Speaker 1: We're fact. I'm Drew McCarry and I'm David Roth and
Speaker 1: coming in September a new site we have built together
Speaker 1: called defect or Defector, and we're gonna have a new
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Speaker 1: listen to see by When you first told me this
Speaker 1: you wanted to put me and my babies on social media.
Speaker 1: I was like, hell no again, dead as I was.
Speaker 1: I was dead too when you said it, right, but
Speaker 1: I could foresee what social media was gonna be. So
Speaker 1: want no credit. I guess you'd be no one knowing
Speaker 1: I do being dead as hey. I'm Cadine and we're
Speaker 1: the Ellison. You may know us from posting funny videos
Speaker 1: without boys and of reading each other publicly as a
Speaker 1: form of therapy. Wait, I'm making meet therapy most days.
Speaker 1: Oh and one more important thing to mention, we're married, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: we are. We created this podcast to open dialogue about
Speaker 1: some of life's most taboo topics. Things most folks don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about through the lens of a millennial
Speaker 1: married couple. Dead ass is a term that we say
Speaker 1: every day where we say dead as we're actually saying
Speaker 1: facts one, the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
Speaker 1: the truth. We're about to take Philow talk to a
Speaker 1: whole new level. Dead ask starts now. I went for
Speaker 1: an audition on the TV show. I'm not going out
Speaker 1: the TV show, right, but um, of course I get
Speaker 1: I get the sides and it's for inmates, alright, something
Speaker 1: like damn inmate number seven. Okay. So then I walk
Speaker 1: in for the audition and there's two roles they're reading
Speaker 1: for and one role is for inmate number seven and
Speaker 1: the other role is for doctor. All of the people
Speaker 1: that were auditioning for doctor were Asian and white. All
Speaker 1: of the people who were auditioning for Innate number seven
Speaker 1: were black and brown. And it was just like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I don't want to do this no more.
Speaker 1: And I came home and he's like, how to go
Speaker 1: and I was just like remembered. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is cool show, Like what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: And it was like what first of all, And as
Speaker 1: an actor sometimes you just get tired, you know, like
Speaker 1: I had. I had two lines and the line was, bitch,
Speaker 1: what that's my towel? It's not. It's like I didn't
Speaker 1: really have to prepare for that. And right right, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, how many ways can you inflict
Speaker 1: you that, you know what? That's my towel, that's my towel.
Speaker 1: How does that work? I'm not knocking those roles because
Speaker 1: those roles and needed on television, but I was just
Speaker 1: tired of playing those roles and I just decided to say,
Speaker 1: you know what, babe, I want to show them my
Speaker 1: comedic style. I want to show them my ability to write,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I want to share our story.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to create a sitcom. And at the time,
Speaker 1: Instagram was only fifteen seconds and you was like what devout?
Speaker 1: I was like, trust me, and those two situations birth
Speaker 1: the social sitcom. Social sitcom known is I need to
Speaker 1: get back? Surety yum near for you. Anytime you need
Speaker 1: real good, listen to me in your world. Believe nothing
Speaker 1: to make a man feel better than a woman when
Speaker 1: you went to cry, will not be down for whatever.
Speaker 1: There's a few things that's forever, my lady. We can
Speaker 1: make war a make baby. When I was nothing. He
Speaker 1: made a brother feel like he was something. That's why
Speaker 1: I'm with you till his day. Boom no front. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you already know that the karaoke song today, although
Speaker 1: I suck trying to sing Mary's part. First of all,
Speaker 1: you can't everybody just sing Mary like you gave. Mary
Speaker 1: gave a value. That's that's the point of karaoke, the good,
Speaker 1: the bad, and the bad. So for today's show, we're
Speaker 1: talking social media with the journey has been like for
Speaker 1: us and what it really means to put our lives
Speaker 1: on full display. And later on in the show, joining us,
Speaker 1: we have Eric Dickens, he's the creator and writer of
Speaker 1: the show Makeup and break Up, And also we have
Speaker 1: two of the cast members are also going to join
Speaker 1: the show and tell us exactly what we have to
Speaker 1: look forward to. But I picked that song because of
Speaker 1: the words you know all I need, Yes, and where
Speaker 1: we were in our life when I decided to say
Speaker 1: we're going to start this in social media. We were
Speaker 1: at a point in our lives where there was a
Speaker 1: bunch of things going on simultaneously where we felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, what enough is enough? We need to now
Speaker 1: find a way to gain control and autonomy over our lives.
Speaker 1: To take a step out on a limb and see
Speaker 1: if it's gonna This is gonna work, because, to be
Speaker 1: quite honest, when we first talked about this whole social
Speaker 1: media thing, they were friends who were just like, y'all
Speaker 1: are doing too much. There were people who mentored you
Speaker 1: in the acting field that were like, you don't want
Speaker 1: to put yourself out There is just a dad doing
Speaker 1: regular things every day because no one's gonna want to
Speaker 1: see that. They're not going to value you credit you
Speaker 1: as an actor. We had family who was like, you're
Speaker 1: sharing too much of your lives. Why would you guys
Speaker 1: want to do that giving people a lens into your
Speaker 1: personal life? How dare you? Nobody saw it? But if
Speaker 1: you if you don't know, Right now, i'm smiling, I
Speaker 1: will tell you why I'm smiling. Right. This is gonna
Speaker 1: sound crazy, right, but there is a delusional quality that
Speaker 1: all successful people have right speak on it because they
Speaker 1: can see things that other people can't see. Right. So,
Speaker 1: for example, when I'm talking to my kids that I
Speaker 1: mentor and they're telling me what they want to accomplish
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, if you tell me something that
Speaker 1: somebody else is I got an idea, coach de vow
Speaker 1: and they tell me, and I've heard it before, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, that's that's not an idea, that's what people
Speaker 1: are doing. So when I was telling people, and I
Speaker 1: remember going through this journey when I just retired from
Speaker 1: the league and I was telling friends and family that
Speaker 1: I wanted to do TV. We have friends who are
Speaker 1: just like, you want to act. You have friends that
Speaker 1: asked you how long you're gonna let THEO do this?
Speaker 1: How long is he going to be doing this whole
Speaker 1: acting thing? Like, what's what's that about? I have family
Speaker 1: and I was just like, Oh, you're gonna do acting next, okay,
Speaker 1: first starving actor and all of this. And what happens
Speaker 1: is people people say that that's hate. That's not hate.
Speaker 1: That's not hate. People are not supposed to see your vision.
Speaker 1: If everybody around you can see your vision, that means
Speaker 1: that they're gonna start trying to do what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Then it gets crowded in that lane, right, I don't
Speaker 1: want nobody to see my vision. So when I told
Speaker 1: people what I was doing, and it was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't see it right right, and it was to
Speaker 1: the point where it started to kind of scare me
Speaker 1: a little bit, but in a good way. And then
Speaker 1: speaking to my manager recent there are our manager recently,
Speaker 1: she was like, Cadein, if your dreams are not scaring
Speaker 1: you to the point that you're that you are right now,
Speaker 1: then what's the point, Like why are we doing? And
Speaker 1: it was like a nervous scare. But I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm a rock out with devout. I
Speaker 1: rocked out with him through the NFL that came and went.
