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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I know you all have been watching a lot of

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Speaker 2: these interviews about elections, and you know that on the

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Speaker 2: Republican side, all of these mainstream media outlets will ask

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Speaker 2: consistently will you accept the results of the election. And

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Speaker 2: we've been wondering exactly what Democrats are doing in these

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Speaker 2: states where we have Democrats secretaries of state and they're

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Speaker 2: changing the rules. In Michigan, you know you've all heard

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Speaker 2: me talk about Jocelyn Benson, who has changed the rules

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Speaker 2: multiple times. Multiple times, she has lost lawsuits. She has

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Speaker 2: had to go back to the actual way that you

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Speaker 2: have to do it by law.

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Speaker 1: Now I have our former.

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Speaker 2: Secretary of state with me because I wanted to kind

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Speaker 2: of break this down and understand it. It's as she said,

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Speaker 2: it's wonky, it's in the weeds. But I think we

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Speaker 2: need to understand as we go into election day what

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Speaker 2: these secretary secretaries of state are doing. They have said

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Speaker 2: they're coordinating. So there's seven different sects terriers of state

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Speaker 2: across the country who have said that they are coordinating

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Speaker 2: on the twenty twenty four election. It's a very interesting

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Speaker 2: wording to use in the political world and that's why

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Speaker 2: I wanted to bring Ruth Johnson.

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Speaker 1: And Ruth Johnson right now.

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Speaker 2: She is a current state Senator in Michigan, but she

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Speaker 2: is also the former Secretary of State.

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Speaker 1: So Ruth, thank you so much for joining me.

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Speaker 3: It's great to be here.

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Speaker 1: Tutor. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: So I'm looking at all of this stuff and I see, Well,

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Speaker 2: first of all, I think a lot of people have

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Speaker 2: questions about different states and why they may have more

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Speaker 2: people on their voter roles than necessary. And in Michigan

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Speaker 2: we have seven point nine million people of voting age

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Speaker 2: and we have eight point four million on the roles,

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Speaker 2: So people are questioning, how does that happen?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, first I want to address that because Joslyn

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Speaker 4: Benson changes things last minute, often doesn't follow the law,

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Speaker 4: and even gave one of the Supreme Court justices eighty

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Speaker 4: two five hundred dollars after she'd lost in two lower

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Speaker 4: courts when she had things appearing there. It's it's difficult

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Speaker 4: now to find good clerks, and we had some of

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Speaker 4: the best elections. One thy five hundred and twenty five

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Speaker 4: local clerks who conducted the elections more than any other

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Speaker 4: state in the nation. You can hold your local clerk accountable.

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Speaker 4: It's really hard to hold somebody accountable in the Ivory

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Speaker 3: I've just never seen anything like it. But I think

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Speaker 3: are bloated.

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Speaker 4: Voter rolls are really one of the key problems that

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Speaker 4: we see right now. As of today, we have one

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Speaker 4: hundred and six point five percent of the eligible electric

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Speaker 4: registered to vote. Like I'm not a mathematician, but one

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Speaker 4: hundred and six point five is not good, not crazy.

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Speaker 4: And then she goes on to criticize Elon Musk for

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Speaker 4: getting people registered to vote, But she did the same

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Speaker 4: exact thing with Rock the Vote, and she actually did

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Speaker 4: it right out of her state office, and she said

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Speaker 4: that she let them help write the program. So these

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Speaker 4: going to make people wonder at the end whether it's

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Speaker 4: a Democrat or Republican that wins. You have to have

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Speaker 4: rules and you have to be like a fair umpire.

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Speaker 4: We have that even in high school football and basketball.

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Speaker 4: We certainly should have it in elections. And she just

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Speaker 4: does not want to clean the roles. She had one

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Speaker 4: hundred and seventy seven thousand people she was supposed to

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Speaker 4: take off in twenty twenty, but she didn't until she

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Speaker 4: got sued, and after that she had already sent them

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Speaker 4: these invitations to vote. These are what she sent out,

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Speaker 4: millions of them, over eight hundred thousand to non qualified voters,

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Speaker 4: pre filled out action and tee ballot requests. If she

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Speaker 4: and it one had an absentee ballot request in it

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Speaker 4: that went to people that she already knew shouldn't get them.

