WEBVTT - From the Vault: Jupiter’s Children

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, you, Welcome to Stuff to Blow your mind. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. And it's Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>The vault hangs open. And of course today's Vault episode

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<v Speaker 1>is more than a regular Vault episode. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>cosmic odyssey. That's right. We are going to meet Jupiter's children,

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<v Speaker 1>the Galileean moons, the Jovian offspring. I don't have another synonym,

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<v Speaker 1>the moons of Jupiter. Yes, you will go there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like its own Solar system. Uh and and each

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<v Speaker 1>one is just a fascinating, literally otherworldly destination. We can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait till you get to the end and experience the

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<v Speaker 1>fiery planes of Io. Welcome to Stuff to Blow your mind.

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<v Speaker 1>From how Stuff Works dot com. It really is darker

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<v Speaker 1>out here in the outer Solar System. Your space freighter's

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<v Speaker 1>one remaining forest dome struggles but barely scrapes along, surviving

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<v Speaker 1>the plants still put out leaves. It seems only yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>that you defied orders to jettison the dome and return

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<v Speaker 1>to Earth immediately, but instead you absconded. You took the

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<v Speaker 1>plant life capsule, and you flew away away from the Sun,

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<v Speaker 1>out into the Outer Solar System. You have only the

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<v Speaker 1>forest and a pair of robots now to accompany you

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<v Speaker 1>through this long twilight. You'd hope to pass beyond Jupiter

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<v Speaker 1>and find refuge within the rings of Saturn, but the

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<v Speaker 1>great gas giant will not be defied. It's massive gravity

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<v Speaker 1>tugs at your humble freighter. The red eye of its

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<v Speaker 1>century spanning storm taunts you as Jupiter drags you into

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<v Speaker 1>the orbital realm of its many moons. But still there's hope.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps one of the four Eater moons the Galilean moons

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<v Speaker 1>will offer some place of refuge. But which of these

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<v Speaker 1>strange and hostile worlds might serve as a new home

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<v Speaker 1>for you and this geodesic refugium from Old Earth's lost

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<v Speaker 1>bio diversity. Hey, welcome to stuff to blow your mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and

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<v Speaker 1>you should imagine yourself in the scenario we just described.

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<v Speaker 1>You're in some kind of spacecraft, hopefully one that has

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<v Speaker 1>some some plants along with it to keep you sustained

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<v Speaker 1>through the long Outer Solar System journey, and no hostiles

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<v Speaker 1>you know, more th onboard exactly, and you are caught

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<v Speaker 1>in the gravitational influence of the planet Jupiter. You didn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean to end up this way, but hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Jupiter's gravity is something that's difficult to escape. And now

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<v Speaker 1>now you're stuck spiraling in towards Jupiter, slowly decaying in

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<v Speaker 1>your orbit, getting closer and closer all the time. But

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<v Speaker 1>one thing you have noticed is that you will get

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<v Speaker 1>to see a close up view and perhaps, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>lucky enough, maybe land on Jupiter's four largest moons, known

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<v Speaker 1>as the Galilean moons. This is the tour we want

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<v Speaker 1>to take you on today. Indeed, these moons are of

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<v Speaker 1>course of immense interest to science. Now, one analogy that

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<v Speaker 1>I think is interesting to help us understand the way

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<v Speaker 1>the Jupiter system and its gravitational influence works, is to

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<v Speaker 1>think of Jupiter kind of like a star within our

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<v Speaker 1>solar system, like it's its own star, and the planet,

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<v Speaker 1>the moons that are going around Jupiter a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like planets orbiting this solar system within a solar system. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>because it is a massive planet, it's mass is three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and seventeen point eight to eight uh times that

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<v Speaker 1>of Earth, and uh it's of course a gas giant

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<v Speaker 1>it's mostly gas. It might have a solid core about

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<v Speaker 1>the size of Earth at the center, possibly a rocky

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<v Speaker 1>ice covered core with insane levels of atmospheric pressure and

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<v Speaker 1>temperatures hotter than the surface of the Sun. And Jupiter

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<v Speaker 1>features no fewer than sixty seven lunar objects. That includes

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<v Speaker 1>fifty confirmed moons and seventeen unconfirmed or provisional moons. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and these are the ones we know about. Yeah, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they've got cool names like Metis and and Drastia.

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<v Speaker 1>And then of course there's also the There are also

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<v Speaker 1>three faint gossamer rings around Jupiter as well, certainly not

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<v Speaker 1>as robust as the Saturn's rings, but they're there nonetheless.

