WEBVTT - Thou Shalt Worship All Things Local

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, and welcome to everywhere. I am your host. Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>Scheffler Today's travel commandment thou shalt worship all things local.

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<v Speaker 1>The way I see it, travel is both a noun

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<v Speaker 1>and a verb. But for the most part, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we use it as a verb to travel, to explore,

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<v Speaker 1>to see, to escape, to lose yourself, to find yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>I think of it so much as a very busy

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<v Speaker 1>doing word. So perhaps that's why travel has a connotation

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<v Speaker 1>of leaving home for another place, another country, another city, upstate, wherever.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm also the biggest fan of traveling in my

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<v Speaker 1>own city. Maybe that's why I travel for me as

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<v Speaker 1>a noun, the concept of travel more than the doing

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Necessarily, As a New Yorker, I've slept in

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<v Speaker 1>roughly thefty hotels in Manhattan and a few in the

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<v Speaker 1>other borrows as staycations, because when you live somewhere, it's

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<v Speaker 1>so easy to forget all the beauty and excitement of

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<v Speaker 1>the actual place and why I chose to live there,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in a city like New York, because locals have

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<v Speaker 1>the joys of standing in line as a day trip

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<v Speaker 1>at the d m V somewhere in the Bronx to

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<v Speaker 1>get their driver's license, or having to do this crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>insane zig zag dance at the trade of Joe's and Chelsea,

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<v Speaker 1>which takes an entire afternoon, all fending off yet another

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<v Speaker 1>person accosting you to sign up for Dog Knows What.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh New York, The things you make me do. But

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<v Speaker 1>I have a serious love for a staycation. Let's call

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<v Speaker 1>that the noun of travel. And yes, staycation is a silly,

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<v Speaker 1>silly word, so let's rename it. Suggestions anyone, I'm taking

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<v Speaker 1>them at our email address, please. This desire for staying

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<v Speaker 1>in hotels in my hometown and for experiencing home almost

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<v Speaker 1>as a tourist, actually started for me as a young

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<v Speaker 1>boy right in London, maybe the greatest city on Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you've heard the saying, right, if you're tired

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<v Speaker 1>of London, you're tired of life. Well apparently I heard

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<v Speaker 1>that loud and clear, and I jumped right into it,

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<v Speaker 1>making sure that travel without travel Darling London was as

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<v Speaker 1>exciting as possible. This was my method at age eight,

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<v Speaker 1>and I haven't quit yet. As an eight year old,

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<v Speaker 1>my needs were centered around Zone one, which is truly

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<v Speaker 1>the center of London. By the time I was a teenager,

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<v Speaker 1>I was heading far east in the city, which in

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<v Speaker 1>the early two thousands was a place for Sunday afternoon

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<v Speaker 1>rave parties that's spilt onto the streets by Monday morning

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<v Speaker 1>as the city was heading to their respectable offices. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm an adult, or sort of an adult, all

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<v Speaker 1>of London feels like a staycation to me, but almost

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<v Speaker 1>as if I can't help it. I've always given all

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<v Speaker 1>my loving to old London Town, celebrating it like it's

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<v Speaker 1>my greatest journey yet. Top of the morning to you.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sunday afternoons of my teenage years were spent with

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<v Speaker 1>fat Boy Slim and duft punk, but at age eight,

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<v Speaker 1>my obsessions were more on the lines of Agatha Christie,

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<v Speaker 1>Rudia Kipling, the great Oscar Wilde and the original vampire

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<v Speaker 1>storyteller Bram Stoker are the writers of my early youth,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact writers all with a love for the

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<v Speaker 1>classic Brown's Hotel in London, discreet, understated and tipping into

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of Edwardian past. The hotels for the literary

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<v Speaker 1>minded lover of old England, forgotten Old England, perhaps ready

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<v Speaker 1>to take reservations for locals like us to come and sojourn.

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<v Speaker 1>With no great big staircase to dazzle or giant ballrooms

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<v Speaker 1>with crystal chandeliers. This property is just a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>silly old London town houses posing up to form an

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<v Speaker 1>intimate hotel. So it's a young lad, the bookworm, as

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<v Speaker 1>they called me. I easily found my nook ride at

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<v Speaker 1>the fireplace in the front room. For the next twenty

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<v Speaker 1>plus years. The rooms decor changed every few years, but

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<v Speaker 1>the fireplace stayed in my nook remained mine. Mother appreciated

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<v Speaker 1>a staycation as much as I did, and where better

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<v Speaker 1>than a hotel where writers came, spent nights and wrote

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<v Speaker 1>their overtures. As an English major, she approved. In the

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<v Speaker 1>early years, I was so overwhelmed by the Jungle Book

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<v Speaker 1>and would stay awake many a night just imagining myself

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<v Speaker 1>as Mowgli in the forests of India, embarking on these

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<v Speaker 1>tree swinging adventures, all the while staying in the what

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<v Speaker 1>they now call Kipling Suite, named after yours truly because

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<v Speaker 1>this is exactly where Mr Bling was when he was

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<v Speaker 1>letting his mind travel to magical lands like I did.

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<v Speaker 1>But really, to be serious, it was Agatha Christie's character

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<v Speaker 1>Miss Marple, who in my mind was more of like

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<v Speaker 1>a Betty Davis than the scowling Margaret Rutherford. And I

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<v Speaker 1>guess we have to include bothersome Hercule Poirot, who taught

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<v Speaker 1>me about crafting interesting stories. I was mesmerized and followed

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<v Speaker 1>these two characters in the worlds that Dame Agatha Christie

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<v Speaker 1>created to solver who done it. I was, and I

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<v Speaker 1>still am, the proverbial amateur sleuth. It's annoying to most

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<v Speaker 1>of my friends when we traveled, because I'm always Nancy

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<v Speaker 1>Drewing or being a hardy boy and trying to uncover

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<v Speaker 1>something that may or may not have happened. I'll sidetrack

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<v Speaker 1>you for a minute to tell you a funny little story.

