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Speaker 1: On February fourth, in the main event, live on CBS,

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Speaker 1: the Last Emperor makes his last hurrah in mixed martial arts.

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Speaker 1: Fato a Millionenko returns to the Beltzar Cage to rematch

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bader, to get a win back against someone who

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Speaker 1: defeated him previously, maybe even the belts or heavyweight title,

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Speaker 1: and then to ride off into the sunset.

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Speaker 2: But before he does, we have to.

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Speaker 1: Look back on one of the most distinguished careers literally

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Speaker 1: in mixed martial arts history.

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Speaker 2: That's Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: We are Morning Combat and this is the fad Or

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Speaker 1: a million Aco resume review BC.

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Speaker 2: We'll get right into it. Not a moment to wait.

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Speaker 3: Well, we've done a lot of these, and there's never

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Speaker 3: been anyone with as impressive and long and just insane

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Speaker 3: career that's still going at forty six. Holy crap, in

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Speaker 3: a title fight on CBS. You know, he was the

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Speaker 3: guy that brought in CBS to the MMA masses, and

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Speaker 3: here we are back again. This is the most decorated

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Speaker 3: individual that we've ever attempted to do this operation on.

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Speaker 2: That's right, he certainly is.

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Speaker 1: He's easily on the mount Rushmore of MMA certainly one

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Speaker 1: of the best, if not the best heavyweight of all time.

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Speaker 2: It's a matter of debate at this point, but.

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Speaker 1: A very highly distinguished career, although long in the tooth

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Speaker 1: one he is forty six years of age. This is

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Speaker 1: supposed to be his final fight, not met merely with Belltour,

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Speaker 1: but in all of mixed martial arts. He's had previous

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Speaker 1: retirements before. But BC, when you went through the footage here,

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Speaker 1: what stood out to you most, I'll tell you first

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Speaker 1: things for me is certainly he has coming off that

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Speaker 1: great win over Timothy Johnson right in Beltore. That was

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Speaker 1: phenomenal out in Moscow, and God bless them, that was

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Speaker 1: a great win. But I will say watching prime fade

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Speaker 1: Or you forget exactly how fast and explosive and just

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Speaker 1: a force of nature he was.

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Speaker 2: Those Pride fights really take you home.

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Speaker 3: My takeaway is I'm echo and mirror what you say,

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Speaker 3: but I think I take it deeper. I don't think

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Speaker 3: there's a debate, especially for me for the first time

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Speaker 3: in a long time going back and watching these fad

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Speaker 3: Or Pride fights, which to be fair, I did not

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Speaker 3: watch live when they happened, and I wish going back

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Speaker 3: to have seen that connectivity in the build from one

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Speaker 3: card to another and all of that. But I don't

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Speaker 3: think there's a debate he is the greatest heavyweight of

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Speaker 3: all time, and this fun exercise of going back fight

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Speaker 3: by fight and rewatching that arc just slams it home

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Speaker 3: and confirms it. Even if Luke that was a different

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Speaker 3: error from the idea of style and involved full mixed

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Speaker 3: martial arts game plan, yet he still went in there

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Speaker 3: against one killer after another, and in this you know

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Speaker 3: your takeaway echoes in a way as well. For me,

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Speaker 3: it's like Pride was the peak of wild West MMA,

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Speaker 3: with the most dangerous cowboys galloping in and out of

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Speaker 3: that heavyweight division, and he was the last emperor, but

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Speaker 3: he was also the last man standing in that era,

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Speaker 3: that run of twenty seven consecutive wins over a nine

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Speaker 3: the Pride cage. Considering the level of competition and the

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Speaker 3: regularly traded losses against one another, there's he's the best

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Speaker 3: to me by far. When you take the time and

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Speaker 3: of names that he's beaten the way he did it,

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Speaker 3: even if that was a different era skill wise, and

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Speaker 3: in some ways feels like so long ago. Dude doing

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Speaker 3: two of these in one night, it was still that

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Speaker 3: part of it. Certain one of these pay per views,

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Speaker 3: there's nobody like him, and this was an era where

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Speaker 3: guys took insane punishment on the regular and saw who

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Speaker 3: ten minute first rounds in pride to rejog your memory

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Speaker 3: if that doesn't jump out first, but to go that

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Speaker 3: the most insane stretches, even if there's gimmick fights in

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Speaker 3: between in the history of the sport. We talk about

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Speaker 3: the right now sixteen fight win streak in the UFC

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Speaker 3: of Anderson Silva, which should be right, should be celebrated.

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Speaker 3: How do you frame that twenty seven fight, nine and

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Speaker 4: Run, unbeaten run for Fador at the top of this

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Speaker 2: He was, he was ahead of his time.

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Speaker 1: He was an athletic marvel relative to his peers in

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Speaker 1: He was a tactical innovator. When you go back to

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Speaker 1: the game caught up and the story changed. But in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and two on, he was truly unstoppable.

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Speaker 2: Now the story begins a little bit earlier, very quickly BC.

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Speaker 1: He had I think about eleven or so fights in Rings,

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Speaker 1: lost there to Tyoshi Kosakaho, was a Japanese legend, but.

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Speaker 4: That was just from a cut in seventeen seconds.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was just from a cut, like it was.

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Speaker 1: He didn't really lose that contest. You could make an

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Speaker 1: Sammy Schildt in June of two thousand and two BC

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Speaker 1: Pride twenty one. Sammy Scheldt, three time King of Pancraz

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Speaker 1: former UFC heavyweight. Obviously we know he's got a decorated

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Speaker 1: Holland and old Fator gave him the business.

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Speaker 4: Let's say this about Sammy Scheld, who freak of nature, size,

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Speaker 4: tough as balls. I mean, this fight showed you how

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Speaker 4: toughest balls he is.

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Speaker 3: To begin with, he's traded a bunch of losses early

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Speaker 3: this Fador fight, he was twelve one and one in

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Speaker 3: the previous two years with Pancrase, UFC and Pride, the

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Speaker 3: you know, there are some freak fights thrown in here.

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Speaker 4: Let's act like you know.

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Speaker 3: That was always Dana's sort of the mounting evidence he

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Speaker 4: The idea that Fade War is as good as people say.

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Speaker 4: He is the best fighter to never fight in the UFC.

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Speaker 3: All true, But when he thought this giant Luke, this

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Speaker 3: guy come in with credentials, this guy came in with damage.

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Speaker 4: In this fight.

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Speaker 3: Although it was Fador's debut and Pride didn't play out

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Speaker 3: against Nogara. He sets the terms that when he takes

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Speaker 3: of it. With him on top, usually getting full mount,

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Speaker 4: It's just the same dude ahead of his time.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't even begin to say of where the ground game

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Speaker 1: You know it's wild he did. He had a remarkable career.

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Speaker 1: If you've never seen it. Sammy Samy Shield obviously fought

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Speaker 4: His foot is so big it goes.

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Speaker 1: From the waist to the neck nearly of Pete Williams,

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Speaker 1: was a tough guy. There you gonna mention before three

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Speaker 1: time King of Pancras BC. What also stood out to

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Speaker 3: Semi was just first, absolutely, and I think it's a

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Speaker 3: perfect fight to transition into the first of this incredible

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Speaker 3: to respect the ground gang of Big Nog and kind

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Speaker 3: how would you surmise Fador's ability too. He'll dart in

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Speaker 3: I mean he'll even try flying stomps on you. But

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Speaker 3: he gets as close to getting caught in submissions as

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Speaker 3: you can and it's just so quick and strong and

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Speaker 3: ability to bounce out of it. I mean maybe that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so guys would put him in trouble in various times,

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Speaker 1: Or going for the Komora he'd limp on. People don't

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Speaker 1: But he would just be so quick with it they

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Speaker 1: to there. So he beat Sammy Scheldt in his Pride debut.

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Speaker 1: This was a big show Pride twenty one. He goes

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Speaker 1: on to beat Heath Herring, who was a big name

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Speaker 1: where after the end of the first.

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Speaker 2: Round they had to call it off.

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Speaker 1: TKO doctor stoppage again first round ten minutes. He took

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Speaker 4: That just was dude, These ten minutes first rounds outrageous. Dude,

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Speaker 4: are gnarly on what it does to their gas take. Now,

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Speaker 4: a lot of these Fador, like in the Sami showf

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Speaker 4: energy exposed during these ten minute first rounds is insane.

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Speaker 4: I mean, would you ever.

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Speaker 2: It's three in rounds plus and vox would you ever.

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Speaker 4: Want to return to that in modern imm Man under

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Speaker 4: any circumstance. I will say this.

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Speaker 1: Josh Barnett, I thought, had a great tweet, which is

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Speaker 1: if athletic commissions are going to be sanctioning slap fighting,

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Speaker 1: quite literally, how is it you can't sanction more like

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Speaker 1: Pride rules and you don't even have to have all

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Speaker 1: the Pride rules.

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Speaker 2: You could have.

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Speaker 1: Many of or most of them, including a ten minute

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Speaker 4: Which has been fruitful. He's a slugger. You know, he

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Speaker 4: Here twenty seven wins in one contest. Here's the truth.

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Speaker 1: We're in March of two thousand and three at the

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Speaker 1: Three hundred and seventy five pound guy broided to the

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Speaker 2: He was the best in class. He had the best jiujitsu.

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Speaker 3: Sot me tell you about Hawai. He was the best

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Speaker 3: I know, the the the ultimate have you in heavyweight

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Speaker 4: The ultimate show down fight? Tell me if I'm wrong

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Speaker 4: So this was on an amazing fight.

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Speaker 1: So this was Pride body Blow, which to this day

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Speaker 1: Now, remember if you could not elbow in Pride, it's weird.

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Speaker 3: But when you look at the history of Nogara's career

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Speaker 3: How greatest Fador that even Pride, Big nog Which you

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Speaker 2: Not many guys at heavyweight.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to think, even in the evolved skill set

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Speaker 4: But when these two collide, I mean, dude, this was

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say this out flat because I've been

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Speaker 4: Like it's my best and as great ast as great

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Speaker 1: could hear and see everything.

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Speaker 4: Or the video packages life, did you watch some of

436
00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,000
Speaker 4: those video packages before these fights?

437
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,919
Speaker 2: An you can't believe.

438
00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,639
Speaker 3: They have that pro wrestling hook. There's that extra level

439
00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,359
Speaker 3: of like sensationalism to them. And it all leads to

440
00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,160
Speaker 3: if this guy beats this guy, he fights an even

441
00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,119
Speaker 3: better badass at the end of the video game, and

442
00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:21,719
Speaker 3: it might be tonight or it might be next pay

443
00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,919
Speaker 3: per view card. Dude, that the connectivity of how they

444
00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:24,639
Speaker 3: built these fights.

445
00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,200
Speaker 1: I want to point out something in this fight, like

446
00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:27,760
Speaker 1: why this was so important. Fatal was one of the

447
00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:29,679
Speaker 1: first guys to show that, Like, even when you have

448
00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,240
Speaker 1: someone who is a very good guard player, ground and

449
00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,800
Speaker 1: pound scientific ground and pound beats good guard game almost

450
00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,360
Speaker 1: every time. And that was not really known very well

451
00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,680
Speaker 1: at the time. It was certainly known very well after

452
00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,400
Speaker 1: this fight. The route, the routes that his punches would take,

453
00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,400
Speaker 1: the route tree, the travel, the trajectory came from unusual angles,

454
00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:50,880
Speaker 1: the timing of it, the way in which he would

455
00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,399
Speaker 1: control certain parts of the guard he, as Quadro said

456
00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,919
Speaker 1: during the about, he set the blueprint on how to

457
00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,360
Speaker 1: ground and pound a guy like Nogia. He wrote that,

458
00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,159
Speaker 1: and no one had done even anything close to it before,

459
00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,800
Speaker 1: combined with what you had mentioned previously, which was outrageous

460
00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:07,880
Speaker 1: submission to face.

461
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Speaker 3: And it wasn't as if, as we mentioned, Fador wasn't

462
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Speaker 3: willing to put himself up to danger. He was willing

463
00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,080
Speaker 3: to times go too far over the line. But his

464
00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,200
Speaker 3: ability to adjust to what edver anyone did that made

465
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Speaker 3: it dangerous in the moment of just do you remember

466
00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,600
Speaker 3: in that third round of this meeting where Nogg finally

467
00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,240
Speaker 3: gets the knee bar hooked. Fador not only spins out

468
00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,120
Speaker 3: of it in such quick instances ridiculous, he then goes

469
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Speaker 3: right into a soccer kick to the chest.

470
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Speaker 4: Like the transitions in his ability to be like, okay,

471
00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,520
Speaker 4: you got me here, but right here residence of mind

472
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Speaker 4: was not just insane.

473
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Speaker 1: And also I want to point out something here too.

