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Speaker 1: Well, hey Angel fans, and welcome back to Halo territory.

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Speaker 1: I'm Mike dgi Havanna, former Elli Times Baseball writer, joined

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Speaker 1: by my regular co host Mark Trumbo, the former Angel slugger,

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Speaker 1: and we're honored to have a special guest today, Tyler

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Speaker 1: Kettner of The Athletic whom I covered the Angels with many, many, many,

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Speaker 1: many many moons ago. Tyler, how you doing, Oh?

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Speaker 2: Really good? Good to see you. Mark was back in

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Speaker 2: ninety seven, ninety eight. We were on that.

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Speaker 1: Post together, very fun times, the days of Terry Collins

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Speaker 1: and all sorts of other craziness. So we're gonna discuss

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Speaker 1: a bunch of things today. We got Jose Soriano's dominant

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Speaker 1: start against the Braves Monday night, we have a nice

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Speaker 1: little interview with Chase Silseth. But first we're going to

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Speaker 1: revisit Joe Adell's remarkable game on Saturday night, when he

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Speaker 1: robbed three home runs and a one nothing win over Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Tyler Kepner wrote a great story for The Athletic Ran

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Speaker 1: on their website today being Tuesday, about the iconic photo

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Speaker 1: taken by a fan after Adele's third home run robbery.

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Speaker 1: A spectacular diving catch into the seats near the right

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Speaker 1: field foul pole. And just in case you haven't seen

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Speaker 1: this picture here it is a really beautiful picture and

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Speaker 1: it went viral on social media pretty quickly. And in

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Speaker 1: Tyler's story, this is sort of the description he wrote

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Speaker 1: of the picture. Adele, the right fielder for the La

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Speaker 1: Angels fans among the crowd and section one thirty four

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Speaker 1: at Angel Stadium, is left arm thrusting his glove to

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Speaker 1: the sky in triumph. Adele had just stolen a home run,

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Speaker 1: tumbling over the waist high wall near the right field

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Speaker 1: foul pole, which frames the left side of the photo.

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Speaker 1: The lights of the pack ballpark glimmer over him like

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Speaker 1: a halo. There is no visual clutter, no ads, no scoreboard.

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Speaker 1: It's mostly just solid colors, adoring fans and an athlete

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Speaker 1: who had just say the game and wanted everyone to

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Speaker 1: know about it. It is so wholesome it could be

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Speaker 1: a rock.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, it's some great Tyler, great writing Tyler,

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Speaker 1: But the story doesn't end there. Tyler's actually spoke to

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Speaker 1: the fan who took this picture, a woman named Kaylee Krausse,

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Speaker 1: a mother of five from Victorville. First, Tyler, what prompt

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Speaker 1: did you even pursue a story like this? And how

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Speaker 1: does one go about tracking down a fan for this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, the modern world of social media, right,

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Speaker 2: Like I just reached out to her on Instagram and

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Speaker 2: luckily she said you could call me, you know, when

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Speaker 2: she gets off of work, and we had a great,

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Speaker 2: great conversation before she had to take her a little

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Speaker 2: boy to a baseball game. So she's just a huge

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Speaker 2: Angels fan and that's really it was really kind of

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Speaker 2: cool to talk to her and talk to someone like

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Speaker 2: that because, you know, sort of nationally we see how

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Speaker 2: the Angels have had the string of tough seasons, and

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Speaker 2: there's always a lot of that stuff, I guess in

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Speaker 2: the news. But she is a pure Angels fan, like

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Speaker 2: a diehard Angels fan, believes in the team, believes in

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Speaker 2: the direction, loves going to Angel Stadium, and just their

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Speaker 2: favorite thing to do as a family is to go

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Speaker 2: to the ballpark. And that was a night where they

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Speaker 2: sat down in that section just for a chance to

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Speaker 2: get a ball, and when Adele made that catch, everything

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Speaker 2: aligned even to the point where, like, you know, there's,

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Speaker 2: like I said, in that image, there's nothing really beside

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Speaker 2: the player and the field and his in what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: And you don't get I mean, you never see a