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<v Speaker 1>Just the other day, we were staying at this giant,

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<v Speaker 1>fancy hotel in Disney, Florida, were shipping all things local Orlando,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, like that blazing sun, when it became clear

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<v Speaker 1>to us that something was amiss. Deep in the night,

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<v Speaker 1>a woman was sitting at a little little desk with

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<v Speaker 1>an iPad. She was dressed in nothing memorable, and she

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<v Speaker 1>was handling the iPad in a normal Ipadian way. What

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<v Speaker 1>was odd was that she was sitting outside one of

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<v Speaker 1>the hotel rooms, right in the hallway. We walked by

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<v Speaker 1>a number of times in that I'm pretending to not look,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm looking kind of way, mumbling your room number one,

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen one sixteen, over and over. Right, we've all done that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sex trafficking, said one friend another. Drugs, definitely drugs. I

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<v Speaker 1>know drugs when I see drugs. I felt more Nancy

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<v Speaker 1>Drewish at this point, so I was going with something wilder,

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<v Speaker 1>like she was checking people in for a gambling ring,

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<v Speaker 1>like Molly Bloom would. Of course, this was hours of

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<v Speaker 1>speculation and fun for everyone. Well, my friends found out

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<v Speaker 1>what was really going on the next morning, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was good. Even Miss Marple would have never suspected this.

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<v Speaker 1>A royal family from Africa was staying in a villain nearby.

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<v Speaker 1>The staff happened to be staying at our hotel. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>what would royal families from African countries do when in Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>They would shop, So our lady behind the desk was

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<v Speaker 1>cataloging all their many, many purchases. Miss Marple would have

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<v Speaker 1>been flummixed. But back to London and Agatha Christie, who

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<v Speaker 1>in her novel At Bertram's Hotel, which is said to

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<v Speaker 1>take place at the Very Brown's Hotel, had Miss Marple

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<v Speaker 1>calling it the perfect mix of Edwardian and Victorian atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>Just think about but that even means if you're even

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<v Speaker 1>a slight anglophile. She was commenting on the prim staff

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<v Speaker 1>and elderly guests, and I am sure so many other things.

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<v Speaker 1>So here I am in my nook uttering similar sentiments

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<v Speaker 1>from my nook. I transported myself to Bertram's and I

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<v Speaker 1>played the part of Miss Marple, thinking I could solve

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<v Speaker 1>this murder mystery. In the very hotel I was staying.

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<v Speaker 1>The creaky staircase, the gaunderous hallways, secret passages between the

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<v Speaker 1>town houses, even the back entrances became movie sets in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind, all this fun without really going anywhere. See,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I'm telling you. Travel is whatever you

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<v Speaker 1>decided should be. And to this day, this is still

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<v Speaker 1>my tradition. As I returned to the hotel every year,

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<v Speaker 1>I stealthily watch every guest who enters the tea room.

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<v Speaker 1>I pay careful attention to how they stir their cups

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<v Speaker 1>of tea. I even lean in to overhear their conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>At night, I peek through the curtains and look down

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<v Speaker 1>on the abandoned London street, wondering who's coming in and

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<v Speaker 1>who's leaving through the doors of this grand old hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>Over twenty years, it's here that I developed a taste

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<v Speaker 1>for murder mystery and for meticulously using clues to solve

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<v Speaker 1>my puzzle. I was taught just how to observe human behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is that lady with the oversized handbag looking at

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<v Speaker 1>her watch? Was that Bellhart pocketing something he received from

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<v Speaker 1>a guest who left the hotel in such a rush.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe life is all just a murder mystery. But there

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<v Speaker 1>are other ways to worship all things local too, like

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<v Speaker 1>traveling to a place and making it your mission to

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<v Speaker 1>find something so niche and appropriately of the place that

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<v Speaker 1>you can become a little expert. Like going to Japan

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<v Speaker 1>and learning anything you can possibly learn about much at

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<v Speaker 1>tea culture or incredible denim. What if you go to

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<v Speaker 1>Argentina and become this tango expert, exploring different styles, outfits

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<v Speaker 1>drinks to go with your dancing. You're getting my drift right.

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<v Speaker 1>While I chose something I knew nothing about. That's usually

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<v Speaker 1>how I choose my niche activities, not something obvious or

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<v Speaker 1>something I've been interested in before, but rather something totally

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<v Speaker 1>of my usual course of interest, And so I hopped

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<v Speaker 1>south to Madeira, Portugal's southern island, where the tradition of

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<v Speaker 1>embroidery is not only continuing for centuries, but is constantly improving.

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<v Speaker 1>Who would have thought that the home of Christiano Ronaldo

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<v Speaker 1>would open up embroidery to me during my quest for embroidery, linen,

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<v Speaker 1>and all things lazy. I also found a place quite

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<v Speaker 1>like no other. The world has fewer and fewer grand

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<v Speaker 1>dumb hotels left, but here on the cliffs of Madeira's capital,

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<v Speaker 1>form shall, I found Red's Palace, a hotel that withstood

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<v Speaker 1>two wars and the crush of social media, offering a

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<v Speaker 1>gig like me, an entire collection of all things embroidery. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so picture this a whole room with glass cabinets filled

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<v Speaker 1>with special embroidery. The hotel did for visiting dignitaries, every

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<v Speaker 1>possible royal family member from Europe, Hollywood starlets, and scary politicians.

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<v Speaker 1>I just settled in at a little table with a

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<v Speaker 1>handy magnifying glass and my little gloves when I noticed

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<v Speaker 1>an elegant lady dressed in navy and a little heel,

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<v Speaker 1>walking over to the notice board near me. She seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to pin something on and off she marched with a

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<v Speaker 1>gleaming smile, throwing my way. Of course. Within seconds I

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<v Speaker 1>was up and scrutinizing the notice born seeking card player

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<v Speaker 1>of excellent skill, willing to play bridge, canaster and rummy

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<v Speaker 1>Games Room, five pm sharp. Sincerely miss edith Ainslie. Of

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<v Speaker 1>course for my show, I changed her name out of deference.

