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Speaker 1: You are listening to Waiting on Reparations, the production of

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. Ay, what is happening? It's Dope Knife

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Speaker 1: and we are waiting give me My Money money Yes,

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Speaker 1: also known as also known as Waiting on Reparation of

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Speaker 1: the show. The name of the game is getting that Bag.

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Speaker 1: And this week we are very excited to be joined

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Speaker 1: by our guest Christen K Chris, one half of the

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Speaker 1: dynamic duo that is Moody Black, who you guys will

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Speaker 1: be seeing touring the country with Pussyfer so be on

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Speaker 1: the lookout for that. But K, how are you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm all right, yeah, I'm thanks for the intro, so

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here. Got the message a couple

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Speaker 1: of days ago from you, Dope Knife, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: all right, I'll do it. I haven't really been feeling

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Speaker 1: like talking a lot we on podcasts and stuff like that,

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Speaker 1: but I guess I'll do it for you. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I feel like the world of

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Speaker 1: so I've like I been aware of you for a

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Speaker 1: long time, so it's like very like exciting too. What

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Speaker 1: do you do? You do? You consider what you do?

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Speaker 1: To be indie wrap these days. I mean, I guess

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Speaker 1: the people if people, uh if people think that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I feel like we were. I was doing indie

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Speaker 1: like I'm still part of your standing. No it's not,

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Speaker 1: It's still it's still relevant because it's you know, we

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Speaker 1: but I think it was only like two percent of

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Speaker 1: what we do. Uh So it was kind of, you know,

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Speaker 1: in retrospect, you know, maybe not the greatest audience for

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Speaker 1: us to just be stuck in for so long, even

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Speaker 1: though we love I wouldn't be here today without indie rap,

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Speaker 1: not that I'm anywhere, but so so Okay, So before

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Speaker 1: we get into a broader conversation, why don't you, you know,

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Speaker 1: why don't you give a little uh overview to our

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Speaker 1: listeners just who you are and what you do? Uh Well,

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Speaker 1: my name again, my name is, It's I have all

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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a I consider myself first and foremost

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Speaker 1: and then everything else people can classify me as. I

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Speaker 1: don't like calling myself an activist, but I get caught up, uh,

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Speaker 1: don't know, it's just a weird thing to say that

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna argue with you. I don't have time

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Speaker 1: to like mince words, but like, okay, call you that. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think I think it's well. I think it's one

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Speaker 1: not the time, Like it's not for trans people. This

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00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: is a legitimately dangerous situation and which Black culture looks

427
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 1: at Dave Chappelle like he's some sort of prophet um

428
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: and they're so influenced by that, and even joking about

429
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: trans people's invalidating the experience, and it just helps to

430
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: uh like to to fuel them, uh to make it

431
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 1: feel like it's okay to bully, to make it feel

432
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: like it's okay to kill, hurt, whatever it is. But

433
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 1: there's also and they're also like a tract if they're

434
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 1: also confused and conflicted because they're attracted and you know,

435
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,719
Speaker 1: like a lot of trends women black trans women are

436
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: sex workers, which is awesome and I fully support get

437
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: your get your make your living. Yeah, like it's and

438
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: plus there's an audience for it. And that's what's so

439
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: frustrating too, is like you know that I mean a

440
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: lot of quote unquotes as people which are people that

441
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: are identified as the gender they were at birth and

442
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: are usually straight, said, dudes honestly are really into trans women.

443
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: Is just a fact. Well let me, um, let me

444
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: read some things that have been going on to kind

445
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: of relate to what you just said in terms of

446
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 1: how the atmosphere is right now. So, um, Marjorie Taylor Green,

447
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: who is the representative of this great state of Georgia.

448
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 1: So she was recently on the Alex Jones show or podcast.

