WEBVTT - Attack on the Alphabet Mafia 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.920 You are listening to Waiting on Reparations, the production of 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:13.960 I Heart Radio. Ay, what is happening? It's Dope Knife 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:21.160 and we are waiting give me My Money money Yes, 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:24.560 also known as also known as Waiting on Reparation of 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.480 the show. The name of the game is getting that Bag. 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:31.000 And this week we are very excited to be joined 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:37.640 by our guest Christen K Chris, one half of the 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.520 dynamic duo that is Moody Black, who you guys will 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:45.239 be seeing touring the country with Pussyfer so be on 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:47.360 the lookout for that. But K, how are you doing. 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.280 I'm all right, yeah, I'm thanks for the intro, so 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:53.600 I'm happy to be here. Got the message a couple 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:56.160 of days ago from you, Dope Knife, and I was like, 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:58.760 all right, I'll do it. I haven't really been feeling 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.760 like talking a lot we on podcasts and stuff like that, 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.520 but I guess I'll do it for you. Thank you, 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:09.240 thank you, thank you. I feel like the world of 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:13.800 like indie wrap that is good is very small, and 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.440 so I've like I been aware of you for a 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:20.160 long time, so it's like very like exciting too. What 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:23.000 do you do? You do? You consider what you do? 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.119 To be indie wrap these days. I mean, I guess 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:29.120 the people if people, uh if people think that. Yeah, 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.480 but I feel like we were. I was doing indie 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.520 wrap a very very long time ago, and I feel 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:36.800 like I'm still part of your standing. No it's not, 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:39.160 It's still it's still relevant because it's you know, we 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:43.319 we built a following, you like in those indie rap circles, 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:45.240 but I think it was only like two percent of 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:48.080 what we do. Uh So it was kind of, you know, 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:52.800 in retrospect, you know, maybe not the greatest audience for 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.120 us to just be stuck in for so long, even 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.440 though we love I wouldn't be here today without indie rap, 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:01.080 not that I'm anywhere, but so so Okay, So before 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.960 we get into a broader conversation, why don't you, you know, 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.000 why don't you give a little uh overview to our 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:11.600 listeners just who you are and what you do? Uh Well, 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:13.919 my name again, my name is, It's I have all 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:17.679 sorts of names. It's k Death, Chris Kristen. I'm a. 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:20.280 I'm a I'm a I consider myself first and foremost 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:24.720 a rapper, as weird as that is. I'm a rapper, artist, musician, 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.359 and then everything else people can classify me as. I 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:32.280 don't like calling myself an activist, but I get caught up, uh, 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:34.920 you know, being a voice, I guess, or giving my 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.280 perspective that tends to be a voice for a lot 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:41.120 of people. Um, according to them. I don't like. I hate. 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.640 I hate when people call themselves activists necessarily because I 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:46.040 don't know, it's just a weird thing to say that 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:49.680 about yourself. I feel that, I feel that yeah yeah, 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:51.160 and it's call me all the time. I'm just like, 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:52.639 I'm not gonna argue with you. I don't have time 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:57.799 to like mince words, but like, okay, call you that. Yeah. Well, 0:02:58.040 --> 0:02:59.920 I think I think it's well. I think it's one 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.880 those things that other people should maybe like, like calling 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.680 you if they feel like um. But anyway, I've been 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.359 doing that, and I guess I'm also um. This is 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.880 an odd left turn. But I'm also a cook. I cook, 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.359 and I own a We own a taco shop now, 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:18.360 which is just another thing, another idea that we started 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.320 with Moody Black when the pandemic hit and we couldn't 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:25.960 tour anymore, and we decided to make tacos to sustain ourselves. 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:28.600 Man which so I mean, is there like a theme 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:32.160 to the the tacos or it's not like any type 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.639 of taco. Well they're all moody, black themed. But no, 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:37.960 the the the basis of the food that we have 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:40.200 is is we call it New Era text mex and 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:41.880 it's just taking all the stuff that I grew up 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.920 with in O Passo, a lot of the Southwest flavors, 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:47.800 mixing my Mexican and my black side because I'm Mexican 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.520 and black, and we put them together and we we 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.000 kind of bridge those gaps in the food world. And 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.640 we've been doing oddly enough, really really well. I have 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:58.960 no idea why I'm not. I've never I was a 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.000 prep shot for a little bit and we worked on 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:02.920 taco truck in l A for a little bit, and 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.360 then I've been cooking at home forever and we opened 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:09.000 a place and it's just been it's uh, it's saved 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:12.080 our our lives in a lot of way. That was. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:16.120 That was so, I mean, like I heard that you're 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:17.920 you know, and I know there's a hip hop show, 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:21.159 but you are going on tour with Postopher, which is 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.800 like kind of a big fucking deal for us in 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.080 the indie music scene, you know what I mean, Like 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.039 whenever some of something like this comes along. So how 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.080 did that come along for you? It had everything to 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.440 do really well, had a lot to do with movie Black, 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:37.720 but everything to do with the Tacos as weird as 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:41.039 that is. Um, We've been working for a long time. 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:44.279 I've been doing music for or like actively doing shows 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.720 and rapping and doing music for sixteen years. And UM, 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:50.080 we've been Every step of the way has been a 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.600 battle because we've done really weird quote unquote what other 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:57.279 people consider to be weird rap music. UM. And it's 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.919 never been easy for us. We've never fit in hip hop, 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.080 never wanted anything to do with us. UM. Yet we still, 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.720 you know, we we still participated in at the best 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:10.040 we could. UM. And so sixteen years later, one of 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:12.800 the biggest opportunities we ever had kind of happened when 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.440 I decided to stop caring so much about trying to 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.000 make it in music. Uh. That didn't mean that I 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.800 really like I gave it up. It just meant that mentally, 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:23.400 as you know, dope Knife, we can get so focused 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.480 on what we want in this business, UM that I 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:29.640 think you start pushing it pushing it away. UM. And 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.919 when I switched that focus too, I'm gonna work on tacos. 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:34.440 But in the back of my mind, I was like, 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.960 this is gonna help Moody Black. It's a weird thought, um, 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.360 But as you know, I also do my own podcast, 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.040 and for years I was interviewing people and one of 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.159 the things I found out was that the people that 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:48.359 were successful in the music industry were like, did it 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.400 on accident. They weren't usually people that were like, yeah, 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.040 I really want to make it and and grinding and 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.080 trying to network and figure out all this stuff. It 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.960 was more like, oh, I you know, somebody saw me 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.200 and then I got a break, or you know, I 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.280 got lucky with the YouTube. It was It's usually like that, 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.400 and so I kind of just I thought that putting 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:10.600 my energy somewhere else would attract uh, better opportunities for 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:12.640 Moody Black. And I really didn't think it was gonna happen, 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.840 and it really happened. It shocked It shocked me. I 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:19.520 was like blown away because people talk about manifesting and 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:21.920 all that. You know, you Anthony Robbins, I did all 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.520 that stuff. I went to see a sports psychologist when 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.880 I was in college. I got I knew all about 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:30.280 all that, like positive thinking, and I tried to institute that, 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:34.400 but it's so vague and it's so ridiculous. Um, but 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.039 it worked as odd oddly enough. But that was also 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.400 because we worked really hard for sixteen years. And so 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.839 anyway we was because of the top of the spot 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:47.400 or in part Uh Maynard Keenan from Tool the lead 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:52.720 sing or a Tool Pousifer Perfect Circle. Um. His wife 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:56.920 and him run uh a winery in Jerome, Arizona, in 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:00.520 the middle of the desert. Weird again because tour We're 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.240 from a Z A lot of the foundation Moody Black 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.679 was about the desert. Um. There's a lot of backstory. Again, 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:08.359 I don't want to go too far away from what 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.960 we're talking about, but it all went back to the 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.440 desert and his wife was playing our music while they 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.440 were making wine. Uh. We're we're part of like a 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.800 lot of playlists that Maynard would put together. Yeah, they 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.240 make wine and then they play like people's bands and 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:24.720 music that they like to the wine to like help 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:29.280 it mature. Maynards nuts. Yeah they're crazy, um, but it 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:31.360 could makes sense, right, you know, talk to plants and 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:33.880 but they so they that's how his wife was like 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.360 a big fan. I didn't know that because she was 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.840 on Instagram and I didn't know who she was. I 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.120 was like, oh, it's so cool, just another supporter. And 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.400 then um, I just I didn't even know about that. 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.880 And that's going on, and one day I get a message, 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.120 I think she messaged me on Instagram like oh, we 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:54.720 got somebody coming out from our winery to talk to you. 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.600 And I was like, yeah, okay, whatever, didn't think about it. 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.800 And then we're doing a Saturday morning brunt service at 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:05.120 our at our spot here in Minneapolis, just serving breakfast tacos, 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:10.400 and this agent from the winery slash Maynards team comes 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.120 in and he's like, oh yeah, like I'm from like 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.200 Pussifer and Tooling all these people, and we just wanted 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:17.840 to come try a spot. They bought like a bunch 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:25.440 of tacos and bought our merch and he was like, yeah, 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:29.640 it was it was so weird. Um, and so yeah, 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.400 we just had a good conversation. And then he's like, 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.640 if you get an email, it was so weird. It's 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.240 like a movie, like it's like stuff that it doesn't happen. 