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Speaker 1: Of the interview. Oh yeah, I was said, sing, sayan uh,

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Speaker 3: Oh well it's working. I'm sorry I was in. I

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Speaker 3: was in a deep conversation, all right. So getting back

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, your.

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Speaker 3: Daughters, your your daughters are beautiful. They took a liking

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Speaker 3: to me. They were holding my hand, giving me hogs.

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Speaker 3: I love that stuff.

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Speaker 4: I love children.

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Speaker 3: But your son, m oh, my god. So this baby

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Speaker 3: I'm not naming names because I don't you know, I

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Speaker 3: but this being okay, oh so dj oh my god,

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Speaker 3: this baby six weeks old at the time, this little

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Speaker 3: tiny creature. I have been longing to hold a child.

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Speaker 3: I haven't held a baby in years. It's been years

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Speaker 3: because no one I know has children like tiny babies.

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Speaker 3: So the first thing when they get out of the van,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, am I allout to hold him?

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Speaker 1: Can I?

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Speaker 4: I ended up? Didn't. I ended up holding that baby

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Speaker 4: for like the whole time you guys were there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty much.

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Speaker 3: This kid has the strongest neck that I've ever witnessed

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Speaker 4: Just staring at me. Is this lady, This is not

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Speaker 3: But it was so nice because you know, I've seen

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's always to me. It's always a

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Speaker 5: So it's always good for that. I love I love

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a lot of fun and I was

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Speaker 4: Come back, we'll do it again.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. But I talked about your daughters.

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Speaker 3: Now some people may not know this, most do, but

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Speaker 3: your sons, your twins, are actually doing things in the business. Now,

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So Talenton Twell, they did a couple of things

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I get asked about them more

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Speaker 5: Listen. I'm not. I was nowhere near as over as

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Speaker 4: That was a great storyline, it was. It was intense

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were. I mean they were only they were

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Speaker 1: So that's about absolutely.

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Speaker 4: So let's talk.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk. Let's put you over and let's talk about you.

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Speaker 4: Who cares about your kids? I don't care about them.

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Speaker 5: I want to talk about you.

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Speaker 3: How are you feeling People might not know you had

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Speaker 5: You know, when the weather is cold, you know.

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Speaker 3: We didn't stretch before he came to see me, because

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Speaker 1: Dinner.

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Speaker 4: We were talking about all our ailments.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish I would have saw DDP first, be

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, I've seen testimonies from other people that

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Speaker 1: DDP has helped.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: There was just a new testimony by Butterbean where he

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Speaker 1: And I was like, man, if I would have went

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Speaker 5: May not you know, maybe oh.

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Speaker 6: You wouldn't have got the surgery. You're saying I wouldn't know.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if I would have. I'm not saying

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Speaker 5: Because I did. I tried everything possible before I had the.

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Speaker 5: So the only thing that was left was back surgery.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know they, I mean, look at the job

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Speaker 3: Your body is going through trauma every single time. It's

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Speaker 1: Well, God never intended your body to do things like that.

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Speaker 5: No man did.

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Speaker 1: Pro you know, we had to take each other down

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Speaker 4: It's just it. You know, everybody, well, if you trained.

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Speaker 3: You should be okay, and it's just like, dude.

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Speaker 4: No, you're not okay. You can take one bump your.

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Speaker 3: Whole life and you don't have to be a wrestler.

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Speaker 3: You can trip down the stairs and screw your whole

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Speaker 3: to you know, bump every night like you guys did,

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Speaker 3: You're gonna come across some health issues.

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Speaker 4: They're still going?

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Speaker 1: Which is still going?

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Speaker 3: I heard a little birdie, not so little big birdie

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Speaker 3: by the name of Bubba Ray Dudley, and he was saying,

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we talked about it.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you know that we're gonna give give you

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Speaker 5: So we're gonna hit the greatest hits.

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Speaker 1: It's got like Kiss, the rock group Kiss, you know

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Speaker 1: They weren't what Kiss was known for. The minute Kiss

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Speaker 1: now that's what me and Bubba was saying. You know,

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Speaker 1: we don't have to go out there and try to,

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Speaker 5: Let's just go out there and have fun and hit

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Speaker 5: the greatest hits.