449
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what that nigga is relegated to right now,

450
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: but she was on the Alex Jones Ship and she

451
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 1: was talking about a counselor who identifies as they them

452
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 1: at like summer camp or something, and she was saying, well,

453
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 1: first off, my husband would have beat him into the

454
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: ground and then he'd be in jail. But that's exactly

455
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: what we need to do to stand up against this stuff.

456
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: And then elsewhere in the count we got Shelley Luther,

457
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: who is a former school teacher who's celebrated by in

458
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 1: conservative circles because she got arrested challenging like mask mandates

459
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: or so. She was on one of those viral videos

460
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: going crazy in a Walmart or Chipotle or some ship.

461
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: And um, she she was, you know, recently at a

462
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: in a debate, a primary debate, and she said, what

463
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: we have done is become comfortable pretty much, she's advocating

464
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: for kids being able to bully trans kids in schools.

465
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 1: Just she was like, what we have done has become

466
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: comfortable with what is okay in our society. I'm not

467
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: comfortable with transgenders. Uh, the kids that they brought in

468
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: my classroom when they said that this kid's transgender and

469
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: into a different sex, that I couldn't have kids laugh

470
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: at though. And then she gave a really long pause,

471
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: realizing what she had just said, before she continued, Um, elsewhere,

472
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: you've got uh, the Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, who

473
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: offered a legal opinion that providing medical care and treatment

474
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: to adolescents with genderness for it could be child abuse,

475
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: so that caused Governor Abbott to order that it be

476
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: immediately investigated as to whether or not kids are getting

477
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: sex change procedures. Florida past that Don't Say Gay Bill,

478
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: which amongst a bunch of crazy shit at one point

479
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 1: and an incarnation of it, had it that teachers would

480
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: be outing kids forcibly like the ship is it's it's

481
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: getting nuts out there. So I'm just gonna pause real

482
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: quick and do a check in because this is all

483
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: super fucking heavy, Like, um, I just want to make

484
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: sure this is like okay to be talking about because

485
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: like I know, I mean for me personally as well,

486
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: Like this can be just like very just fucking like

487
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: traumatiz I thing to like read about and hear about

488
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: all the time. So I just wanted to make sure

489
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: we're like we're good, like it's like everything everybody's like

490
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: okay with this, just because like I don't know, I

491
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: don't want to yeah, like I don't know you for

492
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: as thought of I don't like talking about this kind

493
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: of stuff. No, We're totally good with it. I like

494
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: to talk about it, uh, and I read about it

495
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: every morning the first thing I do in the mornings.

496
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: That sounds really messed up. The first things I usually

497
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: do in the morning is I just type transgender news

498
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: and Google just to see what other rights they you know,

499
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: are at risk for me, or if I got to

500
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: change my passport real quick before they change it back. Um.

501
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: But it's so with with this, with this, with this

502
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: out like mask off, open out showing of like transphobian

503
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: bigotry by elected officials, even you know, like it being

504
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: Republicans in the sort of like low expectations that usually

505
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: have for Republicans is one thing, But this seems like

506
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: something new, Like this seems like a new flavor to

507
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: it or like a more bolder, emboldened sort of expression

508
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: of it. Do you sense that too is being somebody

509
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: who you said you read the news, you know you

510
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: see it. You see it also because all the stuff

511
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: that they're saying is untrue, Like it's not it's just

512
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: not true. Like there's no kids getting uh, sex change operations.

513
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: They don't operate on kids, period, it doesn't happen. When

514
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: it does happen, is more like with the CIS, people

515
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: that have kids that are intersex or what are blah

516
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: blah without the kids consent than they do whatever. Then

517
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: the kid comes out later it's like, hey, why did

518
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: you cut my ship off? Like I didn't done it. No,

519
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: they give like quote unquote cist children, like puberty blockers

520
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: that they have like precocious puberty well like which is fine,

521
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: which is fine, like more than you more than you

522
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: could realize. But because they're like gender normative quote unquote,

523
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: that's not a problem. It's not really about like doing

524
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: like certain medical procedures on people. Generally, it's only like

525
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: certain people that they don't want because they're fucking racist,

526
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: asshole like misogynists, like homophobic dickheads. And it's always it's

527
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: almost always all of all of it together and it

528
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: doesn't make it's just not yeah, and it's and they

529
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: twist all the narratives to fit what they're saying. And

530
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: because people don't know any better and aren't going to

531
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: go look at credible sources to to suss that out, uh,

532
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: they just go with it. And then that's compounded by

533
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: the jokes and stuff going on in media. That's compounded

534
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: by now it's it's multi tiered. So that's just those things.

