1 00:00:30,319 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and 2 00:00:32,559 --> 00:00:35,119 Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the 3 00:00:35,119 --> 00:00:37,759 Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history. 4 00:00:37,799 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 2: Joined by the newth member of the Patriots Hall Fame, 5 00:00:39,679 --> 00:00:40,359 Speaker 2: Mike Raybold. 6 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:42,439 Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments 7 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight. 8 00:00:45,239 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian 9 00:00:47,918 --> 00:00:50,439 Speaker 2: coy Or joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, 10 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: but number one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison. 11 00:00:53,399 --> 00:00:55,999 Speaker 3: Good to be home. Good to see you guys. 12 00:00:55,759 --> 00:00:58,999 Speaker 1: Search for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast. 13 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 4: Rod thanks for joining us. Happy holidays. And I guess 14 00:01:04,679 --> 00:01:06,279 Speaker 4: I guess the place that I want to that I 15 00:01:06,359 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 4: would love to start with you today is where you 16 00:01:09,598 --> 00:01:13,159 Speaker 4: left off on yesterday's game or Saturday's game. Rather, you 17 00:01:13,239 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 4: said when you came out of that game, not a 18 00:01:15,559 --> 00:01:17,758 Speaker 4: whole lot of positives that you could take away from 19 00:01:17,799 --> 00:01:19,999 Speaker 4: the film. I know when you just met with the media, 20 00:01:20,079 --> 00:01:22,798 Speaker 4: you said, well, col Strange at Center seemed to be 21 00:01:22,839 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 4: a place that you could build from. Did you find 22 00:01:24,999 --> 00:01:27,719 Speaker 4: any other silver linings in that performance? 23 00:01:27,878 --> 00:01:32,798 Speaker 3: Well, why effort wasn't the problem. It was just, you know, 24 00:01:32,999 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 3: just execution across the board. And look, it all starts 25 00:01:36,679 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 3: with me, and I'm okay saying that, and we just 26 00:01:38,438 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 3: have to be better. 27 00:01:39,559 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 2: When when you talk about effort, there was I think 28 00:01:42,039 --> 00:01:48,159 Speaker 2: it was Daniel Listen, I told you them horrible with 29 00:01:48,239 --> 00:01:49,079 Speaker 2: last names, right. 30 00:01:50,239 --> 00:01:51,399 Speaker 4: Came in from his vacation. 31 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:54,199 Speaker 2: If it's not like if it's not like James Johnson 32 00:01:54,519 --> 00:01:57,719 Speaker 2: or Jefferson, I tend to kind of butcher them a 33 00:01:57,759 --> 00:01:59,719 Speaker 2: little bit. But he had said that he felt like 34 00:01:59,759 --> 00:02:02,359 Speaker 2: there was some guys that he might have saw some 35 00:02:02,479 --> 00:02:03,399 Speaker 2: quitting players. 36 00:02:04,119 --> 00:02:05,879 Speaker 3: Do you feel like you saw that in. 37 00:02:05,959 --> 00:02:08,798 Speaker 2: Any part of the game from watching the film afterwards, 38 00:02:09,079 --> 00:02:09,478 Speaker 2: I mean. 39 00:02:09,358 --> 00:02:11,078 Speaker 3: Look, there are a couple of field goal blocks that 40 00:02:11,478 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 3: you know, guys didn't get their hands up. But besides that, 41 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:15,439 Speaker 3: I felt like the effort was good, you know, And 42 00:02:15,478 --> 00:02:17,638 Speaker 3: it's hard. Look, it is hard, like you used to 43 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,559 Speaker 3: be a player. It's hard when you know the score 44 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,319 Speaker 3: kind of gets out of control like that to keep 45 00:02:21,399 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 3: pushing on. And I would say the majority, most of 46 00:02:24,199 --> 00:02:26,719 Speaker 3: if not all, of the guys were still going out 47 00:02:26,759 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 3: there trying to trying to make a play. 48 00:02:28,719 --> 00:02:31,198 Speaker 2: When when we talked early in the season. I think 49 00:02:31,239 --> 00:02:34,159 Speaker 2: one thing, you know, it's always about having confidence. As 50 00:02:34,199 --> 00:02:38,279 Speaker 2: a former player now turn coach, we all have that confidence. 