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Speaker 1: Good morning, and welcome to the No Dunks Podcast on

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Speaker 1: the Athletic Network. It's Monday, October seventh, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: I'm jay E Skeiths here in the Classic Factory and

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Speaker 1: alongside me, as always task.

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Speaker 2: Mellus podcast listeners, this is for you.

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Speaker 1: Next to him, we got the Bearded One, a top

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Speaker 1: Sha hot boy, Trey Kirby, Hey hey oo, and over

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Speaker 1: yonder making the magic happen. Super producer jd. There he

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Speaker 1: is here we are. Today's podcast officially kicks off our

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Speaker 1: sixth season of No Dunks at the Athletic and get this,

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Speaker 1: our twentieth NBA season. Overall of daily hoops coverage. Leonardo

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Speaker 1: DiCaprio is not even interested in our podcast annual. It's

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Speaker 1: too old for Leo.

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Speaker 3: It was watching every episode up until That's right, se

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Speaker 3: him at the Lakers games, occasionally him and Denzel chatting

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Speaker 3: it up.

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Speaker 1: You watch No Dunk Stands today. Denzel's gonna be so

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Speaker 1: disappointed this time. I know, I know, so I believe

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Speaker 1: you tell me if I'm wrong. Twenty years of daily

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Speaker 1: hooped coverage. Maybe deserves a like, Maybe deserves a subscription.

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Speaker 1: Maybe telling a friend about the show, and maybe a

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Speaker 1: five star rating and review on a podcast platform of

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Speaker 1: your choice. So happy twenty years, Happy twenty two, you gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: It was weekly to start, so it's not the twentieth season. No,

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Speaker 2: twentieth season.

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Speaker 4: We did start right after Kobe scored eighty one. That's

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Speaker 4: right against the Raptors A long time ago, right, twenty seasons.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so we started in six. You're right, calendar six,

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Speaker 1: but it was the season.

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Speaker 2: It's the season.

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Speaker 1: Look, look, look we're rounding up here.

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Speaker 2: We know stats. You got to get in the stats.

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Speaker 1: That's right. On today's podcast, we are kicking off our

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Speaker 1: NBA season preview series. You're gonna have five of these

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Speaker 1: podcasts coming over the next two weeks. And today we're

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Speaker 1: looking at the NBA win totals for the Eastern Conference teams. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so all of our over under odds coming from our

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Speaker 1: good friends at bet MGM. Let's just jump right into it.

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Speaker 1: We have fifteen teams to break down here and sort

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Speaker 1: of give our predictions on whether you'd hit the over

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Speaker 1: give some of our locks at the end, but we

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Speaker 1: start with the Atlantic Division, a fine division, a good,

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Speaker 1: solid Division. And here it is courtesy of JD putting

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Speaker 1: together this slick graphic package for US. I got the

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Speaker 1: Celtics with the highest over underwin here call them in

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Speaker 1: the East fifty eight and a half wins, Nets nineteen

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Speaker 1: and a half, Nicks fifty four and a half, six

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Speaker 1: Ers fifty two and a half, and the Raptors thirty

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Speaker 1: and a half. So let's start with Boston sixty four

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Speaker 1: and eighteen. Last year they go on to win the title.

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Speaker 1: You know, had one of the highest net ratings we've

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Speaker 1: seen from a team in a long time, never had

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Speaker 1: a series that lasted longer than five games in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: like just the dominating year cruise to the championship. Here's

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Speaker 1: what they did. They re signed Tatum, Derek White, Tillman, Howsa, Luke, Cornett,

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Speaker 1: Namias Keita, They added Lonnie Walker the fourth. They drafted

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Speaker 1: lose anyone, right Sphemkay Luke and oh Shae berseet. That's

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Speaker 1: sort of it. Fifty eight and a half. Dare I say,

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Speaker 1: is is that low?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Why is it? Fifty eight and a half?

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Speaker 4: You brought up a lot of good things that this

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Speaker 4: sixty four? It's hard repeating, I know that, and sometimes

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Speaker 4: you get a little arrogant. Although we saw the Denver

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Speaker 4: Nuggets they had four more regular season wins in.

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Speaker 2: The year after they won a championship. Huh, what up

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Speaker 4: Anyway, fifty eight wins fifty eight and a half, that's

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Speaker 4: be very good. I think Jason Tatum receives a lot

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Speaker 4: You know that he doesn't have a lot of emotion

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Speaker 4: You know, he's not old. You know he's going to

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Speaker 2: Of things that they have to focus on.

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Speaker 4: They have to make sure that Al Horford's getting it

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Speaker 3: A season coming.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna play man.

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Speaker 4: those guys involved. Just like Jalen Brown said in the preseason,

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Speaker 4: he said, listen, we're gonna play teams like the Detroit Pistons.

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Speaker 2: No disrespected Detroit Pistons.

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Speaker 4: But there's plenty of disrespected Detroit Pistons where we're gonna

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Speaker 4: gonna get Peyton Pritchet thirty points. So you know he's

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Speaker 4: dissing the Detroit Pistons. But it is a bigger goal

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Speaker 4: you'd consider with this new CBA, getting everybody involved, all

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Speaker 4: those guys coming back, they're paying a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: I mean everyone got paid, really, And that's like one

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Speaker 1: get that title. But Trey, I mean, is that a

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Speaker 3: I don't. I think, if anything, the Celtics are coming

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Speaker 3: Brown can come in with a chip on their shoulder.

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Speaker 3: How often does that happen for a team that dominated

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Speaker 1: Over?

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Speaker 3: The questions are Porzingis being out? Guess what? They went

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Speaker 3: maybe the motivation isn't quite there to prove that they're

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Speaker 3: the best team in the league. I think Kevin Pelton

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Speaker 3: but the Celtics are still miles ahead. I think they're

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Speaker 3: So maybe they don't have to go for sixty four wins,

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Speaker 3: but they should still finish with the most wins in

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Speaker 3: in the NBA regardless. So I think this is an

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Speaker 3: easy over for me.

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Speaker 1: Easy over? You're leaning that way? Or are you, like

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Speaker 1: Like he's saying like he's literally circling the calendar, going, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this team sucks, so we'll get Pritchard a bunch of shots,

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Speaker 1: Houser can go off like that could maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: diminish your win totals, get you from sixty four down

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and maybe it makes those other players better and

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Speaker 2: Past and the back to back sixty seasons is a

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Speaker 4: But all they have to do is hit fifty nine

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Speaker 4: Derek White was chosen for Team USA over him, Derek

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Speaker 2: Harris over me thing. I think there's enough. I don't

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Speaker 4: Last year, just because of the strength in the Eastern

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Speaker 4: the Bucks are still damn good and then there's you

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Speaker 2: Whether whether it's sixty or not, they'll be there.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of those teams you just listed like

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Speaker 1: they went out and like signed wings basically with the

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Speaker 1: meet in a postseason matchup. Okay, so it sounds like

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Speaker 1: a lot of us are leaning to the over for

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Speaker 1: the Celtics despite being a pretty high number. Play along

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Speaker 1: here on YouTube too. You know, over unders. There your team,

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Speaker 3: Over, Yeah, leaning or taking over.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm not locking it in, so going over, but

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Speaker 1: I'll lock in some later. Uh, yeah over if.

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Speaker 3: I have to pick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm also an over man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So a sixty win team here once again, Jaylen

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Speaker 1: Brown looks jacked.

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Speaker 3: The guy looks huge, his face looks different because he

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Speaker 3: doesn't have a beard anymore. He did a lot of

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Speaker 3: underwater training. What is the out of the box training

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Speaker 3: method you're most excited about when you see from a

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Speaker 3: player like maybe it'll be underwater. Sometimes you'll see a

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Speaker 3: guy like running the hills. Oh, I remember Joe Kim

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Speaker 3: Noah training with Layered Hamilton.

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Speaker 2: Back in the day surfing. You know what?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's your uh your cross training of choice? Uh?

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Speaker 1: You know, look a big pop for any poolwork cool

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Speaker 1: worsher because you always get a great photo somebody's standing

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Speaker 1: like that. But put me down for sand dunes. YEA

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Speaker 1: it's flat, let alone a hill, So sand dune workouts.

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Speaker 1: So very much like dodgeball.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's surprising that they were around five hundred last.

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Speaker 4: So there's some good basketball players on this team. Nick

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Speaker 4: And he's in charge of sort of holding up that

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Speaker 4: to ritefy something that happened earlier in your career. Maybe

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Speaker 4: I'm naming the biggest names right now, Like Lebron's not coming. Okay,

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Speaker 4: we'll forget it about that. But those are basically the

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Speaker 4: Ben Simmons in a contract year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah maybe yeah, babe, hit your shirts off.

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Speaker 4: For a couple of months. He'll be able to play basketball.

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Speaker 4: You know, he'll play for a bit.

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Speaker 1: He'll play in October.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I said a couple of months, and yeah, I

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Speaker 4: was going to say a couple they play, you know,

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Speaker 2: But this is going to be.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a bad team. But I like your thinking,

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Speaker 3: It's tough for personally, I have Wizards as the worst team, okay,

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Speaker 4: Would do This is tough, But I do think the

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Speaker 1: Okay, Dennis Schruwer.

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Speaker 2: Was going to do some stuff too again this year.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, yeah, they ca I'm miss shooting a

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Speaker 2: That'll be fine.

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Speaker 4: He's more a lot twenty plus twenty plus guaranteed. But

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Speaker 4: the defense, I don't know if I can buy in.

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Speaker 4: Even though there are good defenders on this team. There

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Speaker 1: I will side with TK on the just over it's

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Speaker 3: We'll see how many points per game did Cam Thomas

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Speaker 1: Probably like twenty three or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty two and a half points per game on

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Speaker 2: They'll get the shots, all right.

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Speaker 1: Let's move to the New York Knicks. Fifty four and

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Speaker 1: a half is their win total last year. This was

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Speaker 1: they'll just Staan pat run it back. No, not really.

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Speaker 1: They resigned Brunson, Ogi Precious Achua Jacob Toppin as well.

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Speaker 1: They sipped some Sham Payne Landry Shammitt trying to make

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. Champagne love it drafted. Some guys are pretty

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Speaker 1: they lost Randall, Devincenzo Hartenstein, Shake, Milton Bogdanovich, and alkbux

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Speaker 2: I think so. I think it's right there.

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Speaker 4: They are obviously going after the Celtics with that incredible

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Speaker 4: then you start looking at their depth and I can't

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Speaker 1: Someone talented team. But you're looking at what a five

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if it was just Bridges coming in,

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Speaker 3: But then I also saw Karl Anthony Town's first possession

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Speaker 3: He figures out ways to win during the regular season.

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Speaker 3: The goal for the next is that everybody should be

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Speaker 1: They can probably still be around tenth in defense.

436
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Speaker 3: I would have to think at least between ten and fifteen,

437
00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,439
Speaker 3: whereas their offense should be a top five squad in

438
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Speaker 3: the NBA. So I like the Knicks over here.

439
00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it should be bruns and cat pick and pop

440
00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,920
Speaker 1: action with Bridges and Og in the corners who are

441
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,720
Speaker 1: really good catch and shoot three guys, both of them

442
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,520
Speaker 1: like thirty nine percent respectively from deep on catch and

443
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 1: shoot threes like that. How do you stop that? You

444
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 1: got Josh Hart like crashing the boards and cutting everywhere

445
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,480
Speaker 1: offensively amazing. Yeah, defensively, I have questions, especially townsen Og

446
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,000
Speaker 1: have missed like a combined two hundred and thirteen games

447
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,719
Speaker 1: over the past last four years. Mitchell Robinson's always injured.

448
00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,360
Speaker 1: He's out to start the year, He's you know, he's

449
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Speaker 1: gonna miss a couple months, So like, yeah, you get one.

450
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Speaker 1: I guess my concern is like one big injury to

451
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Speaker 1: one of those other guys, their main guys, and you

452
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 1: really start to put a dent into your like sort

453
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Speaker 1: of limited depth chart. Yeah, so it feels too easy,

454
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Speaker 1: But I actually think I'm going under on just under

455
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Speaker 1: the fifty five win mark, just because I think there'll

456
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Speaker 1: be some growing pains a little bit, uh and the

457
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,399
Speaker 1: way Tips plays these guys, maybe they do pick up

458
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Speaker 1: an unfortunate entry. I'm leaning under, but you guys are

459
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Speaker 1: leaning over.

460
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Speaker 2: I'm going over.

461
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Speaker 4: Tom Thibodeau was smiling during that preseason game that you

462
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,439
Speaker 4: talked about with Kat doing his thing, Tom it was laughing.

463
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,320
Speaker 2: It was laughing with the referee.

464
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 4: Maybe Ashley made a joke that that was really funny.

465
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 4: But you don't see Tibbs smile all that much. I mean,

466
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 4: the offense ain't that hard for TIBs. He's spread out five.

467
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 4: It's literally so good against the Boston Celtics.

468
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 2: But it is.

469
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Speaker 4: The The worst part is later on in the season.

470
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Speaker 4: I brought up Oji playing as a backup center because

471
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Speaker 4: who is their backup center now? I think it might

472
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Speaker 4: be Oji for a lot of time. I know it's

473
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Speaker 4: supposed to be precious to you a, but again, I.

474
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Speaker 3: Mean, Mitchell Robinson is their backup center really now, but

475
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 3: he's hurt.

476
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Speaker 2: They don't have them.

477
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he would probably be starting. In all honesty,

478
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Speaker 4: I think I think they put Cat at the four

479
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 4: and sit hard. But that's for twenty twenty five to

480
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Speaker 4: find out that.

