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Speaker 1: We continue on here at the NFL Combine twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: We're back on Radio row Casey Valley along. I'm Matt Taylor.

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Speaker 1: It's time down to talk about the Jacksonville Jaguars, the

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Speaker 1: reigning AFC South Champion Jacksonville Jaguars, with Jpece Shadrick from

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Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com Jaguar Insider JP. What's happened to man,

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Speaker 1: You're you're puffing your chest. I was gonna say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you gotta make sure you call the Jaguars the defending

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Speaker 1: AFC South Champion Jacksonville. It only happens once every five years.

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Speaker 1: It feels like you gotta get it while you can.

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Speaker 1: Now this one feels a little different though. I mean,

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Speaker 1: with the head coach situation and the quarterback playing like

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Speaker 1: some things before the start of free agency to move

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Speaker 1: some money around. I mean, this is not a one

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Speaker 1: trick pony, I don't think I don't think so too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, longevity wise, sustaining power. Is that the feeling

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Speaker 1: that the Jacksonville fan base has as well after last year,

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Speaker 1: Peterson's not going anywhere. Um. Trevor Lawrence is the guy,

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Speaker 1: and they've they've they've managed things well on the around

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Speaker 1: they built up and brought some players in, but certainly

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Speaker 1: last year with the wide receivers they brought in the

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Speaker 1: one year deal for Evan Ingram at tight end. That

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Speaker 1: worked out and sounds like that's going to work out again.

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Speaker 1: They'll they'll figure out a new contract for him, I believe,

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Speaker 1: probably before the new league year, maybe before we leave Indianapolis,

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Speaker 1: start of something that could be around for a while.

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Speaker 1: They still got some moves to make on defense, I believe. Um,

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Speaker 1: there were some some moments where they lacked some pass

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Speaker 1: They were in all those close games. They lost in

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Speaker 1: that happen to him again. It was Trevor holding on

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I think definitely helped that

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Speaker 1: call that JP? But I'm just I'm just saying, as

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Speaker 1: you can't have that anymore. The way those players can

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Speaker 1: they've been doing that in the NFL for a long time, right,

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Speaker 1: So these guys are making much more than you are,

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Speaker 1: about free agency. There's no trying to trade back up

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Speaker 1: the wealth. It's JP Shadrick with US Jaguars Insider. I

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Speaker 1: want to go back to something you said about how

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Speaker 1: How big was that, not only to get the win

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