51 00:02:38,719 --> 00:02:40,719 Speaker 2: You were confident that you guys would be able to 52 00:02:40,799 --> 00:02:44,199 Speaker 2: win more games than you were last year. If you 53 00:02:44,359 --> 00:02:47,879 Speaker 2: could now that you've been been able to see pretty 54 00:02:47,959 --> 00:02:50,759 Speaker 2: much the whole season except for one more game left, 55 00:02:51,119 --> 00:02:55,478 Speaker 2: what would you do differently that could affect that outcome. 56 00:02:55,279 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 3: In your mind? You know? For me, like, look, my 57 00:02:57,159 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 3: confidence is still high, and I feel like I'm look, 58 00:02:59,679 --> 00:03:02,559 Speaker 3: we're on a journey. We're on a journey, and that's 59 00:03:02,679 --> 00:03:04,238 Speaker 3: I mean, that's part of it. And so you're gonna 60 00:03:04,239 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 3: have to go through the fire. You're gonna have to 61 00:03:05,559 --> 00:03:07,038 Speaker 3: go through the booze, You're gonna have to go through 62 00:03:07,038 --> 00:03:08,559 Speaker 3: the criticism to get to where you want to go. 63 00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 3: Anything worth having is gonna I mean, look, it has 64 00:03:10,959 --> 00:03:12,599 Speaker 3: to be hard, and that's what it is right now. 65 00:03:12,999 --> 00:03:14,879 Speaker 4: So you mentioned that there were still guys in the 66 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 4: fourth quarter going out with a lot of fight. Drake 67 00:03:17,279 --> 00:03:20,199 Speaker 4: May appears to be somebody who just has that very naturally. 68 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,479 Speaker 4: Was there any conversation at all in the fourth quarter 69 00:03:23,959 --> 00:03:26,319 Speaker 4: when Justin Herbert is on the sidelines on the other 70 00:03:26,359 --> 00:03:29,439 Speaker 4: side about Hey, should Drake go back in at all 71 00:03:29,599 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 4: or was it just kind of a given at that point. 72 00:03:31,799 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 3: Look, Drake is a competitor. He said he was good, 73 00:03:34,119 --> 00:03:36,599 Speaker 3: he was cleared by the NFL, and he wanted to play. 74 00:03:37,639 --> 00:03:39,999 Speaker 2: When you look at this up and coming game, I 75 00:03:40,079 --> 00:03:43,519 Speaker 2: know that that you had mentioned that as far as 76 00:03:43,799 --> 00:03:47,679 Speaker 2: starting Drake may everything's still on the table. Do you 77 00:03:47,719 --> 00:03:50,759 Speaker 2: plan on starting him or is there When you say 78 00:03:51,439 --> 00:03:53,039 Speaker 2: there's a lot of things on the table, what do 79 00:03:53,039 --> 00:03:53,599 Speaker 2: you mean by that? 80 00:03:54,239 --> 00:03:55,639 Speaker 3: You already answered the question there are a lot of 81 00:03:55,639 --> 00:03:59,239 Speaker 3: things on the table, and look, it's what is it, Monday? 82 00:03:59,279 --> 00:04:01,159 Speaker 3: Plan on a Saturday. My day's kind of get messed up. 83 00:04:01,399 --> 00:04:04,239 Speaker 3: Today's Monday's Monday, so we have time to have those conversations. 84 00:04:04,639 --> 00:04:08,439 Speaker 4: What how I guess how many people, if you mind 85 00:04:08,439 --> 00:04:11,799 Speaker 4: sharing it all, are involved in those conversations about, Hey, 86 00:04:11,839 --> 00:04:14,399 Speaker 4: we're looking at Drake, We're looking at maybe somebody else 87 00:04:14,439 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 4: at the quarterback position and positions elsewhere besides just the quarterback. 