WEBVTT - No Drama For Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>The holidays are amongst us. You're gonna have to be

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<v Speaker 1>around family? Or will you have to be around fam?

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<v Speaker 2>Baby, I'm not waiting till the holidays to decide who

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be around or not, Darling. That has

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<v Speaker 2>started at the top of the year and it is

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<v Speaker 2>carrying on through the holiday season.

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<v Speaker 3>Dead ass.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I'm Kadeen and I'm Devoured and we're the Ellis's.

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<v Speaker 3>You may know us from posting funny videos with.

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<v Speaker 2>Our voice and reading each other publicly as a form

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<v Speaker 2>of therapy.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, I make you need therapy most days. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, and one more important thing to mention, we're married, Yes, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>we are.

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<v Speaker 1>We created this podcast to open dialogue about some of

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<v Speaker 1>Li's most taboo topics.

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<v Speaker 2>Things most folks don't want to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Through the lens of a millennial married couple. Dead ass

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<v Speaker 1>is a term that we say every day. So when

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<v Speaker 1>we say dead ass, we're actually saying facts one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>We about to take off to our whole new level.

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<v Speaker 2>Dead ass starts right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Story time.

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<v Speaker 1>So I am going to take y'all back to a

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<v Speaker 1>recent situation I had with my family to discuss invites.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Without saying any names, because I'm not going to out

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<v Speaker 1>anybody in particular, I'm going to explain to you guys

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<v Speaker 1>what I've been going through on my family.

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<v Speaker 3>All Right.

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<v Speaker 1>When Kadeen and I moved here four years ago, this

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<v Speaker 1>was our second time moving out.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the state.

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<v Speaker 1>We lived in LA or well, no, we lived in

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan for four years when I played ball, right then

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<v Speaker 1>we moved back. Then we moved to LA for a

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<v Speaker 1>year and a half. Then we moved to Georgia. Full

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<v Speaker 1>transparency when we moved out of Brooklyn. Or while we

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<v Speaker 1>was in Brooklyn, a lot of people didn't come see us.

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<v Speaker 1>Fact that it didn't matter where we were, So we're

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<v Speaker 1>not even gonna blame it on distance. We used to

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<v Speaker 1>be in Brooklyn and nobody would come to that little

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<v Speaker 1>ragged apartment that we had, right you know what, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>York Avenue. You know, we was there ten years, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of visits. I could probably count on

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<v Speaker 1>one hand how many times people came. So cut to

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<v Speaker 1>we Now in Georgia, we've been here for four years.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people come, some people don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I invited. One of my uncles was like one of

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<v Speaker 3>my favorite uncles.

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<v Speaker 1>I invited him a bunch of times, and during the

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<v Speaker 1>invite process he never had a chance to make it here.

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<v Speaker 1>And something's happened to your family. When you're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you create distance and things happened. I thought he

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<v Speaker 1>was upset at me.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought he was.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought he was pissed, and for lack of a

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<v Speaker 1>better word, I thought he wasn't wucking with me. So

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<v Speaker 1>now we're having a big family gathering here at the house.

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<v Speaker 1>And since I had invited him for four years, when

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<v Speaker 1>my dad asked me, like, yo, how we're gonna invite

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<v Speaker 1>you know so and so I was just like, don't worry, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't bother, they're not gonna come. After not inviting them.

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<v Speaker 1>They became very upset that they weren't invited. So I

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of like, how dare you be upset after

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<v Speaker 1>being invited and not coming, So that now that you

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<v Speaker 1>are invited and you don't, Oh, you're not invited, now

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<v Speaker 1>you're upset, Which lead me to think about impact versus intent,

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<v Speaker 1>because those two are very different. But a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>times when you're trying to create boundaries with people, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to consider intent versus impact. And that's what I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about today.

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<v Speaker 3>Baby.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well talk about it then we're gonna talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So this song my wife came up with because when

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you, this is my wife's attitude. This is

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<v Speaker 1>literally my wife's attitude when it comes to people who

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<v Speaker 1>she gotta put boundaries up.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, you want to start it, don't let my husband.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't be giving my husband grief, baby, because anybody, and

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<v Speaker 2>that goes for anybody, family, friends, coworkers, business folks, whoever

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<v Speaker 2>it is. If anybody fuck with you, I don't fuck

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<v Speaker 2>with them, which leads me to I don't fuck with you.

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<v Speaker 2>You look stupid ass, So with you period. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even have to go no further with the song.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>As you can tell my wife you know I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>buckt her feelings as a period.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got issues with your man and your woman. What,

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<v Speaker 2>But don't tell your family facts, you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 2>because we will hold on to that moment.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a fact.

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<v Speaker 2>So for my marriage folks out there, folks in relationships,

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<v Speaker 2>just keep it between y'all two baby, because if you're anybody,

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<v Speaker 2>if you got any family like Kadeen, Baby, she's ready

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<v Speaker 2>to buck when people want to knock. All right, let's

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<v Speaker 2>go pay some bills, y'all and let me cool down,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we'll come back and we'll get into story

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<v Speaker 2>time stick around.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're back, So let me just just dive

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<v Speaker 1>in a little bit here, just to provide some context

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<v Speaker 1>when you when you have family, right, I'm learning now

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<v Speaker 1>as I get older that family forever evolves.

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<v Speaker 3>Like who is.

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<v Speaker 1>Important to you in the moment changes as your family grows, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Because when you're part of a nuclear family, like me

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<v Speaker 1>being a part of my mom and my dad's nuclear family,

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<v Speaker 1>who they told me were important, I had to value right.

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<v Speaker 1>So if their brothers and sisters, their mom and dad,

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<v Speaker 1>their friends, but we had things like make sure you invite,

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you were just because they had a nuclear family,

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<v Speaker 1>they were putting together. Now, Kadeena and I have a

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear family, and we're trying to make sure that we

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<v Speaker 1>keep all of the people that were important to us together.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when sometimes people get invited, sometimes people don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes life happens and you lose. You lose people, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as seeing them consistently. When we used to

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<v Speaker 1>live in Brooklyn. Certain people we used to see all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. And I'm going to add this context because

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<v Speaker 1>the uncle that I ultimately didn't invite, he was an

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<v Speaker 1>uncle that we would run to when we had things

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<v Speaker 1>to do.

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<v Speaker 3>So for example, if Kadeena.

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<v Speaker 1>And I had an event or we had to go,

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<v Speaker 1>I could drop Jackson. At the time, we only had

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<v Speaker 1>one child, I could drop Jackson. Or maybe sometimes it

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<v Speaker 1>was Cairo too possible to them and hit him and

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<v Speaker 1>his wife and they would they would watch the kids

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<v Speaker 1>and everything would be fine. Like and because we were

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<v Speaker 1>so close, we were like I think it was like

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<v Speaker 1>nine blocks away. Like you would go down New York

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<v Speaker 1>Avenue three blocks and to make a left to Monroe

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<v Speaker 1>Street and we would be right there.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's super convenient.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you can see people like that quick, you

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you know, you take for granted how important they

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<v Speaker 1>are until you move away and you realize, like, damn,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see them as much. And in this particular story,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of that happened. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>a family and I'm not gonna that's my uncle Kevin.

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<v Speaker 1>You know it's my uncle Kevin. This is this is like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's my my favorite uncle. This is my guy. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the guy that I wanted to be like. He's the

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<v Speaker 1>guy that taught me a lot about about women. I

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<v Speaker 1>used to let me borrow his car, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everybody knows what it was like with that favorite an.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the guy that I you know, I looked up

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<v Speaker 1>and I was just, man, if I can you he

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<v Speaker 1>liked somebody when I didn't want to talk to my

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<v Speaker 1>dad about things.

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<v Speaker 3>I spoke to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh, Kevin really liked me off the bat too,

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<v Speaker 2>which was nice. Oh yeah, he was like he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, everybody liked me off that shout out Kevin.

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<v Speaker 3>He looked at you. He looked at you the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just like, you know, he's like, yo, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>this is how my uncle talked me. Hey, yo, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>she's cute. You know what I like the most? I

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<v Speaker 1>was like what he was like, she's smart. He started

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<v Speaker 1>asking you know's gonna ask you about grides and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and they was asking you when you were having these

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<v Speaker 1>conversations about academia and you know, what you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he was looking at me.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just like, y'all, I love the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>she think I liked that, right, she's smart.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my that's my uncle Kevin.

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<v Speaker 2>That was me thinking like one hundred and twenty five pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>He also told me too, he was just like you

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<v Speaker 1>see now because I've said this on the podcast. He

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<v Speaker 1>was the one, him and my pops just like you

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<v Speaker 1>find the slim thick joints when they're early, because once

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<v Speaker 1>they have kids, then they'll be the thick thick joint.

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<v Speaker 3>So shout out to Uncle Kevin for giving me that.

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<v Speaker 1>But over the past couple of years, I mean, he

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<v Speaker 1>has two grown kids, three grown kids, two and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to see two and a half because one

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<v Speaker 1>is outside of his marriage. Before he met my aunt

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<v Speaker 1>Chattie him and he had my cousin Porsche, who was

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<v Speaker 1>like growing up, was like my best friend. So he

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<v Speaker 1>has three grown kids who have kids too. Porsha has

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<v Speaker 1>three sons, so he has grandkids. Then Cal just got

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<v Speaker 1>married and Ca engaged, and Ki got his own thing

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<v Speaker 1>going on with school and training and stuff. So I

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<v Speaker 1>was also under the impression that he had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>going on. I have a lot going on. After a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years, you know, you lose touch with people.

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<v Speaker 1>So during the time we lost touch, I had invited

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<v Speaker 1>him to come down here a couple of times, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a couple of times I thought he had

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<v Speaker 1>came to Georgia and didn't see us. And like in

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<v Speaker 1>any family, you have disagreements and miscommunications. Miscommunication tends to

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<v Speaker 1>be miscommunication. Me and my cousin Cale had some disagreements,

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<v Speaker 1>some miscommunications. So because those years went by and we

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<v Speaker 1>had these disagreements, when my unc who wasn't coming, I

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<v Speaker 1>just thought that he wasn't rocking with us like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that he was just like, yo, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going down there because family got they things, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. Me and my sister went through our

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<v Speaker 1>times when we weren't talking necessarily. We only talked when

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<v Speaker 1>we saw each other at our parents' house because we

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't have a conversation without, you know, being upset at

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<v Speaker 1>each other.

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<v Speaker 3>So I thought this was one of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>So after not coming to a couple of invites, we

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<v Speaker 1>were having a family thing that my dad was putting

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<v Speaker 1>together and he had my aunt and my uncle and

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<v Speaker 1>them on the list, and I said, don't bother inviting

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<v Speaker 1>them because they're not gonna come guys.