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Speaker 3: So it's very frustrating for me.

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Speaker 4: When I was there, I took off one point three

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Speaker 4: six hundred and forty two thousand dead people, one hundred

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Speaker 4: find three thousand, five hundred and five non citizens. So

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Speaker 4: it's very concerning to me that we have a secretary

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Speaker 2: So why has she come out and said, well, actually

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Speaker 2: the law states that you clean the voter roles every

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Speaker 2: two years, and therefore I can't actually clean the voter role.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know, my countess. She's been there five years,

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Speaker 4: a law that I actually worked with Kansas Miller, previous

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Speaker 4: Secretary State, wonderful person in Congress, and now Lisa McLain,

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Speaker 3: Has a bill.

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Speaker 4: It's Hr two five six six, and that would just

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Speaker 4: mean that when you move, when you surrender your driver's

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Speaker 4: license at those DMV or branch offices run by Secretary's

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Speaker 4: of State and Alaska it's actually a lieutenant governor, you

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Speaker 4: would surrender your voter registration card too, and that would

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Speaker 4: really help, I think, but it doesn't help when you

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Speaker 4: add people back on that had been taken off. You

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Speaker 4: don't take off the people that you're supposed to do

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Speaker 4: until you get sued. And she's lost so many lawsuits.

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Speaker 4: And then again I'm very concerned about her donating money,

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Speaker 4: money that she got from California, by the way, six

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Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars. She's only had three donors and they're

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Speaker 4: all from California, and then she used that money to

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Speaker 2: So she's an Alex Soros Secretary of state. She is

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Speaker 2: the state of Michigan and these big donors who are

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Speaker 2: very interested in taking over blue states. You hear about

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Speaker 2: the Blue Wall states all the time, and let me

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Speaker 2: tell you from our perspective here on the ground, there

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Speaker 2: is a massive amount of money coming into the state.

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Speaker 2: It's not Michigan money. This is not Michigan donors. These

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Speaker 2: what they see in the state. What these people have done.

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Speaker 2: There are people from outside of the state who know

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Speaker 2: if they win Michigan, they can take power in DC.

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Speaker 2: That to me is incredibly dangerous that she accepts that

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Speaker 2: and then she uses that money to play politics herself

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Speaker 2: inside of the state. And I would say, to your

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Speaker 2: this Supreme Court justice candidate, that is even more nefarious

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Speaker 2: than most people could understand. Because she went out. She

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Speaker 2: was challenged on taking RFK off the ballot. He wanted

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Speaker 2: the Court of Appeals and the Court of Appeals said,

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Speaker 2: you know what, he can come off the ballot. Have

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Speaker 2: the time they're not printed take him off the ballot. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you're in her position, I just want to ask

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Speaker 2: the Court of Appeals comes back to you and says,

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Speaker 2: you know what, it's okay take them off. At that point,

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Speaker 2: are you playing a legal battle game or are you just,

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Speaker 2: as Secretary of State saying I have the legal opinion

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Speaker 2: I need, I'm good, I can take them off. Because

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Speaker 2: she then elevated that to the Michigan Supreme Court, the

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Speaker 2: Michigan Supreme Court said no, no, you can leave him on,

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Speaker 2: which benefits the Democrats we all know, and then she

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Speaker 4: Yes, you're exactly right. I did turn her into the

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Speaker 4: Attorney Graeveance Commission because in fact, the deadline had already passed,

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Speaker 4: It had already been certified with the lower courts, and

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Speaker 4: you know, she uses that for one way, but then

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Speaker 4: all of a sudden, it's not important for others. And

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Speaker 4: you know, I think people want a non part of

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Speaker 4: an operative for the far left. She doesn't follow laws.

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Speaker 4: I came from a little teeny cinder black house, and

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Speaker 4: I know you follow the constitution right and our state laws.

