1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs to ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Dear 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: dumb police officers don't tell a lot. All crimes begin 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: with a lie, as we say in Japan. Don't you 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: know that? Why don't you keep it to yourself? You 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: seem to be at a loss, so why not let 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: us help you. We'll give you a clue. We entered 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: the factory by the front gate. The typewriter re used 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: is panwriter. The plastic container we used was a piece 11 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: of street garbage, signed monster with twenty one faces. Welcome 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: to the show, ladies and gentlemen. What you just heard 13 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: was an excerpt from the subject of today's episode, as 14 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: read by our very own Matt Frederick. That's me, Hello, 15 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: welcome to the show, A Matt, thanks for coming. Uh 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: and my name is Ben. Of course, as always we 17 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: are here with with no uh fox eyes brown? How 18 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: about that? No the fox eyed brown. He's gestued us 19 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: and what I assumed to be the common sign of 20 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: the fox side. Oh and the fox call and the 21 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: fox call. We're not going to ask you to do alright, alright, 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: that was too far. No there, Oh my god, he 23 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: did it. It's true. Yeah, as an armchair Fox expert, 24 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: Yeah or Fox putologists the word I just made up. Uh, 25 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: so I can verify that if that, if that were 26 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: actually a Fox and where I actually Fox expert. So 27 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: here is our audio follow up to an earlier video 28 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: that we created about unsolved crimes. Previously, we covered the 29 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: famous tom m or Toman shut case, the case of 30 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: the Summrton Man. Just I just want to say I 31 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: I've always heard it as tom un with an end should, 32 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: but then upon our research, we realized, no, it's it's 33 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: always been tom um should always. That's what that was 34 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: what was written on the note. Yeah, and uh, it's 35 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: it's interesting because you know, it might this is something 36 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: that listeners can can help us with, perhaps because as 37 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: you know, some languages that are non Romance or non 38 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: Latin languages have some difficulty with translation, right, which is 39 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: why for a long time, Uh, they were Probably if 40 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: you're old enough, you may remember in your lifetime some 41 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: names of cities have changed, like Bombay became Mumbai, uh, 42 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: Packing Beijing, things like that. So this might be a 43 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: case of Fitzgerald the author who did the translation of 44 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: the rubiat which we refer this may be a case 45 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: of him uh using maybe an outdated nomenclature or something 46 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: like that. Neither you uh where I speak Farsi is 47 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: that no? I mean it is okay. Well, the Somerton 48 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: case was only one of the cases we mentioned in 49 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: the video. We also mentioned, uh, some bizarre spree killings 50 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: in Belgium, some feet that were showing up all over 51 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: the place in the northwest north Pacific, northwest. Yeah, and 52 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: we also mentioned one other case, one of the most 53 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: famous unsolved cases in Japanese criminal history, and that is 54 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: what is known as the monster with twenty one faces met. 55 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: What you just read at the top of the show 56 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: was a quote from an actual letter sent to some 57 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: police departments. Uh, I have kind of taunting at very 58 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: much taunting the police departments. Yeah, as things were kicking 59 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: into high gears. So let's go ahead and just start 60 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: at the beginning. What what happened? How did this case begin? Well, 61 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: it all begins with this candy company called Glico in Japan. Uh. 62 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: And like all other companies, Glico has a CEO, so 63 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: their their CEO's name was Katsuhisa Ezaki, and these two 64 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:18,559 Speaker 1: armed masked men broke into Katsuhisa's mother's house and stole 65 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: a key uh from for his house, Okay, from his mom. 66 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: And this was when this happened. Uh. The they did 67 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: some some pretty heinous things. They bound some people up right, 68 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: They tied up his wife and uh one of his children, 69 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: and cut the telephone cords. They raided the bathroom where 70 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: they found the CEO and his other two kids hiding. 71 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: That's right. And then they abduct abducted the CEO and 72 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: they held him hostage at a warehouse. Uh. They issue 73 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: a ransom as well, for one billion yen and one 74 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: ms of gold bars. Uh. That's got to be a 75 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: tense situation if you're the CEO of the company and 76 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: you wonder, well, one billion yen on of gold, what's 77 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: going to happen to me? What's the board can't do? 78 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: Is the board going to cut their losses and be like, yeah, sorry, 79 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: we can find another ceo? Uh. Luckily he did not 80 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: have to address that, uh frightening question. Uh. And and 81 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: you know he didn't have to get to the ultimate 82 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: answer because he managed to escape the warehouse three days later. However, 83 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: he was not able to identify any of his abductors. 