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<v Speaker 2>The family thing was supposed to be, Oh, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have a couple of family members come to see us

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<v Speaker 2>and spend a weekend. I'm thinking twelve, fifteen, eighteen people,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty seven. Forty four was the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It was forty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it ended up being forty four because, to your point,

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<v Speaker 2>the nuclear family then becomes expansive as people gets older.

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<v Speaker 2>There was forty four people here, absolutely, forty four people

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<v Speaker 2>here because for example, your aunt has two daughters who

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<v Speaker 2>now have two boyfriend right and such and such now

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<v Speaker 2>has a fiance, and then all these people expanding more

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<v Speaker 2>and more, right, and then you add our family that

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<v Speaker 2>it was about fifty of us in here.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right because when my dad first showed me the list,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't have the list of the significant.

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<v Speaker 2>Other significant others.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even think about that exactly. So we asked forty,

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<v Speaker 1>well over forty people here. My dad was just like, YO,

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<v Speaker 1>what am I I was like, YO, like they're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying? Was I in my feelings?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was in my feelings, And I was like, Yo,

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<v Speaker 1>don't don't invite them, Like they're not gonna come. I've

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<v Speaker 1>invited them so many times they don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's the question of sorry, before you continue. How

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<v Speaker 2>many times do you invite somebody before they just you

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<v Speaker 2>just stop inviting them, right, you know, because the same

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<v Speaker 2>could be said for us. You know, not to deter

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<v Speaker 2>from the story real quick, but the same can be

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<v Speaker 2>said for us. We sometimes get invited things, often from

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people, and it's just like, damn, with scheduling,

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<v Speaker 2>with kids, with life and work, with tours, with filming,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, damn, I can't come. So there is a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of people who come to mind who invited me

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<v Speaker 2>to thinks a couple of times, and I've been like, Damn,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't make it, Damn, I can't make it. So

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<v Speaker 2>do I then get into my feelings because I may

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<v Speaker 2>not be invited to the next event that I might

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<v Speaker 2>be available to make it to. At what point do

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<v Speaker 2>you stop inviting people?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good question and we should do a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>about that because I learned a lot during this situation

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<v Speaker 1>about always inviting people, especially if those if there are

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<v Speaker 1>people who've always been there for you, just because their

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<v Speaker 1>life gets busy over the last couple of years and

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<v Speaker 1>they can't come don't mean that you stop inviting them,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like we can't.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm glad you brought that up because I learned

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<v Speaker 3>in this.

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<v Speaker 1>Moment you can't put a whole forty year relationship into three.

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<v Speaker 2>Years, meaning the three years of contemp.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been on this earth for forty years and my

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<v Speaker 1>uncle Kevin has been in my quarter for forty years.

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<v Speaker 1>For the past three years, we haven't been on the

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<v Speaker 1>same page. You know what I'm saying. I refuse to

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<v Speaker 1>encompass everything that we've been through in forty years and

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<v Speaker 1>just say, well, these three last three years, you've been

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<v Speaker 1>like this, So I'm not fucking with you, right. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying based off of a disagreement, And

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<v Speaker 1>I learned learned that through this, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole point I told the story was, you know

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<v Speaker 1>how we talked about intent versus impact. I said to

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<v Speaker 1>my uncle when I found out that I found out

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<v Speaker 1>that he was upset. My cousin Kire was upset, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was just like, I don't understand why you're upset.

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<v Speaker 1>I invite you to stuff and you don't come the

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<v Speaker 1>minute I don't invite you. Now you're pissed off, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And my biggest thing was I didn't invite you because

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<v Speaker 1>I hated you. I didn't invite you because I thought

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<v Speaker 1>you weren't gonna come. So my intent was not to

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<v Speaker 1>hurt your feelings. My intent was to prevent my feelings

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<v Speaker 1>from being hurt by saying, if I invite you and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't come, I don't want to be disappointed, and

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<v Speaker 1>oh set, I'm going to be impacted. So I tried

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<v Speaker 1>to protect my peace right. And when I explained it

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<v Speaker 1>to him, he said, you understood. When I explained it

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<v Speaker 1>to my cousin, my anchiity. But then it made me

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<v Speaker 1>really think about having this conversation on the podcast, right,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you create boundaries with family when everyone's telling

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<v Speaker 1>you to give grace but at the same time saying

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<v Speaker 1>give you know, create boundaries. It almost seems like it's

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<v Speaker 1>telling you the two opposite things at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>cause giving race means whatever happens, I how to understand

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<v Speaker 1>where you're coming from, whereas creating boundaries means what you're

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<v Speaker 1>going through is not my problem.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm stopping it here, or it's.

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<v Speaker 2>A protecting myself mechanism from what you know, the inevitable

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<v Speaker 2>may be. So, for example, if you do have someone

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<v Speaker 2>in your family and this is not your uncle or anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>This is specifically hypothetically speaking. If you have someone who

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<v Speaker 2>time and time again decides to disappoint you in whatever

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<v Speaker 2>facet It can be not showing up or not calling

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<v Speaker 2>or checking in whatever it may be, and then you decide,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, I'm just not going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>one to touch base anymore or to continue to try

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<v Speaker 2>to forge this relationship because it doesn't seem like the

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<v Speaker 2>other party is doing. So you then are well within

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<v Speaker 2>your right to say, you know what, just to protect myself,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to create this boundary here while I can

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<v Speaker 2>still give that person grace and be like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they may be going through something as well, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think we're necessary. They tend to be people naturally who

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<v Speaker 2>want to protect ourselves.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>Versus the other person, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Agree, But creating a boundary for yourself without communicating it

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<v Speaker 1>to the other person is not fair.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, the communication is important.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's where I messed up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I messed up, And that's where you know

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<v Speaker 1>I have to and I wanted to talk about this

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<v Speaker 1>publicly so that I can teach people what I learned,

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<v Speaker 1>because to be honest, I don't feel like I was

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<v Speaker 1>wrong for not inviting them.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I've been inviting you for years and everything

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<v Speaker 1>else was more important. I'm not going to keep doing

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<v Speaker 1>that to myself, right. But what I could have done,

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<v Speaker 1>which after speaking to my uncle, is I could have said,

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<v Speaker 1>you're uncle, we having something at the crib. You ain't

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<v Speaker 1>been here, so I'm not extending the invitation because there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people, and if I'm going to have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people, I'm going to want to know

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<v Speaker 1>who's going to be here. I'm afraid that if I

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<v Speaker 1>invite you, you won't come, you won't show up. But

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<v Speaker 1>then I would have held the spot. If I would

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<v Speaker 1>have said that, it would have at least given him

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to make a choice. I took his choice away.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's when I said, you know what, I was

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<v Speaker 1>right for protect through my piece, But I was wrong

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<v Speaker 1>for not expressing how I felt and why because now

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<v Speaker 1>I created a boundary. But I didn't give grace because

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<v Speaker 1>remember you you said we ask for grace. I asked

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<v Speaker 1>for grace all the time because I'm always traveling and

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<v Speaker 1>I can't make things, so I'm always asking for grace.

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<v Speaker 1>When I spoke to my uncle, I was like, yo,

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<v Speaker 1>why you haven't been here. He explained to me what

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<v Speaker 1>he was going through, had started a new job, working

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<v Speaker 1>on all these things. And I said, damn, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>consider none of that. So here I am being selfish

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<v Speaker 1>in myself saying my uncle, my uncle didn't come to

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<v Speaker 1>see me.

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<v Speaker 3>Me, me, me, me, my uncle here.

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<v Speaker 2>You see what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And then in doing that and not speaking to him,

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<v Speaker 1>I then created a boundary for myself which out without

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<v Speaker 1>speaking to him.

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<v Speaker 3>So now I hurt him.

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<v Speaker 1>So now the way I impacted him was not how

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<v Speaker 1>I intended, but I did, And I had to realize

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<v Speaker 1>in that moment of value, like, yeah, you had a

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<v Speaker 1>right to be upset, but think outside of yourself for

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<v Speaker 1>a minute. Bro, your uncle been here in your whole life. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he might have had a rough three years. That might

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<v Speaker 1>have been some other stuff going on that you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know about, and the men, and he couldn't be there

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<v Speaker 1>for you the way you wanted him to be here

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<v Speaker 1>for you.

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<v Speaker 3>De vow you cut him off or didn't include him.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what that is fucked up, And that's what

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<v Speaker 1>made me think about, like, yo, how do we create

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<v Speaker 1>boundaries but also give grace?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? And so I think it just gets harder as

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<v Speaker 2>you get older, because you started out by talking about

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<v Speaker 2>like what your new nuclear family looks like, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>at what point do you say, Okay, yes, I was

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<v Speaker 2>attached to my mother and father and their siblings you know,

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<v Speaker 2>aunts and uncles and then of course cousins. But then

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<v Speaker 2>you create your own family with someone and you have

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<v Speaker 2>your children, and then how do you continue to also

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<v Speaker 2>I guess make room for the people who you've grown

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<v Speaker 2>up with without it getting to be something that's overwhelming

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<v Speaker 2>and you're always having to consider the feelings of all

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<v Speaker 2>of these grown ass people. You know, because I've been

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<v Speaker 2>on the opposite side of that too, where I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>like some of the issues that my mom's generation, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>was deal with, I'm like, that's not necessarily my cross

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<v Speaker 2>to bear, that's my problem. These issues have happened long

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<v Speaker 2>before I even was here, But here I am trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be the person who's bridging the gap and being

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<v Speaker 2>the middleman and bringing everyone together when it's like sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>people don't want to be brought together or for your

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<v Speaker 2>own sanity. Sometimes it's easier to just leave those people

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<v Speaker 2>out and stick with your little nuclear family.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you brought that up, because that's why I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to have this discussion right understanding what intent is,

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<v Speaker 1>right Truba.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, she always includes the facts and stats, absolutely facts.

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<v Speaker 1>Intent is the intention or purpose behind in action, while

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<v Speaker 1>impact is the results of that action and how it's perceived.

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<v Speaker 1>Intent is personal, while impact may be based on a

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<v Speaker 1>person's background, personal experiences, and trauma.

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<v Speaker 2>Way more loaded.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason why that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is important is because we as people right have to

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<v Speaker 1>stop looking at our intent right and then giving ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>a justified past because our intent was genuine, that does

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<v Speaker 1>not mean that it didn't impact the person that you

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<v Speaker 1>did it to in a negative a negative way.

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<v Speaker 2>And do we then judge the person for the way

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<v Speaker 2>they feel after they've been impacted because you're saying, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's not how I meant it. Yeah, that's what was

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be. It's not even like that though. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's lots of consider It really is lots of consider

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<v Speaker 2>within relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>When your intent does not match the impact it made

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<v Speaker 1>on someone, it's important to listen to understand how to

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<v Speaker 1>communicate with that person better. Although you may not have

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<v Speaker 1>intended to cause harm, understanding how your actions have impacted

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<v Speaker 1>someone can help you.

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<v Speaker 3>Create a stronger connection.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason why I think this is important, especially around

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<v Speaker 1>the holiday seasons, is because this time of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>people like Thanksgiving, how to go to this person house?