535
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: But now they're attacking, uh, you know, the the athletes um.

536
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: So they're taking very small instances like Leiah Thomas from

537
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: Pen the swimmer that's been winning, which is an anomaly

538
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: because not it's not true that all trans women are

539
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: just dominating in sports, and go look at it, go

540
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: look at their placement. Even lead had not. I think

541
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: I was saying her name right, was not um necessarily

542
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: as dominant. Um So it's just like they're taking all

543
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: these names of conflating and then making us look really

544
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: really bad. It just sucks for me because it's like

545
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: when I first came out in two thousand and sixteen,

546
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: it was totally different. Um Um. I was like this

547
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: my whole I have an interview like it's it's it's

548
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: frustrating because I was like this my whole life. I

549
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: can't it's hard for me to convince people that that

550
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: think that that's not a thing. And so it's frustrating

551
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: because I know in my my brain and my heart

552
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: that it's like a legitimate thing, and that's something I've

553
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: dealt with. So I know this isn't a fad. I

554
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: know this isn't uh people just getting into this like

555
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: people think or another narrative of like oh they're just

556
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: this is just cool to do in school. I don't

557
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: know why anybody would want to go through all that

558
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: bigger trees. It just again, it doesn't add up when

559
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: you start looking at uh all that. But that's what's frustrating,

560
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: is it sucks that to be like, like I can't

561
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: just go out and do things because like I feel

562
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: like I'm a statement when I'm just trying to like

563
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: do my thing, and every day I go out there,

564
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: I know that people I don't know what they're thinking,

565
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: but I know it's out there, so I can feel

566
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: like the narrative of the world is projected on me

567
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: when I'm out about doing things. It's really that part sucks.

568
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,479
Speaker 1: And then being a musician and stuff on top of

569
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: that kind of it's good and bad. It's like one

570
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: thing to like break barriers and be like, yes, this

571
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: is a trans woman, sounds like this looks like this

572
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: is gonna be a badass like this and fuck you,

573
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: but it's a whole another thing, like when they're hitting

574
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: me up on like social media and stuff like this

575
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: possifer thing is gonna be funny because it's already a

576
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: whole different level of getting weird weird comments and stuff

577
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: like that we were was very insulated in the indie

578
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: rap world. Oh yeah, I know. It's it's it's definitely

579
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: going to be an experience for you. Lets it's not.

580
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: It's not again, it's so weird because it's not about me. Like,

581
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: and that's the other thing with music right now that

582
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: I've been like, I all this cool stuff is happening,

583
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: but if you notice, like I'm I'm not, I'm trying

584
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: not to put too much out there. I feel weird

585
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: like promoting right now because like there's so much horrible

586
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: like yeah, these all these horrible things, and I'm like,

587
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: what does music have to do with this right now?

588
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: Like I'm like sitting here talking about like touring and

589
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: like like you know, like there's all this heavy stuff

590
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: going on. So it's weird. Like I don't know if

591
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: that's just me personally or if other people feel like

592
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: that now, or if it's just me getting old and

593
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: like feeling that way. I don't know. It happens in

594
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: waves for me, Like there's there's certain things that come up,

595
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: like certain I don't know whether I want to say stories,

596
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: but certain like events like world events that kind of

597
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: kill my motivation for things like that. Like music or

598
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: talking to people about my music or by album coming

599
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: out and stuff like that. For example, the biggest, you know,

600
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: elephant in the room was COVID. Like when COVID hit,

601
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: it just killed all creative drive I had for like

602
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: six months and I didn't do ship. Or when I

603
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: was in like high school in nine eleven happened. It

604
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: was like, you know, it's like it just just put

605
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: you know, like the political implications of it, you know,

606
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: you know aside. I wasn't even thinking like that back then.

