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Speaker 2: Penn's president did choose silence, the neighboring university's president swiftly

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Speaker 2: glorious October seventh and you're a dirty little Jew.

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Speaker 3: You deserve to die, a word.

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Speaker 2: Said not by kame Off, but by my classmates and professors.

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Speaker 4: In recent weeks, the CIA's anti Semitic rhetoric has shifted

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Speaker 5: Multiple times a week on my way to class, I

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Speaker 1: So those are students who are attending Harvard, the University

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Speaker 1: to House Education Committee Chairwoman Virginia Fox about it. Talk

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Speaker 1: Chairman Virginia Fox. So, Congresswoman of Virginia Fox, thanks so

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Speaker 6: Thank you for having me, Lisa, I'm happy to talk

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Speaker 1: At the beginning of the hearing, you laid it out

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Speaker 6: They took the second alternative. I actually met with them

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Speaker 3: On this problem.

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Speaker 6: And so, I mean, I think they were shocked when

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Speaker 3: I didn't think they expected to hear that from me.

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Speaker 6: But you know, these are called the elite universities. They

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Speaker 1: How do you think we've arrived at this point where

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Speaker 6: Well, it's because we have allowed woke policies. I know

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Speaker 3: And Lisa, this hasn't been recent. This has been.

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Speaker 6: Going on for a long time. There was an excellent

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Speaker 1: This is something you know, I mean before going into Congress.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right, Lisa. Let me tell you.

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Speaker 6: I grew up in houses with no electricity, no running water.

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Speaker 6: But I believe God put me there for a real purpose,

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Speaker 1: Well, and you're right, it's such an important time on

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Speaker 6: Well, everything you've said is accurate, and there's a lot more.

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Speaker 3: Intafada means destruction of Jews, all Jews. That is what

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Speaker 3: We can't tolerate that.

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Speaker 6: Well, the trustees are going to have to make that decision.

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Speaker 3: Some members are doing that.

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Speaker 1: A lot of these university presidents, they'll say, oh, you know,

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Speaker 6: Well, the lines are calling for the death of people.

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Speaker 6: So I am glad to see these trustees pulling out

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Speaker 1: What do you hope was accomplished from the hearing? You know,

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Speaker 1: we've seen since a lot of bipartisan uproar just really

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Speaker 6: Well, as I said before, I think what the hearings

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Speaker 6: to refute these calls for genocide, these calls for intifada,

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Speaker 6: will you protect your students? The testimony was that poor,

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Speaker 6: facing a fiscal a cliff of demography where they're going

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Speaker 6: I believe that they will be admitting more and more

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Speaker 3: And yet again.

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Speaker 6: After eight years, and the taxpayers are paying pel grants,

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Speaker 6: their loans and they're going here. I don't want to

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Speaker 6: use the word brainwash. But they're going in being influenced

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Speaker 6: that the American people were able to see just the

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Speaker 1: I am too, and I'm so glad that you held

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Speaker 1: this hearing. It was extremely important and you should be

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Speaker 1: very proud of the committee and the way everyone handled it.

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Speaker 1: Congress Woman, thank you so much. I know you've got

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Speaker 1: a busy day. We truly appreciate your time and we

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Speaker 1: appreciate what you're doing.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Lisa, I appreciate it. God bless you.

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Speaker 1: That was Congresswoman Virginia Fox, chairman of the House Education Committee.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate here taking the time. She's been really busy

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Speaker 1: this week, so it's an honor to have her on

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Speaker 1: the show. Appreciate you at home for listening every Monday

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Speaker 1: want to make my producer, John Cassio, for putting the

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Speaker 1: show together. Until next time,