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we don't even ask ourselves why we feel

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<v Speaker 1>that way. We just say we feel that way, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we find ways to avoid that person, which creates

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<v Speaker 1>more issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people know exactly why they don't fuck with somebody

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<v Speaker 2>and still feel like, you know what, Damn, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have to sit through this. Or I feel like our

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<v Speaker 2>generation now is more so the generation to say, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I'm just not doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but but our generation still isn't having conversations. Our

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<v Speaker 1>generation I call them the cut off generation.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>The generation before us was the avoid it, put it

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<v Speaker 1>under the rugs, let's ignore it. That's this generation is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna point it out. We're gonna shame the people

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<v Speaker 1>who don't like We're gonna we're going to just ignore

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<v Speaker 1>them because I'm creating boundaries as I'm stronger, which isn't

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<v Speaker 1>the right way either.

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<v Speaker 2>The communication component is what's missing between the prior generation

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<v Speaker 2>and our generation. Yes, it's the community communication.

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<v Speaker 1>Because creating boundaries for yourself, while intended to be good

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<v Speaker 1>for you, can also impact the person you created the

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<v Speaker 1>boundary from in a negative way if you don't explain

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<v Speaker 1>why you created that boundary, and that boundary can also

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<v Speaker 1>create more trauma that can now.

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<v Speaker 3>Lead to issues that your kids gotta did with.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, we all know that those aunts and uncles

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<v Speaker 1>who don't talk to each other.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and we don't even know why they don't talk

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<v Speaker 3>to each other.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what happens now that aren't or uncle

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<v Speaker 1>don't talk to the other aunt or uncle's kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Those kids don't know why.

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<v Speaker 4>I have no idea, So you know what happens to

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<v Speaker 4>those kids? They grow up saying fuck that uncle and

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<v Speaker 4>that uncle and aunt has kids too. And I was like, wait,

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<v Speaker 4>fuck my father or dad or mom fuck you. And

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<v Speaker 4>now you got cousins beefit and we don't we don't

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<v Speaker 4>know why.

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<v Speaker 2>It just makes for really uncomfortable situations year after year.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is what I want to do with this episode, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to implore people to find out about your

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<v Speaker 1>family history. You know how I was able to get

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<v Speaker 1>through what I was going through with my uncle because

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<v Speaker 1>it was a lot, It was heavy. We were upset

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<v Speaker 1>each other for a minute, started to think back about

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<v Speaker 1>my uncle's past. Then my aunt's passed her upbringing his upbringing.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I had to think about his kids. Don't think

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<v Speaker 1>about myself because the first thing we do is do.

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<v Speaker 3>You know everything I've been through it hurt me? Because

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<v Speaker 3>it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It hurt my feelings, and it the whole time you're

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<v Speaker 1>not thinking, well, what about the other person? So when

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<v Speaker 1>I sat down and I started to actually think about

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<v Speaker 1>the other members of my family, I could honestly say,

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<v Speaker 1>no one woke up intending to hurt my feelings. So

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<v Speaker 1>if they didn't intend to hurt my feelings, do I

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily have to create a boundary that's a hard stop

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<v Speaker 1>for that family member.

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<v Speaker 3>And to me, the answer is.

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<v Speaker 1>No, because as long as I know that your intent

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't malicious, I can still extend grace.

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<v Speaker 2>But that only came through communicating and researching because you

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<v Speaker 2>were on the border, yes, were about to be like

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<v Speaker 2>it was border that Like I'm done, and that's just

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<v Speaker 2>what it is. But you then being you know, pretty mature,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm working to situations where I was just like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing that, and he's just liked, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you should, and I'm like, I'm not doing that, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, I think you need to have that conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>And after having conversations on my end with family members

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<v Speaker 2>who I've had either disagreements with or didn't see eye

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<v Speaker 2>to eye, it really is super eye opening when you

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<v Speaker 2>get somebody else's perspective. And then you go from this

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<v Speaker 2>weird place of being pissed off and annoyed at this

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<v Speaker 2>person and being like ugh, to really having empathy and

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<v Speaker 2>being like damn, no for real, being like, damn, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't realize that. A, that's what you were going through.

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<v Speaker 2>That's you know, how you were raised. These are the

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<v Speaker 2>things that you're contending with with your spouse or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever other relationships that are impacting you know, whatever decisions

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<v Speaker 2>you've been making lately. And then it kind of makes

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<v Speaker 2>you feel dumb, dumb, yeah, and it makes you feel

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<v Speaker 2>like damn, like I was here harping on this one

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<v Speaker 2>particular thing that made me feel some kind of way,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't even realize that you had this plethora

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<v Speaker 2>of other things where you were literally in survival mode.

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<v Speaker 2>And see here I am judging you for that.

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<v Speaker 3>That goes back to something else.

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<v Speaker 1>I always say, right, as important as you think you are,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to realize that you're not. Because here I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking that, damn, my uncle wasn't coming to see

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<v Speaker 1>me because he's mad about this. He must be pissed

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<v Speaker 1>about it. I created a whole narrative about why he

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<v Speaker 1>was mad. Then I speak to him. This is another thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out to my uncle Harold, uncle Kevin's best friend.

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<v Speaker 1>They grew up together, they were cops together. My uncle

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin came to Georgia. Harold picked him up, didn't tell

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<v Speaker 1>him he was coming to meet me, didn't tell me

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna meet him because me and my uncle

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<v Speaker 1>at that time wasn't talking. We had got into a screaming,

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<v Speaker 1>shouting match, you know, hung up the phone on each other,

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<v Speaker 1>and we wasn't talking. And then we see each other.

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<v Speaker 1>The minute we see each other, what happen? Like you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. I give him a big hug.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm bigger than him now, Like you know, when it's

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<v Speaker 1>your uncle, you donally run up and jumping your uncle,

0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:47.040
<v Speaker 1>but I'm big at him now. He gave me a

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<v Speaker 1>big hug. I gave him a big hug, and we

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<v Speaker 1>sat down. And when he's older than I am, my

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<v Speaker 1>uncle's sixty something, so I know that generation very well,

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with my parents and your parents. So when he

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<v Speaker 1>sat down, it wasn't important to me in that moment

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<v Speaker 1>to tell him everything I was going through. I said, please,

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<v Speaker 1>please take the time and just tell me what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>But you also were seeking understanding because he knew it

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<v Speaker 2>was so out of character for him, especially knowing him

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<v Speaker 2>for so many years and the relationship you've had, so

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<v Speaker 2>I think he really just wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>Utimately, I was concerned one about my uncle my uncle's

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<v Speaker 1>mental space, because I know, especially for that generation in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>there haven't been a lot of spaces for men to

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<v Speaker 1>be vulnerable and speak about what they go through.

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<v Speaker 3>So I had to sit back and say, dang, my

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<v Speaker 3>uncle could be going through something.

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<v Speaker 1>If he doesn't feel comfortable talking to anybody, it can

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<v Speaker 1>spiral out of control. And I never want to see

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<v Speaker 1>my uncle go through what I watched other men in

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<v Speaker 1>my family go through dealing with dementia or stress, alcoholism,

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<v Speaker 1>getting up and leaving like I was like, I always

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<v Speaker 1>was concerned about how he was doing. So when we met,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and he was, I was just like, yo,

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<v Speaker 1>just tell me. And for forty minutes he let me

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<v Speaker 1>know everything he was going through. And the more he

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<v Speaker 1>was letting me know what he was going through, I

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<v Speaker 1>felt small because I say, here, I am thinking in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind that you were upset about me, that.

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<v Speaker 3>You weren't even He was like, yod, I wasn't even upset.

0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:10.560
<v Speaker 1>I had a lot going on in my house and

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<v Speaker 1>at work, and I was like, I'll get back to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Now here's another thing. When you don't talk a lot,

0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:20.199
<v Speaker 1>family talks. So Uncle Kevin saying I'll get back to you.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't even get a chance to get back to

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<v Speaker 1>me because it had got back to someone else that

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<v Speaker 1>he was upset at me. And by the time it

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<v Speaker 1>got to me from a third party, everything that I

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<v Speaker 1>thought he was upset about wasn't even what he was

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<v Speaker 1>upset about, which taught me the importance of not always

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<v Speaker 1>creating boundaries, but giving grace so that you can sit

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<v Speaker 1>down and have conversations. Because if I would have just

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:42.600
<v Speaker 1>spent here like you know what, remember you said, I agreed.

0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:46.080
<v Speaker 1>I was on that brink, like, yo, if he don't

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<v Speaker 1>text me back today because I sent him a text,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good because I've.

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<v Speaker 3>Done everything in my power.

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<v Speaker 1>I was the more mature one, and if he don't

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<v Speaker 1>get back to me, I'm not talking to him.

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<v Speaker 3>And three days went by and I was like I'm good, Like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I did my part. And imagine if.

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<v Speaker 1>Harold didn't bring my uncle and we don't speak for

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<v Speaker 1>months and then it becomes years, and then it's like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't fuck with my uncle and he don't fuck

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<v Speaker 1>with me. When time happens, now everyone has more time

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<v Speaker 1>to create a narrative about what they think happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Man. And when you say everyone, it's not even just

0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:17.520
<v Speaker 2>you and him, because said of the conversation then expands

0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:20.680
<v Speaker 2>to extended family and surrounding family, where it's like you're

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<v Speaker 2>having conversations with everyone and they're given their perspective, which

0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:26.040
<v Speaker 2>is then potentially adding to a narrative that wasn't even

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<v Speaker 2>the narrative exactly. So that sometimes does more harm than good.

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<v Speaker 2>And for you, it was a moment too. I think

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<v Speaker 2>in those moments then about how you were feeling to

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<v Speaker 2>give your side of the story, because I also feel

0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 2>like within families there's also this your side versus my

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<v Speaker 2>side versus what we actually went down, and we get

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<v Speaker 2>caught in the crossfire. A lot of times when we're

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<v Speaker 2>having those family discussions with the family surrounding, it's about

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:54.280
<v Speaker 2>who said what, when, and how that impacted you, what

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<v Speaker 2>I and the intent around them telling you what they

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<v Speaker 2>told you.

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<v Speaker 1>What I noticed about a lot of this from all sides,

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<v Speaker 1>not just from my side, is that a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>times in families, people are concerned about looking wrong to

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:08.320
<v Speaker 1>other people. So even when they tell stories or tell,

0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:11.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, their idea of what happens, they always tell

0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:13.399
<v Speaker 1>it in the light where they were the victim and

0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:16.120
<v Speaker 1>the other person was this demon person. I was doing

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 1>something bad, and I realized, boy, before that this in

0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:21.640
<v Speaker 1>that way, before.

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<v Speaker 3>This instant, that that's not the truth. Right.