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<v Speaker 1>I cleared my busy embroidery schedule immediately. At moments to five,

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<v Speaker 1>I rolled up at the games room, dressed in a blazer.

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<v Speaker 1>At least, the softly lit, carpeted room was overly quiet,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was this cool breeze coming off the ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>The balcony doors were flung open, and there was this

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<v Speaker 1>mystery woman seated at a four seater card table facing

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<v Speaker 1>the sea. I miss edith Ainslie, and I hope you've

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<v Speaker 1>come to play cards with me this evening. She rung

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<v Speaker 1>a small buzzer on the table and informed me that

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<v Speaker 1>someone will be by shortly to offer me provisions her advice,

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<v Speaker 1>a pink gin, of course, and no cell phones please,

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<v Speaker 1>She added, Oh, and now since we're card companions, she

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<v Speaker 1>offered that I'm I call her Edith. So Edith no

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<v Speaker 1>longer placed any orders. Every staff member knew exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>she'd have and went precisely to deliver it to her

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<v Speaker 1>part of the furniture, as only I could wish. Her

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<v Speaker 1>hands rolled like she had worked casinos her whole life.

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<v Speaker 1>Please grace me with your presence, she smiled. I sat

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<v Speaker 1>down and I didn't get up for three hours. We

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<v Speaker 1>worked our way through most serious canaster of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>She killed me every round. I was a mere jack

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<v Speaker 1>in her game of aces. Baby. So Edith had been

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<v Speaker 1>a guest of Red's Palace since n and this was

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<v Speaker 1>not her first rodeo on some young one on the cards.

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<v Speaker 1>At nearly a hundred, she spends the majority of a

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<v Speaker 1>year at the hotel. As she says, when the English

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<v Speaker 1>weather turns miserable, I swooped down to the island. Her

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<v Speaker 1>mind was filled with the past. Yes, of us, I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate embroidery, Edith kept telling me. In fact, I have

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<v Speaker 1>my very own set of linen here at the hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>They hand embroidered it for me, not too much, just

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<v Speaker 1>simple patterns that I could tolerate. She told me about

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<v Speaker 1>her childhood and her husband who passed away many years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>her love for little dogs and gin. And then she

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<v Speaker 1>told me how many years ago Sir Winston Churchill arrived

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<v Speaker 1>at the hotel slightly unannounced. If you could believe that, well,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, I offered him my sweet after all, this

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<v Speaker 1>feels like my home, and it's awful queen and country,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it, And so we quickly had special linen hand

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<v Speaker 1>embroidered for him here in town. Of course, it was

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<v Speaker 1>the talk of funchal even Edith was worshiping all things

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<v Speaker 1>local in every possible way. As I said this to her,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, why, yes, that is what you do when

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<v Speaker 1>you travel. You smoke locals cigarettes, drink local wine, even

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<v Speaker 1>if they are both terrible, and you never hobnobbed with

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<v Speaker 1>other tourists. I of course invited Edith to join me

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<v Speaker 1>for dinner, which was this lavish affair under a cloudy,

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<v Speaker 1>frescoed ceiling sky. Can you say the words snazzy. I

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<v Speaker 1>had a dinner jacket, she had a divine dress, and

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<v Speaker 1>we had this appetite for twirling. Edith was still the

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<v Speaker 1>gem on the shiny sea of dancing and my dream

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<v Speaker 1>hotel guest. As we whilst we romanced all things from

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<v Speaker 1>the past in our simple movement, we could trip the

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<v Speaker 1>light fantastic as I worshiped the now local herself. I

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<v Speaker 1>dressed for both myself and the atmosphere, Edith said, And

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<v Speaker 1>with that, Edith's cup overfloweth offering just a peep into

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<v Speaker 1>the bygones. The ocean was her company with simply the

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<v Speaker 1>quiet lull of afternoon teas served on the very the

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<v Speaker 1>and the mountains slightly covered with mist was the entertainment.

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<v Speaker 1>Days were unnamed and unnumbered evenings all wobbling into one.

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<v Speaker 1>Smoking wasn't banned for anyone yet, and drinking before noon

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't even beheld. Problems were Atlantic oceans away, and attention

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<v Speaker 1>spans stretched into eternal summers of loving. Meeting someone like

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<v Speaker 1>Edith is the very reason anyone should travel. There's an

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<v Speaker 1>Edith at every old world hotel. She's to be found

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<v Speaker 1>on the dance floor, at the dinner dance, or at

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<v Speaker 1>the card table in the game's room. And it's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>there over a chop chop game of bridge, where you'll

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<v Speaker 1>be in the moment without having to think about it

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<v Speaker 1>too much. She'll talk and you'll actually want to listen,

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<v Speaker 1>not way to speak. She'll remind you to make time

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<v Speaker 1>for beauty and laughter. She's the original hostess to a

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<v Speaker 1>good time. Her wit will ensure it in every hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knew Madeira the hidden middle sister of Portugal? Home

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<v Speaker 1>to Edith. It's in fact where the literati British delightfulness

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<v Speaker 1>came to elude Europe's glitzy sets in London's pell Mell Pace. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>Maderia holds exactly the same charm beyond the afternoon tea

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<v Speaker 1>and fancy silverware. So leave your technology, behave like a local,

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<v Speaker 1>dress like you care, and come waltz through the past.

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<v Speaker 1>So fair. Let's take a break to hear from our

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<v Speaker 1>sponsors and we'll be right back with more travel from everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for sticking around. Here's more of everywhere. I'm here

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<v Speaker 1>with Harlly Fry, who I tripped the light fantastic with

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<v Speaker 1>two all the time. I've yet to waltz with her,

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<v Speaker 1>but the days could happen. It could happen at any moment.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that I think is interesting. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you spent time living in London. How much

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<v Speaker 1>did you engage with its history while you were there, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have a favorite historical spot? I have a few.

