1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: When he was thinking about whether to retire after the 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three season, he was like, I don't care 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: about three thousand strikeouts, even though he knew exactly how 4 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: many he needed to get to three thousand, you know, 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: it was like he's like, I'm not coming back for that. 6 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 2: Hey, we're back with Andy McCullough, who writes for The 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: Athletic and aside from Clayton Kershaw and everyone that's been 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: a part of what he was able to accomplish. Today 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: is also Andy McCullough day, because he wrote a book 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: called The Last of his Kind. He put poured hours 11 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: and hours of his life into highlighting moments like this. 12 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: It's a biography of Clayton Kershaw. So this is the 13 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: expert to talk about the topic. Andy Gray, to have 14 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: you on, of course, book available everywhere, but tell us 15 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: what last night meant to you in terms of covering 16 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: Clayton for this time period. 17 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 3: Look at that. 18 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: You can even scan it as you're doing. 19 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: WHOA, that's great. Yeah, I enjoyed Kratz's reaction. I also 20 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: did not know my birthday is next week though, so 21 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, feel free to yeah, send me through something. 22 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 3: And for me personally, like, you know, it's. 23 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: It's a weird process writing a biography about someone. I 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: think you spend a lot of time thinking about them 25 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: and trying and talking to them and talking to people 26 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: about them and trying your best to kind of explain 27 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: things in a way that gets the person's perspective but 28 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: also you know, the perspective the people around them, and 29 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: then you know, kind of put them into the historical context, 30 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: you know, within baseball. And you know, for me at 31 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: this point, like I was just kind of watching as 32 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: a person who enjoys watching baseball. 33 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: You know, I wasn't writing about it. 34 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: I've I've kind of written what I want to write, 35 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: you know about Kershaw at this. 36 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: Point, you know, so I was just kind of enjoying it. 37 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: As a as a spectator. It was a really cool 38 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: night in Los Angeles. It seemed like, you know, it 39 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: was awesome for him obviously, it was you know, his family, 40 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: all the kids were there with you know, his wife Ellen, 41 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: and the reaction from Dodger fans was really really cool 42 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:00,639 Speaker 1: to see. So yeah, fun. 43 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 4: Night, Andy. I hope this get your book sales up. 44 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 4: Because we chatted in New York and we had a 45 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 4: long talk in New York and the dugout and then 46 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 4: cursh came over and we talked with him for a 47 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 4: long time. We talked about multiple things. But what I 48 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 4: want to know is, how did you get to be 49 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 4: such a tight confidant? 50 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 5: I guess of kurse because you know, he he's not 51 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 5: He doesn't open up to a lot of people. 52 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 4: Right from what little I've been around him, he's kind 53 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 4: of and it's not a bad thing. He's a great 54 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 4: guy when we talked to him, right, But how did 55 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 4: you get to be the one to biographize him? 56 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 5: Is that the right word to write this? 57 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 6: Yeah? 58 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 5: Biography? How was he? 59 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 3: Why did he pick you? 60 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 6: Well? 61 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 7: Mostly because Tim Brown moved to North Carolina. 62 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 3: I think it was no longer living in Los Angeles. 63 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: Look, I mean I think I think that I don't 64 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: proclaim to be like it's nice for you to say, 65 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: I guess, you know, confidant or whatever, but like I 66 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: just looked at it as like I covered him for 67 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, a decent stretch of time when I was 68 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,839 Speaker 1: at the Los Angeles Times. I've continued to write about 69 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: him while I was at the Athletic. I've always you know, tried. 70 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 3: To be fair. 71 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: I've always you know, when I was covering the team 72 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: for The Times, I viewed my primary mission as like 73 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: trying to explain Kershaw to the readers because he was 74 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: such an historically important you know, character and person and 75 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: you know the history of the franchise. And I've you know, 76 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: like he didn't really pick me for it. It was 77 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: my idea to write it. And I think that he 78 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: you know, he was very very gracious with his time, 79 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: but he was also you know, kind of allowed me 80 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: to like, you know, spend a lot of time with him, 81 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time, you know, with his family. 