0:27:25.240 --> 0:27:28.040
<v Speaker 1>If I'm gonna tell a story to somebody, if I

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<v Speaker 1>really want to seek understanding from a third party, I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta tell the whole story, even the ones that may

0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:37.560
<v Speaker 1>make me look a little bad, because.

0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:38.240
<v Speaker 3>I have to be honest.

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 1>The accountability, you gotta be accountable like and that's the

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 1>first thing I did. When I spoke to Uncle Harold,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, yo, he was like, what's going on

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 1>with you and your uncle? I didn't start by saying

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:51.159
<v Speaker 1>he did he did? No, I said, okay, let me

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:53.480
<v Speaker 1>be honest. There were some things that I did first

0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:56.879
<v Speaker 1>that I feel like would have if I would have

0:27:57.000 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 1>changed my mentality or my thought process, we wouldn't have.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's bad, but this is what happened, and that

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:05.560
<v Speaker 1>he was listening. And one thing about Uncle Harro he's

0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:09.720
<v Speaker 1>a former detective. He wasn't there what happened first. Whoever happens,

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 1>whoever did this first, is the one who's guilty. No,

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:15.119
<v Speaker 1>he didn't do that. The minute I finished talking, he said,

0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:21.439
<v Speaker 1>it's some bullshit. Y'all acting like some bitches. And he

0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:23.959
<v Speaker 1>was just like, y'all need to grow up. This is

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 1>not Yes, he was like, this is not important enough

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>for y'all not to be talking right, And he was

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 1>listening to me.

0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 3>But the thing is, he didn't even have to validate

0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 3>what I was saying.

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:37.159
<v Speaker 1>The fact that he just listened and let me speak

0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 1>without interrupting me made me hear myself. And then while

0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:42.600
<v Speaker 1>I was talking to him, I was like, dang, this

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:46.120
<v Speaker 1>sounds so fucking stupid, Like, why am I arguing with

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>someone who I admired so much for forty years? About

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 1>three years, you know, And that's less than ten percent

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 1>of the time that we've spent together. And in those

0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:00.720
<v Speaker 1>three years, we've probably spent three days together, whereas for

0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 1>the other thirty.

0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:03.960
<v Speaker 3>Seven we were around each other week after week.

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 1>And that's why I really wanted to talk to everybody

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 1>in the podcast and be like, Yo, the holidays is

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.800
<v Speaker 1>coming up. There's gonna be that cousin, that nephew, that sister,

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 1>that brother, that mother that you're gonna be like, I

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 1>don't want to talk to this motherfucker. I'm asked, I'm

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:18.400
<v Speaker 1>begging you take the time to sit down and ask

0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 1>that person what they've been going through and what's going on,

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:25.080
<v Speaker 1>and just listen, just listen. You may find it in

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:26.719
<v Speaker 1>your heart to extend some grace.

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 2>You may because you may further that boundary or you

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 2>know what're like, this is exactly why I wasn't fucking

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 2>with you at this time.

0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 3>Anyway.

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, that's the most fairest thing ever. As my son,

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 1>who has no boundaries, what's the upcoder, just walk right

0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:45.960
<v Speaker 1>in here with his Apple slices. Now you talking about

0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>somebody not having boundaries, it's d Koda and.

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna give him grace because he has something feeling

0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 2>well today, because your mommy's always gonna give grace. I

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 2>love that, but no, you're absolutely right about that. I

0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 2>think the conversation component between it's like that bridge between

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 2>grace and boundary, you know what I mean, it's having

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:04.160
<v Speaker 2>the conversation. I had a similar situation with family member

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 2>as well that for years I was just so upset,

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.959
<v Speaker 2>so upset about the way she was existing and the

0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 2>things that she was doing. And you also realize too

0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:17.680
<v Speaker 2>after a while that sometimes within family they're being enabled

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 2>by other family members at the same time. So it's

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 2>like you can't even get mad at one family member

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 2>for their actions because somebody else is allowing it to happen.

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 2>So you realize, you know what, that's not even my

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 2>battle to fight, Like, why am I over here upset?

0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Why am I over here, you know, distancing myself when

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:36.160
<v Speaker 2>everybody else seems to be okay with it. So if

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 2>everybody else is okay with it, all I know at

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:41.720
<v Speaker 2>that point is that I can step away the boundary

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:44.920
<v Speaker 2>that I create is to know, yes, I understand what's happening.

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Everybody's entitled to feel their way they feel, but I'm

0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 2>also entitled to say, you know what I said my piece,

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 2>and I can walk away and I can still exist

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<v Speaker 2>and coexist in spaces with them where we're still family.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks, And that's that's ultimately, Like, what I've come to

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<v Speaker 1>terms with is that extending grace doesn't also mean that

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<v Speaker 1>you have to cross your own boundaries. You just have

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out where that line is. And I have

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<v Speaker 1>my moment of truth. That's what I was writing down.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a moment of truth that I feel really

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<v Speaker 1>strongly about. So after we take this break and we

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<v Speaker 1>get to these listener letters, we can come back.

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<v Speaker 2>But before we go to the listener letters, you got

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<v Speaker 2>to like round out the story. So Vin came back.

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<v Speaker 2>Know what happened here? You know I'm saying, because this

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<v Speaker 2>is a devout story. Time is an extended, extended clip

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<v Speaker 2>today episode of Time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm excited to talk about this because we always

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<v Speaker 1>talk about how dead Ass podcast is therapy for us.

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<v Speaker 1>My family was going through it. You know, my mom

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<v Speaker 1>was upset, my grandmother was upset. You know, my uncle Kevin,

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 1>was upset. His family was upset. My I was upset.

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<v Speaker 1>You were upset.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is real things. But the resolution of it

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<v Speaker 1>is really what I'm proud of. Because my uncle I

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<v Speaker 1>brought Uncle Kevin here, we saw each other.

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<v Speaker 3>That was a surprise. He didn't tell Uncle Kevin.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I said it before you left the house.

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<v Speaker 2>So Uncle Harold called a vout and was like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I need you to meet up with me real quick,

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<v Speaker 2>just some stuff. I want to talk to you over

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<v Speaker 2>the phone. And I literally was like, I wondered if

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin's and I should have said it to you, because

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<v Speaker 2>that's the first thing that crossed my mind, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, Nah, he wouldn't have came down like this

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<v Speaker 2>quick to have this conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that you didn't, because if you would have

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<v Speaker 1>said that to me, I would have asked you, Harold,

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<v Speaker 1>you got Kevin with you because if he's not, I

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<v Speaker 1>need to be prepped because I don't know how I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to respond or how he's going to respond. Because

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely would have been like, yo, don't do that

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<v Speaker 1>to him neither, because he was the one that was

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<v Speaker 1>really really upset. And one thing I've learned to about boundaries.

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<v Speaker 1>When someone says they're upset and they want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it, when they can get their emotions together, surprising

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<v Speaker 1>them or popping up with an intervention, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Got to respect that. That's not cool.

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<v Speaker 1>But the fact that Uncle Harold did that, it shows

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<v Speaker 1>that he knows his friend.

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<v Speaker 2>True.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that my uncle was willing to sit down

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<v Speaker 1>and have a conversation with me shows the love that

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<v Speaker 1>my uncle has for me. But also I love him too,

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<v Speaker 1>like he got a chance to realize, like damn, my nephew.

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<v Speaker 1>Because all Harold had to do was tell me one

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<v Speaker 1>time I got to talk to you about some stuff

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<v Speaker 1>or meet me here.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, all I bet you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I didn't ask a bunch of questions. I was like,

0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:12.320
<v Speaker 1>all right, I'm here, like where you at. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was a good feeling to see my uncle pop up

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<v Speaker 1>the minute I saw him, and he smiled.

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<v Speaker 3>I smile because.

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<v Speaker 2>Y'all really knew y'all was being bitches, didn't you.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, he said to Harold. He said to Harrold

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<v Speaker 1>on the phone, he was like, your Harold. Harold relaxed,

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<v Speaker 1>like this ain't gonna last too long, and Harold was like, well.

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 3>He touched you.

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<v Speaker 1>You should have responded back, like my uncle Harold, don't

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<v Speaker 1>hold no punches. He's like you like yo, Like you

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<v Speaker 1>like that deserves a response? keV Like You're not supposed to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do that, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I harrow twoice in my life, and both times I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I absolutely love this man. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what it is about him, but I love his spirit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's well.

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<v Speaker 1>What you do love about him too, is that he

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<v Speaker 1>had a near death experience and watched his family be

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<v Speaker 1>there for him, you know, throughing.

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<v Speaker 3>All of through all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So his perspective on life is nothing is more important

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<v Speaker 1>than the people who are willing to be there for you.

0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 1>When you think this is your last breath, and when

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:00.160
<v Speaker 1>you take what you think is your last breath, you

0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 1>gotta think about it.

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 3>The house, the.

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Cars, this to that, the money, all that stuff don't matter.

0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 1>You're thinking I'm never going to see these people again.

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 3>And when that.

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:12.759
<v Speaker 1>Becomes your reality, you start to look at some of

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 1>your actions as a person and.

0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 3>You think this is stupid.

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm acting like a bitch, Like you know what I'm saying, Like,

0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 1>why am I letting this even bother me? That much.

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:22.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna let it get creeping my brain. Yeah,

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:24.240
<v Speaker 1>we're not beefing. I mean we're not talking.

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:26.239
<v Speaker 3>We beefing. What's up? Tell me what?

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<v Speaker 1>Just give me your perspective, what you think happened. And

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 1>during that time when they talking, don't be looking to

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:36.760
<v Speaker 1>defend you know why they feel that way?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, yes, that used to be you all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolute I was always like I was the one that

0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:44.879
<v Speaker 2>was heavy on the intent. I'm like, man, I did

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 2>not know. There's no part of me, there's no bone

0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 2>in my body that had any malice with this intent.

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:53.440
<v Speaker 2>But so the fact that you took it that way

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<v Speaker 2>and it impacted you that way is crazy to me,

0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:58.319
<v Speaker 2>and that that used to be my thing, especially with

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 2>you and I I pledged to I can't believe you

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 2>feel this way when really all I was doing was

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 2>this And then in that turn, you felt like I

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.680
<v Speaker 2>was trying to diminish how you felt, or trying to

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 2>dismiss how you felt, or not trying to empathize how

0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 2>you felt, when really I couldn't get past the fact,

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:15.759
<v Speaker 2>like what did I do wrong? And that's just having

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:18.000
<v Speaker 2>a self reflection for me. When you're thinking about the

0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:21.399
<v Speaker 2>intent portion of it. What did I do or how

0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:24.359
<v Speaker 2>did I deliver this or what action did I do?

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:26.080
<v Speaker 2>How could I have done it differently so I didn't

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 2>get this impact or you didn't get this impact? You know.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was always my thing when it came to

0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:34.759
<v Speaker 2>disagreements with you, and but you know, thankfully, through this

0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 2>podcast and through our relationship, been able to just extend

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<v Speaker 2>this to our extended families.