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Speaker 2: player in the stands like that. And it's not even

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Speaker 2: like the fans are on the side of them, but

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Speaker 2: they're not like in front of the camera or anything.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of like just him with a couple of

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Speaker 2: fans on either side. It's not no netting. You know,

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Speaker 2: the netting's on the other side of the foulpol So

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Speaker 2: it's like all these things that could come into play

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Speaker 2: to obscure, to get in the way of a great photo,

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Speaker 2: they're not there, and it's just this pure moment and

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Speaker 2: a fan just you know. She she she's like, I'm

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Speaker 2: used to taking my phone out in critical situations because

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Speaker 2: I got you know, kids who play sports and you

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Speaker 2: always want to get there, get their goal or they shot.

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Speaker 2: She was on it. It was everything lined up, perplet

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Speaker 2: And you could be a professional photographer and your whole life,

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Speaker 2: you know, your whole career, you could never get everything

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Speaker 2: to line up just right like that, right time, right place,

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Speaker 2: right framing everything.

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Speaker 4: Well, she absolutely did the moment justice that you know,

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Speaker 4: we've talked about all three of those plays. But the

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Speaker 4: last one, in particular was just exceptional and single handedly,

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Speaker 4: uh played a huge role in the Angels winning that

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Speaker 4: ball game. Three pitchers were saved runs and that last

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Speaker 4: one just iconic.

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Speaker 2: UH.

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Speaker 4: And she seems to be, you know, right place, right time.

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Speaker 4: You already described kind of the question I was going

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Speaker 4: to ask how she was able to you know, I've

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Speaker 4: stand the real time playback, and she it's seem like

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Speaker 4: the first thing that came to her mind was to

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Speaker 4: grab her phone and kind of on the spot, and

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Speaker 4: you know, fortunately she did. I had had it been

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Speaker 4: a second or two later, who knows, you know, probably

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Speaker 4: obscured right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's anything could have gotten in the way, but

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Speaker 2: just nobody was sitting right there in front of her.

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Speaker 2: There's a little landing spot, I guess, which I was

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Speaker 2: not aware of out there. Mark, I'm sure you've played

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Speaker 2: the corners out there. What is There's not many ballparks

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Speaker 2: where you have a wall that low. I mean Fenway,

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Speaker 2: I guess Yankee Stadium, not Yanke saying Fenway Dodger Stadium.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if any others, But what is it

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Speaker 2: like when you approach that wall, like knowing that you

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Speaker 2: you might dive in there. Did you ever dive into

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Speaker 2: the stands like that? In an huh, No, you wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 4: I did try and talk about it. I don't know

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Speaker 4: what I would have done. I don't have you know,

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Speaker 4: it wouldn't have been pretty. I would have I would

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Speaker 4: have had to make You have to make an effort

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Speaker 4: there now is if you just you know, if you

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Speaker 4: run pull up and the thing was every I mean

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Speaker 4: I have gone over the railing playing infield though Okay,

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it was definitely the minor leagues,

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Speaker 4: and it's one of those things that's not that's not

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Speaker 4: thinking about anything, to be honest, it's happening so quick

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Speaker 4: that you were tracking the ball and your goal is

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Speaker 4: to catch it. And sometimes like the first two plays,

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Speaker 4: he was able to get back in time to kind

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Speaker 4: of time those jumps. This one, it was all out.

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Speaker 4: Whatever happens happens, but you know that port in the game,

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Speaker 4: you got to go, and he did and fortunately not

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Speaker 4: only did he catch it, she got the picture. He

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Speaker 4: was also physically totally fine. It's going to be a

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Speaker 4: I mean it's just, honestly in its own an excellent,

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Speaker 4: excellent sports photography piece.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Really the kind of thing we should be seeing in

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Speaker 2: Anaheims Stadium and and Angel Stadium for years. I mean

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Speaker 2: you could roll that up in a big, big poster.

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Speaker 2: I mean you should be able to sign that. I

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Speaker 2: think Tops talk to her about maybe putting it on

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Speaker 2: a card or something. It's a it's just really cool.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the you know, it's for an early

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Speaker 2: April moment, you know, it just that's what baseball can do.

