 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: never qualified for those things too. So you literally your 644 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: whole life you're chasing these things and you never feels 645 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: as accomplished as you were as an athlete. You never 646 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: felt qualified for anything. And so now you go and 647 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: get these degrees to make or give yourself the sense 648 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: of like, Okay, I belong and so has that really 649 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: done that for you? Has that really done that for you? 650 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: I think that's what we need to get across to 651 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: all of our listeners and people watching, is that like 652 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: so many of us never feel qualified, force accomplished as 653 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: we are. We never feel where we truly are justified, like, man, 654 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: we did it right because we didn't reach that moment. 655 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: We didn't get that goal whatever that is. And so 656 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: has been this educator like have you reached that goal? 657 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: And maybe if you have or have not, what was 658 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: so fulfilling about it? Or have you got to this 659 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: place of fulfillment yet? Man? Ro Man, look at y'all. Man, 660 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: that's hey, that's Deacon right there. That's why I was like, 661 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: all I needed was an organ right there. When you 662 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: hear me go definitely be right here. I love it. 663 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: This is definitely be on sport. And this is rabb 664 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: my alley right here. So I appreciate this. You don't 665 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: even know. Listen, you hit it right on the head man. 666 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: As as I've grown and done that self evaluation and 667 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: trying to learn what's what and be who I am 668 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: exactly it man, This is I think why I'm so 669 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: driven to be successful at this part of it is. 670 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: It is my own thing. It's something different than what 671 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: anybody ever expected from me, you know, even as a kid, 672 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: being the best player on the team or whatever it was. 673 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: And never feel like I ever fulfilled those expectations in 674 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: a lot of respects. Um, this was my thing. Um, 675 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: and you're on the whole same man, you were. You 676 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: talking about book right now and I gotta finish it. 677 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: But this, this is, this is what it is man, 678 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: being qualified. So I was justified. And um, you know, 679 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: like you talked about, I've had so many of those. 680 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: I was right there and I never got over the hump. 681 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: I never was And you know I had, I had 682 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: a moment or two, you know, the Super Bowl, let 683 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: me see Americo and all that kind of stuff. So 684 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,800 Speaker 1: you know I've I always said, humbly, they to be 685 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: still be relevant twentysoo years later. Um, that's something I 686 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,959 Speaker 1: don't take for granted, because there's a lot of cats 687 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: that y'all know that played with us, played after us, 688 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: and played before us, that people don't talk about, don't 689 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: know about name hip. All these Hall of famers get 690 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 1: those rings and get into all of fame, but nobody 691 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: knows about them. So for me to actually have something 692 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: people still talk about, still want to talk about, you know, 693 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: it's humbling and I appreciate that, But the end result 694 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: of it is, I think as a man, I had 695 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: to have something that I can identify for me that 696 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 1: was mine, that was my home. That I wasn't chasing 697 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: somebody else's dream. Wasn't chasing a ghost. I wasn't chasing 698 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 1: the the success of Randy Moss. I wasn't chasing the 699 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: success of my running mate Derek Mason. I wasn't chasing 700 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: everybody's expectations of me, you know. And I'm to be 701 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,439 Speaker 1: talked wrong. I'm just now getting there. And now I'm 702 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: just now realizing that as I'm doing all this writing 703 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 1: and things that that nature and talk about, I'm just 704 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: not understanding. And the last year or two, so this 705 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: is I've been retired since I was thirty. We're talking 706 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: fifteen years just right. And and as I think now 707 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: you're starting to hear more about the mental health, peace 708 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 1: and and all the stuff. They're some of our teammates 709 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: are former players and stuff are going through the CTE depression, 710 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: suicide and all that kind of stuff just makes you 711 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: pause for a second, like am I okay? You know? 712 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: And and and you're like, okay, so what am I 713 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: hanging on too? You know. And I still don't gonna 714 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: be wrong. I still got my faults, man, I still 715 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: have my struggles. My wifeould tell you that for sure, 716 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: but um it, but it's a it's an ongoing process. 