481
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Speaker 2: Yeah. The worst part is months from now. Really, Tips

482
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 2: is gonna be fine.

483
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Speaker 3: The only injury I would be worried about what the

484
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 3: Knicks is bruntson because I think he's the one that

485
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Speaker 3: they really can't replace with his scoring and his clutch shooting.

486
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Speaker 3: The playmaking he has. They don't really have a playmaker

487
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Speaker 3: like that now that Julius Randall is on the timber Wolves.

488
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Speaker 3: But Brunson also plays kind of like a low risk style.

489
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 3: He's not a high fly er. He's not taken a

490
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Speaker 3: bunch of falls on the floor. He's a tough dude.

491
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Speaker 3: So as long as he's playing seventy games, I think

492
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Speaker 3: they're gonna be all right.

493
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Speaker 1: Tough dude. Obviously did get banged up at the end

494
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Speaker 1: of last year, though, so yeah, it's a good point.

495
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Speaker 1: Let's go to sixers. Fifty two and a half wins

496
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Speaker 1: for Philadelphia last year forty seven and thirty five, lost

497
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Speaker 1: to the Knicks in an epic first round series. They look, damn,

498
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Speaker 1: I'm good. Before Joel Embiid was lost for what a

499
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Speaker 1: couple months there with the meniscus injury, did return for

500
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Speaker 1: the postseason. Silver lining was Maxie was amazing, came an

501
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: All Star, scored twenty six a game. So they re

502
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Speaker 1: signed Maxie, Kelly Hubray, Junior, Kyle Lowry, kJ Martin. They

503
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Speaker 1: added in free agency Paul George, Eric Gordon, Reggie Jackson,

504
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 1: Caleb Martin, Andre Drummon, Gershawn They drafted Jared McCain in

505
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: all his one TikTok move that he does Bona as well.

506
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: They lost, you know the toom healed, Melton Payne, Paul

507
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: Reied Covington. But they did a lot here a lot.

508
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Speaker 1: Did they do enough to hit over you know, fifty

509
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Speaker 1: three wins or more?

510
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Speaker 3: Reggie Jackson is a seventy six er. That was one

511
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Speaker 3: of my biggest.

512
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 1: Oh right, right, he's a seventy sixer.

513
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Speaker 3: Now they've got a lot of backup point guards on

514
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Speaker 3: this team, and Maxi plays quite a bit. Last year

515
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 3: thirty one and eight when Embiid was on the floor,

516
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 3: do the math that was sixteen to twenty seven when

517
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 3: he was gone. Embiid will miss time. He's basically said

518
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Speaker 3: that I'm not playing for an MVP, playing for all

519
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 3: NBA this season. I need to be healthy in the playoffs.

520
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 3: I think the team should be better without Embiid because

521
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 3: last year they were really really top heavy. If Embiid

522
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Speaker 3: wasn't playing, and you know, the sixty games he missed

523
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Speaker 3: or whatever, then it was Maxi having to carry and

524
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 3: it wasn't quite the same. Now they've got Maxi. They

525
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Speaker 3: got Paul George, who probably will miss some time as well,

526
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Speaker 3: but he's able to miss a little time as long

527
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Speaker 3: as one of Embiid or Maxi is out there. They've

528
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Speaker 3: got some depth. All of these guys that you have

529
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Speaker 3: to say both of their names when you're listing them.

530
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 3: Nobody calls them Gordon. It's Erica Gordon. Drummond is the

531
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Speaker 3: only one that's on the edge there. I just don't

532
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Speaker 3: think the seventy six ers care too much about the

533
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Speaker 3: regular season here. I think they'll be good enough to

534
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Speaker 3: finish in the top four in the Eastern Conference, home

535
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Speaker 3: court in the first round, but I don't think they're

536
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Speaker 3: going to be trying to be the number one seed

537
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Speaker 3: because it feels like they're geared up only for a

538
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 3: playoff run. And that's really all that anybody cares about

539
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 3: this season with Philadelphia. So I'm gonna be barely under

540
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Speaker 3: I think fifty two and a half.

541
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, same with me.

542
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Speaker 4: The team doesn't really care about the regular season all

543
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 4: that much, either does the front office. Darryl Moury said

544
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 4: it it's not only Embiid that we should worry, but there's.

545
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: Other guys, and it's totally true. I'm sure it's.

546
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 4: Paul George, and that's obviously a very prominent player on

547
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 4: this team. I don't know if they care about MAXI

548
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 4: and keeping him safe for the playoffs, but it is,

549
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 4: it is indeed, and you mentioned those are good stats. Yeah,

550
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 4: only we played less than half the year last year.

551
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 4: Let's say he's completely healthy, but he's just sitting games

552
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 4: to stay fresh. How many games does he play? I

553
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 4: think it's gonna be in the fifties. And you know,

554
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 4: Bode's a pretty good bet for the ender. I would say,

555
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 4: so he's done for the regular season. He basically said

556
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 4: it like he wants to be healthy for the playoffs.

557
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Speaker 4: He's missed games in five of the seven playoffs he's

558
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 4: been in, or he hasn't been one hundred percent, like

559
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 4: against the Knicks last year, he just wasn't right.

560
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: And they have just they do have a bunch of question.

561
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 4: Marks, like you have Reggie Jackson, gershon Yabuceli coming over,

562
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 4: a guy like Caleb Martin that the heat gave up

563
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 4: on because he's up and down. They're all good, They're

564
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 4: all very good. Like Paul George, the Clippers said, we're

565
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 4: not gonna pay the Max, but obviously he's a great player.

566
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: So there are some questions there, So I'm taking taking

567
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: the under and all.

568
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Speaker 1: This that's a tough one. I struggled with this one.

569
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Speaker 1: It's a good line, it's the perfect set line. Well done,

570
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: bed MGM at fifty two and a half. Yeah, I

571
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: could just go under. You could say, like, come on,

572
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: why wouldn't they still be like a fifty five win team.

573
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 1: It's the big embiid part. I mean, I don't know

574
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: this whole, Like, I want to be ready for the playoffs,

575
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: so I have no agenda for the other stuff. But

576
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: it's like, if you want to be ready for the

577
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Speaker 1: playoffs from what we've seen from you, then don't play

578
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: at all during the regular season and maybe then you're

579
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: good to go.

580
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 3: He's in such a tough spot though, because Eban when

581
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 3: he says he gets out of shape, yeah, he'll be

582
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 3: dragging his legs up and down the court. Unhitch the trailer,

583
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 3: big guy. So he has to stay in game shape too.

584
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 3: Where it's like how much is enough to play him

585
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 3: and have him ready for the playoffs and how much

586
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: is too much that he pushes it a little over

587
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,479
Speaker 3: the edge and he's eighty percent tough to figure out.

588
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, That's exactly what he said. Going to the playoffs

589
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 4: last year after missing so much time, he was just like,

590
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 4: I'm not that good, not one hundred percent. So when

591
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,719
Speaker 4: does he play. He probably sits more in October, November,

592
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 4: December and starts getting it ripped up after the All

593
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 4: Star break. Maybe, But I do think it's gonna be

594
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 4: below sixty games. I know it's not fun talking about numbers,

595
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 4: but I think that is a factor here when you're

596
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Speaker 4: talking about one of the best players in the league

597
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 4: not playing for you.

598
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Speaker 1: Okay, so you guys are leaning under with that, and

599
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: I don't think this is gonna be a lock for anyone.

600
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: I guess I'll swerve on this one. I'll go just over.

601
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: I think it's perfect line. Again, like I said, I

602
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: think they'll just hit the over. I guess I'm banking

603
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: on and be playing a little more than you think.

604
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: Final team in the Atlantic Division, the Toronto Raptors thirty

605
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: and a half. They finished twenty five and fifty seven

606
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: last year, twelve in the Eastern Conference. Bad year. They

607
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: traded away Og for RJ. Barrett and quickly, which was good,

608
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: you know, fairly good. Then they traded Pascal Siakam to

609
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: the Pacers for Dick All. That was bad. I would

610
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: say that was bad.

611
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 3: I think Dick All is gonna have a big season.

612
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Speaker 1: Dick All good. They finished the season by going two

613
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: to nineteen down the stretch, trying their damnedest to keep

614
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: that pick, which unfortunately work out. But Scotty Barnes did

615
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: have a great year, managed career highs and points, rebounds, sists, deals, blocks,

616
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: He was an All Star. So they re signed Barnes.

617
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: They re signed quickly. Garrett Temple also got a contract

618
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: as while he's still there that bet. They added Bruno

619
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: Fernando in free agency, Davion Mitchell and a trade from

620
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: the Kings. They drafted Jacoby Walter, Jonathan Mobo, Jamal shed

621
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: where my shed head's at. He looked awesome in preseason

622
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: in Montreal, and they lost McDaniels, Gary Trent Junior. They

623
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: waived some other guys as well, so thirty and a

624
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: half with this team. This one's interesting. I feel like

625
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: some people think the Raptors are gonna be a lot

626
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: better than some of the pundits think, and others are like, now,

627
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: this is gonna be still one of the worst teams

628
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: in the East. Partle basically tried to tell you they

629
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: were going to be I don't know where you fall

630
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: as a Raptors fan here.

631
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Speaker 4: I think they're an over you said. They finished the

632
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 4: season two in nineteen Skary Barnes was not playing.

633
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 2: He went out March first. That was his last game.

634
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 4: I think Scotty Barnes in that locker room is a leader.

635
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 4: I think he will be ready to take another little

636
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 4: step because number one, he's saying all the right things.

637
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 4: Like when he was on twitch he was twitching, not

638
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 4: actually twitching, but he was playing on Twitch. He was asked, so,

639
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 4: who are the top five Raptors of all time? He said,

640
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 4: I'm not even close to there, but I'm working on

641
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 4: getting there to be one of those guys. And furthermore,

642
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 4: he's kind of said quote they say we're rebuilding, but

643
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 4: I just want to win now. I feel like that's

644
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 4: my mindset each and every day. I want to win

645
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 4: basketball games and rebuild this thing back to where it was,

646
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 4: try to get back to the top of the East.

647
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 4: And I think last year he showed he could do

648
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 4: that loss against the Spurs, he walked off the floor

649
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Speaker 4: early before the buzzer went off. He was upset. He

650
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 4: had a really bad game. Next game he showed up

651
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 4: a near triple double against the Adnana Pacers in a

652
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 4: really good win. And against the Dana Pacers. Everybody gets

653
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 4: triple doubles, but no, he is. He's stepping up now.

654
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Speaker 4: I think thirty wins is just not a lot. He

655
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 4: doesn't need help in the fourth quarter. So you mentioned

656
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 4: that trade for Barrett and quickly quickly has to take

657
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 4: another step.

658
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: They put a lot of.

659
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Speaker 4: Money into Manual quickly and he struggled a little bit

660
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Speaker 4: in being that leader as the starting point guard. But

661
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 4: Barrett has shown he's been great even in the Olympics.

662
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Speaker 4: So they bought it too quickly. And I think last

663
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 4: year was a trial period for him. But I don't

664
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Speaker 4: think thirty is all that high at all. If Barnes

665
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Speaker 4: can be that leader and quickly and Barrett can be

666
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 4: you know who, they've shown that they can be at

667
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Speaker 4: most of the time.

668
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Speaker 1: I would say so is the trio. It's IQ, RJ

669
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Speaker 1: and Scottie.

670
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Speaker 3: You guys like the BBQ nickname, Barrett Barnes and quickly

671
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: they tried spicy barbecue before Sam got traded.

672
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Speaker 1: I gotta say I don't love it.

673
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean if they get hot. I guess

674
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 4: this is what the whole idea is. They're at barbecue,

675
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 4: but there's not a lot of meat. I'm not I'm

676
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 4: not feeling the meat in Toronto, so they just have.

677
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Speaker 2: To be hot. Yeah, I guess.

678
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: Where do you go with this squad feeling the meat?

679
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah this is weird because I mean, twenty five wins

680
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: last year, but like you're saying, they were blatantly tanked

681
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: oh down the stretch and then still lost their pick anyway,

682
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: so they didn't really get to add talent via the draft.

683
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: They got Walter a little bit later, and then Mobo,

684
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: who people were very excited to see on the court

685
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: last year. They lost I guess their best shooter and

686
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Speaker 3: Gary Trent Junior. And this is a team that I

687
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: would think wants to have space around the BBQ trio

688
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: there because all three of those guys are best with

689
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: the ball in their hands. I think that's a bit

690
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 3: of an odd fit. But the thing with the Eastern

691
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: Conference is that the Raptors could win thirty games and

692
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 3: beat the tenth seed. Yeah, the Eastern Conference is pretty

693
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: bad this year, So I'm gonna go under, but I

694
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Speaker 3: think they win thirty.

695
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Speaker 1: So just under that's what you're going ahead and the

696
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: line is thirty and a half. Eric Korean pointed out

697
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: at the Athletic the Raptors were four point five points

698
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: per one hundred persessions better on defense when Yaka Perle

699
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: was on the floor. He does help them out in

700
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: that regard. But Korean noted if the Raptors are looking

701
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: for a quick way to get worse in the middle

702
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: of the season, you could trade or you could sit Parle,

703
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: and that would be a handy trick to obviously lean

704
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: into racking up some and maybe having another bad season

705
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. It does sound like Chris Bouchet

706
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: is going to get back up minutes. He's finally gonna

707
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: get a crack again. He was in the darko doghouse. Remember,

708
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: by all accounts, he is going to be sort of

709
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: their backup as one of the big positions. I like that.

