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Membership driven. 0:02:51.840 --> 0:03:03.760 Check out their organization, become a member. This first excerpt 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:07.320 was taken from episode twenty one. The episode was called 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:11.880 Old Mountain Hunter or a Lee Province. This conversation that 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.080 I had with Ori was one of my favorites of 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:20.160 all time. Since the recording of this podcast or Lee 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:28.040 has passed away, but this was a very unique conversation. Well, 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.200 give me, give me just a little like kind of 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:35.280 a bigger glimpse of your life. So, bord Ninete, dad 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:37.960 was a logger, and you grew up just you stepped 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:42.400 right into the family business and just logg right with him. 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:46.400 And uh and then so you did that until when 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.280 and what other kind of occupations did you have? Well, 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:53.800 my dad died in forty four, but okay, and forty 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:58.480 one what the World War two broke out? And uh, 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:03.200 my brothers, three of them waiting to service. Okay, and uh, 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:07.480 I was oldest one left at home. Okay. I took 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:13.720 him my mother and uh my nephew, and uh two 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:18.919 sisters and a brother brother. Mm hmm. Yeah, so you 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.640 were just just a few years too young to be 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:27.560 drafted into the war. I was. I was my dad 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:33.360 daughter's sixteen, okay, and uh when I become eighteen to day, 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.760 I was eighteen. A day after I was eighteen, My 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:40.159 birthday come on Sunday that year. On Monday, I registered 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:45.240 and I went down in past examination eight David July 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:49.400 I got my calls for examination, went down passed, and 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:55.680 then Dave August got my call service, and uh, ministers 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.640 out here, and I had a big tomato crop out 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:04.200 right and acres formats and uh, I mean the family here, 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.720 we had to have something to live on. And uh 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.880 but anyway, why there's ministra out there? He said, this 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.920 boy they had to take care of his mother and 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:22.760 these children. And so he wrote, I got deferred until 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:27.840 two locked over the fifteenth and uh another words of 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:32.160 the cropper was over then. Uh, I've still got one 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.520 one eight classification, but the war was over that time. 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.599 Oh wow, so you just barely missed it. So what 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:43.760 year would that have been? Nineteen forty four. Well, let's see, 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:50.800 it been h forty seven. I believe it was something. Okay, okay, 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:56.040 forty that would have been somewhere longhe six, he's over 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.960 and forty six the war was, so you would have 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:03.000 gone if the war would have Oh yeah, yeah, the 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.479 lords and I went to school with him. There's in 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:13.080 there they went Germany. Yeah, I'll be done. Wow. So 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:17.240 so what it so? You logged up until how old 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.359 were you? Well, you grew to you grew tomatoes, you 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:23.760 did some farming, you had some cattle. Well I couldn't 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.000 worked in Timor. That was the main line up to 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:31.000 him years and years later. Yeah. But anyway, I went 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:35.760 and h man, my brother we uh that he never 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:40.080 did have to go to war, and so but he 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.919 went him, went and cut timor and logged it. I 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:47.080 hold it up, I hold it on a wagon. Yeah, 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.880 and uh he skipped it out and I wouldn't hold 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:55.800 it and dumped it off at the mail mhm. And 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.280 that was I forgotten that one year. That was as 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:06.359 in the late forties. Anyway, Now, the Great Depression, you 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:10.360 were just a kid during the Great These hills weren't 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.400 really I mean, they were affected by the Great Depression, 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.400 but people were already poor. Yeah, I mean there wasn't 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:18.760 much you could do to somebody that was just living 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:22.080 off the land basically when it comes to economic stress, 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:26.200 is that right, right? Right? Yeah, we lived off the land. Yeah. 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:30.680 And nineteen thirty six that was dry here, you know, okay, 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:35.120 and uh we had a miter crop and we haul 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.360 water and set them out and they got up and 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:42.280 just the blooming and everything turned off dry. We never 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:48.080 got a too mater and nineteen thirty six and that 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:56.560 was hard to take. Yeah, I remember that way all too. Yeah. Yeah, 0:07:55.960 --> 0:08:02.360 but we we worked in a tamer and uh, you 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:06.520 know they paper back then they finally got where they 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:09.920 brought out food stamps and thanks, but we never got any. 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:12.600 My dad just wouldn't have nothing to do with that, 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.800 just by principle, he didn't need any help. We we 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:18.960 made it. We made it without it. We worked and 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.160 they made it. Yeah. What would have been a normal 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.520 meal for your family back then when you were a kid, 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:33.080 had plenteteet? Yeah, had plenty teet. Yeah, we had anything. Yeah, 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:38.720 as you raised hogs and can vegetables, had had a garden. 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.080 I know you still have a garden, don't you well 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:47.240 yeah or yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we we made 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:52.720 it fine, well done, good. Yeah. I had about dirty 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:56.440 swarms of bees back during the war. While you couldn't 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:00.560 get sugar. Every food is all right, and you couldn't 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.120 buy nothing. Everybody's out of sugar. And I had bees 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:08.880 and we got to you could get permitted to feed 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.280 the bees, you know, because it used to the honey 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:18.160 somewhere another end guns. Yeah. I don't know this what 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:22.079 but that's what I heard it. So you were selling honey. 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.079 Well I didn't sell it, but we eat it. Okay, 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.520 you just had it. Yeah, we had it, and we 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.360 got penny of sugar to feed the bees, and so 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.280 we didn't have run out of shar A lot of 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:36.000 people never had no sugar, flour or anything. They couldn't 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:39.640 give this so much. Huh you come buy you come 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:50.040 buy a truck, tar or nothing. Not a pair of shoes, hardly. Wow. Yeah. 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:54.840 The next excerpt is my conversation with Roy Clark over 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:59.000 in East Tennessee this episode sixty seven, and it's called 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:04.840 Appalachian Hound Honey with Roy Clark, Part one. Mr Roy 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:09.480 is a special guy. He's very dear to me. He's 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:15.920 a master bear hound breeder and just a relic over 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:20.839 there in the Appalachian Mountains. It's a pretty incredible, pretty 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.920 incredible thing. And it's a unique you know, there's a 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.160 unique social structure that happens inside of like what I 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:30.600 see coming from the outside end looking at you guys. 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:34.840 I mean, just the relationships that that you guys have, 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.320 and I mean if you go bear hunting, whether you 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.640 see what it's all about. I mean, from daylight tell dark, 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:44.600 how many days a year are you guys together and 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:48.440 you're working together to accomplish a goal. And then now 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.280 Scott is over here every day helping Roy with the 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:55.080 dogs and stuff. Now that's a whole Another side of 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.280 the thing is just keeping dogs year round, you know. 