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Speaker 1: Verybody? Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast from the Action

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Speaker 1: your host, Chris Raybon, and this is part two of

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Speaker 1: our Fantasy running Backs for twenty twenty five. As always,

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Speaker 1: I am joined by one of the top rankers in

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Speaker 1: season winning awards for the odds maker, Sean Kerner. Sean,

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Speaker 1: what's going on?

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Speaker 2: What's up? Today?

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Speaker 3: We get to venture along and discuss the frozen pond.

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Speaker 3: So I hope you brought the appropriate shoes for this,

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Speaker 3: So I guess it'd be skates whatever you think, but

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Speaker 3: ready to dive in?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what would you? You wouldn't want

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Speaker 1: anything too heavy, because you wouldn't want to just anything

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Speaker 1: to weigh you down, because I feel like you're going

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Speaker 1: under at some point You're gonna have to swing your

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Speaker 3: It would have to be skates. Wouldn't skates help like

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Speaker 3: the weight distribution. You can get it cross it faster,

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Speaker 3: you know, if you're skating.

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Speaker 2: Oh maybe we should.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I just I thought you had. I

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's not definitely like Schuba Hubbard could

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Speaker 3: be an RB one again this yere, let's not get

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Speaker 1: True, true, Yeah, And that's definitely the type of backs

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Speaker 1: thirteen and Yahoo projections goes around the same in ADP

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Speaker 1: James Cook for the Buffalo Bills, Sean, how much floor

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Speaker 1: risk do you see? The first of all touchdown regression

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Speaker 1: for Cook? He had eighteen and sixteen games last year.

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Speaker 1: And then also he's a guy that doesn't necessarily play

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Speaker 1: forty last year two catches per game. Uh, Like, where

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Speaker 1: what are we talking about with the floor for Cook

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he's definitely a tricky projection because he is,

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Speaker 3: you know, coming off a career. He had eighteen total

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Speaker 3: I have him scoring ten touchdowns, so eight fewer this year,

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Speaker 3: but that's still a lot because this is still an

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Speaker 3: the Bills are projected to score the most points this year,

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Speaker 3: So lead the league in points doesn't mean they will,

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Speaker 3: So I think we're gonna see you know, a ton

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he is my RBI thirteen, but I'm not really

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Speaker 1: So he's if he gets this contract, which it seems

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Speaker 1: With Cook the next guy here, I think he's a

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Speaker 1: lot more concerning Kenneth Walker AREB fourteen in Yahoo ranks.

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Speaker 1: Are you concerned about, first of all, just general change

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So with going back to James Cook, when I'm

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Speaker 3: you know, any moment it could collapse. With Kenneth Walker,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, mat no, yeah, oh no, yeah, that would be horrible.

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Speaker 3: So you know, he's he's his outside zone runs at

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Speaker 3: but that's that's concerned anytime you have a new regime.

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Speaker 3: But I think, you know, anytime Walker has been healthy,

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Speaker 3: he's been excellent. You know, last year he was RB

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Speaker 3: fourteen in points per game. So just you nailed it.

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Speaker 3: The concern with Walker is just his injury history. And

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want I don't want to anything do

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Speaker 1: was was goodwash year at that left tackle position, but

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Speaker 1: you still have a lot of question marks outside of him.

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Speaker 1: And this is again a new offense. You're running a

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Speaker 2: He would be my RB nine.

434
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 3: So it seems like ADP is just kind of banking

435
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 3: on nause not being a factor.

436
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 2: And honestly, I have no idea what's going on with nause.

437
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 3: He's walker around in sunglasses, he got in a walk

438
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 3: the other day with like a weighted vest. I have

439
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 3: no clue what's going on with nause. But I think

440
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: Hampton's ADP might be at a tipping point here where

441
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 3: it's it's almost closer to his ceiling. So I haven't

442
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 3: been getting him much here, but I think people are

443
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 3: going to be disappointed how much nause is kind of

444
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: a thorn in his side, because they you know they

445
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: didn't bring Nause in to just be a handcuff. I

446
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 3: think he will mix in if healthy. And we actually

447
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 3: got to see a glimpse of Hampton in the Hall.

448
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 2: Of Fame game.

449
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 3: He made one excellent run. I think it was like

450
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 3: an eight yard run, and then after that it looked

451
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 3: like he had the edge potentially score a touchdown and

452
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 3: he cut it outside and he got clipped by Rakisin

453
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: and I don't think he gained the yard and there

454
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 3: was not It was kind of a rookie mistake there.

455
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 3: I just think he's not as polished as people think.

456
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: He has a wider range of outcome then people think, and

457
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 3: right now he's just being drafted closer to his ceiling

458
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,239
Speaker 3: at RB twelve. So again, I think at the end

459
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 3: of the day, his value will depend on Nause's you

460
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 3: know status head in a week one and we don't

461
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 3: really know, We don't have much clarity there to really

462
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 3: understand that. But again, if Nase's in, I have him

463
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 3: around RB eighteen. If Nag's out, have him around RB nine.

464
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 3: So significant range of outcomes there.

465
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's going a little too high if

466
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: you look at I mean, obviously the Chargers want to

467
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: run the ball, and they felt addressed and the position

468
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: was important. But you look at how they began last

469
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: season and that could give us some clues where it

470
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: was close to a fifty to fifty split between Gus

471
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: Edwards and JK. Dobbins, and then Dobbins eventually played himself

472
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: into more of a clear cut like featured role and

473
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: Edwards was more backup. But even then, you know Dobbins

474
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: was really surviving on he was efficient there, and you

475
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: don't like to see things like like you mentioned with Hampton.

476
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: He might have to mack his efficiency more than we think,

477
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: depending on when Harris comes back, because I think they

478
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: kind of envisioned that same kind of situation this year

479
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: where it's more like a sixty forty and we just

480
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: don't know exactly, you know, when that sixty and when

481
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: that forty is gonna come. We don't know if Hampton

482
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: can be what JK. Dobbins was for the Chargers last year.

483
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: Yet you know, got obviously a lot of talent, but

484
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: remember Greg Roman offense, this is those are his guys, Edwards, Dobbins,

485
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: Hampton's a rookie, Nagie Harris is from another team. So

486
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: like we don't know exactly how this all is going

487
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: to shake out. And even last year when Gus Edwards

488
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: was out, they started playing. I mean he started seeing

489
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: Kimani v Dah and Hassan Hoskins getting looks in the batfield.

490
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: So I do think there's gonna be a split no

491
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: matter what. So I'd actually have Hampton a little bit

492
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: more static than you probably even have them if now

493
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: she continues to miss, because it sounds like they're really

494
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 1: putting a lot of weight in this uh in this

495
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: RB two or three, whatever you want to call it competition.