Speaker 1: We started all over again. We had Jackson, we rocked
Speaker 1: out with starting the gym. Remember when I started Elite
Speaker 1: Prototype Athletics. I came back to Brooklyn right me and
Speaker 1: my brother. I said, I'm gonna do sports performance in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: Everybody in Brooklyn's like, that ain't gonna work. We ended
Speaker 1: up having our own space at Aviator Sports and Recreation Center.
Speaker 1: Fast forward another three years, I'm part ownership over gym.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Brooklyn Athletic Club. Your visions have to
Speaker 1: be big if you want to do something different and great,
Speaker 1: Absolutely they have to be big. They have to be
Speaker 1: and you coming home from the league, you could not
Speaker 1: have come back like been this small guy from Brooklyn
Speaker 1: making it to the league, coming back to Brooklyn and
Speaker 1: not pouring back into the community that birthew So it
Speaker 1: was it was necessary to build this business. Business it
Speaker 1: was and I was like, you know, a devout if
Speaker 1: you want to build this business, I'm a whole of
Speaker 1: family down. I just want went back to back and
Speaker 1: I was working, and you know, we gave the story
Speaker 1: about us, you know, hustling with each other and me
Speaker 1: working in retail, trying to sustain things while you were
Speaker 1: getting your business off the ground. And that was all
Speaker 1: in the plan to be able to give ourselves the
Speaker 1: full flexibility and freedom that we needed to then be
Speaker 1: creatives and have the time to invest and not have
Speaker 1: to worry about chasing the dollar. And that led us
Speaker 1: to social media because I was looking at all of
Speaker 1: the great people that I inspired to be like. I
Speaker 1: looked at I looked at who inspired I aspired to
Speaker 1: be like. I looked at of course, jay Z, I'm
Speaker 1: from Brooklyn, right, he got passed over by so many
Speaker 1: record labels, so he started Rockefeller and now look, you know,
Speaker 1: you look at I'm out of boxer, but you look
Speaker 1: at Floyd Mayweather took his whole boxing career in his
Speaker 1: hands and is now one of the greatest boxers of
Speaker 1: all time. People can stay with they want to say
Speaker 1: about him, but his business acumen is unmatched. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a billionaire. Um. You look at Tyler Perry, you
Speaker 1: look at Ray Uh, you look at Uh, you look
Speaker 1: at Kevin Hart. All of these people traveled on a
Speaker 1: role that nobody else was traveling ones and said I'm
Speaker 1: going to do it this way and made it happen.
Speaker 1: So for me, social media was a way for me
Speaker 1: to tell my story because I like to write. You know,
Speaker 1: I've been writing scripts and I've been writing stories forever.
Speaker 1: He literally has been so like he literally watched movies
Speaker 1: and watch it with such a different eye. That's when
Speaker 1: I knew you were really serious about acting. Was when
Speaker 1: we'd go to the movies, because we used to go
Speaker 1: so frequently when we were younger, but we had time.
Speaker 1: We were like in the movie every week. And the
Speaker 1: way Devout would look and watch a movie and then
Speaker 1: critique the movie and break it down, or he would
Speaker 1: just foresee things happening. I was just like, Wow, this
Speaker 1: guy really is serious about this whole acting situation. I
Speaker 1: love storytelling. Yes, so it only made sense when so
Speaker 1: for media became a thing for us to really take
Speaker 1: control over it. And the thing that I love that
Speaker 1: to say that we have both come up with is that,
Speaker 1: you know, we did not let social media happen to us.
Speaker 1: We happen to social media. When you have the control
Speaker 1: over your content, when you're able to really put together
Speaker 1: and construct your own narrative, then you really can just
Speaker 1: put out what you want to put out and you
Speaker 1: don't have to rely on anybody else to tell your story.
Speaker 1: The story comes out more authentic, it's more organic in
Speaker 1: the moment, and it's really what we didn't foresee becoming
Speaker 1: a thing becoming a thing. We were really just putting
Speaker 1: our family and ourselves out there. And I say that
Speaker 1: loosely because you know, I've gotten backlash from some family
Speaker 1: members or we've heard people saying like, why would you
Speaker 1: share so much of your life? Share so much of
Speaker 1: your life? Let's really dissect it and break it down.
Speaker 1: You know, there's three sixty five days in a year,
Speaker 1: twenty four hours in a day. If I'm sharing a
Speaker 1: one minute video every day, that's like less than one
Speaker 1: percent of my entire life of my day. So how
Speaker 1: much am I really sharing? Not much? Not much. However,
Speaker 1: I think that there is um a greatness in being
Speaker 1: being able to make people feel as if they're so
Speaker 1: invested in, so drawn in by a minute, that's sixty
Speaker 1: seconds that we construct where people feel they can relate
Speaker 1: to it well, they can engage, they can share. You
Speaker 1: know why. It's because now if you look at our page,
Speaker 1: you can watch a full two and a half years
Speaker 1: of what's going on in our life through sixty second
Speaker 1: clips and create a story of who the ellis Is are.
Speaker 1: And that's the that's what I wanted to create with
Speaker 1: this social sitcom. I wanted to create a platform where
Speaker 1: people can see our style of art and we can
Speaker 1: have control over it. So that's the why. Now, as
Speaker 1: an artist, if you're a painter, right, what do artists paint? Right?
Speaker 1: Inspire them things that are in their lives. If you're
Speaker 1: a rapper, what do you your life? Right? Sing you
Speaker 1: sing about life events. If you're a writer or a creator,
Speaker 1: you write and create about your life. There's some important
Speaker 1: to me then my family. So for me, it was
Speaker 1: easy content for me to script around, to create content
Speaker 1: that people I feel that I feel like I was
Speaker 1: missing because super passionate. I'm super passionate about family, I'm
Speaker 1: super passionate about legacy building, I'm super passionate about entrepreneurship,
Speaker 1: and um, I'm also super passionate about how we are
Speaker 1: represented in these stories that we tell, you know, so
Speaker 1: so often. Growing up in the eighties and the nineties,
Speaker 1: a lot of the stories be told were the classic
Speaker 1: hood stories. You know, boys in the hood, menace of society,
Speaker 1: shout out to John Singleton, Um, these stories show black
Speaker 1: people in one way, you know. And I always wondered
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, because I grew up in
Speaker 1: Flatbush in Brooklyn, and people would ask me that didn't
Speaker 1: live in Brooklyn, who saw movies from Brooklyn, like they
Speaker 1: watched Juice, and they were just like, that's how it
Speaker 1: is on the time. You have to be shooting up
Speaker 1: each other all the time. Or what I thought about
Speaker 1: l A. I thought about l A. What I thought
Speaker 1: was menace to society and boys in the hood. So
Speaker 1: if I ever go to l A, I might get shot.
Speaker 1: And I'm a young kid, you know, I'm a young kid.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what about the young middle class families who
Speaker 1: are thriving, living different type of lives, you know, And
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, I want to
Speaker 1: create a story around those type of families. And I
Speaker 1: was like, family, you you came from a strong middle
Speaker 1: class family. I came from a strong middle class family.