710
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: I like him, I like his energy. It's just like

711
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: to me, it's just like, I'm not like they were

712
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: bad on both sides of the ball last year. I

713
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be a little more average offensively in

714
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: a good way. It's just defense and I know, I'm

715
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: looking into preseason already and I'm seeing the roster there

716
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: does seem to be at least an injection of guys

717
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: that play hard and get at it on the defense

718
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: and end. And I'm talking like, you know, Davion Mitchell,

719
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: that's what he was known for Sacramento, even Shed who's

720
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: like he is impressing, like as a guy who maybe

721
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: is like an eighth or ninth guy. That sort of

722
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: changes the game. So if they just have a little

723
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: a little more energy on the defensive side of the ball,

724
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Speaker 1: I think they're flirting with that thirty to thirty three

725
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: win mark, thirty to thirty five, Like you said it's

726
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: gonna be. Are they a playing team or not? They

727
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: could be right right. I think they'll be in contention

728
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: for it, So I'll lean just over and dark.

729
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 4: Arendkovic, in his second season has said they are focusing

730
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 4: on defense this year, and I guess he didn't focus

731
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 4: on it last year under his first year as a coach.

732
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 4: That being said, I just don't think it's a tax

733
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 4: season for the Raptors. I don't think Barnes tanks After

734
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 4: you give such a huge contract to quickly, there's no

735
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 4: tanking there. I mean, you are paying guys a lot

736
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 4: of money to be top two players, and now you're

737
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 4: just gonna say, oh, you're bad.

738
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: Now they have to be good, and they're better. I

739
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: know they're not.

740
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 4: A top three sixty win team, absolutely not, but they're

741
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: way better than thirty wins if they're playing and they're

742
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 4: playing together.

743
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: So you think they're more a five hundred team of course.

744
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's it's not a it's not a

745
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 4: huge year for a guy to be out. There were

746
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 4: two and nineteen at the end of last season. Their

747
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 4: best player was out. And yeah, they're twenty five wins.

748
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 4: If they can get into the thirties, if they can

749
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 4: be sort of like the Rockets were last year that

750
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 4: was five dah.

751
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the dream.

752
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: A dream man is a nine matchup.

753
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: For sure, over or under one and a half pizza parties.

754
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 3: Oh they got one pizza party last season for a

755
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 3: three game wins.

756
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: Will they get two three game win streaks this season?

757
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: Oh?

758
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh yeah, two pizza parties.

759
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: Two pizza parties.

760
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, pizza pizza, nice cardboard pizza. But love that dipics us.

761
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the central Division over under

762
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: totals here, we'll throw them all up on the board here,

763
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: smiling Giannis. Here in the Central Division, the Bulls twenty

764
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: seven and a half over underwin total, calves forty eight

765
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: and a half, Pistons twenty five and a half, Pacers

766
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: forty six and a half, bucks fifty and a half.

767
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: So obviously we'll start their alphabetical order with Trey Kirby's

768
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: Chicago Bulls twenty seven and a half is the over underline.

769
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: Last year finished thirty nine and forty three, finished ninth

770
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Speaker 1: in the East.

771
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

772
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: Baby, they beat the Hawks, then they lost to the

773
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: Heat in the play in, so they didn't actually get

774
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. They re signed Patrick Williams, added Josh

775
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: Giddy and Chris Duarte in trades, got Jyalen Smith as

776
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: a backup. Big there, you got Bozellis with the number

777
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: eleven pick Josh Premo's gonna get a chance, maybe a

778
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: two way deal here. Okay, there's that lost De Rosen lost,

779
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: Caruso lost, Drummond lost, Javonte Green. What's this team doing here?

780
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: Are they going to lean into the actual rebuilding maybe

781
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: sort of the tank or are they gonna like they

782
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: usually do stay semi competitive and be in the play

783
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: in and thus maybe hitting or would easily then hit.

784
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: I guess at twenty seven and a half, where do

785
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: you go?

786
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: My guy?

787
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: Are tourist karnishiavs said, we're hosting a playoff series this year.

788
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 3: I meant about trying to tank out and keep your

789
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 3: pick in the Cooper Flag lottery. Now the Bulls are

790
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: hosting a playoff series, not just the play in game. Personally,

791
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: I'm pouring one out for the greatest play in Dynasty

792
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 3: we've ever seen, back to back wins in the nine

793
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: to ten game before being eliminated before the real playoffs.

794
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: The thing with the Bulls, twenty seven and a half

795
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 3: is a low number for an over under of a

796
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: team that has like legitimate and players everywhere. This is

797
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: not a team that's guys all in their first rookie

798
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,959
Speaker 3: contracts or recently drafted or picked up off the scrap heap.

799
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: Lavin's a two time All Star, Vucevic is a two

800
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: time All Star. They just paid Patrick Williams. He's in

801
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 3: his fourth year. Same with Josh Giddy. You know there

802
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 3: are guys around. It would behoove the Bulls to finish

803
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: in the bottom six of the NBA this year because

804
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: their pick is top ten protected. Even if people start

805
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 3: jumping over them, they would still finish tenth and keep

806
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 3: the pick.

807
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: But it's the bulls.

808
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 3: They ain't ever gonna do that. I'm going over.

809
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: Wow.

810
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: Not a happy over. No, No, they should be un

811
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: frustrated over.

812
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 3: They are gonna go over because they're gonna be an

813
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 3: end of the season. They'renna be sitting in twelve seed,

814
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: but that tenth seed is in view. Let's go for it.

815
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 3: Can't wait, cannot wait.

816
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 4: I don't know what this team is gonna be on

817
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 4: the floor. That's the that's the thing. Talented players, of course,

818
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 4: Kobe White yesterday or last year, handling the ball good,

819
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 4: Josh Giddy at times with the OKAC handling the ball good.

820
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 4: Now you have Levine back, who's going to handle the ball?

821
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 4: I think they're all wanting to touch the ball now.

822
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: Zach Viline.

823
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 4: Zach Levine in his first press conference, very positive, extremely positive.

824
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 4: He stopped the first question and said, hey, I want

825
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 4: to talk here. It's my first press conference in eight months,

826
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 4: and he said all the good things, like I'm going

827
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 4: to do everything that the needs that team needs me

828
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 4: to be, which is I don't know, It's just one

829
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 4: of those teams that I think they're going to have

830
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 4: some big questions on the offensive end. Now, twenty seven

831
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 4: and a half is not a high number. No, well,

832
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 4: I mean it's extremely low.

833
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: Billy Donovan's Bulls teams have always you know, hit that

834
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: even in the seventy two in seventy two game season

835
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: that was a thirty one win team, and then forty six,

836
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: then forty then thirty nine last year, so they're always

837
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: like a five hundred team ish, So twenty seven and

838
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: a half is really really low. Like even even BEDMGM in

839
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: Vegas is like they gotta lean into the tank here, right,

840
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: like trade Levine Tree, like play the young guys be bad,

841
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, like give Bozellis a ton of opportunity. But

842
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: will they do that or will He'll be playing in

843
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: the Gilie for crying out loud like because that is

844
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: what the Bulls have done. Well, they follow that pattern.

845
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 4: So you're going over I don't know, it's a real

846
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 4: huge question mark here because if Levine and Vouch are there,

847
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: because it sure seems that way for a while. Anyways,

848
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 4: it's going to be a little difficult to trade Zach

849
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 4: Lavine's big deal, which is a talented player. But they're

850
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 4: going to try and run, and Vouching gonna want to run.

851
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I don't know.

852
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 4: I don't want to bet against I wo'd assuming the

853
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 4: guy's a baller. He's going to bring the intensity defensively.

854
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 4: I want to see Lonzo ball play a little bit.

855
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: Anyways, that could be one of the best moments of

856
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 2: the season.

857
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: I'm playing again.

858
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 4: I yes, one hundred percent, that's going to be the

859
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 4: best moment. He'll become the first professional athlete to successfully

860
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 4: return from a knee cartilage transplant. According to Evan Sideri

861
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 4: of Forbes, that's cool.

862
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said media day, I have a brand new knee,

863
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 3: like nothing that God gave him.

864
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, knee.

865
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 3: I like this from Oh Bob in the stream team

866
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: Jerry Reinsdorf just lost a million baseball games. He won't

867
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: want to tank. That's a great point. Wow, they lost something.

868
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: Yes, the worst team in modern history.

869
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: Really they set the record. Okay, nice, so they won't

870
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: want to do that with the ball. Yeah, I got

871
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: more ak quotes. Kernishevisher. We're here to win. Develop Developing

872
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: our players is crucial, but we won't sacrifice the integrity

873
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: of the game just for the sake of development. Wins

874
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: over development. All that said, I'm actually I think they're

875
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: sandbagging this year. I think they're doing something slick. They're like,

876
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: we're here to win. We always try to win. Maybe

877
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: this is the year. Like it actually like they lean

878
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: into playing the young guys again. I want to see

879
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: a lot of bizellos. I want him to get a

880
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: chance and then for it to be bad and let

881
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: giddy rack up triple doubles in losses. I'm gonna go under.

882
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go under a positive under for you.

883
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: I like that. Thank you very much. Welcome, welcome. I

884
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 3: how Kobe White is actually good, like a good half

885
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 3: a season. Last year he did could have won the

886
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 3: most Improved Player, but the criteria has changed. I hope

887
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 3: we go into this season and realize it wasn't just

888
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 3: a hot second half of the season and nobody cared

889
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: about playing against the bulls. Of course, now he's like

890
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 3: probably third in line to handle the ball.

891
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the weird part. It's this very part.

892
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 4: Because Levine is extremely healthy, apparently healthy it has been

893
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 4: a long time. He looks ripped, he looks huge, and

894
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 4: he's extremely developed. I think off the floor, he looks

895
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 4: like he's all grown up. And that's why the way

896
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 4: he's talking, and so he won't may want to play

897
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 4: to get traded.

898
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly I was gonna say, best case scenario.

899
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you here're the Bulls fans, so you tell me.

900
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: Isn't it like zach Lavine actually balls out for the

901
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: first you know, six to seven weeks of the season,

902
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: looks good, looks healthy, and then there's his trade value

903
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 1: sort of comes back, and then there's like packages being

904
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: offered to the Bulls to move them.

905
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: Right if it were also if he starts playing well,

906
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 3: then the Bulls are again, we got this.

907
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: Guy under conference, why would we trade him now?

908
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: Twenty five a game on fifty forty ninety.

909
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: Here's something weird.

910
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 3: Christyuarte has the head of a man who is eight

911
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 3: inches taller than him. Guy's got a giant head. I

912
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 3: didn't realize showed up him, don't. Yeah, he's got a

913
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 3: big old thumb like his head would fit Zack Levine's

914
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: body much better than zach Lavine's.

915
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: Does something looking an interesting point there at the end.

916
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:32,959
Speaker 2: It's a good point.

917
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: Let's move to the Cavaliers forty eight and a half.

918
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: They finished forty eight and thirty four last year, lost

919
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: to the Celtics in the second round. Numerous injuries for

920
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: the Cavs last year. Despite that, again, still got to

921
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: forty eight wins, got the four seed, They reached the

922
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference semifinals. They re signed Donovan Mitchell, Jared Allen,

923
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: Evan Mobley, got a new coach in here. Bickerstaff is out,

924
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: Kenny Atkinson is in. They drafted Jalen Tyson with the

925
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: number twenty pick, They got JT. Thor And you know

926
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 1: they lost Marcus Morris, Damian Jones, Isaiah Mobley. They didn't

927
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: lose a whole line, you know, they really resigned their

928
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: guys and changed their coach. So what's up with this line?

929
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: Forty eight and a half.

930
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: It's a good question.

931
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: Can't win one more game and everybody's like even a

932
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: little bit more healthy and Kenny Akinson unlock something.

933
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: Well, they were really great when they were injured. That problem.

934
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell turned it up.

935
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 4: A notch when both Darius Garland Evan Mobley were out

936
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 4: so I think that's the big question, and they are

937
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 4: going to get all those guys involved. And that's what

938
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 4: Donovan Mitchell did by signing the extension. He said, Okay,

939
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 4: I'm coming back because I know that I can't just

940
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 4: be a number one guy in the playoffs, so we

941
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 4: have to get other guys involved. And Kenny Atkinson is

942
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 4: up for that. He's up for getting Evan Mobley involved. Specifically,

943
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 4: he said, MOBILEI can do more, and he talked about

944
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 4: all the things that he can do more, and it's

945
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 4: totally true. He can bring the ball up in transition,

946
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 4: he can be a ball handler in five out situations.

947
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 4: He can run pick and rolls, and I think he's

948
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 4: gonna stagger Alan and Mobli more so have Mobley can

949
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 4: play the five Oh, Jared Allen sits and we saw

950
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 4: it in the playoffs.

951
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 2: It can work.

952
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 4: And this is a huge trial, I think for Garland

953
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 4: and Mitchell and those two guys at center, Alan and Mobley.

954
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 4: I mean, you got two point guards and two centers essentially,

955
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 4: and this is it. This is it to determine if

956
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: they have to make a move to deal one of them.

957
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 4: So I guess with the forty eight and a half

958
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 4: win thing. You know, maybe you don't have good possessions

959
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 4: because Mitchell doesn't have to be the number one and

960
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 4: two and three guy, and you're trying to work things

961
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 4: out with Mobley, so that may involve or may result,

962
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 4: I should say, in a loss or two, and so

963
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 4: I think I'll take the ender. But it's gonna be

964
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 4: a super super close They're gonna win between forty seven

965
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 4: to fifty games. That is my prediction. It's gonna be

966
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 4: super super close. They're not incredible, but they like if

967
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 4: all those guys are clicking, they should be a fifty

968
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 4: win team.