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Speaker 4: But here you have a Harvard lagred that just doesn't

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Speaker 4: seem to get it. She pushed for early counting, and

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Speaker 4: I raised objections because you know who is watching those

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Speaker 4: know that we have integrity in our elections, win or loose.

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Speaker 4: And so we're lessening the security of counting. And how

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Speaker 4: she has the audacity to say that we won't even

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Speaker 4: they would take longer. So she pushed for this. They

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Speaker 4: pushed for these ballot initiatives that again lots of money

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Speaker 4: into our constitution. But I didn't tell you in the

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Speaker 4: thousands of words and we get nine less than one hundred.

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Speaker 3: I think it was ninety seven on the ballot.

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Speaker 4: That it enshrines no, no photo ID, none, And so

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Speaker 4: very disturbing because it also enables people to register during

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Speaker 4: us whether they voted out of state. I've got all

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Speaker 4: these complaints because people are getting their ballots sent down

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Speaker 4: of them here, over four hundred, but over eight hundred

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Speaker 4: thousand people got them that they shouldn't. And then she

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Speaker 4: told the clerks, oh, you don't have to verify the signature.

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Speaker 4: She's lost in every court and she keeps doing it.

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Speaker 4: It is against our misiegun constitution.

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Speaker 1: It is we're still not verifying the signatures.

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Speaker 4: Oh, she keeps saying that, But it finally went to

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Speaker 3: So now we have a final on that you must.

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Speaker 4: Verify the signatures. And she's the one that when she

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Speaker 4: I think it's you know, photo ID too. But she

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Speaker 4: said one thing and does another, And that's my concern.

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Speaker 4: I don't mind if somebody feels differently, but be honest

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Speaker 4: about it. People know what they're voting for voting. She

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Speaker 4: says she helped with these Proposal two of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 4: which is, you know, the early voting for nine days

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Speaker 4: and also except overseas ballots that have been postmarked after

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Speaker 4: election day, and it prohibits requiring photo ID for voting.

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Speaker 4: Those ads were so deceptive and the voters can fall

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Speaker 4: out one absentee ballot at location and receive ballots automatically

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Speaker 4: and all future elections for up to six years.

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Speaker 3: That's just not right. There's no common sense here.

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Speaker 4: And when she eats the other side is not going

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Speaker 3: It's just not right.

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. When you say the ads were deceptive,

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Speaker 2: You brought up eight hundred thousand, and I just want

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Speaker 4: It's so important every vote counts, and you're talking about

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Speaker 4: Political thing, I guess, but she's very talented at that.

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Speaker 4: She denied, and I got gabbled down over and over,

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Speaker 1: Not even her stat's their style.

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Speaker 4: Presentations, and so then she minimizes and say, oh, that's

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Speaker 4: now that said bloated voter files don't hurt anything. Well,

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Speaker 4: when you do this layer of taking off, we don't

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Speaker 4: That that's gone, voter id's gone, no photo ID. And

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Speaker 4: then all these other things that are really wonkey within

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Speaker 4: my mama would have said those are big lies because

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Speaker 4: Did you know eighty three percent of the people want

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Speaker 4: you know, million dollar ads and sent out flyers. This

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Speaker 1: So do you trust the way she's run elections.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm really thankful that the local clerks conduct the elections.

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Speaker 4: She's trying to bring everything up to the counties rather

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Speaker 4: We can hold our local clerks accountable. We had you

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Speaker 4: That's been now made bigger because of so many people

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Speaker 4: voting absentee. But she is the Harvard wonk of legal

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Speaker 3: That's not her.

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Speaker 4: When you have eighty three percent of the people, including

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Speaker 4: you have these commercials that you support. I asked her

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Speaker 4: we're not going to look at that, and that was

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Speaker 2: So well, okay, So that's interesting because I do believe

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Speaker 2: I mean, she ran on being nonpartisan, and I think

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Speaker 1: To look at.

