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Speaker 1: It's Scott bron with JJ Cooper and Jeff Pond's from

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Speaker 2: Which'all will hit for a high average.

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Speaker 1: he adjust once he is challenged by the best pitchers

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Speaker 1: in the world. Al Kintara, on the other hand, has

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Speaker 1: less time elite defender in center field. If it wasn't

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Speaker 1: for pie Crow Armstrong, he would probably be the best

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Speaker 1: center field defender in the organization.

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Speaker 2: He's a great athlete.

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Speaker 1: I still think that, you know, three hundred to four hundred,

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Speaker 1: five hundred played appearances a triple A are probably going.

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Speaker 4: To do him some good.

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Speaker 1: So we know, at least for now, until that status

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Speaker 1: goes away and Cubs fans are hoping that starts right

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Speaker 1: on Opening Day where he becomes a big leaguer. Matt

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Speaker 1: Shaw is the top prospect in the organization according to

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Speaker 1: the smart minds over at Baseball America. We're going to

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Speaker 1: keep doing this every single day. We'll release another top

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Speaker 1: prospect video here per organization. So come on back or

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Speaker 1: keep scrolling through if you missed any and we'll see

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Speaker 1: you for the next one.

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Speaker 2: Name anybody.

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Speaker 1: This guy is really special and like I said, if

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Speaker 1: he was an American, he'd probably be the number one

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Speaker 1: pick in the draft going away. The top prospect in

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Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Brewer system is Hayzus Motte.

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Speaker 2: Here you go.

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Speaker 1: We're helping you out with the name, and now we've

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Speaker 1: got some information for you too, as we hit a

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Speaker 1: prospect profile Scott Braun along with Baseball America's JJ Cooper

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Speaker 1: and Jeff Ponce. So let's dive in, gentlemen, Jeff hayesus

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Speaker 1: Mota is the name that we might not here in

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Speaker 1: the big leagues anytime soon, but I do want to

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Speaker 1: remind everyone how much of an impact Jackson Cheerio made

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Speaker 1: at such a young age in twenty twenty four. So

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Speaker 1: do you have an ETA in mind and what do

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Speaker 1: you think about this prospect? Yeah, I'm probably about us.

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Speaker 1: It's excited about hey, Zusmadi, as I've been on any

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Speaker 1: player coming state side in the last five to six years.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's really was elite stuff. In terms

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Speaker 1: of what we saw last year in the DSL. I

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Speaker 1: think it was a one sixty nine WRC plus sixty

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Speaker 1: nine percent better than his competition. The underlying data is

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Speaker 1: really good and we'll probably chat about that in a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit, but I'm thinking, you know, we're probably.

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Speaker 1: Looking minimum twenty twenty seven comes over this year, even

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Speaker 1: if he sort of follows that Churio path of jumping

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Speaker 1: both A ball levels and you know, skipping over the

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Speaker 1: Arizona complexly, which I think is totally reasonable and probably possible.

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Speaker 2: Then it's double A, triple A.

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Speaker 1: The next year, maybe he signs an extension, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we sort of see him in twenty twenty seven. I

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Speaker 1: would say that would be the earliest. That's probably still

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Speaker 1: somewhat optimistic. As his player, you know, a year ago

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Speaker 1: was just sixteen years old and wouldn't be eligible for

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Speaker 1: the draft as an American player until this year, so

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Speaker 1: kind of puts into perspective just how young he is.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I know, Jay and I have discussed

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Speaker 1: this player quite a bit. He was a hot name

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Speaker 1: during our top one hundred process, and you know, of

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Speaker 1: course our number one Brewers prospect and a pretty dang

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Speaker 1: good system.

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Speaker 3: This is this is why we send someone to the

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Speaker 3: Dominican Summer League and go to the All Star Game

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Speaker 3: and all is to see guys like Hayesus Moday and

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Speaker 3: to come back and say, man, everyone down there is

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Speaker 3: raving about Hayesus Moday. This is really kind of how

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Speaker 3: you draw it up. Like when we talk about it's

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Speaker 3: hard not to compare him to Jackson Turio, even though

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Speaker 3: Turia is an outfielder, although he was a shortstop as

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Speaker 3: an amateur, but an outfielder, you know, for the Brewers,

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Speaker 3: where as opposed to Made should stay.

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Speaker 4: In the dirt.

