WEBVTT - Old Clubs, New Courses, & Stephen Curry’s Future in Golf 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.800 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.920 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:05.880 And when I find my. 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:08.960 Ball in a fried egg Friday egg, the dreaded Frida egg, 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.040 Friday Frida Egg, Brian Egg, fridagg Bride egg Lie. 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:14.080 I'm about ready to run off of the hump course. 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:41.240 Welcome back to the Friday Golf Podcast. I am your host, 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:43.880 Andy Johnson, and today I am. 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:45.600 Joined by Henry Shimp. 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:49.640 Henry is one of the co founders of the Tie Podcast, 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:55.280 a podcast that talks about golf, specifically competition and golf 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.320 course architecture, as well as he talks a lot about 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:02.400 food too. He's a He's a big foodie. Henry was 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:06.679 on the Stanford men's golf team. He was a co 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.480 captain on the twenty nineteen twenty twenty team, and he 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:14.600 was on the five man Stanford team that won the 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:20.040 twenty nineteen NCAA National Championship. So Henry's quite the player. 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:27.200 I apologize I lost my voice. I don't know if 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.399 I have a cold or not, but I've been I've 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:32.120 been voiceless for a couple of days. 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:32.520 Now. 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:37.120 I want to get this episode done apologies for the voice. 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:43.880 It definitely sounded better, I hope. Anyways, Henry played in 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:47.840 our event last week at Brambles. We hosted an event, 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:51.840 well the Brambles hosted the event, but it was a 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:56.880 event where we had teams from Tree Farm, Brambles, Friday 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:02.320 Golf Club and the and we competed in a match 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:07.440 play event using equipment that was made before two thousand 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:12.920 and four. So Henry I found a very interesting discussion 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.280 with Henry as he is somebody who had never played 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:19.360 the equipment that he played in the event, and is 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.560 a player that is a I would say an elite 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:27.239 am still at this stage, but you know, someone who 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:31.840 competed against and had the game to play in a 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:35.480 national championship at Stanford. So he's competed against some of 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:39.160 the best players in the world and still can really 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:41.000 get it around. So I thought it would be an 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:45.640 interesting conversation to talk about playing really for the first 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:49.840 time with significantly less forgiving equipment than he has played 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.960 his entire life, and the things that he noticed from that. 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.000 On top of that, we get into a couple other 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:03.079 topics that he had some thoughts. So before we get 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.920 to Henry, let's take a quick moment to talk about 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:10.079 our friends over at Repsodo and their MLM two Pro, 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:16.320 a launch monitor and simulator that's seriously impressive. This is 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:19.000 a great product. It is one of the things I 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:23.200 love about it is just its cost. 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So head 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:53.080 to rapsodo dot com, use that promo code Frida Egg 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.279 and check out the MLM two pro to play more 0:04:56.320 --> 0:05:06.400 golf this winter. All right, let's get to Henry shim 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:10.719 All right, Henry shimp I, guess founder, co founder the 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:15.480 Taie Podcast, a fellow takesman of golf Internet. 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.400 It's a pleasure to have you on. It was a pleasure. 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.880 I spent this week or last week with you. 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:25.800 At Brambles for our event, and I thought it'd be 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:29.160 fun to just check golf for a little bit. We 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:34.279 played an event called the Vintage, which was fun. It 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.720 was like an expansion of an event we had last 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:41.080 year where we did a hickory match. This year it 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:45.320 was pre two thousand and four equipment and we had 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.960 four clubs and we played a match and you competed. 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:55.000 You played golf at Stanford and you were playing equipment. 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.599 You're dating, you know, I'm dating myself. I played this 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.200 equipment when I was in high scho cool. You had 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:06.120 never played this equipment, this type of equipment, smaller heads, 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:11.160 a little bit, smaller sweet spots. I would love, you know. 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.560 I thought this was fascinating. We played our first match 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:19.560 against each other. The idea of somebody playing equipment that 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.720 they had never played before in a match. What what 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.320 was it? What were your grant takeaways of playing the 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:27.920 equipment you played? You had a nine to seventy five 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:34.160 j driver and then you had some some seventies played irons, 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.200 which which seemed like they were a struggle. 