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Speaker 2: You've got these secretaries of state who are running on

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Speaker 2: Like if you look at Arizona, Katie Hobbs, who was

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Speaker 2: We know that that's Jocelyn Benson's plan too. She has

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Speaker 4: I get so many complaints on them. I get so

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Speaker 4: Usually they'll tap me on the shoulder and say, well,

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Speaker 4: And people I've gotten so because I still am elected

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Speaker 4: But there was only two people in there, and for staff,

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Speaker 2: I've never actually I want to ask you about that.

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Speaker 2: like we are obsessed with government. We've never been obsessed

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Speaker 2: Gretchen Whitmers of the world. And she's out there doing

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Speaker 1: Social media videos too.

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Speaker 2: Are they going to continue to try to make this

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think we as citizens need to not be drawn

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Speaker 4: hard work. It's hard work to clean up the qualified

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Speaker 4: So we all came up with, if you have a

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Speaker 4: She fought me from day one to get that bill

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Speaker 2: I think that is the problem here, and when they

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Speaker 2: are getting these people who wouldn't typically vote, who are overseas,

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Speaker 2: they're not living in the country, They've chosen to go elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: I think people mistakenly believe overseas voters are all military.

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Speaker 2: The military folks have a secure path to vote. When

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Speaker 2: they're talking about getting those other ballots in, those are

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Speaker 2: people who wouldn't necessarily vote. They're not interested in the country,

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Speaker 2: they don't live here anymore, they're not service members.

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Speaker 1: This is a difference.

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Speaker 2: How many years has Benson been working on this, because

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Speaker 2: you say you've been working on this, but this was

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Speaker 2: before she was Secretary of State.

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Speaker 1: Then it was.

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Speaker 4: And it's interestingly, when I got in the legislature, I

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Speaker 4: had a little more polland could get it done. But

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Speaker 4: then I had a Secretary of State that was undermining

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Speaker 4: me all the time because she wanted everyone.

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Speaker 3: And here's the problem.

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Speaker 4: We can't tell in the last days of the election

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Speaker 4: because you don't have to have ID we'd never have

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Speaker 4: to see a warm body. We can't tell if you're

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Speaker 4: voting Holly and Clarkston, much less overseas. Who's going to

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Speaker 4: fly to Germany or Japan? To see who voted and

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Speaker 4: if it was correct, or wherever somebody might be.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense. You're not looking all around. And

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Speaker 3: you must have.

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Speaker 4: Integrity for both sides because half of us are not

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Speaker 4: going to be very happy at the end of the election,

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Speaker 4: so having integrity and security. But there is this long

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Speaker 4: term and it started when I was Secretary of State

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Speaker 4: of this far left group trying to strip out the

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Speaker 4: integrity little piece by little piece, the transparency, the checks

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Speaker 4: and balances, and a lot of them are wonky, like

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Speaker 4: one of them is when the Secretary of State makes

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Speaker 4: new administrative rules, they have to go through a committee

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Speaker 4: called JKAR, which is a bipartisan group of legislators, and

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Speaker 4: give the citizens a chance to comment on them. I

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Speaker 4: don't like that pesky law. She got found in violation

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Speaker 4: of it when she said you don't have to verify signatures,

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Speaker 4: and so.

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Speaker 3: These are the kinds of things that she does.

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Speaker 4: So they got rid of the legislature because we're in

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Speaker 4: a Democrat ball stately rate ball and umpires, and so

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Speaker 4: she got rid of that pesky law.

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Speaker 3: No more j CAR.

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Speaker 4: So as citizens and as elected officials, we don't even

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Speaker 4: know what her rules are going to be.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

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Speaker 1: a Tutor Dixon podcast.

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Speaker 2: The thing I think that you said that has really

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Speaker 2: disturbed me is that she's been working against our rules,

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Speaker 2: our laws for years, years before. She's been planning this

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Speaker 2: takeover of the secretary of State's office for years. If

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Speaker 2: this is if this dates back to when you were

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Speaker 2: secretary of state and she was fighting you, then who

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Speaker 2: is funding her?

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know it's ironically ran against each other years ago.

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Speaker 4: They'd be fourteen years ago.