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Speaker 4: Nostalgia. Nostalgia, that's what people want.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you could give it to them.

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Speaker 3: Can we see the what's up?

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe we'll do the what's up? When Bubba's up

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're just holding legs open.

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Speaker 5: Just holding them.

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Speaker 3: Hey, that's a good position to be in for a man.

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Speaker 4: Hold the woman's legs open. Or guy, if you're into that,

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Speaker 4: that's fine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah three D maybe, oh yeah, definitely three D, which

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Speaker 3: I told him the other day.

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Speaker 4: I would have taken that from you. Guys, no problem.

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Speaker 4: It never happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, never happened.

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Speaker 5: You got away.

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Speaker 1: You were protected, they got away. You were protected by

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Speaker 1: three of the toughest men in Shane Douglas, Bam Bam

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Speaker 1: Bigelow and Chris Candido.

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Speaker 5: So the Dudleys couldn't touch it at that point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But I also feel like if you came into the

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Speaker 3: with the Pippoles and I would have taken that from you.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean again, that would have been the Dudleys.

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Speaker 3: It was such gaga.

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Speaker 3: Come on, when I look back and I say to myself,

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Speaker 3: The other people were following the rules. The other companies

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Speaker 1: That's why we were That's why we were the Nevada

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Speaker 1: There's no different than Nirvana. Navana came when you know,

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Speaker 1: and it's like Oh my god. It's that Seattle feel

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Speaker 3: And did it very entertaining and fun.

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Speaker 5: Yep, So I forgot what the other question was.

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Speaker 3: When you look back at your career, it doesn't even

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Speaker 3: a part of you you were saying, like, you look

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Speaker 4: I cringe when I think.

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Speaker 3: Of that worst, the worst thing, or the worst angle

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Speaker 4: I'm like, what was I thinking? Like where did this

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Speaker 3: Anything that you've ever done that you look back and

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Speaker 3: you're just like, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, TNA, TNA Match pay per View, the fish Market,

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Speaker 1: Street Fight, fish Market, Yeah, Yeah, they had fish line,

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Speaker 1: they had fish on ice and nothing to that. This

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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with Curryman, who was Christopher Daniels

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Speaker 1: and shock Boy. Loved those guys, love working with them.

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Speaker 1: But I hated this. I don't like fish. I don't

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Speaker 1: real fish on ice, like like you had a fish market,

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Speaker 1: and of course you know people picking fish up and

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Speaker 1: throwing it and hitting people with it. I remember looking

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Speaker 1: at curry Man. I said, listen, do not hit me.

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Speaker 1: Would a guy with fish? I said, you do, it

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Speaker 5: Do not hit me. Do not hit me at all

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Speaker 5: with a.

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Speaker 3: Gimmick, Like, what's the point it was?

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Speaker 5: Vince russo Enough said, I.

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Speaker 4: Have never like.

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Speaker 3: Does that make sense.

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Speaker 4: To go to?

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Speaker 5: Well, it wasn't it. You had it was a regular match.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, go outside and take the fish and hit each

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Speaker 1: other as a weapon. Now that was where the rules were, Like,

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Speaker 1: oh it was It's like a street fight. There are

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: I would throw up, I threw out my wrestling gear.

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Speaker 1: Oh it was that bad.

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Speaker 3: What if somebody just picked up a fish and just

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Speaker 1: Well, Curry and Curry man Daniels a great but shock

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Speaker 1: boy forgot that. I said that to him, got caught

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Speaker 1: up in a moment and he took the fish hit me.

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Speaker 1: As soon as he hit me, I went, potato, goddamn fish.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm gonna have to look that match

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Speaker 3: up because I had never I've never even heard.

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Speaker 4: Of that one.

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Speaker 1: It was good. I hated that match to this day.

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Speaker 1: I said it was the worst match because again, I

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Speaker 1: something to Russo. I said, do we have to do

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Speaker 5: Oh, bro, it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good.

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Speaker 1: Bro, it's gonna be great.

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Speaker 5: I'm telling you people gonna love it. Bro, It's gonna

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Speaker 5: be great. And I'm like, you feel a ship.

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Speaker 1: He goes, no, Bubbas, he goes Bubbas, He goes Bubba's uh,

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Speaker 1: Bubba's cool with it.