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:00.840 I mean that's a lot of work in and of itself, 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.520 but uh yeah, it's a ton of work. It's a 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.199 ton of work. Yeah yeah. And you know that's something 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.599 that that all of us at some point of have 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.800 taken our turn. You know, Scott's taking jobs out on 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:16.000 the road, and then it'd be me or Matthew or whoever. 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.640 And that's the thing that you know, we've always took 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.240 a lot of pride and was the dogs and that's 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:23.480 you know, we're always talking about catching bears on the 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.720 ground and Matthew and and uh um. One of the 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.920 things that we're always looking out for is protecting those 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.720 dogs because that's our lifeline. You know, there is no 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.600 bear hunting for us without that pack of dogs. So 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:38.200 one of the most important things us when we go 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.480 into one of those bears is watching out for him 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:44.080 and doing doing our job to take care of them. Yeah, 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.959 that's our main priorities, the dogs first and whatever games 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:52.320 there that you know, well we handle it that way. Yeah. Yeah, 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.320 making sure the dogs are tied up for any bars 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.280 are shot out of the trees and you know all 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.280 that stuff. So yeah, if we ain't got them coldly 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:06.520 and kissing a little bird, that's right. Well, Mr Roy, 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:11.400 why don't you tell me about when you well, how 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.480 your dad. We'll just your first memories of bear hunting, 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:20.760 of going back to Alvin David Rights hunted with us 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:26.000 or how old you well, fifty four fifty four years 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:29.560 ever since he's been big enough to go and his 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:36.599 daddy honey with us, and his daddy like my daddy, 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:43.480 like Josh, like me. His daddy did and uh and 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.360 he hunted and we went to school together up here, 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:54.080 and and HiT's in there some more. I've got a 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:58.079 Mountaintine's card in there that he sent me when we 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:03.079 was about in the fourth grade. I and on that 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.960 Valentine's card he shent me. He said, we bear hunters, 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.360 ain't we rolling? That was his dad, Alvin David's dad. Yeah, 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:16.080 his dad, he said, we bear hunters. What grade would you? 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.320 How old would you have been? Was in the fourth grade, 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:22.200 So every every when that was how long ago? That 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.480 will be about nine years old? Yeah, and something like that. 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.240 So you stuck with you went ahead and just stuck 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:32.720 with that identity, didn't you. Yeah. His dad he short 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:35.439 of left us coming and went something. He's back now. 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.600 Maybe you'll stay. But that board, right, Chanter ain't never 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:48.679 bird today, buddy, mm hmmm mm hmm yeah, m hmm, 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:54.920 I love him. M Yeah, I know it, dude, Yep. 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:04.600 That that just shows you, Clay, what I mean it 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.840 means to us. You know, it's a it's beyond just 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:11.280 uh going out and having a big tim hunting. It's 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:15.760 beyond just uh um a group of guys here hanging 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:19.880 out in in Broy's house. You know, it's our life. Yeah, 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:23.880 you know, it's a something we've all grown up doing 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.200 all the way back through and it's just, uh, it's 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:34.960 a bond. Yeah, it really is. It really is. Should 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.960 He won't leave you bad, He won't leave you out 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:43.760 there and correct one yesterday, Yeah, leave you or the dogs. 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:45.880 He'd be the last one to come, and he'd be 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.680 the last one they're hoping to get the last dog. Well, 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:50.880 you know, I've hunted with you guys for three days 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.560 of the last sixty eight years. This guy's been bear hunting. 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.160 And the one time we had to fetch dogs after dark, 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:06.480 he he went, I knew that. Yeah, we've spent a 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.280 long nights in the in the truck together and and 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:14.000 uh stayed all night and freezing cold and whatever we 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:21.960 stay there with those dogs. Episode seven, that's for sure. 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.440 Dear to my heart. I had some of my close 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:27.760 friends in the room with me and it was called 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:32.800 Beginner's Guide to Building Your Family On Purpose. We talked 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:39.400 about building families, the transfer of family values into our children. 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:45.800 Really stuff that's super important to me. All this testing, 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.760 so what we're talking about, the building family culture, building 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:52.600 family culture, and all you guys, I respect every all 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:56.000 of you for the way that you have built your families. 0:15:56.000 --> 0:16:00.680 And I think nobody's doing everything right. I mean that 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.680 that the word right is a tough one, but we're 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.160 doing it intentionally. And I know all you guys well 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:10.080 enough to know that you're very intentionally building family culture. 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:12.760 And if if you don't hear anything else on this podcast, 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.040 and you know you're just listen to this and like 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.200 you just want to chew on something, my question to 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.920 you is are you being intentional with the way that 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.560 you're building your family? And that word building could throw 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.680 you off? And let me let me let me say 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.800 this right here? Is that there. I've got a couple 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:36.560 of written statements here. Um, let's see. Let's see. We 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.960 we research and consult almost everything that we want to 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.880 be proficient at. Do we not, Like if you're gonna 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:45.960 go on a big hunting trip, you're gonna learn about it. 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.080 If you want to get into cycling, like you go 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:53.520 to cycling experts and see what they say. Um, but 0:16:54.280 --> 0:17:00.640 with family stuff, a lot of times people are really isolated. Um. 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.600 Why why do you think that is? I think it 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:08.119 can be perceived as weakness to have to rely on 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.760 some on advice or counsel from someone else to build 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.000 your own family. You know, when you when you see 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:18.040 you know someone who's proficient at hunting, and and you see, 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.720 you know, I like to fly fish, and so you know, 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.359 I watch other guys, it's like, well, they've had a 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.400 long history of this, and I want to glean from them. 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:27.080 But when it comes to your own family, it's a 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.400 it's a really a sensitive spot because you don't want 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:33.120 to be seen as weak or there's there's the other 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.919 side of you. You get isolated because you don't want 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:38.880 to build like mom and dad, or you don't want 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:40.720 to follow their pattern and so so I'm gonna do 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.960 it on my own. I'm gonna find my own way. 