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:38.839 Yeah, that's correct. For first of all, Andy, I appreciate 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:40.800 you having me on. It's fun being together last week 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:44.000 and fun to break it down now. And yeah, so 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:49.040 the the equipment definitely quite a bit older than I was. 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:53.360 The driver actually was from a I guess a teammate. 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.960 You know, we were each representing clubs there. I rolled 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:02.320 in with a putter, a sand wedge that I swear 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:05.200 this sand wedge was six inches shorter than a standard 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:06.640 sand wedge. I had to like get on my knees 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:10.160 to hit with this thing. A pitching wedge through two iron. 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:12.400 The two iron like you know people use the term 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.520 butter knife. I mean genuinely, the ball was six times 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.120 larger than the head of this two iron. And then 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.520 I originally had this it was like a per Simin 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.680 sort of situation. And I got out there and looked 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:25.360 at this thing, and I was like, I actually don't 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.240 know if I'm gonna have a club that I think 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.600 might go halfway straight that flies over two hundred yards. 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.440 And so fortunately that nine to seventy five j came in, 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.600 which was really that was not that difficult to hit. 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.160 I mean, certainly if you miss it, it's you're gonna 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.000 lose some yards and it goes a bit offline, but 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.800 it's not nearly like a Percimon where the ball might 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.440 just go backwards if you don't hit the center of 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.920 the club face. You know, one thing that comes to mind, 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.440 I had a fleeting thought midway through the first round. 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.640 I hit an iron shot that was, you know, not 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.520 the greatest, and I was like, man, I wonder what 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.920 the I wonder what the li ankle is on these things. 0:07:58.000 --> 0:07:59.840 And I was just like, you know, sometimes ignorance is 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.480 and things that are in your mind are going to 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:05.800 hurt you more, so I decided to just throw that away. 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.640 But yeah, it was. It was quite an interesting experience, 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:13.040 but a ton of fun. I think Friday Golf Club, Well, 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.280 he got the match, and I'll get it on the 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.400 record now because you know, I'd rather say it myself 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:21.720 than you. You, you know, with your partner getting some 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.960 some generous help from the pencil. Let's say, you guys 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.800 did in fact take the match, so I'll give you 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:32.040 the nod there. Uh, but you know, you guys picked 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:33.240 a great golf course to do it on. 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:37.319 So you guys, you guys were you guys were talking 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:41.200 about your visit at the Oval office, getting your with 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:45.359 your your national championship rings from your years at Stanford, 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.040 while while my partner was collecting as his dots and 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.600 exactly destroying it, destroying it with six foot bar putts 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:53.679 for verdie. 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.120 Which I have to say those. I mean, you know, 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.360 there's kind of a way that people are supposed to 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:01.480 look based on what they're handicap is over a six 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:03.880 foot or to win a to win a hole, and 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.280 I feel as if a five, a four or five handicap, 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.560 you're supposed to see a couple of dicey strokes, and 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:14.600 I mean your boy Kevin like dead center every single 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:16.600 he looked like John Rahm with a putt to win 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.000 each of those holes. So it really had me questioning 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:22.360 the stroke situation. But it's water under the bridge. It 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.679 was a fun match, and uh, and here we are. 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.440 Well, I got to say after you left, I had 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.559 I had a group of my college friends come play 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.800 and we played, and I was I was dolling out 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:42.400 a shot a hole and it was excruciating A shot 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:45.880 a hole like it. It is so hard even against 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:49.520 like they, you know, they just managed to make you know, 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:52.360 like you're just always having to make better than par 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:56.800 to win a hole like and oftentimes you're making birdies 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:00.120 to have like that. That is an exhausting format. When 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.040 you're giving up so many dots, you know, you're when 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:06.200 you're double dotting a lot of holes. That was that 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:07.040 was challenging. 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.640 What is the worst number of strokes? Let's say that 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.319 it's between one and eighteen. What's the worst number of 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:15.520 strokes to give up? I have you know that? You said, 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:19.280 fellow take Smith takes mean I have a take here. 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.120 What do you think the worst number is to give up. 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.360 I mean, like eighteen is bad. I do feel like 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:28.319 it depends what type of match. 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:29.000 It is, right. 