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Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast. Welcome back to another edition

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Speaker 1: of the Around the League Podcast. My name is Dan Hands,

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Speaker 1: and I'm joined by two heroes, Mark Sessler and Greg

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Speaker 1: Rows a dollar up boys, Good morning, I'm excited. I

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Speaker 1: believe it's the afternoon. Mark. Come. I think it was

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Speaker 1: you Dan who once said that you feel dead inside

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Speaker 1: in between podcast that this is the only time you

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Speaker 1: feel alive. Was that something he said once? I don't

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Speaker 1: think so. That sounds like sounds, and it's disturbing sounds.

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Speaker 1: You should have more in your life. Anyway. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: kind of my internal monologue when I get home at

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Speaker 1: work and you know, from work or basically anything, I'm

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Speaker 1: just looking forward to the next pot. And this week

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Speaker 1: we don't have to wait as long. We're here for

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Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving special things. This is the Thanksgiving special. You know,

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Speaker 1: if if we were a professional, we would have had

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Speaker 1: some type of turkey sound effect ready, but no one

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Speaker 1: told Crystal to do that. So Rich apologies for not,

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Speaker 1: you know, putting just basic prep into this podcast. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's always a chance for post production. Yeah, Crystal actually

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Speaker 1: came into work ten minutes ago and we're already up

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Speaker 1: here podcasting just because we want to just get it

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Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, so this this is our Thanksgiving preview.

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Speaker 1: But you know, before we get into the three games,

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Speaker 1: Mark will be locked into the office on Thanksgiving night

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Speaker 1: while his family cuts into the old bird upstate in California.

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Speaker 1: Sorry Mark for digging into that. But before we get

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Speaker 1: into all that, how about the news k Rich, Why

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Speaker 1: did you need to go down that. It's a perfectly

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Speaker 1: you know, amiable scenario because I have to fly up

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Speaker 1: for a wedding, and I worked it out with Gregory.

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Speaker 1: I would do the Thanksgiving and be locked in place

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Speaker 1: for a wedding and not in the office too. I

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Speaker 1: do like that. I don't realize I didn't provide any context.

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Speaker 1: It's this very amiable agreement that you know, helped with

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Speaker 1: the family. What's the business? I mean, your family is

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Speaker 1: not here for thanks you you're you're going in the

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Speaker 1: we're all families in New York. I think they're forgetting

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Speaker 1: about me. Slowly but surely each month, I'm losing touch

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Speaker 1: with the people I care about. The first is to

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Speaker 1: find out what everyone thanksgivings plans up since we went there. Well,

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Speaker 1: mine's a little wacky, though. My parents are actually coming

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Speaker 1: in Thursday night. We're pretending Thursday never happened. I'm taking

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Speaker 1: work off Friday and we're gonna do a little Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: on Friday. How about that there will be any football

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Speaker 1: and Black Friday? Very interesting, Okay, ri'ch big on Black Friday.

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Speaker 1: I'm having a few people over Casa del Hansas during

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving night. Right, how about you? What are you doing? Mark?

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Speaker 1: I am covering the evenings third and final else which

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Speaker 1: should probably take me close to midnight. Yes, you are

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Speaker 1: welcome to come over to my abode afterwards. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I might, but I I believe I have a turnaround.

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Speaker 1: I'm back in the opposite around four am the next morning,

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Speaker 1: so and getting to the office on foot. Yeah, it's uh,

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Speaker 1: it is a work week. By the way, Mark, after

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Speaker 1: Sunday Night's podcast, opted to walk home in the dead

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Speaker 1: of night, even though Greg and I were both leaving

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Speaker 1: wanted to walk silently through Culver City, California. It was

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Speaker 1: odd a little bit. I do the same thing, Mark,

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Speaker 1: I walk home and it's refreshing. Guys. Now for what

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Speaker 1: we're really here for the news. Starting with this, Jay

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Speaker 1: Cutler will sit out another week for the Chicago Bears,

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Speaker 1: and he remained a week to week with his high

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Speaker 1: ankle sprain. This is actually uh, it might not see

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Speaker 1: him on the service, but this is good news if

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Speaker 1: you're to believe coach Mark Tressman that this is not

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Speaker 1: anything more than a high ankle sprain. He will sit

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Speaker 1: out this week. That means Josh McCowen will play again

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Speaker 1: against the Vikings, but in Trustman's words, Cutler will definitely

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Speaker 1: be back before the end of the season. So that's good.

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is a good team. And there

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Speaker 1: they can't stop anyone on the run, and they're about

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Speaker 1: to play Adrian Peterson and the schedule sets up nicely

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Speaker 1: that they have a game that I think they can

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Speaker 1: NFC North. But since that, you know, three and oh start,

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Speaker 1: They're just three and five over the last eight weeks.