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Speaker 5: I looked at Bubba, he goes.

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, Russo, you're lying. I was like, this

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Speaker 4: This How how many like big fish were there?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 3: Did they have boxes of fish around the ring?

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Speaker 1: Is that no, you ever go you ever go to

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Speaker 1: Chinatown or market. It was a fish market, you know,

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Speaker 1: like the little trade. The big trays that they had

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Speaker 3: Okay, so it was just like one one.

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Speaker 1: They had like a whole line of it. They had, yeah,

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Speaker 1: It was bad.

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Speaker 5: The smell was horrible.

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Speaker 3: The fans, like, I mean, did not.

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Speaker 1: Stars ships Nelson. He's never given me five stars, and

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's terrible.

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Speaker 1: But while people still talk about those matches today thirty

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Speaker 1: know what his problem was, but you know, hey, it

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Speaker 1: is what it is, yea his own what well, you know,

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Speaker 1: you two guys may see a wrestling match and love

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, okay, get to two. It may get

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Speaker 1: a two for me, but not not not everybody else

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like back then e c W never

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Speaker 5: Well, I know a lot of our guys didn't like him.

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Speaker 1: It was pissed off at him. But I also know

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Speaker 1: that you're right, none of us got any of those.

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Speaker 1: I will remember a lot of people thought e c

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Speaker 5: say what.

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Speaker 1: We were doing was garbage and this and that, until

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Speaker 1: the fans started catching on and watching and then showing

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00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 1: their love and support, and you could go to an

446
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: arena that wasn't an ECW show, but it was like

447
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: a w CW or WWE show where the fans would

448
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 1: hijack the show and start channel e CW. Right, you know,

449
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 1: it was then that people's eyes scided to wake up.

450
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 1: So you know, now some might not have believed in

451
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: what we were doing.

452
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 5: But that's fine. But again, what is it thirty forty years?

453
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 6: I'll go east thirty thirty forty I feel like it

454
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 6: makes me feel too.

455
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not quite close to it.

456
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 1: But people still talk about it, you know. It's it's

457
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 1: one of those things where it's unbelievable. Yeah, oh my,

458
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Speaker 1: can we.

459
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 3: Just can I just take this in right now? We're

460
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 3: so the fish. We're for those listening, Uh, we're watching

461
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 3: the fish Market street Fight right now from two thousand

462
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Speaker 3: and eight TNA destination x So, Buba's going for a

463
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 3: fish for shark boys.

464
00:22:59,720 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 4: Sharp.

465
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 3: He's going for a net to let y'all know. Oh,

466
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 3: Boba's moving to the fish. Okay, Oh, shark Boy's got

467
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 3: him in the net.

468
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: Okay.

469
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 4: Oh it's Curryman.

470
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 3: Oh I saw the Oh okay, I'm sorry. I thought

471
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 3: that was a fin on his head. Okay, So that's

472
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 3: Christopher Daniels. Oh yeah, now I see his eyes Okay, good,

473
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 3: and yeah he's he's uh oh he's dancing. Look at that. Yeah,

474
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:36,400
Speaker 3: Curry Man, I don't remember this gimmick dropping.

475
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 4: To the fish.

476
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 3: I would die gross, gross, gross gross.

477
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 4: That is disgusting. Far as far away could be away

478
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 4: from I don't think.

479
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 3: You imagine you're so excited for a pay per view.

480
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 3: You're a big t NA fan, you can't wait to

481
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 3: see the Dudley's Right. You buy a ticket, you're in

482
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 3: the front row, you think you got good seats, and

483
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 3: then they put a box of fish next to you,

484
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 3: and you gotta smell it for like twenty minutes. You

485
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 3: gotta which would linger probably for the next two hours

486
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 3: because it stinks.

487
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it sounds like it sounds like

488
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: some of my earlier dates up.

489
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 4: But enough to have to travel Lodge. I want to

490
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 4: get back.

491
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 3: To something that you said. You were saying that like

492
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 3: the Vets looked at us as like the Blood and

493
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 3: Guts company and too much and blah blah blah. I

494
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 3: remember we did a house show one night and we

495
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 3: it was like a mixed tag. We did right, and

496
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 3: we were doing all these like cool spots and this

497
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 3: and that, and I mean we probably had like maybe

498
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Speaker 3: five hundred two one thousand people in the building.