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<v Speaker 1>So we should back up and start at the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're learning a whole lot more about Jupiter's moons,

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<v Speaker 1>especially Jupiter's Galilean moons, the ones we're going to focus

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<v Speaker 1>on today, the four largest moons, But we were learning

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more about that recently. But we've known about

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<v Speaker 1>Jupiter since ancient times because you don't need a telescope

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<v Speaker 1>to see Jupiter. That's right, it's visible from Earth, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it factors into many ancient systems of astrology by

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<v Speaker 1>virtue virtue of that cosmology. The Roman name Jupiter stems

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<v Speaker 1>from the king of the gods, but the planet to

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<v Speaker 1>plays a role in many cultural beliefs. In Chinese astrology,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, it's the character of Foo uh character of

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<v Speaker 1>foods tied to Jupiter, and he's the embodiment who is Foo.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the embodiment of good fortune uh, symbolized in a

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<v Speaker 1>scholars dress, and he's cradling a child. The three stars

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<v Speaker 1>that you'll often see. You often see these three statues

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<v Speaker 1>of these men in Chinese households, Chinese businesses uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>they each kind of they each represent a different form

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<v Speaker 1>of of idealized to success. So one is old and

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<v Speaker 1>wise one and one is a successful with his family,

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<v Speaker 1>and the other one is successful with business. I always

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<v Speaker 1>think it's interesting that we see this cross cultural phenomenon

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<v Speaker 1>of associating planetary bodies or objects in the sky with gods. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's fascinating because you see this in other systems as well.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, the Vedic astrology, Jupiter is everything from the

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<v Speaker 1>dwarf incarnation of Vishnu to to Ganesha or sometimes Brahma.

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<v Speaker 1>So it it varies with within that system. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that Jupiter always seems to have a pretty cushy role

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<v Speaker 1>within a given a given cultures astrology. Yeah, so we

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned that ancient cultures knew about Jupiter because you can

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<v Speaker 1>see it with the naked eye, But one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things they didn't know was much more about Jupiter other

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<v Speaker 1>than it being a point of light. That's right. For instance,

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<v Speaker 1>when we think of Jupiter, what what do we picture?

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<v Speaker 1>We picture that big, big gas giant with a big

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<v Speaker 1>red eye, right, red spot, Yeah, the giant red hurricane

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<v Speaker 1>on Jupiter's outer surface. Yeah, it's great to focus in

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<v Speaker 1>on on the red storm because it helps us really

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<v Speaker 1>understand Jupiter and our relationship to Jupiter. Because, for one,

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<v Speaker 1>on one hand, that storm has not been there forever, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and it will not be there forever, but it spans centuries,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been there as long as we've been able to

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<v Speaker 1>see Jupiter in that kind of detail. Uh. And it

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<v Speaker 1>in the storm itself is two to three times the

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<v Speaker 1>size of Earth. Uh. So that helps put again the

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<v Speaker 1>massive scale of Jupiter. Can you imagine in reference if

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth we had storms that lasted for I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of years. I've I've thought about it, like when

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<v Speaker 1>you start teasing apart our weather system and you start

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the different the different systems involved there, and

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<v Speaker 1>the different factors that end up decreasing a hurricane's power.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what if those were not there? What if

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<v Speaker 1>you had a scenario where the storm was essentially just

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<v Speaker 1>a permanent part of the planet as a mortal individual

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<v Speaker 1>would experience it. You know, that would be a great

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<v Speaker 1>set up for like a sci fi thriller. Imagine the

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<v Speaker 1>weather conditions on Earth change that such that tornadoes tend

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<v Speaker 1>not to dissipate on their own unless you have to.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to find a way to essentially dissipate tornadoes

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<v Speaker 1>by force. Yeah, indeed, and that that red storm on

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<v Speaker 1>Jupiter is dissipating slowly but still there as of this recording. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as how far away Jupiter is, it's fo

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<v Speaker 1>four million miles seven million kilometers or five point two

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<v Speaker 1>astronomical units uh from the planet Earth. Okay, so we

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<v Speaker 1>know Jupiter is a gas giant, but you always wonder

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<v Speaker 1>what's inside a gas giant. I mean, is it all

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<v Speaker 1>just gas or is there something solid inside there? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know for certain. We Uh, the atmosphere of

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<v Speaker 1>Jupiter is mostly hydrogen and helium, but it might have

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<v Speaker 1>a solid core about the size of Earth, and this

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<v Speaker 1>might be an icy covered core with just really insane

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<v Speaker 1>levels of atmospheric pressure and temperature is hotter than the

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<v Speaker 1>surface of the Sun. So it's very much the core

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<v Speaker 1>and not you know, not the surface of the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>But but you know, you can't help it. Imagine, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what if what if you could what if you could

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<v Speaker 1>transport yourself down to the physical surface of this gas world.