88 00:04:18,318 --> 00:04:21,439 Speaker 3: We have multiple staff meetings every single day until those 89 00:04:21,438 --> 00:04:24,998 Speaker 3: conversations come up, and ultimately it's my decision. At the 90 00:04:24,999 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 3: same time those conversations happen every day. 91 00:04:26,799 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 4: Is there an emphasis in Sunday's game against the Bills 92 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,238 Speaker 4: to try to get more of a look at some 93 00:04:31,318 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 4: of the younger guys or some of the guys who 94 00:04:33,119 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 4: have gotten less play time throughout the season to see 95 00:04:35,799 --> 00:04:36,199 Speaker 4: what you have. 96 00:04:36,199 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 3: Going into the I mean it kind of goes back 97 00:04:37,959 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 3: to kind of what I said earlier, like everything's on 98 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:42,519 Speaker 3: the table, and guys want to go out there and play, 99 00:04:42,719 --> 00:04:44,119 Speaker 3: and guys need to go out there and play and 100 00:04:44,119 --> 00:04:46,119 Speaker 3: get better so you get better at playing football? Is 101 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:47,079 Speaker 3: playing football? 102 00:04:47,159 --> 00:04:47,319 Speaker 4: Right? 103 00:04:47,359 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 2: And I guess my thing would be, like Drake has 104 00:04:49,519 --> 00:04:52,438 Speaker 2: done a he's pretty He's done an amazing, amazing job 105 00:04:52,479 --> 00:04:55,118 Speaker 2: since he's been the starter. Is there a little bit 106 00:04:55,159 --> 00:04:59,119 Speaker 2: of concern because of the concussion to lead you to say, well, 107 00:04:59,919 --> 00:05:00,398 Speaker 2: we might? 108 00:05:00,919 --> 00:05:02,759 Speaker 3: It was never a he was clear. 109 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:04,999 Speaker 2: Clar okay, all right, So it was clear from the hit. 110 00:05:05,198 --> 00:05:08,519 Speaker 2: So is there is that maybe why you're saying that, okay, 111 00:05:08,719 --> 00:05:11,878 Speaker 2: maybe everything's on the table, Because when I think everything's 112 00:05:11,919 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 2: on the table, I'm thinking, well, is Drake not going 113 00:05:14,438 --> 00:05:16,878 Speaker 2: to potentially not stop on Sunday? 114 00:05:17,359 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 3: I mean that that could happen. That's what I'm saying, 115 00:05:19,479 --> 00:05:21,118 Speaker 3: Like everything is on the table. I'm saying, and is 116 00:05:21,159 --> 00:05:23,559 Speaker 3: that pop because of the hit that he took or 117 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 3: to do with that, It has everything to do with Look, 118 00:05:25,799 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 3: it's the last game of the season, and we have 119 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 3: to look forward, like going back to like it's a journey. 120 00:05:30,159 --> 00:05:32,999 Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's not just about one game. It is, 121 00:05:33,239 --> 00:05:35,319 Speaker 3: you know, trying to be president and win this football game. 122 00:05:35,359 --> 00:05:37,758 Speaker 3: But it's a journey, and we got to think, look 123 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:38,878 Speaker 3: out the front windshield where we. 124 00:05:38,919 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 4: Want to go the way that just from an outside perspective, 125 00:05:41,799 --> 00:05:44,558 Speaker 4: the way that Drake's head injury and the evaluations played 126 00:05:44,558 --> 00:05:46,998 Speaker 4: out in that game, we're a little unusual compared to 127 00:05:47,198 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 4: a lot of times when we see somebody go down 128 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,278 Speaker 4: to the locker room, we don't see them come back out. 129 00:05:51,318 --> 00:05:53,678 Speaker 4: And so you got a huge boost from the fans. 130 00:05:53,759 --> 00:05:56,718 Speaker 4: Drake comes back out on the field and everybody's very excited. 