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Speaker 3: But enough with that, let's get to the show.

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Speaker 4: Everything.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 3: for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal, Indeed we do.

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Speaker 1: We've got some breaking news this morning. It looks like

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Speaker 1: we are headed to a Hollywood wide shutdown, so we

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Speaker 1: will bring you all of those details. We've also got

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Speaker 1: some big numbers coming out about inflation and wages that

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Speaker 1: we definitely want to break down for you. We've also

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Speaker 1: got the highlights for you from a pretty blockbuster hearing

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Speaker 1: yesterday with FBI director Christopher ray so we'll give you

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Speaker 1: some of those details. Ray Epps is going forward with

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Speaker 1: a lawsuit against Fox News, so we will break that

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Speaker 1: down for it probably end in the settlement, but we

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Speaker 1: will find out. Also, we had talked to you before

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Speaker 1: about how Fox News seem to be not as like

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Speaker 1: warm and fuzzy towards Ron DeSantis, And now there are

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Speaker 1: multiple outlets reporting that the Murdochs are considering turning and

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Speaker 1: moving on to other candidates. At the same time, we've

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Speaker 1: got a whole rash of new instances of Scotis corruption,

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Speaker 5: The whole damn court seems to be totally corrupt.

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Speaker 1: And we have, for the second time in the week,

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Speaker 1: have to cover some Morning Joe comments that were really

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Speaker 1: now this is a big deal, got a panel in

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Speaker 1: we all feel about Jonah Hill's comments to his ex

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Speaker 1: girlfriend his conduct. So we've convened a panel we are going.

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Speaker 5: To discuss it.

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Speaker 1: I figure we'll just settle it here and that way

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Speaker 1: to the next controversy.

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Speaker 3: That's right, we've all been embroiled in it. We might

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Speaker 3: as well just put our cards all out. It's just

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Speaker 3: a fun Thursday thing that we're all going to get.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, all right, so let's go ahead and start with

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Speaker 1: that breaking news this morning. As I said, it does

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Speaker 1: look like Hollywood is heading to their first industry wide

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Speaker 1: strike in sixty three years. So Sag afterra, that's the

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Speaker 1: Actors Union said at nearly one am Pacific time on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: the negotiations with Hollywood Studios over a new contract had collapsed.

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Speaker 1: Their negotiating board has unanimously voted to recommend a strike.

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Speaker 1: They are meeting this morning nine am Pacific time, so

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Speaker 1: that's noon Eastern for a final strike vote authorization. So

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Speaker 1: it looks like the actors are going to join the

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Speaker 1: writers who have already been out on strike for about

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Speaker 1: three months. You know, this is a huge deal in

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Speaker 1: increasing labor militancy. As I said, was back in Marilyn

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Speaker 1: The endgame is to allow things to drag on until

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Speaker 1: Deadline also spoke with other unnamed insider sources that confirmed

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Speaker 1: But you know, those pieces also just pay and other

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Speaker 2: It's a historic event. Fun fact, as my memory was

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Speaker 6: A man named Ronald Reagan was.

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Speaker 2: The president of the Screen Actors Guild ahead of the

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Speaker 2: and that actually had to do with residuals in terms

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Speaker 2: history really does rhyme and kind of repeat itself in

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Speaker 2: this way. As you said, I believe that one of

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Speaker 2: and they've seen now a huge alliance with so many

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Speaker 2: all of this content, we have to reclaim some sort

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Speaker 2: going to be specifically doing something completely different than was

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Speaker 2: originally agreed upon. You know, I really think about HBO

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Speaker 5: Horrible brand, horrible brand that sounds like cinemat Let's.

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Speaker 2: Take the you know, let's take the best prestige TV

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Speaker 2: no reasons. That's a whole other interesting thing, But this

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Speaker 2: So Christopher Nolan and all of these other people had

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Speaker 2: They're like, I signed up to be the number one

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Speaker 3: And they believe that it cheap in the movie experience.

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Speaker 2: Many times they manufacture the actual movie itself without the

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Speaker 2: how they get paid. This is why Scarlett Johansson was

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Speaker 3: I think it was Black Widow, terrible movie.

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Speaker 2: But beside the point, the thing is that compensation, the

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Speaker 2: you know, this really is about technology and about the future.

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Speaker 2: Just like the last screen actor strike, Yeah, happened in

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Speaker 5: That's that is exactly right.

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Speaker 1: And just to read you a little bit of how

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Speaker 5: This is from the New York Times.

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Speaker 1: They write that their demands mirror a lot of the

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Speaker 1: also wants new regulations regarding self taped auditions, a pandemic

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Speaker 1: You have to think that the fact that the actors

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Speaker 1: So it's quite an interesting development, magnificant.

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Speaker 2: It's personally a tragedy, you know, just because so much

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Speaker 2: prestige content is now effectively going to be on hold.

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Speaker 3: Can you believe that?

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Speaker 2: original slate. But that's just that, I mean, so many streaming.

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Speaker 2: but fortunately for us, there will be even more of

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Speaker 2: I will say, let's all enjoy the Oppenheimer Barbie double

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Speaker 1: We have it.

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Speaker 2: hear what you guys think of all of that as well.

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, all right, well, let's go ahead and get

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Speaker 1: into the new economic numbers, which fits very closely with

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Speaker 1: this story, because of course, the overall landscape of the

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Speaker 1: economy really impacts how much power labor has in these

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Speaker 1: types of negotiations. So I'm actually good news in the

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Speaker 1: new inflation numbers, quite a significant drop. This shows, you know,

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Speaker 1: perhaps maybe the Federal Reserve can quit trying to crush

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Speaker 1: the economy and put everybody out of work because inflation

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Speaker 1: is in fact cooling. Slowed sharply in June to its

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Speaker 1: lowest pace in more than two years. Consumer Price Index

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Speaker 1: increase three percent in June relative to a year earlier.

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Speaker 1: That's a slow down from four percent in May. We've

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Speaker 1: got some numbers here about exactly where that inflation is

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Speaker 1: on the screen. This is from Heatherlong on the on

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Speaker 1: the I guess it's on your screen the right hand

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Speaker 1: see the drop off that came in June. That's quite

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Speaker 1: a significant, you know development. But if you look into

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Speaker 1: big part of it. Plus eight point three percent in

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Speaker 1: seven point seven percent in the past year. Car maintenance

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Speaker 8: How many individuals were either FBI employees or people that

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Speaker 9: So I really need to be careful here talking about

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Speaker 8: were very dangerous and that there were others inciting individuals

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Speaker 8: to enter the capital after others broke windows.

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Speaker 6: So I think that the best point there, Crystal is.

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Speaker 3: It's been two years we got it, like you know

445
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Speaker 3: at this point, whether there's more than one or not.

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Speaker 2: There's also I found in a little bit later questioning

447
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Speaker 2: there was a parsing around agents and undercover employees, which

448
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Speaker 2: is a little bit of a dodge. They're like, well,

449
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Speaker 2: there were no FBI agents involved. I'm like, well, first

450
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Speaker 2: of all, let's see about that. Let's find out. But

451
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Speaker 2: the core allocation from very the beginning has really been

452
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Speaker 2: also about informants and about people who were developed confidentially

453
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Speaker 2: as well. I mean, from that it's almost certain considering

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Speaker 2: we know from the court filings that have come out

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Speaker 2: around the Proud Boys in Rico Tario, around the oath

456
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Speaker 2: Keepers as well, like who was you know, who wasn't

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Speaker 2: a fed in some these organizations, And it also comes

458
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Speaker 2: to the core question, which I think is correct. Now, look,

459
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Speaker 2: let's not say that these people aren't acting in bad faith,

460
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Speaker 2: but they're like, well, if you guys had all this

461
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Speaker 2: info and you knew so much about what was going on,

462
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Speaker 2: how could you then have the debacle occur in which

463
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Speaker 2: you are so completely unprepared? That also is, you know,

464
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Speaker 2: fundamentally the core questions here around like was this a

465
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Speaker 2: screw up or does this justify, you know, basically incasing

466
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Speaker 2: the entire capital as a cage for several months and

467
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Speaker 2: spending half a billion.

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Speaker 3: Dollars on National Guard deployment.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think that's why they're so reluctant to

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Speaker 1: answer any of these questions. This is humiliating for that

472
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Speaker 1: US that should be. I mean, they have all the

473
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Speaker 1: like fake plots that they invent and then swoop into

474
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Speaker 1: disrupt Gretchen Witmor kidnapping, I mean, throughout the War on

475
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Speaker 1: Terror and the way they would entrap young Muslims and

476
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Speaker 1: invent these plots and set them up so when you

477
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Speaker 1: had an actual threat and you had informants littered throughout

478
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Speaker 1: all of these organizations, and this is not a mystery

479
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Speaker 1: at this point. I mean we know this from as

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Speaker 1: you said, Saga the court filings with the Oath Keepers,

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Speaker 1: with the Proud Boys in particular. But we know that

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Speaker 1: the FEDS had informants throughout a number of these right

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Speaker 1: wing organizations that were involved in January sixth, and you

484
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Speaker 1: weren't able to disrupt what was an.

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Speaker 5: Actual violent threat.

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Speaker 1: That's humiliating and so to me, none of them at

487
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Speaker 1: this point the mystery is solved. The answer is they

488
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Speaker 1: had tons of informants they should have been able to know.

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Speaker 1: We know there's a ton of reporting about how these

490
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Speaker 1: informants were never asked about the activities of their own organizations.

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Speaker 1: A lot of what they were asked by the FEDS

492
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Speaker 1: was like, what do you know about Antifa, especially the

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Speaker 1: Proud Boys informants within their organization. There was no curiosity

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Speaker 1: about whether the Proud Boys themselves pose some sort of

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Speaker 1: a threat. It was all about like, oh, you've got

496
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Speaker 1: proximity to Antifa, tell us about that. And so meanwhile,

497
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Speaker 1: they completely missed this thing that's developing right underneath their

498
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Speaker 1: own noses. So I haven't seen any evidence that there's

499
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Speaker 1: like truth to this idea that this was some sort

500
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Speaker 1: of a false flag, and in part because again this

501
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Speaker 1: is nothing but embarrassing for the FBI and the deep

502
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Speaker 1: state that this was allowed to unfold, and they basically,

503
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Speaker 1: you know, had informants in the crowd that did not

504
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Speaker 1: tell them key details about what was going to happen exactly.

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Speaker 2: And there also was a really interesting moment where they

506
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Speaker 2: referenced some of the stuff that came out in the

507
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Speaker 2: Twitter files about FBI agent specifically flagging and taking things down,

508
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Speaker 2: censorship requests, flagging, or us that was directly brought to

509
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Speaker 2: his attention.

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Speaker 3: So here's what he had to say when he was

511
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Speaker 3: confronted over that.

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Speaker 11: The evidence shows you, your agency, the people that directly

513
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Speaker 11: report to you, suppressed conservative leaning pre speech about topics

514
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Speaker 11: like the laptop, the lab leak theory of COVID nineteen's origin,

515
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Speaker 11: the effectiveness of masking COVID nineteen lockdowns, and vaccines.

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Speaker 9: So what I would say is the FBI is not

517
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Speaker 9: in the business of moderating content or causing any social

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Speaker 9: media company to suppress or censor.

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Speaker 11: That is not what the court has found.

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Speaker 9: What I would also say is, among the things that

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Speaker 9: you listed off, I find ironic the reference to the

522
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Speaker 9: lab Leaku theory. The idea that the FBI would somehow

523
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Speaker 9: be involved in suppressing references to the lab Liak theory

524
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Speaker 9: is somewhat absurd when you consider the fact that the

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Speaker 9: FBI was the only the only agency in the entire

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Speaker 9: intelligence community to reach the assessment.

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Speaker 11: That it was more likely than not that that was

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Speaker 11: the explanation. But your agemic, your agents pulled it off

529
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Speaker 11: the shirt. That's what the evidence in the court has found.

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Speaker 2: So it's kind of an interesting little testy exchange. He's

531
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Speaker 2: not wrong in terms of when they talked about it,

532
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Speaker 2: but they didn't start talking about.

533
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Speaker 3: Ladleau until literally like two months ago.