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Speaker 2: Man Like, at any moment, baseball can come up and

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Speaker 2: give you this, this moment you'll remember forever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you compared in your story to the great was

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Speaker 1: it Muhammad Ali or a Sunny Listed picture, which, yeah,

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Speaker 1: one of the most iconic photos ever. You mentioned Tops

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Speaker 1: had contacted Kaylee about Kaylee about using this picture. It's

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Speaker 1: such a great picture. Is there can she profit off

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Speaker 1: this in anyway? Can she?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 2: Is there something I can imagine an iPhone commercial, you know,

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Speaker 2: like where they use the play and they talk about

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Speaker 2: you know, with your iPhone, anybody can take a picture

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Speaker 2: like this, you know, it's one of the greatest sports

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Speaker 2: pictures you'll ever see. And she didn't even filter or anything.

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Speaker 2: She just you know, on your iPhone. I mean I

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Speaker 2: told her that I was texted like she did an iPhone,

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Speaker 2: you know, track with this, and I'd love that.

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Speaker 1: But then when my grandkids are doing something funny, it

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Speaker 1: takes me at least a minute to figure out what

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Speaker 1: I'm even doing. So yeah, amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Angels, you know, it was kind of

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Speaker 2: a symbios because the Angels like put out, hey, fans,

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Speaker 2: you know, send us your best pictures. So that's why

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Speaker 2: she put it on social media, and she says she

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Speaker 2: really wanted Joe Adell and his wife to see it.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they've seen it by now. But Mike Trout

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Speaker 2: responded to one of the Angels tweets of a picture

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Speaker 2: Big Trout fans that they are so just a neat,

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Speaker 2: neat little story all the way around, you know, and

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Speaker 2: fans can relate to that because you know, we've all

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Speaker 2: been in the stands and and you know, had maybe

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Speaker 2: had an encounter, but never one like that.

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Speaker 1: When did when and how did she realize the picture

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Speaker 2: She you know, posted around midnight. I guess I went

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Speaker 2: and then her husband woke up like six in the

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Speaker 2: morning and he's like, oh my god, your pictures everywhere.

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Speaker 2: She's like wait, what what you just wake up you know,

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Speaker 2: really realize the life that it would take gone. She snapped,

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Speaker 2: it's just I guess it's just cool because of all

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Speaker 2: the factors that. First of all, just like I said,

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Speaker 2: how beautiful it's framed, but just the oddity of having

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Speaker 2: a player standing in the stands untouched like that can't

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Speaker 2: but the third one in the ninth inning and one

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Speaker 2: it's pretty neat all.

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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back to Halo territory. Mike d Giovanno with

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Speaker 1: Mark Trumbo and Tyler Kettner of The Athletic, and I

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Speaker 4: I do I'm wondering as someone you covered the Seattle

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Speaker 2: Yeah, end of ninety eight and then all of ninety nine,

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Speaker 1: The Mariners. It's been years since the Maritors and Angels

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Speaker 3: I still see Greedy a lot, you know, he'll roll

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but and that, you know, ninety five the biggest

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Speaker 1: All right, We're going to turn our attention to Jose Soriano,

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Speaker 1: He has a really hard sinker. He's got the highest

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Speaker 1: I'd pay for it. I'd pay for it. It's a

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Speaker 1: Mark Trumbo, is he starting to follow that trajectory in

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Speaker 2: I have been on the Soriano train since last June.

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Speaker 2: All I know is what I've seen, and what I've

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Speaker 4: We're talking about potential I mean what he clearcut ace

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Speaker 1: Comes July, also a two time rule five pick. As

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Speaker 1: I recall, Yeah, we were kicking around that idea on

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Speaker 1: the bench after all these crazy contracts for guys with

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Speaker 1: no service time. Is there anyone in the Angels minor

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Speaker 1: league system who you would even like think about giving

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Speaker 1: that contract a contract of multiple years too, before they

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Speaker 1: reach the big leagues. We couldn't think anyone. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: when you think about the young guys, zach Net it

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Speaker 1: was the first, but Jose Sriano, that's an interesting case, Mark,

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Speaker 1: because of that injury history, a guy like him, I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, for a young guy to do that, I know,

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Speaker 1: talking to Scott Boris all these years, even though the

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Speaker 1: Seattle guy was one of his the shortstop is his client.