499
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Speaker 4: It was the house show.

500
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 3: Terry Taylor was there just visiting, and we come through

501
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 3: the curtain and he stops us and he looks at

502
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 3: all of us and he says, watch a work so hard.

503
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 4: I'll never forget this.

504
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 3: It blew my mind. And I said, excuse me, and

505
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 3: he goes, why'd you just work so hard out there?

506
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 3: It's a house show. I couldn't wrap my head around

507
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 3: that reasoning, and I said, point blank, I said, well,

508
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 3: you know, I said, if we drew five hundred tonight,

509
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 3: maybe they'll tell a friend and maybe next time we come,

510
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 3: we'll have a thousand people. Because we work hard. That's

511
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 3: what we do here. And he goes, well, he goes,

512
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 3: when we do the loop, we just do the same

513
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 3: match in every city and it's easy, and we save

514
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: our energy for TV. See now you're laughing. I you know,

515
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 3: And I wasn't a VET at this time. I'm still

516
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 3: kind of greed, so I didn't want to argue with

517
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 3: the guy, but I'm thinking, that kind of mentality is shit.

518
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 4: Why would you do that way.

519
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 5: We did something.

520
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: I didn't learn about that in terms of doing stuff

521
00:25:54,800 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: like that until I got the WWE right from the

522
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: eighties were still there late eighties, that is, and you know,

523
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 1: they had a lot of them had the same mentality

524
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: because it was the old.

525
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 5: School way of thinking.

526
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,719
Speaker 1: So the new school way of thinking like you were

527
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: describing how you felt about.

528
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 5: It hadn't really registered yet.

529
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: It was just that, you know, let's get out, let's

530
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: get through this match and get to the next town

531
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: and you know, get the TV with no injuries.

532
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 5: And that's just the way it was.

533
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. But as as a couple, you know, some time

534
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: went on, you know some of the vets. You know,

535
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: we would do somewhat similar the same match, but we

536
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: would change a little bit up right, you know, to

537
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: make it a little bit different because you never know

538
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: who drove, you know, three four hundred miles to the

539
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: next town, and you know you don't want them predicting

540
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: what we had already done in the town the night before.

541
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: So you know, it was always we changed it up

542
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 1: a little bit, not too much, just a little bit.

543
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 3: But that's and that's fine because we we we would

544
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 3: do like the same thing. We'd changed some spots here

545
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 3: and there. But to say, why did you work so hard?

546
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 3: To me, that's the first thing that came out of

547
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 3: his mouth when we came in the back. Why'd you

548
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 3: work so hard out there? And I don't thinking to myself,

549
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: why wouldn't we work hard? Like they bought a ticket

550
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 3: just like you would buy a ticket if it was

551
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: a pay per viewer or a TV taping.

552
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if Terry Taylor would actually agree with

553
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: that method now, being that he is one of the.

554
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 5: Producers and n XT.

555
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: And I say that because you know, you got to

556
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: teach these kids we have to work work hard for

557
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: what they do, not just to get the TV. So

558
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure Terry Taylor is being a producer on a

559
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: live events and this and that, I don't think he

560
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: has that same mentality anymore, even though he's not wrestling.

561
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: But again, I understand what he meant by that because

562
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: that was the way they did things back then.

563
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 5: Didn't make it necessarily make it right, yeah, but.

564
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, necessarily make it wrong, but didn't necessarily make

565
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: it right either. But that was just the way they

566
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: were able to save their bodies, you know, because remember

567
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: back then, being on the road for fifty days straight

568
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: or forty to fifty days.

569
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 5: Straight was normal.

570
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: Yes, So they were home maybe three to four days,

571
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: maybe a week if they were lucky.

572
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 5: So you know, they were.

573
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: Constantly traveling in out of cars, some airplanes and things

574
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: like that, so they were really trying to conserve their body. Yeah,

575
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: not really, but I definitely understand both ways. But I

576
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: understand Terry's logic and thinking of it, and I definitely

577
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: understand your way of lodge and thinking of.

578
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 3: It because that's what we did fifty five years ago

579
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: when we were just starting out.