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Speaker 3: But the reason it's kind of not it's hard not

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Speaker 3: to compare them is is that this is that kind

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Speaker 3: of that ceiling, that kind of potential impact where you

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Speaker 3: look at Maday and say, Okay, this is a player

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Speaker 3: who really could have some pretty special back to ball skills,

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Speaker 3: power for his age, strike zone, discipline, all these things

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Speaker 3: that are usually kind of the the things that you

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Speaker 3: add as you mature, as you kind of get more

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Speaker 3: at bats, Made already has a lot of those. Now,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to go over on this. He's a

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Speaker 3: teenager who's yet to play in the US, So this

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Speaker 3: is not something where he's knocking on the door and

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Speaker 3: goes to spring training going I'm going to show those

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Speaker 3: Brewers and find a spot in the big league lineup

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Speaker 3: or anything like that. But it does kind of explain

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Speaker 3: why he could be on a faster track than most,

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Speaker 3: much like what we saw with with Jackson Turio, who

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Speaker 3: skipped over went straight to a loway to Carolina and

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Speaker 3: then kind of showed he was too good for that league,

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Speaker 3: so he kind of earned a Midwest League assignment, gets

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Speaker 3: to double a the next year turn around, he's in

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Speaker 3: the big leagues before you know it, barring injury, if

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Speaker 3: he keeps it up like we's done so far. That's

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Speaker 3: something that you could also see kind of that kind

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Speaker 3: of track with made. But the other thing I would

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Speaker 3: say with this is this is how the Brewers. This

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Speaker 3: is one of the explanations for why and how the

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Speaker 3: Brewers have kind of managed to stay at the top

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Speaker 3: of the NL Central year after year, even though they

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Speaker 3: don't really have a whole lot of financial advantages or

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Speaker 3: market advantages.

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Speaker 2: Over the Cardinals or the Cubs or.

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Speaker 4: Some other teams in that division.

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Speaker 3: But they've been really good on the international market, they've

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Speaker 3: been really good at hitter development, they've been really good

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Speaker 3: at picture development, and Jeff, I mean, you just put

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Speaker 3: it all together, they're kind of rocking and rolling here

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Speaker 3: as far as just year after year after year, this

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Speaker 3: is putting him number one wasn't easy because this is

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Speaker 3: a system that has a number of guys who are

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Speaker 3: very plausible number one candidates.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you know, we have a task that we

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Speaker 1: do during our Top one hundred coverage. Go and check

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Speaker 1: that stuff out on the site. But one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite articles that we work on every year is who

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Speaker 1: could be the Number One prospect in twenty twenty six?

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Speaker 1: And when I came to this, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: was thinking about writing to this article, there was no

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Speaker 1: other option for me. It was pretty much either Sebastian

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Speaker 1: Walcott that I knew other guy who was going to

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Speaker 1: write about.

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Speaker 2: But for me, it was Jesus made.

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Speaker 1: And the reason that I say this, I think, if

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Speaker 1: you're going to put a player comp on this guy,

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Speaker 1: it's probably like Ronald kun if you could stick in

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Speaker 1: the in the infield. It's that sort of level of

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Speaker 1: other worldly skills. And there's probably even a case to

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Speaker 1: be made that he's more advanced than Akunya was. At

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Speaker 1: this point there was one player throughout the entire minor leagues,

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Speaker 1: and I think this really showcases his dominance that had

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Speaker 1: this trio of numbers, a mis rate below twelve percent,

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Speaker 1: a chase rate below fifteen percent, and a nine eighth

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Speaker 1: percentile exit velocity of one hundred and four miles problem,

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Speaker 1: which by the way, is major league gaverage. He did

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Speaker 1: this when he turned seventeen a month prior to the

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Speaker 1: start of the Dominican Summer League season. It's just so outlier,

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Speaker 1: and I think it sort of showcases just how dominant

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Speaker 1: he was. There was no player in the minor leagues that,

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Speaker 1: from an underlying data perspective, was more dominant in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four against his average age of competition than Maddi was.

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Speaker 1: That includes Christian Campbell, that includes Roman Anthony, name anybody.