496
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: I know every we've been to a few real those

497
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: preseason games, it gets pretty gets pretty crazy Beteam, you

498
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: know Jared Patterson and those guys, So right, yeah, no,

499
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: we we joke. But that's one of those things where

500
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: you get into the season and you're expecting like this,

501
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: you know, Jamar Jamir gives if monkey's out type of

502
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: WordWorld for Hampton and then he's still just in this

503
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: fifteen touch range, you're gonna be able to disappointed. So

504
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of how I expect it to start out,

505
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: especially if he's not making the right reads on his runs,

506
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: because that's just that. There's also the situation of the

507
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: Chargers were able to run the ball a lot last year.

508
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: Their schedule was, I mean a joke most of the year.

509
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: This year it's gonna be a little more difficult, little

510
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: more so. Yeah, just just again another guy. Don't really

511
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: have him to uh, don't really have him ranked two

512
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: differently from here, But I'm not not not buying on

513
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: this ADP rise. I think I think it should be

514
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: static from everything we've seen the Chargers just they were

515
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: addressing running back like just as much as taking a

516
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: running back in round one. Signing Najie Harris has to

517
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: be looked at as we're just addressing the running back

518
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: position like that's I don't think it's like, oh man,

519
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: they took a first round. It's not like a gent

520
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: situation where it's like we're gonna or we're gonna use

521
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: him like balls to the wall. So yeah, I'm not

522
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: not super bullish on on Hampton at a rising ADP.

523
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: Alvacabara This is interesting one from he just turned thirty

524
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: twenty one point one touches per game last year eighteen

525
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 1: plus each of the last seven. Seems like he scares

526
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: people a lot, a lot more than some of the

527
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: other like older running backs who are technically a lot

528
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: riskier just because of where they go in drafts. Where

529
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: are you on Kamara this year?

530
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

531
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 3: I really view like Alvin Kamara and James Connor as

532
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 3: not really frozen pond type guys. You know, the markets

533
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,239
Speaker 3: down on them, and rightfully so because they are on

534
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: the wrong side of thirty. But that's not really a

535
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 3: reason to be down on guys. I think both these

536
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 3: guys offer, you know, a higher floor than these other backs.

537
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 3: I think people are just drawn to shiny new objects. Yeah, Hampton,

538
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: you know, they're just shooting for upside, which there is

539
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: a part in the draft to do that, and I

540
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: think it's later on at running backs. So I think Kamara,

541
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: I know you love him, and I think, yeah, he's

542
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: a stable option in this range because people don't like

543
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: him because a he's you know, thirty, he hasn't really

544
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: slowed down much, and he relies a ton on you know,

545
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: past catching usage, and I think he'll be more than

546
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 3: capable of handing that in his thirties. And people don't

547
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 3: like him because the Saints are going to suck this year,

548
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: and you know, while that might be true. That also

549
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: does feed into what he does well, which is catching

550
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: the ball, so more you know, trailing game scripts will

551
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: actually help him out. So he's a guy that I

552
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: don't really have concerns. I'm not like super high on him,

553
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 3: but where he's going in drafts, if I do need

554
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 3: a safer running back because again, you know, I took

555
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 3: a running back early. I've been hamming receiver and I

556
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 3: just want like a stable option.

557
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: I'll take a.

558
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 3: Kamara or a James Conner and then I'll you know,

559
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: stash some high upside backup running backs. But I think

560
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 3: Kamara is a safer bet than people realize. You know,

561
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: just because he's thirty doesn't mean he's washed or anything.

562
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 3: You know, his efficiency will you know, likely continue to decline,

563
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: but you know the usage will be there, and especially

564
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: the passing statues is what we want when it comes

565
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: to Kamara.

566
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: Anyway.

567
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think people just have a bad taste in

568
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: their mouths because of the Saints last year and just

569
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: you know, Dennis Allen. But it's like a whole new

570
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: regime and it's an offensive head coach, which I think

571
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: is important. And Kellen Moore, who like Kamara, could be

572
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: his Saquon Barkley this year because the quarterback situation is

573
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: not going to be good. But when Jalen Hurts was

574
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: struggling last year, what did they do? They went super,

575
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: super run heavy. There's a potential for that to happen

576
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: this year. Even if they're a bad team. There's a potential,

577
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: like you said, for them to be so bad that

578
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: all it really does is help Kamara catch a hundred balls,

579
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: and he Kamara probably has more receiving upside than almost

580
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: any running back in the league, especially if you look

581
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: at his career numbers, it's targets per route. So yeah,

582
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: I'm very high in Kamara. I wouldn't mind honestly taking him.

583
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: You know who's the My ORB twelve is Jacob that's

584
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: a little lower than some, but essentially I would I

585
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: don't mind taking Kamara is the first running back of

586
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: this tier. Like, if you want to take Alum Kamara

587
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: over James Cook, you my guess, because I think I

588
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: just think it is that, like you said, that shiny

589
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: new toy, and it's he's an easy like if you're

590
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: just trying to okay, who's gonna bust candidates this year,

591
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: it's easy to just you know, the thirty year old

592
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: guy on the bad offense. But if you kind of

593
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: look a little deeper, it's like all that's baked into

594
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: the ADP year. He's been very consistent. He hasn't missed

595
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: many he's missed games, but not like a catastrophic amount

596
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: of games ever. But he doesn't have a crazy amount

597
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: of wear considering his age. He's still very smooth and

598
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: a lot of what he's gonna be asked to do

599
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: is gonna be in the receiving game. And there's also

600
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: the upside for him to get that Barkley like usage

601
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: to wear. You know, no Taysom Hill to vulture any

602
00:33:53,920 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: potential scoring opportunities. Uh though, Jamal Williams, I mean, there's

603
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: the depth chart is pretty sparse behind Camara right now.

604
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: So Kevin Moore didn't just come over to New Orleans

605
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: to go like one in sixteen and like not even

606
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: not even get like a puncher's chance. So I think

607
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna I think Kamara is gonna be his at

608
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: least in theory, like he's gonna try to be his

609
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley. Like that's that would just make the most sense.