82 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: You know, didn't ask to like read what was going 83 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: to be in the book. He insists he still has 84 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: not read it. You know, didn't ask for like money 85 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: for it. It was you know, so it really was 86 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: like kind of an ideal subject by you know, writer relationship, 87 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: and so I'm very grateful for that. And I don't, 88 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: you know, I kind of look at it as like 89 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: he understood that he has had a career that someone 90 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: was going to write a book about someday, and so 91 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: when I approached him with it, he kind of looked 92 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: at it as you know, well, you know, Andy seems 93 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: like a fair guy, and you know he'll he'll do 94 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: an okay job with it, and he's been very gracious 95 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: about the whole thing. 96 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 6: What do you think this number three thousand meant to 97 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 6: not just Clayton, but Owen two and just his entire 98 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 6: family as a family man that he is. 99 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's funny like in doing 100 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: the book, you know, most of the reporting was done 101 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: like two years ago or so, you know, in like 102 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, And when he 103 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: was thinking about whether to retire after the twenty twenty 104 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: three season, he was like, I don't care about three 105 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: thousand strikeouts, even though he knew exactly how many he 106 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: needed to get to three thousand. You know, it was 107 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: like he's like, I'm not coming back for that. But 108 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: I think that as he got closer to it, henowed 109 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: he sort of was able to admit how important it 110 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: would be to just kind of add that final capstone. 111 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: And you know for the kids too, like they're in 112 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: an age, especially you know, as two oldest you know, 113 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: Cali in char like they they're actually like able to 114 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: experience this, you know, they can actually sort of remember 115 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: this stuff. It's not just going to be sort of 116 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: like images in their you know mind that as they 117 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: move forward and they can be more active participants. And 118 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: so I think that part of the reason that he's 119 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: wanted to keep going is because you know, he wants 120 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: his kids to be able to, you know, just sort 121 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: of be part of this more you know, actively than 122 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: they had been when they were you know, toddlers. And 123 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: so yeah, you could just see, you know, in all 124 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: the shots of them at the ballpark last night, you know, 125 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: in the clubhouse afterwards. 126 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 3: You know, what a special moment it was for all 127 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 3: of them. 128 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 4: That's an amazing moment. What twentieth guy to get three 129 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 4: thousand strikeouts. There's a couple of things that I noticed. One, 130 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 4: Will Venable came out and was arguing the pitch. If 131 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 4: you notice the video from the side, you can see 132 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 4: Will Venable comes out and argues, Listen, dude, that's just 133 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 4: three thousand strikeout right, Like, you can't argue that. 134 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 5: Okay, I'm sorry, I mean it was in the. 135 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 3: Strike it was close, it was close. 136 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 4: We didn't catch it the best, but whatever, there's three 137 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 4: thousand strikeout, Like, you're not you're not digging that way. 138 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 4: And then second of all, it came right after Max's injury, 139 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 4: which sucks, you know, so he had to kind of 140 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 4: get back up after that whole long thing. 141 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 5: And then the last thing for. 142 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 4: Me is what would it have meant if they wouldn't 143 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 4: have come back and won this game? Right, Yes, it 144 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 4: would have been unbelievable he got the three thousand, But 145 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 4: then for the Dodgers to come back and win the 146 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 4: game the way they did it had it been even 147 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:23,239 Speaker 4: greater for Clayton. 148 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes it more of a storybook night, and 149 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: it makes it easier for him to just kind of 150 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: accept all the adulation that you know, he rightfully deserves 151 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: for the achievement. 