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Speaker 1: This guy is really special and like I said, if

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Speaker 1: he was an American, he'd probably be the number one

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Speaker 1: pick in the raft going away and setting like Bonus

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Speaker 1: Pool records. He would probably beat Charlie Condon and Chase

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Speaker 1: Burns numbers. It's just that outlier. We'll see how it

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Speaker 1: translates when he comes over at first. But haven't looked

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Speaker 1: at DSL data going back years. I've never seen anybody

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Speaker 1: that approaches this, including guys like Junior Cameron Arrow.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now I want to provide like that. I want

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Speaker 3: to because we've got everyone very understandably heated up about

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Speaker 3: Jesus made so now before we wrap this up, I

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Speaker 3: want to kind of pour a little bit of cold water,

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Speaker 3: just tamp it down a little bit. There's a reason

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Speaker 3: he's not our number one prospect yet. Jeff, what would

594
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Speaker 3: be a scenario where it's like, okay, because we know

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Speaker 3: the DSL, the tricky part of the DSL, hitting the

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Speaker 3: ball hard, not chasing, all these things are really good,

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Speaker 3: but we also know that that league is much more uneven,

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Speaker 3: I would say, than like a US, like a full

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Speaker 3: season league especially, there's it's really hard to nitpickus made

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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 4: Maybe he's not a short stop long term.

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Speaker 3: But is there something, Jeff, that you look at and say, Okay,

603
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Speaker 3: this is what could slow him down.

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Speaker 4: Other than injury?

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Speaker 3: What could slow him down in twenty twenty five as

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Speaker 3: he continues as a scent up our rankings.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, just probably optimize batted ball contact,

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Speaker 1: and we're looking at how often is this guy going

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Speaker 1: to put the ball in the air. How often is

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Speaker 1: he going to hit the ball in the air to

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Speaker 1: his pull side. Could get some bad batted ball luck.

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Speaker 1: He does still hit the ball on the ground a

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Speaker 1: fair amount. A lot of his hardest hit drives are

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Speaker 1: still on the ground. You know, technically that leads to

615
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Speaker 1: higher batting averages, but it could maybe call into question

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Speaker 1: what the overall power upside is and put him more

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Speaker 1: in like that eighteen to twenty two sort of upside

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Speaker 1: range for home runs versus the thirty plus that we

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Speaker 1: look at when we see a kid who's sixteen, seventeen

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Speaker 1: years old hitting balls as hard as the average Major

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Speaker 1: leaguer on a particular metric. So I would say that's

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Speaker 1: probably the big one. The other one is, you know,

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Speaker 1: if the defense does continue to slide down and it's

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Speaker 1: more of a question of can he stick in the

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Speaker 1: infield at second or third base, I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: going to happen. I think it's really more of a

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Speaker 1: question of is he an everyday shortstop, which you know,

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Speaker 1: when you think about there's only thirty of those jobs

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Speaker 1: in the entire world, there is obviously a very high

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Speaker 1: threshold you have to meet in terms of defensive ability

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Speaker 1: to stick there. So I think those are the question marks.

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Speaker 1: There aren't many guys that I go into every year

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Speaker 1: where I'm like, three years from now, this guy is

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Speaker 1: going to be a superstar. And I really do feel

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Speaker 1: that in terms of my gut but also my head

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Speaker 1: when I look at sort of all the pieces of

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Speaker 1: the puzzle on how it comes together.

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Speaker 2: You know my job.

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Speaker 1: My job is to take the class haf full listen

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Speaker 1: to that and be like, did we just find the

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Speaker 1: next superstar coming up to Major League Baseball who could

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Speaker 1: be a Rookie of the Year a couple of years

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Speaker 1: from now and show us, you know what Jackson Cheerio did,

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Speaker 1: who will be a seasoned VET by that point, so

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Speaker 1: it could be heyzous, my day, Jackson Cheerio. And if

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Speaker 1: you actually spell that out without knowing how to pronounce

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Speaker 1: the name, it would be kind of interesting. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be very very fun for Brewers

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Speaker 1: fans if it pans out the way that they think

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Speaker 1: it could. Okay, so obviously you need to stay locked

651
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Speaker 1: on Baseball America coverage. Get yourself a Baseball America's subscription

652
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: so you can follow this storyline and either say I

653
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: knew about this a while back and expected this, or

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Speaker 1: you know, you can get after us a couple of

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Speaker 1: years from now too. So thanks for watching this one.

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Speaker 1: That's the top prospect right now in the Brewers organization,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see it for more of these as we go.

658
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Speaker 2: Team by team.

659
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Speaker 1: Chandler could really ascend to sort of that number two

660
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Speaker 1: role behind schemes in the next couple of years. He's

661
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Speaker 1: a bigger guy, he's super athletic. We're hitting the top

662
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Speaker 1: prospect in the Pirates organization. According to Baseball America. It's

663
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Speaker 1: called a prospect profile. It's a fun name too, so

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Speaker 1: you want to see him thrive. Bubba Chandler in the

665
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Speaker 1: Pirates organization, just pitching JJ, What do we have here

666
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Speaker 1: a potential number? What in a rotation if it all

667
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Speaker 1: pans out?