474
00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,520
Speaker 1: Both guys were in their twenties as well. But the

475
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Speaker 1: sweep that he used, that the sweep that Nolgara used

476
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Speaker 1: on Fador, it didn't work because Fader was able to

477
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Speaker 1: get it right back. It's the exact same sweep that

478
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Speaker 1: Big Nog used on Tim Sylvia to actually claim the

479
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,640
Speaker 1: interim heavyweight title. Is exact same sweep that.

480
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Speaker 4: Was the end of round one in this fight. That

481
00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:58,359
Speaker 4: sequence was batcha.

482
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Speaker 2: Remember round one is ten minutes.

483
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Speaker 1: Yes, at the end of the ten minutes just it

484
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,160
Speaker 1: goes to show you he used that same trick later

485
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:05,359
Speaker 1: on Sylvia and it worked.

486
00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 4: Didn't work on the final note as nognated to be

487
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,400
Speaker 4: carried off the ground.

488
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Speaker 3: He was so exhausted at the end of this fight. Yeah,

489
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Speaker 3: bost Ritten says, there are no words. It's unreal talking

490
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,600
Speaker 3: about Fad or. Dude, I wish I was. You know,

491
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Speaker 3: Fador didn't really hit me until the crow Cop fight

492
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,160
Speaker 3: in terms of where I really was like, oh shit,

493
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,119
Speaker 3: we're building to something massive. I even I need to

494
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Speaker 3: take notice. I wasn't watching this fight by fight at

495
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Speaker 3: this point.

496
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Speaker 4: Were you in? Were you in on the storylines to

497
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Speaker 4: build fight by fight?

498
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Speaker 2: Yes? What two thousand and three?

499
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Speaker 4: Yes, you know this was him winning the Pride heavywech

500
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Speaker 4: championship against a Big Nog. This is massive.

501
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Speaker 3: What do you remember thinking at that time that this

502
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 3: guy might be walking into go to the beginning of

503
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Speaker 3: this run.

504
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Speaker 4: You couldn't eventitgy.

505
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Speaker 2: Yes, so I didn't think Fader was going to win.

506
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to lose.

507
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Speaker 1: And he then beat the fucking shot out of him,

508
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my lord, what is happening?

509
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 1: And then I thought I wasn't tricks like I would

510
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,959
Speaker 1: have thought of that. But what the true story is,

511
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Speaker 1: Once Fador did this, he became the consensus best.

512
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:00,359
Speaker 2: Heavyweight in the world world.

513
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Speaker 1: There were some people who wanted to say it was

514
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 1: whoever the UFC champion was at the time. Let me

515
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,360
Speaker 1: assure you they were wrong. It was not true. This

516
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 1: was the guy. This became clear over time, especially by

517
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 1: the crow Cop fight in two thousand and four.

518
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 4: That was the real big one.

519
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,439
Speaker 3: And I think he was getting pumped upon number one

520
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:17,400
Speaker 3: consideration after this fight.

521
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 1: Yes, well he was. He was on certain people's list.

522
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,479
Speaker 1: This was the big one where everyone thought. There were

523
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 1: some people who thought he could but more more, I

524
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:24,919
Speaker 1: have to go back and check the odds. But more

525
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 1: often than not they thought he couldn't, and he made

526
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Speaker 1: it look easy.

527
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Speaker 2: Easy. Now we move along.

528
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Speaker 1: He has another fight he takes out in your home country, Lithuania,

529
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 1: before returning back to Pride twenty six June of two

530
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 1: thousand and three, taking on Kazuyuki Fujita, which, by the way,

531
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Speaker 1: is not really a big deal in the sense of

532
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Speaker 1: who is Fujita. Fujita was like a big heavyweight name

533
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 1: for Japan. It you know, well, he wasn't a very

534
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 1: decorated fighter. BC Quentin Rampage Jackson was also a part

535
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Speaker 1: of the commentary booth for this. Everyone thought Fador was

536
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 1: just gonna walk over him, and instead what happens. Fador

537
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 1: gets rocked the worst he's been in his career and

538
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 1: has to hang on for dear life.

539
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 4: I didn't see this wasn't on our list, so you're

540
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 4: you're telling me about it.

541
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 2: So I'll add it very quickly.

542
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 1: So he gets hit with a shot and he has

543
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: to grip up, and Stephen Quadra says, famously, oh my god,

544
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 1: fad Or Million goes in huge trouble and he was

545
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 1: and he falls to his ground and Fujiti gets on

546
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 1: top and tries to do what he does. They stand up,

547
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: He tries to slam fade or he can't do it,

548
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 1: fade Or lands like a goddamn cat. Because I cannot

549
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: overstate how good his athleticism was at this time. If

550
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 1: you watch Pride fad Or and then you watch Beltiorre

551
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: fad Or, you can just see the difference.

552
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 4: In speed balance.

553
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: His balance was sick.

554
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: Anyway, he gets up and he hits Fujiita with a bodykick,

555
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: left hook, right.

556
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 2: Hand, and that sits him down.

557
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: He falls, it up, falls, he wins, crowd goes nuts

558
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: and rampage. Jackson says something that has always stood with me,

559
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Speaker 1: and he goes the way he came back, that is

560
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Speaker 1: a champion.

561
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 2: That is a champion.

562
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 1: The way he would stood that and fire right back absolutely.

563
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Speaker 3: The last time, by the way come back from the

564
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 3: grave in the middle of a fight and then win it.

565
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 2: Second.

566
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 4: Let well, see, hell, we should stop for just one

567
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 4: second and make that point.

568
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 2: Fad Or.

569
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Speaker 1: We were making him out to sound invincible, and many

570
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: times during his Pride run or that Prime run, he was.

571
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Speaker 1: But part of the reason why I love what Jackson

572
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 1: said was that the true greats, they're not untouchable, but

573
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: they're resilience.

574
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 4: Anderson Silva versus chail Son and won.

575
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: He wasn't the better guy that night, but he was

576
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: resilient when it mattered.

577
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 2: Fad Or had that too.

578
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I don't think that that at this point,

579
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 3: in this era of m it had evolved to the

580
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 3: point where people were at such a high level of complete,

581
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 3: well rounded speciality, all in one true mixed martial artists

582
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 3: that you would see at the highest level some really

583
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 3: technical fights from distance.

584
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 4: But you know, it goes without saying that.

585
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 3: Back then, even the highly skilled guys still had to

586
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 3: fight their way out of trouble in big fights, and

587
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 3: that was never that was always the equation for fad Or.

588
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 3: I mean the big actually the dog fight was surprisingly

589
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 3: so one sided for the most part, right, so one

590
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 3: way track for for the most part. But dude, it's like,

591
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 3: even if you got your best stuff off against this

592
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: version of fad Or, even if you put him in

593
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: their peril, the fact that he was never out of

594
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 3: it but could think so clearly while clearly hurt is

595
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 3: is you can't teach that skill. It's almost unrivaled in

596
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 3: the history of the sport. How he's able to pull

597
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 3: that off, and it adds to the loure.

598
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know how these guys have

599
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 4: these chins. Dude, how do you how do they do this?

600
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's remarkable what they were.

601
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 3: They're taking drugs that also allowed them to just to

602
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 3: like to for this impact, not to hurt their body.

603
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't get it, Luke, they take well, they.

604
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:32,959
Speaker 2: Definitely were taking growth hormone.

605
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know about Fador in particular, but

606
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: the Pride era, yes, there was a lot.

607
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 4: But then he was never even treaded up. Dude, he's

608
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 4: always chubby. I mean, he was a kind of a chub. Right,

609
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 4: It's amazing you'd be that quick, have that good of

610
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 4: a guest than I.

611
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: Had a fat friend who was like, that's my favorite

612
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: fighter because he reminds me of me.

613
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 4: That's what he said, all right, bec So let's.

614
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: Jump now to two fights back to back that we're

615
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 1: a big deal, both submissions both in two thousand and four.

616
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: We go to Pride's total elimination two thousand and four

617
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: against Mark Coleman. Folks don't know this, actually, be Fader

618
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: had a bit of a falling out with Pride at

619
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: the end of two thousand and three and took another

620
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: fight with an Okibumbaya. He was eventually able to come

621
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and four. But now we're in

622
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: a bit of a heavyweight tournament, right, that's what it

623
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: got set into motion as well as now there's a

624
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: sort of a disputed sense about who the actual champ is.

625
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: But against Mark Coleman BC, who had won a previous

626
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: Pride tournament, who was a heavyweight champion, that's right. He

627
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: was a very celebrated figure. I looked up the rankings

628
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: at the time. He was still considered top five at

629
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: the time.

630
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 3: He had won seven of eight coming in and the

631
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 3: only loss was a sub to Big Nog. So he's

632
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 3: you know, he's right there in contention at this level,

633
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 3: no question.

634
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 2: So what do you remember about this fight?

635
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 4: Coleman only thirty three years old, though it would it

636
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 4: was look Fadword finished the last four guys coming in,

637
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 4: so he had continued that run and adding to his

638
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 4: you know, sort of stature already. It got wild right away,

639
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 4: and I'd forgotten about that. I meant, I forgot this too, Dude,

640
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 4: Mark Coleman took his back.

641
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 2: Dude, Mark Coleman took him down to his back.

642
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 3: I mean his physicality in here to be able to

643
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 3: hang in the speed, to be able to hang with

644
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 3: fad Or during the batshit craziness was wild and they

645
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 3: both landed wild punches, and there were crazy reverses where

646
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: you know, uh, fatal reverses into a guillotine, and they

647
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 3: know that would happen in big fador fights. I mean,

648
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: somebody could switch him and even take full mount on

649
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 3: him for a half second. But dude, would he switch

650
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 3: that back on you? But look, you're asking a lot,

651
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 3: whether it's Mark Coleman or anybody else, to get in

652
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: these type of back and forth batshit crazy sequences, especially

653
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 3: in a ten minute round, and not be gassed out

654
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 3: or too hurt at the.

655
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 4: End to stay there.

656
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, only a few on that nog

657
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 3: level can endure that and take him to that distance.

658
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: Krokop obviously eventually did it too, But as good as

659
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 3: Mark Coleman was in stretches here, you can't keep that up.

660
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: You're either going to gas out or you're going to

661
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 3: come to the power that's landing on you.

662
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 4: And soon enough, in this ten minute first round.

663
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: I caught up with him right and he got to

664
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: take down twice. So they get back, he gets back

665
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: to his feet. He tried to throw Fad over the ropes.

666
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 4: To throw him over the rope spit and he may

667
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 4: I should stay up.

668
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: He gets he gets a take down again because you

669
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: know Colman was a very good wrestler obviously, and then

670
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: Fador underneath he catches him with an arm bar. I

671
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: think the timing here, according to the notes I have,

672
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: is a one to fifteen of round number.

673
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 4: Boy was that quick?

674
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 2: Two?

675
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 4: Boy?

676
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: Was that's the second one? Excuse me, there's another one

677
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: that came before. It's I got the wrong one up here. Yes,

678
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: came around number one via arm bar. And what was

679
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: so funny about it was two eleven a round one

680
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: is the actual time. His hips underneath were so fast

681
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: and explosive. He could twist underneath for the arm bar.

682
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: You saw this with all his takedowns. His hips were explosive.

683
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: With his balance, everything got into place where it needed

684
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: to be, his punches, everything was off the hips. He

685
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: was just a great example of what you could do

686
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: when you had mobile, active hips. And there was I mean,

687
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: by the time he latched on to the arm bar,

688
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: it was so deep, it was so in All he

689
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: had to do was roll belly down and Mark Coleman tapped.

690
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: That was all she wrote. Pretty easy win for him.

691
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: We move on now to Kevin Randallman. Oh baby, so

692
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: Kevin random and if you just look at the stats,

693
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: we are the final decision, which was he wins round one.

694
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: Obviously Fador does via Kimora at one thirty three doesn't

695
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: tell you the story though.

696
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 4: He doesn't even tell you the story about the framing

697
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 4: of coming into this fight and how big this was.

698
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 4: Kevin Randleman had upset crow Cop and did it by

699
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 4: knocking him the hell out with one shot, which.

700
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 3: Which was a tall I mean it was a total

701
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 3: wake up call. Randleman's still thirty three here, still with

702
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: a lot in the tank.

703
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 4: But did And by the way, Moro lost his shit

704
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 4: on that knockout call of Randleman overcro Copy one of

705
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 4: the great moments in getting great calls relive young Moro

706
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 4: in his prime, often paired with Boss routon in here

707
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 4: is just a joy to behold. But Luke, did you

708
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 4: watch the pre fight feature on Kevin Randleman. I did not, dude.

709
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 4: He had just lost his father. This fight was on

710
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 4: Father's Day. He had been telling the story of how

711
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 4: in previ in the prior months, not just his father,

712
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 4: but according to Randoman, multiple other family members also died.