580
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 5: Sixty.

581
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 4: We've been here for seven years since.

582
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: McMahon. Any comments, Oh man, did you hear about what's

583
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: going on?

584
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: I heard. I'm still shocked at a lot of stuff

585
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: that I've read and heard.

586
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 4: But you know.

587
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 5: Scene, I mean think I never saw it.

588
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: No, even though it was a producer, I've never seen

589
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 1: any foul play or anything like that. I wasn't the

590
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: ones that if foul play was going on or would

591
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: have been done in front of.

592
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: Me, you know, I was.

593
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: I wasn't part of the system in any way, shape

594
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: or form, if anything like that was going on, never

595
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: leg allegedly.

596
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 4: We don't know if it's true.

597
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 5: Oh No, I have no idea.

598
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 3: We're just do you think he's guilty?

599
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: Again, I don't know.

600
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. Hot seat, get it out of every guest.

601
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 4: I try to pull it. It's not there, it's not there.

602
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: It's fine.

603
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 5: Look. Sometimes we could sit here and say.

604
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: All day long that a person didn't do something swooping down.

605
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, some huge evidence or something

606
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: happened where that person is found guilty without a shadow

607
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: of a doubt. And they were like, wait a minute,

608
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: we would have never believed it in a million years,

609
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, And you know what happened. And there's some

610
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: people that are, you know, presume guilty, and yet the

611
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: evidence show that they weren't guilty. So you know, you

612
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: gotta let it play out in court and see what

613
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:11,719
Speaker 1: the judge thinks.

614
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 5: And I'm sure he's gonna be judged.

615
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: By you know, a good jury of his peers, and

616
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: and you know whatever, I think it's holding off in Connecticut.

617
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: You know, let them decide what they're going to do

618
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: with it and go from there. I mean, well know,

619
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: well know eventually whether it was true or not, and

620
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: even whether the verdict is guilty or not guilty. You know,

621
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: you know, if he was found innocent, you know, there'd

622
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: be a lot of people saying, I know he was guilty,

623
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: he was guilty and this and that it's still bad.

624
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 5: And he was found guilty. I knew it. I know,

625
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 5: you just never know.

626
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: Very pc answer, It's fine much yeah, what do you think?

627
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 4: Do you like it?

628
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not used to it. I'm used to

629
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: pan Shad Vents. I've never seen him with a mustache

630
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: or beard or go to or anything. And when we

631
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: first saw it, they kind of threw a lot of

632
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: this off and we I think, uh, one of the

633
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: other producers in the when I was working with WW

634
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: we were in the outside of the meeting and they

635
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: were showing me. I was like, what the hell, I said,

636
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: who is that? And they were like, I was like, what.

637
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 5: A fucking mustache?

638
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: Wow?

639
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 4: Travel out story? Do you have one?

640
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 5: I got several.

641
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 4: I know you have several.

642
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: Do you have one that you can share that's funny

643
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: off the top of your head. You don't have the

644
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: name names.

645
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 4: You can call them Larry Melan, Curly.

646
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: If you want not to put anybody in an awkward spot,

647
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: I gotta have one that you could.

648
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: Tell oh man, because I got besides me getting so drunk,

649
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: you know here it is. You know, I was, you know,

650
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: a small kid from book.

651
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 5: They never really did anything.

652
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: Never a small kid from Brooklyn.

653
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: Small kid from Brooklyn. I wasn't big.

654
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: I don't put Devon Dudley and small in the same category.

655
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 5: But okay, I didn't.

656
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: I didn't start gaining wait until really after my fourth

657
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: or fifth year in the wrestling and then when I

658
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: got to E c W, because that's when I started taking,

659
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: you know, taking training seriously. I should have took it

660
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: seriously back when I was starting, but I didn't. I

661
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: was just trying to learn how to wrestle.

662
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: Right right, So tell me the story.

663
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 4: You got so drunk. Where were we were?

664
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: We somewhere we were We had the travel arget and

665
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: we went that bar downstairs and I just remember not

666
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: ever going out drinking like that ever. And I had

667
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: to get carried out.

668
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 5: Of the bar up to my room. At least I

669
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 5: thought it was my room.