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Speaker 3: Okay, you could say a two. This is the Pirates,

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Speaker 3: So like, I think the Pirates will be thrilled. I

670
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Speaker 3: feels their number three this year or their number four,

671
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Speaker 3: even because let's give credit to the Pirates on this one.

672
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Speaker 3: Paul Skiing is Jared Jones, Mitch Keller. If Bubba could

673
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Speaker 3: be their number four, that's a really good rotation. Okay,

674
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Speaker 3: It's maybe not Dodger's rotation where it's like, if you

675
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Speaker 3: might you must have cy Young votes to enter this rotation.

676
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Speaker 3: But it is really good and Bubba fits very well

677
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Speaker 3: in that. Like, it is not something where when we

678
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Speaker 3: talk about those guys that you would say, oh, Bubba

679
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Speaker 3: Chandler is the kind of the outlier of that group. No,

680
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Speaker 3: I think if it all comes together, it wouldn't surprise

681
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Speaker 3: me at all. He's not gonna be Paul Skans. If

682
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Speaker 3: Paul Skins is healthy, that's your ace. But if you

683
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Speaker 3: told me that Bubba Chandler ended up being the number

684
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Speaker 3: two on this staff and Jared Jones.

685
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Speaker 4: Kind of slots behind him, wouldn't shock me.

686
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Speaker 3: You got to give Jones the credit for he's already

687
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Speaker 3: done it at the big league level.

688
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Speaker 4: Bubba hasn't.

689
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Speaker 3: But Jeff, when I look at Bubba Chandler, I see

690
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Speaker 3: a whole lot here to think this guy could be

691
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Speaker 3: a rotation fixture and a really kind of impactful rotation

692
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Speaker 3: fixture for years to come.

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Speaker 1: When I was sort of going through the process of

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Speaker 1: doing my annual best pitches in the top one hundred,

695
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of candidates for best fastball. Guys like Chose,

696
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: Chase Dolander and others that throw really, really hard with

697
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Speaker 1: great movement, had great results throughout the season. When you

698
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Speaker 1: look at the combination of factors on Bubba Chandler's fastball,

699
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Speaker 1: ninety five to ninety six can ramp it up to

700
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Speaker 1: one hundred miles per hour when he needs it. He's got,

701
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Speaker 1: you know, above average induced vertical break. He's getting above

702
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Speaker 1: average horizontal break, and he's doing all that from a

703
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Speaker 1: really low release height.

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Speaker 2: It's almost similar.

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Speaker 1: To like a Garrett Cole sort of fastball in terms

706
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Speaker 1: of the movement profile. But also those release traits, and

707
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Speaker 1: those release traits are important because they pore ten deception

708
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Speaker 1: and the ability for hitters to not be able to

709
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Speaker 1: get on plane with that pitch. And oh, when it's

710
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Speaker 1: sitting ninety six to ninety seven and can touch ninety

711
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Speaker 1: nine one hundred miles per hour, it takes them even

712
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Speaker 1: longer to adjust to that. There's probably some stuff that

713
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Speaker 1: can come along In terms of what the slider is.

714
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Speaker 1: It's kind of a hard cutterish slider. There's been some

715
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Speaker 1: questions from scouts as to how well he manipulates that

716
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Speaker 1: pitch and how frequently he land. That will be a

717
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Speaker 1: question that will be answered at the major league level.

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Speaker 1: And then he has a pretty good change up as

719
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Speaker 1: well that plays well off of the fastball, so it

720
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Speaker 1: might be more of a fastball change up sort of

721
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Speaker 1: first profile, which obviously is going to put him in

722
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Speaker 1: a good position to handle heavy left handed lineups. But

723
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Speaker 1: he does have the smoke and you know, a good

724
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Speaker 1: enough sider to still get right handers out consistently. We

725
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Speaker 1: saw great results when he was up in Triple A

726
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Speaker 1: last year, and I think when you just you look

727
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Speaker 1: at a player like this, he kind of fits directly

728
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Speaker 1: into that Pirate's window of this like elite rotation that

729
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Speaker 1: they could potentially build. And I even think pound for

730
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Speaker 1: pound when you think about the body, some of the

731
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Speaker 1: durability concerns that you might have with a guy like

732
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Speaker 1: Jared Jones, which I think are totally reasonable, and just

733
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Speaker 1: even looking at some of the comparable arms to Jones,

734
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Speaker 1: like a strider, you know there's going to be some

735
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Speaker 1: injuries and some wear and tear and some shutdowns over

736
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Speaker 1: that period of time. I think that Chandler could really

737
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Speaker 1: ascend to sort of that number two role behind Skens

738
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Speaker 1: in next couple of years. He's a bigger guy, he's

739
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Speaker 1: super athletic, he can handle some innings. He's proven that

740
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Speaker 1: he's been able to do that. I think it's really exciting.