610
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: That's what that's what I would do if it was

611
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: my if it was my first time being a head coach,

612
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: and I was looking at my quarterbacks and I saw

613
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: Rattler and Shock and then Hater, and then I was like, Oh,

614
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: this Camara guy, no matter what happens, that we could

615
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: get the boa to him twice a series at least,

616
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: you know, if not not all three times. So yeah,

617
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: I think Kamara is gonna Now maybe the age decreases

618
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: the chances of him holding up a little bit, but uh,

619
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: to everything we've seen, he hasn't. You know, He's been

620
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,720
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621
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641
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Speaker 1: Touba Hobbard, Kenneth Walker, Omarion Hampton, and Alvin Kamara. Out

642
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Speaker 1: of those running backs, who are you seeing the most

643
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644
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Speaker 3: Or is it somebody outside that range? Yeah, the answer

645
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,600
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646
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Speaker 3: think James Connor is someone we haven't talked about that

647
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Speaker 3: I would draft in that range. Luckily I don't have

648
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Speaker 3: to because he does fought side of that. But you know,

649
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Speaker 3: James Connor is a dependable back who, whenever he's healthy,

650
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Speaker 3: produces last year he was fourteenth in points per game,

651
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Speaker 3: and I think the knock on him is, yeah, he's

652
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Speaker 3: thirty years old, and yeah he's missed a handful of

653
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: games pretty much every season. But last year was the

654
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 3: healthiest he's ever been. It's first time he played sixteen

655
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Speaker 3: plus games. He said a career high and touches with

656
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 3: two hundred and eighty three. So I think all the

657
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 3: knocks on Connor just aren't there. I'm not seeing it.

658
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Speaker 3: So I think in this range, I kind of want

659
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Speaker 3: a dependable, high floor back. I'm not shooting for the moon,

660
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 3: and James Connor fits the bill. So I think you'll

661
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 3: gladly scoop him with everybody passing up on him and

662
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: take him around the RB twenty range. And I know

663
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Speaker 3: what I'm going to get from him. So I'm gonna

664
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Speaker 3: go to James Connor here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going with Kamara and kind of a similar

666
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: guy age wise. People maybe a little bit down in him.

667
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: And the one thing I think he has even above

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Speaker 1: a Connor is when you look at that depth truck,

669
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Speaker 1: there's really nobody else whereas even Connor has, you know,

670
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Speaker 1: potentially some competition from an up and comer in Benson.

671
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case with Kamara. I think

672
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: a new coach will lean on him heavily, and I

673
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: think he's still pretty good and catching passes is what

674
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: you need to do on a bad team, So I

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Speaker 1: nineteen and Yahoo's ranks James Connor, break him down, Sean.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Red Devil, James Connor RB nineteen. Love him here.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's definitely had his career here already, we

700
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Speaker 3: know that, but you know, he still continues to produce

701
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Speaker 3: and very efficient this late in his career. Last year

702
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Speaker 3: he was fourteenth in points per game, not really showing

703
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Speaker 3: signs of slowing down either heading into his age thirty season. Yes,

704
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 3: Trey Benson could factor in more this year, but I've

705
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: heard them say that the plan is for this year,

706
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Speaker 3: you know, more of the same as last year, where

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Speaker 3: James Connor is the guy. Benson will mix in, of course,

708
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Speaker 3: but Connor's going to get those key touches in the

709
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Speaker 3: you know, red zone, the goal in touches, So I

710
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Speaker 3: think we can bank on Connor for at least one

711
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Speaker 3: more season. And the knock on Connor and why his

712
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: ADP probably is always lower every year, it seems like,

713
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 3: is the fact that he does tend to miss a

714
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Speaker 3: few games a season, and I've always said that's kind

715
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 3: of overblown because we always talk about the medium projection

716
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 3: for miss games for running back is two to three.

717
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Speaker 2: He just does it.

718
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: Every single year, so at least he's consistent hitting his

719
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: median and last year he played a season high sixteen games,

720
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 3: so if anything, you know, he's less injury risk than

721
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 3: ever at this point in his career. So I just

722
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 3: think he's a solid pick in this range. Again, I

723
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 3: think when we're going over the frozen pond, we're just

724
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 3: trying to avoid disaster anything.

725
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Speaker 2: We just want high floor plays.

726
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Speaker 3: So that's why I love your Kamara take, and I

727
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 3: think Connor's similar to that, where we kind of know

728
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Speaker 3: what we're gonna get with him if he's healthy, and

729
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 3: that's what I like targeting in this range. And then

730
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Speaker 3: later in the draft, I'm gonna take some flyers to

731
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Speaker 3: land it, you know, potential Bucky Irving type. But I

732
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Speaker 3: think in this range, going the safe up with Connor

733
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Speaker 3: makes sense to kind of start filling out your running

734
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Speaker 3: back depth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about some of those rookies in a moment.

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Speaker 1: But RB twenty David Montgomery, he's a bit polarizing. I

737
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Speaker 1: think RB twenty is a bit high for him. He's

738
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: twenty eight now reporting we clear either one B now,

739
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 1: which is a change from the first two years splitting

740
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: work with Gibbs. I don't think he can repeat in

741
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: the receiving game. I think they're gonna funnel more Gibbs.

742
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: I think they are going to feature Jamison Williams more

743
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: and sounds like they're really high on see only Vaki

744
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: know if that's just kind of the preseason hype. But

745
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: he's another guy he could factor in more so in

746
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: the past game, you would think. So, then you got

747
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: the OYE and the potential game script issues. So I'm

748
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: lower on Montgomery than consensus. Where are you on Monty

749
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: in his age twenty eight season? Yeah, you know me.

750
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Speaker 3: I mean we've debated this a few times now, you

751
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 3: know me With Monty, I love him in my Upside

752
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 3: ratings chart. He is literally the poster child for what

753
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 3: I seek out. And I just did the Lions last

754
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: night for the chart and My projector from Montgomery when

755
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 3: Gibbs is healthy is pretty low. It's you know, RB

756
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: twenty five, which is right around where he's going. I

757
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: wouldn't take him at RB twenty because of that, but

758
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 3: RB twenty five, I think that makes sense because that's

759
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 3: kind of his floor. This year, at least to start

760
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: for me, is around the RB twenty five range. But

761
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 3: if Gibbs does miss time, I do have him pushing

762
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 3: top ten value. And last year, you know, we didn't

763
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 3: see Gibbs miss a single game, so Monty didn't get

764
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 3: to tap into that hidden upside. And you know, for

765
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 3: what it's worth, Gibbs was healthy all season and Montgomery

766
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 3: averaged the thirteenth most points per game. So I'm factoring

767
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 3: quite a bit of a russion for this offense. Again,

768
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 3: I have them projected to score seven and a half

769
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 3: fewer points than last year, so that takes away from

770
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: their touching upside, and specifically Montgomery because that's kind of

771
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 3: what he banks on. And again, we don't know what

772
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 3: the new offensive coordinator is going to do. He might

773
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 3: opt to play Gibbs even more. I wouldn't blame him either,

774
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 3: And still I'm kind of getting Montgomery at costs at

775
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: ADP and just when it comes to these backup running backs,

776
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: you just have to factor in their upside. If the

777
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 3: starter misses time with Montgomery, the upside is undeniable. So

778
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 3: I think, you know, at worst, he could still return

779
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 3: value in this RB twenty five range if Gibbs stays healthy.