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.680 And so it's it's almost a comparison of I don't 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:47.080 want to do that, so I'm gonna do it my 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:51.359 own way. And that can that can make you isolated, Yeah, 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.560 I think, and I think we as people a lot 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:58.080 of times are insecure and and to open ourselves up 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:03.639 for somebody else's input, it's pretty vulnerable. And it you 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:07.160 it takes time of doing that a lot that you'll 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.359 learn the value of it. And you're like, man, the 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:14.119 more I open up my life to input, the better 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.040 my life gets. The more I learned, the more my 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:20.120 the better my marriage gets. And so I remember even 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:24.720 early on um in my marriage, and then the same 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.879 with early on when I first had kids, like maybe 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.639 like the first time I kind of like went to something, 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.040 went to maybe one of you guys or you know, 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.640 people older than me, the married longer, had kids longer. 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.119 I remember, it was almost like, you know, what are 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.439 they gonna say? And like, what if I'm doing everything wrong? 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:47.720 And what if I'd yeah exactly. And then every time 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:51.439 that I did go to people wiser than me, always 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.320 got two things. I always got. Number one, they related 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.320 to me. I've never had an issue in my family 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.720 or marriage. Somebody was like you struggle with that? My gosh, 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:04.280 like you're you're a terrible person, Like you have a 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:08.480 marital struggle, are you? So it's like everything it's almost 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.480 like my friends would like fill in the sense, oh yeah, 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.240 and I bet you said this after you do that, Yeah, 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.479 that's it. And then I bet you felt like this 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.920 and yeah, and uh so that was one and that 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:23.080 right there is comforting and it shows you that it's safe. 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:27.359 And then the second looking at somebody that you you 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:29.719 perceived has made it through that and you're like, well, 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:33.040 they're okay and they had this problem. And then the 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:36.840 second thing is I've always had and I've always from 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:40.040 that received an alternative perspective that I didn't have before. 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:44.239 And it's like every single time I learned that I 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.960 can't do this on my own, you know. And I 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.720 know I'm jumping right into all this, but like that's 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.600 one thing I learned with building my family is like, 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:54.000 there ain't no way I can do this on my 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:59.919 own as exactly exactly. So I think it's it's like 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.240 this double edged sword. It's like we're kind of insecure, 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:04.320 but we kind of I want to do it on 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.399 our own, but at the same time that's really hard. 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.199 So we ended up just kind of feeling well, I 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:11.960 think people either just feel like a failure or they 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:14.679 just kind of build up. They kind of just say, well, 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:16.080 this is how I am, and this is the way 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.520 my family is gonna be forever, not really getting to 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:22.240 experience what could be better. Yeah, I think it's a 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:26.199 pretty American cultural thing to be really independent with your family. 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:33.879 I mean, just you know, cultures, cultures are built based 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:39.359 upon national history. I mean, and like you think about 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:42.480 the people that like settled in this region or heck, 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:46.600 every region of this country unless they're unless they're Native Americans. 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:50.520 They came here and there was like this pioneer spirit 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:55.440 that was on people to like bust through the wilderness 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:57.280 and make it on their own. People had to be 0:20:57.320 --> 0:20:59.639 self sufficient, and like here in the Ozarks, that is 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:03.280 a right that is honored. Self sufficiency. I mean, like 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:07.040 at the Newcom Farm, we hat tip to the idea 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:12.320 of self sufficiency big time. That's okay, but that cannot 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:15.080 be the definer of every part of your life or 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:18.520 you're a fool, you know. So like, yeah, we we 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.520 like to hunt some some of our own food, butchering 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.480 our own animals, grow some stuff, train or you know. 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:28.040 But when it comes to things that I am not 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:33.600 an expert on that I'm incapable, Well, anybody could can 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:38.160 have insight into their family and make decisions on their own. 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:41.159 We're not We're not suggesting that somebody is incapable of 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.639 making decisions on their own. But what I'm saying is 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:48.440 best practice inside of life is for people to be 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:52.240 connected inside of some network of people that they trust. 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:58.719 You know. Episode nine one is one that I'll never forget. 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:01.359 It was a conversation that I had with Jonathan Wilkins. 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:04.520 The title of the podcast was the history of Racism 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:12.240 and African American Hunting. This is a unique conversation, man. 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:19.080 You know, there's what you just said about African Americans 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:24.360 being so connected rurally for such a long time, it's 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:28.120 almost been like erased from the culture in a lot 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:30.040 of in a lot of ways. I heard a stat 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:35.120 today that there's three hundred thousand African Americans that hunt 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:41.440 in the US today. Three thousands of like eleven million hunters, 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:46.439 so less than less than one and ten. Does that 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:50.000 start ring with you? I mean, I've heard that from 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:54.800 a seventeen I believe that if you took that nationally now, 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:59.560 I'd say the I would almost have I would hazard 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:01.920 to guess that a bulk of black hunters are in 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:08.000 the South. Uh, but yeah, I bet if you you know, 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:11.360 if you look at the centers of African American life 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:15.840 in this country, uh, they're gonna be mostly in coastal 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:21.040 or northern cities. You know that. And these these are 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:26.520 population remnants of the Great Migration, you know, people leaving. Uh, 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:33.800 structural racism and and you know, physical violence in the South, 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:38.400 which moved to and they moved to the industrial cities 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:41.560 of the North because you know, you have you also 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:47.200 had a you had an economic shift out of agriculture 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:50.000 into production, and those production centers were in the North. 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:54.879 So you had these waves of people moving to you know, 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:58.480 uh St. Louis. Like my my dad's fami was originally 0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:01.680 from Kio, Arkansas. That's about thirty miles away from here. 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:11.800 But you know, I'm from St. Louis, uh Indian Indianapolis, Detroit, uh, Minneapolis, Baltimore. 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:15.480 You know, these are these were big industrial Boston, big 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:18.720 industrial cities that black people moved up to. Uh yeah. 