1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Hey guys. 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 2: Here we are back again on normally the show with 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 2: normalist takes for when the news gets weird. 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: I'm Mary Catherine. 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 3: Young and I'm Carol Markowitz. 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 2: We're getting close to election day, so we're going to 7 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 2: do horse race. What's going on in the horse race? Carol, Well, it's. 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 3: The top question I get from people, you know, not 9 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 3: even in politics. Friends of mine text and say, what 10 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 3: do you think is going to happen? And I think 11 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 3: people love this conversation. I love it less in like June, 12 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 3: but in October, like, let's do it, you know, why not, 13 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: Let's lean right into the numbers. And I would say, 14 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 3: you know today we're recording this a day in advance. 15 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 3: Its October twenty third. It's a Donald Trump race to lose, 16 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 3: and obviously anything could happen. And what I tell everybody 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 3: who texts me is it all comes down to turn 18 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: out cheesy as that may sound, but to get your 19 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,319 Speaker 3: voters to the polls, and that is really the name 20 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 3: of the game. It doesn't matter how many amazing appearances 21 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 3: you have or how many celebrities come out for you. 22 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 3: It matters which voters show up to. 23 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 4: Actually cast their votes. 24 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 3: So looking at the real clear averages. Again, it is 25 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 3: very much Donald Trump's race to lose. If you look 26 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 3: at Michigan one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 27 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 3: ten polls two ties one for Harris, the rest for Trump. 28 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: And there are a range of polls, you know, the 29 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal, Quinnipiac, Rasmussen, Trafalgar. So it's not like 30 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: it's only one side or the other. It really is 31 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 3: a mix. And so the number one state, of course 32 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 3: that everybody's watching is Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania, the last ten polls 33 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 3: have three for Harris, the rest for Trump. I think 34 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 3: the Trump campaign should be feeling pretty good right now. Again, 35 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 3: I hope that they're devoting massive resources to outreach to 36 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: get people to come vote. I think that's something that 37 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: the Democrats do very well. Republicans play a little bit 38 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 3: of catch up with that. But this is the first 39 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 3: election that I've seen Republicans take early voting very seriously. Currently, 40 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: Republicans in Florida are up on early voting, up on Democrats, which, 41 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: even though Florida is a deep red state at this point, 42 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 3: still is a surprising thing because Republicans tend. 43 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 4: Not to vote early. 44 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 3: They are very much the party of vote on election day. 45 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 3: So the fact that this is shifting is a good 46 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 3: thing for Republicans, and so I think, you know, Trump 47 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 3: campaign campaign ship feel pretty good right now. 48 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: Nevada is a place where early voting is looking extremely 49 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: good for Republicans. Now that does not mean every single 50 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: Republican who votes is not necessarily voting for Trump, but 51 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: you get a good sense of where votes are coming 52 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: from in the early voting, and what used to look 53 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: like an urban Clark County, Las Vegas firewall for Democrats 54 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: has turned into a rural firewall for Republicans from the 55 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: outlying areas of Nevada. If that pattern holds in other places, 56 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: that is not great for Democrats. Nevada is a place 57 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: where embracing early voting and looking at some early voting 58 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: data is more predictive of what might happen than other places. 59 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: It's hard to read early voting data. 60 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: So beware, but Nevada is one of the places where 61 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 2: the change has been most obvious. North Carolina is another 62 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: place that is really emphasizing early voting. Virginia will as well, 63 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: though that's not really a battleground state. But we have 64 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: youngkin so he's she has pushed this, so the messaging 65 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: has changed for Republicans, which it needs to. It needed 66 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: to a while ago. The other thing I wonder is 67 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: when it comes to horse race, I do think the 68 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: momentum is ticking in Trump's direction, but I use the 69 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: term ticking because it's not. It's ain't a big momentum shift, right, 70 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: So I want to be careful about taking like tiny 71 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: shifts in data astive of something. And I try to 72 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: be honest about the fact that I've learned many times 73 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: over in the past several cycles that my predictors don't 74 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: necessarily pan out because each one of them keeps getting 75 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: ticks knocked off, And hey, you know, better to have 76 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 2: mo than not rights, that's. 77 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: Where you want to be. 78 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: I also think it's good that nobody's comfortable, because I 79 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 3: think Republicans got very comfortable with the red wave during 80 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 3: the midterm, and I think it made people stay home. 81 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: The idea of we're definitely going to win is one 82 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: that causes people to stay home. So it's a good 83 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: thing for both sides that that is not the vibe 84 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 3: very much, not the vibe right now, and it really 85 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 3: depends what happens going forward and who's able to run 86 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 3: that gootv operation, which is what this is all about. 