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Speaker 1: the episode. Hello, how you doing, I'm doing all right?
Speaker 1: What is going on with you? What is your name?
Speaker 2: My name's Bella, Bella.
Speaker 1: What did you want to call in to talk about today?
Speaker 2: I have like a few things I kind of. I
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you a question though, And this is
Speaker 2: really funny because somebody in the chat. I couldn't tell
Speaker 2: if it was my voice or like mannerisms or something,
Speaker 2: but somebody in the chat asked if I was Jewish,
Speaker 2: and I was like, shit, like, my do I sound Jewish?
Speaker 1: Are you maybe as a Jewish? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I am Jewish, but like do I But like it
Speaker 2: was a strange to me that somebody asked me that,
Speaker 2: because I was like, I don't feel like I sound
Speaker 2: super Jewish, but maybe I do. Like do you ever
Speaker 2: get people to tell you that you sound Jewish?
Speaker 1: Do you take it as a bad thing that you
Speaker 1: sound Jewish?
Speaker 2: No? No, not at all. But I'm like, I'm I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm very like culturally Jewish, but not religiously
Speaker 2: because like my parents are from my parents are from
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union, right or like originally the Soviet Unions,
Speaker 2: Like they immigrated when they were like in their teens,
Speaker 2: like before it collapse or whatever. So like I'm Jewish,
Speaker 2: but like I don't know, like you weren't really allowed
Speaker 2: to be religious in the Soviet Union, So everybody's like
Speaker 2: kind of culturally Jewish but not religiously, so like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I'm kind of like an atheist. I don't
Speaker 2: really believe in anything, but like culturally, like I still
Speaker 2: felt with being Jewish, like it's fun.
Speaker 1: So wait, okay, back to the couple things that you
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about was this was was being Jewish
Speaker 1: one of them?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Kind of, because I feel like I've heard you
Speaker 2: talk about being Jewish before and like how you heard
Speaker 2: Did you go to Jewish camp or Jewish school?
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, Jewish camp.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I went to Jewish school from kindergarten third grade. Then
Speaker 1: I went to public school, but then I was in
Speaker 1: the Hebrew School until I was miss.
Speaker 2: Oh you did Hebrew School?
Speaker 1: Did school the h did the Jewish summer camps. Did
Speaker 1: did a little bit of the Bbyo in high school.
Speaker 2: And oh my gosh, you were a Bbyops were you?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Dude, No, but I knew so many people who were.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing is like I was like Jewish,
Speaker 2: but not the kind of Bbyo Jewish. It's just a
Speaker 2: different type.
Speaker 1: I actually got hazed in my Bbyo chapter. They're like what, yeah,
Speaker 1: they well, there was this one night I remember where
Speaker 1: they uh they brought us down into a basement and
Speaker 1: they made us all watch hardcore porn and uh, like,
Speaker 1: one by one they would take us into this room
Speaker 1: and like drip hot candle wax on our back or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 3: Are you lying?
Speaker 1: No, I'm behind you percent serious and uh one of
Speaker 1: our one of uh I think like our parents found
Speaker 1: out and the chapter got in a whole bunch of trouble.
Speaker 1: But I mean good times, good times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. I dated this guy my senior year
Speaker 2: of high school who was bbyo Jewish and he was
Speaker 2: like went to Jewish camp in northern Wisconsin and he
Speaker 2: was like a counselor and it was just like such
Speaker 2: a big part of his life. And I just remember
Speaker 2: like kind of low key making fun of it at
Speaker 2: some point.
Speaker 1: By the way, I just want to just want to clarify.
Speaker 1: I just want to clarify. I just want to clarify.
Speaker 1: I think people maybe in the chat got me. These
Speaker 1: were not adults doing this. These were this was other
Speaker 1: sixteen year olds doing this. Okay, just to be clear,
Speaker 1: this is clear. That did not happen to me. That
Speaker 1: was not an adult stripping candle wax on me.
Speaker 2: That was another sixteen year old boy.
Speaker 1: I was I was looking at the chat and I realized,
Speaker 1: don't I turned the chat off for a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I was looking at it and realized that maybe
Speaker 1: that did it did not come off like that.
Speaker 2: No, maybe it sounded weird. Yeah yeah, but no, no anyway, yeah,
Speaker 2: like so, so my boyfriend had like he was like
Speaker 2: a big part of it, and I just like I
Speaker 2: made fun of it once and he just was like
Speaker 2: so upset about the fact that I made fun of it.
Speaker 2: But it really is like, you know, a big fucking thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's also really funny, like they're.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 1: Jews have this that like we're obsessed with shushing. Like
Speaker 1: I've never been shushed more in my fucking life than
Speaker 1: any There's always this point and it's always the most
Speaker 1: dude like there's there's always like in bb YO and
Speaker 1: in Jewish summer campus, there's always this like one moment
Speaker 1: where like everything has to stop because a guy is
Speaker 1: about to say something you know what I'm talking about, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then everyone and then the most all the most
Speaker 1: annoying kids would look at you and go like sh
Speaker 1: and it's like, fucking, I hope your head experience.
Speaker 2: There's like certain actions I feel like that are just
Speaker 2: like so to me as a Jewish person, like so
Speaker 2: Jewish is like such a Jewish thing.
Speaker 4: Okay, good, I'm glad. I'm glad.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm glad, I because I noticed that while I was,
Speaker 1: I have not been shushed since it is leaving the
Speaker 1: Jews since the last Jewish event I was at it.
Speaker 2: Did you have a bar Mitzvah?
Speaker 1: I did? I did have a bermtzva.
Speaker 2: Did you have a theme?
Speaker 1: I did? My the you know this is kind of tragic. Actually,
Speaker 1: my theme was the Los Angeles Lakers. Let me ask
Speaker 1: h how many Los Angeles Lakers games do you think
Speaker 1: I saw before I settled on that as the theme
Speaker 1: of my ber Mitzvah.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess a solid zero.
Speaker 1: Fucking one maybe. But here's the thing is, I was,
Speaker 1: I was really into video games, and but for some
Speaker 1: reason I was I was a very shy I was
Speaker 1: a really shy kid, and I as a kid, I
Speaker 1: I really it's funny because when I didn't want to
Speaker 1: draw any attention to myself, I didn't want to. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to like be as low key as possible.
Speaker 1: I think that's what it's like in middle school. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe not for some kids who were a little bit
Speaker 1: better socially and whatnot. But I just really didn't want
Speaker 1: to draw any attention to myself. So I'm like, let
Speaker 1: me just do a theme that is what everyone else
Speaker 1: is doing, because that's I was never and I'm not
Speaker 1: into sports. I was never into sports, but everyone was
Speaker 1: did these fucking sports bar mitzvahs. So I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, let me do a basketball one. We'll all
Speaker 1: sign a basketball. It could have been so much cooler, though.
Speaker 1: I could have had everyone signed a GameCube and we
Speaker 1: could have had the pack band table and the market.
Speaker 1: It would have been sweet. But I decided to I
Speaker 1: decided to conform. I even remember I for you know
Speaker 1: how you give you do the giveaways and stuff. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so my I remember wanting to make my sweatshirt as
Speaker 1: minimalistic as possible. It says LRD twelve eleven ten on it,
Speaker 1: and that's it. I didn't want any like graphics, I
Speaker 1: didn't want any like funny little things. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to be very minimal just for this weird thing of like,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to draw any attention there were no
Speaker 1: girls at buy my barmitzvah.
Speaker 2: There was one girl, and oh you didn't get to
Speaker 2: have like your first little dance or whatever.
Speaker 1: It was just there was only one girl. I wasn't
Speaker 1: friends with really like any girls except for this one
Speaker 1: girl from uh uh, from from sleep away camp who came.
Speaker 1: And I remember my mom like acknowledging that, like she
Speaker 1: was like, so there's something I fucking something where my
Speaker 1: mom had the microphone and she was like, and the
Speaker 1: one girl or something like she acknowledged the fact that
Speaker 1: there was only one. I remember feeling feeling embarrassed about that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but they're kind of embarrassing things, aren't they.