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<v Speaker 1>What are they? Well, I have this thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>really love, Jack the RiPP Um, as do many. I've

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<v Speaker 1>gone on these like crazy historical walks where you can

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<v Speaker 1>like seeing all the places that Jack the Ripper killed people,

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<v Speaker 1>which is so macombon amazing. But that's London Town well

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<v Speaker 1>because it's so old, right, I mean it's literally hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>and hundreds and thousands really if you want to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to like its earliest foundings of years old. So

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<v Speaker 1>almost any human experience you can imagine has happened there

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<v Speaker 1>at some point in time. That's why there's been plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of maccab things to explore if that's your jam. So

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<v Speaker 1>I have that, And then the Victorian Albert Museum so good,

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<v Speaker 1>so good. And then there's stupid little things that I love,

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<v Speaker 1>Like there's like a Princess Diana plaque in one of

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<v Speaker 1>the parks and I walked by, and I think she

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<v Speaker 1>was such a beautiful representation of grace and good manners

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<v Speaker 1>that it's like a lovely reminder to walk past the

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<v Speaker 1>park and see this kind of historic like new historic thing. Yea,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's that. And then did you know that London

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<v Speaker 1>has these underground tunnels? Oh yes, of course that you

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<v Speaker 1>can go and tour and all of London used to

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<v Speaker 1>be one surface lower, so it's been raised over time.

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<v Speaker 1>Even the Mona Lisa is falling apart. We're all thinking

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<v Speaker 1>in some way or another, Right, I love fight Club. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing that I think is interesting is you

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<v Speaker 1>can find almost anything in London, like I said, to

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<v Speaker 1>represent some part of some human experience. That might be

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<v Speaker 1>your thing. I know you do not like lists, but

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<v Speaker 1>I have not a list, but just a few things

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<v Speaker 1>that are examples of the kinds of things that people

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<v Speaker 1>could explore should they want to. Did you know that

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<v Speaker 1>you there is a service online that will show you

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<v Speaker 1>where all of the plague pits of London words, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can just walk around and find them based on

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<v Speaker 1>a plague pit. Right, It's quite fantastic. Like they even

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<v Speaker 1>have a full social media representation, so you can go

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<v Speaker 1>check out Historic UK on Twitter and they will show

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<v Speaker 1>you where plague pits are. I mean, in many cases,

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<v Speaker 1>what you're going to go see is obviously not an

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<v Speaker 1>active plague pit, Like it's not gonna be a hole

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<v Speaker 1>in the ground, things have been built up over it.

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<v Speaker 1>As you said, the city has shifted in many ways.

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<v Speaker 1>But for me it's always important because I like history,

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<v Speaker 1>even if they're not necessarily visible examples immediately available to

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<v Speaker 1>my eye. Just to take a quiet moment and stand

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<v Speaker 1>in a place like this and recognize that you are

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<v Speaker 1>in the same place where something significant happened is can

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<v Speaker 1>be sometimes very humbling, very moving, but also there's just

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<v Speaker 1>like a part of it to me that it's like

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't to diminish the sadness of something like a

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<v Speaker 1>plague pit, but like it's really neat that we have

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<v Speaker 1>the information available to us that we can travel the

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<v Speaker 1>world historically as well as just geographically. Well close to

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<v Speaker 1>where I spend a lot of time in Permlico Road

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<v Speaker 1>is where the original Chelsea Bun House, where Chelsea Buns

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<v Speaker 1>were invented, and that you can go and find in London,

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<v Speaker 1>like so things that are seemingly silly, it's all part

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<v Speaker 1>of like London history. Yeah, I mean you can also

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<v Speaker 1>go visit, uh the place where the execution doc used

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<v Speaker 1>to be located, where pirates were hung. Also another fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>thing and the thing that I love about these is

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<v Speaker 1>like there's there's no cost to it. You can just

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<v Speaker 1>looking up online and you're often running do you know

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<v Speaker 1>about the blue plaque thing? So you've probably seen them

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<v Speaker 1>because you lived there and they've been there for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. The Blue Plaques of London are like historical markers.

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<v Speaker 1>It was started in the eighteen sixties actually like this

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<v Speaker 1>idea of having these particular plaques that will mark historically

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<v Speaker 1>significant places where particularly historically significant people did things. And

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<v Speaker 1>the fun thing is you can just walk around London

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<v Speaker 1>and if you have an eye out for them, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see them on various buildings and it it might give

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<v Speaker 1>you, you you know, an interesting point of reference. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>they're more than nine hundred of them around London, so

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<v Speaker 1>odds are good. No matter what neighborhood you're going, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna spy one. The group English Heritage actually runs it

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<v Speaker 1>now and they have even made an app so that

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of interactive and you can one. It will

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<v Speaker 1>help you find things if you're looking for particular types

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<v Speaker 1>of historical places, um like if you want to look

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<v Speaker 1>at the plaques that mark women who are involved in

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<v Speaker 1>the suffrage movement, you can literally make your own tour

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<v Speaker 1>that way or you know, literary people or any number

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<v Speaker 1>of other things. But also you get like a little

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<v Speaker 1>free education basically along the way. And again it costs nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>You just go run around the city. You don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to pay for a tour. It's all self guided. You

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<v Speaker 1>stop and have lunch when you want. But you can

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<v Speaker 1>get like this way deeper understanding of the area, even

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<v Speaker 1>if you just want to keep it like the neighborhood

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<v Speaker 1>or your hotel is there were going to be plaques

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<v Speaker 1>there almost definitely, and it just again it gives you

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<v Speaker 1>that sense of like we're all part of something bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about that all the time, that our place

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, our place in the world is that

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<v Speaker 1>we're all making history in some way or another. We

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have to sit in a seat of government

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<v Speaker 1>or be you know, part of a royal family. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>is part of the story of history and this is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a nice way to engage with that. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I really love about it. It makes history

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<v Speaker 1>way more real when you're standing in the place where

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<v Speaker 1>it happened. I have to sweet London stories to tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that I love most about London

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<v Speaker 1>is that did you know as much as I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>uber slash lift person, black cabby drivers do a rigorous test.