969
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually like the over for the Calves.

970
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 3: Basically the same team, but they're adding a better coach

971
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: in Kenny Atkinson, who you think will probably have a

972
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: little bit more sophisticated schemes, at least on the offensive

973
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: side of the ball, which is where the Calves have

974
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 3: the most room to grow. They've got a great defense

975
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 3: when Mobley and Allen are both out there, and when

976
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 3: one of them is out there, they still got a

977
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: pretty solid defense. So I think the continuity and the

978
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 3: fact that like you go through there, who left the

979
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: team and it's basically nobody just brothers brothers are leaving.

980
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, you add Kenny Atkinson, who I think is

981
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: definitely better than JB. Bickerstaff. Maybe there's a Jared Allen

982
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 3: trade down the line here. It could happen during the

983
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: regular season. I think if that were to happen, this

984
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: would be an under because maybe it means the mix

985
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 3: isn't right. They got to figure out their backup center

986
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: spot if things were to change. But going into the season,

987
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 3: I like the way the team the Caves have built.

988
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: I think they've got a lot of players together. I

989
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 3: think they got a better coach, they know how to play,

990
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 3: they know their top seven. So I will go over

991
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: just barely literally one win extra. I'll got forty nine

992
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 3: wins for the Caves.

993
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Difficult here with the Calves because I always when

994
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: I think about Calves and this over under, I look

995
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: at the Pacers and I look at the Magic, and

996
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: I go of those three teams, they all have similar

997
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: lines here. I know we'll get to Indiana and Orlando

998
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 1: in a second. But like it's like one two, maybe

999
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: hit their over and sort of catapult up into the

1000
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: next tier, or at least flirting with the next tier.

1001
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: Like your championship contenders, but not all three, right, Like,

1002
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: it just doesn't feel like it's plausible to me. So

1003
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: I struggle with which team it'll be that I'm sort

1004
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: of dropping, but it's not gonna be the Calves. I'll

1005
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: give you two reasons why that. I like the over

1006
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: you said. The first, it's the continuity top ten players

1007
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 1: in minutes all returning, that's got to count for something. Here.

1008
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: I like the Kennyacketts and upgrade as a coach. And

1009
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: then this from Yeah who Sports sort of blew my mind.

1010
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: The Calves just take care of business against crappy teams.

1011
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: Over the last two seasons, the Calves were fifty seven

1012
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: and twelve against teams under five hundred, forty one and

1013
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: fifty three against opponents at or above five hundred. So,

1014
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: you know, struggling against the better teams, but you want

1015
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: to rack up a bunch of wins, you beat the

1016
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: crappy teams. And there's still a share bad teams in

1017
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 1: this league, and they usually take care of business.

1018
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: Play.

1019
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, nice, really nice, that's right. So I like just

1020
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: the over here, Like, so probably like a fifty win

1021
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: team for the Calves because they're just saying they're like, hey,

1022
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: if we're healthy, we got new coach, bring back everybody.

1023
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: You know, we're one more win is all. We're looking

1024
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: for one more win, right right, So I'll take the

1025
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: over leaning for the Calves. Let's go to the Pistons.

1026
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: That's where JB. Bickerstaff is. Okay, nice coach in Detroit. Uh,

1027
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: twenty five and a half is the line. That's a

1028
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: bit of a jump. They finished fourteen and sixty eight

1029
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: last year. They were dead last in the East, dead

1030
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: last in the NBA. They had one of the worst

1031
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: offensive ratings, one of the worst defensive ratings. It was

1032
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: their worst season in franchise history. They had a twenty

1033
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 1: eight game losing streak, the longest single season losing streak

1034
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: in NBA history. I think it's somehow is forgotten. But

1035
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: they re signed Cad Cunningham. They got fun techio back again.

1036
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 1: They got bickerstaph as their coach. They got Malik Beasley,

1037
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: Tobias Harris, Paul Reid all in free agency. They traded

1038
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: for Tim Hardaway junior. They got Wendellmore junior. They drafted

1039
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: Ron Hall in the second with the number five pick,

1040
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 1: and who they lose Quinton Grimes, James Wiseman TODJ. Gibson

1041
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: twenty five and a half. Though, you know we're looking

1042
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: at a significant jump there in the win loss column.

1043
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: Can the Pistons do it?

1044
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1045
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 3: I was wondering if a team had ever had the

1046
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 3: worst record in the league, not drafted first and then

1047
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: still had a ten win jump. Okay, I couldn't figure

1048
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: it out, and they're projections, but it can't happen very often, right,

1049
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: Like I mean a little bit understandable, Like the Spurs

1050
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: situation last year. You draft Victor Wembin not Yama, you

1051
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: win more games. Same with Lebron and the Cavs. I

1052
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: don't know if it has ever happened before, but they

1053
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 3: should win more than fourteen games.

1054
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: Yea.

1055
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 3: The problem is that if they win ten more games,

1056
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: that's a lot more games. They're still hitting the under.

1057
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 3: There's no way they have a twenty eight game losing

1058
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 3: streak again. Yeah, right, I agree with that. No, most

1059
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: likely not. They got JB. Bickerstaff. He at least he

1060
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: wants to be a coach. Monti Williams did not want

1061
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 3: to be a coach.

1062
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: Right.

1063
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: They've got reasonable players up and down the roster, teams,

1064
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: players that they're coming from teams where they were all

1065
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: happy to see him go. Bucks fans were happy to

1066
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 3: say goodbye to Malik Beasley. You know, Sixers fans were

1067
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 3: glad that Tobias Harris left, and same with the Mavericks

1068
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 3: and Tim Hardaway Junior. But they come to Detroit and

1069
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 3: they're like blessings manna from heaven. These guys shoot three

1070
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: pointers which are worth one extra point and give more

1071
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 3: space to all of our guards who like to dribble.

1072
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: It makes more sense as a team. I'm still going under,

1073
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 3: just because the gap is too big, but I think

1074
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 3: the Pistons should not be the worst team in the

1075
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 3: league this right.

1076
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: I feel like if this line was twenty and a

1077
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: half or nineteen and a half like the Nets, I

1078
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: think a lot of people will be pounding the over.

1079
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: But the twenty five and a half is where they

1080
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: get you tests. Yeah they said it, Well, yeah, that's.

1081
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 4: What they do. They set good lines. I am going over.

1082
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 4: I do think that she just said that they have

1083
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 4: better players. Yeah they do, and they have a coach

1084
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 4: who's not going to just play favorites. I mean, Killian

1085
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 4: Hayes was their starting point guard for a long time

1086
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 4: when Kate Cunningham is right beside him. Let Kate Cunningham

1087
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 4: handle the ball. That's what he does. And so the

1088
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 4: guy like Tobias Harris, the guy's a very good basketball players.

1089
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 4: As awful as it was to see him get his

1090
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 4: contract for the Philadelphia seventy six ers fans, the guy

1091
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 4: has been hitting shots for a long time in this league.

1092
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 4: So he's starting. There's no doubt he's starting beside Kate.

1093
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 4: Jalen Duran is the other guy who's definitely starting at

1094
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 4: the center spot. And then I'm not exactly sure if

1095
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 4: it's j n Ivy and Simonty Fontecio who they get

1096
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 4: a full year of this time, and Jane and Ivy

1097
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 4: as well is going to be playing this year, or

1098
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 4: if it's a Star Thompson taking the spot of one

1099
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 4: of those guys. I've decided that's probably the way that

1100
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 4: they go. Ja n Ivy needs the ball in his hands,

1101
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 4: so he may be the first guy off the bench

1102
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 4: because he's a threes or layups guy and that's what

1103
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 4: he does. And JB. Bicker stephas said we're staggering him

1104
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 4: and Caid, so there's that. I just think going through

1105
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 4: everything they get Fred Vincent, who is the shooting doctor.

1106
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 4: He's going to help a start. Tom's going to help

1107
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 4: Ron Hiland's got to help jn Ivy shoot threes. Now,

1108
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 4: Jayalen Durrant's terrible on defense.

1109
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: That ain't good.

1110
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,479
Speaker 4: But uh, I just think I mentioned all those guys

1111
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 4: because they're all guys who can play offense, and we'll

1112
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 4: see about the defensive thing. But I think all those

1113
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 4: guys just wrap it all up. Without Monty Williams playing

1114
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 4: favorites there ten wins, no problem as an increase, no problem. Rah, Yeah,

1115
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 4: I think I think they're good enough. Again, they just

1116
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 4: weren't playing good basketball during that losing streak. They weren't

1117
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 4: playing the right guys.

1118
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: No, I mean everybody got injured for them too. Yeah,

1119
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: they had a very bad year in terms of injuries.

1120
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: Like I think they had two guys that played more

1121
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: than sixty three games. That's it. Caid was just under

1122
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: that mark. Obviously, Jille and Duran missed a bunch of times.

1123
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: So that's a part of the equation here, just some

1124
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: of their they're better players being healthy, but they incompetent

1125
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: basketball players. You guys said this, they did Tobias tim

1126
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: the league, I mean, these are good players, they're not

1127
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: elite players, but give Kate a chance, give Ivy a chance,

1128
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: like to surround them with some guys that can actually

1129
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: hit shots or at least are a threat to hit shots.

1130
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: So it opens up the floor a bit. But I

1131
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: just like teams that win less than twenty games, you know,

1132
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: you're not making strong playoff pushes usually the next year.

1133
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: And not that I'm saying they would. I mean, you

1134
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: win twenty six games here, you still hit the over

1135
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: and you're not even sniffing the play in. But like

1136
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: it's it's a significant jump here. It really is. It

1137
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: definitely is. But will they have like the whole like

1138
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: catch a lot of teams by surprise because everyone's like

1139
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: the Piston stink. I mean, Joe Brown's already saying it,

1140
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: so maybe there's a bunch of other teams. Thinks this year,

1141
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: maybe I want to go over for Pistons fans, but

1142
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: I think I lean just under. But it's probably like,

1143
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, a twenty four to twenty five win team,

1144
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: and that's an improvement and then you know, and you

1145
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: get to the thirty five win mark the next year hopefully,

1146
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: but not this year.

1147
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 3: I don't think the Pistons have won twenty five games

1148
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 3: or more since the eighteen nineteen season.

1149
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: They were forty one and forty one.

1150
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 3: In a minute, they haven't had an over five hundred

1151
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 3: season since twenty fifteen sixteen.

1152
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: Holy those are the Blake days eighteen nineteen. Yeah a

1153
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: long time ago.

1154
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, twenty five, well, twenty six. I guess you

1155
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: got to hit to hit the over there for the

1156
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: most What.

1157
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 3: A team the twenty fifteen sixteen Pistons. Can you guess

1158
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 3: who led the team in scoring? His name has been

1159
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 3: said today, Reggie Jackson, there you go, oht Catchy Jackson,

1160
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 3: Tobias Harris, Andre Drummond, Contavious Caldwell, Pope, Marcus Morris. Where

1161
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 3: their top scorers? All those guys have been said today?

1162
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well not Casey Pebo are getting And you said

1163
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 1: that was the forty one wine.

1164
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 3: No, this was forty four winles. Oh jeez, that team

1165
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 3: got you forty fours in twenty fifteen sixteen.

1166
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: Things have changed, that's true. Okay, let's go to the

1167
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: Pacers forty six and a half. Is there a line?

1168
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,959
Speaker 1: They finished forty seven and thirty five last year, lost

1169
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: to the Celtics in the East Finals, had one of

1170
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: the greatest offenses we've ever seen. Pretty poor defensively, but

1171
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: they had a quiet summer. You know. They are sort

1172
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: of one of these teams choosing sort of growth in

1173
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: chemistry over a lot of drastic changes. They re signed Siakam,

1174
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 1: Andrew Nemhart, Obi Toppin, Quinton Jackson, James Johnson, added James

1175
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: Wiseman in free agency, basically to replace Jalen Smith who

1176
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: they lost to the Bulls, and they drafted a bunch

1177
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: of second round picks, including a guy named Johnny Furfey Oh, Yeah,

1178
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: which I love that name. I think pundits don't know

1179
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: where to slot this team. I really don't. I've seen

1180
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: them projected as high as fourth in the Eastern Conference

1181
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: and as low as like eighth or ninth, So it's

1182
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: like a big gap you want to get started on

1183
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: the pacers of a forty six and a half win line.

1184
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's very easy to just assume they'll

1185
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 4: be very similar to last year because they're basically bringing

1186
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 4: back the same team. I'm just watching for those guys

1187
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 4: that are internal that they hope will grow, like Benedict Mathern,

1188
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 4: who didn't play in the playoffs. Very good player Jaris Walker,

1189
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 4: who basically didn't play the entire year because he was

1190
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 4: the first round pick, but they were just rolling with

1191
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 4: Miles Turner, and I wonder how he plays. Determines if

1192
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 4: they'll resign Myles Turner after this coming year. But as

1193
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 4: I as I contemplate it along with the betters, as

1194
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 4: you mentioned, they're forty seven to thirty five. They play

1195
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 4: so fast last year and we're really good offensively, so

1196
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 4: will teams be a little bit more ready.

1197
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 2: For that offense this year?

1198
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 4: I guess, I guess, But like they're still yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1199
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 4: They just run and they you know, lead the league

1200
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 4: in passes because they're really really really really really good

1201
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 4: at that. They've bought into every single one of their guys,

1202
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 4: so that that forty seven, it just seems like it

1203
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 4: has to be an over. But I do, I do

1204
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 4: think the strength of the East is better, like at

1205
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 4: the top, right at the top, So I do think

1206
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 4: that hurts the but I'll take the under just because

1207
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 4: they did surprise a lot of teams last year. I

1208
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 4: hope Haliburton is healthy the entire season. That would help

1209
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 4: the win total, obviously, because he was hurt last year,

1210
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 4: but I think teams will be ready.