Speaker 2: Like if you don't like having a lot of attention
Speaker 2: on you, then it's pretty much your worst nightmare, right
Speaker 2: because like that's all it is. It's just like your
Speaker 2: name plastered on everything and so much attention on you.
Speaker 2: It's just awkward, I feel like. But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I never had one, so it was always
Speaker 2: super fun to go to other people and see kind
Speaker 2: of like what their thing was like. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I've always thought it was super fun.
Speaker 1: Here's a cool thing, my bar mitzvah, because really because
Speaker 1: there was no girls, Like, we didn't do a dance thing, right,
Speaker 1: because it's not a bunch of like both you know,
Speaker 1: twelve year old boys aren't. They're not really into like
Speaker 1: dancing to the hits, you know. So it was that
Speaker 1: we had it at Davon Busters and everyone got cars.
Speaker 1: They do bar Mitzvah's. We had a Davon Buster's bar
Speaker 1: Mitzvah and everybody.
Speaker 2: It was actually probably really fun because it was I
Speaker 2: was the one that was at a Gokar place and
Speaker 2: it was actually so much more fun than any.
Speaker 1: Of the other ones I went to, so much more
Speaker 1: fun than the dance party ones. We all had game
Speaker 1: cards and uh, it was it was cool. I looked
Speaker 1: like ship. My hair was even longer than it is now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: covered in pimples is bad, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like that sounds way more fun than the
Speaker 2: other ones I went to because they did like the
Speaker 2: because I don't know, I don't know what you guys
Speaker 2: called it, but here in the Chicago Sarvice we called
Speaker 2: it like a snowball dance. So like you'd basically just
Speaker 2: be like the boys would be in a circle facing
Speaker 2: outwards and then the girls would be in a circle
Speaker 2: outside the boys facing inwards, and then they'd say, like
Speaker 2: they'd play music, and then when they'd say snowball, you
Speaker 2: had to stand in front of the person who you
Speaker 2: landed on and like dance with them for a little bit.
Speaker 2: And seriously, it was the most awkward and embarrassing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was so awkward, and like the fact that like
Speaker 2: the boys knew that they kind of had to put
Speaker 2: their hands on your hips, but they would like barely
Speaker 2: touch your hips because they were scared. So you're just
Speaker 2: standing like two feet apart and it's just awkward, and
Speaker 2: there's a DJ and all the parents are watching you,
Speaker 2: so it's uncomfortable, and like that's just what we did.
Speaker 2: And then there was another, like another version of it.
Speaker 2: I guess, like it wasn't a game. It was just
Speaker 2: like whoever's bar about Mitzvah was. They would stand in
Speaker 2: the middle of all these other kids and then they'd
Speaker 2: like pick their first dance, and then whoever they picked
Speaker 2: for their first little snowball dance was like a huge
Speaker 2: deal because then everybody would assume that that was who
Speaker 2: you had a crush on. And then they'd say snowball,
Speaker 2: and then you'd pick another partner and then at some
Speaker 2: point kind of everybody's hand thing. But you'd be standing
Speaker 2: there and you'd be freaking out thinking when is somebody
Speaker 2: gonna pick me? And what if they don't, what am
Speaker 2: I gonna do?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: All the like, it's funny, I I all those kinds
Speaker 1: of anxieties that are very they're very specific to that
Speaker 1: time period in your life. You know, it's fine. I
Speaker 1: don't think about that stuff anymore because now I'm like,
Speaker 1: no one, nobody can know, nobody can scare me that
Speaker 1: much with social anxiety.
Speaker 2: No, definitely not.
Speaker 1: I know, it's funny. I'm gonna actually I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: this right now. I'll tell you this.
Speaker 5: So, uh, in.
Speaker 1: Back when I was getting kind of trained for my
Speaker 1: bar mitzva, what they would do is they would have
Speaker 1: you go to somebody else's bar mitzvah at the synagogue
Speaker 1: to like observe and see how they do it. And
Speaker 1: I was invited to this, well, I so I had
Speaker 1: to go to I wasn't invited, but I I I
Speaker 1: literally was not invited to the Spartsans bar metzvah, but
Speaker 1: I had to go to go to it because it
Speaker 1: was that we were at the same synagogue, and at
Speaker 1: this girls bar Mitzvah is like all these kids from
Speaker 1: my middle school who were like the popular kids, the
Speaker 1: lacrosse players whatever, and I was like scared of them,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't want to draw, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: be seen, I didn't want There's something about them, like
Speaker 1: it just scared me. And so I just kept like
Speaker 1: standing outside of the shool like looking in. Yeah you know,
Speaker 1: and and I was like having a panic attack. I
Speaker 1: like went into the to the restroom and I was
Speaker 1: like just hiding there like I didn't want to go in.
Speaker 1: And yeah, all right, and you know what's I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: You know, I want to talk about this right now,
Speaker 1: because I thought I was thinking about that story just
Speaker 1: now in my head. I was gonna tell it to you,
Speaker 1: and I thought I was over it, but dude, I
Speaker 1: was in Dude. I was in Hawaii for my tour.
Speaker 1: Yeah uh, you know, a week ago, and I was
Speaker 1: staying at a hostel and the hostel was having this
Speaker 1: like booze cruise event and I didn't have anything, I
Speaker 1: didn't have anything else going on.
Speaker 3: I was just there alone.
Speaker 1: So I was like, Okay, maybe I'll go to this,
Speaker 1: like Booze Cruise event with the hostel, and they were
Speaker 1: all meeting at the pier and I walked over to
Speaker 1: the I walked over to the pier, and I saw
Speaker 1: everybody who was gathered at the Booze Cruise, and it was.
Speaker 4: All these like.
Speaker 1: They're like like early twenties, like very attractive people who
Speaker 1: they just looked like they were on this like different
Speaker 1: et chelon or something like that, like they were like cool,
Speaker 1: yeah people whatever.
Speaker 4: Whatever.
Speaker 1: It was that same kind of thing from middle school.
Speaker 1: And I wore buy it and and I fuck it.
Speaker 1: I was doing the same thing a week ago that
Speaker 1: I did at the at the shool where I'm like
Speaker 1: looking in being like I don't know if I want
Speaker 1: to go in there. I don't I want to go
Speaker 1: in there. And so I just didn't go on the
Speaker 1: on the Booze Cruise.
Speaker 2: I just do you regret it though, Like do you
Speaker 2: wish you would have gone?
Speaker 1: Okay? So then the hostel had this whole like WhatsApp
Speaker 1: chat that I was in and then it's like midnight
Speaker 1: or so, oh it's the next day and everyone of
Speaker 1: the group chat is like dude, Memories for life were
Speaker 1: made on that Booze cruise. It was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this was so fun last night. So glad I went.
Speaker 1: Things got a little crazy and I was looking at
Speaker 1: it and I laughed. I was like, that's that's It
Speaker 1: felt very like a sitcomie thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, maybe maybe the next place that you go,
Speaker 2: like where you find yourself in a similar situation, you
Speaker 2: should just like really force yourself to go, just to
Speaker 2: like break that pattern. Like maybe it'll help to like
Speaker 2: reframe that in your head that like just because there's
Speaker 2: hot people doesn't mean that you're not allowed to go.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I mean like there's I have a lot of
Speaker 1: times in my life where I feel extremely socially confident,
Speaker 1: especially in you know, I mean I'm in all these
Speaker 1: scenarios nowadays where like it's my it's my universe, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I'm you know, like if I'm at like my
Speaker 1: my one of my live shows and I'm talking to people,
Speaker 1: it's like I feel very comfortable because it's like this,
Speaker 1: this is me socially existing in a universe that I've created,
Speaker 1: you know. Or if I'm at like you know whatever,
Speaker 1: something like that. But if I'm like if it's like
Speaker 1: a foreign country, fucking nobody knows. I don't know anybody.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm like, oh shit, I'm like nervous again,
Speaker 1: like I was in middle school. And I think in
Speaker 1: my head, I want to get two. I'd love to
Speaker 1: challenge myself get to that point where I feel and
Speaker 1: some days, a lot of days I do a lot
Speaker 1: of days I can just kind of walk into group
Speaker 1: people like, Hey, what's up, what's going on? Like I
Speaker 1: do have that ability, but some days, some days I don't.