84 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: And this was far from over. Yeah. So these guys 85 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: had masks on. I'm assuming they wore them the whole time. 86 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,239 Speaker 1: So I mean, when once you're out and you're trying 87 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: to figure out who these people are, if you don't 88 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: have clear motive already beforehand, then how do you know 89 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: who these guys are? That's that is a scary, scary situation. 90 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: So a few weeks later, a couple other things happen 91 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: that some vehicles that are in the parking lot at 92 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: Glico are set on fire. Then there is a container 93 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: of hydrochloric acid um and and a letter that accompanied 94 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: right yeah, and a threatening letter written to Glico itself. 95 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: They were found in Ibaraki. And let me take a 96 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: moment here to point out that my Japanese is going 97 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: to be terrible. My pronunciations, uh and thank you to 98 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: everybody in the Summerton case. There are people who wrote 99 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: in and said, hey, guys, your your pronunciation of the 100 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: Australian stuff not that bad. Yeah we did, Okay, well 101 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: we have we have some really supportive audience, ye C 102 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: plus B maybe so this uh so the Japanese is 103 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: not going to be spot on here, but the warehouse 104 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: where this guy was originally held hostage, that's where this 105 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: That's the same town that this letter came to. And 106 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: this was the first in a string of letters from 107 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: a person or a group of people dubbing itself the 108 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: Monster with One Faces. Interesting side note here, they did 109 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: make up that name. No, No, it's based off of 110 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: a Japanese detective series, I believe, which is fictional. Uh 111 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: And but it's pretty well known in Japan. It's named 112 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: after the villain in one of those detective in that 113 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: detective series. Uh. These letters claim that Glico candies were 114 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: laced with potassium cyanide soda, meaning that it would quite 115 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: possibly kill people who ate it. Yeah, and if not 116 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: kill them, make them very very very ill. And you 117 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: can't have that if you're a large company like that. 118 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: That this is just not this is not a good 119 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: idea to allow this product to go out. So Glico, 120 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: as you might assume, they pulled, they pulled their their 121 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: stuff off the shelves, but they didn't just pull the 122 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: possibly contaminated once. They just pulled everything. They pulled a 123 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: lot of stuff and they were also Um, they were 124 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: doing this based entirely on the threat. Yes, there was 125 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: not evidence found at that time, but this was a 126 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: massive loss for the company, twenty one million dollar loss. 127 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: And keep in mind this is in the eighties. Uh. 128 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: And they had the layoff almost five hundred employees because 129 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: of this expense. And that's a twenty one million dollar 130 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: US right yeah, yeah, yeah, not yet and uh, after 131 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: months of tormenting Glico, the monster it's twenty one faces, 132 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: uh forgives them, says we forgive Glico, and that was 133 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: their final letter. But they weren't done yet. But it's crazy. 134 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: I guess they they caused enough damage. I'm trying to 135 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: put my head in the mind of these the Monster 136 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: twenty one faces. Just I guess they saw that the 137 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: company had been I defeated in a way, at least 138 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: according to their standards, so they're like, you know what, 139 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: it's okay, guys were cool. So they moved on, and 140 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: they they turned their sights on a couple other companies 141 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: who produced food um oh Man Marudai, ham House Foods 142 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 1: Corporation and Fujia. Right yeah, and this this was straight 143 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: up extortion pretty much, right. Uh. And at the time 144 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: in Japan. It's important to note that this was a 145 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: campaign of over terror. You know, people were some for 146 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: the first time, were terrified about the possibility of crime 147 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: because Japan, in comparison to a lot of other countries, 148 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: is a very safe place. You know, this is this 149 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: is not the place where you would think you would 150 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: accidentally die because you ate you bought some pockey, which is, 151 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: by the way, my my favorite, my