713
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 4: Anne Randleman still hadn't fully recovered from that car accident

714
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 4: when he when he had like a medical condition at

715
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 4: the wheel and he went one hundred and twenty miles

716
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 4: and crashed and the hood of his car came down

717
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 4: and peeled off the side of his head. All the

718
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 4: way back.

719
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: He had one hundred and eighty eight stitches to close

720
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 3: this gnarly cut right here, and he's just like, Yeah,

721
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 3: fighting is my life.

722
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 4: That's the biggest fight of my life. Let's go do this.

723
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: And he said this interview in which Boz is sitting

724
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: across from him and they're almost crying talking about dads,

725
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: and you'll like, this is the build up for this.

726
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 4: Crazy right randoman in Oz previous opponents, This is the

727
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 4: build up for this crazy ass fight.

728
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: And then tell me if I'm wrong, Is this the

729
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: like the craziest oh shit moment in the history of

730
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 3: the sport? Maybe Bob Stapp doing it Tanag is close,

731
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: and there's a few other great crazy knockouts or slams

732
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 3: of this variety, but like all.

733
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: Time greatest slams, I don't think it's greater than Rampage's

734
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: slam over Arona.

735
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 4: Okay, but this has something different because Fador went from

736
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 4: being in the worst position possible and a big fight,

737
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 4: a title fight no less, to winning seconds later in

738
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 4: It was almost like the opening sequence of Ronda Rousey

739
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 4: versus Catzan Khano, Right, It was almost like that, only

740
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 4: Granda didn't get knock dropped on her head before she

741
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 4: transitioned to that submission.

742
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: So basically what happens is you have Randomman get a takedown.

743
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: So Randoman's on top, Fador's underneath. Fador turns, Randoman keeps

744
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: the spot. But now he gets behind an arm and

745
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: he picks him up and turns to that strength is

746
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: ridicul Now on his strength. I want to point out

747
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: something here. He didn't just pick him up and drop him.

748
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: Go back and look at the replay. When Randoman picks

749
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: him up, he jumps in the air, turns Fador over

750
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: and drives him into the mat. And when he drives

751
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: him into the mat, pay close attention to the feet

752
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: of Kevin Randleman. He has left his own feet. His

753
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: feet are not touching the ground. He is going up

754
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: so he can drive him down as hard as humanly possible,

755
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: and he landed on the back of his head and neck.

756
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 4: He was unfucking phased. He was phased from getting dropped

757
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 4: on his brain stem by a guy who I.

758
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: Have to add that his dad just died. Its Father's Day.

759
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: He overcame a gnarly accident. People and his family have

760
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 3: died left and right. He knocks out procop to win

761
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: this title and go, you know, win this chance to

762
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: go in there, and he drops the dude on his

763
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: head and away. That would have not just finished. What

764
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: a kid like you?

765
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 4: When you watch that, you're like, did he live? Did

766
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 4: he get up? And he walked?

767
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: There was a famous thread on the UG at the time,

768
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: the Underground, which at the time was MMA dot tv

769
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: because Mixmortial Arts dot com, where people were joking about

770
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: they needed to see x race from Fador to make

771
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: sure he didn't have adamantium in his in his skeletal system,

772
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: because it was like, how is that to your point,

773
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: like just biologically even if you wanted to like resist that,

774
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: how could you?

775
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: Well he did not.

776
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: Only did he do that, he reversed his position about

777
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: thirty seconds later, then locks up a Kimora and then

778
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: closes the show. This is what I mean. Not every

779
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: time was he dealing. Sometimes he got dealt. It just

780
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: didn't matter at this stretch of his career at all.

781
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 3: I mean, Randallman unfortunately would go two and nine the

782
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: rest of his career, and I know he's no longer

783
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: with us, and I love that he got the UFC

784
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame induction because this guy was somebody that mattered.

785
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: You know this in these early stages of heavyweight mma.

786
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: But that transition look, I mean it wasn't as quick

787
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: as Rousey's and gone on the comparison I made, but

788
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: you went from questioning if he's alive to oh my god.

789
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: He made the transition and he won Morose call it's

790
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: up there right the oh my gosh, right on his head,

791
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

792
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 4: And then the subsequent reaction to that, the reversal in

793
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 4: this submissionato Or brought out eyes willing to do things

794
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 4: they wouldn't ordinarily or could do, and they would try

795
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 4: it it just again.

796
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: At that point in his career, it just didn't matter.

797
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 3: This era will never be again, right, They will never

798
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 3: feel like that it felt there in the prime, and

799
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: there were there were parts of early UFC. I don't

800
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 3: mean early in ninety three, I mean five six where

801
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 3: times it still felt like this, because that was the

802
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 3: MMA climate at the time. Gun slingers, even if you're

803
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 3: skilled gun slingers, going out there and just going after it,

804
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: you'll never find a time like this stretch of the

805
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 3: Pride Heavyweight division. I know some guys floated down to

806
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: light heavyweight whatever, but dude, this stretch. These are insane

807
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: fights of all time, greates that all collided in the

808
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 3: same organization at the same time, and it had the

809
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 3: best rules we've ever seen, the best presentation, like.

810
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 4: This is dude, this is it, This is it, this

811
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 4: is right.

812
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: If you watch it was around you, You're lucky. You're lucky.

813
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 4: I didn't watch it day by day. I caught it,

814
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 4: you know those years later recaps and all that kind

815
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 4: of stuff online. I never watched it live.

816
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 3: I didn't even know it was you know, I didn't

817
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: have that same access in connection at the time I was.

818
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: I was certainly I was following the bigger people in UFC,

819
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 3: but it was it was a boxing stretch for me.

820
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 4: Dude, this is I want to go.

821
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 3: Back, get a lot of get a lot of Delta e's,

822
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 3: and just rewatch the entire the entire thing in order,

823
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 3: year by year, card after car.

824
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: You have to asking what's the significance of beating Kevin

825
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: Randallman all the way back in two thousand and four.

826
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: Kevin Randoman was a top five opponent back then, he

827
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: was top five then BC. Very quickly he fights no

828
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: Oia Ogawa. This is one of my favorite fad Or fights.

829
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: We won't talk about it very much, hardly at all.

830
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: But Ogawa refused to shake his hands on the face

831
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: off there in the middle of.

832
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: The ring, and the crowd goes oo. Ogawa was a judo.

833
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 4: Medalist silver medalist in the Olympics.

834
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: Fad Or did not take kindly to his lack of

835
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: professionalism because Fador took his gloves out to touch and

836
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: Ogawa refused. So Fador beat the fucking shit out of

837
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: him in fifty four seconds and that closed the show,

838
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: which brings us BC to the second no Gara fight,

839
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: which was stopped at just three fifty two a round one.

840
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 4: Mora had a quote in the build to this fight

841
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 4: which we learned a little bit, don't We can't say

842
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 4: we didn't learn anything in this file. I'll get to

843
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 4: that in a second.

844
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 3: Moro called this the most protigious, prestigious tournament in MMA history.

845
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 3: What was the setup that led to the second Nog

846
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: versus I know that that it was.

847
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 4: It was they had to fight two fights in the

848
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 4: same night. So Big Nog beat Serge heratanof and in

849
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 4: absolute war over two rounds, gets the decision, is allowed

850
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 4: to advance. And who did Fador beat that?

851
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 2: He beat Ogawa?

852
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 4: Okay, So that's the same night, so he fights these

853
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 4: two and this he goes from Ogawa and the same

854
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 4: night to Big Nog.

855
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 3: So what was this this matchup, this rematch that had

856
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 3: to be in terms of your anticipations that it could happen.

857
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, well this was the whole the full two thousand

858
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: and four Turney the heavyweight atorney, and this was supposed

859
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: to be the finals of it, with the with the

860
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: semi and then the final in the same night, and

861
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: then it just didn't get off because of an accidental cut.

862
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: So what's the story here? Ultimately? With what can we

863
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: really infer I'll tell you the second fight.

864
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 3: Well, Nog after losing that first fight to Fador, had

865
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: gone five and oh he defeated Rico Rodriguez cro Cop

866
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 3: for the interim heavyweight title and Heath Herring among that stretch.

867
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: But I think, Luke, it wouldn't fully be taught to

868
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: us until the third fight, but Nog figured out how

869
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 3: how to be dangerous on the ground to dissuade Fador

870
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: from from controlling him into opposition for the whole round.

871
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 4: If you look back at the.

872
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 3: First fight, except for the final sequences of each round,

873
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: when when when Big Dog would finally make a transition

874
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 3: on the ground right away in the second fight, and

875
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 3: this led into the third fight, lu because the second

876
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 3: fight was stopped when Fador got that vicious cut, And dude,

877
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 3: has there ever been a grocer cut?

878
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 4: Has there been a wider grocer cut you've ever seen?

879
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 4: In the one on Fador? Let's see it some pretty

880
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 4: gross one day up there?

881
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 3: Would you agree that the second fight at least showed

882
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 3: us the t's that we'd see in the third that

883
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: Fador no longer wanted to be down there full time

884
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 3: with him. Fador was now willing to to leg kick

885
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 3: while standing while not was on the ground, and I

886
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 3: would always pull guard in some of these situations, get

887
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 3: touched with a punch and pull pull guard. But it

888
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 3: was enough of a threat to make Fador want to

889
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 3: want to want to time his his darts in on

890
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 3: the ground rather than just going there.

891
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say he was careless in the first fight,

892
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: but he was comfortable, comfortable, and I think Nolgara was

893
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: trying to dissuade some of that, yeah, make him put

894
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: them a little bit more on itch. We just didn't

895
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: get a whole lot out of it. So we fast

896
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: forward out of Pride Shockwave two thousand and four. So

897
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: the first fight was in excuse me, the second fight

898
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: was an August of that year. Now we're in New

899
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: Year's Eve, which in Japan is the biggest night of

900
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: the year by far. For folks that may not know,

901
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: Japanese New Year's Eve is equivalent to our Super Bowl.

902
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: It's a huge night where Japanese families and I'm not

903
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: making this up. Yes, of course going out as part

904
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: of it, but Japanese tradition is to get together as

905
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: a family and to watch the biggest programming that night.

906
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 4: But let me ask you a question. You could tell

907
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 4: me if I'm wrong.

908
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: So obviously they thought the final this tournament would have

909
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 3: been finished in the second big nog versus Fador Fright,

910
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: which we just talked about, which was a no contest

911
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: because so it had to delay it to New Year's Eve. Typically,

912
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 3: would you say fad Or would fight more attraction fights

913
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 3: on New Year's e before this or is that not true?

914
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that was actually I don't have

915
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: to go back and look. I think he fought Eugen Nagata,

916
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: which was the Nachi fight when he had the falling

917
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: out with Pride back in two thousand and three, But

918
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: in general, I'm not sure howch okay.

919
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: So how big was this New Year's Eve two thousand

920
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 3: and four, Pride Shockwave, the third fight Big Nog versus

921
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 3: versus Fade or what do you remember about that?

922
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: That?

923
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 4: The the stakes, the anticipation, the feel forty thousand people

924
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 4: in attendance.

925
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: I didn't have as much trepidation about fad Or winning,

926
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: but I wanted to see how he got it done.

927
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: How does he actually pull this off?

928
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 3: Was this is technically a unification, this third one because

929
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 3: Big Nog had beaten Crocop for the belt for the

930
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 3: interim title excuse the interim correct?

931
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 4: Why was there a need for an interm time?

932
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: Because Fador had the falling out in the end of

933
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: two thousand and three with product to the one fight

934
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: and with the Naki and then he came back, but

935
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: then that's when they set the tournament in and then

936
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: he still claimed he was the actual heavyweight champion, but

937
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: they had awarded the interim and so blah blah blah,

938
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: so this was also a title unification. Forty thousand people

939
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: in Japan obviously mentioned mar Ronaldo boz Routon on the

940
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: call and PC.

941
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 4: But no more boz Rutin and Randy could turn.

942
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: I forgot.

943
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 4: Yes, that's my favorite team of all time.

944
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 3: And I know they didn't do it a lot, but

945
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 3: does see them come together here and knowing that Randy

946
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 3: wanted to be a future fade or opponent in the

947
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: way that he was talking about both before, I try

948
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: and let you transition though, dude, what was up with

949
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 3: the pronunciations back then? Because Randy went full time with

950
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 3: Fodor fedor fedor as if it's like a hat or something,

951
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 3: and Boss was doing Theodor, but he was making it

952
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 3: sound like he was saying Theodoro, and then more was

953
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 3: doing more of a modified not quite Fador but not

954
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 3: quite Theodore.

955
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 4: He would do something right in the middle. What do

956
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 4: we know?

957
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: The way it was explained to me by Fador's people

958
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: is again, I don't speak Russian, and if I'm wrong,

959
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm happy to correct me. My understanding is the proper

960
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: pronunciation is something more along the lines of fjordor like

961
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: an f yo d o r rather than fi or

962
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: fay feodor. So you can get all kinds of weird

963
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: varieties of consequence. And again, you know, he had risen

964
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: to prominence. But I think that MMA was growing in

965
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 1: many ways. The Ultimate Fighter was being shot around this time,

966
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 1: not far from this time, but MMA was growing least

967
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: a little bit, and the Japanese, for folks who were

968
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: in on it, this was still some of it was

969
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: somewhat new or you know, just not fully explained, and

970
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: some people were making some of these kinds of errors.