1211
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: For Number one.

1212
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 4: There the style of play and just every guy on

1213
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 4: this team that is exactly the same as last year essentially,

1214
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 4: But this isn't.

1215
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: The style of play in a regular season. It almost

1216
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: benefits them, right because like teams come in and like

1217
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: all right, sweet, no defense tonight, yep, let's shoot, let's

1218
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: run and gun. Everybody likes to play like that, and

1219
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: I think it does help them.

1220
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 4: You got to play a little defense. The opposing team

1221
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 4: just knows that they're gonna.

1222
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 2: They know exactly they're going to pass.

1223
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 4: Every single time we all watched it, they pass a

1224
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 4: thousand times on offense.

1225
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 2: It's tough to defend. Yeah, but you know it's you

1226
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: know it's coming.

1227
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 3: I guess what do you do with Indiana when you're

1228
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 3: talking about where they rank in the Eastern Conference. I'm

1229
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 3: definitely more so like the four to seven range than

1230
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 3: the bottom of the play in playoff picture, I think

1231
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 3: there was still a really good team. And you mentioned

1232
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 3: it earlier, the Calves, the Pacers and the magic like

1233
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 3: they're all going to be in the finishing with like

1234
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, between forty five and fifty wins. It

1235
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 3: really feels like right, I've was going to see how

1236
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 3: they played with Siakam last year compared to how they

1237
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 3: were before forty one games, the Perfect Split twenty three

1238
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 3: and eighteen they went with Pascal Siakam. Literally no help here,

1239
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 3: because that's a forty six win pace. But it led

1240
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 3: me to go to the under because I'm like, wait,

1241
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 3: forty six wins, that's just barely hitting the under. I'm

1242
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 3: with tasks. I don't think the surprise factor is there

1243
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 3: quite the same, and I think that they probably will

1244
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 3: try to play a little bit less of an extreme style,

1245
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 3: like the Pacers gave up so many baskets at the

1246
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 3: rim last year because they didn't want to give up

1247
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 3: three pointers because they knew the only way we're going

1248
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 3: to win games is by outscoring teams. I think they

1249
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 3: can win different ways this year. Having Siakam around for

1250
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 3: the entirety of the season, they should have a little

1251
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 3: bit more continuity together having played a half season together,

1252
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 3: because I thought there were times last year where Seacam

1253
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 3: was just thrown into the Pacers style rather than having

1254
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 3: the team built around him at all. Clearly still Halliburton's team,

1255
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 3: but there are ways to get siakam more. I think

1256
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 3: they'll be as good as they were last year and

1257
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 3: just barely hit their under here, but still be a

1258
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 3: really good team and a tough team to play in

1259
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 3: the playoffs.

1260
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: I agree with you guys, we can keep it moving.

1261
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: I think you nailed it. I think they're just they're

1262
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: going to be right around that mark though they I mean,

1263
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: maybe they finished exactly forty seven and thirty five again

1264
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: and that would hit the over. But it feels like

1265
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: with the top of the East getting a little bit better,

1266
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: maybe some of these other teams chasing them improving a

1267
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: little bit. We talked about the Magic and Cavs. I

1268
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: sort of have to, like I said that, now I

1269
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: have to follow my rule, and I'll tell you right now,

1270
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: I like the for the Magic, So I have to

1271
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 1: pick one of those teams to not hit the over

1272
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: and I'll go Indiana. Unfortunately, as my team just hitting

1273
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 1: the under final team in the Central Division of Milwaukee

1274
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: Bucks fifty and a half wins, forty nine and thirty three.

1275
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: They were last year, you know, very weird year. They

1276
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: lost to the Pacers in the first round. Some injuries

1277
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 1: played a part, but it was like sort of a disaster,

1278
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: and they still won forty nine games. They hired first

1279
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: time head coach Adrian Griffin, they fired him a few

1280
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: months later just by having an awesome record, and then

1281
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: they finished with a worse record under his replacement in

1282
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: Doc Rivers. Damian Lillard didn't arrive in Milwaukee until basically

1283
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: the started training camp, said he was out of shape.

1284
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: Chris Middleton and Brook Lopez, I think they started to

1285
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: show their age a little bit, and you know, especially

1286
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: with injuries with Middleton Johannis suffered a left calf strain.

1287
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: And again all this to say, they still got forty

1288
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: nine wins. What did they do? They added Torrean Prince,

1289
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: Gary Trent, Junior Delawn Wright. They drafted A. J. Johnson

1290
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: the number twenty three pick. They lost Beasley, Beverly Crowder.

1291
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: Gallinari is the nassist there.

1292
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah he is there. Okay, always is he.

1293
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure he was the I know, I know, I

1294
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: hadn't notes. I wasn't confident on that, but a lot

1295
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: of those guys don't even play in the league anymore

1296
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: that I just listed.

1297
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 3: They traded five second round picks for Jake Crowder.

1298
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, wow, that's right.

1299
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 3: That's right.

1300
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: So again the line fifty and a half basically sort

1301
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: of last year's finished forty nine and thirty three, where you.

1302
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 3: Go, well, it should be a lot drama filled season. Yeah,

1303
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 3: I would think Mary J. Blige mode here. But then

1304
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 3: Chris Middleton comes in having double foot surgery. You mentioned

1305
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 3: that all these guys were showing their age last year.

1306
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 3: Guess what time ticks on.

1307
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 2: They're a year older.

1308
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 3: I think they're the second oldest team in the NBA,

1309
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 3: behind I believe the Clippers, so they're the oldest team

1310
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 3: in the Eastern Conference. When guys get old, they pick

1311
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 3: up injuries more often, which is definitely what happened with

1312
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 3: Chris Middleton. He doesn't just seem like a all star

1313
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 3: guy anymore. Maybe he can tune it up. He definitely

1314
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 3: was good in the playoffs a couple of games against

1315
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 3: the Pacers, but I don't know if you're relying on

1316
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 3: him on a night to night basis. It was weird

1317
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 3: that Dame and Giannis said they didn't get together at

1318
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 3: all over the off season, but they did text message

1319
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 3: each other a lot. I think, more than anything, if

1320
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 3: those two guys are healthy, they'll still be a good team.

1321
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 3: But the Bucks has been one of the teams I've

1322
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 3: soured the most on during the summer. I'm like, yeah,

1323
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 3: they did a great job getting prints, Gary, Trent Junior,

1324
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 3: and Delon Right. Those guys are all minimum players. They

1325
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 3: don't really move the needle all that much, and there's

1326
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 3: reasons that they are available. So I'll take the bare

1327
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 3: on there.

1328
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 4: For the Bucks, I go over because they had a

1329
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 4: good offseason. And the other part of their offseason, which

1330
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 4: they weren't necessarily controlling, was Damian Lillard training to be

1331
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 4: a player on a basketball team. He said he wasn't

1332
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 4: training all that hard last year because he didn't know

1333
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 4: who he's playing for than next season. He got traded

1334
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 4: by the Blazers right before training camp.

1335
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: So there's that.

1336
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 2: There's that part.

1337
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 4: I think Damian Lillard is going to be a really

1338
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 4: good player this year. He's just going to be that

1339
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 4: more motivated.

1340
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: Like all Star all NBA level.

1341
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 4: I think it's very very good possibility that he's an

1342
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 4: All Star. Yeah, this is this is a comeback year

1343
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 4: for him. I think he's got no choice. I think

1344
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,919
Speaker 4: we're going to see what Doc Rivers asked for when

1345
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 4: he got there. More pick and rolls, with Dame and

1346
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 4: Giannis because it really didn't happen a lot last season,

1347
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 4: and that's going to be lethal. So that's going to

1348
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 4: happen a lot. They're slow playing Chris Middleton, which I

1349
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 4: think is a good thing for them. He's like Joel

1350
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 4: Embiid with Philadelphia seventy six ers. He's injured, They're going

1351
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 4: to slow play it, and he's going to come back

1352
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 4: as they need him.

1353
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 2: I mean, it is a little scary he's old, but

1354
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 2: I think, you know well, with the big four that

1355
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 2: they have.

1356
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 4: In the big four, I mean dam Giannis, Brook Lopez,

1357
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 4: and Chris Milton, I think Gary Trent will be decent

1358
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 4: in that starting lineup. I think it'll probably be him.

1359
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 4: They started last year thirty and thirteen, and that is a.

1360
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: Really good, good enough, get out of here Griffin.

1361
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got rid of him and then they ended

1362
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 4: nineteen and twenty over their last thirty nine games. So

1363
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 4: I think with a healthy Dame that bodes well for

1364
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 4: a good start to this season and a good year overall.

1365
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 4: He's just going to be more effective. So I like

1366
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 4: the over with this Milwaukee Bucks team. I think they've

1367
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 4: got enough.

1368
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: Jannis averaged thirty twelve and seven on sixty percent shooting

1369
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: last season. Yeah, and it was like a bad year

1370
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: obviously for him in the Bucks. It's it's sort of

1371
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: insane where the bar is with him. I thought, yeah,

1372
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: who sports nailed it in their right up For this team,

1373
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: the Bucks title chances are in trouble if Lillard's all

1374
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: NBA days are behind him, Middleton's All Star days are

1375
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: behind him, or if Lopez's all defensive days are behind

1376
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,919
Speaker 1: him and that was an ore not all of those.

1377
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: I think there's some truth to that, and I think

1378
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: that's my concern with this team. Now. I know that's

1379
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: talking about postseason and playoff runs and stuff like that,

1380
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: and we're really focusing on the regular season wins here,

1381
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: but one of those things, one of those things is

1382
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: enough to like maybe take them out of the tier

1383
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: of those elite teams in the Eastern Conference and at

1384
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: least in competing for a championship. You know, Lillard drop

1385
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: off because of age, Middleton drop off because of injury,

1386
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: and Brook, I mean, he's was super important defensively to

1387
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: that team when they were obviously winning the title and

1388
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and I just you know, he's gotten

1389
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: old as well. I like the moves. I'm the biggest

1390
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: the long right fan going. I love that pickup. I

1391
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: like Gary Trent Junior as a shooter at least. I mean,

1392
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: they're always trying to find a guy as that fifth

1393
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: guy in that lineup. But he and Dearing makes sense.

1394
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: Torrient Prince is still pretty good player. But fifty and

1395
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: a half, I go just under. I go under, and

1396
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: I are there the one team I wonder you know

1397
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: they're still included because you have your honest as one

1398
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: of the elite teams in the East. But will one

1399
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: of those teams, the Calves, the Magic, the Pacers, somebody

1400
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: else bump them out of a top four slot. I

1401
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: think I think it might be a play, might be

1402
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: a played.

1403
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 3: They seem most likely to fall out of the top

1404
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 3: four if you're considering the Celtics, the Sixers, and the

1405
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 3: Knicks up there as well.

1406
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: Southeast Division our final division. We'll show you all five

1407
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: got the Hawks a thirty five and a half wins,

1408
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: Hornet's twenty nine and a half, Heat forty four and

1409
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: a half, Magic forty seven and a half, and the

1410
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: Wizards twenty and a half. Let's give it up for

1411
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: the Southeast Division.

1412
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, all.

1413
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: Right, let's start with the Hawks again. Thirty five and

1414
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: a half is the over under. They finished thirty six

1415
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: and forty six last year, tenth in the East. They

1416
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: lost to the Heat in the playing game. Trey Young

1417
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: missed nearly thirty games. The defense stunk again, like as

1418
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: it always has. What they do. They resigned Vitkracie. Oh yeah,

1419
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: Hollinger loves it, allowed to he's good. Yeah, you saw it.

1420
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: They added Dyson Daniels, Larry Nance, Junior, David the Body, Roddy,

1421
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: Cody Zeller, all four of those guys coming in trades.

1422
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: Signed Dominic Barlow as a free agent. Sounds like a lawyer,

1423
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: and they drafted Zachary the number one pick. They lost

1424
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: to John Tey Murray to the Pels. They lost City

1425
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: Bay to the Wizards, AJ Griffin to the Rockets. Slash

1426
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: the Lord, uh so Atlanta task you get started here.

1427
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: It's a low line, thirty five and a half? Can

1428
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: they bounce back? Do you believe in Jalen Johnson? Do

1429
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: you believe in Dyson Daniels as a defensive guy beside Treyon?

1430
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: What do you go?

1431
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 2: I believe in Dominic Barlow? What name he's a wire character.

1432
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, that's good, that's good.

1433
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 2: True.

1434
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 4: I'm excited to see Treyon on this team, no to

1435
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 4: John Ty Murray, because he now he will be a

1436
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 4: true hawk, like a real hawk, you know what a

1437
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 4: how a hawk just sort of like coasts in the

1438
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 4: air and then he's glad and then woo dive bomb

1439
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 4: like he will give them ball to Dyson Daniels and

1440
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 4: DeAndrea Hunter, Jalen Johnson.

1441
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 2: Then he gets the ball back then diba right into

1442
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 2: the lane. That's what he's gonna do. He's gonna let

1443
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 2: everybody else do their thing and then he's gonna score.

1444
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 4: But I do want to mention Jalen Johnson because he's

1445
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 4: a damn good player as a second guy now on

1446
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 4: this team. He was really good, and this team started

1447
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 4: well last year. Surprisingly he was eight and seven. Then

1448
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 4: they were eight and seven, and then Jalen Johnson got hurt,

1449
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 4: and then they were twelve and seventeen when he returned,

1450
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 4: and things.

1451
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 2: Just went bad. So there's that.