favorite thing that 152 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: Glico makes, you know what I'm talking about, the little 153 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, don't get the strawberry. I'm not I'm 154 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: not a fan of strawberry, and I have no illusions 155 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: about the nutritional value or lack there of. Man that 156 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: chocolate sauce stuff is on point. Anyway, So they told 157 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: Mardai that they would stop harassing this company if one 158 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: of their employees gave him ransom money fifty million years, 159 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: specifically on a train. So the police forces have an 160 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: investigator disguise himself as an employee, and while he's disguisedes 161 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: an employee, they don't see exactly the place where they're 162 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: instructed to hand off the money because they're supposed to 163 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: like throw it from a train kind of but they 164 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: do see a guy later becomes the prime suspect as 165 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: a representative of the monster. Twenty one faces and that 166 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: is the so called fox Eyed Man, which goes back 167 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: to your nickname today. No, the man was well built, 168 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: he had short hair and it was permed, and he 169 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: was and he was described as having eyes like those 170 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: of a fox. So after this police officer, investigator dress 171 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: his employee drops the ransom, he and this other guy 172 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: try to follow the Fox Eyed Man, but they lose him, 173 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: and then they get an other close chance to catch 174 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: him again, but he evades them again. He's pretty good 175 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: at it. It feels so cinematic to me. It feels 176 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: like this is a script that was written. But no, No, 177 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, this happened. Yeah. And after the after 178 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: this event and during these close calls, the monster is 179 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: mailing more harassing letters towards the police. And a year later, 180 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: after a year unsuccessfully investigating this finding no leads, catching 181 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 1: no criminals, the police superintendent, a fellow named Yamamoto, commits 182 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: suicide because of this case, and he does it by 183 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: setting himself on fire, allegedly because he's ashamed of his 184 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: failure to capture the fox eyed man. So five days 185 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: after the death, little less than a week, the Monster 186 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: of twenty one Faces sends a final letter to the media. Matt, 187 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: do you want to do the honors? Sure? Yamamoto of 188 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: Shiga Prefecture police died. How stupid of him. We've got 189 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: no friends or secret hiding place, and she got it's 190 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: Yoshino or Shikata who should have died. What have they 191 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: been doing for as long as one year? In five months? 192 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: Don't let bad guys like us get away with it. 193 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: There are many more fools who want to copy us. 194 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: No career. Yamamoto died like a man, so we decided 195 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: to give our condolence. We decided to forget about torturing 196 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: food making companies. If anyone blackmails any of the food 197 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: making companies, it's not us, but someone copying us. We 198 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: are bad guys. That means we've got more to do 199 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: other than bullying companies. It's fun to lead a bad 200 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: man's life. Monster with twenty one faces And with that, 201 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: the monster at twenty one faces did not surface again, 202 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: or at least hasn't hasn't been seen to surface. So 203 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: this crime, this series of creams, remains unsolved. Seventeen months 204 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: from the initial kidnapping to the last known letter, which 205 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: you heard part of there. And this was a historical 206 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: and historical hinge. You know, this turn the public perception 207 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: of a crime free and safe Japan, and it leaves 208 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: us with a lot of questions. One one thing that 209 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: people would say is that the suspects would most likely 210 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: be yakuza, you know, the organized crime rings of Japan. 211 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: It certainly seems like there was a lot of organization 212 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: going on, coordinating where to be and when and knowing 213 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: information about their victims. And in jun statute of limitations 214 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: ran out for the kidnapping an assault, and then two 215 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: thousand the limitations for the poisoned food products also expired. 