971
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: But BC here's what I took from this fight. Fador

972
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: wins it, and he wins it relatively convincingly. In fact,

973
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: by the third round, I would say the third round

974
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 1: of this fight reminded me of most of the rounds

975
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: of the first fight. Right by that point, no Gera

976
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: had settled into I'm not saying he had given up,

977
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: but he just didn't have any other answer. At this point,

978
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: Fador was doing ground and pound in this fight, but

979
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: as you noticed, much more selective about it, using stomps

980
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: and soccer kicks at time.

981
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 4: And almost dancing dancing.

982
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 3: He'd kicked the calf while well while now was on

983
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 3: his back and was making nog come to him. There's

984
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 3: a lot of stand ups and if you notice Fador's

985
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 3: boxing from the outside, not a traditional boxing since we're

986
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 3: using the jab to build it was more of like

987
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 3: lead right hands. Yes, but his ability once he had

988
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: that okay, he would use the first ten minutes around

989
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 3: want to do batschit crazy things and where you are.

990
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: There's a sequence in round one in this trilogy about

991
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 3: where Fador through this gnarly combo. He hits a right

992
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 3: hand into a takedown attempt as a SOCCA pulls guard.

993
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 3: He plays it into a soccer kick and just fluid transition,

994
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 3: which is crazy. But after if his opponent survived the

995
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 3: first round, Fador was starting to snipe more from the outside,

996
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 3: and in this fight particularly, dude, he was just still

997
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 3: so quick. We know what you can do in terms

998
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 3: of taking you down ground and pound, but he can

999
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: also own distance and be there and not be there

1000
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: for the Countershot dude, Fador at this level at this

1001
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 3: time in the evolution of the sport was so masterful

1002
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: it's ridiculous.

1003
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 4: Dude, he did it again. He did it again. And

1004
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 4: also here's now, I get a couple scares, a couple

1005
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 4: of near submission tempts normally at the end of the rounds,

1006
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 4: but dude, he beat him twice. I mean, this is

1007
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 4: this is the only guy that could do this to

1008
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 4: Nag Get that.

1009
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: And Nogaric did get a take down to the end

1010
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: of the first ten minute round, but it was not

1011
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: much to really do with it.

1012
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: It was very close to end in the round. You see,

1013
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: this is what I took from it.

1014
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: Now only did Fador make some adjustments about where he

1015
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: played the fight, but also like he beat Nogara standing,

1016
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: he beat Nogara on the ground, He beat Nogara with

1017
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: the wrestling. He beat no Ghara basically everywhere. Like Noghera

1018
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: couldn't say well the first fight, you could say, well,

1019
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: he beat me on the ground, Let's see what we

1020
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 1: do stand up. Because remember at this time, Big Noag

1021
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: was training with the Cuban boxing national team. Yes, right,

1022
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 1: so he was really trying to work on his hands

1023
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: with this fight. It didn't matter. It didn't change the

1024
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: equation at all. It was not quite the beatdown that

1025
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: the first fight was. That is true, I thought took

1026
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: some big shots, but not nearly as many as the

1027
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: first one.

1028
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 4: But he just can never get anything going.

1029
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: There was a sequence at the end of that ten

1030
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 3: minute first round though, where twice Fador dropped him with

1031
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 3: big shots, and then there was a sequence after that

1032
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: where Nag was on his feet, but look he was

1033
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: absorbing just hllacious right hands one by one. Moro actually

1034
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: made the comment do you remember this? Moro openly questioned

1035
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 3: whether big Nog will pay the price at the end

1036
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 3: of the YEF, I do you remember all of the

1037
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: damage that.

1038
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 4: He's taken in these fights?

1039
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: Because it I mean, look, this is the third time

1040
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 3: they fought, but this was the second time where there

1041
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 3: was such a violent stretch of one big shot after

1042
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: another that would have knocked out anybody else, and he's

1043
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: just shaking it.

1044
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 4: Off like it's nothing, dude.

1045
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 3: That's back then Moro had the you know, almost the

1046
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 3: kind of like that thought of like, man, this is

1047
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 3: fun to watch, but how much is too much hair?

1048
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: Right?

1049
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: Well, in any case, I want to point out Fador

1050
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: was now at this point his record twenty one in one.

1051
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: He had beaten nolgarat twice.

1052
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: No controversy this time on like the second time, which

1053
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: we did indicated with the cut. This was the guy.

1054
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: This was the guy at heavyweight, no doubt about it.

1055
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: Now we're into two thousand and five. Now the Ultimate

1056
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: Fighter has launched over in the UFC and it brings

1057
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: us to BC. There were some other fights after this one. Obviously,

1058
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: he had the fight against Tiyoshi Kosaka, who was the

1059
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: previous rival, was a big Japanese name. He couldn't do

1060
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: shit to him, and it brings us to Pride. Final

1061
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: Conflict two thousand and five. This took place in August

1062
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: of two thousand and five BC. I remember this one

1063
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: so fucking clear.

1064
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 3: I didn't watch this live, but this was the first

1065
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 3: fight where I had to start to like, Okay, who

1066
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 3: is this fad or guy? I gotta take it seriously

1067
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 3: because cro Cop was coming on. Even though he'd been

1068
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 3: up there before and he'd been knocked out by Randallman.

1069
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 3: He had four straight stoppage wins entering in here meeting

1070
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: crow Cop. That was a TKO of Barnett, a sub

1071
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: of Kevin Randleman and a ko of Mark Coleman, so

1072
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: you could not have beaten more.

1073
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: Force was named again.

1074
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: Also, don't forget, Don't forget crow Cop had knocked out

1075
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: Alexander amilion Anko, his brother when Fador was backstage, and

1076
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: at the time.

1077
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 4: Fador and his brother were much closer. They were part

1078
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 4: of the same team.

1079
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: They would rushiing top team together than they found in

1080
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: their club Red Devil Fight Club and went on from there.

1081
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: But so there was you knocked out my brother. You're

1082
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 1: clearly the number one contender.

1083
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 2: At this point.

1084
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 4: This was a build.

1085
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: And by the way, what did Krokop have?

1086
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: He had great strikes, obviously he was a kickboxer, and

1087
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: at that point he had worked on really good takedown

1088
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: defense and a chin too, and a chin But so

1089
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: you're thinking to yourself, how is fate or going to

1090
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: fight someone who's better on the feet?

1091
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 4: Yes, and he figured it out.

1092
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: So this was named Fight of the Year and Fight

1093
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: of the decade. And even though I've watched it before,

1094
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 3: you know not probably a couple of years after it

1095
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 3: took place, Dude, I forgot how fun and awesome this

1096
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: fight actually was.

1097
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 4: Dude, I mean that's.

1098
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: The part about Pride during this era. There's a lot

1099
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: of old eras of MMA that don't hold up. And

1100
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: I'm not saying all of these fights right, but many

1101
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: of them do. Many of them do.

1102
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: Now there's moments in the second and third round, but

1103
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 3: they're different from the first. The first is ten minutes

1104
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 3: of Mayhem. This is a time capsule of how great

1105
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 3: this version of him may can be. And these are

1106
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 3: the maybe I mean nogg in this category two, but

1107
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 3: at this moment, these were the two best d at

1108
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 3: what they did. I mean the back and forth transitions,

1109
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 3: the ability to both hurt each.

1110
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 4: Other, encounter each other with big shots that they hurt.

1111
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 3: Kro Coop showed on a striking level that that you know,

1112
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: he's just as good as Fador in this and that's

1113
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 3: why they were not quite, not quite in the full

1114
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 3: game together. But he could hang with him and he

1115
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 3: could take some big shots. And it was whereas Nag

1116
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 3: was just taking the big shots and not having his

1117
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 3: own striking moment for the most part, here was here

1118
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: was Krokop having some moments in there and now never

1119
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 3: never with the home run pump, the home run strike,

1120
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: which was the big kick, you know, left foot ambulance

1121
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 3: and right leg ambulance left la cemetery. But the constant threat,

1122
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: especially in that first round, the constant threat that it

1123
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 3: was coming, and then a couple of times he did it,

1124
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 3: and dude, Fader just barely got of the way about

1125
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 3: two of those. And Fader was also coming out with

1126
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: high kicks of his own. That's something that we don't

1127
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: regularly see in his offense. Obviously a much younger version

1128
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: of him. He was willing to put that in to

1129
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 3: show crow Cop that that threat was there too. Fador's

1130
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 3: eye was fucked up at the end of that first round.

1131
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: Ten minutes he could he would have continuous problems with

1132
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: that eye, by the way, throughout the course of his career.

1133
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 4: Those up kicks from Krokop were lethal.

1134
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, both guys finding offense in unique ways and

1135
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: wherever it was. And BC, here's what I also remember

1136
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: about the fight, and this is what I remember before

1137
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: it ever got started, but.

1138
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 4: I felt it throughout. Once it's settled into.

1139
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: The third round again not so much, but through the

1140
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: first particular, do the amount of tension in the fucking room.

1141
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: There's fifty thousand people there and you could cut the

1142
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: tension with a knife. You couldn't believe how it's incredible.

1143
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 3: Every time crow Cop would barely miss a high kick

1144
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: the crow and dude, you remember at the end of

1145
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 3: the in the middle of that first round, he just

1146
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 3: misses a high kick. Fador quickly transitions to take him down,

1147
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 3: but the momentum sends fad Or through the ropes like

1148
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 3: there was just some that hit crazy swings.

1149
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 4: The momentum there that was sick.

1150
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 3: But second and third round Fador started figuring out the

1151
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 3: distance and it became that right hand.

1152
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 4: Dude, when he could start to time you, I'm not

1153
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 4: gonna come, I'm going to say it's little bit different.

1154
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 4: Go ahead.

1155
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: So the lesson for me from this fight was what

1156
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: did he learn about crow Cop that could keep cro

1157
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: Cop off balance again? First ten minutes bananas. But what

1158
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: he eventually figured out was he got him backing up,

1159
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: and not in huge ways, because if you just pressure

1160
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: crow Cop, he'll beat you at that too. But when

1161
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: he got it to do was slightly readjust position by

1162
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: pushing him backwards so he could never set his feet

1163
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: for the big attack in a dominant way.

1164
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 2: Krow Cop is not a volume guy. In that sense.

1165
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: You can throw big combinations and he's got the big

1166
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: strike potential, but he's not going to pop you with volume.

1167
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,439
Speaker 1: So Fador figured out, if I could get this guy

1168
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: inching backwards all the time, he can't ever set to

1169
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: throw his big kick. And this is what also a

1170
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: lot of people eventually wound up doing to Edson Barboza,

1171
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: pressure him so he can't actually set down and use

1172
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: a dynamic kicking game of his.

1173
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 4: I have a key question here.

1174
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: This was August twenty eight, two thousand and five, the

1175
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 3: biggest heavyweight fight of all time in the sports history.

1176
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: Fador would go on to eight more wins after this,

1177
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: Before that losing streak started, ending the ten year twenty

1178
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: seven fight on or twenty eight fight on beating streak

1179
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 3: with the one no contest in there.

1180
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 4: But was this the mountaintop? Was this the very best

1181
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 4: he ever was? And even though he was still great

1182
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 4: afterwards and still great to a certain degree today, never

1183
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 4: ever better than this.

1184
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: This was This was I mean it was even when

1185
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: he beat Nogara, he was the king of the mountain.

1186
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: But this was so big, This was so dramatic, This

1187
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: was so clear that it was the number, This is

1188
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 1: why it was so important. There was just no doubt.

1189
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: This was number one versus number two heavyweight in the planet.

1190
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: That's what this was, no question about it. That's exactly

1191
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: what it was, number one versus number two. I think

1192
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: both guys were Certainly Fador was in his twenties at

1193
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: the time. I have to go back and look at

1194
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: crow Coop's agent. I think it was similar. So we're

1195
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: talking about guys in their prime at the best, with

1196
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: an enormous audience there for all the bragging rights, for

1197
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 1: revenge for his brother.

1198
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,479
Speaker 2: This this was the peak.

1199
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: And what was he twenty two and one, I think,

1200
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: or excuse me, I think into been twenty three and

1201
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: one heading into this contest, an insane record of dominance.

1202
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: And the narrative at times pushed by UFC during the

1203
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 3: back and forth war words between the Dummy and Dana,

1204
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: you know, during that sequence, was that essentially after this time,

1205
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 3: Fader still stayed on in a lot of people's number

1206
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: one pound for pound list or the idea that he's

1207
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 3: the greatest heavyweight in the world and of all time.