Speaker 1: And I want to be able to make sure. I
Speaker 1: want to try to get to a point where I
Speaker 1: always feel comfortable just approaching a group of strangers or
Speaker 1: putting myself out there in that way. And it's cool
Speaker 1: because I think spending a lot of time in my
Speaker 1: own universe, you know it socializing with people, you know,
Speaker 1: in my Gecko suit, which even even when it's like
Speaker 1: strangers and I'm in my Gecko suit, it's still still
Speaker 1: my universe.
Speaker 2: But the Gecko suit is also like it almost it's
Speaker 2: like a disguise of some kinds, do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So it's like when you're not wearing your suit,
Speaker 2: it's like you don't have that disguise on. So it's
Speaker 2: almost like a harder for you to go and be
Speaker 2: that same person that you are with a cute and
Speaker 2: it's kind of like that I feel like.
Speaker 1: You know, so, I mean, I I'm like outside of
Speaker 1: the booze cruise thing, and I'm like and I'm saying
Speaker 1: to myselthing like fuck, I thought I was like I
Speaker 1: thought I passed that. I thought I thought I graduated
Speaker 1: from this. Yeah, you know, in some way, I thought
Speaker 1: I graduated from ever being like socially anxious again. But
Speaker 1: it was also about it was also kind of cool
Speaker 1: because it made me feel like I have more to
Speaker 1: more to develop, No, for sure, but also.
Speaker 2: Like nobody ever is like socially adapt all the time.
Speaker 2: You know, like you're gonna have off dage, and I
Speaker 2: feel like that's not a big deal. It's just like
Speaker 2: as long as you're like aware that you like want
Speaker 2: to do something or don't want to do something, you know,
Speaker 2: But like if nobody's expecting you to go and be
Speaker 2: social and go to every single booz crew, you could
Speaker 2: possibly go.
Speaker 1: No, but it's not about it's not about it. But
Speaker 1: that's it's not about other people expecting me. It's or
Speaker 1: it's not about what other people expect of me. It's
Speaker 1: about me.
Speaker 3: Yes, No, it's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a it's a desire within me to
Speaker 1: be like sure, dude, I I I fucking like being
Speaker 1: able to be like I can walk up to any person,
Speaker 1: any whatever group of people, anyone I think is interesting
Speaker 1: I want to talk to just fucking talk to them. No,
Speaker 1: and and what the nature of what I do makes
Speaker 1: that easier because there's there's like a context to it
Speaker 1: of like, hey, I'm here making a thing and that's
Speaker 1: my reason to be talking to you right now. But
Speaker 1: talking to somebody who you have no reason to talk
Speaker 1: to is like scary, you know. But even if you
Speaker 1: have any you know, if you at a hostel or
Speaker 1: you at a party or something. I think about it, like,
Speaker 1: if you're at a party or a bar or whatever,
Speaker 1: it's like everybody's there. People are usually there to meet
Speaker 1: other people.
Speaker 2: Which is people, and they most likely feel the same
Speaker 2: way you do.
Speaker 1: It's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 2: That's so fair.
Speaker 1: That was the most I've I think, uh in concession
Speaker 1: concession constantly. That's the most I think I've talked on
Speaker 1: this podcast.
Speaker 3: Just now. Oh cool.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that I could get that out of you.
Speaker 2: That's pretty sick for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like you're doing you're doing some therapy. Bela.
Speaker 2: Well, I was going to tell you my mom is
Speaker 2: a therapist and has been a therapist for most of
Speaker 2: my life, so I think I kind of have a
Speaker 2: little bit of an edge. We've also I've like we've
Speaker 2: listened to your podcast together before and yeah, and she's
Speaker 2: very like, oh, like, this guy's doing therapy and I
Speaker 2: have to explain to her multiple times, like no, mom, like,
Speaker 2: he's not a real therapist.
Speaker 1: What what does your mom think of? What does your
Speaker 1: mom think of my therapy?
Speaker 2: She do you remember when you had that episode with
Speaker 2: that girl and her boyfriend's a therapist?
Speaker 1: And yeah, she's like she thinks it's not a good idea.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, she doesn't
Speaker 2: think it's a bad idea. She she's fine with it.
Speaker 2: Like we were listening to an episode about like the
Speaker 2: guy who ran away to join the circus or whatever,
Speaker 2: and she like thought it was really entertaining. And I
Speaker 2: think she said that she likes how you ask a
Speaker 2: lot of questions, Like that's what she said. She was like,
Speaker 2: it seems like he's really genuinely interested in what people, like,
Speaker 2: what people's life stories are, and like what they're trying
Speaker 2: to say, and kind of like he's good at reading
Speaker 2: people kind of what she said. But I think she
Speaker 2: said that, I mean, this is just my mom though
Speaker 2: my mom's kind of crazy, but she was not. She
Speaker 2: said that the biggest mistake that most early therapists make
Speaker 2: is that they spend a lot of time asking other
Speaker 2: people questions and don't give them genuine time and space
Speaker 2: to like actually reflect on what they're saying. Do they
Speaker 2: ask questions because they don't know how to fill the
Speaker 2: silence kind of but like she I mean, but also
Speaker 2: like she's been a therapist for years, so like you
Speaker 2: can't expect yourself to be at this level obviously, but
Speaker 2: she was like, yeah, like you kind of need to
Speaker 2: learn how to like fill the silence and like let
Speaker 2: them sit in that silence a bit. But I mean,
Speaker 2: like you're not doing that kind of therapy, so like, well,
Speaker 2: how I feel like you have silences? Sometimes?
Speaker 1: Tell your mom I have more Twitch subscribers than her.
Speaker 2: You absolutely do, so you one hundred percent do, so
Speaker 2: don't even worry, Like you guys are on different levels.
Speaker 1: Well you said, you had a handful of things. We talked.
Speaker 1: We talked a pretty long time about being Jewish. Was
Speaker 1: there any other things in your handful of things that
Speaker 1: you wanted to talk about?
Speaker 2: Like a little bit, I like talked to the chat
Speaker 2: a little bit. I graduated from college and winter twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, and then I spent a few months working
Speaker 2: and then I actually, I actually lived in New Zealand
Speaker 2: for a year, so I went. I came back from
Speaker 2: New Zealand in June, and I like, I'm actually, I'm
Speaker 2: kind of mad at you, Loki, because you announced that
Speaker 2: you were going to New Zealand and Australia and I
Speaker 2: was so fucking excited to see you. And then I
Speaker 2: had to leave because my visa was over June seventh,
Speaker 2: so I had to go out of the country. And
Speaker 2: then you came later.
Speaker 1: What city are you in now?
Speaker 4: I'm in Chicago.
Speaker 2: I'm in the suburbs of Chicago.
Speaker 1: Oh fucking I'll be in Chicago in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you will. I actually, that's the other
Speaker 2: thing I was gonna say. And I was, this is
Speaker 2: a really good, good chance that we talked, because I
Speaker 2: low key DMD you on Instagram about this, but nobody
Speaker 2: Guilly didn't see it. I'm not mad or anything, but
Speaker 2: I have friends in Toronto, so I bought tickets to
Speaker 2: Toronto to see you because I knew you're coming there
Speaker 2: kind of soon, and I was like totally planning on going.
Speaker 2: But then I got back from New Zealand and I
Speaker 2: haven't been able to like find a like super steady job,
Speaker 2: so like now I don't think I can go to
Speaker 2: the Toronto show. So if anybody is in Toronto and
Speaker 2: wants to buy those tickets, like, there's tickets available now,
Speaker 2: so you should definitely do that. I think it's a
Speaker 2: ten pm show. But yeah, So I'm really upset because
Speaker 2: I almost saw you in New Zealand and then I've
Speaker 2: almost missed you in Canada.
Speaker 5: I will, I will four, I will, I will.
Speaker 1: Eventually I will come to where you are living and
Speaker 1: you will not have to leave the country to see
Speaker 1: me flail around in a gecko costume before your very
Speaker 1: human eyes.