741
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Speaker 1: I would argue that you know this, this guy is

742
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Speaker 1: every bit up there with Jackson Job and Roki Sasaki

743
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Speaker 1: and some of the other Andrew Payn or some of

744
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: the other top top pitching prospects and that's why he's

745
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Speaker 1: inside our top ten. That sounds promising and also kind

746
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Speaker 1: of leads me to think about why the pirates want

747
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Speaker 1: him to just pitch. But JJ, you can tell us

748
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Speaker 1: more as I'm coming in here as the No Fund

749
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Speaker 1: Police to try and bring more fun to our sport,

750
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Speaker 1: which means more two way sensations. Bubba Chandler can swing

751
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Speaker 1: the bat. Why can't we see him continue that.

752
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Speaker 3: Because unfortunately we haven't proven that anyone in the US

753
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: knows how to develop guys like that as pros. I mean,

754
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Speaker 3: I wish that was the case. It'd be a lot

755
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Speaker 3: of fun. But Mason Wynn was a two way guy,

756
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 3: and they're like, wait a second, we got to figure

757
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: out how do we get him to pitch and not

758
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 3: shn eng Linn got to remember who is kind of

759
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 3: still a two way guy for the reds Now but

760
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: he's also again kind of coming from Asia. Shoeyotani has

761
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 3: proven you can do it. But go back to Brendan

762
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 3: McKay with the Rays a few years ago, who was

763
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Speaker 3: a top five pick, and they're like, oh no, no,

764
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 3: he can hit enough that we're going to use him

765
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Speaker 3: as a picture slash first base with slash DH and

766
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Speaker 3: he broke he couldn't do it. He could not do both,

767
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: and it ended up they could do neither because of

768
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: it because he kind of broke down his shoulder injuries

769
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Speaker 3: and all, and and Brendan McKay's kind of been bouncing around,

770
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Speaker 3: but nothing like the prospect he was a few years ago.

771
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Speaker 3: I think we're going to see it with the Royals

772
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Speaker 3: with Jack hagleone where we had Jack on the Hot

773
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 3: Sheets show a couple weeks ago, and I think we

774
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: tried to ask every way we possibly could about the

775
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: two way, and he really didn't want to answer it,

776
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Speaker 3: which I think can translate to the Royals aren't closing

777
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: the door, but they're really saying, we want you to

778
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 3: hit home runs, we don't really necessarily need you to

779
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: be striking guys out in the later innings.

780
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Speaker 4: I just Michael.

781
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 3: Lorenzen's another guy. There have been guys like this, but

782
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 3: it's just really hard to figure out in the US

783
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 3: system how to get a guy to develop as a

784
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 3: hitter and a pitcher at the same time. And I

785
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 3: really struggle to come up with an example of anyone

786
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 3: other than Shoeyotani, who's pulled it.

787
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 4: Off, Jeff.

788
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's just not anyone else on earth, or

789
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: probably since Babe Ruth who is as dominant on both

790
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: sides of the ball with those with those jobs. And

791
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: I think, you know, that is probably part of the

792
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: reason that sho Heyo Tani is able to do this

793
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: for as long as he is, because he is such

794
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: a good pitcher, maybe one of the top fifteen most

795
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: talented pitchers in the world, while being one of the

796
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: top five best hitters in the world. We haven't seen

797
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: anybody else that's been comparable to that, even coming from

798
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Speaker 1: these American institutions that had track records like Brendan McKay

799
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Speaker 1: or a guy like Jack Caglian cagnia One. It's it's

800
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: a bat over pitch profile. He wouldn't have gone in

801
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: the first round if he was a pitcher. Where we

802
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: can sort of look at Shoeyo Tani pretty easily, he

803
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: would have been the one to one pick as a

804
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: hitter or as a pitcher or as both.

805
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: It really doesn't matter.

806
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 1: And I think it's similar with Boba, where the bat

807
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: just wasn't as far along as how special he was

808
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: as a pitcher.

809
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Speaker 2: When you're the pirates.