1208
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 3: But I think sometimes the narrative became okay, this became

1209
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 3: the beginning of soft matchmaking and fighting more Hongman.

1210
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 4: Choic type fights. But that's not the case when you

1211
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 4: look at this eight fight stretch between the Crow cop Win,

1212
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 4: which is like the mountaintop and eventually the Fabricio over

1213
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 4: Doom loss and the transition to Strike Force. Yeah, it's

1214
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 4: actually not. I mean, okay, Zuluzino is a is a

1215
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 4: wild card fight, but he rematches Mark Coleman fights Mark Hunt,

1216
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 4: Matt Linlan. Okay, you got Hongman choice. Airlin was a middleweight,

1217
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 4: all right, I hear what you're saying there.

1218
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: And also the famous thing on the Matt Linland fight

1219
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: was fed or grabbed the ropes on a takedown.

1220
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 4: So would you say though, that that was the beginning

1221
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 4: of a stretch of soft matchmaking for sure.

1222
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: I mean, you got to remember during this era, so

1223
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: the historically speaking, the this is when the yakuza was

1224
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: beginning to cause problems for Pride. Remember they were sold

1225
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven, so this is not long

1226
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: after this, about a year and a half after this, basically,

1227
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 1: and so.

1228
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: He was able to bounce around a little bit.

1229
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: So to your point, he thought to Lasino, then Mark

1230
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 1: Coleman Pride thirty two, which was the one in Las Vegas.

1231
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: That's the famous card where folks don't remember where Nick

1232
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: Diaz google plot attack NORMI. Oh, yeah, famous card that

1233
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 1: he fought in Bodog fight Matt Linlan. But he grabbed

1234
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: the ropes on that one. It was kind of weird.

1235
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: And then he beat Hongman Choy in the Year Onoka fight,

1236
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: which was also kind of weird. And then it was

1237
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: Pride just went away, and so there was just all this.

1238
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: It was just a moment of transition.

1239
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 4: It was the Wamma era.

1240
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 1: It was the Whamma era. So it takes us now

1241
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: all the way back to two thousand and eight.

1242
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 3: So I got to ask you before you get into these,

1243
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 3: because we're going to talk about back to back Affliction

1244
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: pay per view fights, and to a certain degree they

1245
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 3: were received as somewhat legitimate at the time. They were,

1246
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 3: especially since this new WAMMA Heavyweight Championship is on the line.

1247
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 3: And the first one was Tim Silvia, who you wouldn't

1248
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 3: say it was in his prime anymore, but he wasn't

1249
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 3: considered washed up entering this fight. But I want to

1250
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 3: ask you on the whole what was the idea, you know,

1251
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: what was the Afflition. It was a T shirt company

1252
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 3: that suddenly was a Sore Leaf competitor for the UFC.

1253
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the strong word.

1254
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was the first Affliction show

1255
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: they had, like, let's take a break and just watch

1256
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: Mega Death play.

1257
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: And I remember I got killed.

1258
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: I was the time I was editor in chief of

1259
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: Bloody Elbow dot com and I remember getting killed being like,

1260
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: who the fuck?

1261
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: Why?

1262
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 4: Why the fuck is Mega Death? What do we get

1263
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 4: these guys out of here? What do you do? While

1264
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 4: the triller is like that's a great idea.

1265
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. That's why.

1266
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: When Triller did it, I was like, guys, I've seen

1267
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: this movie before. You know where you're headed bankruptcy? Hey

1268
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: did that end up being right?

1269
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 2: Oh?

1270
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 4: Guys need help with moneying? I got friends over at

1271
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 4: the Yeah.

1272
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, just pointing out that it's like every time I

1273
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: know you guys disagree with me, just be sure that

1274
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: we haven't seen this movie before. Anyway, we had, But

1275
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: they were at the time ed hardy shirts were very

1276
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: popular and Affliction had sort of made garish, awful T shirts.

1277
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 4: They are awful.

1278
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: They are awful, and they want to be a part

1279
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: of the MMA business. So they decided to launch a show,

1280
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: now that at the time they had presented it as

1281
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: more than just a show, that we're going to be

1282
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: an alternative to the UFC.

1283
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: But of course that's very, very difficult to do.

1284
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: Nevertheless, the shows did attract a lot of attention affliction one,

1285
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: as I mentioned July seventeenth, in two thousand and nine,

1286
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: I had Tim Sylvia all.

1287
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 3: The can you mention that without much in the Donald

1288
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 3: Trump influenced was he the financial backer in this?

1289
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 4: He?

1290
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 2: I had not sure if he was a financial backer

1291
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 2: or not. I don't recall him being.

1292
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 4: But he was competing against his old friend Dana right

1293
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 4: that he was trying to get into the.

1294
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 2: Bill a little bit. Yes, that's right.

1295
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: He was a supporter of them, and this had but

1296
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: this had done like around I think one hundred thousand

1297
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: paper view buys and at two million dollars gate. Sylvia

1298
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: had come into this as the previous champion. But to

1299
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: your point, BC, he was, you know, a lesser version

1300
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: of himself.

1301
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, not quite Ray Mercer level fight.

1302
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,959
Speaker 1: He had beaten in two thousand and six Arlovsky again

1303
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: than Jeff Monson. Then he lost to Katur and Catur's

1304
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 1: major comeback. He rebounded against Brandon Vera, who was probably

1305
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 1: competing at the wrong way class.

1306
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: Then he lost to Noghira, and then he.

1307
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: Was by the way and then that was that where

1308
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: he got his arm broken or was that the Franklin

1309
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: That was Frankmir he got he got submitted by Nogara.

1310
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: But I want to point out something. He was beating

1311
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 1: the Jesus out of Noghira before Noghera turned it around,

1312
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: which made it a legendary Noghera performance. And it's a

1313
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: loss on Sylvia's record, but if you watch that fight,

1314
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: Sylvia was piece.

1315
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: In Noghira up in that contest big time.

1316
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: So then he leaves the UFC right, having lost two

1317
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: of his last three, but in general still like a

1318
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 1: viable contender. And so you thought, Okay, finally, finally Fador's

1319
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: gonna fight.

1320
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 4: Pride's gone, Fador's free in the States too. In the States, we're.

1321
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: Gonna have fad Or and this was his US American debut.

1322
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna get in versus a former UFC heavyweight champion

1323
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: who's not washed. All right, this is gonna tell us something. Well,

1324
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: it told you that fad Or was many things, not

1325
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: least of which a terrible matchups for Tim Sylvia.

1326
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 4: What do you remember?

1327
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 3: And I watched this pay per view live while working

1328
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 3: at ESPN. I was working behind the scenes and mme

1329
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 3: live at the time, so I was I had some

1330
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 3: elements of my job was actually covering the mixed martial

1331
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 3: arts scene Brandy Coutur, Jay Glazer, Frank Tregg on commentary.

1332
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 4: But they did have Michael Buffer. I mean it was.

1333
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 3: Yes, parts of it I look back and it feels

1334
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 3: minor leagues, but parts of it also felt big heading

1335
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 3: into that.

1336
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: So here was the blessing and the curse of it.

1337
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: I actually tweeted this yesterday on my own personal Twitter

1338
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: account I found in doing research for this, just to

1339
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 1: you know, go back and watch. We're gonna talk about

1340
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 1: just a second, the fad Or versus we Doom fight

1341
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: and how Jimmy Lynnon Jr. Did the intros for Strike

1342
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: Force and how cool it was to hear a guy

1343
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: like Jimmy lenn and Junior do MMA fighters. I gotta

1344
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: tell you, I had the exact same feeling listening to

1345
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: Michael Buffer call these ones.

1346
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: It was great.

1347
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 4: So they spent money in a lot of ways that

1348
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 4: now look like very cool.

1349
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: At the time, they did not make their money back

1350
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 1: on pay per view, and they had huge, huge debts

1351
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: to pay essentially in terms of both what they vowed

1352
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: the fighters and then the show itself. They didn't make

1353
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: any money to try it again, and then it was

1354
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: a disaster. They tried a third one, which Josh Burnett

1355
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: kind of fucked up for him.

1356
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 3: And then one thing I don't remember in hindsight, I

1357
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 3: wonder if you do, was Dana counter promoting this was

1358
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 3: he trashing it public He.

1359
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 2: Was trashing at publicly.

1360
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: In fact, he the guy who was in charge of

1361
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: affliction Dana was calling him the T shirt guy, and

1362
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 1: he would make a big argument. He was like, imagine

1363
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: that people just said we're going to be an alternative

1364
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: to NASCAR, and we're going to call ourselves this is

1365
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: what his thing was, was called we're going to call

1366
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: ourselves gas car and we're just going to be different.

1367
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 2: And Dana said that, yeah, that was I.

1368
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 4: Mean that the CEO of Power Slap said.

1369
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: Yes, that was his big reports car.

1370
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: But you know, in general, what he really did have

1371
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: was this is where Dana the you know, the megalomaniac

1372
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: controller comes into play. But also Dana the fight fan,

1373
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: and he just knew like what these shows cost and

1374
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: what was required and what kind of bandwidth they actually had,

1375
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: and sure.

1376
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 2: Enough they eventually imploded.

1377
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: But BC he catches Tim Silvia with a three punch

1378
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: combination to start it off fatally.

1379
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 3: We can loop this into the second and final Affliction

1380
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 3: pay per view here for Fador, where he also took

1381
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 3: on Andre Alovski, which, again, at the time, you could

1382
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 3: make a case, I mean Alowski's career.

1383
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 2: Alaski was twenty.

1384
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 3: Nine after winning the heavyweight championship and then losing and

1385
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 3: being in those those rivalries there, I mean, there were

1386
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 3: some high there was some peaks and valleys, so it's

1387
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 3: hard to remember, of course exactly what we were thinking

1388
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 3: of him at this time. But those are both credible fights.

1389
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 3: But was it the fact that Fador mopped up on

1390
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 3: them so easily? Do you think that almost hurt his standing?

1391
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 3: Like these two fights in a way can say, Okay,

1392
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 3: here's two guys from the UFC that Fader gets to

1393
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 3: fight in the States, so it could justify those that

1394
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 3: stand on the line that say, no, Fador is the

1395
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 3: best heavyweight even though he hasn't fought in the UFC. Obviously,

1396
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 3: by this point the UFC has passed out Pride and

1397
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 3: even Strike he's competing with Strikeforce.

1398
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 4: But you get my point here. He almost beat him

1399
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 4: too easily, where it almost made those opponents look like

1400
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 4: they were no longer ready for prime time.

1401
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: Well yes, said no Sylvia, Yes, I mean Sylvia just

1402
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 1: got completely mowed down. The story for me, if Arlosky

1403
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: is interesting a Sarlovsky was landing the right hand several times.

1404
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: Oh well yeah, and push kicked Fador into the ropes

1405
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: and then if you watch it in real time, like

1406
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: how did Rolovsky fall?

1407
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 4: And then you see he ate a huge punch jumping

1408
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 4: on the way in.

1409
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 1: Again to me, though at the time we were like, okay,

1410
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: Arlovsky showed that Fador is human, but Fador is also

1411
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: fad or right, where again, sometimes they're just dealing and

1412
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: then sometimes the reality about a guy that good, the

1413
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 1: champion that good, is you're going to get dealt with.

1414
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: At times you have to come back, and he did.

1415
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: People made more of the Arlotsky's success than deserved to be.

1416
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: But Arlotsky did perform ably and did show he could

1417
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: be hurt and landed on and it was an interesting

1418
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: way to sort of think about it, let.

1419
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 4: Me correct myself in real time.

1420
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 3: Arlovsky entered that fad Or fight on a five fight

1421
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 3: win streak and some of the names. A decision went

1422
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 3: over for Brisy Overdoom, a knockout of Jacobrien, a knockout

1423
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 3: of Ben Rothwell, a knockout of Roy Nelson under the lead.

1424
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 4: Ye dude, that's a pretty goddamn good rule. So yeah,

1425
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 4: he came in there absolutely legit.

1426
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 3: The Faedor loss, though, would be the beginning of a

1427
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 3: four fight losing streak where we began to cut him out,

1428
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 3: but he was even up till today, He's always found

1429
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 3: a way to reboot, Okay, So if Fliction goes away,

1430
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 3: Fador gets those two wins over known American names. Do

1431
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 3: you remember that transition period between what's going to happen

1432
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 3: next and what ultimately led to the cross promotions between

1433
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 3: Scott Coker and Strikeforce and One Globe.

1434
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: Basically, Dana and the UFC promised that they were going

1435
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: to sign fad Or. They went to a private island

1436
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: to meet with him and they were like, we're going

1437
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: to make this happen, and they threw a ton of

1438
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: money at him.

1439
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 2: We've had this Francis and gond New conversations, and these

1440
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 2: are different.