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Speaker 2: Oh right, because she she ran and lost years ago.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And I did not want to run. It was

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Speaker 4: a huge pay cut. I had a little one and

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Speaker 4: a mom that was aging, and I didn't want to

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Speaker 4: be away from home. And I kind of got talked

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Speaker 4: into it. I was making thirty thousand dollars more as

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Speaker 4: a county clerk register.

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Speaker 3: I liked it there.

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Speaker 4: But they did a poll and I was the only

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Speaker 4: one that showed that could beat her, and I still

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Speaker 4: was not convinced. And then they showed me all the

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Speaker 4: sorrows information and then I decided to run. And then

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Speaker 4: three days later I said I don't think.

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Speaker 3: I should run.

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Speaker 4: I got all these Republicans made because there's been four

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Speaker 4: others worked on of the year. But I did, and

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Speaker 4: I was very fortunate. People were very kind to me

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Speaker 4: and thoughtful, and I did get voted in, and I

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Speaker 4: did come from a little teeny center black house. It's

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Speaker 4: not like I have a lot of friends with big money.

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Speaker 4: But my mom had the best moral compass of anybody

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Speaker 4: ever saw. And I don't care, and I don't care

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Speaker 4: what part you are. A good moral compass is so

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Speaker 4: important and people first. It's like this thought has been

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Speaker 4: somewhat moved up, I think.

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Speaker 1: But think about what you just said.

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Speaker 2: You really, truly this is a time when you could

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Speaker 2: actually be the average citizen and you could run for

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Speaker 2: a position and you ran that office. Well, you ran

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Speaker 2: it for the people. This situation that we have with

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Speaker 2: Jocelyn Benson, who has this big money coming from out

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Speaker 2: of state, who has been after this office for years, she's.

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Speaker 1: Had her eye on it.

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Speaker 2: Now she has her eye on the governor's seat. This

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Speaker 2: is a long term plan on the Democrat side to

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Speaker 2: turn purple states blue. But I think it's more nefarious

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Speaker 2: than that. I think that what they're plotting is truly

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Speaker 2: to I mean, just if you look at the way

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Speaker 2: she's run the office. This is not the American way.

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Speaker 2: This is to get their way to gain power for

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Speaker 2: their people. And then you, I mean, gosh, I know

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Speaker 2: you know what the bills are that you guys have

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Speaker 2: been looking at in the Michigan legislature for the past

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Speaker 2: two years. It's gone completely sideways. It's bizarre. And it's

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Speaker 2: also a piggybank for the billionaires. I think that's the

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Speaker 2: most disturbing part about what I've seen in Michigan in

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Speaker 2: the last two years is the money. The money that

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Speaker 2: has just gone to the billionaire class for them to

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Speaker 2: have their pet projects, and the people still pay their

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Speaker 2: income tax every year.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's really bad. In regard to Joslyn Benson, when

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Speaker 4: we were running fourteen years ago, she told one of

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Speaker 4: my friends, I'm running for Secretary States. I'll have a

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Speaker 4: podium to run for governor. So you're right, this has

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Speaker 4: been a long term. I was a reluctant but worked

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Speaker 4: sixteen hours a day. But I was reluctant candidate at

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Speaker 4: the time because I was the only one that could

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Speaker 4: probably win in a race that was so important. Only

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Speaker 4: because of her extremism and her not following rules or

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Speaker 4: laws and being part of this ultra left. But I

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Speaker 4: think the loopholes that we have in Michigan were rated

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Speaker 4: an F for transparency. And I did serve with Governor

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Speaker 4: grand Home for six years. Not grand Home.

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Speaker 3: I did serve with grand Home too, but Governor.

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Speaker 4: Whitmer and we were both in the house. I think

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Speaker 4: we're there for four years together. Anyway, she said she

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Speaker 4: didn't believe in dark money. No, we can't reach the

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Speaker 4: governor got twenty million dollars in dark money. One person,

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Speaker 4: a Long, gave her eight hundred and fifty seven thousand

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Speaker 4: dollars and we'll never know as citizens who got it.

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Speaker 4: But you can bet that comes with strings. Nobody just

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Speaker 4: gives eight hundred and fifty seven thousand dollars of dark money.