131 00:05:56,759 --> 00:05:58,559 Speaker 4: Of course he's going to be out there. 132 00:05:59,438 --> 00:06:01,239 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't sorry to cut you off. 133 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 3: I don't know what the numbers are or what percentage 134 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 3: of guys come out of the locker room. I've seen 135 00:06:05,678 --> 00:06:06,519 Speaker 3: that before though. 136 00:06:06,399 --> 00:06:09,319 Speaker 4: Oh no, I know, but I oftentimes it's it's you 137 00:06:09,359 --> 00:06:11,079 Speaker 4: see him go in the locker room and you go, oh, now, 138 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,278 Speaker 4: like that's kind of the inclination. Do you feel like, 139 00:06:15,759 --> 00:06:18,319 Speaker 4: then you see Drake take off on a run immediately 140 00:06:18,759 --> 00:06:21,319 Speaker 4: when he's on the field, do you feel like he's 141 00:06:21,359 --> 00:06:25,079 Speaker 4: at a point in his development where you're comfortable with 142 00:06:25,159 --> 00:06:27,678 Speaker 4: him being able to protect himself as a free runner. 143 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 3: He has gotten better. You know early in the season 144 00:06:30,159 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 3: he was taking a lot more hits. I would say 145 00:06:31,719 --> 00:06:33,439 Speaker 3: he has gotten better, and that's part of him just 146 00:06:33,479 --> 00:06:36,598 Speaker 3: developing and look he is, you know, the quarterback position 147 00:06:36,678 --> 00:06:38,398 Speaker 3: as a whole is the most important position on the 148 00:06:38,399 --> 00:06:41,838 Speaker 3: football field, and he'll continue to grow, continue to develop 149 00:06:41,879 --> 00:06:43,118 Speaker 3: and take less hits going forward. 150 00:06:43,198 --> 00:06:45,358 Speaker 4: I think it's something that a lot of fans because 151 00:06:45,359 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 4: they're so they know the value of a quarterback and 152 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,879 Speaker 4: they're so excited about a young quarterback. It's not just him, 153 00:06:50,879 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 4: it's you watch other rookies around the league who are 154 00:06:52,799 --> 00:06:56,958 Speaker 4: very mobile, and the fear of them getting hurt is real. 155 00:06:57,359 --> 00:07:00,118 Speaker 4: So do you think that there's further steps that Drake 156 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:03,639 Speaker 4: should take in the off season that the entire offensive 157 00:07:03,639 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 4: coaching staff can look at for him in terms of 158 00:07:07,159 --> 00:07:10,479 Speaker 4: not taking away that out of his toolbox, but making 159 00:07:10,559 --> 00:07:12,839 Speaker 4: him better at protecting himself from those hits. 160 00:07:12,879 --> 00:07:14,199 Speaker 3: Well, I would say that, you know, first of all, 161 00:07:14,239 --> 00:07:16,518 Speaker 3: we have five big guys up there who are responsible 162 00:07:16,559 --> 00:07:19,518 Speaker 3: for protecting a quarterback, you know, and then having the 163 00:07:19,559 --> 00:07:22,799 Speaker 3: ability to extend plays is always a risk of getting 164 00:07:22,839 --> 00:07:26,039 Speaker 3: hit once you get outside the pocket. But again, look, 165 00:07:26,039 --> 00:07:28,439 Speaker 3: he's a competitor and he's grown. He's still young, and 166 00:07:28,479 --> 00:07:30,279 Speaker 3: I think that's the most important thing for people. Or 167 00:07:30,319 --> 00:07:33,279 Speaker 3: remember he's still a very young player. He's still learning 168 00:07:33,439 --> 00:07:36,278 Speaker 3: a lot about football and professional football and how big 169 00:07:36,319 --> 00:07:38,038 Speaker 3: and how fast the other guys on the side on 170 00:07:38,078 --> 00:07:40,919 Speaker 3: the other side of the ball are. But but again 171 00:07:41,039 --> 00:07:43,879 Speaker 3: I would say at the point now versus earlier in 172 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:45,919 Speaker 3: this season, does a better job protecting himself. 