1441
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: I just don't think Fador liked Dana White as a person, yes,

1442
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: and or at a bare minimum, just didn't like the

1443
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: way he did business, which was very American, hard nosed,

1444
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 1: in your face. You know, we'll pay a lot of money,

1445
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: but you know, we run the show and you're here

1446
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: with us, and he's just.

1447
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 3: I mean, the UFC was never going to co promote

1448
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 3: with k one like Coker was willing to the one

1449
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 3: like Coker was willing to do in order to make.

1450
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 4: That happen, right, They were never gonna lee and by

1451
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 4: the way, it was successful.

1452
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,439
Speaker 3: They end up on CBS, you know, and doing five

1453
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,439
Speaker 3: point four million peak viewers against Brett Rogers.

1454
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 4: We'll get to in a second. But I get it

1455
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 4: if that was the if that was the point of

1456
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 4: no return of the negotiations for UFC. I get why

1457
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 4: it didn't happen. You wish it.

1458
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 3: What could have happened. It is the heavyweight fight that

1459
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 3: got away. Maybe Jones and Ganda will become that as well.

1460
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 3: But as it stands in your memory, Banks at this point,

1461
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 3: who would have won, Randy or Fador if they fought

1462
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 3: right here after Fador had gotten out of Pride, the

1463
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 3: unbeaten streak still alive. He just knocked out the two

1464
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 3: best heavyweights you could face an affliction. Who wins Randy

1465
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 3: versus Fador right here, right now in two thousand and nine.

1466
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: Probably fad Or, But that's very hard to say, very

1467
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: hard to say, because I could see him, especially in

1468
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: the cage, getting trapped and getting beat up on. In

1469
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: fact that that would happen in twenty eleven. I was

1470
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: actually at that fight. Yeah, so let's move on.

1471
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 3: Well, did you see any signs because we're gonna move

1472
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 3: on into his Strikeforce run, which is the beginning.

1473
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 4: Of Human fad Or? Right, Yes, so did you see

1474
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 4: any signs before the Brett Rodgers fight? The Human Again.

1475
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: Karolowski fight was the one where folks were beginning to

1476
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: say again Fador pulled it out with fad Or tricks,

1477
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: but the fact that he was getting touched up as

1478
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: easily as he was by Rolovsky made people go, hmm,

1479
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: that's interesting. And then of course they had this big

1480
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: attempt by the UFC to sign him. It doesn't work.

1481
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: Strikeforce has this huge press release. I'll never forget getting it.

1482
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: I was actually taking a shower and I looked at

1483
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: my phone. I was like, holy fucking shit, this is

1484
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: no Sorry. I had gotten out and checked my laptop,

1485
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: and then I told my wife we actually couldn't go

1486
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: to a family thing because I had to cover the

1487
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: news anyway. So uh, he ends up fighting Brett Rogers

1488
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: on CBS in the main event, and he wins in

1489
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: just the second round. But BC the first punch for

1490
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: old Brett Rodgers, it breaks Fador's nose and bloodies him up.

1491
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: It's a jab, it's a counter jab, it's a job.

1492
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: What do you remember from this spot?

1493
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 3: I remember thinking the beginning of Oh my god, is

1494
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 3: fade or human? But what I didn't remember in hindsight

1495
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 3: I always remember because I've watched it live.

1496
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 4: It was a monster deal, dude. It peaked five point

1497
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 4: four million viewers in CBS. I mean, this was as

1498
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 4: big of a at.

1499
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 3: That moment in time with this where TV was in

1500
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 3: ratings and expectations, this was big. Fador was a six

1501
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 3: and one favorite coming in. Brett Rodgers was ten. And

1502
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 3: oh but when they made this matchup, we were like, oh,

1503
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 3: Rogers is a puncher.

1504
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 4: This could be fun.

1505
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 3: But I remember distinctively thinking, dude, Rogers is going to

1506
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 3: be out of his element in this fight, you know,

1507
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 3: skill for skill, like he's probably gonna gass out, He's.

1508
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 4: Going to get handled to some degree. That still happened.

1509
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 3: I still can't believe what happened, and the lead up happened,

1510
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 3: which is that counter jab early bus Fador's nose open

1511
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,479
Speaker 3: and becomes a problem with his breathing. And also, dude,

1512
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 3: we have to give Brett Rodgers credit. Now his career

1513
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 3: would kind of begin to slowly unravel along with his

1514
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 3: personal life after this fight. This is certainly his mountaintop

1515
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 3: moment in terms of being in as big of a fight.

1516
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 3: But dude, he showed out the best he could. Yes,

1517
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 3: he was not remotely afraid of the aura of fad or, which, dude,

1518
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 3: it happens to a lot of people. And whether it

1519
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 3: was their transitions on the ground, or him getting out

1520
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 3: of submission attempts, or him just stay ending up and

1521
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 3: being physical along the cage. Dude, there were a couple

1522
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 3: moments of his fador in over his head here against

1523
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 3: just a hungry guy that maybe he you know, he

1524
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 3: didn't anticipate.

1525
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: I thought that, folks kind of exaggerated a little bit

1526
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: of his weaknesses, but I thought that, you know, one

1527
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: of the things that really began to this was the

1528
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: first time I had thought Fador really athletically slowed down.

1529
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: He wasn't the biggest heavyweight, but by virtue of his

1530
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: explosivity and he was strong and his speed, he could

1531
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: just kind of manipulate guys and move them around.

1532
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 2: And it didn't work against Bret. Reggie was tradition.

1533
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 3: It's one sequence that's really the highlight clip for Rogers.

1534
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 3: But when he landed about four straight bunches.

1535
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 4: It reminded me of fad Or Nogia from their first fight.

1536
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 2: Were by the head beat.

1537
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 4: Mind me of Silva on Fador coming up here too.

1538
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 4: But you know he actually got out of an armbar

1539
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 4: attempt too, So that was, Yeah, that was the beginning

1540
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 4: of thinking, dude, it's kind of caught up with Fador

1541
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 4: because Rogers I gave credit for being that ballsy, but

1542
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 4: you didn't think he's war class at that point, correct,

1543
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 4: You thought he was tough. He was trying to know

1544
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 4: with ten first round KOs I'm not trying to say,

1545
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 4: but yeah, it wasn't the same as change.

1546
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: And by the way, I think he had beaten I

1547
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: believe he had beaten Arlovsky on the way to that point,

1548
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: knocked him out inside of a round twenty seconds, right,

1549
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: So you were like, okay, but that was like one

1550
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: of arl Lobsky's like really bad moments in his career.

1551
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: He sent rebounded obviously quite well, but this was the

1552
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: first time I did see him athletically not quite have

1553
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: the same you know, remember, if you're muscling around and

1554
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: moving around Kevin Randallman, you gotta be doing something right.

1555
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 2: He couldn't do it to Brett.

1556
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 4: Rogers, he was just too big, and Rogers guest dude,

1557
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 4: Rogers gas.

1558
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: But then fade Or did what fade Or at that

1559
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: point had always done miracles, and he landed a fucking

1560
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: bomb of a right hand.

1561
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 4: The sound the sound of that, rewatch it.

1562
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: The sound of that is insane, like a firework going off,

1563
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: and it actually not only just drops Rogers, it actually

1564
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: spins him a little bit the same And that was

1565
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: really all she wrote, which delivered for CBS, and by

1566
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: the way, created controversy because between the Arlovsky and now

1567
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: Rogers fights, you're like, wait a second, I've seen fade

1568
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: Or hurt. I've seen him bleed. We hadn't seen m

1569
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: really bleed that, like, oh, that's not quite true. We

1570
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: hadn't seen him bleed, and and also look vulnerable in

1571
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: the way that he did. This was a This was

1572
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: a culmination of like weaknesses beginning to pile up on

1573
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: each other, which led to arguably the worst stage of

1574
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: his career, no question about it, a three fight losing streak.

1575
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 4: Let's just put it out there.

1576
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 2: He loses to Ferbisio over Doom.

1577
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 4: But I think you have to stay there for a second.

1578
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: Well, let me just read about real quick for Bizio

1579
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: ver Doom, which was in June of twenty ten. Then

1580
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: in let's see February of twenty eleven, he lost to

1581
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: Antonio Silva. By the way, he got stopped in that one,

1582
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: and then he got stopped by Dan Henderson in July

1583
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: of that year.

1584
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 4: Go ahead, I don't think you can go that fast.

1585
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 3: Because not only was the Silver the announcement of the

1586
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,919
Speaker 3: Strikeforce Grand Prix, which having over Em and for Doom

1587
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 3: under the banner along with Fader, was a legitimate idea

1588
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 3: of we are competing with the UFC. There was a

1589
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 3: damn video game by EA Sports, right, Yes, that's straightforward,

1590
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 3: like I remember wanting that so badly. Dude, tell me

1591
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 3: if I'm true of everything that's happened in Fador's career.

1592
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 3: And he's been in bigger fights of course, like cro

1593
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 3: Copper and bigger moments like getting slammed on his head

1594
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 3: by Randallman to some degree, where were you when it happened?

1595
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 3: Moment in Fader's entire career? For me is this verdoom

1596
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 3: fight that's right, twenty seven, twenty seven and zero with

1597
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 3: one no contest for nine and a half years coming

1598
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 3: in and he not only lost, dude, he kind of

1599
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 3: I mean he almost got subbed, and he got out

1600
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 3: of it, and then he got subbed again.

1601
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 4: Dude, it kind of was a bad look on top

1602
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 4: of that. Dude, that was a before and after a moment.

1603
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 4: I remember what life felt like as an MA fan

1604
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 4: before and then after. And even though the Rogers fight

1605
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 4: was a harbinger of the doom that could come, this

1606
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 4: wasn't like fat or got stopped. It wasn't as messy

1607
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 4: and gross as a silver fight. This was he just

1608
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 4: got caught in Brazilian jiu jitsu jiujitsu one, which was

1609
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 4: Gus's favorite.

1610
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 2: Well, I had this argument.

1611
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: I remember when Verdom fought Noghera, I was like, dude,

1612
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: Verdum is way better on the ground than Noghara. Noghera

1613
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: had this aura from his pride days as being like

1614
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: the best submission oriented heavyweight, and I'm like, no, Verdoom

1615
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: is radically better than him, like in every way, he's

1616
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: much better than him.

1617
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,439
Speaker 2: Even this, and this was not the fully foreign version

1618
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 2: of due.

1619
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: This is a Verdun that had had a shit rocked

1620
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: by Antonio Silva right and had barely eked out a

1621
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: win against that guy.

1622
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 2: And You're like, okay, he's okay, and.

1623
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 4: He could be he could be vulnerable on the feet

1624
01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 4: at this point, super I.

1625
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: Remember JDS uppercutted him and just dropped him down. But

1626
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: you knew from sport jiu jitsu that Verdom had a

1627
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: sick guard. Obviously was a world champion in and out

1628
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: the Geese, so you knew he was legit there and

1629
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: BC I went back and I watched this, and then

1630
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, now I have a much more educated ey

1631
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: had than before.

1632
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 2: It was so funny. How does he win?

1633
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: Fador drops him right and tries to get on top

1634
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: a triangle, nearly gets locked up and he can't quite

1635
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: do it, and Fider gets out of it. But what

1636
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: does Verdom do? Verdom, instead of getting his legs passed

1637
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: to the side, he just inverts and rolls to the

1638
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: back of his neck and when he does, he's able

1639
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,439
Speaker 1: to reorient his guard right underneath fad Or. At the time,

1640
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: Fador never is able to get out of it. The

1641
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: way to get out of it was to go where

1642
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: the fence was, which was blocking him. So he gets

1643
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: trapped in the guard again. And I'm sorry, dude, once

1644
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: a black belt world champion has his triangle locked on you.

1645
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: And by the way, this was like a minute into

1646
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: the fight, so you're fully dry. It's a wrap, homie.

1647
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 2: That is over.

1648
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 4: I remember so many videos were made by jiu jitsu experts,

1649
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 4: Gracie Brothers and stuff about how this happened.

1650
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 3: It was considered a monster victor for BJJ. Gus Johnson

1651
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 3: called it out with his famous call of virgilian jiu jitsu.

1652
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 3: Finally he throws the champion. But dude, the idea of

1653
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 3: is fate or the greatest heavyweight of all time?

1654
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 4: Or is it Randy? And could that fight still happen?

1655
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,959
Speaker 3: Was still so frush heading into this fight, because Dana

1656
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 3: famously tweeted, what was lol or ha ha right after.

1657
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 2: Fade or tap maybe uh smiley face.

1658
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, something like that.

1659
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 3: That was just like the ultimate I told you guys

1660
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 3: he was fighting can crushers, even though that's not the.

1661
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 4: ACTI meanwhile, it was actually the toughest heavyweight. Yeah they had,

1662
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 4: but dude, that was insane that moment. It was like

1663
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 4: everything we believed. You know, it's it's Silva getting dropped

1664
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 4: by wide man, it's Santa Claus' threat, it's finding out

1665
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 4: about Santa Claus. That was that type of moment. Dude.

