1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: me your girl, Daniel Moody, recording from the Home Bunker, Folks, 3 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: I can't help but continue to think about the ways 4 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: that Republicans are using racism as a distraction. For the 5 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: last couple of days, we've been going back and forth 6 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: on social media about hard ends and ers, as I 7 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: posted in a video on my YouTube channel, and I 8 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: got to tell you that Toni Morrison, I continue to 9 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: say was a prophet, was right when she said that 10 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: racism is a distraction. Because if I'm too busy explaining 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: my humanity to you, then I don't have the energy 12 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: and the ability to actually do the work to move 13 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: this country forward. And that is the goal of the 14 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: Republican Party. It is to exhaust us. It is to 15 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: distract us, to get us out of ourselves right and 16 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: into the muck with them. And what I am deciding 17 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: to do is not right. It should just say no. 18 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: Because you know what happened while we were busy talking 19 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: about Megan Kelly and Richard Lowry, which I am talking 20 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: about myself, the Senate Republicans once again blocked legislation that 21 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: would allow IVF to be protected in this country. So 22 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: while they're lying to your face about, oh, we just 23 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: moved abortion from a federal issue into a states rights issue, 24 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: mind you, this is the same shit that they said 25 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: about slavery. Oh, it's states rights and it's an economic issue. 26 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: No the fuck it is not. You have created a 27 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: patchwork of protections for women and people with uteruses in 28 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: this country that are killing women, most recently two black 29 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: women in the state of Georgia. There is a pro 30 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: publica article out now on the ways in which those 31 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: two women, those two mothers deaths could have been prevented 32 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: if abortion was legal in the state of Georgia. Now, 33 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: while they say, oh, you won't be persecuted and treated 34 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: like a criminal for seeking an abortion, guess what they 35 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: have done successfully, which is scare women into dying alone 36 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: at home or in parking lots. So again, while I 37 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: say that we are in arms right over the fact 38 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: that an entire town in Springfield, Ohio has been basically 39 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: under a terror watch because of Donald Trump and JD. Vance, 40 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: the question that I ask is what is it that 41 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: we're missing while they're throwing our attention over there, What 42 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: is it that they are doing? Because there is always 43 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: something underhanded going on. So while our focus is on Springfield, Ohio, 44 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that it's shouldn't be, we should 45 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: also be asking the question of what else are Republicans doing, 46 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: because right now they are in session mandating how when 47 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: and if a woman has a child and how when 48 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 1: and if she is going to die because she takes 49 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: on that awesome responsibility. Right now, we are living inside 50 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: of the handmaid's tail. It is not something that is 51 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: forthcoming after November, if in fact, enough people in swing 52 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: states don't decide to vote for common fucking sense and 53 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: not a common criminal like Donald Trump. But the reality 54 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: is is that their dystopian wet dreams are manifesting every 55 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: day and they are costing women their lives. We have 56 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: got to keep our eyes on the prize, on the 57 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: ball because these motherfuckers are shifty, they are shady, and 58 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: as JD. Vance said, the quiet part out loud again, 59 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: they are ruthless about their pursuit of power by any 60 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: means necessary. Coming up next, my conversation with our friend, 61 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks. I am 62 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: always very happy when our world traveler, doctor Jonathan Metzel 63 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: returns to WOKF to discuss all of the happenings. Jonathan, 64 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: you've been gone a spell. It's good to have you back. 65 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: It was an incredibleship. I was in Copenhagen talking about 66 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: American gun violence and they looked at me like, oh 67 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: my god, what is wrong with you guys? Like it 68 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: was really interesting. Everybody should have the experience of talking 69 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 2: about America somewhere else and just seeing how we are 70 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: just kicked in the McNuggets here in terms of like 71 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 2: in terms of just our what we get used to 72 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: every day. They looked at me like, oh my god, 73 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: please go back, leave us alone. 74 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I uh fair funny. I will be in London 75 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: over the weekend through next Tuesday doing an event with 76 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: Mehdi Hassan where we will talk about American democracy in London, 77 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I'm excited about it because I 78 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: really do international discussions. Oh cool, I like, outside of 79 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: outside of Canada. 