780
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 3: I just love taking those kind backs where there's massive

781
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 3: upside built in as well. So definitely, you know, would

782
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: stay away. Around RB twenty I think this is too high,

783
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: but around that RB twenty five range, I think that's

784
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: that's a good time to roll the dice on Monty

785
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: this year.

786
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, once you get past Camara and Connor

787
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: and into this guy, like the next tier guys, they're

788
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: they're all interchangeable to me. At that point, I just

789
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: want to make sure I got my receivers squared away.

790
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: Whatever I did or didn't do it running back, it's

791
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: it's just on hold. Because, yeah, I think Montgomery, you know,

792
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: not like he that's you know, mid twenties, that is

793
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: where he should be ranked. But there's just so many

794
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: guy this is the frozen ponds here. I mean, there's

795
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: just so many guys that I don't I don't think

796
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: realistically we can, like there's gonna be so much variance

797
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: in terms of the range of outcomes when you factor

798
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: in miss games and you factor in who's missing games

799
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: in the like in the committee that's gonna benefit or

800
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: hurt them that you just have to kind of start

801
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: treating these guys interchangeable. And that's why I think you

802
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: see the upticking receivers being drafted in these middle rounds.

803
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, if I don't already have my RB two,

804
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: I'm just making sure I have my receivers and like

805
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: a flex receiver squared away, and then I'll draft. If

806
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: Montgomery's still there, great, If not, I'm happy to go

807
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: in multiple different directions. Just you know, there's a lot

808
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: of upside rookies here probably are also some could be

809
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: going too high. And one of those guys, I mean

810
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: RB twenty one in Yahoo's ranks, Ghost top twenty four

811
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: and ADP R J. Harvey, Bronco's rookie, A guy I know,

812
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: we were both really excited about with the landing spot,

813
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: but the ADP really caught up quickly in Best Ball,

814
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: and it seems like it's following suit here in redrafts.

815
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: Now we are so I guess people, given where he's going,

816
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: people know the upside case for him, you know, speedy guy,

817
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: rookie joker, John Payton offense that needed a bad we

818
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: need a running back. But I want to ask you

819
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: what is the floor because I do feel like he's

820
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: at a point where this, this spending, this draft capital

821
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: could also go disastrously.

822
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think, well the floor is certainly you know,

823
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 3: he's not even an RB three flex. He's just kind

824
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: of phased out. Sean Payton gets pissed at him. He's

825
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: in the doghouse. That's certainly in his range of outcomes.

826
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 3: But I do love his upside and this is one

827
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 3: of those cases where it's so annoying how sharp the

828
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 3: market is. I feel like just a few years ago,

829
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 3: this kind of guy would be, I don't know, RB

830
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 3: thirty kind of overlooked. But this was an amazing landing

831
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 3: spot for Harvey going to the Broncos because you know,

832
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 3: they had to move on from the running backs from

833
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 3: last year and you know they're going with R. J.

834
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 3: Harvey and J. K. Dobbins presumably this year. And this

835
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 3: is an excellent offense, excellent excellent offensive line, great scheme

836
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 3: and when I was doing my running back upside chart.

837
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 3: This reminds me of like a discount version of the Lions,

838
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: with Harvey sort of being the Gibbs role and Dobbins

839
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: being the Montgomery role. Obviously not as an elite an offense,

840
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 3: but certainly same dynamic where both players probably do offer

841
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 3: a pretty high floor when both are healthy, and then

842
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 3: you know, massive ceiling if either one miss his time.

843
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: And you know Sean Payton has had this you know,

844
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 3: thunder lightning approach, and I think the twenty seventeen Saints

845
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 3: with Mark Ingram and rookie Alvin Kamara could be what

846
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 3: we see here with RJ. Harvey being rookie Alvin Kamara.

847
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: So the ceiling is undeniable here. He's a great pass

848
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: catching back, very fast, very explosive, so he could absolutely

849
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 3: be you know, high end RB two, maybe an RB one,

850
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 3: But like you said, the floor is pretty low, so

851
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 3: he has a very wide range of outcomes. So you

852
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: just have to know when you're taking him that there

853
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 3: is some risk, and certainly taking him at cost you're

854
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 3: you're really taking on some risk. But I think the

855
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: upside is there, so I have been taking him in

856
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 3: spots he typically has to fall past ADP, but it happens,

857
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 3: and I think that he's one of those cases where

858
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 3: he's like a discount Jamar Gibbs, so to speak.

859
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did get a bunch of him in Best Ball,

860
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, as his ADP was climbing, But I don't

861
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: think I'm getting any of him in redraft. I think

862
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: this ADP is it is too high. I just think

863
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: I think when you look at Sean Payton's offense, I

864
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: mean you go back to twenty seventeen, thunder and lightning,

865
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: but like last few years of teams like its been thunder, lightning,

866
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: earth wind, fire, rain, every damn every like for real.

867
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:56,959
Speaker 2: Man.

868
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: So I don't I just don't have enough certainty, especially

869
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: after you go out and you sign a JK. Dobbins,

870
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: after you talk about you know, this joker role, and

871
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: but now you have Ingram, and now you have and

872
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: you have Mims potentially freed up to play the backfield

873
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: more because you drafted Pat Bryant received like the day

874
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: two pick at receiver. Who could you know free Mimes up.

875
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: Mims was taking what five, four or five carries at

876
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 1: times out of the backfield last year. Ingram's a candidate

877
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: for something like that, you have not just Dobbins, but

878
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: you also have a like McLoughlin estimate like one of

879
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: those guys probably making the team and getting and getting

880
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: work on game day because that's that just seems what

881
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: Seahn Payton's MO has been. So I don't fully trust

882
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: that Harvey is in that position now. I certainly see

883
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: the talent and I think he could kind of emerge

884
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 1: like a Kamara, but we're really kind of like at

885
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: this range again. I just think when you factor in

886
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: the floor, he's just interchangeable now sadly with a lot

887
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: of these other guys, and many of them go later,

888
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: so he's not a guy I'm like putting a pause

889
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: one drafting my wide receiver corpse to go out and get.

890
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: I think I think he just got to kind of

891
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: take the border as it comes to and unfortunately, like

892
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: you said, the market just kind of blew their load

893
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: a little bit when it came to Harvey. He could

894
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: be like a spros guy too, which you know may

895
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: or may not translate just depending on how effishent he

896
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: is touchdowns. So yeah, I just think the range raucomes

897
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: too wide for me.