670
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: Somebody put me somebody else in the room, so I

671
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: passed out. I wake up and this guy goes, hey, Devon,

672
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: I go, what the fuck? I go, yeah, who the

673
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: hell are you?

674
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 5: Why are you in my room?

675
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: He goes, div you're in my room. I was like,

676
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: who the hell?

677
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 4: That was a rib?

678
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: I was like, you've been sitting here watching me sleep.

679
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: He goes, I didn't want to wake you.

680
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, who brought you up there?

681
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 4: Did you ever find ay all?

682
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 5: No, I don't got passed up.

683
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: I wonder because it's funny because we were talking about

684
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: this at dinner in Florida and Devon was like, man,

685
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: he goes, when I came to ECW the first time,

686
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: he goes, I was scared, he goes, I didn't do

687
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: any of the stuff y'all were doing. I go, I

688
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 3: didn't do it either, And I still didn't do it

689
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 3: when I Yeah, we drank, but we weren't part of

690
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 3: the drug crowd like our party and was going to

691
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: the bar and having a couple of cocktails and stuff.

692
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 3: But we you know, we weren't there smorting cocaine or

693
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: doing lines off the stripper.

694
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 4: I mean, I wasn't anyway.

695
00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't know anything about bills, nothing, right,

696
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: I knew nothing about that.

697
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was so cute.

698
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 4: He's like, oh my god, he goes.

699
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: I looked around and I was just so scared, and

700
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah.

701
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 4: But after a while, it just becomes like the norm.

702
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 3: And you know, we were all friends, but everybody had

703
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,959
Speaker 3: the clicks that they hung out with. If you didn't

704
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: do drugs, you didn't hang out with the drug people.

705
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: But we once we were in the locker room. We

706
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 3: all hung out together.

707
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: I mean it was great. So it was really cool,

708
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: like Transtance, you know. A guy, some kid came over

709
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: and looked at Sam and and said, is he all right?

710
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: And I was like, but I said, no, he's just drunk.

711
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: He's probably sleeping. The guy goes he's on next. I said,

712
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: I don't worry about it. As soon as his music

713
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: hit somebody that's happened, he'll get right up.

714
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 3: You know what's great? Yeah, And that's what's great about it.

715
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: Do you remember the night that Tammy started the fight

716
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 3: with the Mummers. You had to have been there, you

717
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: had to have been in it. She went outside in

718
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 3: the back in the parking lot, you know, out the

719
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 3: back door.

720
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 4: Remember the Mummers.

721
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: Were on top of where we were on top of

722
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: the arena, and she said something to one of the mummers,

723
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 3: and I think one of the mummers called her a

724
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: slut or something, and she caused a riot that night.

725
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: And I swear you and Bubba were there and everybody

726
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 3: ran out the door and started fighting the mummers.

727
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 5: No, I don't think I was there.

728
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: I swear you were there.

729
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,479
Speaker 5: If he gave me a year because remember we left,

730
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 5: we left.

731
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: I don't know what the year was. I swear you

732
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: were in there.

733
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 4: Knew Jack was was.

734
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 3: Like shanking people probably like it was a mess. But

735
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: there were three people who didn't go outside me Shane

736
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 3: Douglas and Hack Sandman and Sandman Status he was doing

737
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: lines of coke. Well, everybody was fighting, and man Shane

738
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 3: were looking out the window watching the fight. But everybody

739
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 3: because Tammy started this fight, and I sware you were

740
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 3: in it.

741
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: Yes, Sere, you guys were in it. I don't think

742
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 1: we were there for that one.

743
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna have to ask public if he remembers that,

744
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: because I vividly do and the whole locker room poured

745
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 3: out and just everybody was fighting in the parking lot.

746
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 5: Yeah.

747
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: I don't remember ever having getting into a fight, and

748
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: at the ECW Arena, I don't. I mean other places

749
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: I remember getting into fights like Staten Island or you know,

750
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: Lost Battalion Hall in Queens, but I don't remember getting

751
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: a fight at the e c W Arena with fans.

752
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 3: The fight the fights that you got in, was it

753
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 3: because of the promos that you and and Bubba, you know,

754
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: dictated because some of those were really.