607
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: It just put a damper over me expressing like joy

608
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: or happiness and like any other thing. It was like,

609
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: oh well, it's it's relatively a small thing compared to

610
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: this other ship that's going on, you know, yeah, Like

611
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: do you funny you say that? I was sorry, No,

612
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask if you felt Mariah felt

613
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: like that. I felt like particularly were talking about the pandemic,

614
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: or even just like the way the marshalization within hip hop,

615
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: like being like with everything going on right now, feeling

616
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: like you want to you know, promote things that you've

617
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: got going on, whatever whatever it may be, Like, do

618
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: you feel that way where it's like there's and you're

619
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: doing a lot of like important work. It's like it's

620
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, I know you've got a lot of stuff

621
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: going on to like well, I mean even this podcast

622
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: I was able to follow. Um, so I was happy

623
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: when you first got it. By the way, I'm just

624
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: I never get a chance to talk to you all

625
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: too much, but um, I just, I mean even doing

626
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: this kind of thing is like to me, i'd be

627
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: I could be more invested in that because I like,

628
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: at least we're talking about relevant things as opposed to

629
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: like music music It's like I think I'm a god

630
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: in the songs, Like that's so dumb. Well okay, so

631
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: here's how I look at it. So, I mean I

632
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: did my my my work is like my music is

633
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: becoming increasingly political because of the pandemic. Because I had

634
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: the opposite experience of Mac, like sitting alone in my

635
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: house like no longer drinking myself to death on the weekends,

636
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: like because there's no bars open, I started like writing right,

637
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: and then for the show We're right, we are wraps

638
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: every you know, um every week. It so like you know,

639
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: building that fitness, and so I started writing a lot

640
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: more political stuff not and it's been like it's been

641
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 1: like weird to promote like because yeah, we're like oh yeah,

642
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: like you know, bumped the single or whatever, but like, um,

643
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: like everybody's dying and like, you know, it feels bad.

644
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: But in this instance at least, it's like it enables

645
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: us to have interesting conversations like with like with this

646
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: like new music I've been making, Like you know, I've

647
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: been talking to people about labor organized and talking to

648
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: people about cycles of tra the drive the fact and

649
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: hip hop that folks are like, yeah, I'm smoking blunts

650
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: and I'm driving my car down the street with the

651
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: ball honey and the hand Like where did that come from?

652
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: Like in some of the songs. But even in the

653
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: instances of like yo, I'm the ship and you're not,

654
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: and like I am drinking Henny and driving around and

655
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: like whatever, sort of like torque in celebrations of self

656
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: in these various ways, like is an active resistance to

657
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: like all of the hitty ship that we are like

658
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: living through. It's like you have to find some joy

659
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: otherwise how are you going to keep fighting for freedom?

660
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: How are you gonna keep just living? Just living? And

661
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: it's and not in itself being an active resistance if

662
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: you're living on the margin. So like like if you

663
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: got to like write, like you know, drop singles every

664
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: other week about like how much puss do you get

665
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: or whatever? Great that makes you feel better. Great because

666
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: everything's everything is kind of bad, so like do what

667
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: you gotta do, Like, I won't judge in the in

668
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: the least lightness, I agree. Usually that's the sort of

669
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: thought process that gets me out of that funk whenever

670
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm in it is that I start start thinking about

671
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: it that way. I mean, that's what got me out

672
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: of the ship during the pandemic. You know, I admit

673
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: I definitely, I definitely was thought it was gonna be

674
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: worse than than the ended up being. And it was bad,

675
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: but I thought, like you know, civilization was about to collapse.