810
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: There's probably nothing more valuable than getting really good starting

811
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: pitching on the cheap and controllable for a couple of years.

812
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: That it was a prudent decision for the organization, even

813
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: though it does sort of sap the fun out of

814
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: a player like Bubba a little bit.

815
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Speaker 3: I will point out that Paul Skins, Aron Jared Jones

816
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 3: also were two way guys. Paul Skeens was was a

817
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 3: college freshman All American for US for his catching in

818
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: d H before he basically went to LSU and moved

819
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 3: to the mound full time. So it's not just him, like, man,

820
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: can you imagine Paul Sking. Paul Skins really had legit power.

821
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: It's just hard to pull it off. But the other

822
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: thing I do think that happens when you have these

823
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: guys make this transition. Bubba Chandler's talked about it that

824
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: he was a two way guy, which meant he really

825
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 3: never kind of had that starting pitcher's mentality, that way

826
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Speaker 3: of prepping for starts, and so a guy like Bubba

827
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: kind of needed that transition to Okay, here's how you

828
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: treat your week, Here's how you treat your days before

829
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: the start, here's how you treat your day of the start,

830
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 3: because he was a two way guy before, and so

831
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 3: I do think it was useful that he's gotten a

832
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: chance to kind of get into a regimen, get into

833
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 3: a mentality of here's how I prep to start today,

834
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 3: Here's how I go through my entire day to be

835
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 3: ready to do this without kind of some of the

836
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: other stuff like oh, I need to get some swings

837
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 3: in the cage and things like that.

838
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Speaker 1: And here I'll just summarize the conversation about the Pirates,

839
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: which we can obviously cover on our weekly show more

840
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: as this season goes on. It's called Hot Sheet. Check

841
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 1: it out every Monday Live at three thirty Eastern time.

842
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: Can the Pirates develop enough to make themselves contenders? Because

843
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: we know they're not going to get the free agency support.

844
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: It's just not in their playbook. They do not have

845
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: permission from ownership to go after players. We talk about

846
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: this year after year. It doesn't matter if they're in

847
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: tank mode or right now where they should be in

848
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: competitive mode. It didn't really change much as far as

849
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 1: the final product last year. We'll see what a fresh

850
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: slate looks like with Skeins at the start of the season. Obviously,

851
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: this is very exciting to talk about what Bubba can

852
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: bring to the mix eventually, but it is the lurking

853
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: question with the Pittsburgh Pirates. Can they do this without

854
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: adding much around them in Major League Baseball as far

855
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: as free agent signings. So anyway, if you want to

856
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: hear more on that, you can definitely check us out

857
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: on a weekly basis so you can read more in

858
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: Baseball America, get yourself a subscription. And if you're a

859
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 1: fan of another team, we just want to hear about

860
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: other prospects, then just keep rolling here. We'll go team

861
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: by team on this series. There are some things that

862
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: just don't come across on the radar gun or the

863
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: stat sheet or you know, the track man device that

864
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: I think make this guy, you know a dog. Let's

865
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: hit the top prospect for the Cincinnati Reds. The name

866
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: is Rhet Louder. It's a prospect profile Scott Braun, Baseball Americans,

867
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: JJ Cooper and Jeff Ponce JJ. The Reds have been

868
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: trying to stack high end pitching talent. Rhet Louder up

869
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: next here?

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Speaker 3: What do you think I think that they've got another

871
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 3: guy knocking on the door here I'd be shocked we

872
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 3: saw Red Louder at the end of twenty twenty four,

873
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 3: and I would be shocked if we don't see him

874
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 3: produce quality innings for the Reds in twenty twenty five.

875
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: Although to the Red's credit, they've kind of loaded their

876
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 3: rotation enough where well, we'll see, you know, through we'll

877
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 3: see on opening day or in the lead up to

878
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: opening day, whether he's going to crack that roster, that

879
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: rotation from day one, or get a little bit more seasoning.

880
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 3: But this is as we thought when he was.

881
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 4: Coming out of a forest. This is an extremely polished pitcher.

882
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 3: And yeah, I almost want to say, like almost apologize

883
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 3: as I lay this out, because it's gonna sound like

884
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 3: I'm kind of damning him with faint praise, and I.

885
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 4: Don't mean it that way.

886
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: There is no pitch for Rhet Louder that jumps out

887
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 3: as like, oh, that's like a Paul Skiing's eighty, that's

888
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: like a Rokie Sazaki splitter or anything like that. What

889
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: really does stand out is just how all this fits together.