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<v Speaker 1>But also once again, you trying to explain why you

0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 1>did it also speaks to your intent. M you know

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 1>not you know not you know saying well, I see

0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 1>how that impacted you is why arguments keep going. You know,

0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:59.360
<v Speaker 1>if someone says, YO, poke me in my eye, and

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:00.880
<v Speaker 1>that person just is I didn't do it on purpose,

0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 1>But you poked me in my eye. But I didn't

0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 1>do it on purpose. My eyes bleeding, I have scratched it,

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 1>I can't see, I'm blind. I used to have twenty

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:13.320
<v Speaker 1>twenty visions. Now I have zero zero vision in my eye.

0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:16.280
<v Speaker 1>And that person goes, but I didn't do it on purpose.

0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:18.640
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna be like, that's all you care about. You

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 1>don't even care about my eye. All you care about

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:24.279
<v Speaker 1>is how you look in this situation. I can't even

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:25.800
<v Speaker 1>look because I can't see.

0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Nobody wants to be the bad guy, and that's the problem.

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:30.760
<v Speaker 2>You just want your eye kissed, right.

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<v Speaker 3>My one eye? You know it got one eye. I

0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 3>guess it's time to take a break.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess a break.

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<v Speaker 3>So Kaki kissed the one eyed monster since she brought

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<v Speaker 3>it up.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, we do some stupid. Goodbye, Let's

0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:48.719
<v Speaker 2>go pay some bills to come back. I don't even

0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:49.319
<v Speaker 2>know what I was gonna say.

0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how my brain goes there.

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Seg to pay the bills, and it just went over

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:56.560
<v Speaker 2>my head because.

0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:59.760
<v Speaker 3>You're trying to pay some bills. Go ahead, go ahead,

0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:02.200
<v Speaker 3>take it. Take it to break. Let's take it break.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be back with Listen Letters. Y'all stick around, all right?

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<v Speaker 3>We back.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, we are back, and I'll jump into Listener Letters

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<v Speaker 2>your money, all right. First off, I wanted to say

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.360
<v Speaker 2>that I love your podcast. I've been a longtime listener

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:25.719
<v Speaker 2>and fan, and I really enjoy the down to earth

0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:29.560
<v Speaker 2>conversations that you guys have. Thank you. That being said,

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:32.280
<v Speaker 2>the episode with Kaylin Allen really uplifted me to strive

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:34.560
<v Speaker 2>for better in their life. That's why we do it,

0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 2>you go. I am a thirty three year old woman

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<v Speaker 2>and I have a one year old son. I've always

0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:42.160
<v Speaker 2>been driven to get a better education and land corporate job,

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:44.720
<v Speaker 2>so I initially went that route and got my bachelor's

0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 2>degree in healthcare management, along with a multitude of associate

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 2>degrees and diplomas.

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<v Speaker 3>Your mother would love them.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. After experiencing a layoff a few years back,

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<v Speaker 2>it really shifted my entire mindset and made me realize

0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:58.839
<v Speaker 2>that my happiness does not reside in my degrees nor

0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:02.840
<v Speaker 2>our jobs. Absolutely yet, I've spent so much time spinning

0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:05.239
<v Speaker 2>my wheels trying to figure out what does. So I

0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 2>ended up remaining in corporate America, even though I loathe it.

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:14.759
<v Speaker 2>There's no natural talent that I have that sticks out financially. Sorry,

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 2>I think I jumped the gun here. There's no natural

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:21.000
<v Speaker 2>talent that I have that sticks out to me, nor

0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 2>any particular passions. My only goal is to live a

0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 2>financially wealthy life, not like me. Tell baby girl, I

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 2>know exactly how you feel.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I strive to be low key wealthy, but I can't

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<v Speaker 2>figure out what direction or niche that I'd like to

0:38:38.120 --> 0:38:42.319
<v Speaker 2>go into. I did start drop shipping clothing business a

0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 2>while back librevilling dot Com, but honestly, I haven't put

0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:48.840
<v Speaker 2>that effort into it because it just doesn't feel like

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:52.319
<v Speaker 2>my calling. The reason why Klein Allen's particular episode stuck

0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 2>out to me is because he is so aware, confident,

0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:57.719
<v Speaker 2>and bold about his life goals as a whole. That

0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:01.160
<v Speaker 2>is a fact at twenty six is crazy, definitely. I mean,

0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:02.920
<v Speaker 2>he looks twenty six, but I definitely thought he was

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:06.799
<v Speaker 2>older based off of his demeanor. Sometimes I really do

0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:09.360
<v Speaker 2>wish there was an easier way to distinguish what my

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:12.759
<v Speaker 2>passions and desires are, to have a better understanding of

0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:18.160
<v Speaker 2>what direction to go into that that can lead to fulfillment. Ultimately,

0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 2>it's solely just my drive for financial success pushing me along,

0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 2>and I realize that it's likely why I've been spinning

0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:27.200
<v Speaker 2>my wheels, unsure of what direction to go in. The

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:29.840
<v Speaker 2>only major thing I've done outside of corporate is purchase

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:32.120
<v Speaker 2>land that I will hopefully be able to add a

0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 2>home and tenant one day, and I honestly question if

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 2>that was even the right investment or direction. Every day

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:42.640
<v Speaker 2>I want to ensure that myself and my son are

0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:44.840
<v Speaker 2>set up in the long run financially and escape corporate

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:48.760
<v Speaker 2>America entirely, but currently walking in circles. Any advice about

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 2>how to go into the right direction concerning starting my

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:56.640
<v Speaker 2>business or investment opportunities if there's no real passion behind it, Sincerely,

0:39:56.880 --> 0:39:59.320
<v Speaker 2>the purposeless Entrepreneur travel.

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<v Speaker 1>So many people have asked me the same question, and

0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:05.480
<v Speaker 1>they say, Devalo, you know I've heard you tell a

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:06.840
<v Speaker 1>story about how you knew what you want to do

0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:08.480
<v Speaker 1>with You was five and you wanted to act and

0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:09.920
<v Speaker 1>you knew this. It's like, I don't know what I

0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:12.040
<v Speaker 1>want to do, Like how do I find that out?

0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:14.720
<v Speaker 1>And you know what, I realized people don't travel anymore.

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Like a lot of people feel like the digital age

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:21.000
<v Speaker 1>is how they can see the world, so they're force

0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 1>fed all of these things. And the thing is, the

0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:25.759
<v Speaker 1>algorithm only shows you things you click on, so you

0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:29.160
<v Speaker 1>can't discover anything. Really, it's going to force feed your

0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:31.680
<v Speaker 1>stuff you already know. So it gets boring and you.

0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:33.279
<v Speaker 3>Start to feel like, well, I know everything and I

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 3>don't love anything about this.

0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 1>I have no passions. I have no passions, I have

0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:40.400
<v Speaker 1>no talent. That's not true. Get out there and travel

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:43.400
<v Speaker 1>the world. Go do something, put your feet on the ground,

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:46.960
<v Speaker 1>use your hands. Like, there's so much more to the

0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:51.319
<v Speaker 1>world than just making money. And the reason why I

0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:53.399
<v Speaker 1>say that is because you know, people say it's the time.

0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:56.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, money ain't doesn't solve happen, it's money to

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<v Speaker 1>bring you. Oh that's a rich people saying No, that

0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:01.560
<v Speaker 1>is a fact, because because when I was broken poor

0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:03.959
<v Speaker 1>and I was playing football, football, and I was making

0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:06.319
<v Speaker 1>a lot of money, I was not happy, that's fact.

0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:08.160
<v Speaker 1>And I was ready to leave and people asked me, like,

0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:09.759
<v Speaker 1>why you leave football? So you quit football? I was

0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:12.440
<v Speaker 1>because I wasn't fucking happy, right, So there wasn't amount

0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:14.880
<v Speaker 1>of money that was going to be given to me.

0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:17.640
<v Speaker 1>But because my parents made sure that we traveled a

0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:19.799
<v Speaker 1>lot and I saw so many different things, I was

0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:22.399
<v Speaker 1>able to try things and realize, oh, I love doing this,

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:24.719
<v Speaker 1>and that's how I found my passion. So the only

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:27.560
<v Speaker 1>way you can find your passion passion is to do

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:31.760
<v Speaker 1>some soul searching. Meditate by yourself, go travel by yourself.

0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:33.200
<v Speaker 1>I know you have a child. I heard them say

0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:35.239
<v Speaker 1>they have a child. Ye go out there and see

0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:38.880
<v Speaker 1>playing girl. Yeah, I mean if she is financially stable

0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:40.400
<v Speaker 1>enough to do that. That's a really good idea. What

0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:43.080
<v Speaker 1>made me think it's funny that you mentioned travel. But

0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:44.719
<v Speaker 1>what I was as I was reading her story and

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about it, I'm wondering, at thirty three,

0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:49.360
<v Speaker 1>was there anything that she was exposed to or involved

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:51.640
<v Speaker 1>in as a kid that is like, man, I really

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:54.240
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed when I did that. Like for me, for example,

0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:57.520
<v Speaker 1>growing up being in pageants, being on stage, being in

0:41:57.520 --> 0:42:00.520
<v Speaker 1>front of the camera, dance competitions, all of those things,

0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:03.520
<v Speaker 1>I think if it if I didn't have it naturally,

0:42:03.719 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 1>it kind of just fostered that love for wanting to

0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:09.200
<v Speaker 1>be in entertainment and on the stage and in front

0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:11.759
<v Speaker 1>of the camera. So for me, that was something that

0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:13.640
<v Speaker 1>worked out being a passion of mine where it's just

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:14.800
<v Speaker 1>this is something that I enjoy.

0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:17.400
<v Speaker 2>But I also do feel like her. I can empathize

0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 2>where I have moments where I'm just like, well, shit,

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:20.759
<v Speaker 2>I just give me the money portion of it, right,

0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:23.160
<v Speaker 2>give me the money portion of it, Because I sometimes

0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:24.960
<v Speaker 2>have moments like I've been going through and maybe the

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:26.640
<v Speaker 2>past two or three weeks that I was just like, Yo,

0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:28.319
<v Speaker 2>what's going on with you? Your and it it's been off,

0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:30.279
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like man, I think I'm burnt out. I

0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:33.839
<v Speaker 2>think this year really like was a lot with us,

0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:37.960
<v Speaker 2>with work and business and transitions and all of that,

0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:40.319
<v Speaker 2>to the point where I'm just like, damn, like right

0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:44.080
<v Speaker 2>now my peace of mind is superseding my passion for

0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 2>anything but my family.

0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 3>I hear you, but I just think people have to

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:52.600
<v Speaker 3>let me ask you a question. What's what's your passion?

0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:55.120
<v Speaker 3>What do you want? Like when people.

0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:58.240
<v Speaker 1>Ask you your mission statement for your life?

0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:00.640
<v Speaker 3>What is your mission statement for your life?