87 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, the twenty twenty two red wave famously did not 88 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: come ashore. One of the reasons for that was that 89 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: Republicans a had these early voting and absentee voting problems 90 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 2: where they were lagging. And two they had to be 91 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: charitable candidate quality problem problems in a lot of the 92 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: Senate and House races. Senate in particular, where candidates who 93 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: were like a little too outside the mainstream for normy 94 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: voters were bringing down the whole ticket. They have a 95 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 2: lot fewer of those problems now, particularly in Senate races 96 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 2: where the candidates have been very recruited from a very 97 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: good pool, so that might matter. And then for our 98 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 2: normy listeners who don't pay attention to polling all the time, 99 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: one of the things about these polls that we talk 100 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: about is that they're guessing what turnout will look like. 101 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 2: So that's one of the issues in predicting elections is 102 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: that every time these guys go out into the field 103 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: with a pole, they're playing a guessing game about who 104 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 2: might show up. So this early voting in rural areas 105 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 2: might tell you, oh, yeah, they've solved this problem from 106 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: the past, So. 107 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 4: That's exactly it. Right. 108 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 3: Also, looking back at that midterm election, I was worried 109 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 3: about it, and I was worried about it, not because 110 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: because I'm a seer of the few sure or anything, 111 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 3: but I was looking at this. Even even the candidates 112 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 3: who weren't let's say, challenged with problems, they were running 113 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 3: on their biographies. I looked at like their websites and 114 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 3: it would be like he's a marine or you know, 115 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 3: just all these like nobody votes on biography. I think 116 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 3: that's one of the main things. And Republicans, I feel like, 117 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 3: almost fall forward the biography thing a little bit too 118 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 3: hard because they think, like, oh, look at this candidate, 119 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 3: he's got all this experience. People don't really care. 120 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 4: They want to know what you're going to do. 121 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: And I think this election has been much more and 122 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 3: particularly because it's been a Biden Kamala presidency for this 123 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: whole time, where this is what we're going to do, 124 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 3: this is how we're going to be different, and I 125 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 3: think it matters. 126 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 2: We'll be right back in just a moment on normally, 127 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 2: here's what's going on on the trail in Detroit yesterday. 128 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: I'll hand it to the Kamala Harris campaign for having 129 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 2: a pretty cool event. This is one of those events 130 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 2: that this is Democrat privilege. 131 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 5: Right. 132 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: You get the big stars, you get at the rallies, 133 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 2: you get Megan, these Stallon Stallion concerts, and. 134 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: You can promise people Beyonce's going. 135 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 4: To show up. 136 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: But I will never stop talking about her. I will 137 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: never stop talking about how she didn't show up. But 138 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: in this case, someone did show up. Eminem came to 139 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: a Detroit rally last night. He doesn't come out a lot, 140 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: certainly for this kind of thing. And then he was 141 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: followed by the act of former President Barack Obama. And 142 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: let's just play a little bit about from Obama from 143 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: this rally. 144 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 6: I gotta say, you know, I have done a lot 145 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 6: of rallies, so I don't usually get nervous, but I 146 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 6: was feeling some kind of way following Eminem. Now I 147 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 6: notice my palms are sweating these week as a heaven 148 00:07:55,640 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 6: my sweater runner, Mom Spagetti, I am a surface, not 149 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 6: a tomb and run. 150 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: It for drop bomb, Okay, we get it. 151 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 4: Me for Phone. 