755
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, the one in Staten Island was really raunchy and bad,

756
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: and if you could believe it, it even beat the

757
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: heat Waved ninety nine one, and you know the one

758
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: that we're most famous for. And somebody took a swipe

759
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: of Big Dick Dudley.

760
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 5: Why they do that?

761
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: He jumped the railing and went after the guy. And

762
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: next thing you know, me and Bubba goes, defont we

763
00:36:59,360 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: gotta go.

764
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 5: We got of go.

765
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: I was like, ship and I'm gonna I jumped the

766
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: rail and I went out to go. People are jumping

767
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: on us, swinging on us. So Bubba goes, Stevah, he

768
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 1: goes assume the position. I was like, here we go.

769
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 5: We turned to the ball, We talked back to the

770
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 5: back boom.

771
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: It was like a browroom fight with freaking Patrick Swayze

772
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: and Roadhouse all the people that.

773
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 5: It was freaking phenomenal.

774
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, the riot cops came

775
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: with the dogs and I was like, all right, stop

776
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: this ship, go back in the ring.

777
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 3: The riot cops came with the dogs, and the locker

778
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 3: room fled because how many people had shipped on crazy?

779
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 3: Do you want to plug your socials or any appearances

780
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 3: that you have coming up.

781
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be in Ohio and god.

782
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: Lockwood Chip, I'm there to this weekend, but this airs

783
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: after this weekend.

784
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 4: Are you there Saturday?

785
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm there too.

786
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: I'll see you.

787
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: Coffee.

788
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna be there.

789
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: Too, yep. About being chilicopy ohiographs and doing all of

790
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: that good stuff. And I'll also be at the big

791
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: event in Long Island me too, coming up.

792
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 5: Yep. I'll be there for that one, uh.

793
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: So and then the big one Wrestle Con weekend.

794
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 5: Yess on weekend, I'll be there for that one.

795
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 3: And icons and and Battleground at the area double duty.

796
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 3: I get to see Devon.

797
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 4: I'm so excited. I'll see you so many times.

798
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely, this is awesome.

799
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: I'm happy. Well, I appreciate you coming, Devonso.

800
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 4: Two timer now two.

801
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 3: We were aiming for the five time Club.

802
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: I have guess this is your got you.

803
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 3: No, you're not a two timer, Taylor down, He's not

804
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 3: a uh no like I think Shane Douglas. Shane I

805
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 3: think is the first one to be in the five

806
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 3: time Club. On Saturday Night Live, did you ever see

807
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: it with Steve Martin. He's like, I'm a five timer.

808
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 3: They do that, they have a VIP layout. Oh yeah, yeah,

809
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 3: so you're a two timer, so you have to come

810
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: on three more times to be in my club.

811
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 5: I'll be good to go. Yeah, ready to go whenever

812
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 5: you want.

813
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 4: I love you, buddy.

814
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for coming on again. I was so

815
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: happy to see you a couple of months ago. We'll

816
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 3: do it again when we can. But we'll let's hang

817
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 3: you out this weekend.

818
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: Coming up. I'm sorry, we'll hang you out this weekend.

819
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely sweet. I just gotta get me a

820
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: nice steak and I'll be good to go.

821
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe we can do dinner. Are you on the

822
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 3: night show too, because I'm not.

823
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 4: I'm just signing.

824
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: We're not in chilli coffee?

825
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 4: Oh you have a you have a you're driving somewhere else.

826
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 5: No, no about chilli coffee.

827
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, chilli coffee.

828
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 5: Oh there's a night show.

829
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 4: There's a night show.

830
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 5: I didn't know that.

831
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

832
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 3: They put me on the poster and they were like, oh,

833
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 3: she's doing the night show. I go, I am not

834
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: no way, And then I think they thought because I

835
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 3: was there, I would just graciously just do it for free.

836
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, no.

837
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 4: I was like, no, I don't know, that's not happening.

838
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 3: So after I sign them off, so maybe we can

839
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 3: do dinner or something.

840
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it. Let's get all right, I'll see

841
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: you there.

842
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 5: You gotta have my agent.

843
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: Yours is always.

844
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 3: Looking for you though. All right, everybody go follow him,

845
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 3: go go buy his Yes, there you go, all right, buddy,

846
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 3: I'll talk to you too.

847
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 5: A guy.

848
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:41,759
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