1452
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 4: I am interested with the length and the youth transition

1453
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 4: here with Dyson Daniels, Zachary Resa Chet, Kobe Buffkin, because

1454
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 4: I think he'll get some times a backup point guard

1455
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 4: and Jalen Johnson and a little on Yeka in there

1456
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 4: as well.

1457
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is a this is just.

1458
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 4: A mediocre team. Looking forward to seeing Zachary Resache. But

1459
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 4: he's nineteen years old and so yes, he can handle.

1460
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 4: He's a really good player. But at this age it's

1461
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 4: going to take some time. Maybe he'll take DeAndre Hunter's role.

1462
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 4: I think starting role. I think, I think there's a

1463
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 4: chance later on in the season even but not to start.

1464
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 4: Kobe Buffkin can.

1465
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 2: Play some defense. I don't know.

1466
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 4: The biggest question is they're gonna be a mediocre team.

1467
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 4: The biggest question to me is are we gonna call

1468
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 4: Zachary Resachet Zach Resasche at some point? Because Zachary it's

1469
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 4: unprecedented in the National Basketball Association. He would be the

1470
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 4: first Zachary in NBA history. You get it, a Zach Lavine,

1471
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 4: a Zach Randolph, They're all Zach's. There's not one Zachary

1472
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 4: out there, surprisingly, not even Zara. Zach and the greatest

1473
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 4: official A mediocre team, but I am looking forward to

1474
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 4: this type of team around Trey. Young guys who are

1475
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 4: long like Dyson Daniels and there Hunter. Will they be

1476
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 4: able to play enough good basketball around Trey Young.

1477
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 2: We'll see.

1478
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 3: Now the defense is still gonna be bad. They're not

1479
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 3: even talking about it this year. Last year they're like,

1480
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 3: we're gonna be better on defense. They were worse than

1481
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 3: they were the year before. It didn't even make sense.

1482
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 3: Brought in Quinn Snyder. They had Jontay mr allegedly a defender,

1483
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 3: and they were worse. So this year they're like, we're

1484
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 3: just gonna score a lot. Yeah, the Pacers totally, that's

1485
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 3: what they should be doing. Like you've got an offensive

1486
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 3: engine in Trey Young. The style they play is different

1487
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 3: obviously than the Pacers. That's the brilliance of Haliburn. He

1488
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 3: is happy to get rid of the ball and let

1489
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 3: somebody else do stuff. I don't know if that's always

1490
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 3: the case with Trey Young. You're talking about he'll give

1491
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 3: the ball up, He'll go back around and get it

1492
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 3: back later. That never happened with the Jante Murray.

1493
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: He would give the ball up, Murray would shoot it,

1494
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: or Trey.

1495
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 3: Young would do everything until it was time to pass

1496
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 3: and then dish it to a guy for an assist.

1497
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 3: But I'm kind of starting to be in on Resa Sha.

1498
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 3: The first thing that happened was we played two K

1499
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,479
Speaker 3: twenty five with Eshua and skeets. You were just green

1500
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 3: all night with Reesa, I could not miss. Then we

1501
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 3: get to training camp and everybody's coming out and saying, man,

1502
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 3: he can really really shoot it as a nineteen year old,

1503
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 3: I don't know if he'll start right away, being nineteen.

1504
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 3: He's very skinny, he's very green, obviously, but he looks

1505
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 3: like he'll be a decent player long term for the Hawks.

1506
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean the bar's low for Barlow thirty

1507
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 3: six wins, but that's the Hawks. They're gonna hit the over.

1508
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 3: They're gonna win exactly thirty six games again, same exact team.

1509
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: Well, and some people might be like, why though, why

1510
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't they lean into the tank, go play capture the flag,

1511
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: go capture that Cooper flag? Number one pick? Well, the

1512
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: Hawks over there twenty twenty five first round pick to

1513
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: the Spurs, so they have no reason to tank. There's

1514
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: like no incentive there, which separates them from a bunch

1515
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: of other teams that obviously have their own pick, and like,

1516
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: could you know, boost your at least odds of maybe

1517
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: maybe getting that number one pick. So yeah, it's just

1518
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: like they never stop anyone. I'm gonna be frustrated with

1519
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hunter in game three. I'm gonna be saying, yes,

1520
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: start to get them in, start Zacharie. But it's just

1521
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: so low. I mean it's lower than last year, and

1522
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: it honestly the team on paper, it does make almost

1523
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: more sense. Like I like the guy like Larry NaN's

1524
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: junior even I think we'll have a role here when

1525
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: you pair them with some of these guys. Just play

1526
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: some DMP like average defense around a team that you're

1527
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: always going to be led by an offensive juggernut in

1528
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: Trey Young, I mean, you're going to be sort of

1529
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: flirting with the top ten team usually on that side

1530
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: of the ball. I'll go just over. I'm with your TK,

1531
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: like you know, they're gonna do it. They're gonna be

1532
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: the ten. See it'll probably be battling our Raptors and

1533
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,799
Speaker 1: probably your Bulls again, our three crappy teams.

1534
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 4: They've been to mediocre team since Trey was drafted. They

1535
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 4: continuously win forty games, yeah.

1536
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 2: You know the last several years until thirty six last.

1537
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: But he missed the massive chunk of games.

1538
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was definitely a part of it was awesome

1539
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 3: though when Trey, and that is a problem if if

1540
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 3: Trey were to suffer an injury and he's out for

1541
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 3: twenty games or something like that. I think this team

1542
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 3: is much worse without Trader than the team without Trey

1543
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 3: last year.

1544
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 2: But you know, V.

1545
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 3: Crazy, he can take a little bit more playmaking responsibility.

1546
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,839
Speaker 3: He's the most underrated player in the league. Wo because

1547
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 3: ninety eight percent of people who watch basketball do not

1548
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:57,799
Speaker 3: know who V Crazy is and he is legitimately allowed

1549
01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 3: to be.

1550
01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 2: In the NBA.

1551
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's sort of like he's like the new fun Techio,

1552
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: a little bit y.

1553
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 2: We like it.

1554
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 3: He's just a solid ninth man.

1555
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 4: Defended Jason Tatum well last year. And they've got some

1556
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 4: long guys, some young guys. Obviously they're they're caught in this. Hey,

1557
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 4: are we just tanking or are we are?

1558
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 2: Are we going to be good?

1559
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 4: I think again, they're gonna be sort of a mediocre

1560
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 4: team and it will be sort of fun to watch

1561
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 4: Dyson Daniels, who I think will be good, Resche Kobe Buffkin,

1562
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 4: all those guys that are super long and fun. But

1563
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 4: they're not gonna do it consistently.

1564
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: That's the p and Jalen Johnson. I know we'll get

1565
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: to award predictions later in the week, probably on Friday,

1566
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: but like he's gonna be his name's gonna pop up

1567
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: in most Improved talk and stuff like that, like can

1568
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: you build on last year? Yeah?

1569
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 4: Alongside Tray there he dunked on chet last year. He

1570
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 4: went for it, talked some trash. He's fun and Trey

1571
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 4: Young all the all the.

1572
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 2: Criticism he takes. He's a good offensive player. Last year was.

1573
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 4: His highest most assisted shots of his career that he made.

1574
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 4: He made the most assisted shots of his career last year,

1575
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 4: almost twenty nine percent. So it was a little less

1576
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 4: iso iso ball. So we'll see if that happens this year.

1577
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 4: Probably not with who they got around him.

1578
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 1: So you were leaning, you were going over, going over, Okay,

1579
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 1: they're all sort of just going over. Okay.

1580
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 2: Five and a half is freaking low.

1581
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,560
Speaker 1: Okay, here's another low line. The Hornets twenty nine and

1582
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: a half. They finished twenty one and sixty one. Last year.

1583
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: They were thirteenth in the East. They were very bad

1584
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball, near the bottom of

1585
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 1: offensive and defensive ratings. Twenty eighth and twenty ninth. LaMelo

1586
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: Will only played twenty two games, though Hornets won again

1587
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: twenty one. They resigned Miles Bridges, they resigned Seth Curry.

1588
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: They got a new coach, Charles Lee by way of

1589
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: the Celtics. They got Josh Green in a trade, TODJ.

1590
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: Gibson as a free agent, they got they drafted the

1591
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 1: French Kid to John Salon with the number six pick.

1592
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 1: They got kJ Simpson as well a number forty two.

1593
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: They have new ownership, new management, new coach. I mean

1594
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: that sort of was their offseason sick. What's the main

1595
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 1: question around this team? Is it like LaMelo staying healthy

1596
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: and how he meshes with Charles Lee as the new

1597
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: head coach and whether they can build a relationship. And

1598
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: is this a jump from twenty one wins to thirty

1599
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: win team?

1600
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 2: For you?

1601
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 1: What do you think?

1602
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 3: It's not a jump that big for me. I think

1603
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 3: the Hornets will be better. And the big question one

1604
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 3: hundred percent is how much can LaMelo Ball play. He

1605
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 3: played twenty two games last year, only like thirty six

1606
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 3: the year before. I think he's played one more game

1607
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 3: than Ben Simmons in the past two seasons. That's not great.

1608
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,799
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean the relationship with his coach that's important,

1609
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 3: but more than anything as him being on the court

1610
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,719
Speaker 3: next to Brandon Miller to see how these two fit together,

1611
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 3: because it looked like Miller long term is going to

1612
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 3: be a guy who can handle the ball a little bit,

1613
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 3: get his own shot, but probably is at his best

1614
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 3: when he's finishing plays. LaMelo is an awesome playmaker, great

1615
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 3: vision as a passer, not always the most efficient when

1616
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 3: he's trying to get his own shot. So you can

1617
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 3: see where the bumps in each other's heads would fit

1618
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 3: in together. You gotta have LaMelo on the court to

1619
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 3: actually see how that works out. People like to throw

1620
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 3: Mark Williams in the mix as a guy who's a

1621
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 3: piece for them long term. We shall see. At the

1622
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 3: very least he gives them a center that they need,

1623
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 3: a rim runner, somebody who can finish inside. So I

1624
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 3: can see a world where the Hornets hit the over

1625
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 3: here if they get good health from LaMelo, If Mark

1626
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 3: Williams is able to stay on the court, I don't

1627
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 3: think it's going to be a good team. But you know,

1628
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 3: the Hornets were in the mix for playing spots before

1629
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 3: LaMelo really started going down with these ankle injuries, so

1630
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 3: hopefully he can keep it under the speed limit and

1631
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 3: hopefully he can keep on the court. I'm still taking

1632
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 3: the under for the Hornets. I just don't think they're

1633
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 3: a very good team. But I do like Trey Mann

1634
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 3: wearing a baggy uniform.

1635
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 1: Oh I saw, Yeah, looks good.

1636
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 3: Man, You like the bag I don't know if it

1637
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 3: looks good, but it's nice to see a change.

1638
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: We were due for a.

1639
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 3: New era in NBA fits because people do like the

1640
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 3: more tailored jersey. The little bit shorter short and he's

1641
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 3: going like early two thousand style looks sweet?

1642
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 1: Are we sure we would need some reporting on this

1643
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: that Like it was like, oh crap, we don't have

1644
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: shorts for this guy. It was like they just grabbed

1645
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: the because they were really creased. Those shorts they came

1646
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 1: just out.

1647
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:05,759
Speaker 3: Of a bear were very creepy.

1648
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: So I do wonder if he was like those were

1649
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: backup shorts or something and he just had to throw

1650
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 1: them on.

1651
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 2: He had start.

1652
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 3: He was playing with it, and I would say even

1653
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 3: more so than the longer short, which was definitely true.

1654
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 3: He had a pretty billowing jersey.

1655
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:19,759
Speaker 1: Okay, so he likes it. Loose.

1656
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he had like a forearm wristband, not like

1657
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 3: not like a shooting sleep just like the terry cloth

1658
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 3: wristband MJ style. He looked like Eddie Robinson. People are

1659
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,600
Speaker 3: saying he's doing Allen Iverson impersonation. He looked literally like

1660
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 3: Eddie Robinson former Charlotte Hornet back.

1661
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: In the day great player Bowles made him take off

1662
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 1: his headband.

1663
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 3: It was never the same.

1664
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 2: M good stats.

1665
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,600
Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't know that about Eddie Robinson. I

1666
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 4: guess he's just going old school, like you said, with

1667
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 4: the uniform just a throwback. I mean, maybe he's trying

1668
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 4: to bring the off court fashion onto the court because

1669
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 4: off court fashion also going back. Everybody's doing it, so

1670
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 4: he's just saying, I want to be stylish. I guess

1671
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 4: I think Ball wants to play basketball again. And that's

1672
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 4: why he's wearing ankle braces for the first time. He's

1673
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 4: literally wearing ankle braces on the floor in preseason. He

1674
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 4: didn't wear that before. I'm sure he sees his brother

1675
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 4: getting healthy in Chicago. That guy had to fight through stuff.

1676
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 4: I got to do it here because when he did play,

1677
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 4: this team was good. A couple of years ago, easily

1678
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 4: a five hundred team when he made his All Star apparents.

1679
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 4: So I do believe that they can get back to

1680
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 4: that if he's on the floor.

1681
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: And now you have Brandon Miller.

1682
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 2: Of course, that guy was awesome last year.

1683
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 4: It kind of goes under the radar because Wemby and Chat,

1684
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:33,759
Speaker 4: but he was really really good from especially the mid range,

1685
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 4: really good percentages up to the three point line, and

1686
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 4: the damn good three point shot as well. He almost

1687
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 4: shot seven threes a game last season, and that was

1688
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 4: when he was the number one option that everybody, everybody

1689
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 4: going for him. Now, if Lamel was on the floor,

1690
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,480
Speaker 4: I think he can be really good.