173 00:07:45,999 --> 00:07:49,358 Speaker 2: There were some guys a key on White after the game, 174 00:07:49,399 --> 00:07:52,239 Speaker 2: and you know, I think Jonathan Jones might have said 175 00:07:52,239 --> 00:07:54,679 Speaker 2: it as well as just like there needs to be 176 00:07:54,759 --> 00:07:58,519 Speaker 2: some changes made. You know, generally from my perspectives as 177 00:07:58,519 --> 00:08:01,039 Speaker 2: a former player, when I think of like a guy 178 00:08:01,159 --> 00:08:04,079 Speaker 2: that a player says changes, I think that he might 179 00:08:04,119 --> 00:08:07,919 Speaker 2: be talking about where he feels he's being placed when 180 00:08:07,958 --> 00:08:11,199 Speaker 2: it comes to the coaches in a specific role, and 181 00:08:11,239 --> 00:08:13,359 Speaker 2: maybe he feels like maybe there might should be a 182 00:08:13,879 --> 00:08:15,519 Speaker 2: new DC, new d line coach. 183 00:08:15,599 --> 00:08:19,399 Speaker 3: Who the hell knows what that's That's not what he was. Well, 184 00:08:19,559 --> 00:08:21,999 Speaker 3: what's he mean by that? I've had I've had had 185 00:08:21,999 --> 00:08:24,039 Speaker 3: a conversation with him this morning. I had a conversation 186 00:08:24,078 --> 00:08:27,159 Speaker 3: after the first comment. Look again, it goes back, this 187 00:08:27,239 --> 00:08:30,079 Speaker 3: is a symptom of losing football games too, and you know, 188 00:08:30,199 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 3: as a competitor, you get frustrated. I will say this, 189 00:08:32,639 --> 00:08:34,999 Speaker 3: like he took some accountability to for you know, the 190 00:08:34,999 --> 00:08:38,239 Speaker 3: way that he's performed this year, and again, the expectation 191 00:08:38,439 --> 00:08:40,279 Speaker 3: is to get better going forward and it starts this 192 00:08:40,359 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 3: week against the Bills. 193 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:45,639 Speaker 2: Does he feel Probably no he doesn't, But did he 194 00:08:45,759 --> 00:08:49,479 Speaker 2: does he specifically talk about where he feels like he 195 00:08:49,519 --> 00:08:53,399 Speaker 2: could be more valued in his specific role in the defense. 196 00:08:53,799 --> 00:08:57,759 Speaker 3: The roles change all the time. Look, he started to 197 00:08:57,799 --> 00:08:59,519 Speaker 3: Seizon off hot and there was a law there. And 198 00:09:00,119 --> 00:09:02,159 Speaker 3: again it just goes back to him being frustrated with 199 00:09:02,199 --> 00:09:03,958 Speaker 3: this play and sometimes those things come out. It's a 200 00:09:04,039 --> 00:09:07,159 Speaker 3: human I mean, it's a human reaction to be frustrated, 201 00:09:07,159 --> 00:09:09,999 Speaker 3: and sometimes we all say things that we don't really mean. 202 00:09:10,799 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 4: Do you think that the comments that he made to 203 00:09:13,639 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 4: Karen Grigian in particular, were things that he didn't really 204 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:18,958 Speaker 4: mean in saying I'm just trying to get through these 205 00:09:19,319 --> 00:09:20,159 Speaker 4: I Look, when I. 206 00:09:20,079 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 3: Talked to him, he was like, look, that's not what 207 00:09:21,759 --> 00:09:23,039 Speaker 3: I meant, and we'll leave it at. 208 00:09:22,959 --> 00:09:25,838 Speaker 4: That, Okay. And do you think that any of the Look, 209 00:09:25,879 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 4: the frustration is obviously born out of losing, that's right. 