Speaker 2: I know, and it's going to be like the greatest
Speaker 2: thing ever, and I'm super excited about it.
Speaker 3: Where did you?
Speaker 2: Where did you go when you came to Chicago.
Speaker 1: I went to the Lincoln Lodge, but I think next
Speaker 1: year I'll probably do a little bit bigger of a
Speaker 1: venue associated to Lincoln Lodge, like and Lodge are good homies.
Speaker 3: Second, no, no, no, I was just yeah.
Speaker 2: I just said, like Lincoln Hall is also other cool.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's I don't know what Lincoln Lodges.
Speaker 1: Maybe that is Lincoln Hall. Is that a big theater.
Speaker 2: Lincoln Hall. Yes, it's like like they do like live
Speaker 2: music and stuff there.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know if I'm I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm big enough to fill it but not. But I'm
Speaker 1: not big enough yet.
Speaker 2: It's a big place, so it's not huge. I mean,
Speaker 2: I feel like you could.
Speaker 1: Any final, any final things you want to say to
Speaker 1: people of the computer before we go.
Speaker 2: I always say yes to things.
Speaker 1: Except if somebody asks if they can kill you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's true. Say yes to things if
Speaker 2: there are things that you think you should do. And
Speaker 2: I don't know. You can always catch up on sleep.
Speaker 2: I feel like people people go to bud too early.
Speaker 2: You always catch up on sleep. Thanks for talking about
Speaker 2: Thanks for bringing up Hyle.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the I don't know. I wonder how
Speaker 1: many people who listen to this are Jewish that you know,
Speaker 1: really got it? Really We're in on on on on
Speaker 1: some of the hard, hard issues me and Bella were
Speaker 1: talking about. Hello, folks, it's Lyle. This concludes the phone
Speaker 1: call slash Judaism portion of this podcast and begins the
Speaker 1: portion of this podcast where we teleport to one of
Speaker 1: the most isolated big cities in the world, Perth, Australia,
Speaker 1: which is surrounded by miles and miles of uninhabitable forest,
Speaker 1: and yet people still manage to live there, eat food,
Speaker 1: look at each other and say words, just like they
Speaker 1: do all over the world. I was on as I
Speaker 1: was in Perth on tour this summer, and I and
Speaker 1: I took to the streets. I set up some chairs
Speaker 1: and some microphones and I managed to talk to some
Speaker 1: people there and that is what you are about to
Speaker 1: listen to their fun interviews. So strap in, We're going
Speaker 1: to talk to some real life people. Let's go to Australia.
Speaker 1: Oh goodness, what's your name man, Diego, Nice to meet you.
Speaker 1: What are you doing here in Perth?
Speaker 5: Starting cool?
Speaker 4: Do you live here?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: What what are you studying?
Speaker 5: Current zoology?
Speaker 4: Okay? What kind what kind of gecko? Do you am. I,
Speaker 4: here's a test.
Speaker 5: Getting lion gecko.
Speaker 1: You passed, thank you, here's your degree. Just kidding, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't have that kind of authority, although I
Speaker 1: don't know I got how hard I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: I don't have that kind of authority? But how hard
Speaker 1: is it to become be authorized to give out zoology
Speaker 1: degrees and perth?
Speaker 4: I feel like it's easy, right.
Speaker 5: I would say it's easy because it feels like everyone
Speaker 5: just giving them out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not too.
Speaker 5: Much of a like a degity base thing. It's like
Speaker 5: if you read books about animals, you won't know about animals.
Speaker 5: You gonna like go when I touch them?
Speaker 1: And just like you've ever seen. When I was a child,
Speaker 1: there were advertisements all over.
Speaker 4: TV for this thing called zoo books.
Speaker 1: You know, zoo books is maybe it was an American thing,
Speaker 1: but there's things called zoo books and you would send
Speaker 1: a check for like twenty dollars in the mail and
Speaker 1: then every week they would send you a book about
Speaker 1: a different animal.
Speaker 3: Oh that's hype, Yeah that's nice. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So maybe I don't know, Maybe you can you can
Speaker 1: probably learn everything you need to know for your zoology.
Speaker 4: Career from the Zoo books.
Speaker 1: Maybe by the way, of course, it's it's Lachland again.
Speaker 1: Of course. Crap. What was they saying to you?
Speaker 4: No, you know you never apologize for anything the Zoo books.
Speaker 4: What are you planning to do with your degree in zoology?
Speaker 5: An excuse to go to places?
Speaker 1: An excuse together?
Speaker 3: Places?
Speaker 4: What places?
Speaker 5: Africa, Antarctica, the Amazon?
Speaker 1: Oh ship? That sounds cool, man, Maybe I'll do being
Speaker 1: a gecko in Antarctica one day.
Speaker 4: Are there people.
Speaker 1: Chilling down there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of scientists.
Speaker 1: Why how long have you lived in Perth for?
Speaker 3: Were you born here?
Speaker 5: Not two years? Moved from Panama?
Speaker 4: From Panama?
Speaker 1: Why Perth?
Speaker 5: Low standards?
Speaker 4: Low standards, low standards. Why is that?
Speaker 5: Why?
Speaker 4: Low standards?
Speaker 5: I couldn't get into Bristol. I felt that I couldn't
Speaker 5: get into Queensland University does mainly look too boring and
Speaker 5: the only middle ground of birth.
Speaker 1: So you are here because you're literally here because it
Speaker 1: was your last option. Yeah, damn, it's a bummer.
Speaker 5: Sorry, birth, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: What are you having fun here? It's a cool city.
Speaker 4: I lie, I like it a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, on a are for five minutes.
Speaker 5: But I like the crackeads. Yeah, have you seen crackets?
Speaker 5: I've seen a few.
Speaker 1: The politically correct term is people who.
Speaker 4: Like to smoke crack.
Speaker 5: People who like to smoke crack.
Speaker 4: You've seen a lot of Yes, people who like smoke.
Speaker 5: People who like to smoke crack. Believe I also like
Speaker 5: to smoke crack, and ask me if I have cracked
Speaker 5: to smoke with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the thing. I by the way, I get
Speaker 1: people who like to smoke crack. Have you ever smoked crack?
Speaker 5: I have a smoked truck. I've been offer cracked. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I thart it's very beneficial for your mental health, but
Speaker 5: not crack.
Speaker 4: Yeah, crack? Okay, the universe.
Speaker 1: They really are teaching some stuff at the University of Birth.
Speaker 1: Where did you learn that crack was benef ishu for
Speaker 1: your mental health?
Speaker 5: From a crack enjoyer?
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 5: He was telling me he had less depression of anxiety,
Speaker 5: just over all better life as a crack enjoyer.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Did he kind of sell you on it a little bit?
Speaker 5: Almost?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're thinking about it.
Speaker 3: Think about it.
Speaker 1: It's like if you went to your therapist and there
Speaker 1: and you were like, hey, the SSRIs do not working.
Speaker 5: Do you have any crack. I've further doing it. Like
Speaker 5: something was like where you take meth?
Speaker 1: You heard they're doing something where you take math.
Speaker 5: Yes, where the therapy where you take myth to relax,
Speaker 5: meth therapy, meth therapy.
Speaker 1: What can make sense because there's MDMA therapy, there's like
Speaker 1: mushroom therapy and all that stuff. Meth therapy, meth therapy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not a bad idea.
Speaker 4: Would you would you do that?
Speaker 5: I haven't been pushed to that point, so no, no
Speaker 5: so far, But I am one to in a safe
Speaker 5: control environment, I wouldn't say no.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know, I kind of think that. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I get the people on the streets who are doing math,
Speaker 1: because I look, I'm a curious guy. I like new
Speaker 1: life experiences. I like doing stuff. I could totally see
Speaker 1: myself getting addicted to cracker math. I am no different
Speaker 1: from those guys. I could it could I could totally
Speaker 1: be doing that.
Speaker 5: I feel there's a difference because like I feel, to
Speaker 5: like start doing hard drugs, you need to be in
Speaker 5: a low point in life, sure, and so like I
Speaker 5: feel someone could do like a hard drug, math, crack
Speaker 5: and things like that and still get out of it
Speaker 5: if a normal life is like better. It's like I
Speaker 5: could be doing crack or I could be going around
Speaker 5: chilling eating ice cream.