898
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, the ADP was kind of unphased with the signing

899
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 3: of JK. Dobbins whichever. Since then, I've been kind of like,

900
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 3: what the hell's going on? But yeah, getting back to

901
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 3: my upside charge, I think Dobbins is the better you

902
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 3: just kind of wait, you can invest in this backfield

903
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 3: that way. But what are your thoughts on Dobbins? And

904
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think people realize this, but Dobbins

905
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: is only two years older than Harvey. Harvey's a older

906
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 3: running back prospect, he's twenty four, and Dobbins it seems

907
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 3: like he's like, you know, thirty seven years old, but

908
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 3: he's still only twenty six. And he's dealt with a

909
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 3: ton of injuries, so you know, he's got to stay healthy.

910
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 3: But what are your thoughts on Dobbins in this backfield?

911
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's probably the better value. He could end up

912
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: being a non factor at the same time, like he's

913
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: another guy with a.

914
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 2: Paper to find out.

915
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I totally. I think I'm my reservations are

916
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: not with the players in this Denver office. I am.

917
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm very bullish on Denver. It was last year as well.

918
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: It's that I'm starting to just understand what shown Peyton's envisioning,

919
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: and it's to have a bunch of interchangeable pieces, which

920
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: is going to be a nightmare for consistency. The same

921
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: reason I'm not as bullish on a guy like Ingram,

922
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: I just think Sean Payton wants to have a bunch

923
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: of weapons, so the defense never really knows, like, oh,

924
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: is this gonna be a week where Marvin Mims gets

925
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: five carries or our day Harvey gets fifteen carries or

926
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: Dobbins gets you know, a twenty carries in a powerback role,

927
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: or is this another one of those like Audric estimated

928
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: weeks or McGlocklin weeks or the day week. I just

929
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: think that's his vision, or he wouldn't have drafted the

930
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: way he did with you know, adding and signing another

931
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: running back and then you know, adding receivers, and he

932
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: probably didn't need to do that at the point where

933
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: he gets like, I just I don't think it's going

934
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: to be easy to preget, so I would I would.

935
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: I kind of have him boxed into more of a

936
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: best ball specific thing. That's That's how I'm kind of approaching. Yeah,

937
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: that Dever offense.

938
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'd said numerous times last year he was going

939
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 3: with the hot hand approach.

940
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 2: That could apply this year.

941
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 3: And if you've ever had a running back in those situations,

942
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 3: it's a nightmare in you know, head to head leagues,

943
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 3: who you got to make a decision every week. Like

944
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 3: you said, just being a little bit unpredictable is not

945
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 3: ideal in that format. And best ball bestball, you don't

946
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 3: really care. You just take the spike week. So that

947
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 3: certainly is the better format for these guys. But yeah,

948
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 3: I remember tem Payton just going I'm going with the

949
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 3: hot hand so that those markets of like most rushing

950
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 3: yards in the game, I was taking a flyer on

951
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 3: like Jilil McLaughlin and big odds, things like that. There's

952
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 3: ways to take advantage of that, but knowing who to

953
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 3: start every week could be tricky.

954
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: Champain's a six sick man when it comes to like

955
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: formation subs too, Like if you know he's one of

956
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: those guys first and ten, he'll have one group on

957
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: the field and then like second and five, like four

958
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: guys will trot off and four guys.

959
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: Fun like it.

960
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: Not only they use like three running back, he's using

961
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: a full back most of the time. I mean, come on,

962
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 1: that's it.

963
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

964
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 3: I remember I went to the game last year when

965
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 3: they were playing the Chargers kind of to watch that happen,

966
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 3: like you could see it easier in game.

967
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 2: I had some problems, and.

968
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 3: Like getting to see who's running in it, like on

969
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 3: and off the field was helpful. But yeah, he loves

970
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 3: to change up his personnel like after every play.

971
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean it makes sense, but I think

972
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: people may be able to have been disappointed consistency wise with

973
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: some of these guys on this offense. But Tony Pollard

974
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: RB twenty two and Yahoo ranks very consistent last year

975
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: career high sixteen point three carries per game. Sean, how

976
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: much stock were we putting into the reports that Tennessee.

977
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: We've heard that they want to increase Ti J.

978
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: Spears role.

979
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: We've also heard separately that they want to kind of

980
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: add a third element to the backfield mix in terms

981
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: of more of a power back. And we've seen them

982
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: kind of play around at the bottom of the of

983
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: the roster with you know, they drafted Mowings and then

984
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: they've been shuffling in, shuttling in like a Ti Davis

985
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: Prices and guys like that. So I mean there could

986
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: be something to it, But what do you how do

987
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: you think the role kind of measures up to what

988
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 1: Poward was doing last year.

989
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, we were kind of thinking that

990
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 3: last year that you know, Pollard and Taj Spears we're

991
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 3: going to be more of a fifty to fifty committee.

992
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: I'm a big Taj Spears guy. I still am.

993
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 3: I think he's very talented, but he just missed a

994
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 3: ton of time last year and he was banged up,

995
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 3: so they kind of had to make Tony Pollard, you know,

996
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 3: a workhorse back, and he was excellent in the role.

997
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 3: He looked really good last year. And that's he's one

998
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 3: of the running backs that I remember moving up based

999
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 3: on his preseason, not that I was overreacting to his

1000
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 3: you know, his stats necessarily, but after having that ankle

1001
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 3: injury in Dallas, he just didn't look quite the same.

1002
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 3: And last year in preseason with the Titans, he did

1003
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 3: have that burst back, that explosiveness that I remember pre

1004
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 3: injury in Dallas. So I was I was, you know,

1005
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 3: moving his projections up, but I still thought Spears a

1006
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 3: factor in So I think we might be drafting closer

1007
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 3: to his ceiling this year, because again, it was kind

1008
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 3: of a perfect storm for him last year where he

1009
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 3: was a true.

1010
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 2: Workhorse back because out of necessity.

1011
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 3: So I think they want him to, you know, obviously

1012
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 3: be the lead back, but they want Spears to be

1013
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 3: mixing more. I don't know who would be the short

1014
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 3: yardage back, but Spears was pretty good in goaling situations

1015
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 3: last year. They did some you know, wildcat plays, some

1016
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 3: trick plays to kind of open things up for Spears.

1017
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 3: Maybe they just do more of that. But yeah, I

1018
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 3: think Pauler's workload isn't going to be as big this year.

1019
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 3: And you know last year he was. I think he

1020
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 3: was RB twenty two, RB twenty one, tied with Rashaud

1021
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 3: White and points per game. So again, like it seems

1022
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 3: like we're drafting him closer to his ceiling here where

1023
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 3: this year, I think, you know, he is going to

1024
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 3: be splitting more work with someone like Taj Spears.