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:22.120 And and it shows you kind of how short our 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:27.720 collective memory is because you know, just colloquially, you start 0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:33.280 to think that you know that I don't know that 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:37.080 maybe there's something inherent in blackness that uh that is 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:41.480 disassociative with the natural world. And if you just look 0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:47.160 back a little bit further, or you just you drive 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:50.159 around like the state that we live in, like you know, 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:51.560 you live in a part of the state where there's 0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:53.639 not very many African Americans. If you drove over to 0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:56.960 the opposite side of the state, you would see black 0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:00.200 people everywhere. You would see the whole towns. I mean 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:02.359 now small you'd see small towns, but like Cotton Plant, 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:06.720 which is about ten miles from Brinkley, Like it's probably 0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:10.920 almost entirely African American and that's all remnant of Yeah, 0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:17.320 that's agricultural populations where people lived. Um and you know, 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:20.760 and it's like you probably most people wouldn't think of 0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:24.119 black farmers, but across the delta, across the South, there 0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:27.880 are black farmers. They're you know, multi generational black farmers. 0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:36.520 Uh so yeah, I don't know. Man, the rich what 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:39.560 I was shocked at, Jonathan inside of this book and 0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:44.400 the first chapter, it's like, I mean, just is if 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:46.560 somebody could just even just read the first chapter of 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:51.600 this book, the rich history of hunting that was built 0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:57.280 upon kind of this plantation model. If I don't know 0:25:57.320 --> 0:26:02.040 another way to say it, but like, uh, the black 0:26:02.040 --> 0:26:04.639 people were in charge of there was a lot of 0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:07.480 hound hunting, a lot of dog hunting. They were running deer, 0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:13.480 they were running rabbits, they were well and so the 0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:15.960 a lot of the black guys were the hound handlers, 0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:19.760 and a lot of them were master houndsman fast, I 0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:25.440 mean that blows my mind. The next section is from 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:30.080 episode seventy three titled How Bear Hunters and Hillbilly's Defined 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:33.440 the State. It was a conversation with Dr Brooks Blevins. 0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:37.600 He's a historian, he's a serial book writer, he's got 0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:41.120 he's written so many books about history and the Ozarks, 0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:45.440 and that conversation. I just loved it to the core. 0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:52.600 You're gonna enjoy this segment just to spend there natural 0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:56.640 historic range. I mean, it's just this incredible animal and 0:26:56.640 --> 0:27:00.600 and with that incredible animal comes all this incredib history. 0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:04.199 So there's been this like resurgence of the idea of 0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:07.280 the Ozarks being a place to hunt bear and a 0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:10.560 lot of that happened, and it's really happened the last 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:13.720 twenty years as the bear populations have increased in the 0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:17.679 Ozarks and so the hunting regulations have liberalized in order to, 0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:20.719 you know, manage bear populations. So all of a sudden, 0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:23.399 guys are able to hunt bears in a in a 0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:25.359 in a more in a fashion where they can actually 0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:28.480 harvest them. Kind of liberalize, liberalize this season a little bit, 0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:31.240 and so all of a sudden, those arcs are on 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:36.440 the national radar for bears and I think that's cool. Yeah, 0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:40.520 it's and you're right. I'll admit I didn't know that 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:44.360 they were on the national bear radar until until today. 0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:47.000 But uh, but yeah, you know, one of the things 0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:51.000 I've noticed through the years is, uh, you know, regions 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:54.880 sort of come into vogue and then they slip back 0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:57.080 into the background, they come back, and it's kind of 0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.760 a cyclical thing. And you know, if you go back 0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:02.600 to the sixties and seventies, the Ozarks and the nineteen 0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:05.400 sixties and seventies, the Ozarks were really hot. You had 0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:09.480 the Beverly Hillbillies, and you had all these folk festivals 0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:11.760 going on around the region, and there was a lot 0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:15.320 of stuff, those Arc Mountain Darred Evils, you know, one 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:18.119 of my my favorite bands from the seventies, and a 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:20.120 lot of stuff. And then the regions sort of disappeared 0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:22.560 and then and then, and I think you're exactly right. 0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:26.280 And uh, just in the last decade, it's it's really 0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:30.840 made a comeback on on TV. And the movie Winner's Bone, 0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:34.960 a terrific novel and movie that came out a few 0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:38.560 years ago set set in the sort of meth cooking 0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:43.160 uh element of the Ozarks, and and uh and so 0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:47.880 I think, uh, you know, this, this resurgence of bear 0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:52.480 hunting and interest in and bear hunting is perfect and 0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:55.920 uh and at least as far as I'm concerned, there's 0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:59.600 no better headquarters than than the Ozarks for that from 0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:02.040 the history, from the history that I know about, that's 0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:05.760 that's pretty perfect place for it. Well. The first book 0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:07.760 that I read of yours, I've got it right here 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:12.120 in my hand, is uh, it's that. Well, it's titled Arkansas. 0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:15.320 And there's two ways to spell it on the title Arkansas, 0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:18.440 the historical way that ends with an s and then 0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:21.560 Arkansas spelled with the W at the end, the way 0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:23.960 we all say it. That's right, that's right. Yeah, we 0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:28.080 don't say Arkansas. We say Arkansas. And then the tagline 0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:30.600 and this is what man, you had me at this 0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:33.040 which may have been the may be the only person 0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:35.080 that ever read this book. I don't know, but uh, 0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:40.840 how bear hunters, hillbillies, and good old boys defined the state. Yeah, 0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:43.840 I can see how that. That's subtitle we get you. 0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:49.000 It took me hard, man, that hooked me hard. And 0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:52.440 that's really what I want to talk about. It's like, uh, 0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:57.480 is how you know I'm interested in how me specifically, 0:29:57.480 --> 0:30:00.840 how hunting culture influences the region, you know, because I 0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:05.120 think what's happening inside of modern hunting is we're trying 0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:08.840 to redefine our relevance, you know. I mean with a 0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:13.440 lot of things that happen urbanization, people being disconnected from 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:18.360 the land, disconnected from where they came from, um anti 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:23.360 hunting sentiment, people just not understanding the culture people are, 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:25.960 people are disconnected. So as hunters, it's kind of like 0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:29.959 we're we're trying to say, we know we're relevant, we 0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:34.080 know what we're doing is beneficial for wildlife, beneficial for economy, 0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:37.840 is beneficial for non game animals that were not hunting 0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:41.120 because of funding for wildlife that we're trying to protect. 0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:45.040 So all these amazing benefits that come from modern hunting, 0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:49.760 but we're trying to like carve out our relevance in 0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:53.520 a modern time. And so when I look at a 0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:56.320 statement like that, how Barren hunters, hillbillies and good boys 0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:58.920 to find a state like, I think, really, what I'm 0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:02.240 trying to do is I'm i'm I'm I'm curious about 0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:05.360 how other parts of my life. And I told you 0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:08.200 right before we started this that I'm a seventh generation 0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:11.640 are Kans and my kids are eighth generation. Uh you know, 0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:14.840 we we've really been hunters all the way through. And 0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:19.520 and I'm trying to figure out where hunting as influenced 0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:22.160 my life in maybe ways that I don't even understand, 0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:28.040 you know, right right, And uh yeah, I think, uh yeah, 0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:29.920 I think there's a lot to that. As you were 0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:33.800 talking about, I was thinking about a lot of things 0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:36.160 that have happened just in the twenty one century that 0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:38.360 these sort of revivals, And in a way, I think 0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:42.440 what you're talking about is sort of hunting revival in 0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:46.040 a sense. And I think about these uh you know, 0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:50.920 this this fad for we called acts throwing or whatever, 0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:54.120 where this thing is and and and a lot of 0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:58.400 these uh uh and and I think there's there, well, 0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:03.360 I know there's here in the you know, twenty years 0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:06.320 into the twenty one century, there there's a renewed interest 0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:09.640 in going back to the land amongst uh you know, 0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:12.360 a younger generation again. And I think a lot of 0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:17.560 that is a reaction to the fact that our society 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:23.080 is so urbanized and it's modernized, and it's it's gotten 0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:28.280 farther away from uh that you know, that past, that 0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:31.680 many of us probably romanticized a certain degree that that 0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:35.600 sort of that sort of hunting uh and and farming 0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:39.520 close to the land past that people are trying to 0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:42.640 reconnect with. And sometimes it's people who have who have 0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:45.320 been away from the land for a generation or two 0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:48.720 and they feel some sort of I don't I don't 0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:52.200 want some sort of emptiness or some sort of vacuum 0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:55.480 that that needs to be filled by by making contact 0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:58.520 with the land, whether that's you know, growing their own 0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:02.040 food or killing their own food or or or whatever 0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:04.640 that is. So I think I think it's all part 0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:09.120 of what I call it, uh, part of the primitivist spirit. 0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:11.720 And I don't want to get, you know, too too 0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:16.080 far into lengthy words here, but but I think I 0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:19.040 think primitive ism is a I think it's a it's 0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:24.560 a very strong uh force in in human society, especially 0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:29.160 in civilized human society, that extends well beyond this kind 0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:31.480 of stuff. It's in religion and politics and all that 0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:36.240 kind of stuff. It's it's a desire to reconnect with 0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:41.640 your origins in a very real, uh you know. It's 0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:45.320 just a very hands in the dirt sort of sort 0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:48.240 of way. And I and I think this is that 0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:54.680 a Is that a feature of a really modern prosperous society? 0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:58.680 I think I think it is like people back in 0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.240 the eighteen hundreds that were farming and bear hunting, Like 0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:03.640 you said, we romanticize that so much. They as sure 0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:05.600 as they weren't trying to reconnect with their past, They're 0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:07.520 trying to get away from it. Is that's right, That's 0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:10.560 exactly right. I mean, that's that's that's the insight right there. 0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:18.799 It's this next excerpts from a fellow Arkansan by the 0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:22.600 name of Keith Sutton. The episode was nine four and 0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:26.640 it's called a gunfight, a world record ray and mauled 0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.680 by a bison. I didn't know Keith real well when 0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:32.440 I sat down to talk with him, but as he spoke, 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:35.839 I realized what a unique man I was sitting with, 0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:40.160 and he had some incredible stories of adventure, and this 0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:46.120 just stood out to me as a really unique conversation 0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:50.440 when he talked about catching a world record ray in 0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:55.760 the Amazon River. You know people always asked about Brazil, 0:34:56.680 --> 0:35:01.000 weren't you scared being in those remote places? Was never scared. 0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:05.840 It was totally the opposite. Really, I'm scared going downtown 0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:08.800 a little rock at night. But I'm not scared being 0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:13.240 on the Amazon, six hundred miles from nearest town because 0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:17.640 there's nobody there. That's what made it exciting. You're in 0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:21.840 a place a few people visit, a few people are there, 0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:25.200 a few people lived there, and so you have all 0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:32.760 these amazing opportunities, especially fishing wise, uh, that are just incredible, 0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:36.640 and uh I was. I was never I never felt 0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:40.200 in danger. I mean we saw things that could have 0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:46.160 been dangerous. We saw fifteen foot anacondas and things like that, 0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:49.759 but I never felt like we were ever in any 0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:53.480 danger down there. I loved going to Brazil. The people 0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:57.320 down there really wonderful, and there's nowhere in the world 0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:02.200 got better fishing. I mean, it's incredib peacock Mass. At 0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:07.560 the time, nobody was really promoting the catfishing down there, 0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:10.680 and I didn't know my first trip down there that 0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:14.279 there were huge cat fishing. And when I found out, 0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:17.319 it's like, why am I fishing for peacock mass when 0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:24.279 I can catch us exactly. So my second trip, on 0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:27.960 my first trip, something happened that was kind of incredible. 0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:31.680 I was in the boat with a friend from Brazil 0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:36.040 and we saw this massive fish that was probably seven 0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:41.440 or eight feet across, round as a circle, that swam 0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:44.600 under the boat, and I'm like, what the heck was that? 0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:47.960 And he called it a hia and I didn't know 0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:50.200 what that meant at the time, but it means ray. 0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:54.560 But it was seven or ft seven or eight feet around, 0:36:54.880 --> 0:37:01.560 and I didn't had those in freshwater, no nowhere closed 0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:06.080 three thousand miles from the ocean, And so when I 0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:09.040 got back, I started trying to find out what could 0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:13.680 that be. Nobody knew. There was no information about a 0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:16.759 fish like that, So I decided, I know where I 0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:19.040 saw it, I'm gonna go back and try to catch it. 0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:23.239 So my second trip, I went an Arkansas boy named 0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:26.200 Catfish down there to do a man's job. I went 0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:29.320 to the same place my second trip, and I caught 0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:33.640 that fish. And it's called a discus ray. It had 0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:38.680 not been seen or described since the early eighteen hundreds, 0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:41.839 and it turns out there there's more of them than 0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:48.480 people really knew. Uh. Anybody catch well, Uh, I figured 0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.200 it's a ray. I'd caught a lot of big rays, 0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:58.360 and I'd caught the southern sting rays that were seven 0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:02.120 or eight feet across and they lay on the bottom 0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:05.280 and eat dead stuff. So I put a dead fish 0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:07.200 on the hook, threw it out on the bottom where 0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:10.480 I had seen this fish before, and within fifteen minutes 0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:13.640 I had it on. Why didn't something else e? I mean, 0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:16.840 like if that well fish so full of fish, I 0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:20.600 mean they are amazing difficult and fishing with those kind 0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:23.400 of baits. But I was just determined, you know, I 0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:26.520 was gonna try to hit the right spot, and just 0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:28.879 fortunately I caught it and it was like the most 0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:32.360 incredible fish I've ever seen. When I got back, I 0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:34.720 just said it, well, it needs to be a world record. 0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:37.520 I wanted to enter it the record book, and you 0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:42.200 have to have the fish identified by an expert. Uh. 0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:44.400 I couldn't find an expert knew what it was. I 0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:47.120 had all these great photos of this fish. None of 0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:50.200 the ray experts had never heard of it. Finally I 0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:53.200 found a guy in Germany who's a ray expert, and 0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:56.640 he said, this fish is painted in a book from 0:38:56.719 --> 0:39:00.320 the very early eighteen hundreds. It's the same fish, I 0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:03.320 have no doubt. In this book it was called a 0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:08.279 spine tailed the leposaurus, and the picture was identical. It 0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:13.960 had a short tail covered with spikes. Yeah, for sure. 0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:18.000 It's Uh, it was an incredible fish and uh it's 0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:22.480 still the world record. That particular fish was about six 0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:27.719 feet across, weighed almost two hundred pounds. Uh, and I 0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:32.719 caught several more while I was down there. I can't 0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:35.400 even imagine reel in a fish like that, like it was. 0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:39.120 Did they fight? Well, it's kind of like dragging a 0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:42.480 barn door, you know. It's it's like most raised you know, 0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:46.120 a lot of people who hook a ray here in 0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:49.520 saltwater just want to cut the line because it's so 0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:53.200 difficult to actually land one. You know, they're huge and 0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:56.120 they're flat, and they suck up on the bottom and 0:39:56.239 --> 0:40:00.160 don't want to come up. Uh. This one was the 0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:02.359 bottom and eight feet of water. I had to sit 0:40:02.400 --> 0:40:05.200 there and strum my fishing line to make him mad 0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:07.800 enough to get off the bottom. And what do you 0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:10.800 mean vibrate the fishing. Yeah, you kind of vibrate it 0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:14.040 like a guitar string, and it aggravates them and they 0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:19.759 eventually come up. And that or just that's that's a 0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:25.280 ray trick I learned in Virginia with some anglers out there. Uh. 0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:28.120 But when it came up, then I knew I had him, 0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:32.799 and it was an incredible dish. No, they don't eat 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:35.840 them at all. I wanted to release his fish a 0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:39.680 live but by the time we could get it weighed. 0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:43.359 I took a certified scale with me. By the time 0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:46.520 we could get to the boat, it had expired, so 0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:49.600 we couldn't release it. And I asked, you know, can 0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:52.640 we can you eat it? And they're like, no, We're 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:57.880 not gonna eat the piranhas, which was pretty incredible to 0:40:58.400 --> 0:41:00.799 all the anglers on the boat came been watched. Did 0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:03.239 we cut it up and fed it to the piranhas? 0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:08.320 That was pretty incredible, And that's an incredible story. It 0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:12.800 wasn't say the name of that fish again. We discus 0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:16.759 Ray is the same uh. And before there had been 0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:20.520 some small ones in the record book, I think eleven 0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:25.120 pounds something like that prior to you catching Yes, but 0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:31.760 it was they were smalls, Yeah, almost two hundred pounds. Uh. 0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:36.200 It was. The whole story was really incredible because it 0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:39.000 was such a rarity to you know, to be able 0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:43.920 to find something nobody knew anything about. I was just dumbfounded. 0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:49.960 When I got back and I'm talking to all these Uh, 0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:52.279 I can't remember for sure, but I believe it was 0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:55.120 two thousand one. I mean, that's like, is it We're 0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:58.279 not talking about like the nineteen sixties or something. I mean, 0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:01.560 so that's amazing to me that in one that you 0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:04.319 can still go to Brazil. My last trip, I went 0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:07.560 to the Shingoo River in Brazil, which is in a 0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:11.799 different area, and uh, we actually caught some catfish there 0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:15.560 that had never been described by science at all. Well. 0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:20.160 I came back with uh photos of fish that I 0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:23.400 needed to get identified, and I found an expert in 0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:29.640 Massachusetts at Cambridge University who spent his lifetime down their 0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:33.600 studying fish, and he found out I was going down there. 0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:36.520 He learned about this big ray and he said, if 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:39.200 you go to Brazil and you could photograph fish, send 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:42.080 send me the pictures. I'd like to see what you're catching. 0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:44.760 And it turned out some of the fish we caught 0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:49.200 had never been described by science. The local people knew 0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:53.160 about them, but science didn't know about it. They didn't 0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:59.320 have a name. A lot of them were unusual armored catfish. 0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:02.080 I mean to imagine you can go out this day 0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:06.960 and age and catch something science doesn't know about me. 0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:10.439 That's incredible, you know, if you think about it, though, 0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:15.040 we live in such a unique time as humans, because 0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:21.480 hundred years ago that would have been kind of normal, maybe, 0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:25.719 I mean so we yeah, we well normal in the 0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:29.040 sense of so much had yet to be discovered. But 0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:32.360 in the last hundred years, it's like all of a sudden, 0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:34.200 we're sitting in your living room in Arkansas, and we've 0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:36.799 got the world at our fingertips, and we feel like 0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:41.120 everything's been discovered. Ye and and it hasn't. And to me, 0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:45.360 that was always one of my things I love doing 0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:49.719 the most, was finding what's out there here in Arkansas. 0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:53.040 Even I found things over the years and nobody knew 0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:58.640 was here in Arkansas. Salamanders and birds and and snakes 0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:03.359 even that nobody knew were here. Uh they're kind of 0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:08.440 obscure animals. But Uh, there was a type of worm 0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:13.759 snake I found when I was Nobody knew it was here, 0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:18.319 and back then I would publish those findings in scientific 0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:21.959 journals so people wouldn't know. Uh, there was a salamander 0:44:22.000 --> 0:44:26.759 called a mole salamander. Nobody knew we had those here. Uh. 0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:31.239 Even today, Uh, if you dig and read on the 0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:36.799 internet every year, there's literally hundreds of animals being discovered. 0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:39.920 Nobody knew about it at all. I just did an 0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:45.080 article recently about just new fish that have been discovered 0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:51.359 every year. Yes, and every year there's several hundred new 0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:55.840 species being described, so we're learning more and more. A 0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:59.000 lot of it has to do with DNA and genetics 0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:02.920 or in and out. Fish that we thought were all 0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:07.320 one type of fish are really several species. But sometimes 0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:11.239 it's something brand new we didn't know about. And to me, 0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:16.400 those adventures when I was able to find something nobody 0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:20.000 knew about, that's the coolest thing in the world. It's 0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:27.680 really fun. That really is This next excerpts from episode 0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:31.280 ninety two, when I talked to Steve Rinella and Janie 0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:33.920 Pould tell us there's some guys I look up to, 0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:42.280 and I think you'll enjoy this little snippet of the conversation. Um, 0:45:42.320 --> 0:45:45.239 I just had a few just quick. I'm gonna run 0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:47.920 through these questions and then we'll be done. Um. So 0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:54.240 these are unanswered questions that people have about um, celebrities. 0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:57.360 I'm I'm, I'm. I'm a little leary to use the 0:45:57.360 --> 0:46:01.879 word celebrity because we don't we count man. I'm not sure, 0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:04.960 but no, I asked a few people and they were 0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:08.600 like they were joking, but they were serious. Question number one, 0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:11.200 and you can just give a short answer. Are you 0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:14.600 nice to your wife? We'll start with you honest extremely 0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:22.680 he is. Um, it just depends for me, man. I mean, 0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:24.279 you know, my wife's mad at me a lot. I'm 0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:26.520 mad at my wife a lot. We've been together twelve years. Man, 0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:28.360 We've got three little kids in the house. I'm not 0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:32.680 gonna sit here and tell you that, right. You're not 0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:37.160 gonna paint a super rosy because a bottomless uh, but 0:46:37.280 --> 0:46:40.280 your intentions like yeah, I mean there's a tremendous amount 0:46:40.280 --> 0:46:43.120 of love and respect and I would never do anything 0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:48.480 to disrespect my wife. But it's just like anybody knows, man, 0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:52.400 like get a kids. Yeah, you spend a lot of 0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:56.840 time on each other's nerves and yeah, just so people, 0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:58.720 it's just right. I don't I don't like the Actually 0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:04.120 it's not. It's just a reality. But um, but yeah, 0:47:04.120 --> 0:47:06.960 it's all it's all based on respect and love. But 0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:10.359 God just gets stressful sometimes. What I like to make 0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:13.040 sure that I do. And again I answered that question, 0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:15.720 you know quickly, so you could get through these questions quickly. 0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:19.799 But since we're getting into Um I tried to at 0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:23.719 least when I am to then, uh be humble and 0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:29.200 apologize and you know, okay and know that, Hey, Jana 0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:32.879 speaks very highly of you behind your back about your 0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:36.560 being a father and husband. That's nice. I'll do a 0:47:36.560 --> 0:47:41.920 little checking around. Um you're just a reference checking yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, 0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:45.840 Um let's see, uh number two, what do your wives 0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:51.120 think about all this? Like just you guys, like like traveling, hunting. 0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:55.279 You know, there was just short for me real quick. 0:47:55.280 --> 0:47:59.520 There was never not There was never like it wasn't 0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:02.560 like a thing got introduced. It was just always that way. Yeah, 0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:04.120 it was always that way. So I never had to 0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:06.320 go through a hurdle of being like, hey, I have 0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:08.960 a new life because you didn't. You didn't start it. Okay, 0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:12.480 that makes sense. Yeah, um, it very much was introduced. 0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:17.640 We've been married now seventeen years and uh so halfway 0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:19.799 through this thing kind of started and started traveling a 0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:21.839 whole bunch more. Although we had always been a part 0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:24.719 of some because I was a hunting guide and would 0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:26.839 be gone for most of the fall, and she spent 0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:28.520 a lot of time in the field all summer, so 0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:30.719 she would be sometimes gone in a different state for 0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:36.440 three months. Um, but uh yeah, she's very supportive of 0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:41.239 whatever I do. And uh it's also you know, you know, 0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:44.279 a source of income, and it's nice to be able 0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:46.200 to do something you love to do, you know, to 0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:50.680 you know, for your income. So yeah, I can't say 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:53.400 no to that. Okay. So Meteor was built on this 0:48:53.520 --> 0:48:58.399 authenticity inside of a context, and the hunting world that 0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:04.200 was had lost a lot authenticity. And so the question 0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:07.360 is and that's and that's what would characterize you, Steve, 0:49:07.920 --> 0:49:09.720 and you're honest too, and just kind of the brand 0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:15.520 I feel like it's is authenticity. And so how do 0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:19.960 you maintain that authenticity in the midst of massive growth 0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:23.880 when we know, like like everybody knows that consumes honey 0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:26.520 media that it has to be paid for? I mean, 0:49:26.680 --> 0:49:30.200 so what what stole authing that you don't think? So? 0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:34.080 I mean what stole authenticity that really irritates people? Well, 0:49:34.320 --> 0:49:41.120 is that guys' of providing like basically free media? Right? A. 0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:43.720 Podcasts are free? Right? I mean it's an advertising comporment, 0:49:43.719 --> 0:49:46.759 but you're in producing like free media. Um, Netflix, you 0:49:46.760 --> 0:49:50.960 know it's not free, but it's a very low subscriber fee. 0:49:51.120 --> 0:49:55.040 It's an it's a bottomless pit of content, right like 0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:59.759 you know, I don't. It's not transactional per episode. How 0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:04.560 are people are very irritated when confronted with the idea 0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:10.359 that you need to finance this operation, the operation that 0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:12.960 you need to finance your ability to make free content. 0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:16.440 I get it, yeah, but people know it's not understood. 0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:19.279 I don't think it's why I understood. Well, so how 0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:21.640 do you how do you maintain because I mean what 0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:24.319 I was saying was that you've you've done a good 0:50:24.400 --> 0:50:30.360 job of maintaining that authenticity and inside of the context. 0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:33.080 So how do you keep doing that? Hey? Let me, 0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:36.040 let me let me. Uh, I've got it. I digressed 0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:39.480 to uh, but go ahead. But but I think the 0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:42.359 questions you kind of the questions like there, but it's 0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:47.000 eluding you. Well that's the question. How do you how 0:50:47.000 --> 0:50:51.000 do you build a business like you like you have 0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:55.759 and maintain the authenticity that got you here? I mean 0:50:55.800 --> 0:50:59.880 I think it's this because because because it'd be like 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:03.840 let's say you make shoes, okay, and you make good shoes, 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:07.040 and then pretty soon you have a big company that 0:51:07.120 --> 0:51:11.520 makes shoes. People aren't going to say to you, um, 0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:16.239 how do you continue to make shoes? Like, well, that's 0:51:16.280 --> 0:51:19.399 what we do. Well, so I'm saying, like, what got what? What? 0:51:19.400 --> 0:51:24.960 What got? You know what? What created the situation? Anyways, 0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:27.000 it's just still what's creating. It's just like making a 0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:30.520 thing that was making a thing that felt real and 0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:34.719 you could feel passionate. If you stop doing that, you've 0:51:34.719 --> 0:51:37.320 stopped making shoes. Do you see that? You know what 0:51:37.320 --> 0:51:40.799 I'm saying, Like people, what you're saying, like, what is it? 0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:43.160 If you're not doing that anymore, then you're not doing 0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:47.440 the thing that that right that people want it anyway? 0:51:47.480 --> 0:51:50.200 But do you not see that? That's what happens to 0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:55.040 companies though, is they They they lose that when they 0:51:55.080 --> 0:51:58.279 get big. And that's certainly not what I'm saying. I'm well, 0:51:58.480 --> 0:52:00.919 they might, but I don't know how you keep Yeah, 0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:03.839 I don't know. I can't really well. I think in 0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:07.040 our context though, in the hunting industry, I think maybe 0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:09.319 what you're getting at is that because of the way 0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:13.400 that you have to pay to make this stuff keep working, right, 0:52:13.760 --> 0:52:19.040 you have partnerships and advertisers and you have to make 0:52:19.080 --> 0:52:21.920 them happy, and so at some point you come up 0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:25.960 to a thing where there's a huge check that's associated 0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:27.919 with baby a product or a brand that you don't 0:52:27.920 --> 0:52:31.040 align with. But if you need that check real bad, 0:52:31.280 --> 0:52:33.799 you have to go that route, right, and then you 0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:36.040 end up endorsing maybe a product or a brand that 0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:39.239 you necessarily don't align with, and people see that you 0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:44.960 are being inauthentic, and then it could cost you your authenticity, 0:52:45.160 --> 0:52:48.680 not like in the material you make, but well in 0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:54.960 a holistic the holistic place