210 00:09:28,599 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 4: If you're winning games, every happy, everybody's happy, it's dancing 211 00:09:32,239 --> 00:09:34,479 Speaker 4: in the locker room and it's a celebration. But do 212 00:09:34,519 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 4: you think that there's any extra level of frustration from 213 00:09:38,239 --> 00:09:42,958 Speaker 4: just having veteran guys having to be playing not necessarily 214 00:09:42,959 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 4: out of position, but maybe in a position that's or 215 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 4: a style that's more uncomfortable because of the need for 216 00:09:49,599 --> 00:09:50,479 Speaker 4: the team overall. 217 00:09:50,639 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the thing, Like, and these guys have 218 00:09:53,319 --> 00:09:55,799 Speaker 3: to all of us check our ego at the door, 219 00:09:55,799 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 3: and sometimes we have to play in positions that we 220 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:00,399 Speaker 3: just don't we may not feel comfortable with, but if 221 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:02,159 Speaker 3: it's better for the football team, and that's how I 222 00:10:02,159 --> 00:10:05,119 Speaker 3: think about it. Look, there are individuals and their individual men, 223 00:10:05,199 --> 00:10:08,039 Speaker 3: but I have to do what's best for the football team. 224 00:10:08,279 --> 00:10:10,599 Speaker 3: And you know that's what that's always been the goal, 225 00:10:10,599 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 3: and that would be the goal going forward? 226 00:10:12,399 --> 00:10:14,999 Speaker 2: How do you get players because, like you said, it 227 00:10:15,039 --> 00:10:17,759 Speaker 2: is frustrating when you're losing, But how do you get 228 00:10:17,999 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 2: them and yourself included to make sure that when we 229 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 2: say certain things, it's going to come across a certain 230 00:10:26,479 --> 00:10:30,479 Speaker 2: way because we're not telling the whole story. So so 231 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,879 Speaker 2: I guess maybe it's like, is that learning lessons for 232 00:10:34,359 --> 00:10:37,799 Speaker 2: you and this team heading into next year, Like when 233 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:40,039 Speaker 2: we start to say things out of frustration, we have 234 00:10:40,119 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 2: to be. 235 00:10:40,399 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 3: Careful once you say things out of frustration, and I 236 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 3: mean there's no there's no taking it back. So sorry, 237 00:10:50,119 --> 00:10:52,159 Speaker 3: And I do think it's important. Even a guy like Keyon, 238 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:55,039 Speaker 3: like he's another young guy, you know, he's been in 239 00:10:55,079 --> 00:10:57,479 Speaker 3: the league just a handful of years. Like he's a 240 00:10:57,479 --> 00:10:59,919 Speaker 3: young guy and he's learning on and off the field 241 00:10:59,959 --> 00:11:01,479 Speaker 3: and how things really affect the team. 242 00:11:01,519 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 4: How difficult do you think it is having some of 243 00:11:04,719 --> 00:11:09,799 Speaker 4: the more veterating guys, say like Juwan Bentley for example, 244 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:15,119 Speaker 4: be absent from the field in keeping the message consistent 245 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:16,399 Speaker 4: through the locker room. 246 00:11:16,719 --> 00:11:18,999 Speaker 3: Look, it's been a it's been a very difficult year 247 00:11:19,039 --> 00:11:21,879 Speaker 3: record or side. You know, we lost, uh, we lost 248 00:11:21,919 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 3: some good leaders as far as playing think about Bentley, 249 00:11:25,399 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 3: David Andrews, you know those guys, and it is tough 250 00:11:28,599 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 3: and at the same time, like our ex dictation has 251 00:11:30,719 --> 00:11:32,759 Speaker 3: to be next man up, be ready to go, and 252 00:11:32,799 --> 00:11:34,799 Speaker 3: be ready to go out there and perform, and we've 253 00:11:34,799 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 3: done that at times. And I think the biggest thing 254 00:11:37,599 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 3: for me is just the you know, we're just inconsistent. 