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Speaker 2: So before that though, as the Congressman points to, given

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Speaker 2: what has been revealed in the court, and I know, yeah,

536
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Speaker 2: you guys did a great job on this the Supreme

537
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Speaker 2: Court case that came out around the Biden administration and

538
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Speaker 2: their ability to have censorship requests with social media companies,

539
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Speaker 2: which of course they're freaking out about already, which really

540
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Speaker 2: does tell you. But at its core, I mean, what

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Speaker 2: they are, what he is couching behind here is saying, well,

542
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Speaker 2: we don't censor anything.

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Speaker 3: We just strongly advise.

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Speaker 10: You take it down.

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Speaker 2: That's like, well, as we saw from the Twitter files,

546
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Speaker 2: FBI agent says, take down this shit posting account with

547
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Speaker 2: six followers saying that the elections on Wednesday. And at

548
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Speaker 2: a core level, you're like, why are we paying the

549
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Speaker 2: salary of something?

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Speaker 3: Right? Who is doing this? Furli? That's insane?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's yeah. There's multiple levels there.

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Speaker 1: There's first of all, the like disturbing dystopian surveillance and

553
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Speaker 1: like violation of First Amendment and all of those sorts

554
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Speaker 1: of pieces, and then when you actually look at the

555
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Speaker 1: tweets that they were flagging to be taken down, you're like,

556
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Speaker 1: this is what you're spending your time on.

557
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Speaker 5: Remember there's the one lady.

558
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Speaker 1: Who was like some resistance activists, who was pretending like

559
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Speaker 1: she said some snarky thing about like for everyone who

560
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Speaker 1: shows up without a mask, I'm going to change one

561
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Speaker 1: vote from Republican to Democrat. Like clearly a joke. She

562
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Speaker 1: had like five followers or something. It got two likes.

563
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Speaker 1: You know, this is a threat to national security. It's

564
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Speaker 1: just clown show stuff. But then also it's very serious

565
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: because of obviously, when these social media companies get a

566
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Speaker 1: strongly worded request from the FBI, the federal government, that's

567
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Speaker 1: going to carry a lot of weight with them. So

568
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Speaker 1: what you were referring to sober is there's a case

569
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Speaker 1: now filed by a number of attorneys general working its

570
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Speaker 1: way through the court system. One federal court judge found

571
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Speaker 1: that they actually issued an injunction that the Biden administration,

572
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Speaker 1: unless it is an actual issue of national security, can

573
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Speaker 1: no longer have these communications of just you know, nicely

574
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Speaker 1: suggesting a variety of tweets and users and whatever.

575
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Speaker 5: That need to be censored or block. So this is

576
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Speaker 5: very much a live issue.

577
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so.

578
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Speaker 2: Anyway, Look, the FBI director certainly get impressed there.

579
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Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting.

580
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Speaker 2: I do still though we need less grandstanding and more

581
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Speaker 2: like actual cooperation. That's the biggest problem is, Look, it's

582
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Speaker 2: great to see them grilled, and I think that's awesome,

583
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 2: but we have how many clips have we now played

584
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Speaker 2: in this show over two years of FBI director refuses

585
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Speaker 2: to answer around just like we got it. Look at

586
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Speaker 2: a certain point, like do the work and actually get

587
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: some of this stuff done or if they're not, you know,

588
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: hold them whatever. And contempt of Congress for refusing to

589
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,719
Speaker 2: provide some of this info because it's clear that like

590
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: everything just always plays out the same without any real

591
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: confirmation and confirmations with all the stuff that's actually important

592
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: to documents about the cases and all that. So anyway,

593
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Speaker 2: keep that in mind as we go to the next

594
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Speaker 2: story here, let's go and put this up there on

595
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Speaker 2: the screen.

596
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Speaker 3: Please.

597
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Speaker 2: Fox News finding themselves embroiled in another defamation suit. This one, though,

598
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 2: I think is pretty different. Arizona Man aka Ray Epps,

599
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 2: who I think viewers of the show will long know,

600
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Speaker 2: the Trump voter who was on tape multiple times urging

601
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Speaker 2: people to quote go into the Capitol before January sixth,

602
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Speaker 2: and on the day of January six is suing Fox

603
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Speaker 2: News and specifically the Tucker Carlston Tonight Show for falsely

604
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Speaker 2: naming him as a covert government agent who incited the

605
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Speaker 2: January sixth attack. Now, the details of this case are

606
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Speaker 2: actually very important because what Ray Epps is alleging is

607
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Speaker 2: defamation and public harm that was done to him as

608
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Speaker 2: a result of people who were effectively harassing him and

609
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Speaker 2: his family, which I do not condone and I do

610
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Speaker 2: not think is correct, but apparently that's what happened after

611
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Speaker 2: his name surface. He says that his wife and he

612
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Speaker 2: received numerous death threats and were forced to sell their

613
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Speaker 2: ranch and wedding business in Arizona and moved to a

614
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Speaker 2: mobile home in the mountains of Utah. The problem for

615
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Speaker 2: him is that whenever he was his core allegation by

616
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Speaker 2: the Tucker or also tonight by Revolver News and some

617
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Speaker 2: of the people who aired the initial allegations against Ray

618
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Speaker 2: Apps was this man is on tape multiple times trying

619
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Speaker 2: to get people to go into the capital. He has

620
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Speaker 2: not yet been charged by federal authorities, while QAnon Shaman

621
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Speaker 2: all these other folks are you know, not only in

622
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Speaker 2: prison at this point, but fully gone through the judicial system.

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Speaker 2: The reason why most people don't get charged is usually

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Speaker 2: that they are federal informants. So the question is was

625
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Speaker 2: he a federal informant? Now by focusing in on that,

626
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Speaker 2: you know, by someone who was created and posted on

627
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Speaker 2: wanted posters.

628
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Speaker 3: That was part of the other curiosity about this case.

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Speaker 2: Ray Apps was initially flagged as a cor instigator of

630
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Speaker 2: some of the violence or going into the capital and

631
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Speaker 2: then was taken off of FBI wanted posters afterwards. Was

632
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Speaker 2: what happened in this sudden change? You know, why was

633
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Speaker 2: he taken off these posters? Why was he not charged?

634
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Speaker 7: Well?

635
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Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, though in the actual lawsuit they mister Epps claims,

636
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Speaker 2: we don't know if this is true or not that

637
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: the Justice Department actually notified him. They are planning to

638
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Speaker 2: file criminal charges against him related to his role in

639
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Speaker 2: the capital attack quote. Details about the charges remain unknown,

640
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Speaker 2: but the fact that they are being filed undermines the

641
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Speaker 2: notion that Epps was being protected because of his role

642
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Speaker 2: as a supposed covert agent. So effectively, their defamation revolves

643
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Speaker 2: around the fact that he was falsely accused as an

644
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Speaker 2: alleged government informat government agent whatever you want to call it,

645
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Speaker 2: Y Tucker Carlson tonight, you know, on the show. In

646
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Speaker 2: terms of that speculation, I personally think this is spurious

647
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Speaker 2: and ridiculous Crystal At because number one, all it took

648
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Speaker 2: is a single like, First of all, Epps made himself

649
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Speaker 2: a public figure. He's on video, and the FBI also

650
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Speaker 2: made him one. So in terms of the private citizen defense,

651
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Speaker 2: I think is completely thrown out the window. And second,

652
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Speaker 2: as long as you say alleged and you ask a

653
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Speaker 2: question instead of a direct accusation, you're good. I mean

654
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Speaker 2: in terms of the court of law. That does not

655
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Speaker 2: mean though that they may not settle. They very much

656
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Speaker 2: could settle because they don't want to go through a trial.

657
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Speaker 2: But personally, I think you should take this man's ass

658
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Speaker 2: to trial because I want to know every single detail

659
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Speaker 2: about these folks to actually get him in all that

660
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: actual lawful deposition to see what's going on.

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Speaker 1: I think that's an actually important point. Yeah, because if

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Speaker 1: he was like you know, fed false flag instigator, then

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Speaker 1: I don't think he would be suing Fox News and

664
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Speaker 1: opening himself up to discovery. So and I also, so,

665
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Speaker 1: I asked, because you know, I'm not a defamation lawyer whatever.

666
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Speaker 1: So I asked the guy Mark Bankston, who was one

667
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Speaker 1: of the top lawyers for the Sandy Hook families in

668
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Speaker 1: their suit against Alex Jones, which you know was very successful.

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Speaker 5: And he said, and he told me I could say

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Speaker 5: this on the record.

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Speaker 1: Quote, the liability case against Fox is extraordinarily strong. Fox

672
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Speaker 1: broadcast teament saying Epps was quote the smoking gun of

673
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Speaker 1: the FED surrection, not alleged, not maybe not. I'm asking

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Speaker 1: a question, the smoking gun of the FED surrection. That's

675
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: clearly defamatory, and it's easy to prove his false Unlike

676
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: in prior cases involving Tucker, it's not easy for Fox

677
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: to defend this by saying it was only an opinion.

678
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: They were unquestionably making factual assertions about Epps. The next

679
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Speaker 1: thing he says, Apps will have to prove is Fox's

680
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: level of fault. If he was a public figure, he'd

681
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Speaker 1: have to prove actual malice. But Epps is just one

682
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Speaker 1: of one hundred and twenty thousand private citizens at the

683
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Speaker 1: Capitol that day. He is not a public figure, so

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Speaker 1: it only needs to prove Fox acting negligently under the

685
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Speaker 1: law that means Fox is liable if they failed to

686
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: act as a reasonably prudent publisher would act that as

687
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: bad news for Fox. And then he goes on to

688
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: sale'll have to prove that he has been damaged. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think. I don't think that there's

690
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Speaker 1: a problem there. So listen, what I ultimately think is

691
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Speaker 1: going to happen is they're probably going to settle. They

692
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Speaker 1: just settled with the Tucker former producer who would alleged

693
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Speaker 1: sexual hangrassmen. I think she got like twelve million dollars,

694
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: which for her is a lot for Fox News is nothing.

695
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: Do you really think that they're going to want to

696
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: open the kimono again and go through the whole process

697
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: again that they went through with dominion of all kinds

698
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Speaker 1: of embarrassing correspondents and emails and text messages and what

699
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: did this producer say and did they know that this.

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Speaker 5: Was bullshit, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: No, they're probably not going to want any of that happening,

702
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Speaker 1: So I am and they will probably settle here with

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Speaker 1: mister Ups because I do think that he has a

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Speaker 1: decent case.

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Speaker 2: I did not realize that they had called him the

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Speaker 2: smoking gun, because yeah, I mean, we always do it

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Speaker 2: the same thing. You gotta say a leged that's just

708
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Speaker 2: one of the most basic, especially whenever you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: This public figure.

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Speaker 2: Though, I really, you know, I think that on that one,

711
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Speaker 2: just saying that you're one of one hundred and twenty

712
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: thousand like that, that doesn't really pass scrutiny. Whenever he

713
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: was literally on an FBI wanted poster and made himself

714
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Speaker 2: a core part of it by shouting constantly on video

715
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Speaker 2: and knowing that he was being filmed at the time.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, we can quibble about this all day long.

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Speaker 2: Is he an actor?

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Speaker 3: No, you know.

719
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Speaker 2: But at the same time, I believe there have been

720
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Speaker 2: multiple cases in the past where witnesses and participants and

721
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Speaker 2: big events have been declared public figures after they later

722
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Speaker 2: on tried to sue for defamation, specifically like this, and

723
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Speaker 2: the reason but was it was like, well, you know,

724
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Speaker 2: even though it is no fault of your own, you

725
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Speaker 2: became one whenever you became involved in the case. We'll

726
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Speaker 2: see how it all plays out. As you said, though,

727
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Speaker 2: the reason why I think the only reason he has

728
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Speaker 2: a good case is reputationally. Murdock and them, they just

729
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Speaker 2: want to wash their hands with this. They don't want

730
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Speaker 2: to deal with it anymore. So they're willing to pay

731
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Speaker 2: somebody to shut up and walk away. They already paid

732
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Speaker 2: out a billion dollars on this dominion voting system. They

733
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Speaker 2: just paid twelve million to this former Tucker producer. To them,

734
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: you know, one of the reasons that they fired him

735
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Speaker 2: was because they didn't want to deal with this stuff anymore.