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Speaker 1: He usually doesn't like to do those contracts. He likes

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Speaker 1: his guys to get the free agency. But with a

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Speaker 1: guy with Jose's injury history, to get that long term

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Speaker 1: security of a contract like that, yeah, I would think

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Speaker 1: the Angels would probably do well to at least approach

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Speaker 1: his agent about something like that as soon as possible.

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Speaker 1: And what Weiss called him one of the best kept

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Speaker 1: secrets in the game. How long is he going to

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Speaker 1: remain a secret tyler?

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Speaker 2: Not too much longer if he keeps doing this, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think Mark's right. It looks like he's on a

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Speaker 2: very early track. But you know for the All Star

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Speaker 2: Game there in field in July, and that's when you

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Speaker 2: can start to really raise his his his profile a

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Speaker 2: little bit. But he was obviously the Angels Pitcher of

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Speaker 2: the Year last year, and you know, the two time

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Speaker 2: Tommy John thing is interesting and it makes me wonder

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Speaker 2: if he has more incentive to you know, sign a

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Speaker 2: long term deal than the team does. I mean, team

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Speaker 2: can go to year to year. They've got him under

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Speaker 2: control for a while. If he blows out again, you know,

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Speaker 2: they don't lose anything, but he may want that security.

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Speaker 2: And then if you're the Angels, you can make a

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Speaker 2: long term bet and and buy out some of his

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Speaker 2: free agent years because you know, with that pitch mix,

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Speaker 2: not just the sinker, but all the pitches that Mark

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Speaker 2: was describing, and the way he's you know, mixed him

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Speaker 2: up now seems like he's got a really good idea

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Speaker 2: of how to be successful for a while.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, all right, We're going to close the show with

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Speaker 1: a segment on Chase Silseth, the starter turned reliever who

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Speaker 1: has emerged as something of a stopper in the bullpen.

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Speaker 1: I actually caught up with Chase before Monday night's game

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Speaker 1: let's give a listen.

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Speaker 2: So we both know us.

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Speaker 1: You seem to have a different demeanor on the mound

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Speaker 1: this year, a little more edge, a little more aggressiveness.

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Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, did you sort of take that into

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Speaker 1: the season with you or is your earliest success sort

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Speaker 1: of breeding more confidence on the mound?

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Speaker 8: You know, I kind of just taking that taking that

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Speaker 8: with me.

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Speaker 5: You know, I've always had like an aggressiveness like you

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Speaker 5: know to me, but as a starter, you know, it

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Speaker 5: was like trying to control that for six seven innings

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Speaker 5: and they you know, trying to conserve that energy and

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Speaker 5: then also just figuring out mentally and how to use

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Speaker 5: that energy in a in a.

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Speaker 8: Way to help me and benefit me.

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Speaker 5: So like the mental the mental coach I've been working with,

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Speaker 5: has kind of helped me do that aggress helped me

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Speaker 5: with that aggressiveness to control that aggressiveness in a good way.

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Speaker 8: And then uh, when I when.

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Speaker 5: You control it a little bit and you get out

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Speaker 5: of those good jams, and it tends to come out

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Speaker 5: a little bit more. And yeah, I'm just out there

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Speaker 5: just trying to pitch angry, execute at each pitch that.

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Speaker 8: I can, and you just give the team a chance

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Speaker 8: to win influence.

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Speaker 1: As Mike Maddocks had on your development this year as

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Speaker 1: a reliever especially.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he's been he's been fantastic.