216 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: So what's interesting is the fox sybe man as well 217 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: as some other unidentified guy in a hat we're seeing 218 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: different times during the seventeen months. The guy in the 219 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: hat was actually seen putting food onto a shelf, uh 220 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: so actually participating in the in the poison right. So 221 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: after the after the release of the identicate, you know, 222 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: to try to find the perpetrator in the Tokyo Metropolitan 223 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: Police believed the culprit was a guy named Manabu Miyazaki 224 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: or U mr M which is kind of a cool name, 225 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: uh he. And it's because he had in nineteen seventy 226 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: six released a tape about supporting a union that was 227 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: in a labor dispute with Glico way back in seventy six, 228 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: and it's set and according to the police, this had 229 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: a lot of similarities to the tone of letters sent 230 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: by Monster with one faces could be motive. And in 231 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: seventy six and seventy five there were whistleblowing incidents that 232 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: were also attributed to the guy uh taw about Glico's 233 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: dumping of industrial waste into rivers. Uh So, he was 234 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: also suspective a couple other things. But here's here's the thing. 235 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: His father was the boss of a local yakuza organization 236 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: Akuza organization, and the guy himself apparently bore resemblance to 237 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: the fox side Man, which one of our listeners on 238 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: YouTube said that was just sort of a phrase for 239 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: someone with crazy eyes. But I don't know again, not 240 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: a not a foxologist? Is there a foxologist in the house. 241 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: I just always wanted. There's a sketch of him you 242 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: can find online, and the way they depicted his eyes 243 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: I can see what they're saying. And there in two 244 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: thousand or so there were rumors that there was actually 245 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: North Korean involvement, and there were you know that that's 246 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: not as readily accepted as the accusations of organized crime 247 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: in general, or should I say, domestically organized organized crime. 248 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: But we have to ask ourselves, you know, will will 249 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: this case ever be solved? It? Will it be like 250 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: a deathbed confession? What what were the long term results? 251 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: What was the ultimate motivation behind this? You know, was 252 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: was the group doing this, uh, profiting in some other 253 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: way by um damaging the reputation of Glico, may be 254 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: competitors somewhere. Yeah, And it's a it's a decent question 255 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: because we're really looking for here now is motive? Yes, 256 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: that's the strange part. There's not really an explanation of motive, 257 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: at least in the letters themselves, other than we are 258 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: bad guys and it's fun to lead that kind of life. 259 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: What if it was an early take on the health 260 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: food movement where they were trying to punish companies who 261 00:16:55,880 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: make delicious sticks with candy on them. Yeah, but again 262 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: stay away from strawberry. No. The you know, that's that's 263 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: an interesting angle too. But the problem is with that 264 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: that there's not very much in the way of proof. 265 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: That's just conjecture. Well, and and if you know, let's 266 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: say that they were successful and they got the ransom money. 267 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: When you're getting ransom money like that, even in the eighties, 268 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: it's going to be trackable in some way. You know 269 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: that each each UH bill is going to have numbers 270 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: on it that you can trace. Sure, you would need somebody, 271 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, like an organized crime to wash that money, 272 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: you know, to funnel it through different things, different gambling 273 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: things or pachinko parlors, things like that, which I would 274 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: make sense, But that's just connecting, you know, between gambling 275 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: and those sympathizers. That isn't in any way to say 276 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: that there is proof that any North Korean sympathizers were 277 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: behind the monster with twenty one faces. But then again, 278 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: there's not too much solid proof that the Yakzo is. 279 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: It's just sort of like there the there that would yeah, 280 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: because that's a crime family and this was clearly organized, 281 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: well thought out. The methods of contact and delivery for 282 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: the time UH did did show that this was not 283 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: anyone's first rodeo, you know what I mean. So what 284 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: this leaves us with is another point that we should make, 285 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: which is a lot of the contemporary reporting of this 286 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: the stuff that was happening in the eighties at the 287 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: time was of course written in Japanese and remains in Japanese. 288 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: So now I'd like to put out um a request 289 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: for those of you listening with knowledge of Japanese. Is 290 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: there a is there an additional piece of this story 291 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: that you think is missing for people who primarily speak English? 