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Speaker 1: this is Buckey Brooks said, we have a special edition

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Speaker 1: of the Moved the Sticks podcast. My partner Daniel Jeremy

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Speaker 1: is not here today. But then for DJ is my

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Speaker 1: man who I owe a couple of apologies to came

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Speaker 1: on first round pick, the fifth overall pick for the

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Speaker 1: New York Giants. I have to apologize. So before I

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Speaker 1: your flowers. I was wrong. You came into a path

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Speaker 1: to the draft. We had like a little mock draft conversation.

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Speaker 1: I think I had you peg to go nine to

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Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. Obviously I was incorrect. You go before

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Speaker 1: I had you Pig, you go fifth. You're the top dog, man,

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Speaker 1: You're in the Big Apple. You're the Kingdom New York.

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Speaker 1: As they said, how's everything going. How's everything been since

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Speaker 1: mean it's been a whirlwind. You know. I feel like

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Speaker 1: stuff is slowed down now, you know now that it's

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Speaker 1: been just NonStop. Yeah. Look, that's one of the things

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Speaker 1: like for you, this season will be the longest season

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Speaker 1: It's been the end of your time ore Agon. It's

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Speaker 1: all the training, the combine training, going through all that,

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Speaker 1: pre draft process. I felt like for you, you were

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