736
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Speaker 3: And to them, they want to walk away.

737
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Speaker 2: So you know, for them, he very much could get

738
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Speaker 2: a very big payday from him, So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: And reportedly Ruper Murdock really hated the Tucker January sixte.

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Speaker 3: I was going to say, and Rupert in particular was

741
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Speaker 3: very upset.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I mean the whole like you know,

743
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Speaker 1: fed surrection documentary quote unquote thing the Tucker did. Apparently

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Speaker 1: they didn't like he was what was he about to

745
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Speaker 1: do an interview with someone? I was about to do

746
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Speaker 1: some additional commentary on that just before he was fired.

747
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Speaker 1: And then if you just look at the business piece,

748
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, he was named in the dominion lawsuit. He's

749
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Speaker 1: named in the smarmatic lawsuit. His former producer was suing

750
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Speaker 1: for sexual harassment. The Ray Epps thing was already hanging

751
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: out out there that they expected a lawsuit on that

752
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: front as well. So you know, when you start getting

753
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Speaker 1: wrapped up in multi tens one hundred million dollar lawsuits,

754
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: then the fact that you generate great ratings ends up

755
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Speaker 1: being less consequential, especially.

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Speaker 5: Because there were a lot of advertisers.

757
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Speaker 1: Who would no longer place their ads during his program,

758
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Speaker 1: so it becomes less financially lucrative. So you can sort

759
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Speaker 1: of put all these pieces together and see why they

760
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: were like, all right, we're done here.

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Speaker 3: Well, we'll see how it plays out.

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Speaker 5: Yes, speaking of the Murdoch what you got for us?

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go in and put this up there

764
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: on the screen. This is pretty interesting in terms of

765
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Speaker 2: the proclivities of billionaires and why you never really want

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Speaker 2: to make sure that you are aligned with them. The Murdochs,

767
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Speaker 2: the king makers of conservative media are starting to lose

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Speaker 2: confidence in Ron DeSantis.

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Speaker 3: This was reported by Rolling Stone.

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Speaker 2: Now normally I would not just rely on Rolling Stone,

771
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Speaker 2: but one of the reasons why I think that you

772
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Speaker 2: can take this to the bank is that the Murdochs,

773
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Speaker 2: and clearly the people around them are basically leaking this

774
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Speaker 2: to anybody who will listen, go in and put the

775
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Speaker 2: next one up there. Literally almost an hour after that

776
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Speaker 2: story posted, another one was posted by The New York

777
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: Times saying, quote, DeSantis confronts a Murdoch empire. No longer

778
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Speaker 2: quite so supportive. The Florida governor face tough questions, as

779
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Speaker 2: we noted from Fox News in outlets, in a sign

780
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Speaker 2: of growing skepticism. Furthermore, Crystal mister Murdoch quote has privately

781
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Speaker 2: told people he would like to see Governor Glenn Youngkin

782
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Speaker 2: of Virginia enter the race, according to a person with

783
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Speaker 2: knowledge of his remarks, and he has made clear in

784
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Speaker 2: private discussions that he thinks Trump, despite his popularity with

785
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Speaker 2: Fox News viewers, is unhealthy for the Republican Party. And

786
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Speaker 2: I think when you can put these two things together,

787
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: you are actually seeing a growing trend of a lot

788
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: of these billionaires are just the most fickle people on earth.

789
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Speaker 2: I mean, just earlier today, I was looking at a

790
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: story top donors are starting to sour on DeSantis and

791
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Speaker 2: looking at Governor Tim's our former current Senator Tim Scott,

792
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Speaker 2: you also see people like Ken Griffin, who I've noted

793
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Speaker 2: here before and shows you again how ridiculous these people are. Griffin,

794
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: you know, makes it known months ago, I've got a

795
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: blank check for Ron desandis I'll never want for money.

796
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Speaker 2: Now it's like Ken Griffin's eye is beginning to watch

797
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 2: for real. Oh yeah, I mean, these are fickle people.

798
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: They have no loyalty. They their ideology is you know,

799
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 2: ridiculous at best. They're already you know, all they care

800
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: about is lower taxes. They thought DeSantis, you know DeSantis,

801
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 2: you know he's the guy who will get it done

802
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: for us.

803
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 3: He's just not so mean as Trump.

804
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 2: And now you know, at the moment that they think

805
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: that you're not doing well, they really have no loyalty whatsoever.

806
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: So the Murdock problem is a much bigger billionaire problem

807
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: that I think Ron DeSantis has right now.

808
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's disgusting the way that these people just

809
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: like play with the whole nation like it's their play things,

810
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, and they think that they're king makers and whatever,

811
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: even though I mean it's really not even money. Apology

812
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: is still a big problem, especially at the lower levels,

813
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: but at the presidential level. I mean, you know, Ken

814
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: Grivin could write his billion dollar check to Ronda Santis

815
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: or whatever, and I don't think that it would get

816
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: him across the finish line. But the reason that I

817
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of confidence in this reporting too,

818
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: is because you can see the signs of it all

819
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: over the Murdock properties we covered here.

820
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 5: How Will Caine and then Maria.

821
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Speaker 1: Bartiromo just basically, you know, confronted DeSantis with what's going

822
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: on with your poll numbers, buddy, which really contrasted with

823
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: the treatment that he got early in the campaign where

824
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: it was nothing but puff pieces. You remember, he was

825
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: like playing softball with Was it one of the Fox

826
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: and Friends who kill meat? I think it was, And

827
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: he was getting this unbelievable, I mean, embarrassingly friendly write

828
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 1: up from Selena's veto in the New York Post, and it's.

829
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Speaker 5: Just puff piece after puff piece.

830
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Speaker 1: They would go out in the wilderness and do their

831
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: best to find like a few Ronda Santis supporters to

832
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: be like, we're done with Trump, we love Rondo Santis now.

833
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: So the fact that they've turned is becoming increasingly apparent,

834
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: both on Fox News. They also note in this Rolling

835
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: Stone piece the editorial pages of news courts newspapers, which

836
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Speaker 1: they say are often important tea leaves for divining the

837
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: Murdoch Famili's political wishes. They've taken recent jabs at DeSantis.

838
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 5: New York Post editorial board, which.

839
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: Once hailed Dasantis as the candidate who gives America the

840
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: chance to move on from its punch drunk stupor, they

841
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: begun to look askance at Dysantis. They curated pieces expressing

842
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: skepticism at quote DeSantis's odd choices to criticize Trump Supreme

843
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: Court picks and to be too online in his constant

844
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: culture war crusading. So part of I mean, the biggest

845
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: thing that happened here is just the poles aren't good

846
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: and so they're looking at it and they're like, you know,

847
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: you don't look like a winner to me. And then

848
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other justifications of like, oh, we

849
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: don't like your position on this or that, or you've

850
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: taken too heart of a turn on culture war issues.

851
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: But I think the bottom line is if he was

852
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 1: committed to cutting their taxes, which I'm sure is, and

853
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: he was winning, they would stick with him. I think

854
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: the Tim Scott thing is interesting. I keep going back

855
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: to the reporter we had on what was her name,

856
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: Shelby Talcott. She had told us months ago she was like,

857
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: you know, the people that the Trump team, the person

858
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: that the Trump team are actually looking at is Tim Scott.

859
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: And you know, maybe that's just what the Trump team

860
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Speaker 1: was telling her, but I do think it's interesting that

861
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Speaker 1: he's getting a second look from the elite media and

862
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Speaker 1: donor class.

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Speaker 5: And then I just the young kin.

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Speaker 1: Flirtation is to me hilarious, like that guy is going

865
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Speaker 1: to be your Trump's slayer.

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Speaker 5: Okay, good luck with that, Good luck with that.

867
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Speaker 3: It's a nice guy.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I think he's a good politician for

869
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: where he is. But like even he I don't think

870
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Speaker 2: has any compunction that he could ever.

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Speaker 3: Win an act.

872
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 5: It's like flirting with it again, so never on.

873
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Speaker 3: He goes.

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00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: Look, I mean you know better than I, but Virginia,

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Speaker 2: I do think that it is a perverse incentive that

876
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Speaker 2: these guys don't have to run for reelection.

877
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 3: So it's basically, what is it because you have a

878
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 3: one term limit?

879
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, whenever you're the whenever you're the gov. So

880
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: I guess the idea is then you won't focus on that.

881
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: But it also almost immediately makes you want to think

882
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 2: and look for the future, whatever national prospects or for

883
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 2: donor dollars. So in a way, I almost think that

884
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: having to run for reelection is a good limitter on

885
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: keeping you at least like semi focused within the state.

886
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

887
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of different theories around it. At

888
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: the end of the day, though Glenn Youngin is not

889
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: going to be the GOP nominee. You know, remember this,

890
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 2: there was a lot of theory that he couldn't even

891
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: win a real primary. They had to use rank choice

892
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: voting at the GOP convention to even get him the nomination.

893
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 2: If they had led it to the base, we would

894
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 2: have had some crazy backup tu be the you know,

895
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: Cory Stewart level guy who would have got blown out

896
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: in a GOP gubernatorial election.

897
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: So anyway, that's another reason I liked one.

898
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot about that that they had to basically

899
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: like true ye usher room through the GOP primary because

900
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: he was going to get his ass beat by some

901
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: weirdo crank If.

902
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 5: He didn't, I mean it weren't, Yes, College would probably

903
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 5: be governor of Virginia. So yes, it did work.

904
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: But they probably won't be able to pull that off

905
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: at the Republican primary level as much as they would.

906
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 5: Really like to.

907
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: That's right, all right, Let's give you the very latest

908
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: on a beat that we've been tracking, which is the

909
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: seemingly bottomless well of corruption at the Supreme Court. We

910
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: got a couple of pieces together that have been reported

911
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: out over the past number of days. Let's put this

912
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: first part up on the screen. So New York Times

913
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: did a deep dive into some additional sketchy connections with

914
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas being very closely tied to a lot of

915
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: elites who have business in front of the court. But

916
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: packed into this piece was an interesting little nugget about

917
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: the bipartisan nature of some of this corruption and how

918
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: this is apparently just the way people, you know, these people,

919
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: these justices view they have carte blanche to do whatever

920
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 1: while they're sitting on the court. They talk about who

921
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: was actually number one in terms of the trips, the

922
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, all expenses paid trips that they took while

923
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: they were on the court, and they say that Justice

924
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: Scalia's disclosures showed he took two hundred and fifty eight

925
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 1: subsidized trips from two thousand and four to twenty fourteen.

926
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: Destinations included Switzerland, Ireland, Hawaii. He died, you might remember

927
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen while staying for free at the West

928
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: Texas hunting Lodge of a business executive whose company recently

929
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: had a case before the Supreme Court. So that is

930
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: the late antonin Scalia, the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg disclosed

931
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: more trips than any other justice. In twenty eighteen, during

932
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: a trip to Israel, she was a guest of the

933
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: Israeli billionaire Morris Khan. The year before, the court had

934
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: given his company a victory by declining to take up

935
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: a case. Now, it is also worth noting that Justice

936
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: Thomas at least.

937
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 5: Appears to have just like stopped.

938
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: Disclosing a lot of the trips that he has been

939
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: going on. That's why we only found out about the

940
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: whole Harlan Crow situation once there was reporting on it.

941
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 5: So there's willy nilly.

942
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: Approach to what they even decide is you know we're

943
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: worthy of knowing about.

944
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 5: So that's one piece.

945
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: The next piece here is some reporting on current Justice

946
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: Sonya Soda mayor, let's put this up on the screen.

947
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: So she has been going on book tours, one of

948
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 1: the exceptions to the rules about how they can get paid.

949
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: As they are allowed to write books, they're allowed to

950
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: make money from writing books, and so she has a

951
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: habit of going on these book tours to libraries and

952
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: universities and whatever. And the ap here got their hands

953
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: on multiple emails where her staff was prodding public institutions,

954
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: as they put it, to buy her memoir or her

955
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: children's books, works that have earned her at least three

956
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: point seven million dollars since she joined the court in

957
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine. Repeated examples, they say, of taxpayer

958
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: funded court staff performing tasks for the justice's book ventures.

959
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: That's the thing that former Governor Cuomo got in trouble

960
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: for that We really raked them over the colds for here.