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Speaker 5: He has simplified a lot of things for me, and

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Speaker 5: he's kind of helped me with a little bit of

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Speaker 5: pitch pitch sequencing in ways where before I really never

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Speaker 5: threw the first pitch split you know, just like you know,

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Speaker 5: it's not a strike pitch to me, you know, and

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Speaker 5: it's more of like, you know, just a swing kind

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Speaker 5: of thing. But being able to kind of throw a

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Speaker 5: first pitch and maybe get a ground ball to those

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Speaker 5: aggressive guys or you know, kind of throw one in

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Speaker 5: there and do still a strike when they're like, you know,

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Speaker 5: if they see it, take it. Just like using that

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Speaker 5: and then using the fastball off of it, like pitching

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Speaker 5: inside the never really pitched inside the lefties or rather

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Speaker 5: than having my cutter, But then I had to get

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Speaker 5: rid of that because it was like starting to influence

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Speaker 5: other pitches. So just that pitch sequencing and getting inside

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Speaker 5: the lefties to open up the splitter away as well.

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Speaker 5: So the sequencing has been in that way, and just

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Speaker 5: the simple simplification and like how to get figure out.

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Speaker 1: How much of your stuff playing up in these shorter bursts,

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna take a while to sort of like

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Speaker 1: figure out how much to expenda.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, this is like the first year I'm feeling

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Speaker 5: healthy in a while. You know, just have had some

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Speaker 5: injuries in the past and u things like that, so

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Speaker 5: coming back from them has been, you know, difficult. But

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Speaker 5: you know, finally came in last year and was in

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Speaker 5: that role and found a good routine that works for

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Speaker 5: me and then able.

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Speaker 8: To build off that helped a lot. And to go

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Speaker 8: into a full off season to be healthy.

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Speaker 5: I was able to get a full off season, so

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Speaker 5: to put my body in a position to be uh, you.

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Speaker 8: Know good in that position.

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Speaker 5: So I think that's the that's the biggest thing that's

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Speaker 5: been playing and hopefully it keeps climbing. We're still early,

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Speaker 5: and you know, it's definitely burst a lot, you know,

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Speaker 5: a lot more ninety sevens than I have in the

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Speaker 5: last two years in that role.

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Speaker 8: So hopefully it continues to climb.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, how much.

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Speaker 1: Is that improving your How much better is you're split

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Speaker 1: playing off the fastball with that in prease velo fantastic?

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Speaker 5: I mean huge, you know, the the gap between it

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Speaker 5: is perfect where I want it. You know, when it's

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Speaker 5: fastball's ninety six ninety seven, then the splits eighty four

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Speaker 5: to eighty seven, and then you know the occasional two

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Speaker 5: strike one that's eighty eighty nine to ninety you know,

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Speaker 5: to kind of get.

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Speaker 8: It and rip it a little bit more. It helps,

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Speaker 8: you know, because.

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Speaker 5: The heart of the fastball is then the more speed

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Speaker 5: differentially you're gonna have between the two, which helps a lot.

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Speaker 1: How do you like this roll you're in right now?

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Speaker 1: It's you know, you're not quite the same guy, not

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Speaker 1: the closer, but you're coming into some big situations and

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Speaker 1: expected to do some good things.

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Speaker 8: I'm enjoying it, you know, I'm just having fun.

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Speaker 5: You know, anytime my name is called, it's like it's

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Speaker 5: going out and execute each pitch.

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Speaker 8: That's my mindset. It's the control I have. That's that's

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Speaker 8: what's coming down too.

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Speaker 5: Because our jobs as pitchers is to you know, obviously

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Speaker 5: get out, but the most important thing is execute each

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Speaker 5: pitcher supposed to throw. So when I just think that

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Speaker 5: pitch to pitch mentality and he's coming in, it makes

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Speaker 5: it a whole lot easier in that way. So like

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Speaker 5: my routines that I have, the pre pitch routines that

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Speaker 5: I have on the mound to be able to cite

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Speaker 5: me in for that next pitch and give everything my all.

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Speaker 8: Everything in that pitch has helped.

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Speaker 5: So I mean, I'm having a blast and it's been fun,

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Speaker 5: and I just want to have my guys back, you know,

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Speaker 5: if there's runners out there.

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Speaker 8: You know, I had a big learning learning moment in.