Speaker 1: Your family is from the West Indies. And we talked
Speaker 1: about this. They have a completely different viewpoint of what
Speaker 1: America is than the Black American family. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's actually dope that we can talk about the culture
Speaker 1: situation that we are going on here. Yeah, and not
Speaker 1: to mention like funny should just be happening in our
Speaker 1: house every day, every single day. There's something funny that happens.
Speaker 1: And I think it's even just like the relationship we
Speaker 1: have where we don't take ourselves too seriously, but we
Speaker 1: can constantly joke on each other and we find the
Speaker 1: humor in parenting. We find the humor and relationships and
Speaker 1: in marriage, and we're able to even now at this point,
Speaker 1: speak about things that maybe not so fun and find
Speaker 1: a humorous twist on it, but at least its sparkes conversation.
Speaker 1: Even the greatest the people who are at the highest
Speaker 1: of the mountain, you look at Bradley Cooper, right, he
Speaker 1: wrote I think he wrote and directed this last film
Speaker 1: that he did that was nominated, The star was born
Speaker 1: right And when they asked him, when they asked him,
Speaker 1: what made you? What made you get to this and
Speaker 1: he wanted to do he said, I was tired of
Speaker 1: waiting for people to write the role that I wanted
Speaker 1: to do. Right here is and we always talk about
Speaker 1: racist country, here is a white male who was at
Speaker 1: the pinnacle. He's already been nominated and want to Oscar
Speaker 1: I believe, And even still he is like, yo, I
Speaker 1: don't want to wait. I want to do it myself.
Speaker 1: That to me is inspiring because if he already has
Speaker 1: all of the tools and the advantages and the privilege,
Speaker 1: he still is not sitting back and waiting and he's
Speaker 1: still writing and producing stuff. So so me little on me.
Speaker 1: If I want to get to that level and he's
Speaker 1: hustling like that, I need to get on that same hustle.
Speaker 1: Denzel does the same thing, Will Smith, the same thing.
Speaker 1: Look at look at Will's presence now on social media.
Speaker 1: This is this is like Will Smith, what I mean,
Speaker 1: you understand what I'm saying. Look at the val he's
Speaker 1: about to cry. Yo, let me tell you something. You
Speaker 1: have no clue. You'll have no clue how much that
Speaker 1: man inspires me, not only as an actor, but as
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, as a father, as a husband, as a creator,
Speaker 1: and as just an overall person and lover of people.
Speaker 1: Like he just understands people. Understand you. Guys have similarities
Speaker 1: in that really understand people and wants everybody to win,
Speaker 1: like he just wants everybody when he wants, he might
Speaker 1: have a good time. I want to dive into a
Speaker 1: little bit more of the how for people because I
Speaker 1: want this to be insightful. Right, people always ask us
Speaker 1: about monetizing social media. Right, these two words brand consciousness. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you why. There are people on social
Speaker 1: media who have millions of followers who can't make any
Speaker 1: money because their content is not digestible. Brands can't partner
Speaker 1: with you to push your content. So you may have
Speaker 1: a million followers who like to watch you do funny stuff,
Speaker 1: but you can never really make any real money. And
Speaker 1: I think that's the part that people are missing. People
Speaker 1: think that the brands come with the following. Doesn't come
Speaker 1: with the following, It comes with the engagement and it
Speaker 1: comes with the content because they're more importantly the content
Speaker 1: that the engagement, because you may have engagement for having,
Speaker 1: you know, doing come to your page and be like
Speaker 1: they want to be entertained. The content piece is the
Speaker 1: most important part because there are people who have fifty
Speaker 1: followers who make a living like they work on Wall
Speaker 1: Street because they have great content and they have great
Speaker 1: brand partnerships. So if you don't, if you don't take
Speaker 1: anything else away from this, take away from this, if
Speaker 1: your content is not digestible and can't be seen by
Speaker 1: this demographic, eleven through and that eleven is the most
Speaker 1: important because I don't know if you know this, but
Speaker 1: the most highest paid influencers on YouTube our childrenildren. Did
Speaker 1: you hear what I said? I said their children? Because
Speaker 1: this generation is driven by those phones and those tablets.
Speaker 1: The older people still watch TV, yes they watch TV,
Speaker 1: but the young people in the future, everything is done
Speaker 1: on the phone. So if you can captivate that young audience,
Speaker 1: you can make some money. Now, how you create your content,
Speaker 1: the type of content you create, that's on you. I
Speaker 1: can't I can't tell you what's fascinating in your life
Speaker 1: or tell you how to write a story. But when
Speaker 1: it comes to this social media stuff, you have to
Speaker 1: understand that brand consciousness is important. What you post, how
Speaker 1: you post, when you post is very important, extremely important.
Speaker 1: And when thinking about content to a lot of people
Speaker 1: want to know, like how we are able to like
Speaker 1: how do you come up with this funny stuff? It
Speaker 1: literally is situations that just happened in our household that we,
Speaker 1: if anything, have to just redo or reenact. Or We'll
Speaker 1: just be a random time We're walking down the block
Speaker 1: and I'll see devout hold this with you know, his
Speaker 1: his camera up and then next thing you know, it
Speaker 1: becomes a video and I'm posting on social media. Um.
Speaker 1: But I will say that, make sure your content is
Speaker 1: authentic and organic to whatever your message is or whatever
Speaker 1: it is you're trying to do. Um and paying little
Speaker 1: attention to the comments per se. You know, we get
Speaker 1: the question a lot about how do you guys deal
Speaker 1: with people in your comments and what people have to say?
Speaker 1: And for the most part, yeah that I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna how to put this out there. I can't say
Speaker 1: this enough. We have to stop over utilizing this word
Speaker 1: hate because someone disagrees with what you say or does
Speaker 1: it like your content doesn't make them a hater. It
Speaker 1: does not warrant it as hate. It's not hate. They
Speaker 1: they're different thinkers. They may not think like you, but
Speaker 1: understand that they're on your page and they're commenting, so
Speaker 1: you're still engaging them if you If you continue to,
Speaker 1: you know, disrespect people or disengage people who who disagree
Speaker 1: with you, you're losing people who may share your content.
Speaker 1: And then you're taking the time to to then engage
Speaker 1: in back and forth with people who disagree with what
Speaker 1: you may have put out there. And what are you
Speaker 1: doing now? You're wasting time, wasting energy engaging in these
Speaker 1: dialogues that go back and forth and back and forth
Speaker 1: in an entire thread when you could be thinking about
Speaker 1: the next video that you're gonna be posted. Anyone that
Speaker 1: takes the time to view your content, they're not a hater.
Speaker 1: They're a supporter, whether they like it or not. They
Speaker 1: may not like that video per se, but if they
Speaker 1: come back to another one, they may like the next one.
Speaker 1: So you can appreciate if someone doesn't the content, and
Speaker 1: that's important for people to understand. With social media, Yes,
Speaker 1: and you can be selective in what you you engage into.