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Are there guys 197 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 6: right now that you're like, oh yeah, they could get 198 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 6: there because we've seen Clayton Kershall was the best historically, 199 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 6: was the best pitcher for the first six years of 200 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 6: his career when he finally made it to free agency 201 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 6: and was paid that way. Looking forward, we can easily 202 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 6: look back, But looking forward, is this a number that 203 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 6: we're just not going to see for a long time. 204 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 7: Kratzy, Are you suggesting he's the last. 205 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 3: Of his kind? 206 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 6: Did you write about it in the book, I'll look. 207 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 3: Something like that. 208 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: No, But I mean I think, like if you had 209 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: asked me this two years ago, I would have said, 210 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: I think Garrett Cole is going to get there, you know, 211 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: but given just the health issues he's had, you know, 212 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: missing a good chunk of last year and then undergoing 213 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: Tommy John surgery, you know, I think it's going to 214 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: be a really long time before someone gets to three thousand. 215 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: And that's even in an arrow where strikeouts are are 216 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: way more prevalent, and it's just yeah, part of you know, 217 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: what I was trying to capture with this book is that, 218 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, Kershaw, along with you know, Justin Verlander and 219 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: Max Schurzer, really are kind of the three last guys 220 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: who really have that sort of connection to what it 221 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: meant to be a number one pitcher in the same 222 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: way that Tom sever and you know, Bob Gibson and 223 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: Pedro Martinez and all those guys, you know that they 224 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: were held to the. 225 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 3: Same sort of standard. 226 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: The game has changed so much so I mean, someone 227 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: probably will get the three thousand strikeouts again. 228 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 3: You know, but it's going to be a while for sure. 229 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 5: Andy is Kirsha loved as much as he should be. 230 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 4: I think people look at the postseason stuff in the 231 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 4: past and say, oh, well, he couldn't do it in 232 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 4: the postseas. 233 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 5: He's got two rings. He's got two rings. 234 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 4: And there are some moments where he has absolutely dominated 235 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 4: in the postseason. But there's the Cardinals thing where they 236 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 4: trolled it earlier in the year and that whole thing 237 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 4: that they did. But is he appreciated as much as 238 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 4: he should be, even if you did write a book 239 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 4: about how great he is. 240 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: I mean, certainly in Los Angeles, right Like, I think 241 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: you can see the way that Dodgers fans have reacted 242 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: to him, you know, not just last night, but even 243 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: like after the parade. 244 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 3: You know, in twenty twenty four, Kershar did not play 245 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 3: a major role. 246 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: You know, in the twenty twenty four season, he was 247 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: injured for the postseason, and he gets one of the 248 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: biggest pops you know, for his speech after you know, 249 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: after they come back to Dodger Stadium. So I think 250 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: in LA, yeah, he's probably properly appeached, appreciated. 251 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 7: And I think among you know, like baseball. 252 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: Heads, you know, real steam heads, people who like love 253 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: the history of the game. There's a there's a proper 254 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: you know, sort of recognition of what he's achieved. You know, 255 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: he really is the best pitcher ever in terms of 256 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: run prevention of like not letting guys score. There's never 257 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: been a better pitcher at that. But you know, like 258 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: around the sport, look, I mean, we live in a 259 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: hater based culture and so like, of course, you know, 260 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: Padres fans are gonna make fun of what happened in 261 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: the postseason and Cardinals fans. I mean that's just like 262 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: that's modern sports, and that's okay, that's kind of what 263 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: powers the whole you know, sort of industry besides gambling, 264 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: and so yeah, like it's that just kind of. 265 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 3: Is what it is. I think in LA though, like 266 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 3: he is certainly beloved. 267 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 6: Any update on Max Munsey his schedule for his MRI 268 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 6: this morning, Do you have any update? 