152 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 6: I was gonna jump out. 153 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: You know, as you know, Carol, his sticks not for me. 154 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not the honest, but I enjoyed the 155 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: beginning of that. 156 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: I think I would have cut it a little sooner. 157 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, he just de helps himself so much. It's so obvious. 158 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: He's like, I am the best. 159 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: Look at me, go, He's really I could. 160 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 4: Do that wrap okay, and does so. 161 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: He was really feeling himself as as he often does. 162 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: But what do you think about the celebrity gatherings? Do 163 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: they work? 164 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 4: Yeah? 165 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: I don't think they work, but you know, whatever, again, 166 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 3: good for them. I used to have a thing on 167 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 3: my blog, which is how I got into this business. 168 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 3: I had a blog, and I used to have a 169 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 3: thing Eminem is a Republican, and I would be like, 170 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 3: Eminem's a Republican exhibit one, but one hundred, Like I 171 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: had a whole bunch of these, because he's so obviously 172 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 3: a Republican, Like, how does he not know that? And 173 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 3: it appears twenty years later he still has no idea. 174 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: I have to look this up. I didn't know. 175 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 3: About this is unfortunately offline. I wish, I wish I 176 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 3: had kept it somehow, but I had no idea what 177 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: I was doing. So but it was things like you know, 178 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 3: he would he would talk about how much how much 179 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 3: tax does the government take or just all kinds of 180 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: things like you'd make comments and I'd be like, that's 181 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 3: because you're a Republican, Like. 182 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: You know, well what it is. 183 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: It is funny to watch people like him, funny slash 184 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: weird to watch people like him and Howard. 185 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: Stern the ultimate rebels. 186 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, just line up at the mic to be like 187 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: the people who are in power, who run everything. So 188 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: I used to tell you should distrust, you need to 189 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 2: throw everything you have behind them. 190 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 4: Right right. 191 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 3: I support them, and. 192 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: I understand that Democrats still retain some of this like 193 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: rebel brand. 194 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, but don't know where it comes 195 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: from at this point. 196 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: I mean, they're very much the We literally have a 197 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 2: disinformation board inside the government and tell you what to do. 198 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 2: One last thing, Carol, have you heard that Harris herself 199 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: is taking days off from the trail in the last 200 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: two weeks of this election. I find this shock actually 201 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 2: shine boggling. 202 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, she has this whole thing where Donald Trump is 203 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 3: too old and he's getting tired, and like he's out 204 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 3: there all the time talking to everybody. There's a story 205 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 3: right now that he's gonna he's going to be doing 206 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 3: the Joe Rogan show that you and I talked about 207 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 3: in previous episodes, where you know, Kamala Harris was rumored 208 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: to do it, but like Beyonce never came out. Let's just. 209 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: He beat her to McDonald's. He beat her to Joe Rogan. 210 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to beat her to booking Beyonce, 211 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 2: but know, but he. 212 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 3: Could book he could Yeah, he could just say he's 213 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 3: bringing out Beyonce and never bring around Yeah. Right, So 214 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 3: you know, I don't know how she's able to do 215 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: that or think that that's okay. If her supporters are 216 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 3: fine with that, that's fine. But at the same time, 217 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 3: saying that Trump isn't working hard enough or he's lost 218 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 3: a step, I mean, come on. 219 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: Well, each of them is. Campaigns are going to shift quickly. 220 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: You're going to do some events not do other events. 221 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: I get that, but full days off the trail seems 222 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: very crazy dangerous to me. It seems Hillary's skipping Wisconsin 223 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: level dangerous. You want to, as Tim Walls might understand 224 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 2: as a coach, you want to leave it all on 225 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 2: the field. 226 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: You do, right, that's what you want to do. 227 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 3: Also, just one more one more point, because this is like, 228 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: this is the horse race, what it's all about right now? 229 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 5: Right? 230 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 3: But the campaign issued a statement that they were taking 231 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 3: like a red state break or they were going to 232 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 3: like Texas and some other red states, and it's like, 233 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 3: why why are you doing that? 234 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: Because is it for house races? 