Speaker 1: That's also the great thing about it. You don't necessarily
Speaker 1: have to answer to everything you know. And we always
Speaker 1: say we would do a disservice to people who support
Speaker 1: and are positive and and and always are encouraging us
Speaker 1: and sharing our content and showing us so much love.
Speaker 1: We love and appreciate that so much because they are
Speaker 1: the reason why we even have a platform like this.
Speaker 1: To begin with, Tip number one, do not focus on
Speaker 1: the comments that come with every video because every video
Speaker 1: is just a snapshot in time, and people are going
Speaker 1: to judge you on that snapshot in time. But if
Speaker 1: you know you have more content coming in this content prior,
Speaker 1: they'll learn more about you by watching your content. You
Speaker 1: don't have to defend yourself on every bit of content
Speaker 1: you put out exactly. That's a great ex exhausting as
Speaker 1: he there we go and not want to create content exactly,
Speaker 1: it's a great tip. Tip number two, be authentic in
Speaker 1: whatever your content is and do not allow that to
Speaker 1: deter you from creating what organically you want to put
Speaker 1: out there. A lot of times people do not know
Speaker 1: what they want until you give it to them, So
Speaker 1: give it to them. What's the worst that could happen
Speaker 1: when you put yourself out there people don't like it.
Speaker 1: Oh well you will have your demographic of people that
Speaker 1: will cheer for you and root for you and once
Speaker 1: some more. That's so true, So do it. That's any
Speaker 1: other tips, anything else that you wish somebody would have,
Speaker 1: schools you want before this whole social media game became
Speaker 1: a thing that you're just like, you know what, this
Speaker 1: is like very insightful. I think we gave people a
Speaker 1: lot to think about her and they were thinking about
Speaker 1: embarking on the whole social media journey or just how
Speaker 1: to deal with it now that you have content that
Speaker 1: people are putting out on a regular basis. I just say,
Speaker 1: go do it. Don't be afraid, you can't be afraid,
Speaker 1: don't listen to the naysayers. And oh, last last, it
Speaker 1: doesn't happen overnight, so you know, Rome wasn't built in
Speaker 1: a day. And I've heard um to Rog p Henson
Speaker 1: say this, I heard Kevin Hart say this, It takes
Speaker 1: ten years to become an overnight celebrity to get ve
Speaker 1: been in the game forever, you know, And she's like,
Speaker 1: y'all just realized this, Like what comes out of nowhere?
Speaker 1: What you mean the hell up? Yeah, it takes time.
Speaker 1: It takes time, people, And there's a tip I can
Speaker 1: give you. It takes time. Just be consistent, love what
Speaker 1: you do, love what you do, and find somebody that
Speaker 1: loves it with you, that can push you when the
Speaker 1: times gets Because if I didn't have this woman right here,
Speaker 1: this is no, no bullshit. It's easier for me to
Speaker 1: do what I do when I can wake up and
Speaker 1: I know I got a partner that can help filling
Speaker 1: the gaps at the things I'm not good at. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I can't, I'm not organized. Right now, we're
Speaker 1: sitting at the table and everyone signed it, autographs and
Speaker 1: signatures all over the table. My brain is like this table.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of stuff all over in his brain.
Speaker 1: Her brain is like a foul cabinet, like she can
Speaker 1: just go right in there and just pull something out
Speaker 1: and bound. So, you know, find someone I can help
Speaker 1: you with this journey. And social media? Right baby? Do
Speaker 1: you like social media? I have a love hate relationship
Speaker 1: for social media. You didn't always like you didn't always
Speaker 1: like it. I didn't. I didn't very apprehensive at first,
Speaker 1: didn't see the vision, didn't have the force that I
Speaker 1: did have the foresight though, that you would grow into
Speaker 1: your head. So be glad that I had first always
Speaker 1: sending shots. You're sending shots and I can't send it
Speaker 1: back back. Okay, why so your little minions can come
Speaker 1: at me. I don't want your little minions coming at me.
Speaker 1: I don't want them. But I'm glad that you do.
Speaker 1: Somebody who elseo at foresight when it comes to social media?
Speaker 1: This is Mr Eric Dickens. Now first and foremost. Let
Speaker 1: me give you guys a little story. When I was
Speaker 1: just doing the dad thing on social media and me
Speaker 1: and my wife, um, I have reached out to one
Speaker 1: of my homeboys, Camel. Camel I think has spoke to
Speaker 1: Eric about possibly doing some stuff on the show that
Speaker 1: he had on social media. Right, So Eric hit me
Speaker 1: up and I was like, yo, I gotta role for you.
Speaker 1: It's only one scene, right, So I was like, it's
Speaker 1: a web series, it's one scene. I'm with it. So
Speaker 1: then Eric was just like, I cool, come to We
Speaker 1: chopped it up. We talked for about what was about
Speaker 1: three months after doing that one, seeing about stuff you
Speaker 1: wanted to do and that it gave me some more
Speaker 1: opportunities and it grew into a full fledged relationship. Now,
Speaker 1: my man, Eric dick Is is is here. So for those
Speaker 1: of you who have not seen Makeup to break Up,
Speaker 1: it's a series about relationships and all the dynamics. Basically,
Speaker 1: you have a couple who are goals on the outside
Speaker 1: looking in, but girl decides to leave the relationship and
Speaker 1: when she realizes the grass ain't always greener, girl decides
Speaker 1: that she wants that old thing Max. But the guy
Speaker 1: is now in a new relationship and has to figure
Speaker 1: out where he jones now. Eric, first of all, tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about yourself. Eric Um, native of Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: just turned thirty five, work in digital as cells is
Speaker 1: the nine and five and the other five and nine
Speaker 1: is creating um kind intent. So that's where I'm at
Speaker 1: right now with it. Well, that's first of all, I
Speaker 1: didn't even know you had like a full time job job.
Speaker 1: You do this on the side, well side, talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about that, because a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: understand that you have to have capital to be able
Speaker 1: to do your art. So what is that like, you know,
Speaker 1: having a nine to five and still being able to
Speaker 1: create content. Um, it's dope, because I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: really have to struggle. You just have to learn how
Speaker 1: to budget. When I was in an undergrad I did
Speaker 1: TV production and like all the camera equipment we use
Speaker 1: was crazy expensive. Fast forward eighteen years later, you can
Speaker 1: make a movie or anything on your phone. You know what.
Speaker 1: The budget is a little bit different where you can
Speaker 1: actually afford to create content on your own as opposed to,
Speaker 1: you know, wait for somebody to back your project. Now
Speaker 1: you can just go out there and do it yourself. Um.
Speaker 1: So that's been the good part about it as far
Speaker 1: as funding. Um, I tell everybody just create a goal,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Set your goal. If you
Speaker 1: can't get investors, you gotta back it yourself. Um. Just
Speaker 1: put a little bit of money away moroughly, and then
Speaker 1: once you finally reach your goal, you can go forth
Speaker 1: with your project. How did you come up with this concept?