961
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 5: Apparently she is doing that as well.

962
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: But since the Court holds itself to basically no standards,

963
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: there's no actual prohibition even on her using her staff,

964
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: her taxpayer funded staff, to help her write her books

965
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: so that she can earn millions. There's a quote here

966
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: from an expert who says this is one of the

967
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: most basic tenets of ethics laws that protects taxpayer dollars

968
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: from misuse. The problem with the Supreme Court is there is

969
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 1: no one there to say whether this is wrong.

970
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 5: The justification, by.

971
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: The way, just to give her side of the story

972
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: from the court about her aids constantly prodding universities like,

973
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: you need to buy more of her books if she's

974
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: going to come here, they say. When Justice Sotomayora is

975
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: invited to participate in a book program, chamber staff recommends

976
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: the number of books for an organization to order based

977
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: on the size of the audience, so as not to

978
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: disappoint attendees who may anticipate books being available at an event.

979
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.

980
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: That's exactly why they be so disappointed if they didn't

981
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: have the book.

982
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 5: That if they didn't get her children's book.

983
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: The most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, As you said,

984
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: the worst part is that these people are federal employees

985
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: who are pushing private books.

986
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 3: This is the most basic ethics from queens.

987
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: Really, the same thing happened with what's her name, Elaine

988
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: chow Ohm Mitch McConnell's wife over the Department of Transportation

989
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: using federal resources to help flog her billionaire father's book

990
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: while she was literally a Secretary of Transportation. I mean,

991
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: this is one of the oldest tricks in the book.

992
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 2: And one of the reasons why is that books are

993
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: normally one of the avenues.

994
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 3: That federal officials and elected officials.

995
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: Can make a ton of money while not, you know,

996
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: directly serving in another job. So look, the other problem

997
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 2: is we don't even know how much money she's making

998
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 2: off these books, but it could I'm literally, like you said, millions. Yeah,

999
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 2: she all of a sudden decided to become a children's author,

1000
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: you know, out of nowhere, or maybe the margins on

1001
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 2: children's books are incredible because they're like this book this big, if.

1002
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 3: You can sell a ton of them.

1003
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: The problem I think with all of this is just

1004
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 2: the sheer lawlessness.

1005
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 3: Wh's what they seem to behave.

1006
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: I mean, especially coming out in that like RBG really

1007
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: just thinks you can fly around the globe, you can

1008
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: just do it all for free. You can stay at

1009
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: these billionaire residences whenever they're arguing cases before you, and

1010
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: they don't think twice Clarence Thomas doing the same things Scalia.

1011
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: I mean, but these are really just the tip of

1012
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: the iceberg, because these dinners and events and all these

1013
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: things these people get to go through in Washington throughout

1014
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: the legal world.

1015
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 3: It's like you say, they're kings and queens.

1016
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, they behave that way, and they expect the courtier treatment.

1017
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: And I often find that one of the reasons why

1018
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: they're so comfortable accepting a lot of freebies is because

1019
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: in their minds, they're like, I've given up so much

1020
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: to serve on the court.

1021
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 3: That is how they far three hundred.

1022
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 5: Thousand oh yes, Popperty salary.

1023
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: Multi millionaire.

1024
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, well, you know, you can leave

1025
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: any time you want and then you can go make

1026
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: a ton of money and live that lifestyle and nobody

1027
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: would care. But you know, this just shows you the

1028
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: mindset that they have about the sacrifice.

1029
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly right. And you know, they're in

1030
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: this high position of power. There is no accountability. They

1031
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: have no actual set really ethics rules that they have

1032
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: to abide by, and they feel themselves to be a

1033
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: part of the extremely wealthy elite set, and so to them,

1034
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: it's only fitting that they be treated and veetted to

1035
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: these trips and vacations and goodies and perks and whatever,

1036
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: because they do feel this sense of like you know,

1037
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: there's been some reporting on this with regards to Clarence Thomas,

1038
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: like they feel that they deserve this lifestyle rather than Yeah,

1039
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: I do think if you are going to serve on

1040
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, if you're going to serve in these

1041
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: positions of quote unquote public service, I do think that

1042
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: there should be some measure of sacrifice, more so even

1043
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 1: than what has been you know, what is the actual

1044
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: reality for these individuals? And you know, I can't get

1045
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: past the irony that these are supposed to be the

1046
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: arbiters of true justice in our land and forget about

1047
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: like a you know, two tier legalss like they hold

1048
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: themselves to no standards whatsoever and they have no plans

1049
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: to change. There was additional reporting about Clarence Thomas. I mean,

1050
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: this is just like another weird sketchy I don't even

1051
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 1: know what's going on here. Let's put this up from

1052
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: the Guardian. So lawyers with Supreme Court business were sending

1053
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: venmo cash to a Clarence Thomas aid and it all

1054
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: seemed to be with regards to some Christmas party that

1055
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: he had. But I'm talking these lawyers. One of them

1056
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: was on the affirmative Action case. I mean these are

1057
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: really you know, serious, big time people, and they're like

1058
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: cash apping money to his top aid.

1059
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 5: What the hell is that about?

1060
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: And we don't exactly know, but it sure looks sketchy

1061
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: as hell.

1062
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 3: So yeah, what's the explanation?

1063
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1064
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1065
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: They didn't respond to a requests for comments, so we

1066
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: really don't have an explanation. The Venmo account, which was

1067
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: public prior to requesting comment for the article and it

1068
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: is no longer show that this aid, received seven payments

1069
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: in November and December from lawyers who previously served as

1070
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: Thomas Legal clerks. The amounts of the payments not disclosed,

1071
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 1: but the purpose of each payment is listed is either

1072
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: Christmas Party, Thomas Christmas Party, CT Christmas Party or CT

1073
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: Xmas Party, in an apparent reference to the Justice's initials. So,

1074
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: you know, they just feel themselves to be above it all.

1075
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: None of the laws apparently they think apply to them.

1076
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 1: They don't think that they should be held to any

1077
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: sort of ethical standard, when I think it's clear to

1078
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: everyone else that they should be held to the highest

1079
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: ethical standard given the amount of power that they hold

1080
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 1: in our system.

1081
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and most people would not disagree with that at all.

1082
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 2: The only people who do are them, so yeah.

1083
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, truly.

1084
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really does show.

1085
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 5: You them and their spouses. That's it.

1086
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: Specific Yeah, the spouse is probably most of all. All right,

1087
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:32,439
Speaker 3: let's go to the next part here.

1088
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 2: This is just one of the best that we've been

1089
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: able to see in a while. MSNBC's Morning Joe and

1090
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 2: Mika Persinski are very upset with Joe Biden's staff for

1091
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 2: letting him appear old.

1092
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 3: They're not upset with Biden for.

1093
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Speaker 2: Being this old and contnually to run and be trying

1094
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 2: to run for reelection, run the country, put himself in

1095
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: a very stressful job. They are upset with the staff

1096
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: for not helping hide how freaking.

1097
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 3: Old that he is. Here's what she had to say.

1098
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 3: They also managed to schedule very carefully.

1099
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think his staff needs to own his age.

1100
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 12: I'm just going to be honest. I don't think they

1101
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 12: do a good job helping out the president. And I'm

1102
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 12: not talking about it like I'm just saying, if you

1103
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 12: are managing a president's schedule, and you are managing a

1104
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 12: president getting on stage and getting off stage and doing

1105
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 12: getting on planes and getting off plane, and yes, he's

1106
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 12: eighty you need to be there for him, and you

1107
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 12: need to make a pathway, and you sure as hell

1108
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 12: better make sure he doesn't fall on a sandbag. And

1109
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 12: I blame the staff for that. I mean, these are

1110
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 12: the things that are going to hurt him. These are

1111
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 12: things that are going to be played on a loop. Okay,

1112
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 12: let him do his job, let him do his speeches,

1113
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 12: let him work on policy, let him do his connections

1114
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 12: in Congress. Unlike any president that we've seen. I don't

1115
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 12: know since Clinton, but my god, make sure you know

1116
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 12: your secret service, you're his staff, that you were there

1117
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 12: and you're telling.

1118
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 5: Him what's next.

1119
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 12: And it's not because don't take this as oh, he

1120
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 12: can even get from one place to another when you're

1121
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 12: busy and you're on stage. And we've been on stage.

1122
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 12: I've done speeches and I'm so nervous.

1123
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 3: I'm doing the speech.

1124
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 12: I'm trying to get it right, and when it's done,

1125
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 12: I don't know which way to go and I'm looking

1126
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 12: for direction.

1127
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 7: So do a better.

1128
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 12: Job, because you can't have these video images of the

1129
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 12: president tripping or the president like going the wrong way.

1130
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 5: It's not going to work.

1131
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 12: In this presidency because his age is going to be

1132
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 12: a factor. His age is going to be a factor,

1133
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 12: and it's your job to make sure he gets from

1134
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 12: one place to another. He can handle the presidency, you

1135
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 12: have to handle his schedule and where he goes.

1136
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 2: You've got to handle his schedule and where he goes.

1137
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: I would posit that we've had several presidents. Many of

1138
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: them faced the exact same circumstance and they didn't wander

1139
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: off in weird directions whatever these are, because they're not old.

1140
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it's very basic about what the issue is.

1141
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: And effectively what they're saying is you got to cover

1142
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 2: up his age more. You got to basically come in.

1143
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: I mean it's so patronizing too. It's like he's a

1144
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 2: grown man.

1145
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 3: You know.

1146
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 2: If he really does require someone to come and grab

1147
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: his arm the moment that he's done and point him

1148
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: in the right direction, she should not be in the position. So,

1149
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: you know, you really can't look autonomous.

1150
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 3: Adults.

1151
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 6: People deal with these stressful things.

1152
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 3: All the time.

1153
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 2: We can all acknowledge that it is stressful in part

1154
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 2: of the presidency, but no president in modern history has

1155
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 2: been as old as Joe Biden. And if that's what

1156
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: he requires to serve in the job, then he shouldn't

1157
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: be in the job period.

1158
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: They want him to get the Dianne Feinstein try Good

1159
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: point where it's like, you know, staffers constantly surround her.

1160
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: She never gets asked a question without a stafford there

1161
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: to feed her what the answer is. They shepherd her

1162
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: through the hallways. They do everything they can and have

1163
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: for years to make sure that people don't know just

1164
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 1: how far her mental decline has gone. And apparently that's

1165
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: the sort of thing the system that they feel needs

1166
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: to be in place for the president of the United States.

1167
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 5: I mean, it is Listen. The other piece of this, too.

1168
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: Is Mika is really going off here, like she's really

1169
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: in her feelings about this one.

1170
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 5: And it's like, with all the issues that exist in

1171
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 5: the world, the fact.

1172
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: That you don't feel the president's aides have you know,

1173
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: lied to the American public enough about how the president

1174
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: is actually doing. That's the thing you're gonna get on

1175
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: your righteous high horse about. It's just amazing.

1176
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 12: And you know what.

1177
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 5: The other thing is that there's a lot.

1178
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: Of signs that his aides have really been trying to

1179
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: aggressively stage manage him.

1180
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 5: There were pictures of like, you know, they were always

1181
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 5: giving him these note.

1182
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: Cards with really clear bullets to really hammer home like

1183
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: this is the thing that we need you to say,

1184
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 1: and this is the person that's in the room.

1185
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 5: Whatever.

1186
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: But you know, they can't control if he goes off

1187
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: script and says where's Jackie when Jackie died in a

1188
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: car accident a month ago? Like how are you possibly

1189
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: going to protect against that? And we also have the

1190
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: example of the fact that you know, he barely does interviews,

1191
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: he's not going to debate, very few public appearances, is

1192
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: very few press conferences.

1193
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 5: So they're clearly doing everything they.

1194
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: Can to try to hide his very apparent aging from

1195
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 1: the American public.

1196
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 5: But still not enough for Mika and Joe.

1197
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 2: The big problem that they are getting to, you know,

1198
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: with all this, like you just said, is that the

1199
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: age is a factor which is so visceral for all

1200
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 2: of us, and they want it to be covered up.

1201
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 3: And I find that just so disgusting.