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:33.280 I do think like if you play a singles match 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:38.839 against a high handicap, I feel like you are immediately 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:44.080 as a lower handicap, you are immediately going to just 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.160 there's a real chance that they are just going to 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:51.320 be completely overwhelmed by the moment and it's over before 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.080 you even Like, as long as you hit a really 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.000 good T shot off of one, it's over, Like you 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:01.200 can end the match on the first T. I would 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.120 I would say that I think like eight is a 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.920 dangerous spot because that means that the player is like 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:08.800 pretty good. 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:11.560 So yeah, that's where I'm at. I think it's like, 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.960 let's call it, you know, ten with plus or minus 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:18.680 two basically because what I where I go there is 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:20.520 it because I agree with you there on the someone 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:22.439 might be overwhelmed by the moment, you know, if it's 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.199 one or two or three, it's like you're just kind 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:27.280 of not that far apart. But what I don't like 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.000 coming at it from the other side, if you were 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.440 the person that's giving the strokes, which I think you 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:35.080 and I are probably in that situation more often than not. 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:38.840 I don't like not knowing where the strokes are coming, 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.000 because I'm not one that's really like looking at the 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:43.640 card and all that stuff. And you know, typically you 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.240 also find cagy competitors. I will say your partner was 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:46.960 one of them. 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:50.280 They'll cut they'll kind of just drag them through the 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:50.800 mud here. 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.360 They'll let you know when they have, like you know, 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.720 when you have a ten footer for birdie and they 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.199 have twenty feet for par they're like, oh, by the way, 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.400 I'm popping here, and you're like, you gotta be kidding me. 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:03.640 So what you're telling me is now I don't even 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:05.760 have a putt to win this thing. And so I 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.520 like that if it's like two, you know, it just 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:10.640 comes in a couple times. If it's eighteen, you just 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:12.439 know where you're at. You're just giving a shot every 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.959 single time. But it's when you're like, oh god, now 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.080 I have to give one. Oh now we're square. I 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:19.920 don't like the uncertainty of win or the strokes coming. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:21.800 So anyway, we're going to talk the whole time here 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.160 about dotting cards. 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:29.240 Well, I mean the other thing about this and match play. 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.240 I think this is like a misnumber I think match 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:37.320 play should be played at like sixty percent handicaps and 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.000 this and now high handicappers are going to come at 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:44.840 me and say, this is just low handicap, you know, professing. 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.760 But what makes a low handicap a low handicap is 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:53.040 they don't make big numbers. What makes a high handicap 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:57.360 a high handicap is that you make triples and quads 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:02.720 in tens, and those things just destroy your rounds, destroy, 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:08.240 just like mass destruction in stroke play and in match play. 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:09.640 That only counts for one. 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.120 One of the takes that I've had on handicapping. And 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.960 tell me if you feel differently here, but if you 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:19.040 play with someone who, let's say you're giving fewer than 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.760 about six strokes, something that I've come to realize over 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.640 the years is that what the handicapping is doing there. 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:27.240 I've always had this take, you know, you say sixty 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.640 percent of handicap. I've always had this take that there 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:31.760 should be a bunch of half shots given rather than 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:33.840 full shots, which I know is kind of ticky tacky, 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.320 and it doesn't really work within the way the game is. 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:40.040 But if I'm playing someone who is up a two 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.680 or three handicap and they're not getting a ton of shots, 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.320 but they are getting some. Basically what those call it 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.200 five six however many shots are going to do is 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:51.400 say you're that person's supposed to win certain holes, and 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.880 then I'm supposed to win certain holes because handicapping is 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.240 a bit convoluted where it has so much to do 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.000 with the yardage. So they happen to get them on 0:13:58.040 --> 0:13:59.719 par fives, and then they don't get them on two 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.720 four par threes. And so what happens there is someone 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:04.760 who's you know, a two or three, They're going to 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:06.240 be in the hole for the most part on a 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.440 par five, and all of a sudden, they're hitting the 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.040 equivalent shot that I'm hitting from two to seventy from 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.480 seventy yards. They're just supposed to get that hole. But 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:16.719 then the script flips when we go into a long 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.160 par three and we're both inting a three iron and 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.960 they're not getting a stroke. And so realistically, when they're 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.120 only a small number of shots given, it feels like, hey, 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.240 I just need to get those like hard par threes. 