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about the show and how
Speaker 1: did you even come up with the idea? Oh? Interesting? So,
Speaker 1: as a kid, like most men, my inspiration like I
Speaker 1: felt like I looked up to the movie Boomeranghy. So
Speaker 1: my goal was to get to New York by any means. Necessarily,
Speaker 1: I wanted to work directly in television, but the hours
Speaker 1: was crazy. So I figured, like I said, if I
Speaker 1: go over to the digital side or like the corporate side,
Speaker 1: I could do a nine if I collect that money
Speaker 1: and do my own things. So that's kind of what
Speaker 1: I did. Um funny thing I end up working in
Speaker 1: as Cells, which Marcus Graham did in the movie. So
Speaker 1: throughout my twenties, like just dating in hallm and just
Speaker 1: going to Brooklyn and dating it was crazy, like you
Speaker 1: would literally spend so much money going out on dates
Speaker 1: with multiple women just based on your life, not my life,
Speaker 1: just my exclosely based on some of the situations that
Speaker 1: I had, but a lot of my friends by Sunday morning,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like how much money did I spend
Speaker 1: while my way up outside of my apartment? Like the
Speaker 1: stories you were here on Monday would be crazy. So
Speaker 1: I was like, what if I put all this into
Speaker 1: one show and like to see how we're kind of like,
Speaker 1: um paying out but a lot of stuff is like fabricated,
Speaker 1: but you know, yeah yeah yeah, But like sometimes my
Speaker 1: friends be watching and be like, yo, that that scenario
Speaker 1: content familiar, Like we're not naming anything. So but no,
Speaker 1: it's great because I think that's what makes the show
Speaker 1: so relatable for people who are watching, and there's some
Speaker 1: invested in the characters because they probably all know somebody
Speaker 1: who's been in one of those characters positions before them themselves,
Speaker 1: and they say stuff like, now, that was my friend.
Speaker 1: I'll do that all the time. I'll do that on
Speaker 1: this podcast. My friends knowing that should be me. I know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look out for you when your friends don't
Speaker 1: be you. I'm worried about it. Don't be be your minions.
Speaker 1: They roll up on me in the street. Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: it was with Eric when we when I was shooting
Speaker 1: this was for another project. We went on me and
Speaker 1: the other the female lead, went into the bar because
Speaker 1: y'all was setting up the lights outside. So we were like, yo,
Speaker 1: we're gonna run lines while we're at the bar so
Speaker 1: that when we go outside we're ready. So me and
Speaker 1: her at the bar running lines. Shortly walks up right
Speaker 1: on me. I know your wife, that's not her. I'm like,
Speaker 1: first of all, it's made. Yeah, we just telling I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's mad, rude. You don't even know who this could be.
Speaker 1: This could be a client, this could be someone who
Speaker 1: I'm working with. And she was like she gave you
Speaker 1: three whole boys and then she was gone, she was
Speaker 1: going to take a picture. All that. You have a
Speaker 1: little bit of a cult following. And I knew this
Speaker 1: when I was on Makeup to break Up and someone
Speaker 1: came into my comments was like, yo, Gavin, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I have a friend name Gavin. First, this
Speaker 1: is after the one scene that I did a summer ago.
Speaker 1: It was like, Yo, Gavin, I saw you and I
Speaker 1: was like, what are they talk And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: make up and break up. So it's kind of dope
Speaker 1: to see how you're following kind of follow you guys, Well,
Speaker 1: how did you get into doing it on YouTube? Because
Speaker 1: most people think, like you think, let me come up
Speaker 1: with a concept, let me put it in film festivals,
Speaker 1: let me people like myself. What what made you get
Speaker 1: to that point? I would say easter Y was a
Speaker 1: good inspiration to everybody who's up and coming. Um. You
Speaker 1: know a lot of people they have the pleasure going
Speaker 1: to film school UNC or you know, n y U
Speaker 1: and they basically having like a I don't want to
Speaker 1: say a blueprint, but they kind of have a direction.
Speaker 1: And I feel like from my perspective, um, I didn't
Speaker 1: go to school for film school, so it's kind of
Speaker 1: like I had to figure out how to navigate it
Speaker 1: after seeing easter Rey do it. She kind of like
Speaker 1: put the blueprint out there for like other content creators,
Speaker 1: it's instant gratification. So, like you said, you can go
Speaker 1: to the comments and they'll tell you what you need
Speaker 1: to work on versus what you expand upon. So I
Speaker 1: think that YouTube was the best field just to grow,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, your platform as far as
Speaker 1: your viewership. So where did you know? It's funny you
Speaker 1: mentioned looking in the comments to see where you can get,
Speaker 1: you know, direction from. It's funny we had taken a
Speaker 1: different approach when it came to comments and stuff with us,
Speaker 1: though we're not doing full on productions, but it is
Speaker 1: a production in our own the videos we do. And
Speaker 1: one thing to Valin I said is that we would
Speaker 1: look at the comments sometimes if we had the time,
Speaker 1: but we would never alter or change our art or
Speaker 1: our perspective or what is we want to put out
Speaker 1: based on what people say per se in the comments.
Speaker 1: Do you ever find like a tug of war with
Speaker 1: that where you're like, these people don't know what they're
Speaker 1: talking about in the comments or you actually tell you
Speaker 1: about they have a point. Now I learned a valuable lesson,
Speaker 1: like I would say, just create your own structure, trying
Speaker 1: not to get feedback from comments, just get feedback from
Speaker 1: industry vets. Because I remember it was a big thing
Speaker 1: like people like, we want longer episodes, and I think
Speaker 1: we extended it one time, like twenty eight minutes, and
Speaker 1: I was like, this is way too long. That happened
Speaker 1: with We started with fifteen minute of logs and the
Speaker 1: numbers were crazy with the fifteen minute of logs. Then
Speaker 1: we got to thirty eight minute laws. People we want more.
Speaker 1: But then I'm looking at the average duration of the
Speaker 1: laws and it was at like twelve minutes. And then
Speaker 1: I saw comments, was like, I love you guys, but
Speaker 1: I cannot watch third date minutes computers. I was like,
Speaker 1: see this wild. I shouldn't listen to people just going
Speaker 1: with my heart, going with our know works. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: actually want to bring the cast in so we can
Speaker 1: talk about the project, because I know you have an
Speaker 1: announcement for us, but the project, this project has grown goods.