676
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, yeah, there really is no

677
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: point to any of this. But then once I once

678
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: I got past that point, I felt by creative drive

679
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 1: start coming back a lot quicker than that. So sorry

680
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: to get back to the show. You know what, We're

681
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: gonna take a little break for a second, then we're

682
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: gonna come back. But when we come back, you know,

683
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: I hate to just make it doom and gloom and

684
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: talk about what's wrong, what's wrong, what's wrong? What's wrong?

685
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: Because everything's wrong, Trust me, everything's wrong. But I'd hate

686
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: to just talk about it without at least brainstorming and

687
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: throwing out some possible solutions for some of these things

688
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: out there. So when we come back, we're gonna we're

689
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: gonna talk about what can we do to change this

690
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: climate that we're in? Um and we'll be back with

691
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: that after the jump. All right, we are back and

692
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: we're talking with k Death. So, like I said before

693
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: we took the break, what what do you think people

694
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: can do on an individual level first, to to make

695
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: even an incremental smidgeon of a change in this climate

696
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: of like intolerance and hate that we got going on

697
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: right now. I guess I mean increased intolerance ahead. It's

698
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: it's tough to say because it's like it it's like

699
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: it just depends on it. People are going to be

700
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: ready to change in that that then that's it's just

701
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: hard to change people. It's hard to get people to change. Uh,

702
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: I don't know if if individuals, I don't, I can't.

703
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: I can't answer the question because it's like I know

704
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: what I can do to help like influence people. Uh,

705
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: and hopefully we get enough allies to make to make

706
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: more visibility, to make it more normalized and to get

707
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: through to people. I know I've done that on a

708
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: personal level for people that I know and men friends

709
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: are I mean sure, I've even done it for maybe

710
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: even you don't know if I've done it for for

711
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: people that that haven't worked with trans people or trans

712
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: women that it's also I'm also a good bridge. I

713
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: think we need more people that like I used to

714
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: play college basketball with these knuckleheads that were just horrible. Like,

715
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: I know these people, I know how they work, I

716
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: know they operate. But and so I also know that

717
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: if they know me, like, they would be a lot

718
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: more willing, and they would a lot of people that

719
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: do know me except me. I mean I've lost a

720
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: lot of really close friends too. Um. That's what I mean.

721
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: There are some people that are just not going to change. Um,

722
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: but there's also a lot of people that have changed

723
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: just because they know trans people, because they know their

724
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: friend is trans, and then you know, they find it

725
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: with them themselves to like it's just so ridiculous they

726
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: need to do that. Um. Oh, so okay, I have

727
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: a question, and this Mariah, this is for you too.

728
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: So Okay, do you think do you think that um,

729
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: do you think it's more to focus on making the

730
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: change at a legislative level, whatever legislation needs to be

731
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: changed to sway the public and that, or do you

732
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: think that it's more important to focus on making that

733
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: change in people from a cultural level music, movies, television,

734
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: in the arts, things like that. I think all terrains

735
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: of struggle are equally valid and necessary. So like mutual aid.

736
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: If you see some somebody who you know, they got

737
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: kicked out of their house because their parents found out

738
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: they were you know, queer, or if someone got fired,

739
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: or just a lot of the ways that materially people

740
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: are oppressed, like if you've got if you've got money

741
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: to give somebody hub out they're in, or their car payment,

742
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: or their gender firm and surgery. That matters because if

743
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: people have the basic the people are more likely to

744
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: fight for freedom they have their basic needs. That's why

745
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: you see UM like more like middle class ass like

746
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: white ass since hetero people like or more comfort doable

747
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: out there, like you know, like advocating for what they

748
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 1: want because they're comfortable and they're fucking fine and everything's

749
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: cheery for them or not. They're you know, sitting home

750
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: because they have everything they need. They don't even care.