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:28.800 They need to get those par fives, and then the 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.920 match kind of washes in between. But it does feel 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.080 like tight, like if it's sub five. It would honestly 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.560 be a lot more fun to just give a half 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:39.920 shot on like every other hole or something like that. 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:45.920 Yeah, I can see that. I do like I like 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:49.400 small spreads. I feel good if I'm giving two or 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:53.840 three shots, Like I feel like there's so much pressure 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:59.400 on the person that if you're giving two or three shots. 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.600 And I didn't anticipate talking about this for this length, 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:07.280 but I feel like when you only get a couple pops, 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.880 the gravity of the pop holes then often make them 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.040 crumble on the popoles correct, if that makes sense. 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.800 They know they have to be de Yeah, it's like 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:19.600 a huge deal. 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.440 And if you if you happen to sneak out and 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:26.880 win one of the pop holes, it is like extra devastating. 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.040 It counts as two holes. 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:33.640 Almost psychologically, where they're like, I can't believe I just 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.800 lost the hole that happened with me in one of 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.560 our matches, the singles match, was I won two of 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.560 the five pop poles and or maybe three of the 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:47.760 five popoles. And when you do that, it's just like, 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.920 well like I don't know if I could beat I 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.080 can win you know, five or six of the non 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.640 stroke hooles against somebody you know. 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:57.720 I don't know. 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:01.320 The matchplay psychology though, is like what makes the game 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:06.320 special so much so and why there should be like 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:10.560 way more match play in golf. Uh with Let's get 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.520 back to the equipment. This is what I wanted to 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:17.960 talk about. You you obviously you played at Stanford, you played, 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.280 You've played in multiple usams, You've made match play at 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.320 the US AM. 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.560 You know, you've played a very high level of golf. 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:32.479 What do you feel like when you were playing, particularly 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:38.320 the Irons, How was your mindset different with this older 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:41.680 equipment than the equipment that you've played the rest of 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:42.440 your whole life. 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:48.320 Have you heard the term chaffua before for short game? Yeah, 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.680 I feel like schaffua soft hands been an FU attitude 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.920 applies to like, especially when you talk about like really 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:01.320 legitimate golfers, actually legitimate golfers, Rory macelroy, guys like that. 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:03.840 It applies to every part of the game. I mean, 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:05.719 I think about, you know, some of the best shots 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.000 that I've ever witnessed on TV or non TV, but 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:12.200 like you know, Rory shot on fifteen or AUGUSTA this year, 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:16.359 obviously that comes to mind. You know, DJ's drive on 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:20.040 the eighteenth and the twenty sixteen us open to me 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:24.000 and at a much much, much lesser level. Kind of 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.000 feel like I can relate to that in terms of 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:29.800 how I've thought about different shots I've had, Like there 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.960 is that just like Okay, I'm I'm going to take 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:36.399 that f you mentality, stare down the flag and just swing, 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.920 because I feel that anyone who's really a single digit 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:43.399 or better sort of golfer, it's amazing with where equipment 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:47.480 has gone that contact take away, like a soft handed 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.399 pitch shot where you're thinking about hitting a spinner or 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.960 a lie out of the rough. Contact is not a 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.720 variable in the game of golf anymore. No, Like I 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.240 think if you asked Rory McElroy how many times out 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.040 of the fairway with a seven iron in his hand 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.080 in the last ten years, has he actually thought about contact, 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.480 I feel pretty confident in saying he would say, it's 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.320 just not something I'm thinking about at all, unless it's 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:09.719 in a divid or hitting a backfoot drat. I don't know, 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:13.000 but I just do not think people consider contact. Whereas 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:17.000 you take an iron from the sixties that you know 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.160 has a li angle that who knows what we're looking 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:22.480 at here, and you just simply can't say, you know what, 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.520 I'm just going to turn the shoulders extra hard here 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.679 because I'm a little bit nervous, and the way to 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.080 handle nerves is to just be an athlete and actually 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.359 be even more aggressive and swing harder at the ball. 