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Speaker 3: And so I think that's one of our biggest problems.

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Speaker 4: You got four hundred thousand from another anonymous downer. Michigan

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Speaker 4: needs to beef up our loss for both sides of

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Speaker 4: the aisle. We as citizens deserve to know who are

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Speaker 4: you getting your money from. And yes, corporate welfare has

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Speaker 4: become a wonderful way to get rid of money that

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Speaker 4: doesn't really work, doesn't help, and you can bet the

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Speaker 4: people that vote on it, they they probably do pretty

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Speaker 4: good one way or another.

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Speaker 3: And if you look at.

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Speaker 4: Our state budget, we went from fifty seven billion when

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Speaker 4: I started in the Senate to eighty two billion in

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Speaker 4: five years, and we blew.

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Speaker 3: Through a nine sim serpor and half of it.

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Speaker 4: Went to corporate welfare, and it really didn't create the.

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Speaker 3: Jobs that they said it would. So why not roads?

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Speaker 3: Why not? Education? Education were forty third in the nation.

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Speaker 4: Why people don't want to come to your job providers

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Speaker 4: were forty third? Kids deserve better. That's one of our

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Speaker 4: most important jobs. And public safety that should be another

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Speaker 4: one too.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just saw that Joe Biden is going

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Speaker 2: to have a public apology to the kids that were

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Speaker 2: in the Native American boarding schools, and I said, well,

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Speaker 2: when's he going to have a public apology for the

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Speaker 2: kids in Detroit? Because we've robbed them, robbed them. They

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Speaker 2: are not getting educated there. They can't even read when

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Speaker 2: they come out of school. It's sick that that is

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Speaker 2: not a priority for these Democrats to make sure that

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Speaker 2: kids have the skills to have an actual life when

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Speaker 2: they get out of school. The fact that they can't

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Speaker 2: read means that they're they're that much more likely to

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Speaker 2: end up in prison.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a terrible catastrophe.

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Speaker 2: And I will tell you when I was running for governor,

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Speaker 2: we had multiple companies that came to us and said,

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Speaker 2: are you going to give us corporate well? Are you

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Speaker 2: going to give us corporate welfare? And I always said,

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Speaker 2: I have to be able to know what the deal is.

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Speaker 2: I can't read any of your deals. They're all private.

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Speaker 2: You've got NDAs across everything. So you guys know, a

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Speaker 2: few legislators know, the governor knows. But you're using our money,

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Speaker 2: and so I don't believe that you should have NDAs

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Speaker 2: if you're going to use if you're going to use

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Speaker 2: the taxpayer money. All they just went bananas about that.

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Speaker 2: How could you possibly say that we have proprietary information,

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Speaker 2: we have to have these NDAs. And I'm like, Senator,

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Speaker 2: are you right? They're not bringing jobs? I mean, we

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Speaker 2: haven't had any, don't. We have not gained a headquarters,

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Speaker 2: We have not gained jobs. We are as a state dying,

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Speaker 2: I mean forty third in education, no new headquarters. Energy

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Speaker 2: constantly going out, we have people that have blackouts for

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Speaker 2: two weeks at a time.

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Speaker 1: It's a mess, and we've got to do something about it.

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Speaker 1: But honestly, I think that.

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Speaker 2: I've listened to what you said today, and I want

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Speaker 2: people to think about what you said, because that young

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Speaker 2: at home right now who was you, is saying, is

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Speaker 2: this God's plan for me? Because it's supposed to be

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Speaker 2: we the people. Am I supposed to step up? And

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Speaker 2: that was God's plan for you. You stepped up to

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Speaker 2: the plate. It's hard, It is hard to sacrifice this

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Speaker 2: and run and do all of this, but we so

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Speaker 2: appreciate the fact that you did and you have and

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Speaker 2: you continue to do so, and I hope your story

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Speaker 2: inspires other people. So I just want to say thank

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Speaker 2: you Senator Ruth Johnson for coming on today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Tutor, have a great eavening.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you you too, and thank you all

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Speaker 2: for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this

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Speaker 1: Have a blessing,