80 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: Where's it going to be. Let's pump that up. Where's 81 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: it going to be? 82 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: I will find out. I will find out. Well, I 83 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: will let people know. 84 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 2: People are just going to be wandering around London looking for. 85 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: Right, looking for me, but you know, so I want 86 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: to talk about this with you today. Over the last 87 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, Donald Trump and Jade Vance have been 88 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: ratcheting up their stochastic terrorism attacks on the Haitian immigrant 89 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: population of Springfield, Ohio. Folks have been listening to this show. 90 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: They know that I've talked about this. It's been all 91 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: over the news. You've had two city commissioners, police chiefs 92 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: come out to discredit the lies that have been told 93 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: about the Haitian immigrant population and how it is damaging 94 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: the community, how it's damaging businesses. Just recently, as of 95 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: this recording, they have canceled a cultural arts event that 96 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: was supposed to happen in Springfield this coming week or 97 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 1: weekend because they fear violence. Because over the last week, 98 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: schools were closed two days in a row because bomb threats. 99 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: There have been municipality buildings were shut down because of 100 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: bomb threats, all coming after Donald Trump was at the 101 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: debate a week ago recounting the lies of Haitian immigrants. 102 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: And I want to talk to you about this because 103 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: what I realized, Jonathan, is one we use too many 104 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: euphemisms when we talk about the rhetoric that Donald Trump, 105 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: Jade vance and the Republican Party has been using over 106 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: the last eight to ten years, right like, it has 107 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: escalated in its violence, it is escalated in its cruelty, 108 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: and it's been causing harm to people, from Judge Marshan 109 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: and his court staff that have had to get security, 110 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: to Shay Moss and Miss Ruby down in Georgia that 111 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: sued both Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani for the lives 112 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: that they spread, their lives who were ruined. So I 113 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: want to get a sense from you, like talk to 114 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: us about how these insinuations, these derogatory statements, they begin, 115 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: but then they metastasize and they become a part of 116 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: our lexicon, They become a part of what we believe 117 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: to be the norm of political rhetoric, and how that 118 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: is harming us. 119 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: Well, I mean right now, obviously it's a very heightened 120 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: moment where the stakes could not be higher, and we 121 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 2: are seeing Willie Horton on steroids, basically playing to people's 122 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: deepest replacement fears, anxieties, biases, racisms, stereotypes, and so this 123 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: idea that basically other people are out for your stuff. 124 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: I'm the only person who's going to protect you. We're 125 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: going to be taken over. It's so deep, and it's 126 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: just at this moment where basically you're trying to elicit 127 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: an automatic response, which is fear vote, and I'm going 128 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: to protect you and the other person's not going to 129 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 2: protect you, and all these kind of things. In fact, 130 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: the other person looks like those other people. And so 131 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: in a way, it's just hard because it's such a 132 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: tried and true method in American politics, which we've never 133 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: seen it on this level before, I don't think. But 134 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: the stakes are also higher than really the tricks are 135 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: incredibly I and so I think part of the story 136 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: is just it's hard because it's so obvious, right, and 137 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 2: so how do you refute it? We're on a constant 138 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: like treadmill of having to refute all this crazy stuff. 139 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: And you know, what I've been thinking about recently is 140 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 2: actually the time when the CRT thing came out initially 141 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 2: because it was just so idiotic, right, it was like 142 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: twenty twenty twenty twenty one, they started saying, oh, we're 143 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 2: going against critical race theory, and we were just constantly 144 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 2: people like me and you and other people were constantly 145 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: going on television having to refute, oh, critical race theory 146 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 2: is arcane legal theory that's taught in law schools, and 147 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 2: blah blah blah, Like we were all of a sudden 148 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: on their turf all the time, and so this idea 149 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: of kind of always being on the defensive, it's great 150 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 2: for Trump to be in the middle of the new cycle. 151 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 2: He's going to keep ratcheting this up. And I guess 152 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: for me, the question which I would ask you in return, 153 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: is are we going to be continually it's like nine 154 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 2: hundred tennis balls are coming at us at one time 155 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: and we have just one tennis racket, Or is there 156 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 2: a way that we can actually change the channel right now? 157 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 2: Because it is of course racism and xenophobia, but it's 158 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: also in the stakes of the election, and so I 159 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: wish we could change the channel on this in some way. Yeah, 160 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: that them on the defensive not have to respond to 161 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 2: their points all the time, because the awfulness is just 162 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: going to get worse and worse. It's so clear. I mean, 163 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: even Vance was on TV one day saying this whole 164 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: thing was bs and the next day he's like, oh wait, 165 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: I stand corrected. So it's obviously a strategy. 