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<v Speaker 1>When you want to become the famed black cab driver,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to do a test called the Knowledge and

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<v Speaker 1>it involves memorizing every single street in the entire capital.

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<v Speaker 1>Believe it, you cannot make a mistake. So their knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>is when you get into a black cab, you can

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<v Speaker 1>give them any street and they would be able to

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<v Speaker 1>find it. Love it. The other amazing thing I have

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you is I used to spend a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of time in Permlico and Warwick Square and one day

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<v Speaker 1>I saw this man and he had falcons on his

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<v Speaker 1>arm in the park and he told me that he

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<v Speaker 1>runs the Falcon Society off London, like these are just

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<v Speaker 1>random people in the city. And I was like, how

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<v Speaker 1>many falcons are about to arrive on your arm? And

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<v Speaker 1>he was like three and three falcons like swooped down

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<v Speaker 1>and like sat on his arm, and he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I am here to train anyone who would like to

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<v Speaker 1>learn about falconry. They live in the Tower of London,

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:19.440
<v Speaker 1>which there's other birds that live there too, but these

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<v Speaker 1>particular falcons live there. And he told me this like

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<v Speaker 1>insane story about what he does with the falcons. He

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<v Speaker 1>trains them to send messages. That's fantastic. That's like old

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<v Speaker 1>world London and you can go and experience that. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's the stuff that I really love about London, Like

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:37.320
<v Speaker 1>it has a little something local for everyone. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>the obvious Bangers and Mash wonderful pub on the corner,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also all this other weird stuff that's like fascinating. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really think, like what's beautiful about it? I

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<v Speaker 1>mean we both just talked about a bunch of things

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:53.040
<v Speaker 1>that have no like admission ticket or booking time required.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you really have to do is just keep your

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<v Speaker 1>eyes open. That history is still living all over London. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>what else should we talk about? Holly, give us more

0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:06.879
<v Speaker 1>London history things. I have a slightly more modern history

0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:11.359
<v Speaker 1>thing that is actually am It's like a warehousing museum,

0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 1>but it's very much up my alle of fun. It

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<v Speaker 1>is called God's Own Junkyard. Yeah, it's the best. It's

0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:20.520
<v Speaker 1>a Neon museum. It's just old Neon signs that have

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<v Speaker 1>been decommissioned, but they're cared for and kept active and

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<v Speaker 1>taken care of and to me, that's another great way

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of look at a city's history because commerce

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<v Speaker 1>drives development in almost any big city in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and as a consequence, you really get a sense of

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<v Speaker 1>what things have been important in terms of being economic

0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 1>drivers in a city at various points in time, versus

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<v Speaker 1>what things have fallen out of favor, And to me,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like part of the great thing. But also it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a great place to go because you get a

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<v Speaker 1>big sense of how artistic styles have shifted over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>which again kind of informs your knowledge of like local flavor.

0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 1>And it's just I like sparkly things anyway, So from

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:06.600
<v Speaker 1>that angle, its beautiful, but it is just a fun

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:08.919
<v Speaker 1>it's kitchy. But then when you think about it in

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:12.159
<v Speaker 1>those terms about like what it's telling you about what

0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:16.119
<v Speaker 1>has been popular in and necessary in the past versus

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 1>what has also become passe, it becomes an interesting exploration

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 1>of the local history of the area. Right. Well, there's

0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:27.720
<v Speaker 1>this thing called Secret London where there's like all these

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<v Speaker 1>strange like fighting lane yeah, right, and like French cannons

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:37.440
<v Speaker 1>as street ball ods. Like I love that London has

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:40.480
<v Speaker 1>and celebrates all this weirdness where like I feel so

0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 1>many other cities are trying to modernize in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that they lose all the silliness, Like I really miss

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<v Speaker 1>living in America, Like I really missed the kind of

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:53.440
<v Speaker 1>wittiness and silliness of British humor because the stuff is

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<v Speaker 1>seen as so much part of the culture and so

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<v Speaker 1>much part of of being local London that it's really

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<v Speaker 1>really celebrated. New York doesn't celebrate that thing, right there

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:08.159
<v Speaker 1>are I feel like there are pockets of that type

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<v Speaker 1>of celebration throughout the United States, but I don't feel

0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 1>like any one city really has it as part of

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:18.000
<v Speaker 1>its identity the way London. Like London has the Clown's Gallery,

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:21.399
<v Speaker 1>which is a tiny, tiny, little weird museum about the

0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:25.880
<v Speaker 1>famous clowns, because who doesn't want to see that, which

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:31.159
<v Speaker 1>is great and super fun, wonderfully odd, great way to

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 1>spend an every mean, they even have like carrying Potter's

0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 1>platform nine and three quarters. That's a real thing that

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:42.400
<v Speaker 1>they've put in at King's Cross. But no other city

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:45.120
<v Speaker 1>will actually go and implement that, right, Like you can

0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:49.280
<v Speaker 1>go and see where Harry would get onto his fictitious train, right,

0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I fucking love that. I love it as

0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 1>another museum that I think is super cool and I

0:28:58.320 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 1>have not been to this one, but it is on

0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 1>my list to go when I am next. There is

0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:05.479
<v Speaker 1>pollockx Toy Museum. Do you know that one? Because I

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:09.200
<v Speaker 1>love toys and my husband and I collect toys. Um,

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:12.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, I have a little problem and it's largely

0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Victorian toys. But it's a museum and a little toy shop.