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Speaker 5: Houston when I got the first first and second, got

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Speaker 5: the first two guys out, Christian Walker steps up, I

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Speaker 5: throw them a fastball. In that situation, when you get

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Speaker 5: two big outs like that, the guy on deck is

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Speaker 5: coming ready to swing because he needs he wants to

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Speaker 5: do some damage with two outs, and learn that fast

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Speaker 5: like if you're gonna go a heater there, it has

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Speaker 5: to be a heater that's going to be you know,

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Speaker 5: brushing them off, or you know, in a better spot

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Speaker 5: than where it was located, or you just got to

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Speaker 5: continue with draw speed stuff and still be aggressive because.

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Speaker 8: That guy in the hole was coming and he's trying

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Speaker 8: to do some damage. So that was a good learner moment.

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Speaker 8: I'm glad that happened.

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Speaker 5: You know, in the first series of the year, so

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Speaker 5: I kind of learned from that moment to bring into

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Speaker 5: the Seattle series and it worked out good.

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Speaker 1: Did it take a little time to get used to

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Speaker 1: the adrenaline of coming into a game with two on

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Speaker 1: and none out as opposed just starting an inning. I

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Speaker 1: was starting in the channel.

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Speaker 8: That yeah, like last year.

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Speaker 5: It was my first time doing it, so it was

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Speaker 5: pretty fun, you know. I did it against Seattle and

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Speaker 5: came in basically though, no outs, and I had an

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Speaker 5: eleven pitch at Bett with Naylor, which was the thing.

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Speaker 8: But that's the thing. I didn't go into lefty.

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Speaker 5: Maybe if I had my you know, I was working

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Speaker 5: on throwing the fastballs into lefties, maybe I get him

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Speaker 5: out in that in that scenario last year. So learning that,

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Speaker 5: but you know, I come into these games and with

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Speaker 5: that adrenaline, it's just like I think to myself, where else?

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Speaker 8: But I rather want to be right now than in

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Speaker 8: this spot right here. You know.

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Speaker 5: It's just that that thing that I take with me.

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Speaker 5: You know, not a lot of people have a chance

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Speaker 5: to even play the game because they're just somewhere, you know,

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Speaker 5: find for their life or just they just weren't able

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Speaker 5: to have that chance to play. So you know, I

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Speaker 5: use that use that as some motivation for me as

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Speaker 5: well with those guys, because like, where else would you

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Speaker 5: rather be the right here in the situation?

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Speaker 1: Where else would you rather be right now? I love

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Speaker 1: that quote from the kid Mark. How does a young

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Speaker 1: guy who maybe has struggled to uh, you know, establish

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Speaker 1: himself as a big leaguer go from a guy who

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Speaker 1: is maybe questioning whether he belongs to a guy who

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Speaker 1: is embracing these kind of moments and big situations.

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Speaker 4: I think it starts with having a little bit of success.

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Speaker 4: And where does success come from or where does confidence

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Speaker 4: come from?

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Speaker 2: Tyler?

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Speaker 4: Where does confidence come from.

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Speaker 2: From doing it before? I guess, you know, from from

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Speaker 2: experience and then from her inner belief.

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Speaker 4: I would agree, and I think that you know, it

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Speaker 4: sounds like you needed some work over the off season

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Speaker 4: on the mental side of it. But one thing I

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Speaker 4: really appreciated with those thoughtful answers. I think anytime a

641
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Speaker 4: player gives an interview, and I tried at least to

642
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 4: always provide you know, something of substance, you can say,

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Speaker 4: you know it's it's for the team and just doing

644
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Speaker 4: it for the team. But Chase did a very nice

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Speaker 4: job handling these questions and you know right on cue

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Speaker 4: we had done or you did this before. He you know,

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Speaker 4: he did give up a home run, but that you

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Speaker 4: know that is going to happen hanging off speed pitch.

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Speaker 4: He's pitched a lot recently, so, uh, you know, Bachman

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Speaker 4: gave up a run the other night. Get it out

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Speaker 4: of the way. I mean, these are not disaster in ins.

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Speaker 4: It's just a minor thing. He's doing great, and you know,

653
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 4: really hoping he keeps it up because he's a weapon,

654
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 4: as we talked about.