Speaker 1: You feel like going around chilling eating ice cream is
Speaker 1: your crack.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's crack.
Speaker 1: It's better than crack.
Speaker 5: Can say that again, eating ice cream better than crack.
Speaker 5: There's this great ice cream plittho on here? I what
Speaker 5: you think ice cream better than crack? I haven't. There's
Speaker 5: a crack bood.
Speaker 1: Hey, I got one crack flavored ice cream.
Speaker 5: I don't recording what tastes good? You know they taste
Speaker 5: good because cracks just baked cocaine.
Speaker 1: For a guy who's never smoked crack, you seem to
Speaker 1: know a lot about crack.
Speaker 5: I've been curious enough about it to licks research.
Speaker 1: You know. Here's the thing, though, So in your research
Speaker 1: my research, did you find out anything that.
Speaker 4: Would be kind of made you want to do it?
Speaker 5: M hm shooms. But I feel like that that's like
Speaker 5: a introductory cycle that like.
Speaker 1: In Panama, how's crack? Is the crack going on over there?
Speaker 5: So much crack? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like more than hair much more like? Yeah, okay, did
Speaker 1: you ever do any cocaine or crack?
Speaker 5: Panama haven't been offered a lot. You know, it's like
Speaker 5: a you're like with your friends chilling like one cocaine.
Speaker 5: I'm like, no, I think it's getting late, and then
Speaker 5: you leave.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you know when to you leave the party
Speaker 1: right before it starts.
Speaker 5: Just before the yeah, before the good party begins. I'm like,
Speaker 5: I gotta go eat ice creting?
Speaker 4: Are you a party person?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: What do you like to do in your free time?
Speaker 5: I don't know. I do have free time, and then
Speaker 5: I go to my room. I do something like I
Speaker 5: go to my bed, I lay in bed, I get up.
Speaker 5: It's gone.
Speaker 1: You go to your bed, you lay in bed and
Speaker 1: it's gone, it's gone. What's gone?
Speaker 5: The time?
Speaker 2: M hm?
Speaker 4: Do you are you happy? Do you like life?
Speaker 1: What would make it better?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Make life better? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Less law less laws?
Speaker 3: Less laws?
Speaker 1: Like what what law do you want to get rid of?
Speaker 5: Trespassing?
Speaker 1: Where do you want to trespass that this laws prevent?
Speaker 5: I don't want to. I want to walk, like into
Speaker 5: other people's homes, like, oh, the factory, why can't I
Speaker 5: be here?
Speaker 1: You want to be able to go into a factory?
Speaker 3: Fact?
Speaker 1: What kind of factory?
Speaker 5: I think in factory?
Speaker 1: Any factory. You want to go into a candy factory? Well,
Speaker 1: actually I heard there's there's a guy who's he's gonna
Speaker 1: let five people into his candy factory. If but do
Speaker 1: they have to each find a golden ticket?
Speaker 3: Oh? Damn fuck?
Speaker 4: You really want to?
Speaker 2: Do?
Speaker 1: You really want to?
Speaker 3: Where?
Speaker 1: Where else do you want to trespass.
Speaker 3: Me?
Speaker 4: Seems you can just go in for free.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but like I feel, that night is a better
Speaker 5: vibe to it.
Speaker 1: You know, you've ever seen that's not true? You ever
Speaker 1: seen the movie The Night at the Museum. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: fucked up in there.
Speaker 3: Vibes.
Speaker 4: It's not good vibes. It's not good vibes at all.
Speaker 1: I don't don't think. I don't think. Look at Diego, Diego.
Speaker 1: You seem like a nice guy.
Speaker 4: You really do, thank you. But I don't think you'd
Speaker 4: last five seconds. And at the Night of the Museum.
Speaker 5: Would I would thrive?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 1: And you would get killed?
Speaker 5: No? No, no, no, right? Because see the thing everybody
Speaker 5: and the with hostile charge opinions. No one is open minded.
Speaker 5: I'm open minded. Oh my gosh, I'm a Roman emperor
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna decapolicate.
Speaker 3: Some kids.
Speaker 5: Are you, are you gonna help me? Or no, I
Speaker 5: won't help you, but I will. But I want to
Speaker 5: pose you why because he has an army.
Speaker 1: I don't know if surviving in the Night of the
Speaker 1: Museum is about being open minded. I think it's about
Speaker 1: unique because here's the thing. The guy who wants to
Speaker 1: behead kids. What's the Roman emperor who wants to behead kids?
Speaker 1: It's one of those guys.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: He's not going to ask you whether or not you're
Speaker 1: You're just in his way between him and he just
Speaker 1: wants to behead. He didn't even care for their kids.
Speaker 1: But like, but the think so he'll behead you immediately.
Speaker 5: As a person, as an equal, or like as a
Speaker 5: background character. Am I just here to see what's gonna happen?
Speaker 5: Or am I here to play a role in?
Speaker 1: Also, it's not just guys. There's lions and elephants running
Speaker 1: around and they and they cannot be reasoned with at all.
Speaker 5: But I have but I just asology, I can pick
Speaker 5: the lions and elephants.
Speaker 4: That's a good point.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that. Okay, maybe you would survive at
Speaker 1: the Night at the Museum.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: What's your name? Again, Diego, Is there anything else you
Speaker 1: want to say to the people of the computer before
Speaker 1: we go?
Speaker 5: Yes, we need a Bible too, Oh, like a sequel
Speaker 5: to the Bible.
Speaker 4: I think you're the guy to write it.
Speaker 3: Thank you, and in it.
Speaker 1: You can prophesize for a new society, perhaps one to
Speaker 1: be built right here, Perhaps one to be built right
Speaker 1: here in Western Australia where crack and trespassing are fully legal. Yes,
Speaker 1: you already got you already, got you already got one
Speaker 1: twelve year old on board fifteen fifteen, many years and
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, all right, start this in three years
Speaker 1: when they're voting age.
Speaker 4: What's your name again, diego?
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for talking to the get go dude.
Speaker 3: I was just kind of sitting there because, like I thought,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't go straight off to work, because it feels
Speaker 3: nice to have someone that's really excited to talk to you,
Speaker 3: like you lit up when when I'm just somebody coming
Speaker 3: through and you lit up, like oh my god, it's rowing.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, no, you were.
Speaker 1: You were walking by while I was setting up and
Speaker 1: you came over to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I did.
Speaker 4: I did light up.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, somebody is willing to do
Speaker 1: because a lot of the times I'll sit down and
Speaker 1: nobody will want to talk to me, and you seem
Speaker 1: like a friendly guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, I'm not too I'm not amazing really yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, like on the scale of things, I kind
Speaker 3: of even out in some places, you know, like I
Speaker 3: don't earn that much money, but you know, I read
Speaker 3: so like it's I'm sorry. I'm kind of thinking of
Speaker 3: like a dating sphere of like.
Speaker 4: I have oh sure, oh your sexual marketplace?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, do you have?
Speaker 4: How where do you think you lay on.
Speaker 3: On that like a like a solid like around about seven,
Speaker 3: like a bit above average.
Speaker 4: That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Do you or you want any of the dating apps? Uh? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. It's funny though, Perth is a bit of
Speaker 3: a puddle. So I've run into the issue with Tinder
Speaker 3: where I'm starting to circle back on people and you
Speaker 3: in high school, and so I've stopped looking hmm okay,
Speaker 3: because I don't think that's I forget how close you
Speaker 3: have to be to assure microphone no you get is
Speaker 3: all good?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I think so testing went to yeah, we're good,
Speaker 1: We're good.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So I've kind of circled back on like
Speaker 3: people on you from high school, and I'm just not
Speaker 3: going down that route because, like I used to live
Speaker 3: way further south of here, and so I've moved up
Speaker 3: here so I don't have to run into those people anymore.
Speaker 3: And this probably isn't helping, but I've just like kind
Speaker 3: of escaped that area now, so I don't need to
Speaker 3: go back.