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Speaker 1: One other sneaky disconnect that I found when I was

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Speaker 1: no underlying information about the Cutler's ankle. It's not worse

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Speaker 1: than a high ankle sprain. But then Cutler himself said

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Speaker 1: last week there are a few other things involved. I

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Speaker 1: just had a normal If I just had a normal

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Speaker 1: high ankle sprain, I wouldn't be in a cast. Cast

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Speaker 1: helps its scar up and stuff. But the normal high

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Speaker 1: Cutler says there's something more to it. The coach a

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Speaker 1: week later says there's not something more to it. I'm

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Speaker 1: more willing to side with Cutler that we're dealing with

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Speaker 1: something else, and trust Mean is just trying to manage this.

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Speaker 1: People come up to me on the street all the time,

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Speaker 1: and they asked me who's gonna win the NFC North.

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Speaker 1: On the streets, I love walking around l A. Are

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Speaker 1: you famous big time in Santa Monica? They know my name,

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Speaker 1: me and my daughter. My answer is not the Bears.

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Speaker 1: That's I think my answer. And if they asked me

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Speaker 1: about Jay Cutler, will he be on the Bears next year?

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Speaker 1: if he was. Alright, guys. Next up, we have an

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Speaker 1: had so much potential, and Tomba Ali. Houston has a

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Speaker 1: high ankle sprain. It sounds like Ali has a chance

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Speaker 1: And you know who is the first, you know, defensive

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Speaker 1: what else is in the news. K Rich al Right, guys,

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Speaker 1: last of this is not only sad for Packers fans,

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Speaker 1: but fantasy owners all around the world, all around the nation,

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Speaker 1: including myself, who started Aaron Rodgers. His chances of playing

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Speaker 1: on things given our slim to none. According to Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: always been Thanksgiving, and it's pretty clear that's not going

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Speaker 1: going to prepare two quarterbacks to play. Matt Flynn, who

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Speaker 1: replaced Scott Tolzene on Sunday when the Packers tied the Vikings. Dan,

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Speaker 1: I think that was Flynn looked very good. I mean, considering.

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Speaker 1: Mark was so upset about Flynn finding success in his

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Speaker 1: life from a career of prospective market Mark has some hate. No, no,

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Speaker 1: didn't see anyway Scott Tolzian is playing on Thursday, it

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Speaker 1: he came out there desperate. They've they've had so much

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Speaker 1: just I find it as a fan it's boring. I

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Speaker 1: Sebastian Janikowski doesn't have one of the worst days of

426
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Speaker 1: his career. The Raiders win that game. Here's a bit

427
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 1: of hope for West, though. So let's say Dallas sneaks

428
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Speaker 1: out of here with this. Do you mean a bit

429
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: of hope. He's putting himself at three and a half

430
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,239
Speaker 1: on the well and he has a reason to not

431
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: be worried because they play the Jets, which say that's fifty.

432
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: Then they close out with the Chiefs, the Chargers and

433
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: the Broncos, and the Chargers are on the road. That's tough.

434
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,959
Speaker 1: I don't think Oakland gets to six. They will be

435
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 1: underdogs every game the rest of the season. But they've

436
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: been underdogs from the start. Let's face it, they're America's

437
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: Cinderella team. Before we let you go, West, let's just

438
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Speaker 1: pick this game. I'll start with us. Who do you

439
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 1: see taking this? I imagine the Cowboys. I'm taking McCaw fellas. Yeah,

440
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: I'm taking the Cowboys. Yeah. Well I'm going yeah, Mark's

441
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: going rogue guts, He's just mailing it. That's why I'm

442
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: in last place. Wow. I like this though, that that's

443
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: almost a guaranteed hero pick. All right, West, Thank you

444
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: very much, buddy, Come back to you soon God put

445
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: him back on the life supportment. I'm not sure the

446
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: ten minutes from now West remembers being on the phone

447
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 1: with us. I just have a feeling is in an

448
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: altered state. Come back to us, Wes. We need you,

449
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: You need us. Okay, So let's move on to the

450
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: final game on Thursday, the Thursday Night affair. This is

451
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: the game where Mark will be by himself in an

452
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 1: office on Thanksgiving night, all alone. Listen, you know, watching

453
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: two of your favorites. That is the punch in the gut.

454
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: Because I had things go on the way that I

455
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 1: thought they would in my better mind state, Cleveland would

456
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: be in the mix here in the NFC north right,

457
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: which would be better for probably society in the country. Instead,

458
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: we get what we've gotten always in the last decade,

459
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: which is Raven Steelers and I have a chance to

460
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 1: cover the two teams I enjoy the least. But I

461
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: will say this, it's a it is It's an intriguing matchup.

462
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: The only thing that could be worse is if during

463
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: the game, like Mike Tomlin, rips off a mask and

464
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: it turns out he was Bernie Kozar the whole time.