1025
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and an underrated element too, is I think this

1026
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: Titan team could be pass heavier than people. Remember last

1027
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: year Callahan first year there, he got stuck with Levis

1028
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: and Rudolph. Now he's got a quarterback drafted number one

1029
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: overall in cam Ward. They redid the receiver room. They

1030
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: got another tight end in there and Helm, So this

1031
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: just might not be that same run heavy kind of

1032
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: team it was last year. They were run heavy out

1033
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: of necessity a year ago. So yeah, I think last

1034
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: year was the year to draft Pollard. I mean again,

1035
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: if he falls far enough, it's fine, But I just

1036
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: think once you get past that mid mid middle of

1037
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: the RB two tier Camara, for me, I think all

1038
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: these guys are largely interchangeable. You could poke hose into

1039
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: all of them, some more than others, and we'll talk

1040
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: about one of those guys shortly. But yeah, that's that's

1041
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: where I'm out with powered. I think last year is

1042
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: the year for him. Came with Johnson and rookie Pittsburgh Steeler.

1043
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: Seems like he's gonna swat into that new Naji Harris role.

1044
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: He is a guy that you know did did well

1045
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: to run into stack boxes. That was one of the

1046
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: the pros reportedly for them drafting him. What do you

1047
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: think Caleb Johnson does in year one? How do you

1048
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: think the workload ends up shaking out?

1049
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1050
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 3: So when I was watching CAB's film before the draft,

1051
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 3: my comp for him was Naji Harris.

1052
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: I mean, he reminds me of him. He played at Iowa.

1053
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 3: They were wearing you know, the black and yellow, looked

1054
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 3: like a Steelers game.

1055
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 2: It looked like Naji Harris.

1056
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 3: So I thought landing in Pittsburgh was the perfect landing

1057
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 3: spot for him.

1058
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 2: But sort of like r J.

1059
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 3: Harvey, the market's kind of too wise of that and

1060
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 3: maybe too bullish on him because RB twenty two. He's

1061
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 3: being drafted on RB twenty two right now. I think

1062
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 3: that could be a bit aggressive because I do expect

1063
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 3: him to basically take over the nause role, but that's

1064
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 3: you know, early down work, and then you know he's

1065
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 3: gonna still concede snaps to Jalen Warren, maybe Kenny Gainwell

1066
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 3: in passing situations. I think he's gonna be two one

1067
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 3: dimensional to really pay off at this ADP. So this

1068
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 3: is just the case of I think just people are

1069
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 3: too excited to draft rookies, the sexy play, you know,

1070
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 3: the upside that rookies provide, but they're not realistically thinking

1071
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 3: about this in terms of medium projections. And I have him,

1072
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 3: you know, I have him ranked pretty high. He's met

1073
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 3: RB twenty seven, but there's enough concern here to kind

1074
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 3: of pass in the RB twenty two range. So love

1075
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 3: him as a prospect for what he does and the

1076
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,479
Speaker 3: landing spot. It's just his ADP has kind of gotten

1077
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 3: out of control lately.

1078
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, I don't mind drafting him at all. It's

1079
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: just if he's there after I've kind of shored up receiver,

1080
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: Like that's that's what it comes down to for all

1081
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: these guys. I think with him in particular, you kind

1082
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: of hit it like it still could be like more

1083
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: of a three way committee. But I mean Najie Harris

1084
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: wasn't very good, So there is there is some upside here,

1085
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: like some some you know, maybe he's like Arthur Smith

1086
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: wants him to be his Derrick Henry type type of

1087
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: type of situation. So I mean Kenny Game well obviously

1088
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: is not going to be much of a factor if

1089
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: things are clicking and Warren, I think he's kind of

1090
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: they kind of have a specific role for him in mind.

1091
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: I don't think they want him to necessarily surpass that.

1092
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: So there's there is some upside here, but nothing, Yeah,

1093
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: nothing you want to reach on and kind of go

1094
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: out of your way for, especially because he's not one

1095
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: of the sexier rookies in terms of like, you know,

1096
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: the speed and whatnot. So, uh yeah, he's kind of

1097
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: in this frozen pond purgatory Isaiah Pacheco. He's he's, oh man.

1098
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: I mean, at least on the officials, unofficial whatever you

1099
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: call it, depth dry, at least he was the RB one.

1100
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: That's something. But I mean I think, I mean, is

1101
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: he like is he does he have a better chance

1102
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: of escaping the frozen pond or is there a better

1103
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: chance of health? Reason over? Like, I don't know, he

1104
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: is stuck in it.

1105
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 2: He's already He's already in there.

1106
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 3: It already broke because I was holding out hope, like

1107
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 3: I remember telling you, Like, obviously he wasn't the same

1108
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 3: after returning from that broken leg. I mean, he missed

1109
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 3: nine games. He returned from that that was incredible in itself,

1110
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 3: wasn't the same. He could bounce back this year and

1111
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 3: look like his former self. But after diving into their

1112
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 3: depth chart and doing my deep dive on upside ratings,

1113
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 3: I don't think it matters because this backfield is packed

1114
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 3: and his ceiling is still pretty low. Even if he's,

1115
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 3: you know, the prime Pacheco we all love and remember,

1116
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 3: his ceiling is still packed because I mean, Kareem Hunt

1117
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 3: probably still going to mix in in goal line work.

1118
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 3: Brishard Smith. He's looked really good in camp as the

1119
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 3: pass catching back. They really haven't replaced Jack McKinnon, but

1120
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 3: he could be that guy. And then we talked about

1121
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 3: earlier with Christian McCaffrey. But Elijah Mitchell has flashed when

1122
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 3: healthy in the past. They brought him in, so if

1123
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 3: he mixes in it all, you know, that's gonna just

1124
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 3: make it even more crowded. So it's a situation where

1125
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 3: even if he's healthy, he's going to be only using

1126
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 3: certain packages. And it's the Chiefs, you know, there's still

1127
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 3: a pass heavy team. He doesn't really factor in you know,

1128
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 3: receiving work or necessarily the goal line, so he's kind

1129
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 3: of pigeonholed in. And if you think about if anybody

1130
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 3: in this backfield is ruled out, does he really get

1131
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 3: that big of a boost.

1132
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 2: Not really.

1133
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 3: So his ceilings capped, so I'm like he's being priced

1134
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 3: pretty close to his ceiling and his floor is really low.

1135
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 3: So this is just an extreme frozen pond situation that

1136
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 3: I am absolutely not touching. I'm not even walking onto

1137
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 3: the surface to find out if it's solid or not.

1138
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have Patrucko with my RB forty eight, you know,

1139
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: double double, just just double his yeah, my rank for him. Yeah,

1140
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: I just I just think this is one of those

1141
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: situations where most of these guys are interchangeable. I'm with you.