235 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 4: Like what is it? 236 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 3: Ha? It must be I know for sure that they're 237 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 3: campaigning for all read in Texas for the Senate against 238 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 3: Ted Cruz, but that seems like a waste of time. 239 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 3: I think Ted Cruz is going to win comfortably, and 240 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: I think that you have your own race to run, 241 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 3: So why are you doing this red state extravaganza when 242 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 3: you know it gives the sense of like they've given up, 243 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: which is wild. 244 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 2: It's very it's a weird look. There was another bad 245 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 2: look in the state of Missouri, I believe on the 246 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: campaign trail what happened there. 247 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 3: So Lucas Kouhons, who was running for US Senate against 248 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 3: Josh Holly, posted some pictures on his x account and 249 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 3: they were pictures of him shooting with Adam Kinsinger, who 250 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 3: was a Republican US congressman who's become a big never 251 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 3: Trump guy, very active and frothy on the X platform. 252 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: Rothy is a good word for it. 253 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: So Kon's posted some pictures and he wrote, great day 254 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 3: at the range today with my friend Adam Kinsinger. We 255 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 3: got to hang out with some union workers while exercising 256 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,239 Speaker 3: our freedom. Always have your first aid kid handy. Shrapnel 257 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 3: can always fly when you hit a target like today, 258 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 3: and you've got to be ready to go. We had 259 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: four first aid kids, so we were able to take 260 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 3: care of the situation. And I'm glad Ryan is okay 261 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 3: and was able to continue reporting Mary Catherine. They shot 262 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 3: a reporter. 263 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: They like, you jured a reporter, guys, I feel like 264 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: we're this's a Republican event. 265 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: It would be a large, large news story. 266 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 3: He posted it like, had such a fun day shot 267 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 3: a reporter? What are you guys up to? 268 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: Great day at the range? Yeah, I do not think 269 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: it was a good day at the range. 270 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: A couple things. I ran this by my in house 271 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: firearms expert. As many people noticed, and I noticed. I mean, 272 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 2: I'm not a super firearms expert, but you notice they're 273 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 2: shooting at what looked like steel plates. Yeah, very very 274 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: close to them, with very large, long guns of relatively 275 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 2: high power. 276 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: This seems like a problem just to start with. 277 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 4: Right. 278 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: At one point, Adam Kinsinger definitely has no eye protection on. 279 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: He's wearing it on his head his head. 280 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 2: At one point the photographer is down range from the 281 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: firearms unwise, which especially given what we've seen in the 282 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: safety realm here, I wouldn't do. I think what happened 283 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: is that they were shooting irresponsibly. This happened, and they 284 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: realize it's going to be a story, and because he's 285 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: a Democrat running for Senate, he's like, I can probably 286 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: get away with this if I just frame it like 287 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: I did first aid, So look at me. When in fact, 288 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: you're shooting probably with the wrong guns. You're shooting at 289 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: targets you shouldn't be shooting at you're shooting my in 290 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: house firearms expert noted, probably with the wrong kind of AMMO, 291 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 2: because if you're shooting at a plate like that, you 292 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: have different kinds. One that's going to basically disintegrate upon 293 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: hitting it and another that might create shrapnel. 294 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: He also noted that. 295 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: There looked like there was one gun on that in 296 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 2: that lineup that the ATF had recently tried to ban. 297 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 3: Amazing. 298 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: You know, there's so many things wrong with it. 299 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm new to shooting. But the thing that 300 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 3: I have learned more than anything else is how important 301 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 3: gun safety is and how gun enthusiasts take safety so seriously. 302 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: The not wearing his glasses and just having them perched 303 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 3: on his head gave very much like when the Democrats 304 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 3: used to implore us all to wear masks, but then 305 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 3: would constantly be seen with the mask on their chin. 306 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 3: Very similar vibes there. It just all around. I think 307 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 3: that a second look at taking away guns, maybe just 308 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 3: from Democratic politicians and their friends, I might be on 309 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 3: board with this now. 310 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is actually like I do occasionally rant about 311 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: how once every Memorial Day or Fourth of July, a 312 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: bunch of Senate candidates who've. 313 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: Never grilled try to grill yes, right, and they screw 314 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: it up. 315 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 2: They're always like they just took an apron out of 316 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: the package and still got creases in it. They don't 317 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 2: know how to put things on the grill. They don't 318 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: know how to hold atla. But the thing is, when 319 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: you hold a spatula. 