269 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: No, I mean, you know, we'll see. I suspect there 270 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: will obviously be an il stint, you know, just a. 271 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: Matter of how serious the injury is. 272 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 6: Though, okay, so more broader when we look back at 273 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 6: like other teams, like I look back at I think 274 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 6: of like Cleveland back in the day, it was like 275 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 6: whoa that all those guys were in that lineup. It's 276 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 6: like this many Hall of Famers this Dodgers team. It 277 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 6: made me think of it because Freddy Freeman. Now, I 278 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 6: think he's third in the Live Ball Era in walkoffs 279 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 6: from his walk off last night, I think he's got seventeen. 280 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 6: How many Hall of Famers do you see guaranteed in 281 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 6: on this team? 282 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: Obviously, yeah, Kershaw, Freeman, bets Otani. 283 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 3: Am I missing anyone obvious. 284 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 6: There that's currently on the team? 285 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? 286 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: No, I mean yeah, those, but that's you know, if 287 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: you have three at the top of your lineup that's 288 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: generally pretty good, that usually that usually plays well. And 289 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: also to like, I think that Freddy Freeman is like 290 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: it kind of is like a historically underappreciated great player. 291 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: Like I feel like every time I'm asked about him, 292 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: I just think that I think he's just like the 293 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: best hitter in the world, even if the stats, you know, 294 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: don't say it, but like in terms of just a 295 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: sense of the moment and you know, sort of the 296 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: ability to rise to the occasion, like he really is 297 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: as good as it. 298 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 4: Gets play with him, Andy, play with him for a 299 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 4: year and then tell me he's underappreciated because I got 300 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 4: to play with Freddy for two. 301 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 5: Years and sorry, twenty fifteen Player of the Year over Freddy. 302 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 5: So yeah, you know, probably that probably cost him in fansized, But. 303 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 4: No, if you play with Freddy and you see what 304 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 4: this guy does every day and he wants to play 305 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 4: every day, that's the key for me. He wanted to 306 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 4: play one hundred and sixty two games every year, and 307 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 4: that's so special to me. He goes through his ups 308 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 4: and downs like every hitter. But if you need a 309 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 4: big hit and you need a dude to get you 310 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 4: a single right the game on the line, Freddy Freeman 311 00:13:59,520 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 4: is tough to be. 312 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, I said, I think I've said this on the show. 313 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: But like if if for some reason I was caught 314 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 1: in some sort of hostage situation and there was a 315 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: runner at second base with two outs and I was 316 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: given one hitter to the needed to get a hit, 317 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: you know, save my life, it would be Freddy Freeman. 318 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 6: Certainly, I would really know. 319 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 7: Why I would be. 320 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why I would be in that situation, 321 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: Like a lot of things would have had to have 322 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: gone wrong. 323 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 6: But theoretically, I would definitely want to know how any 324 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 6: McCalla got in a hostage situation and how Freddy got 325 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 6: him out by Freddie's like, who's this guy on the 326 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 6: left side? Thank you, Freddy. 327 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm still Seeger on that one. I think, 328 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: by the way, I don't know. I think I think 329 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 2: that's out there, which is crazy the former Dodger. But yeah, 330 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: those two probably. 331 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 6: You're dying. 332 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 5: And living. Scott you gone, Yeah, I'm gone. Corey Steger, 333 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 5: I mean, it's a great try. 334 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: If you're like he has he does have sort of 335 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: like he does Jedi mind tricks where somehow they throw 336 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: like a first stress ball. 337 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 5: Like all the time. 338 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 3: Boy, it's just like he has it. 339 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like he has like a homing beacon where 340 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: he brings in a fastball and you're just like, how 341 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: did why they do that? 342 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 7: Did they not have scouting reports? 343 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 6: They're like, there's no way swinging this time. It's only 344 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 6: fifty five percent that he swings. 345 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: We we did that the number of times for our 346 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: postgame shows in twenty twenty three. We were like, yeah, 347 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: I don't get it. What is everyone else seeing that 348 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 2: we're not seeing that scout. 