751
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: It's folks at the margins that like struggle to like

752
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: make it to city hall to advocate for legislative change

753
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: or like whatever, um because of the way its materially

754
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: like they like they have this insecurity that holds folks

755
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: back from um from engaging and so like, I think

756
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: that at all levels that's important because it helps. If

757
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: you want legislative change, you need a mass movement of

758
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: people that feel empowered enough to fight for it. And

759
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: if you aren't, like if you aren't eating, if you

760
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: can't get food or whatever, whoever you are, whatever your circumstances,

761
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,959
Speaker 1: you know, that's not being unique to our community here,

762
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: um like like it's it's gonna be hard for you

763
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: if you don't have a physical mailing address to like

764
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: get your voter registration car, it's gonna be pretty hard

765
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: to make legislative change. And then on the on the

766
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: roll of art okay um, on the role of art um,

767
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's also part of building a

768
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: mass movement, right, so, like, you know, you you like

769
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: meet you to tour the country and you meet all

770
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: kinds of people and talk to them and then inspire

771
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: them with your ideas and they inspire you with theirs,

772
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: and like you know, that's helping build up a mute movement,

773
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: like showing people the different ways to be an artist,

774
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like you can you like you can. You

775
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: don't have to be like a straight black male in

776
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: wrap um and fucking kill it and just be the

777
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: illist with the bars ever um as a way to

778
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: like model for folks, like the different kind of world

779
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: we can live in. I think like art plays that

780
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: role also, and like helping build that mass movement and

781
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 1: change people's minds um so, Like it's like two sides

782
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: to it, all of which can lead the legislative change.

783
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: But it's not like just go vote, Oh, just go

784
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: vote every four years. I'm like vote for about what?

785
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: Like what are we trying? Like what are y'all trying

786
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: to achieve? Also, I don't have a fucking Maily address

787
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: because I got evicted, so like I don't know what

788
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: y'all want me to do to an about somewhere. I

789
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: don't have a place. All these things work together well,

790
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: and there there's been that mass movement, uh, in in

791
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: in in art, in music, and in movies and film.

792
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: I mean, and you're and you see, we're not talking

793
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: about the good. We talked about all the bad stuff.

794
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,959
Speaker 1: But there's been a lot of progress for trans people.

795
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: I mean I've been able, Yeah, like I've been able

796
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: to do a bunch of stuff that I wouldn't otherwise

797
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: have been able to do a few years ago. Um

798
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: and even just yeah from the people that everybody knows,

799
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: like your Laverne Cox and all that and all those

800
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: awesome people. But like there's also you know, like the

801
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: Pose uh TV show that came out, which it's hard

802
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: for me to I love that show, but it's so

803
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: hard to watch because it's so um visceral. Like I

804
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: just relate too much to the situations where it was

805
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: like I don't want to be depressed anymore today. But like,

806
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: so you see all those movements happening, and you see

807
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: it happening with the current The people that are politics

808
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: are weird, but the people that are are are in

809
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: charge right now have made some changes that uh that

810
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: corrected some stuff that was there from the previous administration.

811
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: So that's why I was like, I'll take advantage of

812
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: this time, be like, you know, take take what I

813
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: can from what a little bit we're given. Um, but

814
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: that does help a lot. I think ultimately biggots won't

815
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: care just the same way that I mean, cops don't

816
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: care that. I mean, it's its likeable I would random

817
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: citizens care about what they do to people. UM. Right now,

818
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: I think we could eventually get there. And I think

819
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: what you said is like, yeah, you have to have

820
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: a balance of people getting that visibility. And it's cool

821
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: that I mean to bring it back like that's what

822
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,959
Speaker 1: we're doing. Even with to have a trans like fronted band,

823
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: trans women fronted band on a on a posta for

824
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: tours is pretty it just doesn't hasn't happened. Maybe you

825
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: have this taco shop that we own. I think it's

826
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: probably the first trans woman owned taco shop, So I

827
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 1: think I don't in Minneapolis. I don't know any others.