1202
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: And you know, she could spend more time being like, hey,

1203
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 2: list is, mister President, you're an old man, and it's

1204
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: just it's time to go sometimes, and that's okay. You know,

1205
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: her own father recently, I think he just died very recently,

1206
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 2: lived up into his nineties, Like and he was a

1207
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 2: great man, you know, great man quote unquote, I guess

1208
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: in his time as a national security advisor to Jimmy Carter,

1209
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 2: a great statesman and all this. But you know, there

1210
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 2: is just an inevitable decline that happens with this. And

1211
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 2: you know, let's go and put this next part up

1212
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 2: on the screen, which really hammers this stuff home. Like

1213
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 2: Biden skipped the NATO dinner with all of the leaders

1214
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 2: citing workload, and you're like, hmm, okay, it turns out,

1215
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: let's put this next part. This is the third major

1216
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 2: dinner that he has now skipped with world leaders on

1217
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 2: an international trip. The last time quote still after fatiguing

1218
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 2: days on the road, he skipped dinner with world leaders

1219
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 2: in Indonesia and again in Japan in May. Now, let

1220
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 2: me just offer some sympathy. I just returned from Asia.

1221
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 7: I get it.

1222
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 2: The jet lag is a pain in the ass, don't

1223
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: get me wrong. But I checked Vilnius is seven hours ahead. Okay,

1224
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: it ain't that bad. It's not terrible enough for you've

1225
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 2: already been on the continent. You know, one day you

1226
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: can stomach a single dinner, especially whenever you so rarely

1227
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: get to actually meet and commiserate with some of these people.

1228
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 2: From what I have heard, many of these are a chore,

1229
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 2: these diplomatic events and all that.

1230
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 3: You know, don't be the head of state, then I

1231
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 3: don't know what to tell you.

1232
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: If you don't like to be feted and attend some

1233
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 2: of this stuff, then you probably shouldn't run.

1234
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 3: Who drive me crazy, don't get me wrong. Yeah, you

1235
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 3: know that's not what I do.

1236
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 5: Joe Biden used to live for this stuff.

1237
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 3: That's the other part.

1238
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: You know, he's not like, he's not like us in

1239
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: the really you know, like I don't want anything to

1240
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: do with this, Like I'm not interested and you're like,

1241
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, bullshit table conversation.

1242
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 5: He's not like that.

1243
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: He's a you know, old school glad handing politician very

1244
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, really prizes those personal relationship becuse start trumpy

1245
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: in this regard, like, you know, really views foreign policy

1246
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: through the lens of his like personal relationships with various

1247
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: world leaders. So yeah, when he decides in multiple trips

1248
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: that he's going to skip out on those dinners, it's

1249
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: indicative and I it's a rough schedule. No one is

1250
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: saying that being president of the United States is a

1251
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: cup of tea. You know, it's brutal, it's stressful, it's exhausting,

1252
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: it's long days, it's late nights, it's early mornings, it's

1253
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: it's all of those things. And you know, ideally you

1254
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: would have someone in the job who was ready and.

1255
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,479
Speaker 5: Able and willing and up to that task.

1256
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: But you know, just to bring it back to Mega,

1257
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: I just can't get over someone who is supposedly, I guess,

1258
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: sort of a journalist in our you're actually arguing here

1259
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: for less transparency for the American people. What you're arguing

1260
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: for is you need to do a better job hiding

1261
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,959
Speaker 1: the reality of what's going on in the White House.

1262
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: I mean, the real thing you should be asking for is, hey,

1263
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: mister President, people have questions about your age and your

1264
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: ability to do the job. You should debate your primary

1265
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: opponents so people in real time that you're that you're

1266
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: up to it, that you're you know, you've got a

1267
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: vision for the future, that you're able to articulate, that

1268
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: you've got the energy to take on these other competitors,

1269
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: like get out there and show us. What you should

1270
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: be advocating for is hey, we need to have more

1271
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: availability we need to see out there in press conferences.

1272
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 5: We need to see you doing interviews.

1273
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: We sure as all need to see you, you know,

1274
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: being able to attend these dinners that are with other

1275
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: heads of state. That's what you should be arguing for

1276
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: if you're any of your rhetoric about democracy means a

1277
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: single thing. But of course we know that it doesn't.

1278
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: It's all just partisan flacking. And in that regard, you know,

1279
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: if you're just like Democratic partisans cheerleader, you're not wrong

1280
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: that maybe the staff should up their game in further

1281
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: trying to hide from the American people the actual condition

1282
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 1: of the president of the United States.

1283
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1284
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 2: No, I mean, at the end of the day, like

1285
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 2: this is all they can really stomach. If he can't

1286
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 2: handle the very basics of the presidency, like you know,

1287
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 2: going abroad and holding a meeting and being able to

1288
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 2: be sound of mind, well then you shouldn't be in that.

1289
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 3: And it's not a staff problem. It is a personal problem.

1290
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 2: It is a very legitimate question, and it's one that

1291
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 2: we've been probably the most gas lit on from the

1292
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 2: very beginning really of his entire candidacy, from the you know,

1293
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: fake stutter that suddenly remateialized eighty years later to any

1294
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 2: you know, just you know, accusations of agism or sexism.

1295
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: Whenever it came to Diane Finstein. They'll use anything in

1296
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 2: their playbook to get people to shut up.

1297
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 5: It's anti Irish bias. I haven't actually heard.

1298
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 3: That, Ani.

1299
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 10: I mean, I'm sure they say.

1300
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 3: It actually sounds like something he would say, it.

1301
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 5: Really does, all right, Sorry, are you looking at it?

1302
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 10: Well?

1303
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 2: Hunter Biden Gate, much like Russia Gate or Obamagate, has many,

1304
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 2: many layers. Most people are familiar with Hunter's payments from

1305
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 2: a Ukrainian energy company, Barisma.

1306
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 3: That certainly was bad, but honestly, for those.

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Speaker 2: Familiar with his sketchy business dealings, it barely scratched the surface.

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Speaker 2: Hunter has millions of dollars in dealings that he still

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Speaker 2: needs to answer for from Russian, Romanian, and most importantly,

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Speaker 2: Chinese businessmen. The Chinese dealings in particular have deep links

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Speaker 2: both to the government, and they remain very understudied by

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Speaker 2: the press. The Chinese deals came into focus in recent

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Speaker 2: months after Republicans retook control of Congress and they began

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Speaker 2: their investigation into Hunter Biden and their possible links to

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Speaker 2: the current president. One of those inquiries into China relied

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Speaker 2: on a whistleblower named Dal Luft.

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Speaker 3: He is a dual US Israeli citizen.

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Speaker 2: According to Luft, he was previously contacted by the Department

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Speaker 2: of Justice in March of twenty nineteen, and he detailed

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Speaker 2: his knowledge of a Biden families deep financial chies ties

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Speaker 2: to China.

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Speaker 3: Here is the story he told in his own words.

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Speaker 13: My ordeal goes back to a fatal decision I made

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Speaker 13: in March of twenty nineteen to share with the US

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Speaker 13: government my knowledge about the Biden families relations with CFC.

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Speaker 13: Over an intensive two day meeting, I shared my information

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Speaker 13: about the Biden family's financial transactions with CFC, including specific

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Speaker 13: dollar figures. I also provided the name of Rob Walker,

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Speaker 13: who later became known as Hunter Biden's bag men. Finally,

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Speaker 13: in February this year, I was arrested in Cyprus on

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Speaker 13: an expedition request from the Sudden District of New York,

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Speaker 13: the very same office that met with me in Brussels.

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Speaker 13: The seven County indictment said I violated the Export Arms

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Speaker 13: Export Control Act and if I am convicted, I would

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Speaker 13: face up to one hundred years in prison.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so he contacted them. In March of twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 2: a bunch of FBI agents met with him. Nothing happened.

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Speaker 2: So then what, as he continues a detail, after he

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Speaker 2: contacted the doj in the FBI to details knowledge of

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Speaker 2: Biden ties to China, they ignore him. A few years later,

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Speaker 2: after attention again is sparked into these allegations, he is

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Speaker 2: suddenly indicted by the Department of Justice. That indictment, which

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Speaker 2: became public on Monday, alleges that he evaded registering as

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Speaker 2: a foreign agent in the United States while working to

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Speaker 2: advance the interests of the Chinese government in the US

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Speaker 2: and seeking specifically to broker the sales of Chinese weapons

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Speaker 2: and Iranian oil. The charges against him total nearly one

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Speaker 2: hundred years in prison, as he said, if convicted, and

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Speaker 2: they detail a very serious breach of the law. But

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Speaker 2: it does leave us with a few questions. Number one,

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Speaker 2: is this true? And number two why is this happening?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: Let's focus in on a second part of that question

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Speaker 2: and also untangle some of the details. One of the

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Speaker 2: charges against Luft is based upon a donation to his

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Speaker 2: think tank by CEC, that is, a Chinese energy company

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01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 2: from twenty fifteen. Now the money was given to that

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01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 2: think tank in an effort to recruit a former CIA

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Speaker 2: director to make statements beneficial to the interests of China.

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Speaker 2: Shady and gross stuff, to be sure, But what they

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Speaker 2: are not telling you is that the CEFC is the

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Speaker 2: exact same company paid Hunter Biden five million dollars between

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Speaker 2: August twenty seventeen and May of twenty eighteen. Great work,

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Speaker 2: if you can get it right. What exactly did Hunter

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01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 2: get paid all this money for. It's not actually clear.

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Speaker 2: Millions of dollars though, to represent this Chinese energy company's

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Speaker 2: interest in the US, and one million dollars even more

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Speaker 2: to provide legal services to the very Chinese go between

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Speaker 2: that the DOJ says Lift was working with who was

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Speaker 2: a Chinese buy so. In other words, if god Luft

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Speaker 2: is an unregistered Chinese agent, Hunter Biden sure as hell

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Speaker 2: looks like one two and the timeline of almost everything

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Speaker 2: matches up. If anything actually vindicates much bluff was saying.

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Speaker 2: And I guess it takes one unregistered foreign agent to

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Speaker 2: know another one, As my friend Chuck Ross over the

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Speaker 2: Washington Free Beacon re notes the initial contact to both

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Speaker 2: of these individuals was made in twenty fifteen, That is

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01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 2: when the first donation actually happened to Hunter Biden's Link charity,

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Speaker 2: and is when the first payment was made. In fact,

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Speaker 2: both Luved and Hunter both appear to have had knowledge

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Speaker 2: pretty soon afterwards that the people they were dealing with

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Speaker 2: were no ordinary Chinese businessman. Hunter himself, in a text

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Speaker 2: message in twenty seventeen, specifically said he wanted to avoid

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Speaker 2: registering as a foreign agent as part of his deal

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Speaker 2: with the CEFC. Now, for those who are familiar, this

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Speaker 2: is where the character Tony Bobolinski also comes in and

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01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 2: relates to this entire saga. Bobolinski, of course, came forward

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Speaker 2: after the release of the Hunter Biden laptop and alleged

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Speaker 2: that he specifically met with Joe Biden in May of

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen regarding this exact Chinese energy company deal, and

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Speaker 2: that Hunter himself laid out the quote ten percent for

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Speaker 2: the big guy, the big guy being Joe Biden. So,

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01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 2: upon closer inspection, the headline the Department of Justice sought

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01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 2: in trying to make this all go away is not

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Speaker 2: close to reality. The reality, though, is that Hunter Biden

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Speaker 2: whistleblower has been revealed as a Chinese spy. It is

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Speaker 2: also though the Department's Justice has confirmed that the company

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Speaker 2: which paid Hunters some six million dollars is now confirmed

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Speaker 2: as an agent, possibly of China, and that the same

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Speaker 2: behavior that the whistleblower was now indicted for is the

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Speaker 2: same stuff that Hunter Biden was doing. That the company

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Speaker 2: in question here at the least is alleged by this

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Speaker 2: whistleblower to have been directly financially connected to the President

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Speaker 2: of the United States. And I understand this can all

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01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 2: seem complicated, but it's not. Even the government now admits

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01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 2: effectively that the company is a Chinese spyfront and they

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Speaker 2: paid the Biden family, plain and simple. The only question

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Speaker 2: now is did he get a piece of that as

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Speaker 2: president or not. This two vindicates the previous text message

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Speaker 2: revealed by the House Committee IRS whistleblower Gary Shapley specific

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Speaker 2: noted that a previous search warrant uncovered this infamous text

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Speaker 2: message by Hunter to the very Chinese energy company threatening

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01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 2: action if he was not paid. Aiden vokes how his

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01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 2: father was sitting right next to him. So look now

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Speaker 2: it's actually all coming together. The shocking part is an

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01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 2: upon investigation, it actually looks even more clear that Hunter

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01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 2: and possibly Joe got into some very sketchy stuff with

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Speaker 2: this Chinese energy company. But don't expect the media to

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Speaker 2: actually tell you the truth about the case. So Chrystal,

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Speaker 2: that's my investigation.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Sagre's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com.