0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:04.480
<v Speaker 2>See? Everything? When I think about that, I really everything

0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:06.160
<v Speaker 2>goes back to my family. It goes back to my

0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 2>four boys.

0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:08.960
<v Speaker 3>In you or do you have a specific mission statement?

0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:09.239
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:10.040
<v Speaker 3>How old are you?

0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:11.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm forty almost one.

0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:13.719
<v Speaker 1>The reason why I'm asking you that question is because

0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:15.600
<v Speaker 1>she at thirty three is saying she don't know yet.

0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:17.920
<v Speaker 3>And my point is everybody doesn't know yet.

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Because Kaylin knew in his twenties doesn't mean everybody has

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:23.879
<v Speaker 1>to know in their twenties. To feel fulfilled, you spend

0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:27.000
<v Speaker 1>time in your life searching for the truth, the truth

0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:30.440
<v Speaker 1>about the afterlife, the truth about purpose, the truth about passion.

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:33.440
<v Speaker 1>You're in your thirties, the fact that you're seeking something

0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:35.640
<v Speaker 1>knows that you're not fulfilled by what you're doing, so

0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:38.279
<v Speaker 1>keep searching. But that doesn't mean that you're lost and

0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:40.000
<v Speaker 1>you don't know. That just means you have more to

0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:40.880
<v Speaker 1>do on your journey.

0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:42.360
<v Speaker 2>And here you hear you know what I'm saying. I

0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:44.160
<v Speaker 2>man get that because, like you said, as a forty

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:46.879
<v Speaker 2>year old woman, I'm still some days like that's my point.

0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 2>What exactly, what exactly makes sense for me? Like what

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:52.840
<v Speaker 2>do I really want to do? Like if God literally

0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:54.560
<v Speaker 2>was like kadive right now in this moment, I will

0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:56.880
<v Speaker 2>grant you whatever it is that you want, with whoever

0:43:56.880 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 2>it is you want, whatever job you want. It's probably

0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:01.520
<v Speaker 2>not going to be a daytime talk show. It's probably

0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:03.360
<v Speaker 2>not going to be something on camera. It's going to

0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 2>be give me a healthy, prosperous life with my husband

0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 2>and my four boys. That would be it. You know.

0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:14.839
<v Speaker 2>So everybody's passion looks different. And I love family. That

0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 2>is it supersedes everything.

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:18.840
<v Speaker 3>And listen to what you say. You said long process.

0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:22.560
<v Speaker 1>So you you you prioritize health, Yes, you prioritize longevity,

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:26.040
<v Speaker 1>you prioritize consistency, and you prioritize family. So it seems

0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:28.040
<v Speaker 1>as if you do know what you want. I think

0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:30.799
<v Speaker 1>some people just can't articulate what it is that they want,

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 1>but you do know what you want.

0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:35.319
<v Speaker 2>Or as a woman, we're also conditioned to feel like

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:37.279
<v Speaker 2>you need to do all the things. You need to

0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:40.560
<v Speaker 2>have the career, and you need to have all these

0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:44.319
<v Speaker 2>things able to be able to be deemed successful. And

0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:45.919
<v Speaker 2>then you have women who are just like I don't

0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:48.240
<v Speaker 2>want a family. I want the career and the passion,

0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:49.200
<v Speaker 2>and that's where my passion.

0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:52.880
<v Speaker 1>But why do people have to create their ideas of

0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:56.719
<v Speaker 1>what success is based on other people's ideologies condition to do?

0:44:56.960 --> 0:44:58.839
<v Speaker 1>But that, to me is the first part. If you're

0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 1>really seeking, like your your purpose for yourself, you have

0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:04.440
<v Speaker 1>to look inward, right, why do I care what society

0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:07.439
<v Speaker 1>says about how I'm supposed to be successful if that's

0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:10.880
<v Speaker 1>your sole purpose? Oh not purpose, If that's the impetus

0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:13.239
<v Speaker 1>of your thoughts. Your impetus of your thoughts is I

0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:16.320
<v Speaker 1>have to be able to please, appease or please society.

0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 1>You're always going to feel like this young lady here.

0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:21.960
<v Speaker 1>You have to find it within yourself to say I

0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:24.360
<v Speaker 1>like this for me, I'm gonna.

0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:27.319
<v Speaker 2>Do it and not be worried about what everyone else

0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:31.080
<v Speaker 2>may be thinking. Yeah, yeah, essentially, good luck to you, sis.

0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:36.120
<v Speaker 2>I pray you find purpose and become the purpose full entrepreneur.

0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:37.880
<v Speaker 3>Do we have time for the second one on?

0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:39.040
<v Speaker 2>I think we might.

0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:44.560
<v Speaker 3>How are we doing on time trouble? Oh?

0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:48.719
<v Speaker 2>Perfect, you read this? I read a second number two.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Kadeen and Deval. I'm going to start off like

0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:52.320
<v Speaker 3>the rest of your listening letters.

0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:54.720
<v Speaker 1>I love y'all down, thank you so much, and DVO,

0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:57.759
<v Speaker 1>I know you hate this, but you're a couple. I

0:45:57.800 --> 0:45:59.719
<v Speaker 1>do hate it, but I appreciate y'all, and I do

0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:01.720
<v Speaker 1>hear what y'all are saying as far as a couple goals.

0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:03.839
<v Speaker 1>Y'all are not saying that we are a couple goals,

0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:05.640
<v Speaker 1>but the way that we communicate with each other and

0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:07.799
<v Speaker 1>we work together is a goal that they aspire for

0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:08.319
<v Speaker 1>their selves.

0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:09.960
<v Speaker 3>So I'll receive that.

0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:11.600
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, we'll start leaning into that.

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:13.720
<v Speaker 1>I'll stop saying that I hate it because I understand

0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:14.960
<v Speaker 1>you guys are making it very clear.

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:16.080
<v Speaker 3>So we appreciate y'all.

0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:18.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm constantly trying to get my man to listen to

0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:20.560
<v Speaker 1>your podcast with me, because anything y'all talk about is

0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:21.560
<v Speaker 1>always a good conversation.

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Starter.

0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:23.880
<v Speaker 1>But let me get to the point of my letter.

0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:26.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm thirty eight, my man is thirty four. We've been

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:29.399
<v Speaker 1>together for seven years, and this is the longest rate

0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:32.799
<v Speaker 1>relationship either of us have have been in. I had

0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:35.239
<v Speaker 1>a son prize to our relationship, but he's been in

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:38.440
<v Speaker 1>his life since he was five. He just turned thirteen.

0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:41.520
<v Speaker 1>We have two boys together, four and two, so three

0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:43.640
<v Speaker 1>boys I look up to y'all, but I cannot go

0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:47.200
<v Speaker 1>for the fourth. So when we first started dating, I

0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:49.279
<v Speaker 1>really didn't have a goal of marriage because I had

0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:51.600
<v Speaker 1>been in some shitty relationships and just kind of adopted

0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:53.720
<v Speaker 1>the mentality that it would be easier to walk away

0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:57.000
<v Speaker 1>from a relationship than a marriage. But close to our

0:46:57.040 --> 0:46:59.279
<v Speaker 1>second year of dating, I started to change my thought

0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:03.200
<v Speaker 1>process because I knew this was my person I like,

0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:05.680
<v Speaker 1>like I said previously, this is the longest relationship either

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:08.440
<v Speaker 1>of us have been in been in, and marriage was

0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:10.919
<v Speaker 1>never something he aspired to have because he never seen

0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:13.399
<v Speaker 1>a successful marriage. You know, it's funny. I talked about

0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:16.360
<v Speaker 1>this on another podcast earlier. People were saying, like, you know,

0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:18.360
<v Speaker 1>there's some comments. Was just like, you know, I watched

0:47:18.360 --> 0:47:21.080
<v Speaker 1>the violence coadean stuff, but it just seems fake. And

0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:24.759
<v Speaker 1>I said to the young lady that was interviewing me,

0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:26.919
<v Speaker 1>I said, you have to understand where someone's coming from.

0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Imagine growing up your whole entire life and you've never

0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:32.920
<v Speaker 1>seen a healthy marriage or relationship, and it here comes

0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:36.839
<v Speaker 1>somebody on a screen that says they're doing it this way.

0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:39.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I wouldn't believe them neither. You know what I'm saying, Like,

0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:40.520
<v Speaker 3>I haven't seen it.

0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:43.759
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So I understand why people like that too, because

0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:45.440
<v Speaker 2>it's like that's probably coming from a place of like

0:47:45.480 --> 0:47:47.480
<v Speaker 2>hurt too, you know, like I never really got to

0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:48.799
<v Speaker 2>experience it, so it has to be fake.

0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But the couple, but the past couple of years,

0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:54.400
<v Speaker 1>he's made comments more than I have about marriage and

0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:55.800
<v Speaker 1>calling me his future wife.

0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:57.879
<v Speaker 3>I liked, I love that, but he still has yet

0:47:57.920 --> 0:47:58.320
<v Speaker 3>to propose.

0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:00.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm starting to get a little annoyed, and I'm not

0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:03.000
<v Speaker 1>sure if I even want to want it anymore, because

0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:05.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm starting to feel like he's just dangling in my

0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:07.839
<v Speaker 1>face and that he's making the comments to keep up

0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:10.480
<v Speaker 1>keep me content with the idea that it's going to

0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:11.000
<v Speaker 1>happen soon.

0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:12.959
<v Speaker 2>Want to get married.

0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:14.280
<v Speaker 3>Fact, so that don't make no sense.

0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:18.000
<v Speaker 1>But Hey, listen, man, I never want to seem like

0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm giving him an ultimatum, but I also don't appreciate

0:48:21.520 --> 0:48:24.239
<v Speaker 1>him saying things like, oh, I almost told them your

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:28.080
<v Speaker 1>last name is blank, but it's not. It's not on

0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:30.520
<v Speaker 1>your ID yet, or acting like he was about to

0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:33.880
<v Speaker 1>propose on my most recent birthday as fucked up.

0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:35.000
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:37.200
<v Speaker 1>So I feel about the fake proposal, even the name

0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:39.600
<v Speaker 1>chase thing. But do I ask him to stop saying

0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:42.680
<v Speaker 1>things altogether if he's not going to do it? Do

0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:45.200
<v Speaker 1>I just ignore him? What do you think I should do?

0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:47.840
<v Speaker 1>I've told him I don't need the grand gesture and

0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:50.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't need the most expensive ring. I barely want

0:48:50.239 --> 0:48:52.880
<v Speaker 1>a wedding, So I'm not sure if he's waiting on

0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:55.719
<v Speaker 1>the perfect moment I'm confused now, or if he's just

0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:57.120
<v Speaker 1>being the procrastinator.

0:48:57.200 --> 0:48:58.719
<v Speaker 3>So do she want to get married or not? Because

0:48:58.800 --> 0:49:00.680
<v Speaker 3>right now it seems like she wants to get married

0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:01.680
<v Speaker 3>like she does.