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 1>That's again a great way to look at the history

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 1>of a place, like what was marketed to children along

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 1>the way. I mean, I think about when the people

0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 1>of a hundred years from now look back at like

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 1>game Boys, what on earth will they think of us? Similarly, though,

0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 1>we have the opportunity to look back at like Victorian

0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 1>England and be like what, why, why did you give

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:41.479
<v Speaker 1>your child back? But also, you know, there are so

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>many beautiful, precious, innovative things that were made simply for joy.

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean that speaks a great deal to like the

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:54.640
<v Speaker 1>values of a time period. Well, I guess with Brexit

0:29:55.240 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 1>and the kind of uncertainty that's been in British politics

0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 1>for such a long time, one wonders what London now represents.

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:09.239
<v Speaker 1>So many people have left, others are fighting for this

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of staunch Britishness, but that identity is being challenged.

0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:18.360
<v Speaker 1>So it's very much what is Britain versus what is

0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 1>London like? And London is somehow caught up in the

0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:24.440
<v Speaker 1>crossfire of all this because it's the capital. But to me,

0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 1>London is so different to what anyone thinks England is.

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:32.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's probably part of the problem, but it's

0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 1>the the way that New York is not America. It's

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:39.640
<v Speaker 1>it's very own thing. London is very much then and

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 1>growing up spending so much time there, it's this reminder

0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:48.760
<v Speaker 1>of like everyone's there and everyone's part of this beautiful thing.

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 1>With every single person, you could possibly imagine every iteration

0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 1>of human anyway, Well, thanks Holly, I love spending time

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 1>with you for history. Holly's your girl. Yeah, you can

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.479
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<v Speaker 1>back with more travel from everywhere trade tables up. You're

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 1>returning to everywhere land. Welcome back. I have a few

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 1>interviews for US today, starting with my friend and neighbor

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Jessica Galen, who knows cheese. In fact, she has a

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 1>master's and cheese from n y U. Tell us, Jessica,

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<v Speaker 1>why why do people travel for cheese? Well, cheese is

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 1>an incredible representation of place. It's one of the most

0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 1>beautiful all expressions of taroar. People talk about it with

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 1>mine all the time, but she's is such a piece

0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:11.360
<v Speaker 1>of the place that it comes from. If it's made

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 1>with care and it's made by artisans who are attending

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:17.400
<v Speaker 1>well cared for animals and well cared for pastures. So

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 1>the really exciting thing about American cheeses is that there's

0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:25.200
<v Speaker 1>been this tremendous exploration of what it means to have

0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 1>American tarar through cheese. It's one of the few categories

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 1>of food where tar has been explored in the US

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 1>in every single state. So that's an exciting opportunity for

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Americans who are looking for a local food experience. Well,

0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 1>because people go to France to go and eat cheese

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 1>right like a pilgrimage to cheese. Many Americans travel full

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 1>niche products. They travel for wine. They make a pilgrimage

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 1>full whiskey to Scotland, or they do a pilgrimage to

0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Germany for beer. Right, and maybe some people would do

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 1>a pilgrimage to Spain for the cured meats. So my

0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 1>whole thing is that I think we could send people

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:12.960
<v Speaker 1>on a journey of America through cheese. I love it

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:18.120
<v Speaker 1>because I've gone to Montreal to buy cheese back because

0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 1>you can find all this incredible raw I'm pasteurized cheese.

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 1>But you corrected me today when I asked you whether

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:28.760
<v Speaker 1>you can get raw cheese in America because I thought

0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:32.080
<v Speaker 1>everything had to be pasteurized. You can. And two of

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:35.240
<v Speaker 1>the three cheeses that we're having today are raw. Okay,

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 1>So why would I want raw cheese opposed to pasteurized. Well,

0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 1>pasteurization kills all of the bacteria, all of the microbial

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 1>life in the milk, which was an incredible public health

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 1>innovation when it came into popularity before getting very very

0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 1>sick from milk, So this was really amazing to discover

0:33:56.640 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 1>a method of making milk safe to drink on a

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 1>massive scale, particularly as industrialization came into play an agricultural

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 1>products started to be distributed on more than a farm

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 1>by farm scale. People started collecting their milk all in

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:14.359
<v Speaker 1>one place and then selling it under a different brand name.

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 1>So there could have been multiple varying qualities of the

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:21.160
<v Speaker 1>milk that was brought into the communal that and then distributors.

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:23.880
<v Speaker 1>So you can imagine if you had one farmer who

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 1>wasn't taking care of their animals well and then all

0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 1>of their milk got combined with other farms milk, and

0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 1>then that milk was sold to many many families and

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:36.200
<v Speaker 1>many many people could get sick from one contaminated bat.

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:42.319
<v Speaker 1>So pasteurization was really important innovation. But many academics have

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:46.360
<v Speaker 1>argued that we've gone too far towards this Pastorian ideal.

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:50.240
<v Speaker 1>And you know, as with many other areas now people

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:53.480
<v Speaker 1>are questioning whether being too clean is possible and are

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:58.040
<v Speaker 1>sanitizing our environments too much. Yes, so we have to,

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:00.279
<v Speaker 1>but we have to think about what are they good

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 1>microbes that are the bad microbes? Because there are plenty

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:06.400
<v Speaker 1>of pathogens that are very very harmful, and how do

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:08.799
<v Speaker 1>we cultivate the good ones while making sure that we're

0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:12.840
<v Speaker 1>creating environments that are not in hospitable to the harmful ones. Okay,

0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 1>so now I want to know if I wanted to

0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:18.799
<v Speaker 1>go on a pilgrimage of American cheese, where would you

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:23.880
<v Speaker 1>send me to. Well, Vermont is one of the states

0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:28.360
<v Speaker 1>that's done an incredible job of cultivating supporting a community

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:32.840
<v Speaker 1>of artisan cheesemakers who are kind of exploring this concept

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 1>of American tarar and also um returning to the small

0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:40.920
<v Speaker 1>scale notion of how do we take this pasture and

0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:46.400
<v Speaker 1>that's really optimized for dairy animals, but help these farmers

0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:50.360
<v Speaker 1>do produce a product in a way that's financially viable

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:54.840
<v Speaker 1>for them, because fluid milk is a really challenging commodity

0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 1>to be producing right now, and cheese offers this opportunity

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:01.879
<v Speaker 1>for farmers to be reducing a product that can earn

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:04.759
<v Speaker 1>them at least a living wage compared to what a

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:06.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of farmers are struggling with right now with footmolks.