320 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: Wrong, you're not going to kill anyone. 321 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would just say they need to take 322 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 2: their once a year shooting event more seriously than there 323 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: once a year grilling event. 324 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's absolutely right. But what's so interesting about 325 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: this also is that this is yet another Democrats try 326 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 3: to appeal to gun owners. We had Tim Walls awkwardly 327 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 3: trying to load his shotgun. They're very much trying to 328 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 3: say we are okay with guns, which has not been 329 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 3: the message all along from Democrats. And I think that 330 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 3: this is marks a shift for sure, not a great 331 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 3: shift again because they look so awkward and we are 332 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 3: doing it, but a shift nevertheless. 333 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there is there's something weirdly comforting always 334 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: about the fact that right before an election Democrats start 335 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: pretending to be Republicans. 336 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: Hmm. 337 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: It's like, yes, okay, like I guess, I guess there 338 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 2: is still an understanding that it's basically a center right 339 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: country world. Yeah, and they have to sort of make 340 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: us stop to that, and whether people believe them is 341 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: a whole other issue. Give us a second, we'll be 342 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 2: right back on normally. Shall we close with what we're 343 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 2: still mad at Bro? 344 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 3: Still mad at Bro? Tell us? 345 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so I'm mad about a couple things. Unfulfilled 346 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: promises right, business left undone and when it comes to 347 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 2: the federal government, there's plenty to just from. Let's start 348 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 2: with a little Pete Budagic quote. I believe we have 349 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 2: a clip of him speaking my. 350 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:39,479 Speaker 5: Hope and expectation. I see our very youngest attendee back there. 351 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 5: How old are you they three weeks? Congratulations. So by 352 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 5: the time that infant is able enough to old enough 353 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 5: to ask us what we were doing in the early 354 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 5: twenty twenties to set up this country for success, they 355 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 5: won't know a country. And my kids, who are three 356 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 5: right now, won't know a country that didn't have high 357 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 5: speed rail and excellent passenger rail. And I think that's 358 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 5: a legacy we can all be very proud of. So 359 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 5: thank you for everything you've done to get us here 360 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 5: and saving a seat at that ribbon cutting in twenty thirty. 361 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: Place twenty thirty sure, fact check, this will not happen, ever, 362 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: And this will not happen because we can look at 363 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: other high speed reel projects outside of the state of Florida. 364 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 2: By the way, we're actually high speed rail has been 365 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 2: built rather quickly because under good governance you can do it. 366 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: But neither the federal government nor the state of California 367 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: qualifies for that sort of thing. 368 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: So in California, let me just read you. 369 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: This is a twenty twenty four story from Reason magazine, 370 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 2: which is always keeping up with this issue. Yeah, the 371 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 2: boondoggle that is Californian high speed rail. When Californians were 372 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: first pitched in two thousand and eight on the idea 373 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 2: of a high speed rail line connecting San Francisco and 374 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 2: Los Angeles, the price tag was an estimated thirty three billion, 375 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: and about seventy five percent of those costs would come 376 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: from federal taxpayers or private sources. That was the assurance 377 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 2: at the time. On Tuesday, the project's CEO told state 378 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: lawmakers and Sacramento that another one hundred billion, yes, in 379 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: addition to what state and federal taxpayers have already contributed, 380 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: would likely be needed to finish the project. Meanwhile, there's 381 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 2: still no timeline for when passengers will be able to 382 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: take the train due to ongoing environmental reviews. That's basically 383 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 2: like one bridge built of the. 384 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: Hire thing that since two thousand and eight. 385 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 3: Right, So yeah. In twenty eleven, one of my favorite 386 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 3: X accounts, Polymath, tweeted prediction high speed rail will never 387 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 3: come about because environmental regulations will derail construction about California. 