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.480 And especially again because dope, you know, like in the 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.600 indie world, like it's not you hear stories and you're like, yeah, 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.800 that's just so lucky. But like it was happening, and 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.160 he was like, if you get an email, like that's 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.679 really Maynard, And I was like what And the next thing, 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:52.280 I know, it wasn't even it wasn't an email, but 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.360 like then Maynard just started direct messaging me and then 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.240 we just started talking and we hit it off because 0:08:57.600 --> 0:08:59.360 he loved he likes to talk I don't know how 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.720 much he wants to me to tell about he he 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.520 obsesses about food and like cooking, and so that's what 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.280 we like peeked out on. And then next thing you know, 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.280 that management is calling me and then that's who are 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:15.600 set up? That's crazy, man, Well well hold on, do 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.679 you have any stories like that. I'm just like random 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:24.480 coincidences that led you into like insane musical adventures nack. Yeah, okay, 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:29.160 so shit. Kind of the way that the podcast came together, 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:32.360 it would probably be one of those stories. True, we 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.079 don't even really know each other that well yeah, well 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.000 know we we we knew each other, but I just 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.920 knee like we it was it was we were doing 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.280 like a random show you know what I mean. When 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:47.280 we got approached about doing it, that easily could have 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.920 been I can't make it up to Athens this weekend, 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:51.120 you know what I mean. It was one of those 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:54.680 things where it was like the circumstances for you had 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:56.360 to be right for you to even ask me to 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.040 be there, and then us doing the show together and 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.000 have you know that dying amic and the chemistry and 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.480 stuff like that. But I guess for me it would 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:08.800 probably be the whole um Sage Francis thing. St. Francis 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:14.800 is a you know, a I guess for for our St. 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:18.800 Francis is like a big indie rapper, right, definitely might. 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.800 But you know I had done that show to open 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.680 up for him, and uh, I think I want to say, 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:29.880 you know, I had made an impression. It was good. 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:31.880 That also was the first night that I met Mariah, 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.880 and we had talked in the in the crowd that night, 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:39.640 and then I want to say, like, yeah, no, we 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.240 didn't know each other that night like at all, Like 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:43.120 it was just it was that was cold. That was 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:52.720 the cold open. But but I mean afterwards, like maybe 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.720 three four months later, he hit me up at like 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.640 three in the morning and yeah, I just happened to 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:02.360 be up and he was. He hit me up on 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:06.560 like all of my stuff, like Facebook, email, like you 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:08.599 know what I mean, Twitter, like all the ships. So 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:10.320 I was like, oh damn, I guess it's like real 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.160 serious and from them is how I ended up getting 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:16.200 down with this label Strange Famous and dropping my record. 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.760 Then I was able to you know, I've been sustaining 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.720 my little indie rap career since, so you know that. 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.120 That's kind of my my one story there is the 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.960 time when young Buck from g Unit came to a 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.839 show I did in Tennessee and bought everything at the 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:34.160 merge table with like a huge iraq. It was pretty dope. 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.480 It was pretty flat. We took pictures and stuff, but um, yeah, 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:42.520 you know what you were talking earlier about how hip 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:46.720 hop never really accepted y'all or accepted you and what 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.520 you guys were doing and everything like that, and you 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:54.280 being a trans artist. In the news lately, there have 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.559 been a lot a lot of stories where it kind 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.280 of seems like a lot of the anti g B 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:04.160 t Q or anti transsentiment that's out there is kind 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:08.240 of it feels like it's culminating to some sort of 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:14.080 peak of some sort that I mean obviously is not good, 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.199 but I just we wanted to talk about that and 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.240 touch some of these stories and then also get some 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:20.320 of your thoughts on it, and you know, just some 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.719 of your general you know, your your origin story in 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:27.920 and how you feel in this climate, living as a 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:31.560 trans woman in this climate. So we will be right 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:39.640 back with all of that after the jump. All right, 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.679 and we're back. And I felt like opening with this 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:46.240 Huey Newton quote from nineteen seventy because you know, I'm 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.200 all about her sex nality and recognizing the ways our 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.880 stuck struggles are similar, also acknowledging our unique struggles and 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.839 you know, find us Alida area of people. And it 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:59.400 takes me back to this quote. Um. He says friends 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.640 are allowed to make mistakes. The enemy is not allowed 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.360 to make mistakes because his whole existence is a mistake 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.560 and we suffer from it. But the Women's Liberation Front 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.000 and the Gay of Liberation Front are friends. There are 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.160 potential allies, and we need as many allies as possible. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.520 And so as we make the segue from Black History 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:20.520 Month and the Women's Month and talking about m issues 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:24.160 that impact all of this, ultimately, UM, though it impact 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:27.080 some folks more than others. Um to start of highlighting 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:32.400 the way that in liberation struggles historically, folks have um 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.240 you know, found those found those moments of solidarity like 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:36.840 you know what, I might not be going through this, 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.120 but uh, I see you, and I appreciate that as 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:41.880 somebody that you know lives in those intersections as like 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:49.200 weer person, woman, ish, uh, black person, et c. But 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:53.360 uh yeah, so should cry out here. I think that 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.600 I need it, damn sure. Is as we like, as 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:00.800 people become more open and out and we are evolving 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:02.760 in terms of our understanding of all the things that 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:04.600 you can be and accepting all the all the things 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:08.520 you can be, it makes sense that like the system 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.600 ramps up to like evolve, it's as well into new 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.800 forms of like trying to suppress folks because they don't know. 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:22.000 I don't know, they're scared. They're scared. They're like scared, 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.000 they might like sucking some dick or something like, I 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.640 don't know what I think. I mean, that looks kind 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.680 of tasty. I don't know, like I'm scared. I don't 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:32.360 I'm scared scared already know how I feel about that. 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.760 I feel like all of all of the conservative ship. 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.320 Of that ship is projection. Yo. When they say they 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:41.840 don't like gay people, it's because they want to be 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.800 in the bathroom stall anonymously with strangers. When they say 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.560 they don't like trans people, because they really think trans 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.520 women are attractive and they're scared, you know what I mean, 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.240 Like like, I mean, I mean that was no. I 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:58.840 mean people try to leverage that like homophobically when it's 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:05.000 like it's really okay, but like, I mean, so okay. 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.840 So let's let's let's recap the situation. I'm sure people 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:11.040 are well aware, but let's just recap. So one, the 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.160 year that just passed US was the deadliest year for 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:17.720 transgender and gender non conforming people in the US on record. 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:22.440 At least fifty transgender nonconforming people were killed this year alone, 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:27.120 per report by the lgbt Q advocacy organization, the Human 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.080 Rights Campaign. The report also makes it clear that the 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:34.720 full number of fatalities is likely higher still, as deaths 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:39.040 by trans people are usually under reported. Uh The Trevor Project, 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.560 which is the world's largest suicide prevention and crisis intervention 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:46.880 organization for young LGBTQ people, has published the results of 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.560 their annual survey on Mental Health of lgbt Q youth 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:56.280 in it found that fort had seriously considered attempting suicide 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.880 last year. This included more than half the transgender and 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:04.080 on buyer MARY respondents. As many of thirty one percent 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:08.960 Native and Indigenous UH surveyed participants reported having attempted suicide 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:12.640 in the last year. Finally, eight percent of Latin youth 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:16.520 and twenty and twelve percent of Asian and Pacific Islander 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:22.520 youth reported having attempted suicide as well. Um, that's cheerious. Fuck, 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:27.560 thank you, Mac. I want to I app man just 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:31.680 reading the words. Well, I mean, like we have to 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.000 really think about these things because like one of the 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.200 attacks that folks are in the leverage is that like, 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.160 well this is not the QUOTEO, this is not that 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:39.840 many people. But we have to really think in terms 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.800 of disproportionality that like, um, first of all, there's probably 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.280 a whole whole lot more people than you would realize 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:50.720 because folks, because of the cycle of suppression, et cetera, 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.600 at least raconian laws. Of course, people ain't gonna tell you, like, 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:56.680 you know, what they really got going on with them, 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:58.840 what they really are um, and so there's a lot 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.800 more people that we think then as well, Like if 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.960 you have such high margins of people feeling this way, 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.680 experiencing these things in a group, that's not that's it's horrifying. 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.040 That's bad, and that's bad. And I think, like, you know, 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:17.680 recognizing intersections of struggles like UM, the ways that other 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:21.720 groups are also like disproportionately impacted by things like police violence, 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.520 et cetera. The way that these systems all work together 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:28.480 to hold people down, perhaps in different ways, but like 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.119 you know, the I guess I say all this to 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:35.680 say that I find hope when addressing like glaring statistics 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.479 like these that when we kind of see what our 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:42.919 commonalities are and like also see perspectives that are different, 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.560 but like the ways that kind of cross paths, the 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.639 points it's like all right, like I can relate to 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.400 like I don't know, I wanted to kill myself or whatever. 