1142
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't see it the upside for Bachecko because he's

1143
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: never been a good goal line back. There's there are

1144
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: multiple veterans on the roster where even if you have

1145
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: a situation where let's say Hunt gets cut or traded

1146
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: or Mitchell gets cut or traded, or you know, one

1147
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: of those guys doesn't make the team somehow or another,

1148
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: the other one is still there. And then there's a

1149
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: passing down back waiting in the wings, in in rookie Smith.

1150
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: And on top of that, the Checko was really like

1151
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,919
Speaker 1: he peaked in value before going down last year. And

1152
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: and you know in twenty twenty three when he was

1153
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: getting work in the passing game, and that was because

1154
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: the Chiefs were stuck in that have to dump it

1155
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: down all the time, defenses were playing two over the top.

1156
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: They didn't have any real you know, deep threats. But

1157
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: now all the reports out of care but that they're

1158
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: trying to bring that downfield offense back, they got their

1159
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: receivers of you know, more receivers and firepower and availability.

1160
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 1: So and on top of that, we don't know if

1161
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: Pacheco is going to be himself. So yeah, this is

1162
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: the seventh round pick, so he might just be regressing

1163
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: to the mean. I'm all the way out on on Pacheco.

1164
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some guys who do you like outside

1165
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: the top twenty four that you think have a chance

1166
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: to crush value here in that RB three and beyond tier.

1167
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that'll be what my entire you know, upside

1168
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 3: ratings chart and peace will be about.

1169
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 2: But we already talked about him. JK.

1170
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 3: Dobbins sticks out to me sort of being sort of

1171
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 3: a discount David Montgomery type where I think he's going

1172
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 3: to have a fairly high floor and you know, he

1173
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 3: does have a ceiling in the offense if he does

1174
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 3: turn out to be, you know, v back most weeks

1175
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 3: and he's you know, going at a very fair price,

1176
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 3: usually outside of the top thirty five. But the guy

1177
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 3: in that range I do like a lot is Jordan Mason,

1178
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 3: who is you know he's going to be backing up

1179
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 3: or starting out as Aaron Jones backup. But Kevin McConnell's

1180
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 3: already talked about this being a pretty true fifty to

1181
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 3: fifty split and Mason apparently would be the goal line back.

1182
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 3: So I love his upside just you know in week

1183
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 3: one as being a you know, RB three flex option.

1184
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 3: But if Aaron Jones continues to struggle with fumbles or

1185
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 3: just declines faster than I expect, you know, he could

1186
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 3: command more work with a healthy Jones, and then you

1187
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 3: know he has high let's go with high end RB

1188
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 3: two upside if Aaron Jones does miss time, So he

1189
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 3: just has a really solid floor ceiling combo for somebody

1190
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 3: that you could typically get just outside of the top thirty.

1191
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 3: So Mason's a back I like to target, and then

1192
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 3: two longer shot backs. I think Jayden Blue for the

1193
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 3: Cowboys is still the closest guy I can think of

1194
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 3: to be this year's Bucky Irving. He's the exact same

1195
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 3: height and weight as Bucky. And you know, he wasn't

1196
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 3: a top draft pick, but he did land in a

1197
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 3: pretty good situation where he only has to beat out

1198
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 3: you know, Washed Javonte Williams and wash Miles Sanders. There's

1199
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 3: a chance one of those backs, you know ends up

1200
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 3: panning out this year, but I think there's a there's

1201
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 3: a decent chance Blue surprises and you can get him

1202
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 3: outside of the top fifty, right around RB fifty right now.

1203
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:34,439
Speaker 2: So love taking a swing on him.

1204
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 3: And then I got to stick with my guy, Blake

1205
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 3: korm here who did not get a chance to spot

1206
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 3: start for Kyen Williams last year. I also wrote, you

1207
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 3: know there was like a fifteen to twenty percent chance

1208
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 3: he could leap frog Kyri Williams. None of that happened,

1209
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 3: but that wasn't his fault. You know, Kyen Williams being

1210
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 3: healthy the entire season was not Blake Koram's fault, so

1211
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 3: he wasn't a bust in a process sense. And now

1212
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 3: that Kyen signed that contract, I think there's like minimal

1213
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 3: chance Korum could leap frog him. But you know there's

1214
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 3: a chance Kyroen miss his time and McVeigh typically likes

1215
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 3: to roll with one guy and that could be Quorum,

1216
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 3: who again he has to beat up Jarqu's hunter in preseason.

1217
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 3: But you know McVeigh has usually red shirted, you know,

1218
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 3: rookie backs if you look the past several seasons. So

1219
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 3: I think Korum is a sneaky bet as a you know,

1220
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 3: true stash. He's going RB like seventy right now as

1221
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 3: somebody that has high end RB two upside if the

1222
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 3: starter misses time. So I think a lot of people

1223
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 3: are just kind of moving on from Korum. But I

1224
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 3: think getting him as like a last round pick, if

1225
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 3: you can get him, makes makes sense.

1226
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 4: Still cannot quit this guy, koram Man, Well, if I

1227
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 4: get if I gave like I I was high on

1228
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 4: Kyron and then I gave up on him, and then

1229
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 4: he broke out, and then I gave.

1230
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 3: Up like I gotta like buck the trend. So I'm

1231
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 3: doubling down on Quorum. And you know, if Karen Williams

1232
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 3: says healthy for seventeen games, you won't be able to

1233
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 3: play like Korum. But I think this year he's more

1234
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 3: at least more dropable. Last year required you know, RB

1235
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 3: forty draft capital, which definitely hurt. But I think just

1236
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 3: this year, the fact that he's essentially free makes it

1237
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 3: easier to sit there and just look at him on

1238
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 3: your bench every week, waiting for a chance. But I

1239
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 3: think if the chance does happen, I think he'll be

1240
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 3: the guy. But that's something we have to monitor. Hunter

1241
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 3: could become the backup, but as of now, I'm still

1242
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 3: sticking with Korum.

1243
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's I guess that's that's what we'll

1244
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: see in the preseason. I know some people are high

1245
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: on Hunter, but yeah, to your point, it's usually been

1246
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 1: we're too high on the shiny new toy and he

1247
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: just doesn't play at all. So for me, a couple

1248
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: of guys, I want to mention our few guys. Number one,

1249
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift. We didn't talk about him, but I think

1250
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,600
Speaker 1: he's very intrigued. We love Ben Johnson, we love the

1251
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 1: upside for Cable Williams. We love the offensive line for

1252
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: the Bears. We did the entire interior of the line.

1253
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: Could have one of the best lines in the league,

1254
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: kind of similarly to the Lions with Ben Johnson. So

1255
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: if we're high on all those pieces, I think it

1256
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: only makes sense to also be high on a guy

1257
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: like DeAndre Swift, who still OpEd into that we'd back roll.

