1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: I never told you production by I heard. 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 2: You, And welcome to another edition of Feminists around the World. 4 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: And as May is aapi Asian American Pacific Islander History Month. 5 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: And I know there's other acronyms for this, so I 6 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: will pull that up, but that's the most commonly used 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: as of today. And we are talking surfers, yeah, writers 8 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: and surfers as well as a surfing community of Hawaii. 9 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: Same little caveat here. As per usual, we are doing 10 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 2: our best in getting the translations and pronunciations correct. If 11 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: you're a native Hawaiian and wants to weigh in and 12 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: tell us what we need to correct, please do. But yes, 13 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: you know, mispronunciations are not going to stop us. We'd 14 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: love call ins, but we also love talking about our 15 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: peoples in different people's in cultures, so you know, all 16 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: that good stuff. But any I have to ask, do 17 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: you know how to surf? Have you ever gone surfing? 18 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: Have gun surfing? Ooh surfing? And everyone who knows how 19 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: a surf is going to roll their eyes when I 20 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: say this, surfing is very difficult. Yeah, it is extremely difficult, 21 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: Like it looks like the smallest wave, like I could 22 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: do that, but the way you have to push yourself 23 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: up on the board requires a lot of arm strength 24 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: and coordination, so I can't. I would never say I 25 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: can surf. I can say I have done it okay, 26 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: and I mostly fell off on like what I would 27 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: call kitty waves, but it was very difficult. It was 28 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: extremely difficult. 29 00:01:55,200 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: I'm sure I've just watched it from TV shows, like 30 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: I've seen a few people surf obviously, but I don't 31 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: live on the West Coast, and the coat, like the 32 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: wave scene in the East Coast is not huge. 33 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: We know this. 34 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: People still do there are the people do things. But 35 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: I always watch surfers in awe because the amount of strength, 36 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: core strength and leg strength and arm strength, like you 37 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: just needed to have it all. And I've never Uh 38 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: I'm not coordinated either, like I can barely stand up 39 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: in general. 40 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: But no, I'm just saying so I haven't even there. 41 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: I don't think there's a point that I will ever try, 42 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: because I'm absolutely one of those like I will look silly, 43 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 2: so I'm not even going to try to put myself 44 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: through that humiliation. But I love watching it, and I 45 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: think it's an incredible sport, so we definitely wanted to 46 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: talk about it. And yeah, we're going to talk about 47 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: some of the history and women who are advocating for 48 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: others within the sport, specifically again in Hawaii. Just to 49 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: let you know, this is kind of a two parter, 50 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 2: not exactly like I'm not making to see it, Okay, 51 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: I'm just going to talk about a few of the 52 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: people behind the scenes. Few are the people who are 53 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: talking about the history of it and how women have 54 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 2: been involved for a while and just bringing attention to it. Again, 55 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: as per usual, this comes from people publishing books and 56 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 2: new documentaries that are coming out. 57 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: Which is cool that. 58 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: Again, Annie, go ahead and get your notepad out, because 59 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: we're going to have to put this on the list 60 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: because I do really want to read this book. I 61 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: think it's gonna be really interesting, as well as some 62 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 2: of the documentary that's been released in the last couple 63 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: of years showing fierce young women coming out into the 64 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: sport and really making headway. So cool, cool, cool, And 65 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: we're going to start with writer, journalists and surfer Mindy Pennibacker. 66 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: Pennybacker grew up in the south of Owahu, surfing like 67 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: many of the other kids in the area, but as 68 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: a young girl, she received a lot of backlash and 69 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: pushback from some of the other boys that she served with, 70 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: many who would only make fun of her or harass her, 71 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: but often would even still her ways to assert their 72 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: dominance over her. 73 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: Very very tricky. 74 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: I've seen us some movies. 75 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, exact, that's true. You're right, it's a popular. 