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.440 It's like, it's quite the opposite. Your mind really does 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:38.639 first go to contact and just making a good clean 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.320 move at it and trying to hit the ball out 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:45.800 of the center because everything is just multiplied so massively. 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:50.320 Where with a modern seven iron for a scratch golfer, 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:53.000 let's say, you know, if they hit a not a 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.199 terrible shot, but like a bottom coure tile shot somewhere 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.200 in there, you know, instead of landing the ball within 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:01.639 twenty feet of the whole, they probably land it within 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.760 fifty or sixty feet of the hole. Whereas with this 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.040 old equipment, I mean, you can miss it by not 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:09.880 all that much, and all of a sudden, like one 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:15.840 seventy eight can become one p fifty two. And you know, Brambles, 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:18.520 the course that we played was very generous to this, 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:20.359 and that not that it's not a difficult golf course 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:23.040 for it, because around the greens and sort of getting 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.600 your ball to stop near the hole was certainly a difficulty, 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.480 but there weren't all that many penalty shots to be taken. 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.440 I mean, imagine going out to a golf course where 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.440 there are a lot of forced carries, you're hitting over water, 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:36.840 they're creaks, there's o b all over the place. Then 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.800 all of a sudden it's just magnified by God knows 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.680 how much, because then you're just taking penalty shots left 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:45.720 and right. So I think from a psychological standpoint, that's 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.120 the biggest thing I'd call out is rather than like 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:52.880 being more athletic, being more aggressive anytime you're extra nervous 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:54.919 or have you know, a longer shot in hand, whatever 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.960 the case may be, it certainly goes the opposite way 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:00.479 where you just focus on being smooth trying to make 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:04.080 a contact. And you know, people people talk about the 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:06.800 values of swinging a person and driver or something like 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:09.399 that here and there, and when you do it, you 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.399 understand what that means. When when your mind goes back 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:14.640 to just the let's make a clean move and try 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:15.919 to hit the center of the face. 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:20.680 I just I notice it, like when you're looking down. 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:26.080 At the club, you your mentality with a modern driver, 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:31.439 it's just like I'm gonna move my body in a 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:37.520 manner to create the most explosion, and with it, with 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:41.199 the smaller head, it starts to become like I'm going 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:44.679 to move my body to ensure that I have the 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:46.760 best chance to hit the center of the club face. 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:52.320 And those are two very different thoughts, and there's like 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:57.880 way more care. Ironically, I think swinging the smaller, smaller 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:02.240 headed clubs with some regularity, even if it's like once 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.720 every couple months, dramatically helps the other one. 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:10.240 But what I've what I've seen and I think you 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:11.120 hit on this. 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:17.760 Is that what with the modern clubs now, it doesn't 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:22.080 feel like you miss distance wise, it's never been easier 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:26.439 to hit the same distance because that sweet spot's just 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:31.600 gotten so big and the the the off center hits 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.320 have gotten so for the forgiveness is just through the 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:38.280 roofs where where it's never been easier to hit shots 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:41.320 pin high, and it's never been easier to hit drives 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:44.600 like a similar distance no matter where you hit it 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:49.440 on the face. But when you introduce like older equipment, 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:53.280 what it does is that forgiveness goes away and all 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:57.960 of a sudden, like you have distance variability, which I 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:01.400 mean that's how you get really far away from targets 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:05.320 because you might miss. You know what you said, it 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:08.440 might be fifty feet if you're but you're fifty feet 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:13.080 pin high right as opposed to fifty feet right and 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:17.960 fifteen yards short. You know, like that that compounding effect. 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:20.639 And I think you something you said it was like 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:22.880 very illuminating, like in. 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:23.400 A way. 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:30.639 The best test of solid contact and the sport that 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:32.120