1666
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: It was Matt it was it was it was GSP

1667
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: getting getting knocked out by uh Sarah.

1668
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 2: That's what it was like. However big that was for you.

1669
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 3: It was that I will never forget for a doomed celebration,

1670
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 3: the look on his face. I just I'll never forget

1671
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 3: that moment, that stunned feeling of like.

1672
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 4: How about dude.

1673
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: You can see the uh you could see the Showtime

1674
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: execs with their headsets on, like the production.

1675
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 2: Team gobs the back.

1676
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 4: They're like, oh, they can't believe. I was like that too.

1677
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 2: I'm not even mad. At him.

1678
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: I was like that too, and also the crowd in

1679
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: San Jose quiet as a church mouse.

1680
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 3: I find it crazy that we never got a crow

1681
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 3: Cop rematch for Fador because considering Fader is still fighting,

1682
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 3: I found it.

1683
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 4: Crazy we never got a Verdom rematch. I'm starring how

1684
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 4: quick that was.

1685
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 3: I know, But Luke, that suddenly changed the idea of

1686
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 3: exactly where Fador is at.

1687
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 4: And like we said, now you go back to the

1688
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 4: Rogers fight. We started to see a lot.

1689
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 3: It's culminating, but yet we still have this monster tournament

1690
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 3: to announce, and we know what happened. They wanted over

1691
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 3: in versus Fador more than anything, but on the same

1692
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 3: side of the bride.

1693
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 4: We didn't get there. It didn't happen.

1694
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 3: And a big reason why is because Antonio Bigfoot Silva.

1695
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 3: While we talk about him much differently now, dude, at

1696
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 3: this point he had put things together and he was

1697
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 3: becoming something.

1698
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah he folks forget Silva now has turned into, I

1699
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: hate to say it, a bit of a punch line.

1700
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: At least, it's certainly a cause for concern. But he

1701
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: was the previous when this mattered. He was the previous

1702
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: Alitic Sea heavyweight champion. He was a black belt in

1703
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu. I remember he went on to beat guys

1704
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: like Travis Brown. He went onto our noise. He beat

1705
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: to Oveream as well in UFC like he was far

1706
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 1: far from not even done, far from his peak at

1707
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: this point. And BC I was actually at this fight.

1708
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: I'm still mad at Strikeforce to this. Hey, I've told

1709
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: you about this. They held this fight at the Izod

1710
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: Center and some absolutely horrible part of New Jersey, Newark.

1711
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 2: No iod center was the Ion Center.

1712
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 4: Oh that's East Rust Rutherford.

1713
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 2: Yes, that's way out there.

1714
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 4: So that's the old Brendan Bernerina. That's where the nets

1715
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 4: played is.

1716
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: And I remember they sat me so far away from

1717
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: the cage, the real MMA media at the time. I

1718
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,439
Speaker 1: was again, I was running SPI Nation at the time.

1719
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 1: The real MMA media got to sit when actually was

1720
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: the penalty box of the ice hockey rink, and they

1721
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: put me all the way back at the I there

1722
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: was literally not a seat behind me, like the only

1723
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,439
Speaker 1: thing behind me and you still hold the scrudge today again. Yeah,

1724
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: So they put up pyrotechnics behind me and when they

1725
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 1: lit the flames, I could feel them and I had

1726
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: to pay for travel out of my own pocket, like

1727
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: this is back when, because Box Media is a terrible company,

1728
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 1: they wouldn't they wouldn't, they wouldn't send me anywhere, So

1729
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: I had to pay for this out of my own pocket.

1730
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,479
Speaker 4: Box Media was the professional matchmaker that made this happen.

1731
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a way, but the point being is the

1732
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: I paid for that out of my own pocket, the hotel,

1733
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: stay and everything, and they sat me all the way

1734
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: in the back so when the pyrotechnics were on, I

1735
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: could feel the heat on my neck and the eyes

1736
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 1: center screen was so small BC I couldn't see the

1737
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: fights or the screen. It actually ended up being a

1738
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: giant waste of time that I went it.

1739
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 4: Was it Danny Brenner's fault or not? That's the real question.

1740
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 1: In hind se I asked Danny Brenner. Danny Brenner about that.

1741
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: He has denied it, but I don't know. I actually

1742
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:15,439
Speaker 1: don't know who's at FULT.

1743
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 3: I got similar seats for the second, No, the first,

1744
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, the first Canelo triple g and I'll never

1745
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,560
Speaker 3: forgive Golden Boy for this. I got similar Just just

1746
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 3: put out to pasture where the ring post is blocking

1747
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 3: you from the corner in your far away but who cares, Luke,

1748
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 3: this knocked him out of the tournament. But even worse

1749
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 3: than this, dude like this, This was one of the

1750
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 3: saddest moments of my mma, and just.

1751
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: The way that Silva beat him. And then this is

1752
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: what really I always stands out to me because I

1753
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: had to stand up and watch. I'll never forget standing

1754
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: up and looking across and seeing Antonio Bigfoot Silva mounted

1755
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: on top of fad Or raining punches like this and

1756
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: Fador unable to move him.

1757
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 3: Dude, he wasn't even n forget blocking them, he wasn't

1758
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 3: in his face turned into hamburger. And because of Fador's

1759
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 3: reputation for taking a beating, they did kind of let

1760
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 3: this go right too far and it was a monster

1761
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 3: moment for Silva, and he would go on to kind

1762
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 3: of put over Daniel Cormier getting dropped by one punch

1763
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 3: in this whole tournament which was supposed to be about over.

1764
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 4: Em and Fador.

1765
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 3: Fador loses over him, gets hurt and pulls out in

1766
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 3: its late replacement Danielkormeer. That of course begins the start

1767
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 3: of his story career. But dude, I thought I thought

1768
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 3: this was it for fad or you had to think

1769
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 3: this was it. Maybe not it forever, but you had

1770
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 3: to think like this was the end of that run

1771
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 3: of thinking that he's not only a mortal, and a

1772
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 3: lot of that lost against Verdoom. But even if you

1773
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 3: could talk yourself into the idea of against Verdum.

1774
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 4: He just got caught or he just got caught. Dude,

1775
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 4: it was a stupid move, but he just got caught.

1776
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 4: There was nothing about this that he just got caught.

1777
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: Like no, but I will say one piece of way,

1778
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: which we were discussing the fight at the time, which was, okay,

1779
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: he couldn't beat those guys, all right, fair enough, But

1780
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: for Dooom is a huge guy, and Antonio Silva is

1781
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 1: a huge guy.

1782
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 2: Hello, his nickname is Bigfoot. He's too he's too small

1783
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 2: for them.

1784
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,560
Speaker 1: Strike Force agreed, so in the fight subsequent to that,

1785
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 1: they booked him Dan Henderson.

1786
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 4: Let's say what we will.

1787
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 3: Scott Cooker has done a lot of great things in

1788
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 3: this game, and we always talk honestly about decisions being

1789
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 3: made like we would anybody else, even though we're all

1790
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,919
Speaker 3: under the same flag. This is one of my favorite

1791
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 3: Scott Coker plays like this right here, like, you know what,

1792
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 3: but we do have.

1793
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 4: Hendo who's has experience in multiple divisions, and we do

1794
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 4: have Fad or what if we did put them together

1795
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 4: at a catchweight? They did, and this is one of

1796
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 4: my favorite fights of all time.

1797
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 2: Another one of Henderson's fights that's absolutely insane.

1798
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 4: Actually last four minutes and twelve seconds.

1799
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 3: So the return to Chicago here for Strikeforce, which along

1800
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 3: with San Jose, was a big deal in a consistent

1801
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 3: draw for them, and Hoffman estates Illinois there. But Luke

1802
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 3: Fador and the white gloves, which became a thing around

1803
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 3: this time in Strikeforce. Anytime Fader's fighting with light white gloves,

1804
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 3: there's just something about it, you know, you get the

1805
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 3: blood on them and whatever. But Morel said it best,

1806
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 3: and the roof is literally coming off the Seers Center.

1807
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 3: The crowd had lost their shit in this fight in

1808
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 3: ways that I can compared to like nineteen eighties regional wrestling,

1809
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 3: well you know what I mean, like where those crowds

1810
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:05,640
Speaker 3: are just like it's so real to us, damn it

1811
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 3: that we're willing to chase you down the aisland and

1812
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 3: throw our purse at you. Because this fight was insanity

1813
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 3: of Gopher broke punches because they were both stunned early.

1814
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 3: And Hendo was always great where if you heard him

1815
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 3: big time like fad Or, he was always had an

1816
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 3: ability to keep his head and still land intelligent hammer shots.

1817
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 3: But they both went into full on crazy video game

1818
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 3: caveman mode and it never got off of that, no.

1819
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 2: And they were dropped each other. They would hurt each other.

1820
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 4: You don't even know how it ended, right. You had

1821
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 4: to watch the replay like three times.

1822
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 2: Well you saw it.

1823
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: Henderson came up underneath the arm of fade Or and

1824
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: he didn't ever see it because he was flat on

1825
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,679
Speaker 1: his base like this. So the punch hit here underneath

1826
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: his arm, knocked his head back and then he fell

1827
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: forward and then Henderson finished him off from there.

1828
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 2: I think it was the right hand.

1829
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't the H bomb, but it was the hand

1830
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: that delivers the H bomb essentially, and that polished him

1831
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 1: off there in the end of that four to twelve,

1832
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: And I got to tell YOUBC what he had lost

1833
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: three in a row at that point, again two to

1834
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 1: very big, large heavyweights, but then to Dan Henderson, who

1835
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: was a middleweight.

1836
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 2: In certain ways, you were like, this might be the

1837
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 2: end of fad or this might be the end.

1838
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 4: What does that win mean for Dan Henderson's career.

1839
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 3: He's got so many great wins of Unfortunately he never

1840
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 3: got to win the UFC title. He's one of the

1841
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 3: best to never have done that. But like there win

1842
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 3: just a crazy fight that he happened to win, or

1843
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 3: do you look.

1844
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 4: At that as one of his biggest accomplishment.

1845
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 2: One of his biggest accomplishments.

1846
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: Hendo was part of a gun slinger era and he

1847
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,799
Speaker 1: was one of the sort of quick essential gun slingers

1848
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: for that era. He got better over time, he polished

1849
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: off his weapons and got slicker over time as well.

1850
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: But he just always had a major punching advantage and

1851
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,600
Speaker 1: a willingness to take on big challenges. And yeah he

1852
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: would spectactally lose sometimes but due when he won, my god,

1853
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 1: it was you know, thunderous every time.

1854
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 4: So Moro said, this was the H bomb against the

1855
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 4: F bomb.

1856
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: I like that, by the way, come on, And then

1857
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: Dan Henderson was able to parlay this, by the way,

1858
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: even though he got worked over by Jake Shields, he

1859
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: was able to parlay this to return to the UFC.

1860
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: He'd actually go back and then later have great days

1861
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:57,440
Speaker 1: with the Ultimate Fighting Championship.

1862
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 2: So now we're at a stage where a fad or

1863
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 2: is I think thirty one one.

1864
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 4: Thirty four is a few months away from turning thirty five.

1865
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: But I'm saying his record thirty one, and so he's

1866
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 1: now lost four but three legitimate, the one to.

1867
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 2: Tyoshikosaka not so legitimate. But this is when he goes

1868
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 2: on weird journey.

1869
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 3: Well, dude, this is when you thought it was officially over.

1870
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 3: I thought it was over even though he was. Was

1871
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 3: I to say it was thirty about to thirty five?

1872
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, he'd been fighting for a long time.

1873
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 4: Way in which he had.

1874
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 3: Lost these, especially the Silva one, which stands out, but

1875
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 3: the way in which he had lost all three of them,

1876
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 3: even though obviously he could have won that Dan Hende

1877
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 3: fight if something had just switched, switched and gone his way, Dude,

1878
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 3: I felt like he had lost a considerable step after this.

1879
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, remember also Strikeforce got bought out and absorbed

1880
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: into UFC. So the two organizations he had fought for previously,

1881
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: Pride to Strikeforce, they're now taken up and they're now gone,

1882
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: and he just is lost into the wilderness. He had

1883
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 1: this relationship with m One. He fights Jeff Monson in

1884
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 1: November of twenty eleven, he wins. He fights to Toshiishi

1885
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 1: and Dream on New Year's Even twenty eleven, he wins.

1886
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 2: He thought Paedroizzo who was washed.

1887
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is hit Barnes farming tour.

1888
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: Yes, and then he feeds a guy named Jade Seeing

1889
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 1: who you've never heard froim since and rising he fought. Now,

1890
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 1: this is the one that also was really bad BC

1891
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen because he didn't fight in twenty thirteen

1892
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: or fourteen at all. He I guess retired following the

1893
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: Patrozo fight, came back at twenty fifteen and fought sing

1894
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 1: and then in twenty sixteen fought Fabio Maldonado at Fight

1895
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 1: Night's Global fifteen. That fight, Fabio Maldonado should have won

1896
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 1: that fight. They should have stopped it. He beat the

1897
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: living shit out of fad or In.