76 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: Real silly saying that Fortunately she was mentored by a 77 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: surf legend, Alfred Rabbit Kakai, who coached her and so 78 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 2: many others, even coaching women who would go on to 79 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: become national champions in surfing. Uh. In an interview with 80 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: surfer dot com, she said, Rabbit would tell me what 81 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: to do. Tongs was thronged with kids in the late sixties, 82 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 2: and he was the only adult who seemed to care 83 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 2: about us. He would be coaching Heidi Hemmings, the younger 84 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 2: sister of champion Fred Hemmings, or Ev Black, who became 85 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 2: a national champion, but also he would teach the rest 86 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 2: of us etiquette and how to surf respectfully, tell us okay, 87 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: now is so and So's turn, and talking about how 88 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: to surf correctly and politely. 89 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: Yes, not stealing the one not stealing those waves right. 90 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: And with people like that, her love for surfing and 91 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: her community grew. But she always understood that the discrimination 92 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: and sexism within the surf cold sure was toxic and 93 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: exists even today. And after she returned to Hawaii, she 94 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: started writing for the Honolulu Star Advertiser and there she 95 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: spoke up about the surf culture, including encounters and surf 96 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: etiquettes within the community. In the same surfer dot com interview, 97 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: she talked about her work for the column and she 98 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: said quote, over the years, a lot of women and 99 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: men contacted me about the column, wanting to hear more 100 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: about surf etiquette, the environment, gender equity and competition, and 101 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: just being a regular woman who surfs and feeling dismissed 102 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: and excluded by men who drop in snake as threaten 103 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: and sometimes assaults us in the waves, as in the 104 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: shocking incident in Bali in April when a man punched 105 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: Sarah Taylor in the back of the head, forcing her underwater. 106 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: I found that the sexism that we face in the 107 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: waves is really a microcosm of what we experience on 108 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: land in our daily lives. One fellow a friend of 109 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: my brother's, good surfer and self procuamed Lothario, got really 110 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: i rate at my descriptions of how men outflex women 111 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: paddle around and try to intimidate us. A couple of 112 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: times he followed my husband down supermarket aisles and in 113 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: parking lots, yelling at him to quote make Mendy stop. 114 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 2: And this column soon grew into its own book. In 115 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, Pennybacker released Surfing Sisterhood Hawaii Wahiinae Reclaiming 116 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: the Waves, And here's a bit of a descriptor from 117 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 2: the Honolulu magazine dot com quote. In Surfing Sisterhood Hawaii, 118 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: Pennibacker shares stories from more than thirty current female Hawaii 119 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: surfers and more than one hundred striking photos and illustrations. 120 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: It's the first collection of women in surfing actually written 121 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 2: by woman. Pennybacker says she interviewed girls, busy mothers, and 122 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 2: big wave changers and discussed several pivotal events in the 123 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: past five years that depict the evolution of quote surf 124 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 2: culture through a female lens. And it quotes her saying 125 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 2: the book is called Reclaiming the Waves because I learned 126 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: that women did originally surf with equal rights to men 127 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 2: in Hawaii, which I hadn't known at all. After the 128 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: twentieth century, men dominated because stuffing became commodified and commercialized. 129 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: In her interview with surfer dot Com, Pennybacker talks about 130 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: the history and legend of Hawaiian surfing. She said, quote 131 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: in the Hawaiian Origin Miss Paley and her sister Hiaka, 132 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: the goddess of fire and the goddess of hula, they 133 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: both surfed. Hula and surfing go together in traditional culture, 134 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,559 Speaker 1: and many of the women I interview in the book 135 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: do both. And legend and reality, women serfed as equals 136 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: as men. I was shocked to learn this while researching 137 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: my book, because modern men had rewritten the history of 138 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: surfing to favor themselves. In a legend that predates Westerner's 139 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: arrival and was later written down by Samuel Kamakau, there 140 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: was the Surfcuala from Maui, and she just lived to surf. 141 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: All she did was surf, and she was beautiful, and 142 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: her surfing talent was known all throughout the islands. So 143 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: this chief of Oahu was looking for a spouse, and 144 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: he sent his guys in a boat to go kidnap her. 145 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: She had to live with him inland on Oahu, and 146 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: she was totally miserable. 