0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Now.

0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's another story on another day about the procrastination.

0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:09.400
<v Speaker 1>I know everyone's journey is different, but I'm getting annoyed

0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:12.520
<v Speaker 1>because we built a life together and are still building

0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:14.040
<v Speaker 1>so I don't understand the hold up.

0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:15.440
<v Speaker 3>I need some advice.

0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:21.560
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So first of all, you want to get married

0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:22.399
<v Speaker 2>is the first thing.

0:49:23.160 --> 0:49:25.520
<v Speaker 3>Clearly she wants to get married, but she wants you want.

0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:28.360
<v Speaker 2>To get married, right And even though you have not

0:49:28.520 --> 0:49:30.640
<v Speaker 2>or he has not seen any successful marriage, you guys

0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:34.399
<v Speaker 2>aspire to be married. In terms of him going back

0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:35.759
<v Speaker 2>and forth, I'm not sure what that is, if he's

0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:37.799
<v Speaker 2>trying to catch you off guard or not. But one

0:49:37.800 --> 0:49:39.440
<v Speaker 2>thing that vou did tell me, and I've learned from

0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:41.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot of men in our lives and things you know,

0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:43.759
<v Speaker 2>guys in passing, is that men always have a plan

0:49:43.800 --> 0:49:45.000
<v Speaker 2>and they always know when they're going to.

0:49:45.040 --> 0:49:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Do it, not not knowing men no no, no, no no, no, don't.

0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Don't don't do that all is a very strong one

0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:56.520
<v Speaker 2>who I've spoken to and included said that men, good goodness,

0:49:56.520 --> 0:49:59.759
<v Speaker 2>good men who have good intentions, yes, a plan, who

0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:04.640
<v Speaker 2>have a plan for your future as a collective, they

0:50:04.800 --> 0:50:08.040
<v Speaker 2>essentially know how they're trying to roll things out, whether

0:50:08.080 --> 0:50:11.680
<v Speaker 2>it's saving money for ring, saving money for a potential wedding,

0:50:11.719 --> 0:50:13.040
<v Speaker 2>saving money for a life.

0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:15.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, so there's.

0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:17.880
<v Speaker 2>A possibility there that that's what he's doing. Now. I

0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:20.880
<v Speaker 2>think it's worth if anything, a conversation to say, hey, babe,

0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:23.000
<v Speaker 2>like you've been teasing me a little bit, like what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on here? Are you really wanting to get married?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you really thinking seriously about this proposal? And a

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<v Speaker 2>girl just sit tight.

0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:36.879
<v Speaker 3>Tight because you said you wouldn't want to get married before.

0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:39.680
<v Speaker 2>So maybe he's warming up to the marriage idea, or

0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:42.600
<v Speaker 2>maybe this is his way of finding out, giving little

0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:44.680
<v Speaker 2>jokes to see how you would react to it.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's let's remember we talked about understanding your partner

0:50:47.880 --> 0:50:52.040
<v Speaker 1>in history, right she said she's never seen a healthy marriage.

0:50:52.360 --> 0:50:55.360
<v Speaker 1>He's never seen a healthy marriage, So if he's considering

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<v Speaker 1>getting married, he doesn't even know how to ask you.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe the Joe is a way. I almost said your

0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:04.040
<v Speaker 3>last name was Ellis. But you know it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Just to see if you like what you might say,

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<v Speaker 2>because if you.

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<v Speaker 1>Say that, then maybe he's like, yo, she do want

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<v Speaker 1>to get married? Or you say it could be Yellis

0:51:11.960 --> 0:51:13.880
<v Speaker 1>and you like, I ain't marrying you? That he know

0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:16.360
<v Speaker 1>not to propose, you know what I'm saying, Like, maybe

0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:19.040
<v Speaker 1>he's trying to figure it out because she already said

0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:21.759
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't know how to be exact in a relationship.

0:51:21.800 --> 0:51:22.520
<v Speaker 3>And they both don't.

0:51:22.560 --> 0:51:26.399
<v Speaker 2>And his intent maybe to gauge, you know, temperature check

0:51:26.960 --> 0:51:30.319
<v Speaker 2>how you're feeling, but it's impacting you in the wrong way.

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<v Speaker 3>That's way because now.

0:51:31.520 --> 0:51:33.439
<v Speaker 2>Like now, I'm frustrated and I don't know what he's

0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:35.840
<v Speaker 2>doing because he's not he's not being straightforward with me.

0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:37.560
<v Speaker 2>But a serious conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>Crazy is she.

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<v Speaker 1>Went from not wanting to ever get married right to

0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:46.200
<v Speaker 1>him making a joke to her now wanting to marry

0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:49.440
<v Speaker 1>somebody else. How you went from not wanting to be married,

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<v Speaker 1>so now he made a joke and now you're just

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<v Speaker 1>ready to marry now, she said, I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>give him an ultimatum, but he needs to hurry up.

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<v Speaker 2>What what like the ultimatum? I gave the vow, which

0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:01.880
<v Speaker 2>he says an ultimatum, and it wasn't an ultimatum, but

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<v Speaker 2>he took it as such.

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<v Speaker 3>Shit or get off the pot is like literally an ultimatum.

0:52:06.480 --> 0:52:09.840
<v Speaker 2>But I did not say that. Okay, I told you

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<v Speaker 2>I was moving back to New York so that way

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<v Speaker 2>I can pursue my career, and.

0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Because you wasn't my wife, you would have to move on.

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<v Speaker 1>If that's an ultimatum, No.

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<v Speaker 2>It was telling you to get. You decide what gets

0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:31.600
<v Speaker 2>the impactful and intentional simultaneously, sir, So let me ask question.

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<v Speaker 2>At least you knew what she wanted to do after that,

0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Because here we are, let.

0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:37.000
<v Speaker 3>Me ask a serious question, all right.

0:52:37.640 --> 0:52:41.239
<v Speaker 1>If a young lady asked Jackson, Jackson, Look, they've been

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<v Speaker 1>dating for a while, and Jackson is playing some things

0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:45.920
<v Speaker 1>and he's trying to get some things in order, and

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<v Speaker 1>she says, look, Jackson, I'm leaving. I'm moving back to

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<v Speaker 1>my hometown to figure it out because you take it

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<v Speaker 1>too long. Would you take that as an ultimatum or

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<v Speaker 1>say I didn't say you.

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<v Speaker 2>Were taking too long.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you literally said to me, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be your living girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to make a decision or I'm moving on.

0:53:02.440 --> 0:53:04.359
<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't say I was moving on in life.

0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:08.040
<v Speaker 2>I said I was moving back to New York my career.

0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:10.439
<v Speaker 2>You could have came and find me in New York

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<v Speaker 2>if you wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>So what you're saying it was you was you also

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<v Speaker 1>you still wanted to be in a relationship. You just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be in a relationship long distance because I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't proposed yet.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I wanted to know what you were serious about doing,

0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:23.479
<v Speaker 2>and in the meantime, while you were figuring it out,

0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:26.799
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't gonna be stagnant in Detroit. I was gonna

0:53:26.840 --> 0:53:28.719
<v Speaker 2>go to New York to pursue my career. Get out

0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:30.280
<v Speaker 2>my camera, Get out my camera.

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<v Speaker 3>Came you don't want to take no accountability for this ultimatum.

0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:36.320
<v Speaker 3>She gave me.

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<v Speaker 2>Ultimatum. You can call it an ultimatum. It was me

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<v Speaker 2>moving forward with the plans I had for my career

0:53:44.280 --> 0:53:46.200
<v Speaker 2>because I felt like I had invested enough time in

0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Detroit not doing anything.

0:53:47.920 --> 0:53:49.560
<v Speaker 1>So you saying to me you didn't want to be

0:53:49.640 --> 0:53:53.160
<v Speaker 1>my living girlfriend and you was moving on doesn't make

0:53:53.200 --> 0:53:54.520
<v Speaker 1>that appear like an ultimatum.

0:53:54.600 --> 0:53:56.399
<v Speaker 2>You gotta say the whole thing. I was moving, not

0:53:56.440 --> 0:53:58.799
<v Speaker 2>moving on from you. I was moving back to New

0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:01.399
<v Speaker 2>York to pursue my career. And you could have came

0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:03.600
<v Speaker 2>and got me in New York, and you could have

0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:05.440
<v Speaker 2>moved back to New York once you were done with

0:54:05.480 --> 0:54:07.240
<v Speaker 2>the football and stuff, and then we could have continued

0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:07.920
<v Speaker 2>our relationship.

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<v Speaker 5>Then, no matter how you spun it, it was I'm

0:54:14.000 --> 0:54:18.399
<v Speaker 5>leaving because of my own personal reasons, and you either

0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:20.440
<v Speaker 5>get with the program or you come with me.

0:54:20.760 --> 0:54:21.920
<v Speaker 3>Was that not what it was?

0:54:22.960 --> 0:54:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was.

0:54:23.760 --> 0:54:26.880
<v Speaker 3>Does that not sound like an ultimatum? People? Can we

0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:27.680
<v Speaker 3>not do this?

0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Like? Like, can we not do back away from my camera?

0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Thank you? I pretty much knew that I needed to

0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:38.000
<v Speaker 2>move on with my career because I was sitting in

0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Detroit with you, being of service to you when I

0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:44.319
<v Speaker 2>was not even your wife. Yet I had put in

0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:45.000
<v Speaker 2>some years.

0:54:45.640 --> 0:54:47.279
<v Speaker 3>Okay, you'd only want to put in years. I didn't

0:54:47.280 --> 0:54:47.919
<v Speaker 3>put in no years.

0:54:48.000 --> 0:54:49.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you were also pursuing your career, so why

0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:50.680
<v Speaker 2>can I pursue mine?

0:54:50.719 --> 0:54:52.680
<v Speaker 3>But I was also acting as your husband.

0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:55.160
<v Speaker 1>I was paying all of your bills, I was paying

0:54:55.160 --> 0:54:57.440
<v Speaker 1>for your car, I was buying your clothes.

0:54:57.600 --> 0:54:58.320
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely I was.

0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:01.759
<v Speaker 1>I was doing all the things that a husband was doing, right,

0:55:02.200 --> 0:55:04.319
<v Speaker 1>But you just said you put in years like you

0:55:04.480 --> 0:55:06.440
<v Speaker 1>was doing stuff a wife was and I wasn't.

0:55:06.760 --> 0:55:09.920
<v Speaker 2>No, at that time, I was getting pressure from my parents.

0:55:10.320 --> 0:55:12.520
<v Speaker 2>What's going on with your career? What's going on with

0:55:12.520 --> 0:55:13.920
<v Speaker 2>your reason?

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<v Speaker 1>The reason why you gave me an ultimatum? Don't say

0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:22.120
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't ultimatum, but it was. Look, Deval, I'm leaving

0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:26.279
<v Speaker 1>you either proposed or you come back to New York

0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:27.880
<v Speaker 1>with me, because I'm not gonna be your.