Speaker 4: You know, what kind of person where you like in
Speaker 4: high school?
Speaker 3: Just a bit of a nerd, just like a bit
Speaker 3: of an attention seeker.
Speaker 1: Interesting nerd and attention seeker don't typically go together. Typically
Speaker 1: when you think of a nerd, you think of somebody
Speaker 1: that's a little bit more reserved and introverted. But yet
Speaker 1: you were a nerd attention seeker.
Speaker 3: How that worked well? Kind of like you spend your
Speaker 3: first part of high school kind of being a bit introverted,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't talk to anyone, But then you
Speaker 3: get to the end of high school, like year eleven,
Speaker 3: that kind of thing you realize I don't have that
Speaker 3: many friends, or the friends that I do have are
Speaker 3: a bit like people that don't shower enough. So you
Speaker 3: kind of like try and step out of yourself, but
Speaker 3: you're not practiced it, so by the end of high school,
Speaker 3: you're kind of like you're trying to step out of yourself,
Speaker 3: but you're not really used to it. Like right now,
Speaker 3: I'm a bit nervous, and this is just like being
Speaker 3: on camera, Like I'm still a fairly interested person. Like
Speaker 3: having to step out of yourself and forcing yourself, you
Speaker 3: become a bit of an attention seeker, and you start
Speaker 3: like quoting comedic bits at people, like a bit like
Speaker 3: almost like people who are really edgy teenagers. Yeah, kind
Speaker 3: of like a lashing out thing, but not in the
Speaker 3: same way where I didn't like screen racial.
Speaker 1: Says, Okay, so you were a little bit nervous, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so it caused you to desire to seek attention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like I didn't know what to do,
Speaker 3: so I just became center of attention kind of person.
Speaker 1: That how I think a lot of like traditional cringiness
Speaker 1: maybe is born is like people who are nervous or
Speaker 1: a little bit awkward, like yeah, trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how to validate their own existence. So they'll like make
Speaker 1: noises and how like wolves and stuff, And I get it.
Speaker 4: I don't fault those people.
Speaker 3: I think cringe is more more of a thing. I
Speaker 3: don't necessarily think I was being cringe. I think it's
Speaker 3: more of a thing of self awareness.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like I think when you say, like someone howling like
Speaker 3: a wolf, it's because they've like spent a lot of
Speaker 3: time on the internet, and like that's a niche that
Speaker 3: they've found themselves in, that's a community that they've like
Speaker 3: delved into, and they don't necessarily the self awareness of
Speaker 3: seeing themselves through other people's eyes, And that's where the
Speaker 3: cringe comes from.
Speaker 1: You know, are you dating anyone now?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: I no, you hesitated for a second.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I like you are you?
Speaker 1: You're like you you're talking going to someone, you're talking
Speaker 1: to someone.
Speaker 3: It goes in and out. Like I feel like I'm
Speaker 3: a bit of a quitter. So like if there's not
Speaker 3: the right amount of energy, I'm pretty quit quick, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm I.
Speaker 1: No no, I So like when it comes to that
Speaker 1: that energy being a quitter when it comes to relationships
Speaker 1: or to jobs or two things like that, I'm wondering
Speaker 1: that you could make arguments for and against that, and
Speaker 1: you could be right for both of them. Because if
Speaker 1: a relationship is not working and making you happy off
Speaker 1: the bat, or a job is not working for you
Speaker 1: off the bat, then you know why stay?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, like my resume looks like shit
Speaker 3: because I've had a bunch of different jobs just a month.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I used to be like a trade assistant,
Speaker 3: so like I was just bouncing around different places and
Speaker 3: rocking out Quanani you know. So, yeah, my resume looks
Speaker 3: like shit. But I think when it comes to dating,
Speaker 3: it's like just it's it is a bit of a
Speaker 3: throwing darts at the dark board, and like the minute
Speaker 3: I start like feeling like the energy is not there,
Speaker 3: which I suppose you to like give it a second.
Speaker 1: You could you could really argue either way on that
Speaker 1: because like I don't know, some people maybe they'll stay
Speaker 1: in a relationship for a little bit too long, just
Speaker 1: trying to make it work. But you, I don't know
Speaker 1: that it's a really complicated thing because some people could
Speaker 1: argue that you need to put in work to make
Speaker 1: things work, and other people would argue that if it's right,
Speaker 1: it's right.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's also I just hate gambling. I'm not I'm
Speaker 3: not a big sunk cost fallacy person. It's just the minute,
Speaker 3: the minute, this is not it I'm like, scratchy's never
Speaker 3: been my thing, or like the poker slots. I've never
Speaker 3: liked gambling, So maybe I just kind of trail that
Speaker 3: along everything. You know, what is your thing?
Speaker 4: What do you what do you do?
Speaker 1: What makes you tick?
Speaker 3: Oh? At the moment, it's Warhammer like forty K Is.
Speaker 1: That a board game?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh it's yeah. It's it's almost like do you
Speaker 3: know the old like World War two simulation games where
Speaker 3: people would have a bunch of like green men and
Speaker 3: they'd like roll dice and I.
Speaker 1: Know, I know Call of Duty.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, it'd be kind of like ans play like
Speaker 3: turn based kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it's it's like real note shit, It's like,
Speaker 1: is like do you on your tender profile? No, you
Speaker 1: don't mention that this is like that's like a deep stafe.
Speaker 1: I'm only saying it now because you seem like a
Speaker 1: nice person.
Speaker 4: See I actually I can.
Speaker 3: I I don't.
Speaker 4: I try not to give unsolicited advice to off. Can
Speaker 4: I give you into this?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: I think you should. I think the thing that you
Speaker 4: think is the deep thing you open with it.
Speaker 1: I think it would save you a lot more time,
Speaker 1: because if you're waiting until like the third date, to
Speaker 1: show her your closet full of Warhammer figures.
Speaker 4: That's a waste to tell.
Speaker 1: You should open with the have, don't don't have just
Speaker 1: your first picture on tender, not even you in it,
Speaker 1: just the closet of the warham Yeah, because then look,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. You're gonna get a lot of You're
Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of swipe lefts right, but you're
Speaker 1: gonna get the right kind of right quality. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing with relationships. I mean, you only need one
Speaker 1: person for it. You can have you can have literally
Speaker 1: every single woman in the world despise you except for one,
Speaker 1: and you're good.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then you build a little fort and you
Speaker 3: like you set up on a hill, well defended position.
Speaker 3: Then everyone else that despises you can't get closer anymore
Speaker 3: because you've got a well defended position, a bit of
Speaker 3: a modern Bailey situation, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you're you're playing Warhammer in real life
Speaker 1: exactly defending your tower.
Speaker 3: Except then you're just committing a bit of a slaughter.
Speaker 4: What's life in Pertha?
Speaker 3: Like it's a bit boring? Yeah, Why it's well, you
Speaker 3: on a weekday, there's not really much you can do.
Speaker 3: But that being said, if you've got a car, plenty
Speaker 3: of things you can do. You go on a hike.
Speaker 3: But like it's not exactly like Sidney Melbourne, where you
Speaker 3: just go into the city, go to a bunch of
Speaker 3: bookshops that kind of thing, because like everything in Perth
Speaker 3: is kind of a chain. Perth isn't super independent, whereas
Speaker 3: Freeo is a bit wanky.
Speaker 1: Now Perth is it's the most isolated city in the world, right,
Speaker 1: Is that true?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Is does it feel isolated?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Recently the band oderber K Beaver, Japanese punk band, has
Speaker 3: come to Australia, but they're only doing East Coast shows
Speaker 3: and that's very common. Like it's souper for your boy.
Speaker 1: It's not exactly so kind of show. I came all
Speaker 1: the way here to do, dude, I fucking I think
Speaker 1: there's like I think I sold like two hundred something
Speaker 1: tickets in Perth. Damn right, I'm like, who the fuck
Speaker 1: on Berth? Who the fuck in this random city on
Speaker 1: the coast of Australia is coming to see me do this? Well?