828
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: So maybe there is at at least, but I mean

829
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: it's rare. But that's the thing because again, like we

830
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, marginalized people just don't have access

831
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: to that. And I had a lot of privilege, um,

832
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: based on having a career a little bit of career music,

833
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: but also because my parents, like I wasn't rich or anything.

834
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: We were like a middle class when my dad had

835
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: his green card forever was straight from the Mexican border,

836
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: and my mom was from El Paso too, So it

837
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: was it was weird because they never taught me. They

838
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: never I never felt like all the stuff they're talking

839
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: about now about being marginalized, and I never had that language,

840
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 1: and I was never brought up like my parents didn't

841
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 1: talk about that. It was weird. They didn't talk about that.

842
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: I wasn't raised necessarily like that, so I didn't think

843
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: in terms of like, oh, I'm a marginalized person when

844
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: I was younger. Looking back in retrospect, I see all

845
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: these instances where those things happened where I wasn't aware

846
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 1: of them. Um, but they insulated me in a way

847
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: from a lot of that. And even now they don't

848
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: think like it's really weird. I don't know. I don't

849
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: know if it's a good thing or a bad thing,

850
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: because even now like a generational divide. I think I

851
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Speaker 1: think it is a generational divide. And they were lucky

852
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Speaker 1: enough to do really well, like my dad just I

853
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 1: it's just amazing what he did coming from from there

854
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: and just be able to just chill and Phoenix with

855
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: the nice house like it's like it's and again, they

856
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of money, they're still working, they're

857
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: about to retire. But that gave me the privilege. Are

858
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: a lot of marginalized people that don't have those supports

859
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: um and so like that. That's and I'm ignorant and

860
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 1: probably have a lot of stuff to work on too

861
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: because of the fact that maybe I'm not as compassionate

862
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: maybe to like other trans people or people of colors.

863
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: So I think it's important to have that awareness too,

864
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Speaker 1: especially if you're gonna be called an activist, Like just

865
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Speaker 1: the thing. It's like it's easy to say something when

866
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: you have this privilege, even as a marginalized person, but

867
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: it's different. I try to hold space for people that

868
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: have different cognitive things going on whatever. It is, like

869
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: we're not all equal, Like some people can't handle things

870
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 1: and it's not their fault. It's just they've been through trauma,

871
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: they got different mental capacities, and I don't think we should.

872
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Speaker 1: Like That's why it gets hard for me to talk

873
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: about you, because it's like I try to like be

874
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 1: aware of all these things, and it's it's everyone's different.

875
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: It's there's no blanket answer for how to fix things

876
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: in that way because it's it's all just so complex. Well,

877
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: all we can do is our best at the end

878
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: of the day. Right to the two more things that

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00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: I would say, Um, First of all, what you brought

880
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: up about, like you know, being becoming more compassionate, etcetera.

881
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: And returning to this idea of UH intersectionality and solidarity. Um,

882
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: because like you know, like Mac might understand the experience

883
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: of seeing some Nazis in a bar that you know,

884
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: even though he may have a very different experience than you, Chris,

885
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: in that moment, like yo, like I recko, I recognize

886
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: what that fear might feel like for someone who is

887
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: different than me. Or like because I've been through X

888
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: y Z trauma that is different than someone else's. It's like, well,

889
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: I've never like I don't know, like been in a

890
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: horrific house fire, but like I have like lost loved

891
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: ones and been then other things. So I can see you.

892
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: I can see the kind of struggle that you have,

893
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: even though the things we've been through are different. So like,

894
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: even if I don't know I don't understand a lot

895
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: about someone's experience, I can understand the emotions underneath of

896
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: like how much it hurts when we when we get

897
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: these anti trans bills and like we have all this

898
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: crazy stuff happening. Like I'm like man, as someone that

899
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: has experienced marginalization of different kinds. I see, I see, y'all.