655
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very small sample size, but according to

656
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: Baseball Savant, he has a forty three point one percent

657
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: chase rate no pun intended, That ranks in the ninety

658
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: eighth percentile, which is pretty darn good. And he's got

659
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: a thirty six point two percent with rate, which ranks

660
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: in the eighty seven percent tel mark. How does a

661
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: how does a young guy maintain that kind of production?

662
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: How easy sustain this.

663
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 4: Kind of question is.

664
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: What you alluded to it before. You know that the

665
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: he did pitch for the third time in four nights,

666
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: and I.

667
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: Think, yeah, you have to watch out for that.

668
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if Kurt was like maybe trying

669
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: to just sort of see how far he could push

670
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: a young guy. I think he got his answer. If

671
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: that's the case, Uh, you know, how careful do you

672
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: do you have to be with a young guy who's

673
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, piercing.

674
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 4: That's kind of kind of what he talked about going

675
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 4: into this season. You have a couple guys in the

676
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 4: bullpen that are on the older side, and as far

677
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 4: as it goes, especially with that short start, not from

678
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 4: Soriano but from young George class on the other day,

679
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 4: they had to eat an extra five or six innings

680
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 4: out of the pen or more.

681
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: He only went two and a third.

682
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 4: I think. So every short start compromises the bullpen to

683
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 4: some extent and then some shuffling. I don't know what

684
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 4: to make Ryan Johnson is, we don't need specific cities.

685
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 4: He hits on the il. Yeah, with a viral thing,

686
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 4: so best wishes there. But three times in four days

687
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 4: is you know? I didn't pitch and relief. I did

688
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 4: have lunch with for our angel Darren O'Day I should

689
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 4: have had it, but he was a rubber arm, you know,

690
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 4: he kind of the lower arm slot, and those guys

691
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 4: do they are kind of called rubber arms because they're

692
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 4: very durable and dependable guys that are throwing more max effort.

693
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 4: I think it's it can be a little bit more delicate,

694
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 4: but you know it's also very effective and the production

695
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 4: goes up, so you know, I I hope that Kurt

696
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 4: is able to manage that. I do not think he

697
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 4: was trying to see how far can we, you know,

698
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 4: stretch the limits with with somebody, because that's not a

699
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 4: good stretch.

700
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 5: You know.

701
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to make any strong statement there. I'm

702
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 4: just saying that, you know, for for everyone's health. I

703
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 4: have one question for you, Die or Tyler, if you

704
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 4: guys wanted Joey Dell is a free agent at season's end.

705
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 4: This iconic photo that most likely will make the rounds

706
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 4: for a long time to come. Does that could that

707
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 4: alter his free agency? I mean, you can't have that

708
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 4: photo going around and know joe adele right.

709
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: Point, you can't display it in the ballpark or too

710
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 2: long if he leaves.

711
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 4: You guys got you to asking these questions there it is, Yeah,

712
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 4: there you.

713
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: Go, Tyler on the spot.

714
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: Who knows? I mean, it can't it can't hurt, right,

715
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: I mean, they have a guy associated with the team

716
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 2: like that, maybe tug at you a little bit more

717
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: to keep him around. He's a guy they've developed and

718
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: they've worked with for a lot of years to get

719
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: to the point where he can, you know, have a

720
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 2: big season like last year and feel good about himself

721
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: the way he seems to be. So it'd be nice

722
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: for him if you could continue it. It just sort

723
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: of puts uh puts a halo, you might say, around.

724
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: His hut there. Yeah, that picture better be up on

725
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: the stadium on one of those banner spots in the

726
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: front soon, very soon, That's what I would do. I mean,

727
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're maybe alluding Mark to the

728
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: emotional whims of the Angel owner. Maybe yeah, maybe this

729
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: is something that I.

730
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 4: Really you know that that photo it's more about the

731
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 4: you know, it really was and for a franchise, you know,

732
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 4: could use some good pr good good stories. I mean,

733
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 4: that's you know, excellent. Yeah, but you know, everybody celebrated,

734
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 4: you know, even the best of the best defenders are

735
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 4: all hats off and saying you know that Kermeyer I

736
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 4: had comments and you know this is this is awesome

737
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 4: for Joe. I think it definitely helped us stock a

738
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 4: big home run last night against Chris Sale, So hopefully

739
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 4: the bat keeps trending in the right direction. Uh And

740
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 4: just one last thing to talk quick thoughts on the abs.