717 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 1: And when I think it started with knowledge itself. And 718 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get to learn myself because you're talking 719 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: about forty some years of habit or history that I'm 720 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: trying to unfold, unpack and figure out. But you said 721 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: it in probably better terms out loud that I don't 722 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: know if I've ever shared with anybody, but to be told, yeah, man, 723 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: I feel like I've been chasing ghosts my whole life. 724 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: And and it's and it's only self inflicted. It's only 725 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: because of me. I don't Randy. Randy wasn't worried about me. 726 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: Mace wasn't worried about me. You know. Shoot, they were 727 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: doing the same thing. They're trying to make the most 728 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 1: of their careers, do what they could be their ability, 729 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: same thing. They weren't thinking about me. And here I 730 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: didn't worry about Dan. How I measure up? You know? So? 731 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: But yeah, man, that's deep. Man. He got me on 732 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: the therapy coution. Now I appreciate you. Yeah, he he, 733 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,439 Speaker 1: he is old and wise. You said you forty seven. 734 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: I think Rome fifty one. Yeah, I think Rome fifty 735 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 1: one with them suit TV war hearing the other night, 736 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,399 Speaker 1: boy he was clean with the with the turtle neck, 737 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: looking like a black Bruce Wayne I saw the other 738 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: night about Yeah, Tennessee Alabama pimps over there. All right, Look, 739 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: we're gonna take We're gonna take a quick break. We're 740 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: gonna pay some bills, and when we come back, we're 741 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: gonna have a couple of questions that, uh, hopefully you 742 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 1: can answer. You got the doctor and everything, Dr Dison. 743 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: So when I asked you a couple of questions that 744 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: a fifth grader should know, soun in. We'll be, we'll be, 745 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. You're the educator, So Joe College, 746 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: this Jesus for you. Now that we'll do, we'll do, 747 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: we'll be right back. All right. So now we're here 748 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: with Dr Kevin Dyson, wide receiver number one in the 749 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: two thousand what draft, two thousand three draft. Right, I'm 750 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: just trying to I'm just trying to, yeah, trying to 751 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,760 Speaker 1: put all these things together. Anyways, No, that's not important 752 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: now now we get to call him doctor. We are 753 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: going to make him, We're going to challenge him today 754 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: that we're gonna make you a little bit more nerve 755 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: racking here, right, So we're gonna kind of put it 756 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: all out there. And so defending your doctorate dissertation or 757 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: jumping out of an airplane with the Army Golden Knights, 758 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: oh oh wow. Um. I've done both, and I tell 759 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: you what they both were like bucket list. I never 760 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: thought I'd do it. Which one was more nerve racking? 761 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and jumping out the airplane? Good. I 762 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: don't blame you. That's the reason being is as as 763 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: because I was nervous wrecked when I was defending my 764 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: my dissertation. But my advisor, she stopped. She stopped me. 765 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: She said, Kevin, you know your research. Relaxed. This this 766 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: is this is not even like this is not playing 767 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: in the super Bowl, just you know it and talking. 768 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: Once you did that, I settled down and I was 769 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: able to defend my my research. But that jumping out 770 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: the plane, I had no control. So did you jump 771 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: out of and C one thirty? I don't remember what 772 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: the plane it was? Man. They probably told me. I 773 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: won't pay attention. My mind was like, man, I just 774 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: want to get to the ground. But I tell you what, 775 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: it's the most liberating experience I've ever had in my life. 776 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: And I was done. I want to go right back 777 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: up and I will go put you want to get 778 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: on that second question? Yeah? Yeah, so my question go ahead? 779 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, So my question to you, now, these 780 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: fifth grade of questions. You should know these. You have 781 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,760 Speaker 1: a doctorate, So no offense if you don't know. Storing 782 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: it out there doctor Dr Dyson Um who was the 783 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: sixteenth president? No presure, not states, no pressure. Who I'm 784 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: gonna go with Wilson Woodrow Wilson, I would have to 785 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: say that is incorrect, sir. It is Abraham Lincoln. Yeah, 786 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: all right, it's okay. Yeah, it wasn't. We weren't even 787 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 1: trying to trick you on that one. What is the 788 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: largest and deepest ocean in the world? Largest and deepest? Yes, 789 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 1: the Atlantic, both of them? Atlantic? Is that true? I 790 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: don't know. I wouldn't went with Pacific. Do we know 791 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: the answer? Peanut? Why you put it on me? I thought, 792 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: that's answer. You're supposed to know that. You're supposed to 793 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,839 Speaker 1: know the answer. To your questions, does your Pacific? Yes, 794 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: it is the Pacific. I know. Oh my god, you're 795 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: not terrible. Need I need a new co host? You 796 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 1: don't even know the answer to these questions? Well I 797 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: thought it was specific, but then he said Atlantic, and 798 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: I was like, I mean he does have a doctor. 