147 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: And she continues in the article, she had four children 148 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: with him, and she had never been to the coast 149 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 2: on Oahu, but she could see it from the saddle 150 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: where they're up there at the junction between kol Lao 151 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: and Wayiny Mountain ranges. Finally, she said, I just want 152 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: to go and see the seashore. Her husband looked at 153 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: her and he knew wouldn't see her again. Kamakal riots, 154 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: but he let her go, escorted by some of his people, 155 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 2: and she never came back. She went to Waikiki, borrowed aboard, 156 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: served so well, and the King of Waikiki ended up 157 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: marrying her. She just loved to serve so much more 158 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 2: than her husband. She's so human to me. Is touching 159 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 2: that her husband knew she was never coming back, but 160 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: he didn't try to keep her. Seems like she had 161 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 2: taught him something about love, and the article continues. Women 162 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: traditionally enjoyed an asserted complete equality with men in the waves, 163 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: as demonstrated by surf partners and spouses Queen Kahahumnu and 164 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: Qing Kame Anaya. Hawaiian women and men continue to surf 165 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: throughout the nineteenth and early twentieth century, despite the taking 166 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 2: of their lands, illegal overthrow of their government, depletion of 167 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: food and natural resources, and a loss of half the 168 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 2: population to introduce disease. But in the mid twentieth century, 169 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 2: women were pushed aside by men because surfing became lucrative. 170 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: It was utilized by shortfront counties all over the world 171 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 2: to promote tourism and sell merchandise from surfware to cars, 172 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: and men seize the opportunity. 173 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 1: And with the history. Pennybacker has been outspoken about women 174 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: being a part of the surfing world. In a Flux 175 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: Hawaii dot com article, they post Pennybacker's book, where she writes, 176 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: I began writing a newspaper column on surfing, which grew 177 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: into my book, Surfing Sisterhood Hawaii Juahini, Reclaiming the Waves. 178 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: I have been happy to see more females in the 179 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: lineup than when I was a girl, but alarmed to 180 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: witness for a more overt gender based intimidation and insulting, 181 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: dismissive behavior from males. A booming sport since the mid 182 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: twentieth century, surfing even in its everyday, supposedly fun form 183 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: has gotten exponentially more crowded and competitive, which stoke some 184 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: men's frustration and aggression. Worldwide, as of twenty sixteen, there 185 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 1: were an estimated thirty three million surfers, with males outnumbering 186 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: females by males four to one according to the International 187 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: Surfing Association, But in Waii the average ratio that I 188 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: and other women observe is more like eight to one. Meanwhile, 189 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: competitive surfing allots places to half as many females as 190 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: male contestants, from amateur kkey events to the elite Big 191 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: Wave and World Championship pro tours. To date, only surfing's 192 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: Olympic debut in the twenty twenty Tokyo Summer Games, where 193 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: Hawaii Krisa Kayanani more one gold has fielded equal numbers 194 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: of women and men. Hawaii's women surfers are reclaes aiming 195 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: our traditional rights in the waves and joining their colleagues 196 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: worldwide and shredding mail chauveness myths that we can't execute 197 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: advanced maneuvers such as getting tubed or exploding into the 198 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: air above the tops of the waves, or ride big 199 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: waves as well as men. When I was a little girl, 200 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: I was told that women can't surf, Kawaii native Kila 201 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: Kinley said in twenty sixteen. And I was told this 202 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: about getting barreled, surfing big waves, surfing pipeline, paddling in 203 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: at Jaws, and the list goes on. She had just 204 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: become the first woman to win the open gender Pure 205 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: Scott Barrel of the Year Big Wave Award. 206 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 2: And that was just a bit from her book. And 207 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: with all of that, Pennybacker told surfer dot Com she 208 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 2: does see a need for change within the industry, but 209 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 2: still wants to make sure people enjoy the nature of 210 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: the sport. She says, when it comes down to it, 211 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: I think we have to keep speaking up. We shouldn't 212 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 2: be afraid to keep speaking up. But we should always 213 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: remember that surfing well with a smile is the best revenge. 214 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 2: If some guy think that a girl can't surf well 215 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: and they cut them off, then we just show them 216 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: different and we laugh. Surfing is supposed to be fun 217 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 2: for men and women. I don't want us to lose 218 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: touch with that. So yeah, I think we definitely need 219 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 2: to put her book on our list because it sounds 220 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: fascinating I want to see all these pictures and yes, 221 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: and we are going to come back to highlight some 222 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 2: of the native Hawaiian surfers next week. So if you 223 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: have any suggestions that you think we should put on 224 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: the list to talk about, go ahead and send this 225 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: that because we are still working on that list. 226 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: I have about four Yeah, and if any of you 227 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: listeners are surfers that would be cool to hear from you, 228 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: let us know. Yes. You can email us as Stephania 229 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You can find us 230 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: on Twitter amstuff podcast, or on TikTok and Instagram at 231 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: stuff I Never told you. We have a YouTube, can 232 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: go there as well. 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