890
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: He's got a good enough he's got this arsenal pitches

891
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: that all are kind of like fifty five maybe it's

892
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 3: a sixty. Maybe it's a plus pitch, an above average

893
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 3: pitch if you'll really like it. But the key to

894
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 3: all of this is you watch how he pitches when

895
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 3: he's on, and he was on pretty much throughout his

896
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: little MLB sin at the end of twenty twenty four.

897
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: His command, his control is really advanced. He doesn't miss

898
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 3: with bad misses. If he misses, he generally is going

899
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: to miss in a spot where okay, ball two, let's

900
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: do this again. He doesn't miss where it leaks over

901
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: the middle of the play and gets crushed. He did

902
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 3: that over and over. He's done that kind of going

903
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 3: back to his college career at wake Forest, where if

904
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 3: you do remember, he matched Paul Schemes pitch for pitch

905
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 3: in Wake Forest versus LSU in one of the greatest

906
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: College Rule Series games we'll probably ever see. You put

907
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: it all together, and I would say that this is

908
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 3: more like this is a kind of a some of

909
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 3: the of the parts guy where maybe the stuff just

910
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 3: keeps getting a little bit better.

911
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 4: I look at a guy.

912
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: Like the path that, like Aaron Nola had with the Phillies,

913
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 3: where Nola doesn't have blow you away velocity, doesn't really

914
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 3: have blow you away pitches, but it works year after

915
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: year after year because he really knows how to pitch.

916
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 3: He's really durable, he's really smart. That kind of describes

917
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: Rhet Louder. I would say as well. But I will

918
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 3: also say it agonized as we did this Red's list,

919
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: because you could go Reht Louder, you could go Chase Burns,

920
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: by the way, another wake Forest first round pick for

921
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: the top of the draft. They've done it two years

922
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,479
Speaker 3: in a row here, and Jeff, I think, like again,

923
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 3: I'm going with the guy who's basically big league ready,

924
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 3: but I think you could also make the case for

925
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 3: Chase Burns, who's yet to really pitch in pro ball.

926
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 3: But on the ceiling side, I would have one hundred

927
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 3: percent agree that if Chase Burns hits his ceiling and

928
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: Rehet Louder hits his sealing, Chase Burns's gonna end up

929
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 3: being the better pitcher.

930
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: What do you think, Yeah, I think you know, just

931
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: as the resident stuffest in house here, meaning I care

932
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: more about stuff than I do necessarily about it.

933
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 4: I used to be that guy.

934
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: You stole that from me, and pitch ability, I would

935
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: lean on Burns. I think there's maybe some other elements

936
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: of Burns with profile that we haven't totally seen against

937
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: high level competition. Some of the talk around him, you know,

938
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: in the fall and some of the workouts that were

939
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: happening in Arizona where that he was only throwing with

940
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: a major league ball. So this could be another player

941
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: just like Louder last year that we see sort of

942
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: streamlined right into that big league rotation as early as

943
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: the end of this season. That being said, I do

944
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: want to sort of give Brett laud to his flowers.

945
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: When you look at execution, when you look at pitchability,

946
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: and I think you sort of nailed it with the

947
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 1: Nola comp of somebody who's going to go in there,

948
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 1: they're going to understand their opponents. They're going to understand

949
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: the spots and the zones that they need to land

950
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: particular pitches, how they have to sequence certain guys. He's

951
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: going to do all that work and sort of dating

952
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: back to, you know, talking to his former pitching coach,

953
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: Corey Muscara at Wake Forest when I was, you know,

954
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: doing some sort of draft work for us in my

955
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: early days here at BA. That was something even as

956
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: an underclassman when he pitched here at Boston College that

957
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: Corey really called out. This guy just has a very

958
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: cerebral understanding of pitching that he doesn't have to have

959
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: the biggest stuff because he knows how to hit his spots.

960
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: He knows how to make everything sort of dovetail nicely

961
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: within his arsenal. So he does execute, He does get

962
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: those outs, and it can get through lineup sufficiently without

963
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 1: having to just forcibly try to strike everybody out, which

964
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: I think at times that can be sort of the

965
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: knock on Burns. So when we compare the two, I

966
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 1: think when you're looking at Louder, he's just a more polished,

967
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: more major league ready. But that's not to say that

968
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: he doesn't have upside when he finally does face you know,

969
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: major league competition over his thirty plus starts and sort

970
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: of gets his feet. Weapon, has major league coaching and

971
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: access to all of the know additional things, nutrition, whatever

972
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: it might be that could take his game up another level.