1691
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 2: Be nice.

1692
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 4: We got to the line a little bit more. But

1693
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 4: I just do think there's enough.

1694
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 2: Guys around it.

1695
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 4: When you start talking about Treeman and Grant Williams and

1696
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 4: now Josh Green, who was a really good Dallas Maverick

1697
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 4: and your Hornet skies that you talk about at the

1698
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 4: center spot, you're Richards, You're Williams.

1699
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 2: Like, there's enough guys. There were Tod Gibson. They haven't

1700
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 2: done that in a long time.

1701
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 4: I don't think that I can't remember the last time

1702
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 4: that they brought a guy who's not gonna play all

1703
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 4: that much just to be a locker room, right, So

1704
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 4: maybe that helps to be what we got an over under.

1705
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 1: That's a thing very low. I'm going just under that

1706
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 1: they're going to be improved, especially of just LaMelo plays.

1707
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 1: But I don't see like, I don't see a playing

1708
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 1: team out of this squad, and you know, new coach

1709
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: Charles Lee and all that. So I'll just go under.

1710
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 4: What was your I'm going over, Okay, just over because

1711
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 4: they're good in LaMelo Ball's first two years. He's played

1712
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 4: four years in the league. Two are healthy, two or not,

1713
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 4: and so they were good in the in the healthy years.

1714
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: A few more teams left. Let's go to the Miami Heat.

1715
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: Forty four and a half is their lying. They were

1716
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 1: forty six and thirty six last year, finished eighth in

1717
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: the East. They lost to the Celtics ultimately in the

1718
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: first round. They couldn't overcome a combined what sixty two

1719
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: games missed from Jimmy Butler and Tyler Hero and they

1720
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: just scraped into the plane got in there. But they

1721
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 1: re signed bam Adebio, Thomas Bryant, Heywood high Smith, Kevin Love.

1722
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: They added Alec Books. That's really all they did. They drafted.

1723
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: Of course, some guys wear a number fifteen pick energetic

1724
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: seven footer who looked actually really solid in Vegas. He

1725
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: might get an opportunity there. They lost Caleb Martin, Patty Mills,

1726
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 1: or Landa Robinson, Jamal Kaine. So there's a team that

1727
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: really did not do a lot this offseason and maybe

1728
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 1: that's why the win lost total is dropped from what

1729
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: they actually finished with last year. Is it too low though?

1730
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 2: Forty four and a half, it's a big question.

1731
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 4: There seems to be a lot of chaos with the

1732
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 4: Miami Heat just what this team is going to be.

1733
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,440
Speaker 4: But I think Eric Spolstra thrives on chaos.

1734
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 2: That's what he digs into. He loves.

1735
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,560
Speaker 4: So it is a question of who is going to

1736
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 4: start for me even with this team. Eudonis Haslam, the

1737
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 4: Great e Donnas Haslam said on a podcast he said

1738
01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 4: Tyler Herroes not starting, but then pat Riley said that

1739
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 4: guy is starting, so him if he is better. If

1740
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 4: Tyler here is a motivated season after last season he

1741
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 4: shaved his head. Looks good him and Butler and Rosier

1742
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 4: as a second year for him, If Duncan Robinson cant

1743
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 4: paid it up.

1744
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 2: There's just so many questions, like last year versus this year?

1745
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 2: What is this?

1746
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 4: What is Hero? What is Hero's here? What is Duncan Robinson?

1747
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 4: I think Burks can win a couple games, So I

1748
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 4: do like this chaos sort of team for them.

1749
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 2: And they just have a lot of guys.

1750
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 4: When you start to look at this team, it is

1751
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 4: sort of like a Pacers team or like a Heat

1752
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 4: team that went to the finals. They can play ten

1753
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 4: twelve guys. Josh Richardson, Nikole Jovich, khalil Ware does look good,

1754
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:40,719
Speaker 4: Heyward Highsmith, Kevin Loves still a player.

1755
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 2: And it is Jimmy Butler's last year was contract. I'm

1756
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 2: buying it.

1757
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm buying contract here, Jimmy Butler.

1758
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think, Trey?

1759
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 3: That's why I'm in on the over contract here. Jimmy

1760
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 3: Butler came in with a business like haircut, same with Tyler.

1761
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 1: Hero.

1762
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 3: They are focused on this season and the Heat have

1763
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 3: actually been pretty solid the last three years. Forty six

1764
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 3: wins last year, forty four year prior, fifty three the

1765
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 3: year prior to that. But after the last season, pat

1766
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,719
Speaker 3: Riley basically said we can't keep trying to go into

1767
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,799
Speaker 3: the play in and then win our way through the playoffs.

1768
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 3: It just doesn't make sense. They have to be a

1769
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 3: better team this year. They've got pretty solid continuity. They

1770
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,640
Speaker 3: do have some depth, though, when you're listing guys like

1771
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 3: Alec Burks, Josh Richardson, Kevin Love, I was like, is

1772
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 3: this really death? That's not twenty sixteen anymore? And if

1773
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 3: it were, they'd probably be playing on the pistons and

1774
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:27,719
Speaker 3: a pretty solid team.

1775
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 1: But I like the look of this Heat team.

1776
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna try hard this season, and if

1777
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 3: that's the case, I think they can easily get to

1778
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 3: forty five wins.

1779
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a sense that they've been like past in

1780
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference right by all these other contenders, because

1781
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: they loaded up in the offseason, made these big trades

1782
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 1: and worked around the edges where the Heat sort of stood.

1783
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: Patent didn't do a whole lot. But they don't get included.

1784
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: It feels like Miami, and maybe rightfully so, I don't know,

1785
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: they don't get included in the second tier. Even right

1786
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: when you're talking calves, you're talking pacers, and you're talking magic,

1787
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 1: like you rarely see the Heat included with that bunch.

1788
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,639
Speaker 1: That means they're just a playing team. But I'm starting

1789
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 1: with you. I've like talked myself into this team. Like

1790
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: everybody's like, oh, I didn't do anything, it's gonna be bad.

1791
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure. I think this is exactly what

1792
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 1: Spolster likes. And yeah, if you get a focused and

1793
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: a healthy Jimmy Butler along with Hero and Bam as

1794
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 1: your number two guy, like, like you know, they have

1795
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: an identity too. They're a good defensive team. Like if

1796
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 1: Bam is playing, that's a top five defensive team. They

1797
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 1: generally is under Spolster and Bam. So it's just the offenses.

1798
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:28,679
Speaker 1: They're enough and you need Jimmy to make that click

1799
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 1: a little bit better. So I'm with you, guys. I

1800
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 1: like the over. It's really low, forty four and a half,

1801
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: quite low, very low, So I'm with you. Orlando Magic

1802
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 1: the other team there in Florida, forty seven and a half.

1803
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 1: They finished forty seven and thirty five last year, fifth

1804
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 1: in the East, lost to the Caves in a seven

1805
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: game series in the first round. They were Honestly, they're

1806
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 1: sort of like their heat when you think about it,

1807
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: really good defensive team not a great offensive team. Struggled

1808
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: there but again one forty seven games, got to the

1809
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,600
Speaker 1: playoffs for the first time since twenty twenty, played a

1810
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,799
Speaker 1: good series against the Caves, nearly got them, but about

1811
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: out the first round. They re signed the brothers the

1812
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 1: Wagner Bros. Goga, Gary Harris, Jonathan Isaac. They added KCP

1813
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 1: in free agency Corey Joseph as well. They drafted Tristan

1814
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 1: de Silva with the number eighteen pick. They lost Joe

1815
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: Ingles forty seven and a half. Is this team one

1816
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 1: win better than they were last year? Do you see

1817
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: the continued growth or will they stagnate a little bit

1818
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: or be worse? What do you think we shall see?

1819
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 3: This is one I'm prepared to be wrong on because

1820
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 3: I'm going under for the Magic here. I just think

1821
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 3: that when you have such a huge jump, it's not

1822
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 3: uncommon to take a tiny step back her backwards. Thirteen

1823
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 3: win jump last season, and prior to that it was

1824
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 3: like twelve wins that the Magic had jumped like. Over

1825
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 3: the course of two seasons, they've gotten what twenty five

1826
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 3: wins better, So even if they take a three win

1827
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 3: step back, they're still a lot better. Than they were

1828
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 3: CACP helps. He definitely improves their two guard spot, improves

1829
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 3: their bench since Gary Harris will likely be the guy there,

1830
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 3: But they still need a playmaker, and I don't know

1831
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 3: if given the off to Jalen Suggs as the starting

1832
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 3: point guard is necessarily going to work out this season

1833
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 3: for the Magic. I think in their long term development,

1834
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 3: having Suggs become a real playmaker and a real offensive

1835
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 3: player rather than just the three and D guide that

1836
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 3: would be great for the Magic. I just don't necessarily

1837
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 3: know that it will happen this season. He needs the

1838
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 3: reps to be able to do that. I just don't

1839
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,560
Speaker 3: really see how this team can be that good offensively.

1840
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,639
Speaker 3: I don't think adding KCP takes them from bottom five

1841
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 3: to top ten definitely now right, and that would be

1842
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 3: what needed to happen for them to challenge fifty wins.

1843
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 3: So I'm going barely under. I think they are about

1844
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 3: forty seven wins.

1845
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 1: Again.

1846
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, when we watched the team last year, we thought

1847
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 4: this and this team needs a ball Heyler. They need

1848
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 4: a guard out there, and KCP is definitely not that

1849
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 4: type of guy. He is going to run around pins

1850
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 4: and be really really good at shooting those threes coming

1851
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 4: off movement, he's gonna be good. That being said, I

1852
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 4: think it does help them enough offensively, I think a

1853
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 4: couple things. I think it helps Jalen Suggs a little

1854
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 4: bit more because he was the guy who took the

1855
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 4: best player on the other side of the floor every

1856
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 4: single time, and that hurt him as the game went on.

1857
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 2: He got tired.

1858
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 4: You can check his point splits first quarter to second quarter,

1859
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 4: third quarter to fourth quarter. He just went down each

1860
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 4: time he got out out of the locker room. He's good,

1861
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 4: second quarter bad, third quarter great, fourth quarter bad. He

1862
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 4: was tired. He had to do that. Now it's kcp's job.

1863
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 4: But also, I think Paul Bencaro is just going to

1864
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 4: get better, and I think that's what yeaheah. I think

1865
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 4: they're just going to rely on him more and smarter

1866
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:29,560
Speaker 4: instead of last year it was just be a stagnant

1867
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 4: sort of offense eighteen seconds in all right, Paul, we

1868
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 4: got nothing do it man, and so his efficiency numbers

1869
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 4: were down. But now I think if he becomes a

1870
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 4: little bit more of a screen setter, I think that

1871
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 4: they're going to get that involved. That's going to happen

1872
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 4: he's just going to be better, and the sporting players

1873
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 4: are going to be better. I know they've put a

1874
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 4: lot of sock into Ben Carro and Franz, and Franz

1875
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 4: hasn't been that guy quite yet.

1876
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 2: It's he's dropped off a little bit.

1877
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 4: You know, this is year three here, He's had a

1878
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 4: couple long summers, and I don't know if that's been

1879
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 4: the factor where they won the Golden twenty twenty three

1880
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 4: in the summer and then twenty twenty four he played

1881
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 4: in the Olympics as well. But I think just the

1882
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 4: KCP addition kind of helps, and some of the other

1883
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 4: guys are getting a little bit older, like Anthony Black

1884
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 4: should be a little bit better in a supporting role.

1885
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 4: And you know, because they let go of Folts, I.

1886
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:24,839
Speaker 2: Think they're banking.

1887
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 4: They're banking on what they have, and I think they're

1888
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 4: banking on Bankero being better. So I think all in all,

1889
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 4: I'm taking the over. It seems like a high number.

1890
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 4: I'm sure the betters are going under on a forty

1891
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 4: seven and a half. To me, it seems really seems

1892
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 4: a little high, just because I mean, there's so many

1893
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 4: Eastern Conference teams that are getting.

1894
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 2: Lots of pub you know, lots of love.

1895
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:45,759
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, and the Magic are one of those teams

1896
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 4: that are, first of all, that's a smaller market team,

1897
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 4: and so I think, yeah, they the forty seven and

1898
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 4: a half does seem a tiny bit high, but I

1899
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,560
Speaker 4: think when they put it all together, they're going to

1900
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 4: get at least forty eight wits.

1901
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 1: I like the over as well. I'm really excited about

1902
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 1: like Pallo even like leveling up, and he was awesome

1903
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 1: last year. He averaged basically twenty three, seven and five.

1904
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: I only see that going up, up, up. I'm a

1905
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: Palo believer. Friends average twenty points per game, and he

1906
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: couldn't hit a three pointer to save his life. You know,

1907
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 1: maybe there's a little bit bounced back to some normal

1908
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 1: normalcy shooting the rock from three, and that would get

1909
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 1: him up, you know, to twenty two to twenty three.

1910
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 1: That's huge. Suggs is already one of the best defensive

1911
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 1: guards in the league. Now you add KCP, you're right

1912
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 1: task you can sort of like, hey, on some possessions

1913
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 1: or on some nights whatever, you know, maybe give that

1914
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 1: role to KCP. Suggs will usually take the best perimeter

1915
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 1: player and as he should, but I like to help there.

1916
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 1: And then this team stunk at shooting threes. They were

1917
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 1: the worst, made the fewest amount of three pointers in

1918
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: the league last season, eleven three pointers made per game.