255 00:11:40,599 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 3: You know, we go out there, we play against the Bills, 256 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,519 Speaker 3: we lose the game, I mean, but it was a 257 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,799 Speaker 3: hard fought game. And then you know, the Chargers are 258 00:11:46,839 --> 00:11:50,399 Speaker 3: a good football team. They came in there and whooped 259 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 3: our tails. And now it's look what we're gonna do 260 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 3: this upcoming weeks. The last opportunity we had to do anything. 261 00:11:55,999 --> 00:11:58,119 Speaker 2: I know, you get to sit down and you told 262 00:11:58,239 --> 00:12:00,119 Speaker 2: us that you get to sit down with Robert and 263 00:12:00,199 --> 00:12:03,479 Speaker 2: I don't know if Jonathan's in on those meetings every week, 264 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:07,599 Speaker 2: but has there been any conversation because there's so much 265 00:12:07,639 --> 00:12:12,159 Speaker 2: speculation going on and about whether or not you'll be 266 00:12:12,239 --> 00:12:16,159 Speaker 2: coming back, returning, like do you sit in those meetings 267 00:12:16,199 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 2: and has some of that been told to you on 268 00:12:19,279 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 2: what because I know you prepare for a game, but 269 00:12:21,439 --> 00:12:24,078 Speaker 2: you also still got to be preparing for Okay, what 270 00:12:24,199 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 2: my future holes. Has there been any conversations from the 271 00:12:26,959 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 2: craft so on, like where they see you in this 272 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:31,799 Speaker 2: team moving forward? 273 00:12:31,839 --> 00:12:35,799 Speaker 3: I'm in constant communication with ownership. We have good conversations, 274 00:12:35,839 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 3: we have hard conversations, but that's just part of our relationship. 275 00:12:38,479 --> 00:12:41,399 Speaker 3: And again, like their expectation is that we get we 276 00:12:41,439 --> 00:12:42,999 Speaker 3: need to win football games and that's what we have 277 00:12:43,079 --> 00:12:43,239 Speaker 3: to do. 278 00:12:43,719 --> 00:12:46,999 Speaker 4: Obviously, the focus is on the Bills game Sunday, but 279 00:12:47,039 --> 00:12:52,599 Speaker 4: there is overarching considerations such as the draft position. Is 280 00:12:52,599 --> 00:12:55,159 Speaker 4: that something that you speak with ownership about or is 281 00:12:55,159 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 4: it something that's even in consideration going into game planning. 282 00:12:57,879 --> 00:13:00,519 Speaker 3: Look, I would keep all you know, all those conversations 283 00:13:00,599 --> 00:13:03,799 Speaker 3: I have ownership private, and again, like they're all about 284 00:13:03,799 --> 00:13:06,599 Speaker 3: winning football games. So that's my job. We'll get the 285 00:13:06,639 --> 00:13:07,599 Speaker 3: guys out there ready to go. 286 00:13:08,359 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 2: So moving forward, obviously there was the I don't know 287 00:13:12,119 --> 00:13:16,799 Speaker 2: whether you call a miscommunication between Remandre and Antonio Gibson. 288 00:13:17,039 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 2: What's your expectations moving forward? It seemed like Antonio Gibson 289 00:13:21,239 --> 00:13:24,119 Speaker 2: got the bulk of the carries. H Ramandre's had some 290 00:13:24,239 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 2: issues where he's fumbled the ball even though he did start. 