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Speaker 3: Cristal, what are you trying to look at?

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Speaker 1: Well, we have closely tracked here the way that private

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Speaker 1: equity has swooped into by the entire neighborhoods across the country,

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Speaker 1: vacuuming up single family homes and positioning themselves as America's landlords.

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Speaker 1: Great money making mensure for them, disaster for literally everyone else. Well,

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Speaker 1: this week, a group of Senate Democrats, including Shared Brown,

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Speaker 1: Ron Wyden, and Elizabeth Warren, they introduced legislation seeking to

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Speaker 1: cut the legs out from large investors who are buying

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Speaker 1: up the nation's housing stock. The Stop Predatory Investing Act

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Speaker 1: aims to make it less profitable for these private equity

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Speaker 1: backed companies to purchase single family homes. So basically, the

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Speaker 1: bill says you cannot deduct mortgage interest or depreciation on

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Speaker 1: these homes once you own more than fifty of them,

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Speaker 1: undercutting one aspect of the very lucrative nature of this business.

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Speaker 1: In addition to cutting into the profit margins of mass

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Speaker 1: single family landlords, the bill also attempts to incentivize selling

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Speaker 1: homes to actual aspiring homeowners. According to a Senate one

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Speaker 1: page or quote, if an investor sold one of those

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Speaker 1: properties to a home buyer or qualified nonprofit, they can

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Speaker 1: deduct the interest and appreciation for the year in which

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Speaker 1: the property is sold. So basically, if you're one of

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Speaker 1: the big guys, you don't get tax breaks while you

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Speaker 1: own the property, but you do get a break if

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Speaker 1: you sell it off to an actual human being rather

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Speaker 1: than to permanent capital. Now let me temper my expectations

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Speaker 1: here a bit. First of all, no Republicans have signed

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Speaker 1: on as of yet, meaning that the bills pross in

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Speaker 1: the Senate are dim let alone the GOP controlled House.

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Speaker 5: And second, hard to.

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Speaker 1: Say just how impactful this bill would actually be even

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Speaker 1: if it did somehow pass through. With high mortgage rates,

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01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: a good chunk of these large investors actually buy houses

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Speaker 1: in all cash, making the tax deduction piece of this

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01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: less significant to their bottom line. It's ultimately a much

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Speaker 1: more reformist and less radical reform than what I would

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Speaker 1: like to see, but it is a start and at

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Speaker 1: least aims to tackle what is a very real problem.

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Speaker 5: What's more, the.

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Speaker 1: Fact that this issue is getting serious attention at the

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Speaker 1: federal level is telling in and of itself. Housing is

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Speaker 1: literally the least affordable that it has ever been in history.

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Speaker 1: Take a look at this chart showing the way that

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Speaker 1: the median monthly mortgage payment has skyrocketed in the last

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Speaker 1: several years as housing prices have spiked and mortgage rates

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Speaker 1: have jumped thanks to the FED. This has huge ramifications

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Speaker 1: for every income level outside of the rich, pushing up

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Speaker 1: shelter costs for everyone from renters to aspiring homeowners to

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Speaker 1: current homeowners who need or want to move. The net

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Speaker 1: effect here is to push everyone down a rum on

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Speaker 1: the latter of stability, and those who are barely hanging

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01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 1: onto the bottom rung they get pushed right on into

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Speaker 1: the streets, leading the homelessness that has become endemic across

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Speaker 1: the entire country. This disastrous state of affairs is apparently

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Speaker 1: starting to break through at the federal level, as evidenced

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Speaker 1: by this effort and by some others too, including legislation

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Speaker 1: introduced by Bernie and aoc Now. Their bill would fund

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Speaker 1: upgrades to public housing and repeal an amendment that caps

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Speaker 1: construction of new public housing units by the federal government,

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Speaker 1: with the goal of expanding and improving social housing. Now,

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Speaker 1: the fact that Shared Brown has made himself the face

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Speaker 1: of this new effort aimed at private equity, it also

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Speaker 1: tells you something key about the politics of pushing back

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Speaker 1: on investors buying up American neighborhoods. It is no accident

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Speaker 1: that he is pushing this bill at the same time

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Speaker 1: as he faces a very tough reelect in his home

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Speaker 1: state of Ohio. Now, Ohio may be an increasingly read state,

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Speaker 1: but this bill is good policy and good politics there,

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Speaker 1: especially because Cincinnati, Cleveland and other Ohio cities they've been

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Speaker 1: going to war with the private equity back giants that

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Speaker 1: are destroying neighborhoods, ing out home buyers and jacking up rents.

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Speaker 1: In fact, according to the Cincinnati Enquirer, twenty percent of

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Speaker 1: the homes sold in the first quarter this year were

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Speaker 1: snapped up by investors. That put Cincinnati in the top

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Speaker 1: ten of cities nationwide in terms of investor's share of purchases.

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Speaker 1: This has been a huge source of tension major issue locally.

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Speaker 1: The Cincinnati Inquirer recently documented how one single Texas based company,

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Speaker 1: Wenebrook Homes, now owns more than thirty one hundred homes

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Speaker 1: in the county that include Cincinnati. They've specifically targeted increasingly

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Speaker 1: scarce starter homes that are priced around one hundred K

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Speaker 1: to two hundred k.

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Speaker 5: That means that working class.

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Speaker 1: Neighborhoods have been transformed practically overnight from real neighborhoods into

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Speaker 1: just another profit center for giant corporations. These companies increasing

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Speaker 1: dominance in the rental market has also caused rents to

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Speaker 1: skyrocket as they push the whole market to be way

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Speaker 1: less affordable. And it's not like these renters are getting

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Speaker 1: good service for their money either. Vinebrook was sued by

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Speaker 1: the city for neglect and failure to pay their bills.

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Speaker 1: They've been settled for half a million dollars in fines.

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Speaker 1: Just the cost of doing business, I guess for our

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01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: nation's slumlord bohemoths is what it appears. In recent years,

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Speaker 1: Shery Brown has been the only Democrat who seems to

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Speaker 1: be able to win in the state of Ohio. He's

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Speaker 1: done it by leaning into a pro labor economic populism

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Speaker 1: that is uniquely suited to a state that has struggled

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Speaker 1: with industrial decline post NAFTA and opening up trade with China.

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Speaker 1: By honing in on private equity and housing, He's once

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Speaker 1: again placing a big bet on bread and butter issues.

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01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 5: But this will undoubtedly be the toughest.

1522
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: Fight of his political career, and it's far from certain

1523
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: that he can overcome Partson tilt that makes the state

1524
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: more and more difficult for Democrat to win no matter what.

1525
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 5: They do and what good legislation they back.

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01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:39,839
Speaker 1: I just hope more politicians recognize that curbing the abuses

1527
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,719
Speaker 1: of these giant landlord vultures is good for the country

1528
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,839
Speaker 1: and also good for their careers.

1529
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 5: And this is something it's really bubbling up for the way.

1530
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 2: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 2: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com.

1532
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 1: So I made a big promise at the top of

1533
01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 1: the show that we're going to convene a panel to

1534
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 1: get so we could all sort through what's going on

1535
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,560
Speaker 1: with Jonah Hill come to some sort of a conclusion.

1536
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 5: So we've gathered here with us today.

1537
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: We've got Emily Tashinsky, great friend, and of course I'm

1538
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 1: co host of Counterpoints and Federalists and does all sorts

1539
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: of other things, busiest working woman in show business. And

1540
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 1: we also have Kyle Kolinsky, host of Secular Talk, and

1541
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: my husband Full disclosure, which I guess is relevant to

1542
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: conversation certainly is to sort through the various issues. So

1543
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 1: first of all, we do have an update, and I'm

1544
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 1: not asking anyone to defend this alleged action on the

1545
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 1: part of Jonah Hill, but apparently former child star Alexa

1546
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: Nicholas of Zoe one O one says that Jonah Hill

1547
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: quote shoved his tongue down her throat against her will

1548
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: when she was sixteen. So we have some additional character

1549
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: questions about Jonah Hill.

1550
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 4: But the thing that I was at twenty four, Yes,

1551
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 4: he was twenty four. They were at a party at

1552
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 4: Justin Long's house.

1553
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 3: Who wasn't I.

1554
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 5: Don't even know.

1555
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 4: Ye.

1556
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: To be perfectly honest with you, I don't know how

1557
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: any of these people are. But the piece that people

1558
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: are really debating, let's go and put this up on

1559
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: the screen, is Jonah is in a relationship with this woman,

1560
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: Sarah Brady, who is a surfer.

1561
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 5: That's basic.

1562
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 1: Gale, I really know about her, and she posted online

1563
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: these text messages that he had sent her.

1564
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 5: He said, quote plain and simple.

1565
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: If you need surfing with men, boundaryless inappropriate friendships with men,

1566
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: to model, to post pictures of yourself in a bathing suit,

1567
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 1: to post sexual pictures, friendships with women who are in

1568
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 1: unstable places and from your wild recent past. Beyond getting

1569
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 1: a lunch or coffee or something respectful. I am not

1570
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 1: the right partner for you. If these things bring into

1571
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: a place of happiness, I support it and there will

1572
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: be no hard feelings. These are my boundaries for romantic partnership,

1573
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: my boundaries with you based on the way these actions

1574
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: have hurt our trust. The last piece of information I

1575
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 1: will put up here. Let's go and put this next

1576
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 1: piece up on the screen is some of the photos

1577
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,719
Speaker 1: that apparently he had her take down. Again, she's a surfer.

1578
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 1: There's one where she's in a full piece bathing suit.

1579
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: It's actually relatively modest in my opinion, but anyway, she's got,

1580
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, her back to the camera, so you can

1581
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: see a little bit of her booty from.

1582
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 10: Like a hundred yards away.

1583
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 3: I know, I'm just kind.

1584
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: And also apparently in this one he like accused her

1585
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: being in a thong but was literally like a pretty

1586
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 1: modest one suit anyway, So that is the setup here, Emily,

1587
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: let me go ahead and get your your take on

1588
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: all of this.

1589
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 4: Okay, So timing is also interesting context here. Jonah Hill

1590
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 4: just had his first baby a month ago. Okay, she

1591
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 4: posts these from a relationship that's more than a year

1592
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 4: old out of absolutely nowhere after he has the baby,

1593
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 4: actually even invokes his baby and one of the Instagram

1594
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 4: posts and says, I hope my ex has a girl

1595
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 4: because of X, Y and Z, so that he understands

1596
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 4: this stuff. And I still also think one of the

1597
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 4: funnier parts of the discourse on this is that Jonah

1598
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 4: Hill slides into her DMS after apparently seeing one of

1599
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 4: these pictures that's how their relationship started, turns around then

1600
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 4: and says, no, these are my boundary, And a lot

1601
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 4: of people I've seen in the discourse are like, well,

1602
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 4: that's so hypocritical, a contrere. This is a man who

1603
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 4: knows exactly what he should be doing if he's falling

1604
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 4: in love with someone He does say they were in love.

1605
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 4: So you meet, you realize actually all of the other

1606
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 4: men in the world are looking at these things that

1607
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 4: made me attracted to you in the first place.

1608
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 7: This is my big contrarian take here.

1609
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 4: So yeah, this is a boundary for me because I

1610
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 4: don't want other men sliding into your dms, because I'm

1611
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 4: a man and I know that's what men are going

1612
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,839
Speaker 4: to do. He is being pretty respectful in those messages.

1613
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 4: There are a lot of things we might not know

1614
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:34,679
Speaker 4: about the relationship that he alludes to, reasons that they've

1615
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 4: lost trust, et cetera, et cetera.