799 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: Smart right now? I thought I didn't. Sometimes I don't 800 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: trust my lower level. I apologize. I don't tell my god. 801 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: All right, So the Statue of Liberty was a gift 802 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: from one country. Oh, I know this is too. Yes, 803 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 1: you got our oldest and longest uh ally world ally 804 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 1: from from the Europeans. Great job. All right. Who is 805 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: the author of the book To Kill a Mockingbird? Oh? Man, yeah, 806 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: that one. Give it to him. What you gotta he 807 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 1: buying that? Yeah? I don't know it and in his 808 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: mind he hey, here's the reason why. So you know 809 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: in that book they say some choice words and they 810 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: do you know you had to deal with that in school. 811 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: I had to deal with it, and I'm kind of 812 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,359 Speaker 1: I got all the characters names mentioned, I cannot remember 813 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: the author's name right now. Finch, I know Mr Finch 814 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: was one of the guys. Boom um, yeah, I forgot 815 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 1: you got me. See, maybe we should skip it and 816 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: then we'll come back to it. All right, we got 817 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,399 Speaker 1: one more question, if you know you want to get 818 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: on the last question. Yeah, so the Siens question, which 819 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 1: planning in our solar system is known for its beautiful rings? Saturn? 820 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: Bo All right, who is the author to kill a 821 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:58,439 Speaker 1: mocking Bird? Go? Oh man, I'm thinking all the character 822 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: I can't remember, you know, what's me messed up? I'm 823 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: gonna get off. You're not gonna google it. I'm gonna 824 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 1: walk out and like there it is. Watch you're gonna 825 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 1: tell them wrong? The Harper League, Harper League. Yeah, properly. God, 826 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 1: dang it, Harperly, that's what it is. I knew that's 827 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 1: what it is. That's my that's my did That's what 828 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: I was gonna say something, right, I dang it right, 829 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: I was gonna say that's it right there. You know 830 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 1: they thank they got that book band now from education 831 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: because of the words and the choice words. Yeah, deal 832 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,080 Speaker 1: with it too. Yeah, Dr Dyson, Man, I can't we 833 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,800 Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for just sharing your your story 834 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 1: with us about the league, education, the first year of retirement. Um, 835 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 1: just hey man, you you you blessed us today, and 836 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 1: I just want to say thank very much. I appreciate it. Um. 837 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: I love what you've done post football. You know, people 838 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: see you as a person not just a football player, 839 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 1: but you your principle of a high school man. That's 840 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,360 Speaker 1: that's big, that's that's powerful. I love that you reclaim 841 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,360 Speaker 1: your worth and just everything you're doing, and I'm wishing 842 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,800 Speaker 1: you nothing but growth success on this upcoming book that 843 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: you have. Hey, Kevin Man, I would like to say 844 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,399 Speaker 1: thank you too, bro, really just being an open book 845 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,360 Speaker 1: for us today and really sharing your emotions, your past, 846 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 1: things that you've been through which really led you to 847 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: this today and sharing with our listeners. So thank you, brother. Now, 848 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,800 Speaker 1: I appreciate yo, Man, I appreciate you'll give me on 849 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 1: the couch a little bit, and you know it's easier 850 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 1: to share that with guys that you feel like, you know, 851 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 1: you understand, you know what I mean, because y'all y'all 852 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 1: been there in your own women. Yeah yeah, um. And 853 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: again doing this podcast, I do one as well, UM 854 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,360 Speaker 1: similar to talk about transitioning um um through life because 855 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 1: people ask me about my story and so I've been 856 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,279 Speaker 1: doing something similar with my podcast and UM, I guess 857 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 1: I got a storytelling. I'm I'm appreciative y'all providing apportunity 858 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: to share it you no doubt we all got stories, 859 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: but thanks for sharing yours with us and being vulnerable. 860 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: Much respect Dot. You appreciate, you appreciate, I appreciate you. 861 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 1: Once again. Thank you to all the listeners for tuning in. 862 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 1: I want to ask you to spread the word and 863 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,240 Speaker 1: to give us a rating, a review, and a follow 864 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 1: on anywhere you pick up your podcast at, whether it's 865 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: Apple Podcast, our Heart Radio, Apple or wherever else you 866 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: tune in that for all your podcast thank you so 867 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,640 Speaker 1: much for joining us. Again. Shout out, we out of here, 868 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:37,839 Speaker 1: and we out