1898
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 3: That was This is I don't know as a corruptor inept,

1899
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 3: but I was so truth. I was on majority decision.

1900
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 4: I was live on the air when this fight was

1901
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 4: going the afternoon. I remember that I was calling it on.

1902
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 1: Serious extem at the time, and I remember being like,

1903
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: this is a crime.

1904
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 2: They haven't stopped this fight.

1905
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: Fador lost badly in this one, and they robbed Maldonado

1906
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: and turn it into a decision win for him. Make

1907
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 1: no mistake, Fador lost that one and lost it badly.

1908
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 4: So he sits out a full year.

1909
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 3: Yet he's on a five fight win streak, even though

1910
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:50,959
Speaker 3: he got the crap beat out of him by Maldonado

1911
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 3: and didn't deserve the decision.

1912
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 4: And now he signs with Belator and it's like, hmm,

1913
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 4: the Coker relationship. Fador feels like he's got a little

1914
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 4: bit left in the tank. I distinctly remember heading into

1915
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 4: Matt Mattrion fight, which was the co main event of

1916
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 4: Bellatore NYC at Madison Square Garden and a pay per

1917
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 4: view with chill Son and versus vander Lei Silova in

1918
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 4: the main event, which did have a certain level of

1919
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 4: like Carney interest at that point, even though they were

1920
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 4: both past it themselves. It did, and you had Pico's debut,

1921
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 4: and this was a big card, and you even had

1922
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 4: a title fight of Phil Davis versus Ryan Bader, which

1923
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 4: was an awful fight in the end, but big names

1924
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 4: big name. Lorenz Larkin was on the car.

1925
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 3: I remember entering the Bellatur portion of the career thinking, okay,

1926
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 3: this is you know, he had just barnstormed around the globe.

1927
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 4: Dude, this is it. This is it, and it's probably

1928
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 4: not going to be pretty and you know, make a

1929
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 4: little money off of it. That's fine, dude, do you

1930
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 4: do you look back on this belatour and I want

1931
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 4: to talk about some of the specifics, but this what

1932
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 4: six fight run? Entering into this title fight he's gonna

1933
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 4: have for a second time. He's four and two and

1934
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 4: that six fight would you have imagined?

1935
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 2: So he comes back, he fights Mattrion. I was there

1936
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 2: that night. Mitrion stops him in what a minute and fourteen?

1937
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:52,560
Speaker 4: But that it doesn't even tell the full story of

1938
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 4: that minute for it. Well, he gets dropped, but he

1939
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 4: double knocked down, double knocked out, but Mitrian was the one.

1940
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 1: Who recovered and then polishes him off, and you're like, okay,

1941
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 1: Fator is done, done, he can't take need damage.

1942
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 4: And then he fought frankmir in twenty eighteen and dress

1943
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 4: it up.

1944
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 3: Bellator goes the root of Coker's old playbook of the

1945
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 3: of the heavyweight World Grand Prix, and even though it

1946
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 3: wasn't the same setting of when Strakeforce did it, to

1947
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 3: legitimately compete against UFC from an interest standpoint, he.

1948
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,600
Speaker 4: Had chaill Sonnon in it. You had King Mo, you

1949
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 4: had Rampage Jackson in your Hadvador, Ryan Batter moving up,

1950
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 4: and you had some other legitimate heavyweight names in there.

1951
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:26,600
Speaker 4: And dude, this was like a revival tour in the

1952
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 4: end for fad Or were correct sort of.

1953
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 1: So he beats Frank mir in round one with a

1954
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: nice shot that Frankmure doesn't he coming a left hand

1955
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: as he gets him to overcommit positionally and he greets

1956
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 1: them here. That was really nice. Then Jail saw it

1957
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: and he you know, not a great fight for Jail.

1958
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 1: Let's just be honest about that. He was kind of

1959
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: floundering all over the place before fad Or basically shut

1960
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 1: the lights out and with ground and pound. And then

1961
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 1: he fights Ryan Bator. Now Ryan Bator polishes him off

1962
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: in thirty five seconds. You're like, Okay, Fador still got

1963
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of punching power, he still got a

1964
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: little bit of speed. He can beat some of these

1965
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 1: older guys. Shouldn't be fighting any of the younger guys.

1966
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 3: Right that again, it felt like another moment where it's like, okay,

1967
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 3: I've seen enough.

1968
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 4: Fado is great, but that's probably it. Thirty five seconds.

1969
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 3: It was the best version of a refurbished Brian, refurbished

1970
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 3: Ryan Bator who figured out really I think maybe his

1971
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:11,440
Speaker 3: best weight class, right, I'm figured.

1972
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 1: Out heavyweight at that time. You know, it was like

1973
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,799
Speaker 1: a light heavyweight Vedeen Nemcov sends him packing.

1974
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 4: And that left hook he was using to win each

1975
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 4: step of the tournament, and you know he got.

1976
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 2: King Mo out of there with it and he oh,

1977
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 2: he beat the shit out of Matt Matrioon.

1978
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 4: I'll rested him the whole row and then polished off fatal.

1979
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 3: I don't remember feeling like, okay, like this is definitely

1980
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 3: an indictment against Fador. It was more about Bader having

1981
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 3: its moment, and this was a big moment, their first

1982
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 3: fight for him. It was a million dollars of the tournament,

1983
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 3: vacant heavyweight championship.

1984
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 4: And of course you beat Fador. Luke. I never would

1985
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 4: have guessed that fight was January twenty nineteen if you

1986
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:41,680
Speaker 4: would have told me, hey, three years later, these two

1987
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 4: were going to rematch on CBS for the title, and

1988
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 4: you're not going to be upset about it. As a

1989
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 4: fan or journalist, you might say, Okay, it's it's kind

1990
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 4: of a gimmick. It's Fado's last fight, but dude, he

1991
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 4: can win this and if anything, has two other fights now,

1992
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 4: the Rampage Jackson fighting.

1993
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 2: The Rampage fight is meaningless.

1994
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 4: I mean, Page was fat, Let's just say it.

1995
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 2: I mean, Rampage looked like one of us. I mean

1996
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 2: that was just a ti.

1997
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 4: But did we expect when Fador on October twenty third,

1998
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one went to Moscow for what we thought

1999
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 4: was his last fight, a Belatur fight Timothy Johnson.

2000
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 3: I did not expect what we saw. A minute forty

2001
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 3: six into it, they're trading big punches and Fador knocks

2002
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 3: him the hell out Bop. So here we are back

2003
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 3: three years after he lost to Bait, and he in

2004
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 3: some ways still has the same puncher's chance because even

2005
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 3: though Ryan Bader's still the heavyweight champion, he's come down

2006
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 3: a peg from where he was as a two division

2007
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 3: champion just due to age, right, I mean, he still

2008
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 3: got it at heavyweight, but he sort of hit his

2009
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 3: limit out light heavyweight.

2010
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 4: Bater's still going to be a big favorite. Yet Old

2011
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 4: fad Or still has quick hands, the willingness to get

2012
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 4: in there in trade, and that last thing that goes

2013
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 4: that was ridiculous power.

2014
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 2: I will say this, I'm glad his career is coming

2015
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:45,759
Speaker 2: to a close.

2016
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 1: It is time. It's probably been time, but it's time.

2017
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:51,600
Speaker 1: And he's not the athletic dynamo that he once was,

2018
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: but he is still fast relatively speaking for heavyweight, and

2019
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: he is extremely powerful. And maybe Baterer is the favorite

2020
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: and probably does deserves to be the favorite, but Old

2021
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 1: fad Or for his last run.

2022
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 2: It would be foolish to write him off. It would

2023
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 2: be foolish.

2024
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 4: The only the only loss outside of the Silva one

2025
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 4: that really still stings with me is the loss of

2026
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 4: the interview I was supposed to have on that media tour.

2027
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 4: What fight was that ahead of Luke, that was ahead

2028
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 4: of Belator NYC.

2029
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 3: When I was a newcomer at CBS Sports and I

2030
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 3: pitched to my people, Hey, I just got the phone

2031
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 3: with Danny Brenner. I could go if I can expense

2032
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 3: a train ticket and go down and use the CBS

2033
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 3: radio studios, which, by the way, are the same studios.

2034
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, Francesca, use this so I would like see

2035
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 3: him walk into the bathroom yep. And you know, I

2036
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 3: was all excited and I interviewed King mohen Bader and

2037
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 3: then Danny was like, oh, Luke, Luke Thomas, you know

2038
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:43,599
Speaker 3: him right, Yeah, yeah, I know him.

2039
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 4: He's going to interview Fader first. But then we got

2040
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 4: a car bringing him over to the studios and you're

2041
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 4: going to get hibc.

2042
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 3: And I'm not doing a bit, Luke. I had always

2043
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:54,560
Speaker 3: wanted Fader and had never been at any of his

2044
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 3: fightser had the chance to catch up with him. This

2045
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 3: has bothered you for And that was during an era

2046
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 3: where I was feeling myself at letting out the interbec

2047
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 3: for the first time, not just in like fun situations,

2048
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 3: but like in legitimate situations, and I would wanted to

2049
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 3: take chances. And I'm like, Luke, I'm going to get

2050
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 3: the best interview anyone's ever gotten with fad Or. Yes,

2051
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 3: you need a translator. It's not going to be easy,

2052
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 3: but I'm going to ask him fun questions and I'm

2053
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 3: going to bring out his personality. And I watched on

2054
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 3: my phone as you asked him about his favorite Russian boats.

2055
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 3: They brought him in movies and quickly, and it was awkward,

2056
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 3: and you tried hard. And I'm not here to talk

2057
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 3: about about you.

2058
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 1: But if you're in my seat, I'm on live. This

2059
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: is the MMA hour for the one year I hosted it.

2060
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: They brought this fucker in studio, God bless him. He

2061
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't give me anything, and I'm live, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,

2062
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 1: no no no. You're going to be here with a

2063
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 1: full twenty. I'm going to get my full twenty out

2064
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 1: of you. You're not going to leave me hanging.

2065
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 3: So so you pressured him on things like Russian literature

2066
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 3: and movie, and I get your angle. You were trying

2067
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 3: in a different way what I was going to try

2068
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 3: to do, which is bring out the personality. He has

2069
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 3: no personality. He's got the same face at all times.

2070
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 3: And then I got the call, Fader will be doing

2071
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 3: no more interviews the rest of the day. The rest

2072
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 3: of his media towards canceled, and having watched that interview,

2073
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 3: I knew exactly why.

2074
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 4: So thanks Luke, here we are today.

2075
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 3: I guess my bonus prize is you and Morning Combat,

2076
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 3: and I guess I'll take it.

2077
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, you ended up going into business with me.

2078
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 1: I just want to point that out. That's how much

2079
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 1: it bothered you. You end up being my business partner.

2080
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 4: I was like that, bitch, I bet I bet he's

2081
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 4: I bet he'll vape one day, that piece of shit.

2082
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 2: He was, right, babe.

2083
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, listen, we could spend a whole other hour

2084
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: two three four talking about fate Or's career, but we

2085
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 1: hope this gives you. If you missed out on some

2086
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 1: of the glory days and some of the not so

2087
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 1: glory days, we still hope this gives you something of

2088
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: an appreciation for a remarkable career for one of the

2089
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 1: very best athletes and one of the very best fighters

2090
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: who's ever graced the professional Mixed Martin.

2091
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 3: Final question as we head into February fourth win or

2092
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 3: a loss for fate Or in his final fight, is

2093
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 3: there an argument still that he's the greatest fighter of

2094
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 3: all time?

2095
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 4: Is that a viable argument in twenty twenty?

2096
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 2: No?

2097
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:56,639
Speaker 1: No, but not best independent of weight class, but certainly

2098
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: with top five power for power?

2099
01:21:58,479 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 4: Is he the best heavyweight ever?

2100
01:21:59,479 --> 01:21:59,679
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2101
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 4: There you go.

2102
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 2: He's just he was a.

2103
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: Special guy, a really special guy. And if you didn't

2104
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: catch all of them. A lot of his fights are

2105
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 1: on UFC fight Pass, YouTube, plenty of other places. Strongly

2106
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 1: encourage you to go watch February fourth, watch the last

2107
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: run of The Last Emperor on CBS when he takes

2108
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: on Ryan Vader for the second time. This is it, folks,

2109
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 1: the end of a very very special career. That's Brian Campbell.

2110
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas. This has been Morning Combat's resume review.

2111
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,680
Speaker 1: We've gotten you're ready. We'll be having all kinds of

2112
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 1: coverage around February fourth. We hope you enjoyed the fights

2113
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 1: at that time, and until next time, enjoy them all.