1616
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:38,759
Speaker 7: So well, I think it's weird behavior.

1617
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 4: I definitely don't think it's quote emotional abuse, which is

1618
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 4: what she said that seems to be aligned too far.

1619
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 10: Well, let's be clear, nothing here is illegal, and I

1620
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 10: don't think anybody is claiming it's illegal. And I think

1621
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,799
Speaker 10: it's a fair criticism to say she continued to post

1622
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 10: private correspondence and she's still doing it, like right now, Yeah,

1623
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 10: so I've seen everybody. I'd be like, oh, all right,

1624
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 10: you know, real it in now, like you've got a little.

1625
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 5: Bit in relationship with either one of these individuals.

1626
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 3: Right, So.

1627
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 10: That gets to my point, it's like I tried. When

1628
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 10: I saw this, I started to put myself in his

1629
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 10: shoes and put myself in her shoes. Right, and from

1630
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 10: both perspectives, this was doomed to failure because to have

1631
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 10: a relationship that's functional, in my opinion, you need three

1632
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 10: things attraction, trust, and love. And the love can develop

1633
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:26,640
Speaker 10: over time, but the second you click send on a

1634
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 10: message like that, the attraction's gone. Literally, nobody on the

1635
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 10: planet is gonna want to sleep with you. If you're

1636
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 10: posting that long diatribe about like here are my rules

1637
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 10: for you, that's not how it works. And then obviously

1638
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 10: from his perspective, he has no trust of her, so

1639
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 10: why are you even in a relationship with her? So

1640
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 10: if I was her friend, I'd be like, get out

1641
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 10: right now, don't even don't hang on one more day.

1642
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 10: And if I was his friend he was showing me, Hey,

1643
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 10: this is the message I'm gonna send of my girlfriend,

1644
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 10: I'd be like, get out. Don't even bothers ending the

1645
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 10: message because their values just don't align. That that's just

1646
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 10: not a good fit.

1647
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that this little woman who's posting these

1648
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 2: messages is definitely attention seeking.

1649
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 3: Narcissists, and what.

1650
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 2: You said was very key, is like bringing the daughter

1651
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 2: into this was a big mistake when she was like,

1652
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 2: I hope his baby or what he remains feminist or whatever.

1653
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 2: Now Okay, that said, I have also been increasingly annoyed

1654
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 2: by the entire rise of therapy culture. And I will

1655
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 2: say I don't know, okay, but emotional abuse, these terms

1656
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 2: all get thrown around, and unfortunately Hill himself is the

1657
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 2: one who's been endorsing a lot of this. He recently

1658
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 2: did that whole documentary with his therapist. I think a

1659
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 2: lot of people actually got a lot of praise for it,

1660
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 2: but this actually is the end state of a lot

1661
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 2: of therapy culture. And I noticed this a lot in

1662
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 2: our current like relationship, like how it's portrayed. A big

1663
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 2: fan of the show Love Island, and what I see

1664
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 2: constantly is they're like this is just who I am.

1665
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:47,719
Speaker 2: They're like, this is me, and it's like, you're actually

1666
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 2: a crazy person. Yeah, not supposed to just say and

1667
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 2: validate your own insanity, but I mean, like I'm being

1668
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 2: true to myself.

1669
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 3: As you just said.

1670
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 2: You know, if you want to be in a successful relationship,

1671
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 2: and specifically a successful marriage, it's just all about communication.

1672
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,720
Speaker 2: Ninety percent of it is a lot about compromise. Now,

1673
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,799
Speaker 2: you shouldn't compromise your core values, but you also shouldn't

1674
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 2: get to that point if you're unable to do so.

1675
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 10: So can I go ahead further? Yeah? Go ahead, Okay,

1676
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 10: because I actually look, I actually am of the belief

1677
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,759
Speaker 10: that this whole thing, I'm going to list my boundaries.

1678
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 10: I'm going to list my boundaries. No, if you're in

1679
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 10: a successful relationship, the boundaries are kind of intuitive. You

1680
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 10: know what they like and what they don't like. They

1681
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 10: know what you like and when you don't like, and

1682
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 10: you kind of respect that inherently. I feel like anytime

1683
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 10: you're out of point your relationship where it's like I

1684
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:30,759
Speaker 10: shall list the things you can't do, and you realize

1685
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 10: it's like, what are we doing here? What do we children?

1686
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the thing too, that so listen. The

1687
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: therapy language to me comes down also in his post

1688
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 1: of like these are my boundaries and blah blah blah,

1689
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 1: as if it's reasonable for you to impose whatever boundaries are,

1690
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 1: like one hundred percent make you feel in control of

1691
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 1: this relationship. It sort of reminds me of because you know,

1692
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm a weird wonk, you know, economic obsession, whatever it's going.

1693
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,759
Speaker 1: And it reminds me of like contract law and like employment.

1694
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 1: You're allowed to freely contract like a worker. Can you

1695
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: know I'm going to offer my services and this is

1696
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,759
Speaker 1: the wage or whatever. But there are also boundaries established

1697
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 1: in the law about what a reasonable contract looks like.

1698
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 5: You can't pay below a minimum wage.

1699
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 1: Here's what the hours are, here's when you have to

1700
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 1: pay overtime, and you are not you cannot just like

1701
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 1: agree to be an indentured servant. So if you are

1702
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,679
Speaker 1: putting out these are my boundaries, you have to ask yourself,

1703
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 1: is it reasonable to tell this woman who is a

1704
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 1: surfer she can't.

1705
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 5: Like basically be seen in a bathing suit.

1706
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:37,719
Speaker 1: What is she supposed to like wear a burker everywhere

1707
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,679
Speaker 1: now so other dudes don't think she's hot, and she's

1708
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 1: not allowed to have friendships with women who are in

1709
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 1: unstable places beyond getting coffee or something.

1710
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 5: Respectable about that. See See this one to me was

1711
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 5: like the.

1712
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: Most over the line of like, now you're telling her

1713
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: who she can and can't be friends with other women

1714
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 1: that she has been friends with, Like, now you're saying

1715
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: you can only get coffee.

1716
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 5: With these people. That seems crazy.

1717
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 4: I would I would really like to know more about that.

1718
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 4: I mean, actually, I wouldn't want to know anymore.

1719
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 3: I don't need to know any but.

1720
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 4: Since we're here, I would like to know more about that,

1721
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 4: because it seems like he's alluding to her very what

1722
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 4: her very what does he say, her very recent past,

1723
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 4: her wild recent past?

1724
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,560
Speaker 10: Yeah, but like, if you have a problem with the

1725
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 10: recent past, get out.

1726
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 7: And if you have a.

1727
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 4: Problem with people being in a relationship with somebody in

1728
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 4: bathing suits, then it's a weird thing to start a

1729
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 4: relationship with the surfer. That said, if they let's just

1730
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:32,680
Speaker 4: give him benefit of the doubt for the sake of

1731
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 4: the argument, they fall in love. He's like, I really

1732
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 4: love this girl. He does use the word love in

1733
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 4: some of these messages, and they're going forward. She's like, yes,

1734
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 4: I will. You know, I realize my wild recent past

1735
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 4: was indeed wild, and you know, I want to change,

1736
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. And there were people, for instance,

1737
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,560
Speaker 4: who were coercing her to a drinking problem or a

1738
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 4: drug problem, and that's what he's talking about. Then I

1739
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 4: can kind of see where she's trying to use relationships

1740
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 4: as a stepping stone into a healthier life. Not a

1741
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 4: great idea problem, but at the same time, you can

1742
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 4: see the sort of logic behind it.

1743
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,480
Speaker 7: So this could either be something really minor.

1744
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 4: Like girls who gossip that she hangs out with that's

1745
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 4: the wild recent past, or it's like they're coercing her

1746
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 4: into a drinking problem.

1747
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 2: Worse, look, do we have the response actually, because I

1748
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 2: think his response is very illuminated. Screenshotting intimate text between

1749
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 2: us is a huge triggering violation for me. Breach of

1750
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 2: trust as a friend. I've explained to you about breaches

1751
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 2: of trust I've had between trusted friends recently.

1752
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 3: They have caused me trauma.

1753
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 2: I am increasingly incredibly hurt and feel a lack of

1754
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 2: safety where I've always trusted you. I'm sorry if a

1755
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:35,640
Speaker 2: former partner moving on is painful, I ampathize with that,

1756
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 2: but I have done nothing wrong, and if I wasn't

1757
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 2: a public person, I wouldn't face this violation. Having shared

1758
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 2: that with you and then watching you be like this

1759
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 2: today shatters my ability to trust anybody even further. I

1760
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 2: have always shown you kindness and support, so once again

1761
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 2: we receive the return of the therapy language. The traumas

1762
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 2: don't hurt, No, but saying I am unable to trust

1763
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 2: anybody further. You know, another key part of it is

1764
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 2: that being famous is not that all that's crucked up.

1765
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 10: Clearly, she didn't help her case. She didn't help her

1766
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 10: case by continuing to post all these No, that's right.

1767
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,799
Speaker 2: She clearly is an attention seeking and she's also obviously

1768
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 2: hurt by the relationship that he moved on and they

1769
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 2: had a child. You know, I guess we can all

1770
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 2: empathize with that, but he shouldn't be going starting something.

1771
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 3: He has a point that you know.

1772
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 2: He wouldn't be facing any of this if he wasn't famous.

1773
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 2: But also part of the reason why I think he's

1774
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 2: had to develop this insane complex around how to communicate

1775
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:32,759
Speaker 2: with women is because he is famous.

1776
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 10: Well, it's also insecure because he played the role of

1777
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 10: like the fat looser, you know what I mean, just

1778
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 10: like Spreech from Saved.

1779
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 3: By the and he's talked about that.

1780
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:42,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say his insecurity is clearly like

1781
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 4: a driving point of this. But I would also say

1782
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 4: if she if this, if the roles were reversed and

1783
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 4: let's say again, like the most charitable case for his

1784
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 4: text messages, a woman is saying this to a man

1785
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 4: who's been struggling with a drinking problem or a drug

1786
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 4: problem or cheating something like that, these text messages leak.

1787
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 4: I think it would be a really different response. I

1788
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 4: think there's something particularly triggering in the public discourse about

1789
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 4: a man listing rules for women that sounds it hits

1790
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 4: us in the wrong way. I do think relationships need

1791
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 4: to have boundaries, but to your guys's point, those should

1792
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 4: be sort of implied. You should enumerate them in text

1793
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 4: messages like a constitution.

1794
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 10: And when I think when I think of a best

1795
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 10: friend or when I think of a romantic partner, you're

1796
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 10: on their team and they're on your team, Like loyalty

1797
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 10: actually matters, of course if you get to the very

1798
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 10: extreme stuff like hey, I committed murders, But like outside

1799
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 10: of the very few exceptions, it's like the whole point

1800
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 10: is I'm on your team. You're on my team for

1801
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 10: a best friend, for a significant other, And like this

1802
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 10: dynamic is the polar opposite of that, Like nobody looks

1803
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 10: at here's a list of rules for you, and goes

1804
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 10: like can't wait to hang out with them next time.

1805
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 3: You don't say.

1806
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you share somebody had tweeted out like you know,

1807
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 1: I hope you understand my boundaries and now.

1808
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 5: Get back in your cage.

1809
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 10: That is that is what it feels like, like.

1810
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,600
Speaker 5: You know, I want okay. So two questions I have

1811
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 5: for the group.

1812
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 1: Number one on the question of her leaking these messages,

1813
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: so putting the content of the message aside, do you

1814
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 1: think it was at all okay? I guess given the

1815
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 1: content of the message, like was it okay for her

1816
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:17,919
Speaker 1: to share this with the world.

1817
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 2: Or no, No, I should have come at the time

1818
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 2: of the breakup, if he actually cared. I mean, it's

1819
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 2: clearly like emotionally manipulative in order to try and hurt

1820
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 2: his recent you know chance it was recent chance, I

1821
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 2: think at a relationship and having a baby, and that

1822
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 2: I do think it is really you know, upsetting and bad.

1823
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 2: And I understand also where he is coming from. But

1824
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, at the end of the day,

1825
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 2: I don't condone or think people should be releasing this.

1826
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 3: Kind of stuff.