Speaker 3: To be fair, because there's not much going on. There's
Speaker 3: like there is like a decent amount of people that
Speaker 3: just spend a lot of time online. Yeah, so like
Speaker 3: I do go to concerts, Like when I was eighteen,
Speaker 3: I went to a ninja sex party. Yeah, they came
Speaker 3: to Perth and like that was like a fully packed
Speaker 3: thing and I wouldn't have expected that. But it's just
Speaker 3: kind of like there's there's not much to do in
Speaker 3: Perth aside from being an alcoholic sometimes, which is uh so,
Speaker 3: like it's a the entirety of Western Australia spans like
Speaker 3: the biggest state in the entire country, so people will
Speaker 3: come from all around, but the further you go out,
Speaker 3: the more likely it is, like your hobby is will
Speaker 3: roll around the internet or like killing.
Speaker 6: Cows, killing cows, yeah, like recreationally or I'm just thinking
Speaker 6: like farming, like like is farming a hobby or is
Speaker 6: it like a I mean they do that everywhere.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, my friend's mother owns a what do
Speaker 3: you call it? A rescue and recently they had to
Speaker 3: they had to put down a cow because they had
Speaker 3: like cow cancer, because it was that old that it
Speaker 3: had cow cancer and like it was this thing that
Speaker 3: weighed like two tons too metric and a dairy farmer
Speaker 3: had to come through from the local and bring a
Speaker 3: rifle and gun it down.
Speaker 4: All right, so you should both.
Speaker 1: Here's what I think. You open on the Tinder profile.
Speaker 1: You open with the closet of warhammer figures, and then
Speaker 1: first date you open with the story about your friend's
Speaker 1: mom and that way, and if she's still there, she's
Speaker 1: the one.
Speaker 3: But I think at the same time, coming off a
Speaker 3: bit too strong immediately and someone's staying around with that
Speaker 3: is I don't know if I agree, but.
Speaker 4: Say something about them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because like if I'm immediately like I love you,
Speaker 3: I love you, my friend's dead cow and you're like,
Speaker 3: that's a really cool thing to bring up on the
Speaker 3: first date. I love that. Yeah, I don't necessarily know
Speaker 3: that I want to stay with that person, So I think, like,
Speaker 3: necessarily you still need to be a little timid.
Speaker 1: But look, you and I both know in the most
Speaker 1: isolated city in the world, can you be that picky?
Speaker 3: No, it's a puddle, Yeah, it's a puddle.
Speaker 4: What did where?
Speaker 3: You said?
Speaker 1: So when I first talked to you, you're on your
Speaker 1: way to work.
Speaker 4: What do you work?
Speaker 3: Down can Away housing place?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you?
Speaker 2: What do you?
Speaker 1: What do you?
Speaker 4: What do you house.
Speaker 3: Uh all the fresh projuice of calls around the state.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was wondering how you guys like get food
Speaker 1: here and ship? I'm so dumb, dude, Oh do you
Speaker 1: I hear a dumb I am?
Speaker 3: I am?
Speaker 1: I I saw like, all right, so I just got
Speaker 1: I literally just got here out here less than twenty
Speaker 1: four hours ago. And when I go to a new place,
Speaker 1: I'm so dumb that everything I see, no matter what
Speaker 1: it is, I'm like, oh that they do that here.
Speaker 1: So I saw this girl in the park take a
Speaker 1: can of Red Bull and pour it into a bottle
Speaker 1: of chocolate milk, and I was like, oh cool, they
Speaker 1: do that here.
Speaker 3: This is that's like an Australian thing. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: no respect, but I think that might be an American thing.
Speaker 4: I think more like Americans.
Speaker 5: I talk to.
Speaker 3: Americans online and that definitely seems like an American thing.
Speaker 1: What do Australia, what do you what do you? What
Speaker 1: do you guys think of America here? What's the American image?
Speaker 3: A bit ship? Yeah, A bit ship? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like I mean like it's not as bad as
Speaker 3: like Americans and europe Europeans hate Americans.
Speaker 2: They do.
Speaker 1: I did this all over Europe and they hate America. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't think highly, but it's like.
Speaker 3: A it's like a light British seasoning kind of like
Speaker 3: not hatred for America, but like those dumb Yanks and
Speaker 3: a stupid imperial system.
Speaker 1: You guys got to cool down here because you're all
Speaker 1: you're just all the way over there, so people, you
Speaker 1: get to just observe the rest of the world as
Speaker 1: it does its thing, and you're like you're like the
Speaker 1: fly on the wall of the world.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: The only thing is like because because the Internet is
Speaker 3: so strong nowadays, culture is is like a bit different here,
Speaker 3: like yeah, of course.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I used to say, I think like Australia was about
Speaker 3: ten years behind the curve on everything till about the
Speaker 3: y two K era and onwards, where like as smartphones
Speaker 3: came out, like culture has just kept eye to eye
Speaker 3: with America and Australia kind of thing, where like you
Speaker 3: see people around here dress kind of the same way
Speaker 3: they would in America of like you know, the baggy
Speaker 3: the baggy jeans and like the shirt and like the
Speaker 3: Carhart jackets. I've seen car Heart way more in the
Speaker 3: last two years than I ever have in my entire life.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know it was a brand till two years.
Speaker 1: What is it, Carhart, I've never heard of that car Heart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, also car Hat. It might be the way i'm
Speaker 3: saying it.
Speaker 1: I've never I've never heard it. I'm not even there's
Speaker 1: not even anything that you're saying that sounds like it's
Speaker 1: close to that.
Speaker 3: Mmmmm. No, that's fair, that's fair. What makes you happy?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: A good book, A good book, A good book.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the last good book you've read. Are you
Speaker 4: better pull out of book?
Speaker 1: This man, by the way has a green backpack. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you can see it on the camera,
Speaker 1: but oh, let me see, let me see this book.
Speaker 1: What we got here?
Speaker 3: The rust of wild Matter, the root of wild Matter.
Speaker 1: It's chasing the history, mystery and lore of the Persian carpet.
Speaker 3: You're I think someone just followed on you.
Speaker 4: Someone just farted on.
Speaker 3: Someone just lift on you. That went that they're going, now, oh, well.
Speaker 4: Good, that's see, that's that's what they do. That here,
Speaker 4: that's a blessing. It's a good see.
Speaker 1: I don't know any I don't know anything about Australia.
Speaker 1: So in that moment, you could have told me like, oh,
Speaker 1: that is a good that's a blessing. That means that
Speaker 1: they like you, or that you're gonna it's good luck.
Speaker 1: You could have told me it's good luck when somebody
Speaker 1: in Australia farts on you, and I would have been like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, hell yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Think I think on my face right now, I think
Speaker 3: if I wasn't to lie to you. The one thing
Speaker 3: you should probably know is when people say how you going,
Speaker 3: that just means high how you going? Yeah, When people
Speaker 3: just say how you going, they don't actually want you
Speaker 3: to answer, like you have to extend the conversation to
Speaker 3: tell them how you're going. That's everywhere, That's everywhere, everywhere,
Speaker 3: that's everywhere. Yeah. Oh I thought that was just like.
Speaker 4: How you going?
Speaker 1: That sounds like a nervous person combining the phrase how
Speaker 1: are you doing and how is it going?
Speaker 3: I mean half the half the dialectics of Australian.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're reading an entire book about yes, yeah, Rsian Carpet.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I got really into like like Afghan war rugs
Speaker 3: about like three months ago, and I ordered this book
Speaker 3: immediately after that because I read through the Wikipedia paid
Speaker 3: for Afghan carpets, and then I went down a bit
Speaker 3: of a rabbit hole about them, and so this is
Speaker 3: just a book about like exploring Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Iraq,
Speaker 3: Pakistan and that kind of places about like the carpet
Speaker 3: trade there.
Speaker 1: This should be the second.
Speaker 3: This should be the second.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this should be the second thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're currently reading a.
Speaker 4: Two hundred plus page book about carpets.
Speaker 3: It's a very good book.
Speaker 1: It actually I was reading no, actually, I'm looking into
Speaker 1: it and it's like it looks like it's like a travelogue,
Speaker 1: like it's not just yeah, no, no, it's it's not
Speaker 1: just two hundred pages of carpet fans.