292 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: And if so, what, because we'd like to hear it 293 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: that we could even put a little addendum at the 294 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: end of another episode where we discuss something that you 295 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: wrote to us, written to us, that would be great, 296 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: That would be a great follow up, and we could 297 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: also look at it on our new live show. We're 298 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: on Periscope usually around four pm. Uh, I guess Thursday's 299 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: or Friday's right some yeah, sometime near the end of 300 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: the week Hunt And we do hope you tune in 301 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: and check that out. We we hope you're enjoying looking 302 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: at some of these crimes. These are just sort of 303 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: one oh one instances, but yeah, it's to send you 304 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole, right, yes, or the foxhole or whatever. Right. 305 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: I was going to say candy hole, but for some 306 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: reason that sounds strangely dirty. It's just your face. Oh 307 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: because people eat candy. Yeah, okay. I was like a 308 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: personal insult, and I thought, Matt, we're on air. Sorry, 309 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: what have I done? Um? So we're going to go 310 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: ahead and in that Oh wait, do you hear that? 311 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: It was the fox call? Screety he's back. Oh it's no. 312 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: Oh man, I don't know if that's really what it. 313 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: Fox sounds like I heard they had they kind of shriek. 314 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting. Uh, there's a the domestication project 315 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: that went on with foxes that you've probably heard about, right, Uh. 316 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: The I believe it was a Russian project, and the 317 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: idea was to see what would happen when they bred 318 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: foxes increasingly for domestic purposes, turning them into pets. Because 319 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: very few animals are actually domesticated. You contame individuals, but 320 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: domestication is when the entire uh the entire type of 321 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: animal is just ready to hang with people. So what 322 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: they found was that the fox has got floppy ears 323 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: and retained some juvenile characteristics, and they do make that 324 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: crazy unholy soundings. Yeah, so you nailed it, but it 325 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: wasn't too far off. So you were talking about Pocky, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, 326 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: what about yan Yan? Have you ever had yan Yon? 327 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: I have? I have not. What is ya? It's like 328 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: it's like a little dipping sticks, you know, Yeah, it's 329 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: like Pocky. Okay, okay, it's like I'll tell you that. 330 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: It's one of those things that whenever I met a 331 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: place and they sell it, I have this moment where 332 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: it's like dunk a ruse. It's like dunkarru Okay, okay, whatever, 333 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: I'm in a place where they saw that stuff, I buy. 334 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: I buy a couple just just to have on board 335 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: on hands. I don't really eat sweets, but it must 336 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: have been a nostalgic thing for me or something that's 337 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: a fun thing to offer to guests too. They have 338 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: them at the place where I get my bondnes right 339 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: around the corner from my house. They've got the pocket Pokey. 340 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: Do you go to Lee's. Yeah, it's a Lee's Bakery. 341 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: Oh man. Okay, So if you're ever in Atlanta and 342 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: you you like, mom me just sandwiches, sandwiches or just 343 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: sandwich is sort of the perfect sandwich. You gotta you 344 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: gotta check out Leaves because it's so cheap. Yeah, I'm 345 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: as a cheap skate. Their deal really appeals to me. 346 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: You can get six sandwiches for the price of five, which, granted, 347 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: is entirely too many sandwiches for one person. This episode 348 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: brought to you by Leaves Bakery. Oh no, I would 349 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: love it if they were. If they were sponsoring our show, 350 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: then I would ask just for payment. And sandwiches really 351 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: that good. I once did the six sandwich deal and 352 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: I just put them in the fridge and brought into 353 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: work every day, and it was the last week of 354 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: my life. Man. Yeah, whoa, I don't know why I 355 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: haven't done that. I remember that week. That was a 356 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: high point for all of us. You're just smiling. Yeah, 357 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: So what do you think about this? Do you think 358 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: they're ever gonna find the perpetrator of or the perpetrators? 359 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's sometimes, you know, these things 360 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: just don't ever get solved. I guess I don't know. Well, 361 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: it's it's also strange because we know that some organized 362 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: crime families have, especially in this uh, in this country, 363 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: some organized crime families have pretty close links with police 364 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: departments and law enforcement, you know. So it's it follows 365 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: then that it is entirely possible for members of the 366 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: police department and members of perhaps even the Japanese media 367 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: to know exactly who this is, but for one reason 368 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: or another, to have participated to cover up. And uh, 369 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: I'm I'm interested in this because I want to know 370 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: what happened with this, you know, I want to know 371 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: where it occurs. And you know, this