900
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: I know a little bit of how that feels. And

901
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: so I feel like that's a powerful root of solidarity,

902
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: even if in a way to expand our compassion, even

903
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: if we don't all the time understand everything about somebody

904
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: else is going through. And then a last word on

905
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: like what can we do? Um? I do think that,

906
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, folks who are safe or comfortable enough in

907
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: their lives where they can do so need to like

908
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: this this might sound we have like people everybody needs

909
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: to come out like because that is like a powerful

910
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: form of resistance of saying like, oh, y'all gonna say

911
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: like my identity is like pretty much illegalble fuck you

912
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: my pronouncer, they them and suck my dick good night, um,

913
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: and like really still like, you know, because this societal

914
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: pressure is even for like folks that are otherwise comfortable

915
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: to like fit in or that. I was like, No,

916
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: now is the time to like really lean into who

917
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: you are to like, show folks you're not afraid to

918
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: model for younger people who are especially getting marginalized with

919
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: these like bills against you know, young folks getting people. Yeah,

920
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: targeting like gender firming care for like young folks, Like

921
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: I hate that, like oh that whole like oh it

922
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: gets better campaign bullshit, But like really like show folks

923
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: like yo, you can thrive, like you can throve out here,

924
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: like there is hope and there is a future by

925
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: like modeling that for people. So I just want to

926
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: give props to you, Chris for being out here, being

927
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: a fucking role model for the people just living. Just

928
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 1: be in dope as hell. So key to our listeners

929
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: where they can find you. Oh, noise wrap dot com

930
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: because we own noise wrap dot com. And that's not

931
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: the impressive part that God can started. Yeah, see that's

932
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: to us another two hours of trying to tell people

933
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: I don't know again just to set the record straight. Yeah,

934
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: that's this dialect. Of course, I don't know if you

935
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: know dialect. Dialect is this hip hop and so they're

936
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Speaker 1: what I consider the first real people to put noise

937
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: and wrapped together. So that's cool. We already we've we

938
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: tour with them. It's cool, um, but uh we we

939
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: were the ones doing the new era noise wrap stuff,

940
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: which was and it's totally different. Go listen to Dialect

941
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: and then go listen to Death Grips and go listen

942
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: when you black and then tell me that it's the same.

943
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: Please tell me it'sn't the same to my face when

944
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm you know. But anyway, Yeah, so they could find

945
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: us a noise Wrap dot com. You can find us

946
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Speaker 1: m O O D I E. Black. Oh. And speaking

947
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: of those pronouns, pronouns are she That's the other reason

948
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: why podcast tripped me out dout too, because it's like,

949
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, like when I'm wrapping, let's go on with

950
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: the let's go on with the rap voice, let's do

951
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: this and let's wrap. But after that, it's like, God,

952
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: damn it, why is my voice so damn deep? It's

953
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: the most conflicting thing in the world. Well, speaking of rap,

954
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 1: we are going to close this show up the way

955
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: that we do every week, Mara, are you ready to

956
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: spit some bars? Let's go a Joe drop a beat.

957
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: I know bigotry, like it's part of my hand. They

958
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: wanted you to think trans with the silence and lambs.

959
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: My niggas called that a scam. It was part of

960
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: their plan. They want to force you out the closet

961
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: because they close the clan. Now we call that projection

962
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: all that ness. So just to compensate for what they

963
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: call that erection, conservative GOP nationalist Nazis say the same ship,

964
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: like the pamphlet is copied and blaming the senders, your

965
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: fake and pretenders. I'm cool with no one who use

966
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: the phrase gay agenda that goes for the hotels. I'm

967
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: doping a flow. Best shout out to the Ukraine. Our

968
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: open ain't hopeless. I'm sorry and who are you? I

969
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: don't know, but we're gone and we're done. We're done.

970
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: We'll see you all next week. Listen to Waiting on

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Speaker 1: Reparations on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or

972
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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts