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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host of the

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Speaker 1: Bear Hunting Magazine Podcast. I'll also be your host into

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Speaker 1: the world of hunting the icon of the North American

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Speaker 1: planet chasing Fair. This week on the Bear Hunting Magazine Podcast,

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Speaker 1: we're taking a look back at the last two and

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Speaker 1: our conversations with the incredible people that we've had as

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Speaker 1: just wasn't a way to include every special moment, every

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Speaker 1: was taken from episode twenty one. The episode was called

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Speaker 1: Old Mountain Hunter or a Lee Province. This conversation that

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Speaker 1: I had with Ori was one of my favorites of

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Speaker 1: all time. Since the recording of this podcast or Lee

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Speaker 1: has passed away, but this was a very unique conversation. Well,

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Speaker 1: give me, give me just a little like kind of

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Speaker 1: a bigger glimpse of your life. So, bord Ninete, dad

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Speaker 1: And uh and then so you did that until when

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Speaker 1: and what other kind of occupations did you have? Well,

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Speaker 1: my dad died in forty four, but okay, and forty

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Speaker 1: one what the World War two broke out? And uh,

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Speaker 1: him my mother and uh my nephew, and uh two

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Speaker 1: And nineteen thirty six that was dry here, you know, okay,

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Speaker 1: Appalachian Hound Honey with Roy Clark, Part one. Mr Roy

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Speaker 1: a master bear hound breeder and just a relic over

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Speaker 1: dogs and stuff. Now that's a whole Another side of

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing that you know, we've always took

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Speaker 1: that's our main priorities, the dogs first and whatever games

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Speaker 1: of going back to Alvin David Rights hunted with us

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Speaker 1: ever since he's been big enough to go and his

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Speaker 1: ain't we rolling? That was his dad, Alvin David's dad. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: his dad, he said, we bear hunters. What grade would you?

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Speaker 1: How old would you have been? Was in the fourth grade,

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Speaker 1: So every every when that was how long ago? That

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Speaker 1: will be about nine years old? Yeah, and something like that.

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Speaker 1: So you stuck with you went ahead and just stuck

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Speaker 1: That that just shows you, Clay, what I mean it

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Speaker 1: means to us. You know, it's a it's beyond just

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Speaker 1: uh going out and having a big tim hunting. It's

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Speaker 1: beyond just uh um a group of guys here hanging

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a something we've all grown up doing

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Speaker 1: a bond. Yeah, it really is. It really is. Should

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Speaker 1: He won't leave you bad, He won't leave you out

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Speaker 1: the Beverly Hillbillies, and you had all these folk festivals

426
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: going on around the region, and there was a lot

427
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: of stuff, those Arc Mountain Darred Evils, you know, one

428
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: of my my favorite bands from the seventies, and a

429
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. And then the regions sort of disappeared

430
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: and then and then, and I think you're exactly right.

431
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: And uh, just in the last decade, it's it's really

432
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: made a comeback on on TV. And the movie Winner's Bone,

433
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: a terrific novel and movie that came out a few

434
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: years ago set set in the sort of meth cooking

435
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: uh element of the Ozarks, and and uh and so

436
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, this, this resurgence of bear

437
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: hunting and interest in and bear hunting is perfect and

438
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: uh and at least as far as I'm concerned, there's

439
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: no better headquarters than than the Ozarks for that from

440
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: the history, from the history that I know about, that's

441
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: that's pretty perfect place for it. Well. The first book

442
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: that I read of yours, I've got it right here

443
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: in my hand, is uh, it's that. Well, it's titled Arkansas.

444
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: And there's two ways to spell it on the title Arkansas,

445
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: the historical way that ends with an s and then

446
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: Arkansas spelled with the W at the end, the way

447
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: we all say it. That's right, that's right. Yeah, we

448
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: don't say Arkansas. We say Arkansas. And then the tagline

449
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: and this is what man, you had me at this

450
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: which may have been the may be the only person

451
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: that ever read this book. I don't know, but uh,

452
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: how bear hunters, hillbillies, and good old boys defined the state. Yeah,

453
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: I can see how that. That's subtitle we get you.

454
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: It took me hard, man, that hooked me hard. And

455
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: that's really what I want to talk about. It's like, uh,

456
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: is how you know I'm interested in how me specifically,

457
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: how hunting culture influences the region, you know, because I

458
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: think what's happening inside of modern hunting is we're trying

459
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: to redefine our relevance, you know. I mean with a

460
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: lot of things that happen urbanization, people being disconnected from

461
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: the land, disconnected from where they came from, um anti

462
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: hunting sentiment, people just not understanding the culture people are,

463
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: people are disconnected. So as hunters, it's kind of like

464
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 1: we're we're trying to say, we know we're relevant, we

465
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: know what we're doing is beneficial for wildlife, beneficial for economy,

466
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: is beneficial for non game animals that were not hunting

467
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: because of funding for wildlife that we're trying to protect.

468
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: So all these amazing benefits that come from modern hunting,

469
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: but we're trying to like carve out our relevance in

470
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: a modern time. And so when I look at a

471
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: statement like that, how Barren hunters, hillbillies and good boys

472
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: to find a state like, I think, really, what I'm

473
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: trying to do is I'm i'm I'm I'm curious about

474
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: how other parts of my life. And I told you

475
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: right before we started this that I'm a seventh generation

476
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: are Kans and my kids are eighth generation. Uh you know,

477
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: we we've really been hunters all the way through. And

478
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to figure out where hunting as influenced

479
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: my life in maybe ways that I don't even understand,

480
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, right right, And uh yeah, I think, uh yeah,

481
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot to that. As you were

482
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: talking about, I was thinking about a lot of things

483
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: that have happened just in the twenty one century that

484
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: these sort of revivals, And in a way, I think

485
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: what you're talking about is sort of hunting revival in

486
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: a sense. And I think about these uh you know,

487
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: this this fad for we called acts throwing or whatever,

488
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: where this thing is and and and a lot of

489
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: these uh uh and and I think there's there, well,

490
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: I know there's here in the you know, twenty years

491
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: into the twenty one century, there there's a renewed interest

492
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: in going back to the land amongst uh you know,

493
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: a younger generation again. And I think a lot of

494
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: that is a reaction to the fact that our society

495
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: is so urbanized and it's modernized, and it's it's gotten

496
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: farther away from uh that you know, that past, that

497
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: many of us probably romanticized a certain degree that that

498
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: sort of that sort of hunting uh and and farming

499
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: close to the land past that people are trying to

500
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: reconnect with. And sometimes it's people who have who have

501
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: been away from the land for a generation or two

502
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: and they feel some sort of I don't I don't

503
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: want some sort of emptiness or some sort of vacuum

504
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: that that needs to be filled by by making contact

505
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: with the land, whether that's you know, growing their own

506
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: food or killing their own food or or or whatever

507
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: that is. So I think I think it's all part

508
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: of what I call it, uh, part of the primitivist spirit.

509
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: And I don't want to get, you know, too too

510
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: far into lengthy words here, but but I think I

511
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: think primitive ism is a I think it's a it's

512
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: a very strong uh force in in human society, especially

513
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: in civilized human society, that extends well beyond this kind

514
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: of stuff. It's in religion and politics and all that

515
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. It's it's a desire to reconnect with

516
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: your origins in a very real, uh you know. It's

517
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: just a very hands in the dirt sort of sort

518
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: of way. And I and I think this is that

519
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: a Is that a feature of a really modern prosperous society?

520
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: I think I think it is like people back in

521
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds that were farming and bear hunting, Like

522
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: you said, we romanticize that so much. They as sure

523
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: as they weren't trying to reconnect with their past, They're

524
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: trying to get away from it. Is that's right, That's

525
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: exactly right. I mean, that's that's that's the insight right there.

526
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: It's this next excerpts from a fellow Arkansan by the

527
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: name of Keith Sutton. The episode was nine four and

528
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: it's called a gunfight, a world record ray and mauled

529
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: by a bison. I didn't know Keith real well when

530
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: I sat down to talk with him, but as he spoke,

531
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: I realized what a unique man I was sitting with,

532
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: and he had some incredible stories of adventure, and this

533
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: just stood out to me as a really unique conversation

534
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: when he talked about catching a world record ray in

535
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: the Amazon River. You know people always asked about Brazil,

536
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: weren't you scared being in those remote places? Was never scared.

537
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: It was totally the opposite. Really, I'm scared going downtown

538
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: a little rock at night. But I'm not scared being

539
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: on the Amazon, six hundred miles from nearest town because

540
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: there's nobody there. That's what made it exciting. You're in

541
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: a place a few people visit, a few people are there,

542
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: a few people lived there, and so you have all

543
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 1: these amazing opportunities, especially fishing wise, uh, that are just incredible,

544
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: and uh I was. I was never I never felt

545
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: in danger. I mean we saw things that could have

546
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: been dangerous. We saw fifteen foot anacondas and things like that,

547
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: but I never felt like we were ever in any

548
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: danger down there. I loved going to Brazil. The people

549
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: down there really wonderful, and there's nowhere in the world

550
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: got better fishing. I mean, it's incredib peacock Mass. At

551
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: the time, nobody was really promoting the catfishing down there,

552
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: and I didn't know my first trip down there that

553
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: there were huge cat fishing. And when I found out,

554
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: it's like, why am I fishing for peacock mass when

555
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: I can catch us exactly. So my second trip, on

556
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: my first trip, something happened that was kind of incredible.

557
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: I was in the boat with a friend from Brazil

558
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: and we saw this massive fish that was probably seven

559
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: or eight feet across, round as a circle, that swam

560
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: under the boat, and I'm like, what the heck was that?

561
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: And he called it a hia and I didn't know

562
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: what that meant at the time, but it means ray.

563
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: But it was seven or ft seven or eight feet around,

564
00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: and I didn't had those in freshwater, no nowhere closed

565
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: three thousand miles from the ocean, And so when I

566
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: got back, I started trying to find out what could

567
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: that be. Nobody knew. There was no information about a

568
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: fish like that, So I decided, I know where I

569
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: saw it, I'm gonna go back and try to catch it.

570
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: So my second trip, I went an Arkansas boy named

571
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: Catfish down there to do a man's job. I went

572
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: to the same place my second trip, and I caught

573
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: that fish. And it's called a discus ray. It had

574
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: not been seen or described since the early eighteen hundreds,

575
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: and it turns out there there's more of them than

576
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: people really knew. Uh. Anybody catch well, Uh, I figured

577
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: it's a ray. I'd caught a lot of big rays,

578
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: and I'd caught the southern sting rays that were seven

579
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: or eight feet across and they lay on the bottom

580
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: and eat dead stuff. So I put a dead fish

581
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: on the hook, threw it out on the bottom where

582
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: I had seen this fish before, and within fifteen minutes

583
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: I had it on. Why didn't something else e? I mean,

584
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: like if that well fish so full of fish, I

585
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: mean they are amazing difficult and fishing with those kind

586
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: of baits. But I was just determined, you know, I

587
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: was gonna try to hit the right spot, and just

588
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: fortunately I caught it and it was like the most

589
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: incredible fish I've ever seen. When I got back, I

590
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: just said it, well, it needs to be a world record.

591
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to enter it the record book, and you

592
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: have to have the fish identified by an expert. Uh.

593
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't find an expert knew what it was. I

594
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: had all these great photos of this fish. None of

595
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: the ray experts had never heard of it. Finally I

596
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: found a guy in Germany who's a ray expert, and

597
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: he said, this fish is painted in a book from

598
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: the very early eighteen hundreds. It's the same fish, I

599
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: have no doubt. In this book it was called a

600
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: spine tailed the leposaurus, and the picture was identical. It

601
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: had a short tail covered with spikes. Yeah, for sure.

602
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: It's Uh, it was an incredible fish and uh it's

603
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: still the world record. That particular fish was about six

604
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: feet across, weighed almost two hundred pounds. Uh, and I

605
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: caught several more while I was down there. I can't

606
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: even imagine reel in a fish like that, like it was.

607
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: Did they fight? Well, it's kind of like dragging a

608
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: barn door, you know. It's it's like most raised you know,

609
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people who hook a ray here in

610
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: saltwater just want to cut the line because it's so

611
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: difficult to actually land one. You know, they're huge and

612
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: they're flat, and they suck up on the bottom and

613
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: don't want to come up. Uh. This one was the

614
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: bottom and eight feet of water. I had to sit

615
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: there and strum my fishing line to make him mad

616
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: enough to get off the bottom. And what do you

617
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: mean vibrate the fishing. Yeah, you kind of vibrate it

618
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: like a guitar string, and it aggravates them and they

619
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: eventually come up. And that or just that's that's a

620
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 1: ray trick I learned in Virginia with some anglers out there. Uh.

621
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: But when it came up, then I knew I had him,

622
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: and it was an incredible dish. No, they don't eat

623
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: them at all. I wanted to release his fish a

624
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: live but by the time we could get it weighed.

625
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: I took a certified scale with me. By the time

626
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: we could get to the boat, it had expired, so

627
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: we couldn't release it. And I asked, you know, can

628
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: we can you eat it? And they're like, no, We're

629
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: not gonna eat the piranhas, which was pretty incredible to

630
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: all the anglers on the boat came been watched. Did

631
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: we cut it up and fed it to the piranhas?

632
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: That was pretty incredible, And that's an incredible story. It

633
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: wasn't say the name of that fish again. We discus

634
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: Ray is the same uh. And before there had been

635
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: some small ones in the record book, I think eleven

636
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: pounds something like that prior to you catching Yes, but

637
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 1: it was they were smalls, Yeah, almost two hundred pounds. Uh.

638
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: It was. The whole story was really incredible because it

639
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: was such a rarity to you know, to be able

640
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: to find something nobody knew anything about. I was just dumbfounded.

641
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: When I got back and I'm talking to all these Uh,

642
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: I can't remember for sure, but I believe it was

643
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: two thousand one. I mean, that's like, is it We're

644
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: not talking about like the nineteen sixties or something. I mean,

645
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: so that's amazing to me that in one that you

646
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: can still go to Brazil. My last trip, I went

647
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: to the Shingoo River in Brazil, which is in a

648
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: different area, and uh, we actually caught some catfish there

649
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: that had never been described by science at all. Well.

650
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: I came back with uh photos of fish that I

651
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: needed to get identified, and I found an expert in

652
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: Massachusetts at Cambridge University who spent his lifetime down their

653
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: studying fish, and he found out I was going down there.

654
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: He learned about this big ray and he said, if

655
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: you go to Brazil and you could photograph fish, send

656
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: send me the pictures. I'd like to see what you're catching.

657
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: And it turned out some of the fish we caught

658
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: had never been described by science. The local people knew

659
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: about them, but science didn't know about it. They didn't

660
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: have a name. A lot of them were unusual armored catfish.

661
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: I mean to imagine you can go out this day

662
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: and age and catch something science doesn't know about me.

663
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 1: That's incredible, you know, if you think about it, though,

664
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: we live in such a unique time as humans, because

665
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: hundred years ago that would have been kind of normal, maybe,

666
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: I mean so we yeah, we well normal in the

667
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: sense of so much had yet to be discovered. But

668
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: in the last hundred years, it's like all of a sudden,

669
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: we're sitting in your living room in Arkansas, and we've

670
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: got the world at our fingertips, and we feel like

671
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: everything's been discovered. Ye and and it hasn't. And to me,

672
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: that was always one of my things I love doing

673
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: the most, was finding what's out there here in Arkansas.

674
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: Even I found things over the years and nobody knew

675
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: was here in Arkansas. Salamanders and birds and and snakes

676
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: even that nobody knew were here. Uh they're kind of

677
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: obscure animals. But Uh, there was a type of worm

678
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: snake I found when I was Nobody knew it was here,

679
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: and back then I would publish those findings in scientific

680
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,959
Speaker 1: journals so people wouldn't know. Uh, there was a salamander

681
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: called a mole salamander. Nobody knew we had those here. Uh.

682
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: Even today, Uh, if you dig and read on the

683
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: internet every year, there's literally hundreds of animals being discovered.

684
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: Nobody knew about it at all. I just did an

685
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: article recently about just new fish that have been discovered

686
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: every year. Yes, and every year there's several hundred new

687
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: species being described, so we're learning more and more. A

688
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: lot of it has to do with DNA and genetics

689
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: or in and out. Fish that we thought were all

690
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: one type of fish are really several species. But sometimes

691
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: it's something brand new we didn't know about. And to me,

692
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: those adventures when I was able to find something nobody

693
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: knew about, that's the coolest thing in the world. It's

694
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: really fun. That really is This next excerpts from episode

695
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 1: ninety two, when I talked to Steve Rinella and Janie

696
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: Pould tell us there's some guys I look up to,

697
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 1: and I think you'll enjoy this little snippet of the conversation. Um,

698
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: I just had a few just quick. I'm gonna run

699
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: through these questions and then we'll be done. Um. So

700
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: these are unanswered questions that people have about um, celebrities.

701
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: I'm I'm, I'm. I'm a little leary to use the

702
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: word celebrity because we don't we count man. I'm not sure,

703
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: but no, I asked a few people and they were

704
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: like they were joking, but they were serious. Question number one,

705
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: and you can just give a short answer. Are you

706
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: nice to your wife? We'll start with you honest extremely

707
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: he is. Um, it just depends for me, man. I mean,

708
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: you know, my wife's mad at me a lot. I'm

709
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: mad at my wife a lot. We've been together twelve years. Man,

710
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: We've got three little kids in the house. I'm not

711
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and tell you that, right. You're not

712
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: gonna paint a super rosy because a bottomless uh, but

713
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: your intentions like yeah, I mean there's a tremendous amount

714
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: of love and respect and I would never do anything

715
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: to disrespect my wife. But it's just like anybody knows, man,

716
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: like get a kids. Yeah, you spend a lot of

717
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: time on each other's nerves and yeah, just so people,

718
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 1: it's just right. I don't I don't like the Actually

719
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: it's not. It's just a reality. But um, but yeah,

720
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: it's all it's all based on respect and love. But

721
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: God just gets stressful sometimes. What I like to make

722
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: sure that I do. And again I answered that question,

723
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 1: you know quickly, so you could get through these questions quickly.

724
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: But since we're getting into Um I tried to at

725
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: least when I am to then, uh be humble and

726
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: apologize and you know, okay and know that, Hey, Jana

727
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: speaks very highly of you behind your back about your

728
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: being a father and husband. That's nice. I'll do a

729
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: little checking around. Um you're just a reference checking yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,

730
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: Um let's see, uh number two, what do your wives

731
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: think about all this? Like just you guys, like like traveling, hunting.

732
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: You know, there was just short for me real quick.

733
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: There was never not There was never like it wasn't

734
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: like a thing got introduced. It was just always that way. Yeah,

735
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: it was always that way. So I never had to

736
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: go through a hurdle of being like, hey, I have

737
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: a new life because you didn't. You didn't start it. Okay,

738
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, um, it very much was introduced.

739
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: We've been married now seventeen years and uh so halfway

740
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: through this thing kind of started and started traveling a

741
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: whole bunch more. Although we had always been a part

742
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: of some because I was a hunting guide and would

743
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: be gone for most of the fall, and she spent

744
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: a lot of time in the field all summer, so

745
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: she would be sometimes gone in a different state for

746
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: three months. Um, but uh yeah, she's very supportive of

747
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: whatever I do. And uh it's also you know, you know,

748
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: a source of income, and it's nice to be able

749
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: to do something you love to do, you know, to

750
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, for your income. So yeah, I can't say

751
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: no to that. Okay. So Meteor was built on this

752
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: authenticity inside of a context, and the hunting world that

753
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: was had lost a lot authenticity. And so the question

754
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: is and that's and that's what would characterize you, Steve,

755
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 1: and you're honest too, and just kind of the brand

756
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: I feel like it's is authenticity. And so how do

757
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: you maintain that authenticity in the midst of massive growth

758
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: when we know, like like everybody knows that consumes honey

759
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: media that it has to be paid for? I mean,

760
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: so what what stole authing that you don't think? So?

761
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: I mean what stole authenticity that really irritates people? Well,

762
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: is that guys' of providing like basically free media? Right? A.

763
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 1: Podcasts are free? Right? I mean it's an advertising comporment,

764
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: but you're in producing like free media. Um, Netflix, you

765
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: know it's not free, but it's a very low subscriber fee.

766
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: It's an it's a bottomless pit of content, right like

767
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. It's not transactional per episode. How

768
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: are people are very irritated when confronted with the idea

769
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: that you need to finance this operation, the operation that

770
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: you need to finance your ability to make free content.

771
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: I get it, yeah, but people know it's not understood.

772
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: I don't think it's why I understood. Well, so how

773
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: do you how do you maintain because I mean what

774
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: I was saying was that you've you've done a good

775
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: job of maintaining that authenticity and inside of the context.

776
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: So how do you keep doing that? Hey? Let me,

777
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: let me let me. Uh, I've got it. I digressed

778
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: to uh, but go ahead. But but I think the

779
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: questions you kind of the questions like there, but it's

780
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: eluding you. Well that's the question. How do you how

781
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: do you build a business like you like you have

782
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: and maintain the authenticity that got you here? I mean

783
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: I think it's this because because because it'd be like

784
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: let's say you make shoes, okay, and you make good shoes,

785
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: and then pretty soon you have a big company that

786
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: makes shoes. People aren't going to say to you, um,

787
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: how do you continue to make shoes? Like, well, that's

788
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: what we do. Well, so I'm saying, like, what got what? What?

789
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: What got? You know what? What created the situation? Anyways,

790
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: it's just still what's creating. It's just like making a

791
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: thing that was making a thing that felt real and

792
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: you could feel passionate. If you stop doing that, you've

793
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: stopped making shoes. Do you see that? You know what

794
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like people, what you're saying, like, what is it?

795
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: If you're not doing that anymore, then you're not doing

796
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: the thing that that right that people want it anyway?

797
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: But do you not see that? That's what happens to

798
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: companies though, is they They they lose that when they

799
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: get big. And that's certainly not what I'm saying. I'm well,

800
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,919
Speaker 1: they might, but I don't know how you keep Yeah,

801
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't really well. I think in

802
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: our context though, in the hunting industry, I think maybe

803
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: what you're getting at is that because of the way

804
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: that you have to pay to make this stuff keep working, right,

805
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: you have partnerships and advertisers and you have to make

806
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: them happy, and so at some point you come up

807
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: to a thing where there's a huge check that's associated

808
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 1: with baby a product or a brand that you don't

809
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: align with. But if you need that check real bad,

810
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: you have to go that route, right, and then you

811
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: end up endorsing maybe a product or a brand that

812
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: you necessarily don't align with, and people see that you

813
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: are being inauthentic, and then it could cost you your authenticity,

814
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: not like in the material you make, but well in

815
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: a holistic the holistic place and not just that, but yes, that, yeah,

816
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: I mean speaking to that, I think we've just always

817
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: stood our ground and when that's off comes around and

818
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's just boxes and boxes of gear

819
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: that comes across through the doors and meteor and across

820
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: our desks where we just look at it and it's like, hey,

821
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: it might be good, but it's just not us, you know,

822
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: and we know we just passed on it. And we've

823
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 1: you know, speaking to Steve's loyalty, I mean First Light

824
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: was the first clothing brand that he got in with

825
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: and been with them for ten years now, you know. Yeah,

826
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: the first two people to get behind our show, we're

827
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 1: first Light and Vortex. Yeah and read to this day. Yeah,

828
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: they're still there. Yeah, but I think and I don't

829
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: have like and and um to endorse talk about recommend

830
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: Vortex products is not painful. It's authentic because you and

831
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: I have it like a, yeah, there's a product connection,

832
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: but I have an emotional connection there. That's not all,

833
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: you know. I don't want to tell you that that's

834
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: something that's like that that emotional aspect is always present,

835
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: but there's parts of it that I'm I'm like quite

836
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: proud of that fact. I don't view it. I don't

837
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: view that I'm able to have like a long term

838
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: relationship and a you know, a sponsorship arrangement, um, the

839
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: reciprocal relationship with Vortex. I don't look at that as

840
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: being like, oh, it's just a thing I had to do.

841
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: I'm like proud of that. And see what I'm what

842
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: I what I see is that I think there's an

843
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: internal component inside of inside of somebody that's got to

844
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: be pretty strong to maintain that kind of authenticity in

845
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: the midst of success. So, I mean, I guess and

846
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: maybe it's so deep inside of you guys that you

847
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: don't you don't even know. No, that's not true, man,

848
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: you don't think I don't want to like act like

849
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: I don't understand your question. Ah, No, we can. We

850
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: have conversations all time about about what what do you

851
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: mean we have? What we do is deliberate. Yeah, it's

852
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: not accidental. Okay. We have conversations every day about what not,

853
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: like how to what not? Turning laughter, turning right. But

854
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: it's like conversations every day about like getting it right,

855
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: like getting it right. Detail. We did a hunt last

856
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: year with these guys at this place called Crickets, Guy

857
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: Outfitters and Wyoming great dudes, like great, great dudes. I

858
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: love those guys. Um And I was having a conversation

859
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: with the sun landed Uh Peterson, and he was observing

860
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: one day to me, he was like talking about how

861
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: he tried he like observes, he's I would regard him

862
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: like like a successful person right, like does things intentionally.

863
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: And he was observing. He was telling me how he

864
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 1: observed successful people and he said, a thing that he's

865
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: noticed is that they pay attention to all the details.

866
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: They pay attention to the details at their home. They

867
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: pay attention to the details of how they raise their children.

868
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: They pay attention to the details of what they do

869
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: at work. They pay attention to the details of their vehicle.

870
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: They like, pay attention to the details always. You can

871
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: make a there can be a you can have a

872
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: facade of carelessness or a facade of shooting from the hip.

873
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: But I think that most people are able to do

874
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: something for a long time, are very cognizant of details.

875
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: And I think that we sit around arguing about the

876
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: people will be like, I cannot believe these people are

877
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: arguing about something that seems so mundane. It seems so silly.

878
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: But we as an organization whever, like, we don't think

879
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: it's silly. Yeah, So when I say it's deliberate, there's

880
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: like there's like I'm like aware of what we do

881
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: and how we do it. Not to say that, you know,

882
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: you don't make all kinds of screw ups, but you know,

883
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: we discuss things. I like it. I like a great

884
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,919
Speaker 1: length things that would be silly. When we're making our show,

885
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 1: we argue over like like seconds of things, like really

886
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: like seconds considerable back and forth. Last like, how could

887
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: we talk about the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast without including

888
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: Ted Nugent's performance of Fred Bear a highlight for sure.

889
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: We spent that last October together for about a week,

890
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: and then the next spring he died and I went

891
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: out to do my chory one day, and we're all

892
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: shattered at his death. It was just he was just

893
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: unbelievable because he made such an imprint on everybody. He's

894
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: a great, great man. Did you ever meet him? Well,

895
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: you're going to meet him right now. And so I

896
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 1: went out to do my chores. I had my dog,

897
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: biscuits and my Irish setters now porch. I went and

898
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: I grabbed the guitar and I just I didn't know,

899
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: I had no idea. I wasn't thinking of Fred. I

900
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: just sat down, I went. I always played killer licks

901
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: when I picked up the guitar, but I never played

902
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: one like this before. There I was back in a

903
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: while again, and I felt right at home where I belong.

904
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: And I had that feeling coming over me again, just

905
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: like it happened so many times before, so many times.

906
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: The spirit of the woods. He's like an old good friend,

907
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: makes me feel warm and good inside. I know his name.

908
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: It's good to see him again because in the wind

909
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: he's still a live talking about Fred Bear, walk with

910
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: me down the trails again, Take me back, Take me

911
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: back where I belong. Fred Bear. I'm glad to have

912
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: you with my side, my friend, and I will join

913
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: you on the big hunt before too long. And it

914
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: was kind of dark, another misty dusk, and it came

915
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: from a tangle down below. And I tried, I tried

916
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: to remember everything he taught me so well. I had

917
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: to decide which way to go. Was I long or

918
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: in a hunter stream? The moment of truth is here,

919
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: and now I felt his touch, I felt his guide

920
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: in hand, and the buck wars mine for evermore because

921
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: of fred Bear. I still walk down those trails again.

922
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: He takes me back, takes me back. I belong fred

923
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: Fred Bear. I'm glad to have you in my side,

924
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: my friend, and I will join you on the big

925
01:01:44,320 --> 01:02:29,959
Speaker 1: hunt before too long. And we're not alone when we're

926
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: in the great outdoors. We got his spirit, we got

927
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: his soul, and he guards my steps, guid's my arrows home.

928
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: The restless spirit for ever roams and it roams with

929
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: Fred Bear. When I walk down those trails again, he'd

930
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: take makes me back, takes me back. I belong fred Bear.

931
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad to have you went my side, my friend,

932
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: and I will join you on the big hunt before

933
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: too long. Because in the wind, he's still alive in

934
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: the wind. He's still alive in the wind. I can

935
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: hear I hear Fred Bear, I hear you, Fred. Hey Fred.

936
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: Let's go hunt, buddy, Calm, you go up that ridge.

937
01:03:53,440 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: I'll go down this swamp. Baby, get that book. I

938
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: hope you've enjoyed these highlights from the Bear Hunting Magazine

939
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: podcast over the last couple of years. These were all

940
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: special moments that were memorable to me, and they most

941
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: certainly were not all the special moments. Holy cow, every

942
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: single episode, every single guest had extreme value to bring

943
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: to our listeners. Thank you, Thank you for your support

944
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 1: of Bear Hunting Magazine and our podcast and what we're doing.

945
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: I hope you have a great Christmas. I hope you

946
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: stay safe. I hope you have a great New Year.

947
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: You'll hear from us again, but it might be in

948
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: a condensed version in the next podcast. Merry Christmas, boys

949
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: and girls, have a good one.