wasn't that long ago, 372 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: relatively speaking, especially in comparison to the Summerton Man. So 373 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: it's quite possible that people who participated in this are 374 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: still alive. Oh yeah, Oh, I'm I'm most certain because 375 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: this isn't just a one or two person deal. I 376 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: don't I don't think it's possible that this is one 377 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: person to person deal. I mean, how know how it 378 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: is today, But it seems like there was certainly a 379 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: time where the yakuza wielded almost more control and power 380 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: than the police force itself. And I mean it was 381 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: probably you know, the police force was more beholden to 382 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: the accusa than the other way around. See, I feel 383 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: like we learn about that in hindsight and it we're 384 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: in this forever loop of control getting larger and larger 385 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: with organized crime within our institutions. But we just learned 386 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: about it. I don't know, it seems to me, at 387 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: least in the States, that's maybe this is completely not true, 388 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: but it seems there's there's a sense that organized crime 389 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: isn't you know, what it wants, what it once was, right, 390 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,239 Speaker 1: has it devolved or But then also it reminds me 391 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: of the old question of or the old idea that 392 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: organized crime is always going to be around the question. 393 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: It will be who perpetrates the most, and you'll have 394 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: people like you know, Gary Webb, the journalist clearly clearly said, guys, 395 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: the CIA is participating organized crime and with much more 396 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: success than the Gambinos or whatever. And perhaps we're perhaps 397 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: we are arriving in a place where the differences between 398 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: some factions of law enforcement and some factions of criminal 399 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: empires are are not as distinct as they once were. 400 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: So so yeah, it's your appointment. It does make sense that, uh, 401 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: the quote unquote traditional organized crime could be falling off, 402 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: but um crime, like any other thing in nature, bores 403 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: a vacuum. So somebody else is going to step in. 404 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: Are you wait, wait, are you guys a fan of 405 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: crime shows? Mom? Stuff? Yeah? I was actually just gonna 406 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 1: ask Matt how you felt about the Detective finale. Thought, 407 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: don't don't ask me that, just tell me just out 408 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: with it. Did you watch it? Yeah? I did? Okay, okay, 409 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: all right, really fast. So I don't think you can 410 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: sit and judge something like that by just saying, oh, 411 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: it was awful, and that's not that's not what that means. 412 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: It means I think that there is deeper meaning to 413 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: be read. From my first viewing of the season, I 414 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: think that it wasn't shown as much on the surface 415 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: as the season one was, where you had a character 416 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: like rust Cole who was kind of explaining to you 417 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: what the symbols mean, what the the deeper thing that 418 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 1: you can find within maybe these symbols, within this. I 419 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: think it exists there, and that for that, I'm very happy. However, 420 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: I think it's I really personally think it's suffered from 421 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: having too many characters, trying to tell too many stories, 422 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: and not being able to focus its energy onto one 423 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: or two things. It was just weird for me because 424 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: it almost felt like by the time it found its footing, 425 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: it was like too late kind of yeah, I mean 426 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: the last two episodes, three episodes even to me, we're 427 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: pretty solid. And I almost like I was hate watching 428 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: it up to that point. I'm not kidding, Like I 429 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: was just you know, hate watching Yeah, I really was. 430 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: I was just like, this dialogue is awful, these characters 431 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: don't make sense, the casting is is lopsided and bizarre. 432 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: Then by the end it was like, oh, well, okay, 433 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: there's really some stuff coming home to roost here, and 434 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: like there's actually some really interesting development and some of 435 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: the things that at the time seemed ridiculous for these 436 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: characters to do actually sort of make sense in the 437 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: grand picture of the things. So I would argue that 438 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: maybe it's worth watching, like binge watching, you know, like 439 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: you kind of give a sense of who the characters are, 440 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: you don't forget because it's like one thing that I 441 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: had a problem with is like there would be characters 442 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: that you maybe saw once or twice and then maybe 443 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: we're named once or twice and then you don't ever 444 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: see him again until they pop up and oh they're 445 