Speaker 3: It's got it's got yeah, it's got chapters that are
Speaker 3: like purely factual, and then other chapters but like he
Speaker 3: talks about going into I think like an Iranian hotel
Speaker 3: or something. And then the lobby, the guy turns on
Speaker 3: the TV and he was watching like pawn previously, and
Speaker 3: it comes up like a bunch of German women playing
Speaker 3: basketball naked, and it's like a little gag in there,
Speaker 3: and he's like, oh my god, those those Pakistani workers.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Yeah, Okay, Well there's a lot. There's a
Speaker 3: lot to learn of this. There's a little excerpts about
Speaker 3: the poet Havez who Havez. He's a poet from I
Speaker 3: think a while ago that I don't remember, and like
Speaker 3: apparently it's a tradition in uh some countries to like
Speaker 3: at the start of the day, open one of Havez's
Speaker 3: book books of poetry to a a certain page or
Speaker 3: like a random page, and that's like your initiation for
Speaker 3: the day kind of thing. What do you do?
Speaker 1: You know any of his poems like by hope?
Speaker 3: No? Oh, well, I the one I remembered, the one
Speaker 3: I've been like stuck on recently is the words you
Speaker 3: speak of the house you live in?
Speaker 4: What is the thesis of that?
Speaker 3: Well? Like, the things you say are like who you become.
Speaker 3: Like your words are quite powerful, and what you say
Speaker 3: is what you mean and what you become. And it's
Speaker 3: a bit like what you what you eat is who
Speaker 3: you are.
Speaker 1: What you eat is who you are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope not or like whatever your mum used
Speaker 3: to say when you're younger, Oh you are what you eat? Yeah. Sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm terrible. I'm terrible saying.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know I'm hungry jacks. Yeah, It's just Burger King,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Okay? I thought it was a different thing.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, it's Burger King's like really different
Speaker 3: all over the world I found.
Speaker 1: So you were talking about poetry, yeah for a while.
Speaker 1: You take you're talking about poetry for a while, and
Speaker 1: I paused for a second because I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how to keep up
Speaker 1: this conversation. Better change the topic to fast food.
Speaker 3: I can really keep up.
Speaker 1: American before we go, Yes, what's your dream in life?
Speaker 3: What's my dream in life? Starting a record label?
Speaker 4: Starting a record label?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I like how very your interests are Persian carpets, music,
Speaker 1: war hammer.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I just grab on anything that seems mildly
Speaker 3: interesting and just dig deep into it.
Speaker 1: What kind of music do you want to make for
Speaker 1: this record label?
Speaker 3: Ooh, ska ska, genuinely ska and like emo, like Midwest.
Speaker 4: Emo, Midwest emo?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Are you oh yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like have you ever heard a glass beach? No? They
Speaker 3: do like an emo electronica jazz kind of fusion. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's pretty fun, m M with.
Speaker 1: As soon as you started talking about emo music, I
Speaker 1: was like in my head, like how am I gonna
Speaker 1: bring this around already? The boys inside my head?
Speaker 4: Are you emo? A little bit oh?
Speaker 3: Back in high school? Definitely? Okay.
Speaker 4: You seem like you seem you seem like you're doing well.
Speaker 3: Are you doing well? I'm like a bit destitute when
Speaker 3: it comes to money, But aside from now, I'm doing well.
Speaker 1: You were telling how much is your rent per month?
Speaker 3: Here? And for me the split is full ways of
Speaker 3: five hundred bucks a week.
Speaker 1: Five hundred bucks of what what is that a month?
Speaker 3: That'd mean yeah, that'd be two grand all off a month.
Speaker 1: Two grand a month split by four, Yeah, so five
Speaker 1: hundred bucks a month times point two, what's two thirds
Speaker 1: of five hundred dollars? I'm converting it to United States currency,
Speaker 1: that's like three hundred something dollars.
Speaker 3: I hate I hate them.
Speaker 4: That's pretty good.
Speaker 3: I hate the number three.
Speaker 1: You hate the numbers.
Speaker 3: I genuinely have a scourge against the number three. If you,
Speaker 3: if you there, you can't make a hole with a
Speaker 3: fraction of a third. It's nine to nine nine recurring.
Speaker 1: Loves Warhammer, Persian carpets. Emo music hates the number three.
Speaker 3: I like that you grappled onto music of a sky
Speaker 3: usually people grapple onto ska music.
Speaker 1: There's a all right, so don't look, but there's some here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're wondering what they're gonna ask you for.
Speaker 1: Like they're letting me. They're letting they're not they haven't
Speaker 1: yet out here yet. Yeah, they're still staring at us.
Speaker 1: This might be the shortest episode of this I've ever done.
Speaker 3: That would be unfortunately. I mean, you could always go
Speaker 3: to a park.
Speaker 1: I might just go over there to the cactus. Or
Speaker 1: I might just post this and just be like, I
Speaker 1: talked to one guy and Perth, because you're the perfect
Speaker 1: guy to talk to.
Speaker 4: If I'm only going to talk to one guy.
Speaker 3: If you, if you, that'd be amazing. If I could
Speaker 3: just post, just send that to people like.
Speaker 4: Just just you, it might it might be we'll see.
Speaker 1: At the end of this conversation, I'm almost like, let's
Speaker 1: just keep talking for another forty minutes.
Speaker 5: That way.
Speaker 1: I it's cool that they're I'm not looking. It's cool
Speaker 1: that they're letting us finish this conversation.
Speaker 3: I've got a feeling they might be asking you for
Speaker 3: a busking lasses, which I have do excellently. You're prepared.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 1: people of the computer before.
Speaker 3: We go christ uh shit, dismantled child labor in Pakistan. Sorry,
Speaker 3: I just reade about it.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think you're gonna get any I.
Speaker 3: Was trying to take on that. Yeah, I was trying
Speaker 3: to think of an issue in the world and that's
Speaker 3: the best, Like that's a.
Speaker 1: Solid issue to wherese awareness to. Here's the problem is
Speaker 1: that the people watching this, I don't it's I guess
Speaker 1: it's nice to spread awareness about issues, but I don't
Speaker 1: know what they're gonna be able to do about it.
Speaker 3: I know there's a fellow that travels the world and
Speaker 3: does conventions where he actually talks about child labor and
Speaker 3: like specifically Pakistan. But I imagine there's some kind of
Speaker 3: like charity organizations, but you have to really research charity
Speaker 3: organizations for you send money because I know, I know
Speaker 3: in the past, like some cancel organizations just kind of
Speaker 3: pocket money and just say like we're doing stuff with it.
Speaker 1: Loves Warhammer, Emo music, Persian Carpets hates the number three
Speaker 1: child labor in Pakistan.
Speaker 3: I mean, child labor in general is not good, but Pakistan.
Speaker 1: Hates child labor in general.
Speaker 3: I'm not like everywhere else. It's fine.
Speaker 1: Tell you what I'm clip.
Speaker 3: I'm clipping occasionally. I hire children. You know, their hands
Speaker 3: are really good for weaving. Yes, yes, I'm starting a copy.
Speaker 1: See that's something you say for the third date? What's
Speaker 1: your name again?
Speaker 2: What is it.
Speaker 1: Nice to meet your roan?
Speaker 3: Like the place?
Speaker 4: Where are you late for your Did you miss your train?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Okay, I like try and get there a bit early.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Well, thanks for being potentially the only person
Speaker 1: I talked about, so awesome. Take care Rowan, Thank you brother. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: it to me again. If you liked those conversations and
Speaker 1: you want to hear more from Perth, you can find
Speaker 1: the full video in the episode description of this podcast,
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Speaker 1: feel I feel very honored that I get to do it.
Speaker 1: It's sweet. Hopefully there'll be many more places all over
Speaker 1: the universe that I'll get to go to be a
Speaker 1: gecko and talk to people, and I'll bring you guys
Speaker 1: with me, and it'll be a good time, all right,
Speaker 1: Heil say again, goes on the line taking your phone
Speaker 1: calls every night. Everything get goes through in his eye.
Speaker 1: He's teaching you clod over your life, but he's not
Speaker 1: really an expert.