166 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: And that's the thing is that it is a strategy, 167 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: and I think that the American people are exhausted, and 168 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: I think that that is one of the many reasons 169 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: why the Harris Walls ticket is palling in the way 170 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: that it is right now. And I mean like a 171 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: series a series of polls have all come out and 172 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: shown that they are up. And while I tell people 173 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: not to give too much stock to the polls, you're 174 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: also looking at the amount of people that are showing 175 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: up for their rallies and their events, and I think 176 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: it's largely because America is exhausted. Donald Trump has exhausted 177 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: us to the point where it's just like, can we 178 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: have normal time? And I just want to bring this 179 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: up again that the Springfield, Ohio officials are canceling their 180 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: annual celebration of Diversity, Arts and Culture due to safety concerns. 181 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: You mentioned the fact that Jade Vance was on with 182 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: the Dana Bash over the weekend and said, sometimes we 183 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: have to quote create stories. And I think that there 184 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 1: is something to the fact that this is a strategy. 185 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: The strategy is that Donald Trump and Jade Vans are 186 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: down in the polls, so we need to find a 187 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: scapegoat for that, and that looks like pointing the finger 188 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: at black people, this time Haitian immigrants and saying they're 189 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: the reason why your lives are so bad. Right aside 190 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: from all of the truth that we know about Springfield, 191 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: Ohio that I've continued to say here, I continue to 192 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: say on my YouTube channel about the fact that Springfield 193 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: was in economic dire straits and up until four years 194 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: ago when this population of immigrants came to that area 195 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: as the renewed labor force that was needed. They came 196 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: to set up new home and in turn, Springfield, Ohio 197 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: is seeing economic booms that they have not seen in decades. 198 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: But that's not the narrative that's being told. And I 199 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: think though, Jonathan, that this time around, people are not 200 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: falling for Donald Trump and JD. Vance's bullshit in the 201 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: way that they were falling for Trump a couple of 202 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: years ago. Because even the stories and I critique corporate 203 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: mainstream media all the time, are reinstating that this is 204 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: a lie that they have been caught up in and 205 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: are being forced to admit. 206 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: I agree with you. I mean, it's on one hand, 207 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: it's laughable rate, but I mean that's the whole point. 208 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 2: The absurdity is kind of the point. And so you know, 209 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: I just keep thinking, like, what's the best answer, because 210 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: the minute we're talking about eating dogs, you know, we're 211 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: not talking about all this other stuff. And so how 212 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 2: do you know when you say people are not responding 213 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: to it? I mean, these poles are seem to me 214 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: incredibly close, right. 215 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: They're always But here's the thing, Jonathan, They're always going 216 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: to be close. We're never going to see blowouts. But 217 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: when we're talking about three to five point difference, three 218 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: to five points of Harris being up, which was the 219 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: latest Morning poll, the latest CNN poll, the latest National poll, 220 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: those numbers are within the margin of error, and she's 221 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: still up. You're never going to see ten points up. 222 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: But when we're seeing three and five, that's considerable. 223 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: No, And so I guess for me, it's just from 224 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: devoice on down. There is such a predictable way of 225 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 2: generating outrage in this country, which is to poke the 226 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: color line or poke different groups of people come to 227 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 2: this country in different ways a different times. I mean, 228 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 2: you know, my dad's an immigrant and he came because 229 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 2: they needed educated people, and that's true for many people. 230 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: So you can kind of poke this division line and 231 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 2: the question is I think our strategy before was this 232 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 2: is so preposterous. But again, I do think that that 233 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: CRT moment was a textbook example of what not to do, 234 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 2: which is we were on their playing field all the 235 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 2: time and not making fun of them, not arguing with them, 236 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 2: not doing anything else. But it was like we didn't 237 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: talk about anything else except I mean, I don't know, 238 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: you probably the same thing. I did twenty interviews defending CRT, 239 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: which now nobody's really thinking about, and so in a way, 240 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: it's just got their points on the news thing. So 241 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: the question is how do you regenerate your being the 242 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 2: front of the news cycle. And I think that you know, 243 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: obviously everybody knows this right now. It's it's so predictable. 