973
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: I think that you could see that because of the

974
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: type of sort of individual and makeup that you have

975
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: with a guy like Louder. So there are some things

976
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: that just don't come across on the radar gun or

977
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: the stat sheet or you know, the track man device

978
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 1: that I think make this guy, you know, a dog.

979
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 3: The things that stand out for me, we saw it

980
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: last year, like at the start of the season, Louder

981
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: kind of got beat around for the first time. I

982
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 3: would say, really, I don't know, maybe this life, but

983
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: especially like his first time really as an you know,

984
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: high level amateur.

985
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 4: As a pro. And he made adjustments.

986
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 3: He kind of realized, Okay, that four seamer that I've

987
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 3: really relied on isn't kind of going to be my

988
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: calling card, got the seat, start using the sinker more.

989
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 3: I think that that's one of the things that we're

990
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: going to be looking at with a guy Likerhet Louder.

991
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: And that's what makes kind of projecting pitching so fun

992
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 3: but also so challenging. Is what he is right now?

993
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: Is what he is right now. We know that he

994
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 3: had one of the best strike percentages in the miners

995
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 3: last year. He throws a ton of strikes he can locate.

996
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 3: But if you told me that three four years from

997
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 3: now one of his best pitches is a pitch he

998
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 3: doesn't throw right now, wouldn't shock me. Because I think

999
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 3: as he goes through the hitters are going to show

1000
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: him what he needs to improve, saying Wather, He's going

1001
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 3: to show hitters what they need to improve at. And

1002
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 3: it's going to be kind of this point counterpoint. This

1003
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: isn't a guy who's just going to rear back and

1004
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: blow guys away. So if you told me that he's

1005
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: going to tinker, that he's going to add this pitch,

1006
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 3: maybe it's a cutter this year, or it's a slider,

1007
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 3: it's a little different, or you know, split whatever it is. Like,

1008
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 3: I think that he has the way to kind of add, subtract,

1009
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: do different things, and he has the aptitude to do that.

1010
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 3: We saw that again to take it to an extreme

1011
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: example because the guy he faced in Omaha, But we

1012
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 3: saw that with Paul Skeens last year, who kind of

1013
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 3: perfected and refined a pitch that he barely threw in

1014
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 3: college to kind of help, you know, take him to

1015
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: a Rookie of the Year status. If you told me

1016
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 3: the Red Louder is going to kind of keep tinkering

1017
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: over the next few years, he's smart enough that would

1018
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 3: not be all feeded that.

1019
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're excited as a Reds fan about

1020
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: the rotation that you have, but you feel like you

1021
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: want a little bit more, especially of top end talent.

1022
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: And here we're talking about Ladder getting you excited, and

1023
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: we're talking about Burns getting you excited. And this helps

1024
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: to tell the story of why the Reds have been

1025
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: going in this direction early in drafts JJ. They also

1026
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:28,959
Speaker 1: have trouble, understandably recruiting pitchers to Cincinnati as free agents.

1027
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: I will say also, though, if you're a Reds fan

1028
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 3: and you're saying that, and I'd say, like, well, Hunter

1029
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 3: Green is kind of like that's about as high octane

1030
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 3: as it gets, so like you got one, like you know,

1031
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 3: so now we're hoping to add two and three to that.

1032
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: But no, this is what the Reds are doing really

1033
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 3: well right now. They need helping the lineup. Ellie de

1034
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 3: la Cruz can't do it all by himself. But if

1035
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 3: you look at this rotation, it's going to be deeper

1036
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 3: than five man deep. A five man rotation with guys

1037
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 3: who should be very plausible starters. Nick Martinez can kind

1038
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 3: of do whatever they want with him because he can

1039
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 3: swing back and forth. And then you add go a

1040
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: year from now, and you add back in a Brandon

1041
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 3: Williamson and a Julian Agiar who kind of fit into

1042
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 3: that as well. As they come back from injury that

1043
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,959
Speaker 3: the pitching staff wise, Red's looking up look looking pretty

1044
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 3: promising right now.

1045
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good news for the long term for this team.

1046
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: So if you want more on the Cincinnati Reds, you

1047
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: can obviously check out Baseball America. Get yourself a subscription

1048
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: if you don't have one already subscribed to this YouTube

1049
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: channel check us out weekly on our show called Hot Sheet,

1050
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: and we'll keep rolling out top prospects team by a

1051
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: team as we go through the offseason.

1052
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 4: Here