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 1>So for month has been very supportive. California has a

0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:12.600
<v Speaker 1>number of incredible artism cheesemakers, but like I said, every

0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:15.439
<v Speaker 1>state in the country has artisan cheesemakers at this point,

0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 1>which is basically only happened in the last thirty or

0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 1>four years. It's become a phenomenon. Actual we will not

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 1>talk about it in the same way that they talk

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:28.560
<v Speaker 1>about French cheese Italian cheese. I think part of it

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 1>is just this kind of self deprecating idea that Americans

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:36.200
<v Speaker 1>have of our food culture, that we don't have one,

0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:41.880
<v Speaker 1>or that there's nothing further to explore about American food,

0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:43.879
<v Speaker 1>or you know, people kind of throw away the idea

0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:47.400
<v Speaker 1>of American food as burgers and fries. But the fact is,

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:51.040
<v Speaker 1>there are artisans that are creating beautiful, beautiful food products

0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:53.040
<v Speaker 1>all over the country, and many of them are taking

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:58.320
<v Speaker 1>inspiration from the European or other traditions, um but they're

0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:01.319
<v Speaker 1>innovating on it, which is that's what makes them truly American. Right.

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:04.680
<v Speaker 1>They're taking these traditions and in many ways they're improving

0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:06.840
<v Speaker 1>on them, or they're pushing a limit on flavor, and

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:10.040
<v Speaker 1>they're not bound by these same requirements of how you

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:15.680
<v Speaker 1>can categorize certain cheeses. So sometimes that's carried through in

0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:18.520
<v Speaker 1>a way that is not quite successful, but in other

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:20.680
<v Speaker 1>ways they're really pushing the envelope and ways that are

0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 1>very beautiful. So so what is the right way to Okay, Well,

0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:28.719
<v Speaker 1>can we talk about cheese plates first? Okay? So I

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:30.840
<v Speaker 1>like to choose the theme. So I want to American

0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Artisanal because it's a nice kind of through line offers

0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:37.920
<v Speaker 1>us an opportunity to talk about worshiping the local. I

0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 1>like to bring in variety of styles, of variety of milks.

0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:44.640
<v Speaker 1>So if I had four or five cheeses, what I

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:48.480
<v Speaker 1>would do is at least one cow goat cheap, potentially

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 1>a buffalo if I could find one water buffalo. And

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:55.360
<v Speaker 1>you want to organize a tasting from sort of least

0:37:56.000 --> 0:38:00.520
<v Speaker 1>robust flavors to most robust. So if you had if cheeses,

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 1>you might start with a fresh cheese or a soft

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 1>ripon cheese and end with your blue or end with

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.759
<v Speaker 1>your stinkiest. And you want to kind of guide your

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:11.720
<v Speaker 1>guests through a tasting experience where they or not eating

0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:15.279
<v Speaker 1>a mouthful of something super stinky at first, which demolishes

0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 1>the palate for everything else you would be tasted subsequently.

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:20.799
<v Speaker 1>But people don't think of cheese in the snobby way,

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:26.440
<v Speaker 1>like cheese is so more approachable than wine. Dated by wine.

0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 1>When I was in Valda there in January, I ate

0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 1>cheese from cows that were milked during winter, so we're

0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:40.000
<v Speaker 1>eating hay from sheds. And then I ate cheese that

0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:45.360
<v Speaker 1>was held back from cows that ate greenery from the

0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:49.880
<v Speaker 1>grass before winter, and the taste was so different, and

0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 1>for some magical moment I was able to stop and

0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:57.360
<v Speaker 1>assess these two things, right. I mean, that's a beautiful

0:38:57.360 --> 0:39:00.640
<v Speaker 1>expression of your sense of place, and not only sense

0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:03.160
<v Speaker 1>of place, sense of time. It matters what time of

0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 1>year this cheese is being made, how long it's aging for,

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:08.800
<v Speaker 1>and whether or not it's pasteurized. If you that was

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 1>probably a raw cheese. If it had been pasteurized and

0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:14.960
<v Speaker 1>all of the microbial life was gone from it, you

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:19.080
<v Speaker 1>might not have had quite as um prominent an expression

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:21.680
<v Speaker 1>of the product that the animal was eating, because it

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:24.840
<v Speaker 1>would have been more equalized between the two. I have

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:28.799
<v Speaker 1>a whole new respect for cheese cheese making. Meeting you

0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:31.440
<v Speaker 1>and spending time with you has made me really appreciate cheese.

0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:34.759
<v Speaker 1>It's a really incredible art. It's amazing, and it's very

0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 1>very hard, and we can't pay them enough for my perspective,

0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:40.720
<v Speaker 1>I think the amount of work that goes into these cheeses,

0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:45.680
<v Speaker 1>you could teaches and cheesemakers should get paid more. Absolutely

0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 1>with you, So I was going to come big for cheese.

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 1>She has a real cheese, tell it she is kid.