Speaker 1: So now we have the cats of Makeup and break
Speaker 1: Up in the house. Can you please introduce yourselves to us. Sure. Um,
Speaker 1: I am Nicolette Ellis and I portrayed Brooke. Hey, my
Speaker 1: name is Omar Salmon, and I play Blake. Alright, so
Speaker 1: let's go tell us about your characters, ladies, first to
Speaker 1: star first, okay, star girl. Um, so I portrayed the
Speaker 1: character Brooke. Um, Brooke, Brooke has gone through a lot crazy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, just a little bit. I adjusted her though,
Speaker 1: cannot judge your character, you know, but um, I think
Speaker 1: she's gone through a lot, especially with her I guess
Speaker 1: I can say that, right, um Blake, Um, that relationship
Speaker 1: really taught her about self love. I feel like because
Speaker 1: also her relationship um with someone else a married and
Speaker 1: it got a little sticky. And so with that being said,
Speaker 1: I feel like Brooke went through this whole thing of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna involve. I'm going to grow,
Speaker 1: I'm going to discover myself and I think in the
Speaker 1: new season you will see that. Yeah, Um, Omar Salmon
Speaker 1: and I played Blake. Yeah all right, yeah, let's dude,
Speaker 1: it's too funny, but yeah, I played Blake and Blake
Speaker 1: I think it's just a guy. Um, he's time's gonna
Speaker 1: be a little naive, um, a little emotional, but at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, just good, hard to do,
Speaker 1: trying to find his way to navigate. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he's just a regular human being. You know, dude's trying
Speaker 1: to make it and your women just be you know,
Speaker 1: Judge Bakes appreciate Blake's character a good guy. Why was
Speaker 1: it important for you guys to portray these roles? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I'll just say as far as being a black actor, um,
Speaker 1: and typically we'll get a thug number two or he
Speaker 1: talked about this, You and I talked about this. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's the typical thing. Orum. If they
Speaker 1: do put us in anything, it's the army guy or
Speaker 1: the cop. Right. Um, that's the most that we'll get
Speaker 1: outside of real human beings. But um, we don't get
Speaker 1: people who are every day human beings just navigating through
Speaker 1: life and trying to figure things out. Um. And I
Speaker 1: think with Blake, um, and I would think Brooke as well.
Speaker 1: We just got the chance, an opportunity to explore something
Speaker 1: real and bring it to life and allow people to
Speaker 1: see themselves on on on camera. That's what's up. What's up? Yeah,
Speaker 1: piggybacking off of that. UM, I agree. Um. I think
Speaker 1: as a black woman, you know, we are strong, um
Speaker 1: and a lot of people see us that way. But
Speaker 1: also we are human and so we do have emotions
Speaker 1: that people don't realize that we have. And I know,
Speaker 1: like they always say, okay, um, they're saving the day
Speaker 1: the standard third, but it's also like, no, we we
Speaker 1: are human. We cry. We um. We we might save
Speaker 1: the day, but we also have heartbreaks, um, and we
Speaker 1: go through a lot. And um, I think it's very
Speaker 1: important that we show that we love ourselves. I think
Speaker 1: sometimes we forget about that. And um, I think me
Speaker 1: even seeing it and portraying that character and seeing the
Speaker 1: characters that Eric has created, these dynamic characters, I feel
Speaker 1: like I can relate to a lot of them, even
Speaker 1: when it comes to the men and when they're going
Speaker 1: through their own heartbreaks. So I feel like, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: humans and you guys have been acting for how long?
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's over ten years? Because I gotta come over, Tennis.
Speaker 1: I got a serious question. Um. I started to No. Six. Um,
Speaker 1: I decided to do it in No. Six and oh
Speaker 1: seven is when I actually started starting. Okay, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I suppose like twelve, I started twenty eleven. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's about eight years. Yeah. And the reason why
Speaker 1: I asked that is because as actors, I remember at
Speaker 1: one point when I first started, it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in a web series. I
Speaker 1: want to be an actor. I want to be on TV.
Speaker 1: I wanna be in movies. What changed in you, guys?
Speaker 1: And and this to you as well to ask a question,
Speaker 1: what made it? You know what let me go to
Speaker 1: the internet. Yeah, see if I can put my talent.
Speaker 1: Was there like did you get tired of auditioning the
Speaker 1: traditional way or you know? Because I know that now
Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't necessarily always doing the traditional
Speaker 1: acting way where you submit a tape, where you go
Speaker 1: to an audition and you get a call back. People
Speaker 1: just putting their own content out now on this platform
Speaker 1: for everyone to see. So yeah, at one point, did
Speaker 1: you realize, like, you know what, I'm going to go
Speaker 1: this unconventional route. Yeah? For me, Um, I don't. I
Speaker 1: never really looked at it as the internet, right. I
Speaker 1: just like good work. I like good scripts. So when
Speaker 1: Eric sent me the script, I just said, this is
Speaker 1: a good script, and I want to do it. I
Speaker 1: don't really look at it as um uh, the internet
Speaker 1: exposure and things like that. Whatever's supposed to happen is
Speaker 1: going to happen regardless, right, as long as you do
Speaker 1: to work. So it didn't really bother me. I hate TV,
Speaker 1: but I love good work like TV. I hate TV.
Speaker 1: I hate TV. I love good you hate TV. I
Speaker 1: just think it's it's it's not a lot of space
Speaker 1: and not a lot of time. Everything is so pace driven.
Speaker 1: With film, you're able to sit there and dive and
Speaker 1: take it time like that. Yes, so so watching it
Speaker 1: is everything just moves too fast that edits are really quick.
Speaker 1: I just don't like it. Um, but film I'm able
Speaker 1: to dive in. Uh. I feel like I'm a part
Speaker 1: of their world, you know what I mean. I always
Speaker 1: want to do film. But at the end of the day, um,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do TV. Don't think I'm not gonna do TV. Right,
Speaker 1: I haven't done TV. But once he sent me the script,
Speaker 1: and I've worked with him before, but once he sent
Speaker 1: me the script, I was just so it. I would
Speaker 1: loved it, and I said, let's rock. When you're coming
Speaker 1: up with the script and scenarios, I think That is
Speaker 1: a good thing because you know, I could look at
Speaker 1: their potential as far as actors, and I could say, well,
Speaker 1: let me give them an emotional scene or let me
Speaker 1: give them and see where they're driving a whole episode.
Speaker 1: Whereas you know, you could get booked on a big
Speaker 1: time show and maybe have two lines. So you spent
Speaker 1: all these years are going to act in school, and
Speaker 1: you're not really getting to use it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean said, you're trying to keep yourself busy to
Speaker 1: find other ways that you can use it, whether be
Speaker 1: theater anything. So I should always see their strong points
Speaker 1: on camera, and I would just okay, let me write
Speaker 1: this scene for them specifically so they can stretch their
Speaker 1: selves and so they can have something for their real um.
Speaker 1: And that helped me become better as a writer as well,
Speaker 1: just to see how but they helped me a lot
Speaker 1: when I hit the beats or whatever, so I can
Speaker 1: understand like, okay, get and get out here, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Seen here, So it's perspective on it.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that how the actor and then the
Speaker 1: director writer kind of had this interwoven relationship feeding off
Speaker 1: of each other. So you look at like Ryan Coogler
Speaker 1: and you look at Michael B. Jordan. They have a
Speaker 1: good relationship because it's like, I know your style. Now
Speaker 1: you know what? Right? It makes sense. So now that
Speaker 1: you said you don't know where things are gonna go,
Speaker 1: tell us where things are going. Do you want to
Speaker 1: give us a little announcement about what's happening with Makeup
Speaker 1: to break Up? Yeah, we got some good news. Um,
Speaker 1: we've I think the deal would bet digital um on
Speaker 1: digital platforms and we are premiere Monday, June UM at
Speaker 1: seven pm. That's what's ups, so you'll check it out. Also,
Speaker 1: my character Gavin has become a recurring character, saying maybe
Speaker 1: maybe not. You got a word for us, um, just
Speaker 1: a creator all the content creators out there. Um, don't
Speaker 1: let nobody tell you what you can't do, and just
Speaker 1: stick with it. You know. I started out doing short
Speaker 1: films first, and on the film festival circuit. UM a
Speaker 1: lot of times. You know, you look for instant gratification.