244 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: But I just think that's going to be the point. 245 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: I don't know about you. I'm I'm nervous about this election. 246 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: It really feels like it'd go an anyway, and so 247 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 2: the fact that this is happening in a swing state 248 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: and things like that are important. But I hope you're right. 249 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: I hope people are not falling for it. I hope 250 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: that's right. 251 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: I say this like it is happening in a swing state, 252 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: and people are seeing, particularly in this state of Ohio, 253 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: how their town, their city is being used as a 254 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: political football. So for people for the first time being like, oh, 255 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: I didn't have a problem with Donald Trump, but now 256 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: those chickens have actually come home to roost in your 257 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: front yard and you're just like, wait a minute, there 258 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: was nothing wrong with Springfield, Like we were fine. They're like, 259 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: I have no idea what this man is talking about, 260 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: and now they're seeing front and center the way in 261 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: which you can easily be used. And what I keep 262 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: saying to people is anywhere can be Springfield, Ohio. Anywhere 263 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: can become a target and a subject of Donald Trump 264 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: and the Maga Republicans if in fact they so choose. 265 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: And that's what makes their rhetoric so dangerous and needs 266 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: to be referred to as terrorism, because that's what they're doing. 267 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: It's to terrorize this area and to make these people 268 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: fearful of their neighbors. And even the businesses are saying, 269 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: what are you doing. Our businesses are flourishing because we 270 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: have a labor force. Yeah, and now this labor force 271 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: is going to pack up and go because now they 272 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: don't feel safe. So then what and I think that 273 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: the question that Dana Bash pointed out jd Vance was like, 274 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: you're acting as if you're somebody's political bystander. You're the 275 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: senator from the state. You can actually do something if 276 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: in fact you cared, but you're not doing anything other 277 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: than spreading lies. 278 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 2: I hope you're right. I hope it's like remember that 279 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: movie Dave, where like in the end of the movie 280 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: everybody came out and supported the gay music teacher, stuff 281 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 2: like that. I hope this is a moment where we say, 282 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 2: I hope it's a moment of joy. I really do. 283 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 2: I'm Jada because I wrote a book called Dying of Whiteness, 284 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: where people were turning away their free healthcare based on 285 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 2: exactly the same logic, which is somebody's coming to take 286 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 2: away your stuff. So I hope this is not dying 287 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 2: of whiteness. I hope this is the future of American 288 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: multi racial democracy and all of its potential. I really 289 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 2: hope that. And we got a lot of work to 290 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 2: do in a lot of places to make sure that happens. 291 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: So let me switch gears with a couple of minutes 292 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: that we have left, which is I want to bring 293 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: a story to your attention. You haven't watched the video, 294 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: and you don't really need to watch the video. I 295 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: will tell you. Rich Lowry, who is the editor in 296 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: chief of the National Review, goes on a show with 297 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: Megan Kelly, and we know that Megan Kelly, from her 298 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: firing of NBC News, is nothing more than a racist 299 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: and a race vader. And the things that she has said, 300 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: from saying that Santa Claus, a fictional character, is white, 301 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: to saying that they're nothing wrong with blackface, which is 302 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: what got her fired from NBC in the first place, 303 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: to all of the lies and things that she has 304 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: said on Fox and on her own podcast and what 305 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: have you. She's interviewing Riche Lowry about the lies that 306 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: are being told in Springfield that they are echoing, and 307 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: when talking about Haitian immigrants, he uses the N word 308 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: and then gets on social media, as does Begg and Kelly, 309 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: who by the way, did not flinch. It was not 310 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: like a oh, you know, like you know anything. It 311 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: was just like a nod and smile and just like 312 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: keep it going. Then gets on social media says that 313 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: it was just a slip. I meant to say immigrant 314 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: or migrant. I think that we all know the difference 315 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: between M and a hard N and the er and 316 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: all of these things like don't gaslight me into your bullshita. 317 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 2: Wait he said, like I said, like minor or something. 318 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, just trying to tell us that, like we don't 319 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: know what we heard, and that it was a slip up. No, 320 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: it was a slip up. You said the quiet part 321 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: out loud, like it was a slip up, absolutely, but 322 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: it was not misplaced words and letters. And so now 323 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: you know, there's this uproar on social media with like, 324 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: oh my god, this guy uses the N word like 325 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah, and I'm just like, we think 326 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: that this is like like the N word is somehow 327 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: become has become like the punctuation, right, Like, if you 328 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: use this word, then that's what makes you a racist. 