741
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 4: So far we're just I'm just gonna hammer you with questions,

742
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 4: but here an excellent yes.

743
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 2: So I think it's I think it's great. I think

744
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: it really adds to the experienced the ballpark, to the broadcasts.

745
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 2: It's somewhat more interactive for for fans. I mean, not

746
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: that they can do anything, but they can at least say, oh,

747
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: I would have challenged that, and then you see the

748
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: pitch come in and the you know, the strike zone

749
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: light up in pink or not. I think it's cool.

750
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: Any little strategic wrinkle like this is is neat. And

751
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: you know the fact that when do you use the challenges?

752
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: Are they out of challenges? Do they have more? It

753
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: makes the umpires a little more accountable. And I always

754
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: thought for years, guys that having that strike zone on

755
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: the TV was was a bad thing because every fan

756
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: would focus and fixate on that and all this umpire

757
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: stinks or he missed this color, he missed that call.

758
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: And now the players have some agency, they can do

759
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: something about it. And that the fan doesn't have to

760
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 2: be frustrated all the time. When the players don't be

761
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: frustrated all the time at an umpire, you know, they

762
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: can they can have some say over it. So I

763
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: think it's I think it's really cool. I think it's

764
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: a great innovation. Not you know, like not to the

765
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: level of pitchclock, which was the best innovation lately, but

766
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: it's up there. It's another good one.

767
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: I don't have the numbers right any I mean, I

768
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: think the catchers are having a lot more success with

769
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: these challenges and the hitters. What's that telling you, Mark,

770
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: is are these hitters' eyes not quite as good as

771
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 1: they think they are? Is the catcher's perspective a little

772
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: better than we thought?

773
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 4: If you want to get really geeky, I think it's

774
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 4: the bineural vision. But you're standing to the side as

775
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 4: a hitter. So in order you know, as far as

776
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 4: who should be challenging the catcher by far and away,

777
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 4: then the hitter, and then pitchers who are doing it,

778
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 4: good luck to them sometimes, you know, especially if you're

779
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 4: out there scuffling it. I honestly am wondering, you know,

780
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 4: should should pitchers even be able to do it because

781
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 4: they have the worst view of anybody, in my opinion.

782
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 4: And then the emotions. You know, sometimes it's not going

783
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 4: well and you're kind of you call it, you know,

784
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 4: whining or whatever you want to say, you know, begging,

785
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 4: you know, challenge that, and then it's just you know,

786
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 4: outside by five or six. You know, cashers are always

787
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 4: trying to steal strikes as well, so that that distorts

788
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 4: things too. I think, you know, not having the box,

789
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 4: I will say sometimes in spring it is a little

790
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 4: bit strange to get used to not having. So if

791
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 4: they do away with that, that box that Tyler talks about,

792
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 4: you got to adjust to that. Everything looked pretty close

793
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 4: when that box was removed. In my opinion, it kind

794
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 4: of looked like a strike ball. You know, it's like, okay, well,

795
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 4: but I think they buy and large. You know, some

796
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 4: umpires haven't loved it, but most are really good, really good.

797
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

798
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 4: I don't know about the ones that clip, you know,

799
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 4: that are half in, half out. It seemed to be

800
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 4: going obviously they're strikes. Some hitters are challenging very early

801
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 4: in the game, and then you lose one first inning

802
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 4: or something on a middle count pitch. So when you

803
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 4: do it seems important? Uh, you know, so it's evolving,

804
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 4: but you want to get the calls, right. I think

805
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 4: everyone is aiming for that, So.

806
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 1: Yes, and we're going to close on that note. Tyler Kepner,

807
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: the Athletic, my whole, longtime friend and colleague, thank you

808
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: for joining us. Mark Trump goes well, please like and

809
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: subscribe and we'll see you next time on Halo Territory