1827
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 2: But if it were to be like in any realm

1828
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 2: of acceptability, would have to come at the time of

1829
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 2: the breakup and have to be the reason of like

1830
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 2: this is why I left, and you know, especially she's like,

1831
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 2: he hurt me, and this is something that I want

1832
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 2: to exact. But right now it just really looks like

1833
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:54,679
Speaker 2: the worst type of bitterness and revenge.

1834
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 10: So I largely agree that it's like ethically sketchy. But

1835
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 10: having said that, that shouldn't prevent us from discussing the issue. Yes,

1836
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 10: but I see a lot of people playing this like

1837
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 10: little trick where it's like, because I don't think they

1838
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 10: should have been leaked, therefore totally off the table. Yeah,

1839
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 10: And honestly reminds me back in the day when like

1840
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 10: Edward Snowden released in the government was spying on all

1841
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 10: of us, and the establishment was like, you're not talking

1842
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 10: about that, Pretend you don't even know that, And it's like, no,

1843
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:19,560
Speaker 10: we're going to talk about the issue regardless of what

1844
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 10: you think, whether or not that you've been released. But

1845
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 10: I largely agree it certainly is ethically sketchy. What I'll

1846
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 10: say this is I'll say that the earlier messages I

1847
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 10: think were more defensible than the fact that she keeps

1848
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 10: freaking going with stuff that's not improving her case at all.

1849
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 10: Now you look like a psycho as well, because you

1850
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 10: are kind.

1851
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 3: Of a psycho.

1852
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 1: No really, yeah, yeah, I agree with Okay, another question. Okay,

1853
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 1: let's say because part of the context here is she's

1854
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 1: a surfer, so that makes it more unreasonable to be like,

1855
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 1: you can't post pictures of yourself in a bathing suit.

1856
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 1: And we saw the pictures that he wanted taken down,

1857
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: which were really pretty modest.

1858
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 5: They weren't like.

1859
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 1: Thirst traps, because you know, I would be a little

1860
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 1: more sympathetic if it was, like, you know, she was

1861
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,599
Speaker 1: posting these really overtly sexual pictures. I would be more

1862
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,839
Speaker 1: sympathetic to that. But when you see the actual photos

1863
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 1: and you're like, you're literally just surfing in a one

1864
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 1: piece bathing suit, it became, you know, significantly less sympathetic

1865
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: to his position. But let's say, and I think you

1866
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 1: brought this up, Kyle, maybe in the video you did.

1867
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 1: Let's say that you decide to date an actual Instagram

1868
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:20,560
Speaker 1: model who's like whole thing is to post thirst traps.

1869
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 5: All day long?

1870
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 1: Is it unreasonable to ask that person to change themselves? Like,

1871
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 1: if they're a model, they're an Instagram model, you know

1872
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 1: that going in and then you're like, I don't want

1873
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:31,799
Speaker 1: you posting thirst traps?

1874
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 5: What do you guys think?

1875
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 7: So why do we disagree on?

1876
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 10: And if you're dating an Instagram model, that's the whole

1877
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:38,600
Speaker 10: point is if you want the woman who posts.

1878
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 7: A thirst trap, I agree on that. I agree. I agree.

1879
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 3: It's like a weird do Well.

1880
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 10: I agree on that too, But then you control them.

1881
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 4: After again, if you fall in love and you realize

1882
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:51,560
Speaker 4: you have a change of heart, you want to like

1883
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 4: change your life, souf because it would be weird do well,

1884
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 4: it is on you.

1885
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:56,600
Speaker 7: I agree with that.

1886
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I can understand where Jonah

1887
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 4: Hill's defense. The way he wrote those messages wasn't like

1888
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 4: I'm gonna, you know, like tear up your stuff and

1889
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 4: like destroy your reputation.

1890
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 7: It was just, hey, if you want to do that,

1891
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 7: that's fine, it's not for me.

1892
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 3: I'm out.

1893
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 4: I think that's a reasonable thing if you and I

1894
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 4: don't think Jonah Hill was like converting.

1895
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 7: To like some conservative faith. But if that happened in

1896
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 7: the realm of it depends.

1897
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 4: You get into a relationship with someone, you realize that

1898
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 4: you have a different sexual ethics, or that the sexual

1899
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 4: ethics has been hurtful to you something like that, get

1900
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 4: out and you ask, just get out, and the other

1901
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 4: person says, no, fine if you. But I don't think

1902
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 4: the ask is crazy in and of itself. I think

1903
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 4: the ask is one of those things that will expose

1904
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 4: the incompatibility.

1905
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 10: I disagree because listen that that is the weaponization of

1906
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 10: the therapy speak that we were just talking about, this

1907
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 10: idea that like, you can hide behind this veil of

1908
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 10: high minded, serious therapy stuff to be like and I

1909
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 10: need you to change this very core thing about who

1910
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 10: you are. So I think, look, you know what you're

1911
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 10: signed Everybody knows what they're signing up for, and he

1912
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,600
Speaker 10: knew what he signed up for here, and so for

1913
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 10: them for him to turn around and be like, no,

1914
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 10: I don't approve of any of this, it's like nobody

1915
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 10: cares if you approve of anything. She's gonna do what

1916
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 10: she's gonna do.

1917
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 5: And where does it end to?

1918
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: Because clearly part, like a core part of what he

1919
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:10,679
Speaker 1: objects to is just her being in any position where

1920
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 1: other men could find.

1921
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 10: Her pot correct, Yeah, in security, that's all that is.

1922
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 5: Where does that end?

1923
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 3: Like she's.

1924
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: That's where it is, like she can't now she can't

1925
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 1: wear a bathing suit. She's got to wear a BERKINI

1926
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 1: or she's gotta you know, she's gotta like have floor

1927
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 1: length skirts. It just it gets to a level of

1928
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 1: where this is not about her. She's not doing anything wrong.

1929
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 1: You got issues that you need to work through. You

1930
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 1: need to maybe spend some more time with your therapist,

1931
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,879
Speaker 1: because you decided to date a woman who is beautiful

1932
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 1: and other people are going to find beautiful and you're

1933
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 1: gonna need to find some way to manage that and

1934
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 1: cope with that, otherwise you're gonna have some major issues.

1935
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 4: She shouldn't have deleted anything. I think that was like

1936
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 4: a slippery slope. She obviously was trying to.

1937
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:52,959
Speaker 10: Oh, she deleted some of the messages she posted.

1938
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 4: She deleted some of the right, right because like these

1939
01:28:56,200 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 4: these people are Yeah, exactly like there I do is

1940
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 4: about what's appropriate and what like.

1941
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 7: It is just fundamentally to the previous question.

1942
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 2: This is what I brought up when we were talking

1943
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:07,800
Speaker 2: about was Penn badgely I believe that's how you say

1944
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 2: from gossip Girl, but also recently of you actually said

1945
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 2: he is swearing off racy sex scenes that previously were

1946
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 2: a staple of the show out of respect for his

1947
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 2: new wife, and I was like, that.

1948
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Speaker 3: Is actually kind of interesting. It gets to you know,

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Speaker 3: in a way, like his wife got in she knew

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Speaker 3: what he was whenever she married him. Obviously.

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Speaker 2: That said, though it seems to be out of discussions

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Speaker 2: between him and his partner.

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Speaker 3: Like he felt like it was disrespectful to her. He

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Speaker 3: no longer wanted to do it.

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Speaker 2: But actually did because Yeah, but it did cause some

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Speaker 2: consternation on the show because they're like, well, hey, that's

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Speaker 2: like a core part of the contract that you signed

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Speaker 2: about the character.

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Speaker 10: Who don't know the background of that. His wife could

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Speaker 10: have been like, you're doing this or I'm leaving you

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Speaker 10: know what I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I just don't like that.

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Speaker 10: If you know what you signed up for, I don't

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Speaker 10: like the Well now you got to change it.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 10: It's like if christ like, you can't play golf anymore

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Speaker 10: my whole life, it doesn't mean like what are you

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Speaker 10: talking about?

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Speaker 4: Self tweeted pants Before she started or before we started this,

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Speaker 4: she was like, I think I'm going to come out

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Speaker 4: in favor of right to work.

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Speaker 10: Are one of the final points I wanted to make

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Speaker 10: is about introspection, because I think the thing that drives

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Speaker 10: me crazy about all this stuff is the lack of

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Speaker 10: introspection all around, because even minimal introspection, you would have realized, like,

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Speaker 10: I'm being a little crazy here on her side for

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Speaker 10: continuing to post all of this stuff over and over

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Speaker 10: and try to be the number one story in the country,

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Speaker 10: and on his side for like being so demanding and

1980
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Speaker 10: having this list of boundaries that he's enforcing after the fact,

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Speaker 10: when you already knew these things about her. People need

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Speaker 10: to like it goes back to the weaponization of therapy.

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Speaker 4: Thing.

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Speaker 10: If you stop and look inward and think, like, just objectively,

1985
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Speaker 10: how would a reasonable person view what I'm doing, I

1986
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Speaker 10: think it would have nipped a lot of this in

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Speaker 10: the bud and they would have realized very quickly, like,

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Speaker 10: if I'm doing minimal introspection here, I shouldn't be with her,

1989
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Speaker 10: she shouldn't be with me, That she isn't going to work.

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Speaker 10: It's a toxic relationship. If anything, the trajectory is going

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Speaker 10: in a worst direction, it will keep on going in

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Speaker 10: a bad direction. So I think that could have prevented

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Speaker 10: all of it. But unfortunately, I actually do think that

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Speaker 10: this you know, modern age obsession with therapy type stuff.

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Speaker 10: It actually gives people a very powerful tool to not

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Speaker 10: do introspection.

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Speaker 3: Oh this is narciss well, right, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 10: That is a masquerading is like intellectualism basically through therapy.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I was going to say on that.

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Speaker 4: Last point, and this is actually a fairly serious one.

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Speaker 4: I think therapy culture has allowed people do inflate definitions

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Speaker 4: of things like emotional abuse to a point where it

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Speaker 4: is actually very dangerous because it cheapens the experiences people

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Speaker 4: have with real emotional abuse and it allows everyone else

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Speaker 4: to put themselves in this sort of like that you

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Speaker 4: sort of step into the role of a victim when

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Speaker 4: she had plenty of agency in this situation.

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Speaker 7: She wasn't being coerced or controlled. She could have done

2009
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Speaker 7: anything that she wanted to do.

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Speaker 4: And it's weird behavior in Jonahill's part, but she is

2011
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Speaker 4: a free woman who is able to do what she needs.

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Speaker 7: She's exercising her freedom right now.

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Speaker 4: And to say that that is emotional abuse, I think

2014
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Speaker 4: is really allowing people to lump themselves in in an

2015
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Speaker 4: unfortunate way with people who are suffering very very severe

2016
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Speaker 4: actual like legal series emotional abuse, and that really is

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Speaker 4: an unfortunate trend I think for the country.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I agree with that. I would just say my

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Speaker 10: final point is just don't send the message in the

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Speaker 10: first place, just leave, and to her when she received

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Speaker 10: that message, of the second she received that, just leave.

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Speaker 10: So I see a lot of blame to go all around.

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Speaker 10: But I do think his at least prior to her

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Speaker 10: continuing to post all the messages. Prior to that, I

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Speaker 10: thought his behavior was way weirder. In those initial backs

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Speaker 10: and forths, it looks it looked like she was being

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Speaker 10: kind of like trying to appease him and trying to

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Speaker 10: be reasonable, and so that's why I think everybody sort

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Speaker 10: of jumped to her defense initially because it did seem

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Speaker 10: like very very controlling behavior.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do feel like I should stand up at

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Speaker 1: least for like therapy can be good for people, sure saying.

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Speaker 7: Like the terrible have you ever tried golf?

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Speaker 10: But I just think a line between alcoholism.

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Speaker 5: You know, it can be good to like, you know,

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Speaker 5: self reflect and work on your lives.

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Speaker 1: They're all good things, but then you have to consider

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Speaker 1: the line between working on yourself and then just like

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Speaker 1: obsessive narcissism, especially when it comes into contact with your

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Speaker 1: romantic partner.

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Speaker 5: Where I we'll leave things all right.

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Speaker 3: This is a great discussion. We had a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: Good way to end the hil We'll see you guys

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Speaker 3: later