and not just that, but yes, that, yeah, 0:52:55.120 --> 0:52:57.400 I mean speaking to that, I think we've just always 0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:00.880 stood our ground and when that's off comes around and 0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:04.200 I mean there's there's just boxes and boxes of gear 0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:07.440 that comes across through the doors and meteor and across 0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:10.279 our desks where we just look at it and it's like, hey, 0:53:10.280 --> 0:53:12.239 it might be good, but it's just not us, you know, 0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:14.640 and we know we just passed on it. And we've 0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:18.439 you know, speaking to Steve's loyalty, I mean First Light 0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:21.239 was the first clothing brand that he got in with 0:53:21.320 --> 0:53:24.719 and been with them for ten years now, you know. Yeah, 0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:26.839 the first two people to get behind our show, we're 0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:32.879 first Light and Vortex. Yeah and read to this day. Yeah, 0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:36.520 they're still there. Yeah, but I think and I don't 0:53:36.560 --> 0:53:43.680 have like and and um to endorse talk about recommend 0:53:44.760 --> 0:53:50.400 Vortex products is not painful. It's authentic because you and 0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:53.440 I have it like a, yeah, there's a product connection, 0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:59.200 but I have an emotional connection there. That's not all, 0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:02.359 you know. I don't want to tell you that that's 0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:05.400 something that's like that that emotional aspect is always present, 0:54:05.440 --> 0:54:08.000 but there's parts of it that I'm I'm like quite 0:54:08.040 --> 0:54:10.960 proud of that fact. I don't view it. I don't 0:54:11.040 --> 0:54:12.759 view that I'm able to have like a long term 0:54:12.800 --> 0:54:16.640 relationship and a you know, a sponsorship arrangement, um, the 0:54:16.680 --> 0:54:21.000 reciprocal relationship with Vortex. I don't look at that as 0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:22.879 being like, oh, it's just a thing I had to do. 0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:26.319 I'm like proud of that. And see what I'm what 0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:29.279 I what I see is that I think there's an 0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:34.480 internal component inside of inside of somebody that's got to 0:54:34.520 --> 0:54:37.839 be pretty strong to maintain that kind of authenticity in 0:54:37.880 --> 0:54:41.120 the midst of success. So, I mean, I guess and 0:54:41.160 --> 0:54:44.120 maybe it's so deep inside of you guys that you 0:54:44.160 --> 0:54:47.080 don't you don't even know. No, that's not true, man, 0:54:47.280 --> 0:54:50.400 you don't think I don't want to like act like 0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:55.279 I don't understand your question. Ah, No, we can. We 0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:58.120 have conversations all time about about what what do you 0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:07.759 mean we have? What we do is deliberate. Yeah, it's 0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:17.600 not accidental. Okay. We have conversations every day about what not, 0:55:17.760 --> 0:55:23.040 like how to what not? Turning laughter, turning right. But 0:55:23.160 --> 0:55:27.120 it's like conversations every day about like getting it right, 0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:34.839 like getting it right. Detail. We did a hunt last 0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:36.560 year with these guys at this place called Crickets, Guy 0:55:36.600 --> 0:55:41.839 Outfitters and Wyoming great dudes, like great, great dudes. I 0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:44.360 love those guys. Um And I was having a conversation 0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:51.040 with the sun landed Uh Peterson, and he was observing 0:55:51.080 --> 0:55:53.080 one day to me, he was like talking about how 0:55:53.160 --> 0:55:55.960 he tried he like observes, he's I would regard him 0:55:55.960 --> 0:55:59.960 like like a successful person right, like does things intentionally. 0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:04.040 And he was observing. He was telling me how he 0:56:04.040 --> 0:56:08.399 observed successful people and he said, a thing that he's 0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:12.359 noticed is that they pay attention to all the details. 0:56:13.080 --> 0:56:15.799 They pay attention to the details at their home. They 0:56:15.840 --> 0:56:18.400 pay attention to the details of how they raise their children. 0:56:18.719 --> 0:56:20.759 They pay attention to the details of what they do 0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:23.640 at work. They pay attention to the details of their vehicle. 0:56:23.920 --> 0:56:28.839 They like, pay attention to the details always. You can 0:56:28.960 --> 0:56:31.799 make a there can be a you can have a 0:56:31.840 --> 0:56:37.279 facade of carelessness or a facade of shooting from the hip. 0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:44.759 But I think that most people are able to do 0:56:44.880 --> 0:56:48.920 something for a long time, are very cognizant of details. 0:56:48.960 --> 0:56:50.880 And I think that we sit around arguing about the 0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:52.759 people will be like, I cannot believe these people are 0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:58.000 arguing about something that seems so mundane. It seems so silly. 0:56:58.480 --> 0:57:02.279 But we as an organization whever, like, we don't think 0:57:02.280 --> 0:57:06.480 it's silly. Yeah, So when I say it's deliberate, there's 0:57:06.560 --> 0:57:10.839 like there's like I'm like aware of what we do 0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:13.520 and how we do it. Not to say that, you know, 0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:16.520 you don't make all kinds of screw ups, but you know, 0:57:17.240 --> 0:57:21.040 we discuss things. I like it. I like a great 0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:23.919 length things that would be silly. When we're making our show, 0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:29.439 we argue over like like seconds of things, like really 0:57:29.440 --> 0:57:37.560 like seconds considerable back and forth. Last like, how could 0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:42.600 we talk about the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast without including 0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:48.680 Ted Nugent's performance of Fred Bear a highlight for sure. 0:57:50.720 --> 0:57:54.480 We spent that last October together for about a week, 0:57:55.160 --> 0:57:59.080 and then the next spring he died and I went 0:57:59.080 --> 0:58:02.840 out to do my chory one day, and we're all 0:58:02.880 --> 0:58:06.520 shattered at his death. It was just he was just 0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:10.160 unbelievable because he made such an imprint on everybody. He's 0:58:10.200 --> 0:58:13.560 a great, great man. Did you ever meet him? Well, 0:58:13.600 --> 0:58:16.640 you're going to meet him right now. And so I 0:58:16.680 --> 0:58:18.919 went out to do my chores. I had my dog, 0:58:19.000 --> 0:58:25.520 biscuits and my Irish setters now porch. I went and 0:58:25.520 --> 0:58:27.200 I grabbed the guitar and I just I didn't know, 0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:30.280 I had no idea. I wasn't thinking of Fred. I 0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:36.600 just sat down, I went. I always played killer licks 0:58:36.600 --> 0:58:38.880 when I picked up the guitar, but I never played 0:58:38.920 --> 0:58:47.480 one like this before. There I was back in a 0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:54.160 while again, and I felt right at home where I belong. 0:58:58.000 --> 0:59:04.200 And I had that feeling coming over me again, just 0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:11.160 like it happened so many times before, so many times. 0:59:24.040 --> 0:59:27.880 The spirit of the woods. He's like an old good friend, 0:59:30.720 --> 0:59:38.360 makes me feel warm and good inside. I know his name. 0:59:39.280 --> 0:59:44.760 It's good to see him again because in the wind 0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:51.400 he's still a live talking about Fred Bear, walk with 0:59:51.480 --> 0:59:57.960 me down the trails again, Take me back, Take me 0:59:58.080 --> 1:00:05.560 back where I belong. Fred Bear. I'm glad to have 1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:10.000 you with my side, my friend, and I will join 1:00:10.120 --> 1:00:30.360 you on the big hunt before too long. And it 1:00:30.440 --> 1:00:37.080 was kind of dark, another misty dusk, and it came 1:00:37.120 --> 1:00:44.000 from a tangle down below. And I tried, I tried 1:00:44.080 --> 1:00:50.640 to remember everything he taught me so well. I had 1:00:50.680 --> 1:00:59.080 to decide which way to go. Was I long or 1:00:59.160 --> 1:01:05.560 in a hunter stream? The moment of truth is here, 1:01:05.640 --> 1:01:13.160 and now I felt his touch, I felt his guide 1:01:13.160 --> 1:01:21.960 in hand, and the buck wars mine for evermore because 1:01:22.000 --> 1:01:26.800 of fred Bear. I still walk down those trails again. 1:01:28.000 --> 1:01:33.720 He takes me back, takes me back. I belong fred 1:01:35.280 --> 1:01:39.440 Fred Bear. I'm glad to have you in my side, 1:01:39.680 --> 1:01:44.240 my friend, and I will join you on the big 1:01:44.320 --> 1:02:29.959 hunt before too long. And we're not alone when we're 1:02:30.000 --> 1:02:36.400 in the great outdoors. We got his spirit, we got 1:02:36.480 --> 1:02:44.800 his soul, and he guards my steps, guid's my arrows home. 1:02:47.840 --> 1:02:53.240 The restless spirit for ever roams and it roams with 1:02:53.400 --> 1:02:59.680 Fred Bear. When I walk down those trails again, he'd 1:02:59.680 --> 1:03:07.600 take makes me back, takes me back. I belong fred Bear. 1:03:08.560 --> 1:03:12.000 I'm glad to have you went my side, my friend, 1:03:13.280 --> 1:03:16.760 and I will join you on the big hunt before 1:03:16.960 --> 1:03:26.480 too long. Because in the wind, he's still alive in 1:03:26.840 --> 1:03:37.040 the wind. He's still alive in the wind. I can 1:03:37.120 --> 1:03:47.520 hear I hear Fred Bear, I hear you, Fred. Hey Fred. 1:03:47.600 --> 1:03:51.680 Let's go hunt, buddy, Calm, you go up that ridge. 1:03:53.440 --> 1:04:22.280 I'll go down this swamp. Baby, get that book. I 1:04:22.280 --> 1:04:26.640 hope you've enjoyed these highlights from the Bear Hunting Magazine 1:04:26.680 --> 1:04:29.840 podcast over the last couple of years. These were all 1:04:29.920 --> 1:04:33.280 special moments that were memorable to me, and they most 1:04:33.280 --> 1:04:37.760 certainly were not all the special moments. Holy cow, every 1:04:37.840 --> 1:04:42.720 single episode, every single guest had extreme value to bring 1:04:42.760 --> 1:04:46.680 to our listeners. Thank you, Thank you for your support 1:04:46.760 --> 1:04:50.360 of Bear Hunting Magazine and our podcast and what we're doing. 1:04:50.760 --> 1:04:52.960 I hope you have a great Christmas. I hope you 1:04:53.000 --> 1:04:55.360 stay safe. I hope you have a great New Year. 1:04:56.040 --> 1:04:58.600 You'll hear from us again, but it might be in 1:04:58.640 --> 1:05:03.840 a condensed version in the next podcast. Merry Christmas, boys 1:05:03.840 --> 1:05:06.360 and girls, have a good one.