349 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 7: Does some sort of mind trick. 350 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 5: Yeah. Derek Lee, Hey, that was Derek Leeback. 351 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 4: Derek Lee would have four bats and get four pitch 352 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 4: four first pitch cheaters and get four hits, and you're like, 353 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 4: why do they keep throwing them that? 354 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: I don't get it. Andy, good talking you men. Appreciate 355 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: the time. And one more little plug on the way out. 356 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: Go check out the book as we showed you at 357 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: the top. Give it a little skin Thanks. 358 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 3: Andy, thanks for having me. It's fun. 359 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, Andy McCollough from The Athletic give him 360 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 2: follow on twitch as well. 361 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 5: Watch Venable Watchable right another dug out argument right here? 362 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: Wait, Venable argued. 363 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 5: When they went over whoever o Tani's shoulder? 364 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 4: You can see Venable coming out of the out of 365 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 4: the dugout to argue the strike three call. 366 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 5: Like, dude, it's just three thousand strikeout, bro. 367 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 6: I think Jim going to be a double switch. He 368 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 6: was definitely switch. 369 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 5: There's Nocher hitting it, like, wasn't Jim wol I think. 370 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 4: Jim Wolf was the home plate onun bar Jim Wolves 371 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 4: from l A brother Randy Wolf Like, trust me, Clayton 372 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 4: wasn't if it was if it was anywhere, if the 373 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 4: catcher caught it, it was strike three. 374 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 6: Jim will I don't have a problem with that, like three. 375 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: My thing is if this is, you know, September twenty eighth, 376 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: and it's the thick of a playoff race with two 377 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 2: teams that could decide the season. It's the White Sox 378 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: against Clayton. I don't know what the box said. 379 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 3: Was it in the zone? 380 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 2: I mean it was, and I looked at the highlight. 381 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: I didn't see it with the box, but it looked 382 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: close enough. 383 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 5: No, it's in the box. It dotted dotted. 384 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 4: He was inside doing it dotted like the very other 385 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 4: side of the strike zone. 386 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 5: But again, dude, they're playing the White Sox. 387 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 4: It's at home. Everyone knew that was his last hitter. 388 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 4: They threw the guy out at third, They threw out 389 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 4: Taylor at third, hurt Munsey's knee. 390 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 5: Everyone knew. That's why the fans were going If you 391 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 5: watch it, it was so cool. The fans were going crazy. 392 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 5: They knew it was the sixth THNN. 393 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 4: He got through six, right, grinded through six to get 394 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 4: to this point. 395 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 6: He had twelve two strike counts and he got three strikeouts. 396 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 6: Twelve of them. He just could not get the last one. 397 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 6: It's like, it's like that dude that's sitting on four 398 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 6: hundred and ninety nine homers, and you're just like. 399 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 5: Is he swinging for it? 400 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 6: Is he trying too hard to get that last strikeout? 401 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 5: Is he trying? 402 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 6: Like he just couldn't get it done? And then he did. 403 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 6: Now he's forever immortalized three thousand k's. 404 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 2: They might need him down the stretch, and really more 405 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 2: so in the playoffs. So you want to get more 406 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 2: swing and miss out of Clayton. 407 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 5: And he gave us a nine hit. But this is 408 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 5: not the same league at all. 409 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 4: But I was on nineteen ninety nine hits for my 410 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 4: career and we were in Atlanta and we had like 411 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 4: a four game homestand and my family flew in for it, 412 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,239 Speaker 4: and I was trying so and I couldn't even hit 413 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 4: the ball because I was I just wanted to get 414 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 4: that hit. So they were there, and then we went 415 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 4: on the road in Boston and I got it like 416 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 4: my first a bat, and there was nobody there and 417 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 4: like the Red Sox didn't even acknowledge it, and it 418 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 4: was kind of like, ah, it. 419 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 5: Was like such a buzzkill. 420 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 4: I mean, it was cool, you know, but it was 421 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 4: such a buzzkill because again it's not the same level 422 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 4: of thing. But for to get to that, I wanted, 423 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 4: you know, my family was there and I wanted to 424 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 4: be able to celebrate. It didn't happen.