Speaker 1: You might not get that, but just figure out, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, which your passion is, and which
Speaker 1: you're strong your strong points all and just continue to
Speaker 1: do it, you know, I mean, And then at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, it'll work itself out like I
Speaker 1: started in like two thousand and nine and here we
Speaker 1: are ten years later, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: you can't just get discouraged and just quit. So that's
Speaker 1: the one thing I'll tell everybody and put your money
Speaker 1: investing yourself. So what season are we in? Just in
Speaker 1: case for people are just new to it and don't
Speaker 1: know anything about makeup to break up? Tell them like
Speaker 1: where we are they should be looking at and can
Speaker 1: we still find it? Yeah? Give me all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: Season three. Season three is what's gonna be premier in June.
Speaker 1: You can check out season one and season to BT Digital.
Speaker 1: Just go to the YouTube platform. It's already there. Now
Speaker 1: kill down, Thanks every day. That's dope, all right, y'all.
Speaker 1: This show is dope. Be sure to check it out
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Speaker 1: I'll we have two questions today that we're gonna talk about.
Speaker 1: See if we can give you guys, shed some light,
Speaker 1: give a little you know, tipping advice. How hard is
Speaker 1: it balancing the kids, your private life, like your own
Speaker 1: individual prod X and social media. You'll make it look
Speaker 1: so easy, and I know it can't be. So what's
Speaker 1: the game plan for that type of stuff? Well, you
Speaker 1: hit the nail on the head boot, It's sure easy.
Speaker 1: We don't got shipped together, Okay. Every day is a struggle.
Speaker 1: And I say that because literally every day is something different.
Speaker 1: Like I do have my moments where I envy the
Speaker 1: person that has like the nine to five and the
Speaker 1: consistent our commute in the morning and the hour commute
Speaker 1: at night, because at least you know what the hell
Speaker 1: to expect. With Devil and I, things are liable to
Speaker 1: pop up like right now, Like he can literally get
Speaker 1: a phone call right now and be like, hey, we
Speaker 1: need to fly you down to Atlanta to do X
Speaker 1: Y Z, and I'm like what, and then that completely
Speaker 1: throws a wrench in the plan that we didn't even
Speaker 1: have to begin with. So it's literally having to make
Speaker 1: sure that, of course the children are taken care of,
Speaker 1: so we the village like, yes, this would not happen
Speaker 1: in without those vital key people in our life who
Speaker 1: keep us on track, who love our children as if
Speaker 1: there are their their own children, who are always making
Speaker 1: sure that we're at ease, Like my mom will always
Speaker 1: say to me, I want to make sure that the
Speaker 1: children are so taken care of that you don't have
Speaker 1: to ever worry if you're not with them. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: pray for her several times a day, my Dad several
Speaker 1: times a day, and all of our family who helps out,
Speaker 1: I mean literally brothers, sisters like that really just are
Speaker 1: invested in in our children and in our dreams, like
Speaker 1: they're they're invested in our dreams at this point, and
Speaker 1: we have to, like we have to tell us, tell
Speaker 1: people how blessed we are. Our families literally live five
Speaker 1: blocks away each other, her parents, my parents, and my brother.
Speaker 1: So we have probably about eight to nine people who
Speaker 1: all live in a five block radius. So if we
Speaker 1: have to drop the kids somewhere, we dropped them and
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, you have something to do. Hey Dad,
Speaker 1: can you pick them up from Jay's house? Okay, you
Speaker 1: got something to do that, Brian, can you pick Like
Speaker 1: we really literally a family for us to sit here
Speaker 1: and make it seem like we're super people and we
Speaker 1: handle everything just some of us, it is not that way.
Speaker 1: We have an army behind us who really helps us,
Speaker 1: and then we have extended arts, aunts and uncles who
Speaker 1: live close to us. Parents, friends, yes, and then realistically
Speaker 1: trusting that village that that if something happens, they got
Speaker 1: our kids and each other. We wake up every morning,
Speaker 1: first thing we do leave each other's Okay, what's your
Speaker 1: plan for today? That's where you gotta be every morning,
Speaker 1: every single morn actually every night. We'll do that and
Speaker 1: then I have to do it again in the morning.
Speaker 1: Because I don't be listening to what I'm saying half
Speaker 1: the time, so I have to reiterate what if you
Speaker 1: got them shorts or not? And listen to a thing
Speaker 1: you say, You're so easily distracted when you're ready, You're
Speaker 1: easily you're ready. You are easy distraction. You are very
Speaker 1: easy distraction. Like I'm not even gonna goodness, but yeah,
Speaker 1: we we we don't like the game plan changes every
Speaker 1: day and it literally is like a game time decision.
Speaker 1: A lot of the time. We communicate a lot, like
Speaker 1: we have to. We have a group chat with our
Speaker 1: business manager, with our siblings, with her mom, right, so
Speaker 1: when something comes up, it's like a chain, but everybody
Speaker 1: knows where it was supposed to be and what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. So somebody always has the kids, and we
Speaker 1: always have each other. So we talk to each other like, YO,
Speaker 1: want me to go pick this, I'll go do this,
Speaker 1: I'll go pick that up. You worry about what you
Speaker 1: have to worry about, Oh my goodness. And and like
Speaker 1: last night, for example, Devout had an audition to tape.
Speaker 1: So we're doing the self tape audition at home and
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, let's leave the babies at
Speaker 1: my mom's because even if they're up late, or they
Speaker 1: won't go to sleep or whatever the situation is, at
Speaker 1: least they're not gonna be making noise in the house,
Speaker 1: so we can get your audition tape done. And then
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of writing a keynote speech that
Speaker 1: I have to deliver on Saturday, and Jackson wants to
Speaker 1: stay up and watch the Golden State Warriors games. So
Speaker 1: we're trying to spend some quality time with simultaneously. It's
Speaker 1: just like and then we both look at you and say,
Speaker 1: did you check his homework? Damn? I was like, what
Speaker 1: does that math test? Again? And then he then he
Speaker 1: comes back he said, I got my math test. I said, oh,
Speaker 1: you had it already. What you get? So we're like, Dan,
Speaker 1: we're parenting the ship out of these prepper for that
Speaker 1: one about poor Jackson. But he's great. You know, sometimes
Speaker 1: he's just like mom my, Dad, I missed you guys.
Speaker 1: You know what we're traveling because we've been going through that. Yes,
Speaker 1: they they're tired of us leaving. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: as we start to grow as a business and as
Speaker 1: a brand, we're going to have to make some serious
Speaker 1: life decisions about where we live with our kids, what
Speaker 1: we want to do, and sometimes past like Kadina and
Speaker 1: I oftentimes passed on opportunities if it's not in alignment
Speaker 1: with what the children are doing and it's not going
Speaker 1: to be a detriment to us financially. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, we really don't need to do that.