0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:05.279
<v Speaker 1>And next, if you believe that only New York has

0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:09.280
<v Speaker 1>good bagels, well let's remove your head from the sand

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 1>and let me introduce you to an old friend, Samuel

0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Kirkpatrick and a new friend, josh A Bellamy, owners of

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:22.600
<v Speaker 1>the amazing bench warm of Bagels and Bolted Bread in Raleigh,

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:28.800
<v Speaker 1>North Carolina. Um Sam Kirkpatrick, I'm one of the owners

0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:31.479
<v Speaker 1>of Bolted Bread and one of the owners of bench

0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Warmers Bagels and Coffee. I'm the new friends. My name

0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:38.879
<v Speaker 1>is Joshua Bellamy and I am also an owner at

0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Bolted Dread and bench Warner's Bagels. For me, the whole

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:49.280
<v Speaker 1>the bagel shop is predicated on the like overwhelming drive

0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:54.400
<v Speaker 1>that I feel a responsibility to share with the community

0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:58.319
<v Speaker 1>that raised us what we have to offer. And so

0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:02.600
<v Speaker 1>when we opened Bolted Bread, the whole drive for me

0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:05.400
<v Speaker 1>was we we have to This is not something that

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:07.359
<v Speaker 1>like we want to do, this is something we have

0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:11.920
<v Speaker 1>to do because Joshua and Fulton have these special gifts

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:14.320
<v Speaker 1>and if we don't share these gifts then we're selfish.

0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:16.839
<v Speaker 1>If we're selfish, then we're bad people. So we have

0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:19.920
<v Speaker 1>to do the right thing. And then after a few

0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:24.280
<v Speaker 1>years of bolted bread, when Joshua worked out a bagel,

0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:28.040
<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, we have to show this to people.

0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 1>There's no option. Sweet, tell me a little bit about

0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:37.080
<v Speaker 1>why people think you can have a bagel in myself. Okay,

0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:39.879
<v Speaker 1>this gives me really work up. So I thought about

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:45.360
<v Speaker 1>this a lot because growing up here and then moving

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:47.919
<v Speaker 1>to Vermont to like kind of learn how to bake

0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:51.400
<v Speaker 1>this sounds insane And I truly don't mean it in

0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:55.080
<v Speaker 1>any sort of like overarded thing. Um, but there are

0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:57.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who were pretty rude to me

0:41:57.600 --> 0:41:59.239
<v Speaker 1>in Vermont because I was from the South and had

0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:01.560
<v Speaker 1>a Southern accent. And I don't really have a crazy

0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Southern accent, but have a slight one. And yeah, yeah,

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:08.560
<v Speaker 1>that's that's true. Okay, annual a great point in my mind,

0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:14.239
<v Speaker 1>that's very utual, and um, I'm just American. But there's this, uh,

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:18.359
<v Speaker 1>hopefully as a world, but especially as as Americans. Over

0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:21.880
<v Speaker 1>the last several decades in my adult life, we've like

0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:25.360
<v Speaker 1>moved in sort of a slow and study and like

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<v Speaker 1>a progressive path and how we've treated each other. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's still this like one vested just society where it's

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<v Speaker 1>okay to be a biggest And that's not how to say,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the only vest of just society where biggest you

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<v Speaker 1>still exist, but where it's accepted. And that's like the

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<v Speaker 1>culinary world, like, you know, we all work to build

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<v Speaker 1>each other up. But if you're from the South and

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<v Speaker 1>trying to bake a bagel, then you're in eating and

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<v Speaker 1>you're one what do you know about bagels? Like? And

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<v Speaker 1>this exists elsewhere to you know, trying to make biscuits

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<v Speaker 1>in New York. I'm sure it's the same way. But

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<v Speaker 1>for me is someone from the South, like that's how

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<v Speaker 1>I felt, you know, um, and so I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>fin like step back from it, there's UM in the South,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly in the Southeast where we're from. There's not the

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<v Speaker 1>same sort of like cultural history of bagel baker's um.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not this shared knowledge that has been passed down

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<v Speaker 1>from generation to generation. Generation. You can't get a good

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<v Speaker 1>bagel in the South because there aren't many bagels in

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<v Speaker 1>the South to begin with, But then there haven't also

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<v Speaker 1>been the decades and decades and decades of experience to

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<v Speaker 1>lend two good bagels being baked down here. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's important for me personally, and I hope it's

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<v Speaker 1>important for other people to to like push past these

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<v Speaker 1>uh culinary perceptions that we have. I've, in a very

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<v Speaker 1>intimate way, devoted everything that I have to baking really

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<v Speaker 1>good things, and bagels are an excession of that. And um,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that I hope that if people come down

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<v Speaker 1>here and try a bagel, and they can try it

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<v Speaker 1>with an open mine, like this isn't necessarily a Southern bagel.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a really really good bagel. It's it's not like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not an expression of your southernness, but an expression

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<v Speaker 1>of your craft, which you have dedicated your life too.

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<v Speaker 1>And here you are, well, that's the idea, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>travel allows you to let go of these prejudices, to

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<v Speaker 1>let go of this idea that something in the South

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<v Speaker 1>has to be sunning. The bagel, for me, is that

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<v Speaker 1>effective representation of that. I mean, the gift of travel

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<v Speaker 1>is that you are not home, You are not in

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<v Speaker 1>your own context, and it can be so lovely to

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<v Speaker 1>find something that reminds you of home while you're on

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<v Speaker 1>the road. But even more so, it can be so

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<v Speaker 1>lovely to just go out in the world and see

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<v Speaker 1>what's out there without judgment and without any preconceived notions

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<v Speaker 1>and without any agenda, and to just let the world

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<v Speaker 1>come to you that way. And when we get an

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<v Speaker 1>out of town or here, what we really want to

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<v Speaker 1>do is to be able to give them joy in

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<v Speaker 1>that moment. And we we think that we're pretty good

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<v Speaker 1>at that. We we like really are proud of what

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<v Speaker 1>we do because it's not based on our geography, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not based on sticking to what you know. It's this

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<v Speaker 1>is what we have. We're going to continue to push

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<v Speaker 1>to express ourselves. So the idea is that if you

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<v Speaker 1>can leave that concept of one of the haslive behind,

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<v Speaker 1>you may have a bad experience. You know, if I

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<v Speaker 1>comment on that well business on a new y being,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ruding an experience with myself before you even set

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<v Speaker 1>foot in the door. And you are accurate also, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not and that's okay. Well I had a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Daniel Scheffler and I'll see you everywhere