465
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: I think that's the only way that's interesting that would

466
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: that would cut That would be some extra work. And

467
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: then who's the Bernie that we've been introduced after the

468
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: last few years. He's a different due. That would be

469
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: a lot of extra posts. Though, I feel like we

470
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: would have to break right, we just added to what

471
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Speaker 1: we learned, all right, So let's look at this game.

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Speaker 1: Let's break this down. The Steelers and Ravens, two teams

473
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Speaker 1: at five and six, both coming off wins. Uh, this

474
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Speaker 1: is I think? Is this the NBC game? Yes? It is? Yeah,

475
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 1: Alan Chris after a golden game on Sunday night. Now

476
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: get a game that looked like a stinker two weeks ago.

477
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: Now it means a lot. It's almost like a playoff game. Uh,

478
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: not quite so, it's not quite a playoff, but almost there.

479
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: Whoever loses this is in bad shape. I think the

480
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: winner is the favorite for the wild card, you know,

481
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: the winner. I would not even say the winner couldn't

482
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: win this division. Frankly, they're only they if since he

483
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: stumbles there a game behind the Bengals. Since he's lead,

484
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: it's really really slimmed. Do you think the Steelers defense

485
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: watching them against Cleveland is starting to get better because

486
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: when when I've watched and I don't think it's really

487
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: the defense getting better. They don't have much of a passage.

488
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: It's pretty much all Ben Roethlisberger, Antonio Brown, Levan Bells

489
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: added a lot, and the offense figuring out what they

490
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: need to do, and the defense doesn't really impress me.

491
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: But I will say this about the defense because I

492
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: I know for years they've been tagged as they're too old,

493
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: they can't move that there one, you know, season away

494
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: from complete collapse. There's a lot of pride on that defense,

495
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: and I don't even know what that means sometimes in

496
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: the NFL, but they love playing for their coaches, and

497
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: I do think that they I watched them play Cleveland.

498
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: They shut the Browns down, which that doesn't sound like

499
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: much except things that Cleveland's been able to do week

500
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: after week could not happen against Pittsburgh before. Well and also,

501
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: by the way, here's the here's the weak spot, and

502
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sure the Ravens can attack it. Ike Taylor

503
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: and some of his play he gave. He gave up

504
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: a ton of yardage two weeks ago to Megatron and

505
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: got killed by Gordon yesterday two d and thirty something yards.

506
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: I think the Steelers. I believe we did an email

507
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: running email last week. I think I said the Ravens

508
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: were the favorite. But now I'm starting to think it's

509
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: the Steelers. And I think it's because Ben Roethlisberger, who Greg,

510
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: I know you while you picked him from MVP, but

511
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: you said you believe that he'd been playing well for

512
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: the most part all season. I was a little more

513
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: on the fence, but the last two weeks there's nothing

514
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: else you could say. The guy is really locked in

515
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: now and he's the best quarterback of any of these

516
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: wild card contenders. And uh, I just think that he's

517
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Speaker 1: he has the ability to now lift these guys to

518
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to get nine wins. They

519
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: get to nine wins, eight or nine wins, and that

520
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: should that could do it. And I think they'll start

521
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Speaker 1: with a big win on Thursday Night. I don't think

522
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: Big Ben likes dealing with the Ravens. I don't think

523
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: he ever has. But I will say this that when

524
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: I look at Baltimore in Pittsburgh, the strongest aspect to

525
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: either team, two teams that just know each other so well,

526
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: you're not gonna trick each other. Big Ben's play is

527
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: the strongest thing here. I don't look at Baltimore and

528
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: see anything that says, yep, that's gonna put Pittsburgh on.

529
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: It's about the Ravens defense. It's been a very good

530
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: defense is here. Maybe not great, but very good. They

531
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: just embarrassed your boy, Gino. I know it's a big

532
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: step up in class, but they're capable of having those

533
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: sort of shut down performances, doesn't Big Ben. They'll seem

534
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: to just make plays no matter what you put in

535
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Speaker 1: front of him. This is it's a Joe Flacco game

536
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: to be I agree with you. Joe Flacco played a

537
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: little bit better against the Jets. Is that fair to say?

538
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: Made some plays down the field in some tough conditions.

539
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: His best asset is that big arm. And one of

540
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: the things that I've been missing from the Ravens offense

541
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: this year has been that big playability. Um, they took

542
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: advantage of an opponent week weakness last week. You would

543
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: hope that they continue to go to that now that

544
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: you have Jacoby Jones back to full health and Tory Smith.

545
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: That's a big part of their attack that I think

546
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: they've not used enough We're now entering week twelve and

547
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: the defending Super Bowl champs. Their offense has been terrible.

548
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: We're now entering week thirteen, the defending Super Bowl champions.