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: actually really really important. But use that again. It's anyway 446 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: I don't want to get to overboard with it. I 447 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: just wanted to do a little post well because I 448 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: actually wanted to talk about Ben and I discussed it briefly, 449 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, Ben, I don't mean to just talk 450 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: and talk and talk to you about about I think 451 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: I really you like, I had pacing problems and and 452 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: too many characters. You're You're right, but yeah, give it 453 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: a chance. If you have not watched it yet, give 454 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: it a chance. It's a good conversation starter, that's for sure. 455 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yes, just like season one. My favorite 456 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: parts of watching season one within coming to work and 457 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: then discussing with everybody what we think is happening or 458 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: what's going on. Oh. I loved this season one, and 459 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 1: for an entirely selfish reason because I did think it 460 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: was it was a great show and the time you 461 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: spent on its shows. But I loved it because suddenly 462 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: people cared about the book The King and Yellow and 463 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: other stories and uh, I've never heard of it. Well, 464 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: I had only heard of it because it has you know, 465 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: it has this love crafty and air and it got 466 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: sucked into that whole Methos and Uk Josh might still 467 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: have my copy or did I just get another copy? 468 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: But the book itself has some has some pretty neat 469 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: stuff to mythology. It's hitt and this for sure, it 470 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: has ah literally well as virtually nothing to do with 471 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: this stuff. And True Detective thematically it makes sense because 472 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: the Yellow King is in that book a a figure 473 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: like there's this three act play, that's what. And the 474 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: three act play occurs in these different stories and the 475 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: ideas that when you read the first act, it's great, 476 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: it's interesting. It put only on second act blah blah blah. 477 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: By the time you get to the third act, you 478 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: are insane and your brain is driven to the darkness 479 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,239 Speaker 1: beyond the stars Decarcosa where the Yellow King dwells, and 480 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And uh, that's not really what 481 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: True Detective is about at all, but it is. It 482 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: is an interesting thematic underpinning. And unlike the Monster with 483 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: twenty one faces, the True Detective case was solved. Yes, 484 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: some people sort well, there's a spiric victory, yes, and uh, 485 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: not to give we don't want to give too much 486 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: away here. We want you guys all to be excited 487 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: about watching these shows, because, honestly, when there's good television 488 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: or a good story put on camera. Ah, just makes 489 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: us all happy. I think, Yeah, there's a there's a 490 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: renaissance I believe for TV shows. But also also I 491 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: defer to you guys opinion on this because you're both 492 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: far more knowledgeable about film in general than I am. 493 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: I'll have conversations with these guys, ladies and gentlemen, where 494 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: if if a lot, if a bunch of movies come 495 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: out at once, and I will walk up to maternal 496 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: or some of our other coworkers, uh and ask them 497 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: which one I'm supposed to watch, because they just have 498 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: tied way through all of them? You know? Should we 499 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: should we go ahead and talk about the gifts now? 500 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: Or no? No, let us never speak of that horrible, 501 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: horrible film other than to say, lady and gentlemen, we 502 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: are going to help you. We're going to save two 503 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: hours of your life. Don't see that film? Oh man, 504 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: I don't you know. I hate to be so blunt 505 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: about it. Well, you know what, maybe you'll like it, 506 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: Maybe you'll like it, takes all types. I haven't seen it. 507 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: I hear great things, alright, So before I give myself 508 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: it to a troubler, go on another rant. We are 509 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: going to head out reminder, Please do let us know 510 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: what you think about the monster. It's one in one faces, 511 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: will this ever be solved? And please let us know 512 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: what other unsolved crimes exist in your neck of the woods, 513 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: on your part of the globe. You can write to 514 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: us directly. We're Facebook and Twitter Conspiracy Stuff. You can 515 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: also check out our podcast on your choice of streaming 516 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: device or i ituning. Can you can itune it? If 517 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: that's a verb, I don't know. We're we're like old 518 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: school ituners. We've been around for while on that one, 519 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: not as long as some, but we put in. 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