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<v Speaker 1>It would of course be just unimaginable with one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most hostile environments you can even envision in the

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<v Speaker 1>Solar System. Yeah, it's pretty rough. And one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that's going to come up repeatedly I think today

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<v Speaker 1>is how Jupiter, though it may look very serene and

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful to us, is it kind of meets that analogy

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<v Speaker 1>I worked out at the beginning about it being like

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<v Speaker 1>a star, because Jupiter is it has massive gravitational influence,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very electrically active, and it's just it's just full

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<v Speaker 1>of radiation. You don't want to go near Jupiter. Yeah, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>to be sucked into Jupiter would be to be sucked

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<v Speaker 1>into death, really, and that's one of the things we're

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<v Speaker 1>out lying in the intra material. Yeah, so it's really

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunate that we're slowly spiraling into Jupiter in today's thought experiment.

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<v Speaker 1>But but we should at least take the time to

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate the sites we'll see along the way. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh and and maybe if we're lucky, grasp onto

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<v Speaker 1>them and uh and seek refuge refuge upon them, because

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<v Speaker 1>even though they are all very hostile worlds in their

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<v Speaker 1>own right, uh, there's still a better bargain and they

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<v Speaker 1>still present a better chance for not only the potential

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<v Speaker 1>like the real life potential for for human visitation, but

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<v Speaker 1>in some of these cases we'll discuss the possibility for

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<v Speaker 1>extraterrestrial life. Yeah, Okay, Now, Jupiter is not entirely unexplored today.

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<v Speaker 1>We've actually sent quite a few probes Jupiter's way that

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<v Speaker 1>have that have orbited Jupiter and made various observations about

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<v Speaker 1>it and it's major satellites, right, that's right. To date,

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<v Speaker 1>NASA has sent nine space missions to or buy the

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<v Speaker 1>gas giant. So we're talking to the the Pioneer Program seventy four,

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<v Speaker 1>the Voyager Program seventy nine. Ulysses into Cassini in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand new horizons in two thousand seven. Also, Galileo is

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<v Speaker 1>a big one, and that's a through two thousand three Juno.

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<v Speaker 1>That one's of course a very current that's two thousands sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, there are various additional missions and schemes for

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<v Speaker 1>missions in the works. Oh yeah, I know the e

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<v Speaker 1>s A is working on the Juice Explorer, right, the

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<v Speaker 1>Jupiter Icy Moon Explorer, which I don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I agree with the wisdom of calling it Juice.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it seems just a little too cool, like like

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the name doesn't need to be that cool

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<v Speaker 1>because it's going to Jupiter exactly know, it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>the moons of Jupiter. That alone is is just mind bending. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so hopefully it's going to explore three of the

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<v Speaker 1>four main moons we're going to talk about today, the

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<v Speaker 1>icy moons of the icy Galilean moons of Jupiter. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's launching in two right, Yeah, I believe that's the

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<v Speaker 1>current plant. And NASA is currently putting together the Europa

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<v Speaker 1>Multiple flat by mission for the same time period. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>So I mentioned earlier thinking about the Jupiter system like

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<v Speaker 1>a solar system within a solar system. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>do that, of course you've lots of bodies out there.

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<v Speaker 1>We mentioned the sixties seven known satellites of Jupiter, things

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<v Speaker 1>that are orbiting, but a lot of them are very small.