1258
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: They didn't really address the position outside of Monoga I

1259
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: in the in the draft. You know, maybe they make

1260
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: it more of a you know, Roshawn Johnson works in

1261
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: but that was kind of happening at points last year.

1262
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: But I just think Swift is going a little bit

1263
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: under under the radar considering the supporting cast. So he's

1264
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: a guy out of draft over pretty much all the

1265
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: other guys after Camarat that we talked about who probably

1266
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: are going a little bit too high. Uh maybe maybe

1267
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: not James Connor, but you know all those other guys. Sharboney,

1268
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 1: your your man, Zach Charenay love him this. Yeah, I

1269
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: just think walk there's a lot of uncertainty with Walker

1270
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: Nett foot injury does worry me a little bit now.

1271
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: By the time y'all a listening to this, it could

1272
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 1: be nothing. But again, three injuries last year he missed

1273
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: six games, two leg injuries. He's been He's been hurt

1274
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: in the past as well as you know, never played

1275
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: a full NFL season. I think that was due the

1276
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: suspension his Rooki year. But nevertheless, a guy that I

1277
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 1: am a little bit concerned about, even workload wise, because

1278
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: he has a tendency to be uh feast or famine.

1279
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:41,879
Speaker 1: I think sharbon Ay is just as talented and maybe

1280
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he could even outplay him depending on

1281
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 1: the scheme. So I'm hiring Sharboney and then I think,

1282
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: similarly to your Dobbins call, I got to roll with

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01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: a guy like Rimandre Stevenson I've been getting I've been

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01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 1: getting him because Traveon Henderson's in that kind of similar

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01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 1: bucket where he will probably have a role in this

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01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 1: a large role in the offense, but it could be

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01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: a lot more varied than we think like he could be.

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01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 1: You know, he's working with the kick team and he

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01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: could be doing some things in the past game. So

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Speaker 1: I think Stevenson's still going to see a pretty decent workoad.

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Speaker 1: Remember this is a guy who McDaniels is familiar with

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Speaker 1: from his last stint in New England. So I think

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01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: Stevenson's been going a little too low sometimes he go

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01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: he dips into the forties and running backs top upside guy.

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01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: My pick for Bucky over and this year still Basiel Tooton.

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01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: I know he had a little hamstring issue. It seems

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01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 1: like he's over that, but I expect him to be

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01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,879
Speaker 1: a top two back pretty much immediately in this offense.

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Speaker 1: I think we saw that with Bucky last year, where

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01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 1: first three weeks it was double digit touches on average

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01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: and Tank Bigsby. I mean we've seen tank Bigsby be

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01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: like a non factor. He's a guy not really giving

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01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 1: much in the past game, which I just don't know

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01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:06,719
Speaker 1: meshes with this lean cone offense. So I'm just gonna

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01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: tune out the noise and hope Tooton doesn't go crazy

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01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: in the preseason or anything like that. Hopefully they keep

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01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: him in bubble rapper he stays on the injury report

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01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 1: because I think he is. I think he finishes as

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01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: the most valuable Jacksonville back, and he might be that

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01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: from the jump, and then a couple other guys. I

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01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: want to mention one Jerome Ford early. He'll probably give

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01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 1: you some early season value. I don't think Judkins is

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01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 1: in a position to where he's just kind of in

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01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: limbo right now, so I think Ford he's been the

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01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: guy that's been mentioned in that lead role. I think

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01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: Dylan Samson has some upside too, but at least as

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01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: it stands, Ford is going to probably open the years

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01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 1: the lead back and what could be the worst offense

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01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: in the league. But Ford is a pass catching guy,

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01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: so it's kind of like a poor man's Camara situation

1321
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: with a shorter time span, but you can get some

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01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 1: value out him and he's gone sometimes goes you know,

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01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: outside the top forty, outside the top fifty and number

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01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: Shard Smith just a got it watching camp. This is

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01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: what we did with Pacheco when he was a seventh

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01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: round pick, low in the Chiefs depth chart, but everything

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01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: seemed kind of wide open. By the end of camp,

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01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 1: it was pretty obvious that Pacheco was going to be

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01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:22,719
Speaker 1: a factor in that offense. And he's a great value

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01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 1: pick and Smith could be the same. So he's a

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01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: guy that definitely watched for. Could be a great stash

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01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,719
Speaker 1: depending on what he does and how much Buzzy generates

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01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 1: in the preseason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, love Sharbonet just want to double down on that.

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01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 3: He once again, I think he's one of two players

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01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 3: him and Montgomery thirty in a row being an a

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01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 3: grade in my upside chart. But he's one of those

1338
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 3: guys where he's going late enough, like you know, RB

1339
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 3: thirty five, where he's going to offer top ten upside

1340
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 3: RB one upside if Walker miss his time. And I'm

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01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 3: you know, I have given up hope that he will

1342
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 3: carve out enough of a role to offer RB three

1343
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 3: flex value if Walker is healthy. But there is a

1344
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 3: new coaching regime, so who knows. Stranger things have happened.

1345
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 3: But I think just stashing Charbonney, given his upside and

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01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 3: given you know, Walker's injury history makes him one of

1347
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 3: my favorite handcuffs and just upside plays in general.

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01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of handcuffs, I mean there are some handcuffs

1349
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,640
Speaker 1: which are probably mentioned. You can get a guy like

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01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 1: will Shipley basically for free. Keaton Mitchell, who should be

1351
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:36,799
Speaker 1: the handcuff to who should see a similar role to Henry,

1352
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,919
Speaker 1: can get him for free. Even Justice Hill for free.

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01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 1: Monitor to the the Niner situation because we don't like

1354
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 1: it should be Girendo, but now we don't know exactly

1355
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,759
Speaker 1: how much time he's gonna miss. The rookie Jordan James

1356
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: was hurt, but he's return to practice. But maybe it's Abdullah.

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01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 1: I would monitor that because whoever it is, he may

1358
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 1: If it's not Garendo, he may be free. So there

1359
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 1: are some handcuff situations that are worth kind of monitoring

1360
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 1: because they're gonna be with these older backs, Like these

1361
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: guys are are so cheap, their handcuffs are so cheap

1362
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: that I think you do want to kind of monitor

1363
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: and remember, like Seanaway says, you don't got to draft

1364
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 1: the kicker, you don't gotta draft the events, and just

1365
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: you just gotta sign one before we go on. So

1366
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 1: that's one or two extra spots that you could just

1367
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 1: be stashing the potential handcuffs, like if I'm drafting CMC

1368
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: or Henry, I'm trying to get Hill and Mitchell on

1369
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 1: my team, or Durende and Games or do whoever. Yeah,

1370
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: so that definitely situations to to monitor if you are

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01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 1: going to go that route with those backs. All right,

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