329 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: Not the policies that you put out, not the articles 330 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: that you allow to run in your paper that target 331 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: particular communities, none of that. It's just this one word. 332 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: So so long as you avoid that one word in public, 333 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: then you're not a racist. And I just want to 334 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: get your thoughts on like the outrage around it and 335 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: how we've turned or I should say that white supremacists 336 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: or racist have turned this one word into like their 337 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: lynch pin. So long as they don't say it, nothing 338 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: else that they do can be judged as racist. 339 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, I think as a societ 340 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 2: we've deemed that word and some other words none really 341 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: with this charge to be unacceptable. So I don't think 342 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: it's just white supremacists that have done this. But it's 343 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: interesting like Megan Kelly, right, I mean, she've got fired. 344 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 2: And then I'll admit I read the New York Posts 345 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 2: every once in a while because they have a great 346 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: sports page, and every time something would happen, there'd be 347 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: a front page article Megan Kelly throws shade on Beyonce 348 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 2: or something like that. So every single thing, and I'm like, 349 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: who cares of Megan Kelly throwing shade whatever? But it's like, 350 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: the way you get back into the public eye. The 351 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 2: whole economy we've created is by controversy outrage. If Megan 352 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 2: Kelly said, gosh, I like some of Beyonce's songs, it 353 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 2: wouldn't be newsworthy in a way. And so it's kind 354 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: of like these outrage moments that are almost always tied 355 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: to race of racism, are kind of how you kind 356 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 2: of get on the map and then everybody's talking about you, 357 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 2: and then you generate clicks in a way, it's like 358 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 2: this whole economy of relevance. It's kind of an economy 359 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 2: economy where there's no market for centrism or getting along 360 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 2: or fixing any of the problems that we're talking about. 361 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 2: And it's so so clear, and these examples, I mean, 362 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 2: it does sound like he said the quiet part out loud. 363 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: It was a slip. And we're in a moment right 364 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: now where like these issues I don't know, I'm having 365 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: like dying of whiteness PTSD honestly, because like your answers, 366 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 2: what you're saying now is so rational, and I just 367 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 2: this white anxiety is so irrational. Honestly. If they said 368 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: people are coming to take your pants and don't wear 369 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 2: pants like that would have it. It's just it's it's 370 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 2: like that level. 371 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: But it's the movie don't look up like that. It 372 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: was a spoof, but it was a documentary like this 373 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: on this, Yeah, I need to watch it again too. 374 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: On like the pure stupidity of things, like yeah, what 375 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: I'm saying is rational, what you wrote is rational, and 376 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: yet like, I don't call it white anxiety. I call 377 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: it white fear and ignorance or what have you. Is like, 378 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: it isn't rational because it's based in stereotypes, fear mongering, lies, 379 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: and hatred and distrust of the other that you refuse 380 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: to actually accept as like a neighbor or human or 381 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: any of these things. And it puts the burden on 382 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: the victims of your racism and your prejudice to now 383 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: defend our humanity and get you to see it, which 384 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: is why Tony Morrison said about racism that it's nothing 385 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 1: more than a distraction. 386 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: That's such a beautiful way to put it. I mean, 387 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 2: I could not agree more. But the other part is 388 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: it's also a reflection of our zero sum political system. 389 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: In other words, it's not surprising that this is happening 390 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 2: now because we are in a winner take all political 391 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: system where you either win or you lose. And that's 392 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: how kind of this kind of tribalization works. Is I'm 393 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 2: in my tribe against other tribe, which plays out along 394 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,479 Speaker 2: the fault lines of the history of inequality in our 395 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 2: country and all these things. It's not surprising that this 396 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 2: is happening now because they're just very big stakes about 397 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 2: winning or losing for the future of this Yeah. 398 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Well, we will leave it there today 399 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: my friend doctor Jonathan Maxil, who literally wrote the book 400 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: on dying of white myth, and we'll pick this back 401 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: up next week. My friends, appreciate you as always friends. 402 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: As I have been saying, I have started a YouTube channel, 403 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: Daniel Moody Underscore. 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