1919
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 1: That's it. KCP helps. He helps in that department to

1920
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 1: give you a couple more per game and stretch the

1921
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 1: floor a little bit without hurting your defense. And what

1922
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: I look at is like they have an established identity.

1923
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 1: They're a defensive minded team. Awesome, how can they improve offensively?

1924
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 1: I like asking a team to do that more than

1925
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 1: the flip of that a really good offensive team. Asking

1926
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 1: them to improve defensively, I think is much more difficult, yes,

1927
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,600
Speaker 1: in basketball and in the league. So I like the

1928
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 1: chances of them being a little more average offensively and

1929
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 1: keeping that like top three defense. So I'm in on

1930
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 1: the magic. I think they're gonna be flirting with that

1931
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 1: fifty win team fifty mark. Final team is the Wizards

1932
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 1: twenty and a half. They were fifteen and sixty seven

1933
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 1: last year. They were saying thank God for the Pistons

1934
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,720
Speaker 1: because nobody really talks about us, and everybody's focused on

1935
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 1: that twenty eight game losing streak. But they were one

1936
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: game better than Detroit finished fourteenth in the East, bad

1937
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:43,799
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball, very few encouraging signs

1938
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 1: even from their players. They re signed with Shaun Holmes

1939
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: and Anthony Gill. They added Sadik Bay, got some old

1940
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 1: guys and Malcolm Brogden and Jonas Dealinchunis by the way

1941
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 1: of trades, drafted Alex Sar with the number two pick,

1942
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 1: bub Carrington at fourteen, Kashawn George at number twenty four,

1943
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:05,640
Speaker 1: lost Avdya, lost Tyas Jones, lost Landry Shammitt twenty and

1944
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:07,639
Speaker 1: a half. Though one of the lowest lines we've talked

1945
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:08,600
Speaker 1: about here today.

1946
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 2: Sure is where do you go? I'm going under.

1947
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 4: I do think losing Danny Avdya Antias Jones is a

1948
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 4: factor because, yeah, you fill them in basically with Malcolm Brogden.

1949
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 4: And know, as much as I love Brogden, he hasn't

1950
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 4: been able to stay healthy and he really didn't help

1951
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 4: a Portland Trail Blazer team last year, and so I

1952
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 4: don't know if the veterans really help. Jordan Poole is

1953
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 4: really what they're banking on here, being that guy he

1954
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:36,639
Speaker 4: was in the second half of last year. He was better,

1955
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 4: He was better coming off the bench. The numbers are

1956
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 4: good twenty one and six, so he's going to score

1957
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 4: a lot. Kuzma is working on being a playmaker. I

1958
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 4: just don't think there's enough.

1959
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 2: At all.

1960
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:54,839
Speaker 4: That's the problem. You're relying on those two guys and

1961
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 4: hoping for somebody like a Balakoolabali or Alex Sarb being awesome.

1962
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 2: But I don't think that is the year. Don't think so.

1963
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the worst team in the league for me.

1964
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 3: Their starting lineup, at least in their first preseason game

1965
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 3: and seems reasonable for going forward into the regular season

1966
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:15,559
Speaker 3: was Pool Koolabali, Kuzma, Sar and Valentunis. Wouldn't be surprising

1967
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 3: if Valentunis and Kuzma are traded at some point this

1968
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 3: season and then the team gets even worse, because that's

1969
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 3: not a good starting five. That's like a bottom barrel

1970
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 3: starting five. But this is a team that needs a

1971
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 3: whole bunch more talent. They don't even have the first

1972
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:28,719
Speaker 3: guy there.

1973
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 1: Really.

1974
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,600
Speaker 3: Maybe it'll be Sar long term, but nobody's looking at

1975
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:34,640
Speaker 3: him as a court franchise cornerstone. Maybe they're able to

1976
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 3: get that draft guy in this upcoming draft, which means

1977
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 3: you need a good pick in the draft, which means

1978
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 3: you need a bad record, and this is just a

1979
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 3: bad team. They lost the two guys everybody likes on

1980
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 3: the team in Obdia, in Tyas Jones, everybody else is like,

1981
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 3: what do you want him on your team? Can he

1982
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 3: actually help you win? You know, Pool's got a championship,

1983
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:55,600
Speaker 3: Kuzma's got a championship. So if you're another team, you

1984
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 3: can talk yourself into it. But if they're your top

1985
01:27:58,000 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 3: two guys, task was just telling me how much better

1986
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 3: and Pool was in the second half of the season

1987
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 3: because he was coming off the bench, and the Weathers

1988
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 3: are going to start him because they basically have to

1989
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 3: start him. So yeah, not a great year for the Wizards.

1990
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 3: I have them as an under, but they want to

1991
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 3: be under. I think they want to win less than

1992
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 3: twenty games Exactly.

1993
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 1: In my notes, I said, will they trade Kuzma, Will

1994
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:20,639
Speaker 1: they trade JV? Will they trade Brockton to competitive teams?

1995
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: They should probably, and that means it'll be even worse. Yeah,

1996
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 1: twenty and a half is low, but low. You know,

1997
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:30,599
Speaker 1: we got them in the teams that sounds like again,

1998
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 1: ye as any of those teams, all right, So that's

1999
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 1: all fifteen Eastern Conference teams. Let's get some locks. Give

2000
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 1: us all three of your locks. We'll make it three.

2001
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 1: We'll keep track of these. What are the three bets

2002
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: you're most confident about tasks?

2003
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 4: My three and most confident bets are ones that you

2004
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 4: guys were not confident.

2005
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's probably the way to go, man.

2006
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 4: I'm taking the Milwaukee Bucks, says it over. I just

2007
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 4: buy into this team that started thirty and thirteen last year.

2008
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 4: People say they're old this year, Well, they're freaking old

2009
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 4: last year as well. That's a fifty seven win pace team.

2010
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 4: I don't expect them to win fifty seven wins. That's

2011
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 4: a lot. But Lillard proved last season that if you

2012
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 4: don't come in fit, your second half is going to

2013
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 4: be worse than your first half. And now he's fit,

2014
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 4: he's ready. I think this is to come back here

2015
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:18,680
Speaker 4: for Damian Lillard. Boombo is still one of the best

2016
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 4: players in the league. There ain't no question about that.

2017
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 4: He ain't old yet. And this team wasn't even all

2018
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 4: that good defensively last year. They're nineteenth, so it's not

2019
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 4: like they're awesome. I think they can get better on

2020
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 4: that end and I think they did decently well picking

2021
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 4: up guys like you're Gary Trent, who I think is

2022
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 4: kind of an underrated guy when you have enough talent

2023
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 4: around him and your touring princes and stuff. I'm taking

2024
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 4: the over on that one. Fifty wins ain't a lot

2025
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 4: for this team.

2026
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:48,599
Speaker 2: Okay, fine with that?

2027
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 4: Keep going, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys don't

2028
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 4: believe in the Charlotte Hearts. I believe in the Charlotte Hearts.

2029
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 4: I want to drive four hours from here and watch

2030
01:29:56,640 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 4: a game in that Bank of America arena called.

2031
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 1: Right, I have no clue is it called that.

2032
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 4: I thought so because it changed from you know, it

2033
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 4: was a fast food place.

2034
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 2: I thought so.

2035
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:12,679
Speaker 3: Spectrum Center. Spectrum Center, I mean according to Basketball Reference.

2036
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 3: But they could have they could have updated.

2037
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. I'm sending them some

2038
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 2: Zell money and I am going.

2039
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 1: You're thinking of the Carolina Carolina pants O the Panther.

2040
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 1: That's the Bank of America Stadium. Oh interesting, spectrum is

2041
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:25,920
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing as well.

2042
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 4: They used to the Hornet used to be a fast

2043
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 4: food place like Chiles.

2044
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 3: That was like a secondary arena that we went to.

2045
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, yeah, weird stuff.

2046
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:43,799
Speaker 4: I do think Lonzo Ball uh maybe influences bro to say, hey,

2047
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:46,560
Speaker 4: get back healthy, man, wear some ankle braces. For the

2048
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 4: first time, the Ball is going to be wearing ankle braces, and.

2049
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:52,680
Speaker 2: I think that's important. They were good before he got

2050
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 2: hurt and he was he was. They were like a.

2051
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:56,800
Speaker 4: Five hundred team when he's that talent. And when you

2052
01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 4: got a talented guy at your number one spot. With

2053
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 4: Brandon Miller again, I think he was overlooked last year

2054
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 4: and now the number two guy, they're going to be

2055
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 4: really good. I think Charles Lee will have some sort

2056
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 4: of effect on that locker room. Tajia Gibson will have

2057
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 4: some sort of effect on that locker room.

2058
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 3: It's weird to see him in a Horde it that's weird.

2059
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 4: So that okay that total, So Milwaukee over Charlotte over

2060
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 4: with nine and a half.

2061
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine.

2062
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:24,759
Speaker 4: I'm taking the Toronto Raptors five more wins than last season.

2063
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 1: That's it.

2064
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:27,679
Speaker 4: I think they're good enough for that because Scottie Barnes

2065
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 4: was out for so long in March and April, they

2066
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 4: probably get to that mark if Scottie Barnes is playing,

2067
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 4: because he's that good and he's a leader, and I

2068
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:38,639
Speaker 4: think quickly will be better this season.

2069
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think there's any dead about that.

2070
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 4: I think Argie Barrett has shown that he's grown. Bruce

2071
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 4: Brown at the end of last year he said he

2072
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 4: was playing on one leg the whole season. Basically he's

2073
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 4: got two now, so that'll help.

2074
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 1: So three overs this guy. Yes, it is that time

2075
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 1: of year, right, Oh yeah, we're all off, so every

2076
01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 1: line I could be like, oh yeah, I could see that,

2077
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 1: I could see over yeah, yeah, Okay, Trey, what are

2078
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:01,759
Speaker 1: your three locks?

2079
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 3: I got the Celtics over fifty eight and a half,

2080
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 3: best team in the league. They're basically running it back

2081
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 3: and they'll get healthier as the season goes on, though

2082
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:11,479
Speaker 3: maybe they could even hit this if Porzingis doesn't play.

2083
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 3: I also got the Heat over forty four and a half,

2084
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 3: like I said earlier, forty six, forty four and fifty

2085
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 3: three wins in their last three seasons, and it feels

2086
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 3: like pat Riley is setting the tone of we have

2087
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 3: to try this season. I like the Heat trying. And

2088
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 3: then my under lock is the Wizard's under twenty and

2089
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 3: a half. Okay, just doesn't make.

2090
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:32,759
Speaker 1: Senseing be one of the worst teams.

2091
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:33,880
Speaker 3: Okay, they would love it.

2092
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 1: My three locks, I'm gonna give you two unders in

2093
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 1: and over all. Right, I'm gonna be pessimistic. I'll give

2094
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 1: you one from each division. In the Atlantic Division, I'm

2095
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:43,599
Speaker 1: gonna go under fifty four and a half for the Knicks.

2096
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are going to be

2097
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:47,639
Speaker 1: pounding the over. I get it, they made big moves.

2098
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 1: I just think there's gonna be some growing pains. I

2099
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 1: still think they're gonna be really good. They'll probably even

2100
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 1: go further in the playoffs. This is regular season. I'll

2101
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 1: have them winning less than fifty five games for the

2102
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 1: Big Bunk Knicks Central Division try, I'm talking it into

2103
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 1: existence for you. I'm going under twenty seven and a

2104
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 1: half for the Chicago Bulls. I'm gonna do it. They're

2105
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 1: gonna pick a lane, we're gonna have some moves. We're

2106
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: gonna play the young guys. It's gonna maybe be entertaining,

2107
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 1: and they're still gonna lose a lot of games. So

2108
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 1: I'll go under twenty seven and a half for Chicago

2109
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:19,720
Speaker 1: and my one over. We just talked about them. I

2110
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:22,679
Speaker 1: like the Orlando Magic over forty seven and a half.

2111
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 1: I like that probably you know the fifty win mark

2112
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 1: forty nine to fifty win mark for Orlando. I like

2113
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:31,720
Speaker 1: them from that bunch of Cleveland, Indiana and Orlando to

2114
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 1: take like the maybe the most step sort of a

2115
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 1: couple games at least. So that's my over. Let's hear

2116
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 1: from you over under locks. Let us know in the

2117
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 1: stream team, let us know in the comments section of

2118
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 1: our YouTube show. Tweet at us at No Dunk's, Inc.

2119
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:51,439
Speaker 1: We're back on Wednesday for the Western Conference. We're gonna

2120
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 1: do this all over again for all fifteen teams. We'll

2121
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 1: go through the each one. We'll give you our locks.

2122
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 1: So join us on Wednesday at ten a m. Eastern.

2123
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,880
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2124
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Speaker 1: and Spotify, looking forward to breaking down the very difficult

2125
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 1: Western com How many overs will be said in that one?

2126
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 1: I wonder how many overs and unders we send this one.

2127
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 1: Somebody do the math for us. Go check it out,

2128
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:20,760
Speaker 1: but we'll be back on Wednesday for that. Like subscribe

2129
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,720
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2130
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:26,200
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2131
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2132
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Speaker 4: to us. I guess we all have to buy each

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Speaker 4: other China. I guess, oh I thought it was emerald Yeah, emeralds.

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01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 4: China traditional theme is China. The color is emeralds as

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Speaker 4: a stone or platinum as well.

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01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 1: Do you want what? Do you want? Plates? Or I

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Speaker 1: don't want like a saucer or something?

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01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 2: Who wants sausage? Does anybody want to saucer?

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Speaker 1: Saucers?

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01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 2: Saucer emeralds for everybody?

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Speaker 1: All right, race today, people,