388 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 3: And a few days ago, when the peak Boodha Judge 389 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 3: comments came out, he quoted Buddha Judge with the kids today. 390 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 4: Will never know blah blah blah height in America without 391 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 4: a high speed rail and. 392 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 3: Polymat said counterpoint. When I wrote the tweet below, I 393 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 3: zero children. Now I have three and the oldest is 394 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: in high school next year. California still does. 395 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 4: Not have a high speed rail. 396 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 3: So you know, don't hold your breath. 397 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: You can just look at the evidence before you, more 398 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: evidence before you. Kamala Harris, I don't know if you 399 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: know this. 400 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: Carol was in charge of a rural broadband program. 401 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 3: I'm sure she was. 402 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: Going to bring the broadband to the to the people. 403 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, she lamented. Recently, This is the Wall Street Journal 404 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 2: reporting that in America it takes too long and it 405 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 2: costs too much to build. Consider Miss Harris's record. The 406 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal says, in twenty twenty one, she agreed 407 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 2: to lead the administration's forty two billion dollar plant forty 408 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 2: two billion dollars for expanding high speed internet to millions 409 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 2: of Americans. That year, she tweeted, quote, we can. 410 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: Bring broadband to rural America. 411 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: Today Today, Today, nearly three years after Congress hass the 412 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 2: Infrastructure bill that created the program, not one home or 413 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: business has been connected through it. The Biden administration recently 414 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: confirmed that construction projects won't again until next year at 415 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 2: the earliest, and in many cases not until twenty twenty six, 416 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 2: in which case maybe we could just stop them and 417 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: go with starlink because it takes like a day. 418 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know the forty billion. Do we still 419 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 3: have that forty billion? 420 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: But I'm not we don't. 421 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 2: I'm sure it's gone. It's like it's actually on the 422 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: Chinese spy balloon, floating, floating away. 423 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: No, it's it's crazy and some of the reasons for 424 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: it are even crazier. 425 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: So of course, in California, the high speed rail problem 426 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: is largely environmental reviews, and they just can't get through 427 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 2: that gauntlet, and you know, just general government and competence. 428 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 2: But the Wall Street Journal reports, instead of focusing on 429 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: delivering broadband to unserved areas, the administration has used the 430 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 2: program to advance a wish list of political goals. It 431 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: has adopted regulations that include diversity, equity, and inclusion requirements. 432 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 2: Climate change rules, price controls, preferences for union labor, and 433 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 2: schemes that favor government run networks. The administration has been 434 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: handed out wins to favored political groups rather than delivering results, 435 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 2: no surprise everyone, right. 436 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 3: Also, California has that weird thing where years ago, I 437 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 3: was playing poker at one of their casinos and as 438 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 3: I go to cash out my chips, it says, you know, 439 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 3: these poker chips might cause cancer. And I was like, WHOA, 440 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 3: what the hell is This? Turns out everything in California 441 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 3: might cause cancer. 442 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 4: So I think they just are. 443 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 3: Probably still working on putting all the labels on all 444 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 3: the high speed internet this might cause cancer, and that 445 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 3: takes a. 446 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 4: While, America. 447 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: It doesn't take a while, you know, I don't. 448 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, like people drive to western North Carolina with a 449 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 2: Starlink in their trunk for two hundred and fifty bucks 450 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: and they're like, let's just let's hook up some broadband. 451 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: I should note, and I think we noted it before, 452 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 2: that Elon Musk's Starlink has been refused some federal contracts 453 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 2: based on the idea that it's not fast enough service. Right, 454 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 2: And I would just say that forty two billion dollars 455 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 2: in three years later. 456 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: Maybe it is fast enough, so let's just take it. 457 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 3: Let's just you know, slow internet whatever. 458 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it might do the track well. 459 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us on Normally. Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, 460 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 3: and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get 461 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 3: in touch with us at Normallythepod at gmail dot com. 462 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening, and when things get weird, act normally