0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Could have came to New York and propose the New

0:55:29.320 --> 0:55:30.000
<v Speaker 2>York like you did.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, you're right, But either way, that's an ultimatum.

0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:35.239
<v Speaker 1>When you tell someone I'm leaving or do this, that

0:55:35.400 --> 0:55:36.279
<v Speaker 1>is an ultimatum.

0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:36.600
<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I know women have, you know, trouble, like with things

0:55:40.280 --> 0:55:45.279
<v Speaker 1>like accountability. I get that, but come on, like, we

0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:48.200
<v Speaker 1>got people who'll be watching us that you gotta be honest. Bro,

0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:51.600
<v Speaker 1>you can't tell that woman like you literally said to

0:55:51.680 --> 0:55:55.000
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the thing, sit tight, hold your horses.

0:55:55.040 --> 0:55:56.400
<v Speaker 3>You told her that I was sitting tight.

0:55:56.480 --> 0:55:58.279
<v Speaker 2>It's what I would have been, sitting tight in New

0:55:58.360 --> 0:55:59.680
<v Speaker 2>York pursuing my career.

0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:03.239
<v Speaker 1>All right, all right, you know what this is this

0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Watch growth, Watch growth, watch growthod you got it, babe.

0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:12.160
<v Speaker 2>See my intent to let you know I was going

0:56:12.160 --> 0:56:12.680
<v Speaker 2>back to New York.

0:56:12.719 --> 0:56:12.959
<v Speaker 3>Didn't.

0:56:13.120 --> 0:56:15.279
<v Speaker 2>I didn't think it was impacting you as an ultimatum.

0:56:15.600 --> 0:56:17.359
<v Speaker 2>I was just letting you know what my plan was

0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:18.080
<v Speaker 2>for my career.

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<v Speaker 3>The impact is definitely an ultimatum.

0:56:20.480 --> 0:56:23.279
<v Speaker 1>It was an ultimatum, pack all right, it was, and

0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:25.480
<v Speaker 1>it was because it impacted me in a way where

0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:26.880
<v Speaker 1>I was like, shit, I'm about to lose her.

0:56:26.960 --> 0:56:29.080
<v Speaker 3>I ain't trying to lose this, so let me get

0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:29.680
<v Speaker 3>on my horse.

0:56:29.760 --> 0:56:33.760
<v Speaker 1>So I proposed, I personally don't think all ultimatums are bad.

0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:36.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't, but I do think if you're giving someone

0:56:36.880 --> 0:56:40.360
<v Speaker 1>ultimate an ultimatum without providing them with a way to

0:56:40.600 --> 0:56:42.680
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, like, I think that that's bad.

0:56:43.880 --> 0:56:46.399
<v Speaker 1>I will still staying ten toes down with the fact

0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:47.799
<v Speaker 1>that you gave me an ultimatum.

0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:49.840
<v Speaker 3>You're not gonna talk me off of that. That's the

0:56:49.880 --> 0:56:51.319
<v Speaker 3>hell I'm willing to die on.

0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:53.879
<v Speaker 2>That's fine, but my heels, I.

0:56:53.840 --> 0:56:57.160
<v Speaker 1>Will say, you were never wishy washy. The problem with

0:56:57.200 --> 0:57:00.719
<v Speaker 1>me with ultimatums is that people be wishy washy. For example,

0:57:01.520 --> 0:57:03.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't really want to get married. I don't know

0:57:03.280 --> 0:57:07.279
<v Speaker 1>about relationships. I haven't seen healthy relationships. D He better

0:57:07.360 --> 0:57:09.399
<v Speaker 1>hurry up because I'm getting tired. You know what I'm saying.

0:57:09.400 --> 0:57:12.160
<v Speaker 1>It's like you can't give someone an ultimatum or say

0:57:12.160 --> 0:57:15.239
<v Speaker 1>you don't. You were very clear, you said, Nigga, I

0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:17.040
<v Speaker 1>want to be married. I don't want to be your

0:57:17.080 --> 0:57:19.160
<v Speaker 1>living We knew that was.

0:57:19.120 --> 0:57:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Always that was always my trajectory.

0:57:20.840 --> 0:57:23.480
<v Speaker 3>When it came to you it's still an ultimatum.

0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:28.520
<v Speaker 2>All right, y'all. I don't like that ultimatum, y'all. I

0:57:28.560 --> 0:57:30.920
<v Speaker 2>gave the an ultimatum. I can't even say with a

0:57:30.920 --> 0:57:36.480
<v Speaker 2>straight face because it's not accurate anyway.

0:57:35.160 --> 0:57:38.320
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna take you. We're gonna ask this at the

0:57:38.400 --> 0:57:40.520
<v Speaker 1>end of the at the end of the episode, sure will.

0:57:40.560 --> 0:57:43.560
<v Speaker 2>I want you to come here and tune in and

0:57:43.560 --> 0:57:44.320
<v Speaker 2>they can give.

0:57:44.200 --> 0:57:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Us let's go when we come. We come out of

0:57:46.480 --> 0:57:50.280
<v Speaker 1>this after show. We're talking about ultimates ultimat after show.

0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:52.680
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0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:54.720
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0:57:54.800 --> 0:57:55.920
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0:57:56.000 --> 0:57:58.000
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<v Speaker 2>All Right, moment of true time Today, we're talking impact

0:58:05.040 --> 0:58:09.280
<v Speaker 2>versus intent, particularly when it comes to familial relationships and

0:58:09.320 --> 0:58:11.560
<v Speaker 2>going into the holidays and what that's going to look

0:58:11.680 --> 0:58:14.560
<v Speaker 2>like for everyone. Because I know that there's people who

0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:17.200
<v Speaker 2>experience a lot of anxiety around this time of year

0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:19.920
<v Speaker 2>for a number of reasons when it comes to family,

0:58:20.200 --> 0:58:22.560
<v Speaker 2>but particularly having to gather together. So what's your moment

0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:25.000
<v Speaker 2>true Because you have some of you right, you were

0:58:25.040 --> 0:58:27.240
<v Speaker 2>feeling it in that already papers.

0:58:27.280 --> 0:58:29.120
<v Speaker 1>If you're on your way driving to work, don't write

0:58:29.120 --> 0:58:30.160
<v Speaker 1>this down, just listen to it.

0:58:30.240 --> 0:58:31.200
<v Speaker 3>You listen back, all right.

0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:37.200
<v Speaker 1>The thin line that exists between creating a boundary or

0:58:37.240 --> 0:58:43.320
<v Speaker 1>extending a grace exists with intent. That's how you decide

0:58:43.320 --> 0:58:45.640
<v Speaker 1>whether you're going to give grace or create a boundary.

0:58:45.720 --> 0:58:49.920
<v Speaker 2>That's a bar in, a thin line between boundary and grace.

0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Is intent is intense. If you can, if you can

0:58:53.720 --> 0:58:58.880
<v Speaker 1>use discernments to decipher whether that person was being truthful

0:58:59.320 --> 0:59:01.520
<v Speaker 1>and genuine about their feelings and how they were going

0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:04.800
<v Speaker 1>to deal with you, extend grace. If that person was

0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:08.480
<v Speaker 1>being manipulative and malicious and was trying to hurt you,

0:59:09.000 --> 0:59:11.760
<v Speaker 1>create a boundary. It's all about the intent as long

0:59:11.840 --> 0:59:15.600
<v Speaker 1>as you can use discernment to figure it out. Create

0:59:15.680 --> 0:59:18.120
<v Speaker 1>grace or give grace. I mean, create a boundary or

0:59:18.120 --> 0:59:22.000
<v Speaker 1>give grace. Here's the crazy part. If you can't discern

0:59:22.280 --> 0:59:25.920
<v Speaker 1>create a boundary, think about it. If you sit down

0:59:25.920 --> 0:59:27.440
<v Speaker 1>with this person, you're like, I don't know if this

0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:30.840
<v Speaker 1>person is being intention on something, I'll create a boundary.

0:59:30.880 --> 0:59:32.480
<v Speaker 3>If I don't know, boundary create.

0:59:32.840 --> 0:59:35.919
<v Speaker 2>You know what's funny? That kind of made me think

0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:37.560
<v Speaker 2>of what I was going to say, and for me,

0:59:37.720 --> 0:59:40.439
<v Speaker 2>my moment of truth was like, at some point in life,

0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:43.880
<v Speaker 2>you reach the point where you realize that the family

0:59:44.000 --> 0:59:47.680
<v Speaker 2>that you exist in is sometimes that nuclear family that

0:59:47.760 --> 0:59:52.240
<v Speaker 2>you created, and sometimes it's okay to protect your peace

0:59:52.680 --> 0:59:55.520
<v Speaker 2>and not have to cater to and run behind everybody

0:59:55.560 --> 0:59:56.600
<v Speaker 2>in what they facts.

0:59:56.840 --> 0:59:57.320
<v Speaker 3>Facts.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true, because like that's true what you said, and

1:00:01.120 --> 1:00:03.360
<v Speaker 2>the point of this episode. Of course, we're always going

1:00:03.440 --> 1:00:06.040
<v Speaker 2>to err on the side of being the bigger person,

1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:07.800
<v Speaker 2>or at least trying to be the person the foster

1:00:07.920 --> 1:00:12.560
<v Speaker 2>that communication between relationships, whether it's you know, romantic relationships

1:00:12.640 --> 1:00:15.520
<v Speaker 2>or family relationships. But sometimes you reach a point where

1:00:15.520 --> 1:00:19.360
<v Speaker 2>you realize, like some relationships ran its course, and that's okay,

1:00:19.480 --> 1:00:21.600
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying with family members, even because

1:00:21.920 --> 1:00:24.040
<v Speaker 2>as you get older. One thing that I've realized as

1:00:24.080 --> 1:00:27.160
<v Speaker 2>I got older, just because someone is an actual family

1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:32.680
<v Speaker 2>member meaning aunt, cousin, you know, grandparent, it doesn't negate

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that maybe y'all don't see the eye to eye.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's just not a person that you would even

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<v Speaker 2>converse with or hang with on a regular basis because

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<v Speaker 2>you just have a difference of opinions you don't stand

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<v Speaker 2>for the same things, and realizing that that's okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No one's entitled to your time, that's okay yeah, or

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<v Speaker 1>your space or your energy, right, and you're not. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not entitled to anyone else's so you got to

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that too. You may be on the receiving end

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<v Speaker 1>of that from someone and have to say, you know what, you.

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<v Speaker 2>May exactly just go out gracefully, don't give no ultimatums

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<v Speaker 2>and nothing. Just say hey, you got it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can give me ultimatum, I'm gonna remove me, or

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<v Speaker 1>you can give an ultimatum and call it something very different.

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<v Speaker 3>People tend to do that at times too, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>just so you know.

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