Speaker 1: Jackson got football practice, Cairo has to do this, we
Speaker 1: got potty training. Cats hasn't seen us in three days.
Speaker 1: He's been with your mom, Like, nah, let's chill and
Speaker 1: spend some time with the boys. So it's also knowing
Speaker 1: when to shut it down a parent, because that's the
Speaker 1: most important job you have on earth, is being a parent.
Speaker 1: Absolutely stuff yep, yep. So there you go in a nutshell.
Speaker 1: That help. If not, we've helped ourselves because now I
Speaker 1: know I got some ship I need to focus on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just trying to figure it out. We try to
Speaker 1: stay a flow girl. Yes, but um okay, here's the
Speaker 1: next listener letter question. Is there was such thing as
Speaker 1: curfew for married couples when hanging out with friends? Should
Speaker 1: his or her spouse come home at a decent hour
Speaker 1: when going out along to hang with his or her friends.
Speaker 1: M hm. I don't think this should be a set
Speaker 1: curfew per se, but a common decency as to when
Speaker 1: you're coming into the house that you share with your
Speaker 1: spouse or your significant other. I mean, at least if
Speaker 1: you're in touch. I think that it's okay to be
Speaker 1: out a little bit late. But I don't. We don't
Speaker 1: ever put a stipulation on time where I'm like, devout,
Speaker 1: You've got to be back before the sun goes down,
Speaker 1: or before the street lights come on, or you know,
Speaker 1: before midnight. We don't. We we personally in our relationship
Speaker 1: don't put those kind of restrictions on each other. But
Speaker 1: we are in constant communication. Though my communication tends to
Speaker 1: be bad sometimes, but I try to communicate and let
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, at least I'm en route
Speaker 1: to come home, or like how long I'll be out
Speaker 1: more or less. You know. It's funny. I'm really trying
Speaker 1: to sit and think about a time where we ever
Speaker 1: actually put a curfew, and I think, because we were
Speaker 1: dating so young and we're from New York, things are
Speaker 1: open until four am, it never seemed odd to be
Speaker 1: out out late. It's very true, very true, you know,
Speaker 1: and so, to be honest, nor is a leniency there
Speaker 1: with us, just because of the culture around like New
Speaker 1: York nightlife. New York night life is is very different.
Speaker 1: You know, you're out late, and to be honest, you're
Speaker 1: not getting to the club until like midnight, you know,
Speaker 1: three before twelve, So you get there, you know, and
Speaker 1: then you're in the club from twelve, Then the party
Speaker 1: don't really start jump into and then by the time
Speaker 1: you're done, and then you may go get something to
Speaker 1: eat after and you know, you're rolling around three thirty.
Speaker 1: So it's not uncommon for us, because you think about it,
Speaker 1: you've been gone a total of maybe three hours. And
Speaker 1: I think I think that's more of a thing than
Speaker 1: anything else. Like we try to find time for each other,
Speaker 1: and in these busy, this busy lifestyle, we very really
Speaker 1: have time for each other. So there are times it's like,
Speaker 1: you're going out with your friends, can you at least
Speaker 1: be home in time so that we can spend some time.
Speaker 1: And that's that's not his thing or her thing. It's
Speaker 1: just all right, you're gonna spend time with your friends.
Speaker 1: I get it. But if we were supposed to spend
Speaker 1: time today, can you at least find time from right
Speaker 1: And it's just so hard right now when I think
Speaker 1: about it, because you know, the small group of solid
Speaker 1: friends that I have, they're so amazing and they're so
Speaker 1: understanding and they get it, and they all have their
Speaker 1: own lives too, and they're juggling a bunch of things.
Speaker 1: And that's the beauty and my friendships that I have, UM,
Speaker 1: is that they're able to know, like, Okay, Codeine is busy,
Speaker 1: I am busy. There's no love loss if we can't
Speaker 1: see each other all the time or talk all the time,
Speaker 1: or if I take a while to get back to
Speaker 1: you via text, it's because I could barely text my
Speaker 1: husband back. You know. Things are yeah, because things are
Speaker 1: just crazy and I'm trying to do a thousand things
Speaker 1: at one time. Um. But the communication helps, you know,
Speaker 1: when you can let the person know that you know
Speaker 1: what I wanted. You know, I miss you and I
Speaker 1: want to see you and be home in at decent times.
Speaker 1: This is what I wanted. Someone asked that question, which
Speaker 1: means in our mind we only exist in our relationship.
Speaker 1: It seems odd for someone to ask for a curfew.
Speaker 1: So for me, it just kind of was like, do
Speaker 1: do married people really put curfews on each other because
Speaker 1: when I think of curfew, I think about a mom
Speaker 1: or dad putting a curfew on a child, whereas you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be no, no, not not we of course with
Speaker 1: with adults, you're definitely gonna get pushed back. But for me,
Speaker 1: it's like you put curfews on a child so that
Speaker 1: you can avoid them being out during a time when
Speaker 1: you know only bad things can happen, or you put
Speaker 1: a curfew on a child to where it's like I
Speaker 1: want to go to sleep, and I'm not going to
Speaker 1: sleep until you're in the house, so you need to
Speaker 1: be soundly until I know you're in this house and
Speaker 1: you're safe. So I kind of want to pose this
Speaker 1: question because I'm interested in knowing, you know, do other
Speaker 1: couples put curfews on their marriage. Not that it's a
Speaker 1: bad thing, but I want to know, you know, what's
Speaker 1: the premise behind it and what's the reasoning behind it,
Speaker 1: because I'm like it really when I was sitting here
Speaker 1: thinking when you were talking about why would someone put
Speaker 1: a curfew on their spouse? And I want to know
Speaker 1: because I'm has like a negative connotation you think about
Speaker 1: it even if you're say, you know, you're in trouble
Speaker 1: with the law and they put a curfew you can't
Speaker 1: be out past a certain time or something, or it's oppressive.
Speaker 1: It makes you feel like why are you trying to
Speaker 1: keep me in the box? And I have to be
Speaker 1: home at a certain time. So yeah, that's interesting to
Speaker 1: hit me in me and my DM send an email
Speaker 1: to dead ass Advice at gmail dot com and let
Speaker 1: us know what you're throw perfect. I really want to
Speaker 1: know because this could be a topic for podcasts, because
Speaker 1: that really made me wonder, like thing people really put curfews,
Speaker 1: like oppressions within relationships or something like that, or a
Speaker 1: ways people feel oppressed in some relationships are oppressive. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you even the idea of marriage and where it
Speaker 1: started from was very oppressive. You know, women were considered property, right,
Speaker 1: that's the only reason why marriage started. Women were considered property.
Speaker 1: So the idea of oppressive relationships, we're not that far
Speaker 1: removed from women being oppressed in this country where we
Speaker 1: can't acknowledge that there are still oppressive relationships. But I'm
Speaker 1: interested in knowing, you know, like what's you know, what's
Speaker 1: the mindset behind it? I'm interested and so yeah, definitely.
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