549
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: Their offense have been terrible the whole time. At this

550
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: point last year, they still didn't even have the losing

551
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: streak that they eventually bounced back to. I still think

552
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: there's time because Joe Flacco can be that good to

553
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: put together some games where it gets Jacoby Jones involved

554
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: in Tandon Doss and Tori Smith and the Steelers defense.

555
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 1: If there's a you know, problem with them, they give

556
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: up a lot of big plays, it wouldn't I think

557
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco has it in them to have a big

558
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: game in a big spot and kind of start them

559
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: on their path. We've been waiting for it all year,

560
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: and it's like, listen, this is this matchup. Any It's

561
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: hard to predict these Ravens Steelers games. But I just

562
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: I look at Pittsburgh and this is jelling is more

563
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: of a complete team offense. They have a running back.

564
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: I think Levan Bell can do some damage. I just

565
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: think Pittsburgh's got it going on right now. Three wins

566
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: in a row. See it's see number four is coming

567
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: this weekend. These guys are a fist Bubby, the fan

568
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: of the Browns and the Jets are fist bubbing over

569
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: the Steelers. You, you, Greg, are coming off one of

570
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: the biggest wins as a Patriots fan. You've got nothing

571
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: but sunshine glowing down on you. Dan, I just have

572
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: to get our victories where we can right now. Exactly

573
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: me and you picked the Steelers to win this division.

574
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: You know I had been and that's great consolations. I

575
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: know to be m v P. I can't pick the

576
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: Steelers team right. Every time I pick them to win,

577
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: they lose vice versa. It's so early, I want to

578
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: wait till the last minute to pick this one. One question,

579
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: do you guys all think, hands down, since he wins

580
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: this division right now, you feel that good about them.

581
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: I don't feel great about him, but I think they're

582
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: gonna win ten games. I don't think it's gonna happen.

583
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: I think they will, but I'm closer to you Mark

584
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: where it wouldn't shock me if they fell apart completely,

585
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: but they'd have to win two out of their last five.

586
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna take Baltimore in this game as

587
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: it just pains these Steelers picks pains me, But I

588
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: just kind of what I said about Flacco, and I

589
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: think this defense is pretty good. I think this Ravens

590
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: team has been lying in the weeds but still could

591
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: have something to them if you if you change your mind,

592
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: we're okay with it. But the official picks for the

593
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: official thank you, Yeah, and I'll take the Steelers. I

594
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: think Pittsburgh is gonna win this about seven and seven.

595
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: Whoa you like spreads? You're always picking blowout. I don't

596
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,239
Speaker 1: think that's that crazy. You have a call. All right?

597
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: That does it for the Thanksgiving preview. We'll be back

598
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: later this week. Mark again, if you get out at

599
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: a reasonable hour, you're welcome to come to the Handsas

600
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: House for Thanksgiving and just just let us know you're

601
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: a vegetarian. What's in play in terms of Thanksgiving? For

602
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: your plate? Listen, if I show up, it's gonna be

603
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: so far beyond when dinner was served that I'll just

604
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: I'll come for the good cheer, to hang out with

605
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: the hands As family. They will serve you some dinner here.

606
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: Did you know this. I'm not holding my special Thanksgiving dinner.

607
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: They asked me, who's gonna be in the office and whatnot?

608
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: It's actually a huge spread. You act like Mark, you

609
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: haven't been here for any Thanksgiving. I just said, I'm

610
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: not holding my breath for it being something that's gonna,

611
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, entice me to be, you know, fired up

612
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: about a meal served in a neon. Literally, you hate food.

613
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: There's no I'm not a foodie, and I in fact

614
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving ranks food wise. It's one of the things I

615
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: almost don't even look forward to. I could care less.

616
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: You know what's funny. You see you sit in his

617
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: chair and you take on his grumpy action. I'm not

618
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 1: trying to be grumpy. I'm being honest. I don't not

619
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: just sit around images of like cranberry sauce dabbled on

620
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: top of like a slice of turkey. I don't think

621
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: about you could have that any time you wanted to.

622
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I have about a cynical as it gets.

623
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: I'm not really into the holidays. Everything seems random. But

624
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: who doesn't like Thanksgiving? That's the one I can get

625
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: behind and say, I like many next family it's football.

626
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: I like all that. I just don't know I like

627
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: all that. I don't need the over emphasis and the

628
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: over celebration on these plates of food. Please, let's get over.

629
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: Let's just just wait for a couple of weeks. Remarks

630
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: Christmas Rent, which is really nasty in visual, really comes

631
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: out for that happy holiday everyone. All right, that's it.

632
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: This Dan Hands is signing off for the Sizzler, the boss,

633
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,959
Speaker 1: car Ridge behind the glass, and Lyle the intern who

634
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: was not invited to my home on Thanksgiving. Sorry, not

635
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: worth it until later