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:53.520 I mean, I joke about it, but that's been a 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.080 real reality in my history. And so like, all right, 0:17:56.119 --> 0:18:00.840 I see y'all, like let's like unite, let's like um 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.200 fight together. So I just want to uplift that because 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:04.760 some of this top it's really hard to talk about. 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:06.840 It's as really hard to talk about, but I do 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:08.840 feel very hopeful at this moment as well as like 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:10.840 more light is being shed on these issues that like 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:16.480 we have this, we can fight. I'm ready to fight, Chris, Chris. 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.600 Like earlier, we're talking about how things are, you know, 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.080 seems like they're on the up for you. But is 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.880 this anything that you kind of struggled with in your youth? Uh? Well, 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.119 at first, the first thing about that is we are 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.600 talking about disproportion or the proportion of those numbers. Is 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:33.959 a large amount of those numbers that you're seeing are 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:39.439 actually mostly largely black trans women. Uh, I mean, and 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:43.320 that that's even more alarming. Um, I mean, it's all alarming, 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.720 but that and that's been a trend for a long 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:50.359 long time. And talking about intersectionality even more in depth 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:54.919 you're looking at Uh that's it's it's so hard to 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.840 have this conversation because I'm always caught in all these 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:03.280 weird intersection alities Mexican black trand whatever it is. Um, 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.080 I'm everywhere, I mean all these things. And so what 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:10.040 I say is the critics what could sound like a criticism, Uh, 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.440 if I'm not black enough of a black community could 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:15.919 come across a certain way or so you have to 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:19.280 be a little bit. I don't really care, but like 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.600 to be mindful of others because I care, Like I 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:23.480 don't want to be I don't want to come across anyway. 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:27.320 But uh, bringing that tie into hip hop, where hip 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:29.800 hop is a largely black centered culture. I mean it, 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:34.280 it came from black culture, um. And then being a 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:38.840 trans uh woman inside of that that doesn't it's so 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:41.480 weird because this is where I get so caught up 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:45.600 because I can go like a thousand different avenues. Um. 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:50.160 It being uh like being a trans woman's one thing 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:52.639 in hip in hip hop or rap or whatever it 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:59.359 is music industry period um. But when uh, when you 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:01.840 The other problem that I get a lot is like 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.639 I don't look black. People don't think I'm black, so 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:07.159 like they treat black people will treat you a certain 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.000 different way they realize you're black, and then all of 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:10.800 a sudden it's totally different than it's a different way. 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:15.200 It's all good. Uh, I've had that my whole life. Um, 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:17.480 But now being oh no, yeah no, saying that's like 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:19.080 a light skinned person, They're like, well, which one of 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.119 your parents is why I actually neither of them, and 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:25.080 like why the fund are you asking like trying to challenge, 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.480 Like your experience is based on how you see em 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:29.399 and now where you've been. So yeah, so it's like 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:33.240 I've got I've gotten that static my whole life whatever. Um, 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:37.120 but nothing is is terrifying or dangerous or whatever. I've 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:41.159 never felt like uncomfortable until I came out as a 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:44.280 trans person and lived out as a trans person. That 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:48.200 was true. That's true, fear um every day of my life. 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:50.560 It doesn't go away because when I go out there, 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:53.080 I don't know. I live in North Minneapolis, which is 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:59.120 uh like a largely black Mexican neighborhood, and in those 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:04.359 neighborhoods on fortunately, I feel the least safe because I 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:08.960 get followed sometimes because people giving you looks. So whatever 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:12.080 it is or you know kind of you you've seen, 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:15.800 I mean, were witness. Yeah, we've yeah, we've when we 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:21.360 we went on tour before it was and like one 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:23.720 of the stops, I'm pretty sure it was like maybe 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:27.760 twelve miles outside of Chicago on like some ship like that, 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:32.080 and straight up like eight Nazis walked into the bar 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:34.439 and it was like a standoff and I mean when 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:37.800 I say eight Nazis, I don't mean like motherfucker's with 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:40.200 like haircuts I didn't like or so like I'm talking 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:44.440 like literal you know what I mean, like insignias and 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:46.640 shipped on their shirt Leo. It was like a real 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:50.320 tense situation and that was probably like my first time 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:54.400 really like you know, personally like being there, like, oh, man, 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:57.720