291 00:13:27,599 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 2: Is this something that moving forward that he's gonna have 292 00:13:30,399 --> 00:13:32,999 Speaker 2: to continue to prove if he wants to get more 293 00:13:32,999 --> 00:13:35,479 Speaker 2: playing time, or or you guys made the decision that 294 00:13:35,759 --> 00:13:38,159 Speaker 2: maybe you're leaning more towards going with Gibson from here, or. 295 00:13:38,399 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 3: I would say, you know, for this game, all things 296 00:13:40,199 --> 00:13:43,479 Speaker 3: are still under consideration, and you know, we'll know as 297 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 3: the week goes on. 298 00:13:45,159 --> 00:13:48,359 Speaker 4: All right, let's get to our Helman's Mayo question of 299 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:51,279 Speaker 4: the week. You can purchase Helman's at your local Walmart 300 00:13:51,319 --> 00:13:54,239 Speaker 4: or grocery store to add extra deliciousness and creamy flavor 301 00:13:54,279 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 4: to your game day dishes this football season. So you 302 00:13:57,519 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 4: spoke after the game, and you just reiterated this feeling 303 00:14:00,919 --> 00:14:03,519 Speaker 4: of an inconsistency with the team. When we you do 304 00:14:03,599 --> 00:14:05,999 Speaker 4: things well, the next week, it seems like there's another 305 00:14:05,999 --> 00:14:09,919 Speaker 4: crop of problems or some things are better. What is 306 00:14:09,999 --> 00:14:12,119 Speaker 4: one thing that you've been able to find that this 307 00:14:12,159 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 4: team does consistently that you would like to take into 308 00:14:15,199 --> 00:14:16,999 Speaker 4: the off season and into next season. 309 00:14:17,079 --> 00:14:20,159 Speaker 3: I would just say, you know, the overall just mental toughness. 310 00:14:20,599 --> 00:14:23,119 Speaker 3: The guys. Look, it hasn't been easy. We've won a 311 00:14:23,159 --> 00:14:25,599 Speaker 3: few games. The guys are frustrated, but at the same time, 312 00:14:25,639 --> 00:14:27,279 Speaker 3: come in every single day ready to work, and I 313 00:14:27,279 --> 00:14:28,999 Speaker 3: think that's a huge piece of the puzzle and stay 314 00:14:28,999 --> 00:14:32,159 Speaker 3: in even you know, amongst all the noise. And again, 315 00:14:32,279 --> 00:14:33,759 Speaker 3: you know, going back to Drake, that's one of his 316 00:14:33,799 --> 00:14:36,439 Speaker 3: stunts is ignoring a noise and just wanting to do 317 00:14:36,479 --> 00:14:37,959 Speaker 3: what's best for the football team. And we have a 318 00:14:37,999 --> 00:14:39,719 Speaker 3: lot of guys like that on the team. 319 00:14:40,159 --> 00:14:42,439 Speaker 2: Well, I will say this them, Jordan Fores was clean. 320 00:14:42,999 --> 00:14:46,239 Speaker 2: Them joints was white, crispy clean. So I mean, even 321 00:14:46,279 --> 00:14:50,679 Speaker 2: though the outcome wasn't what you wanted them, Jordan's was clean, 322 00:14:51,119 --> 00:14:51,519 Speaker 2: all right. 323 00:14:51,599 --> 00:14:54,639 Speaker 4: Trive Mao, Head coach of the New England Patriots. 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But where the Patriots are concerned, 333 00:15:19,119 --> 00:15:21,439 Speaker 1: let's just get one thing done, and let's get it 334 00:15:21,479 --> 00:15:22,999 Speaker 1: done right, and then. 335 00:15:22,879 --> 00:15:24,399 Speaker 3: We can worry about versatility. 336 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:26,839 Speaker 1: Am I lying to anybody here. Let's just get one 337 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:27,399 Speaker 1: thing done. 338 00:15:27,479 --> 00:15:30,039 Speaker 4: Let's get one thing done right, and then we can 339 00:15:30,239 --> 00:15:30,719 Speaker 4: move along. 340 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:32,239 Speaker 3: That's kind of my biggest thing. 341 00:15:32,319 --> 00:15:34,919 Speaker 1: Search Patriots Playbook anywhere you get your podcasts.