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<v Speaker 1>If we do think about Jupiter like a solar system,

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<v Speaker 1>it has four main planets. That's right, they stand out

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<v Speaker 1>and the most due they're just their sheer size. And

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<v Speaker 1>these are Calisto, Ganymede, Europa, and Io. So you can

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<v Speaker 1>think of them as it's four scoops on a on

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<v Speaker 1>a Jovian ice cream cone, and you get the following

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<v Speaker 1>flavors of scoops. You'll get salty craters, magnets, ice, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course lava lava. That's a good flavor. Now, Robert,

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<v Speaker 1>did you know that you seem to be you're a

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<v Speaker 1>fan of ice cream metaphors? I did. I use them

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<v Speaker 1>when thinking about planets. I use them when thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>the brains. Though. Is this a good way of explaining

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<v Speaker 1>things to children? Did they just really grasp onto ice

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<v Speaker 1>cream metaphors? You know? I don't know. I guess it's

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<v Speaker 1>a good way to explain it to the child within Um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean maybe it comes back to sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>a Sesame Street mentality. You know, like I grew up

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<v Speaker 1>watching these visual representations, and it seems like it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like there were more than one Sesame Street skit that

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<v Speaker 1>had ice cream in them, So maybe that that ended

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<v Speaker 1>up sticking. I guess that does make sense. But it

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<v Speaker 1>is interesting to think about the flavors of each of

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<v Speaker 1>these moons because they kind of do each have their

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<v Speaker 1>own flavor, especially the inner two I think, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>each one is is its own weird world with its

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<v Speaker 1>own properties, its own unique landscape, and that's why we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to take our listeners on a journey through each one. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>one thing we should mention about all of these worlds

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of different than most of the inner planets

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<v Speaker 1>of the Solar system that we think about that have

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<v Speaker 1>like a soul, uh you know, a solar rotational day,

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<v Speaker 1>is that all of these moons are tidally locked with Jupiter.

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<v Speaker 1>The same side of the Moon always faces in towards Jupiter. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>almost like they're completely obedient. They dare not look away

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<v Speaker 1>from their their master, right yeah. Or or it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like in in Mario, you know, they're afraid to

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<v Speaker 1>turn their back on the ghosts because when the ghost

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<v Speaker 1>comes to get you. So we mentioned that these are

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<v Speaker 1>referred to as the Galilean moons, and we should probably

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<v Speaker 1>explain first how they were discovered and why they're called

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<v Speaker 1>the Galilean moons. Today. The obvious conclusion you might reaches

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<v Speaker 1>that they're named after Galileo. You know, he's an astronomer,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you assume to that, you'd be right. That's

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<v Speaker 1>where the name comes from. That's right. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>most of you are probably familiar at least a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit with Italian astronomer slash heretic Galileo galile He who

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<v Speaker 1>was born in fifteen sixty four died in sixteen forty two,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was a true renaissance man, uh in the Renaissance.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also a physicist and engineer, a philosopher, a mathematician,

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<v Speaker 1>a true superstar in the history of science and really

0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.880
<v Speaker 1>in the history of human civilization in general. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>it's really difficult to to overstate the importance the importance

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<v Speaker 1>of Galileo. Yeah, I mean often today scientific struggles against

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<v Speaker 1>ingrained orthodoxy are framed in terms of Galileo's struggle against

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<v Speaker 1>the the scientific and religious orthodoxy of the day. Both

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<v Speaker 1>of which opposed him. Yeah, well, our listeners a little

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<v Speaker 1>more about the controversy surrounding helio centritism. All right, yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>so you'll probably associate Galileo with helio centrism. The idea

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<v Speaker 1>that the planets in the Solar System go around the

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<v Speaker 1>Sun could have also the day in the at the

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<v Speaker 1>time meant that everything in the universe goes around the Sun.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, now we know that's not correct, but we

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<v Speaker 1>were still very much working our way outward and our

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<v Speaker 1>understanding of the universe. But it was certainly onto something

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<v Speaker 1>in the idea that the Earth goes around the Sun

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<v Speaker 1>and not the other way around the Earth end all

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<v Speaker 1>the other bodies in the Solar System. And so Galileo

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<v Speaker 1>did not come up with the idea of heliocentrism. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't invent this. This was a Copernican idea. It was

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<v Speaker 1>already in circulation, and Galileo was one of the Copernican

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<v Speaker 1>astronomers of the seventeenth century. However, a version of the

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<v Speaker 1>geocentric Aristotelian Ptolemaic model was what was dominant in the day,

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<v Speaker 1>was what most people believed. And in this model, the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth is It's not just that the Sun goes around

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth, and the Moon goes around the Earth and

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<v Speaker 1>all that. It's that the Earth is literally the center

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<v Speaker 1>of motion in the universe. So by by a principle

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<v Speaker 1>that centers on the Earth, the whole universe just goes

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<v Speaker 1>all goes around us. So we're what everything else is

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<v Speaker 1>focused on. And the role of Galileo's discovery is that

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<v Speaker 1>in observing the sphere of Jupiter's gravitational influence, Galileo provided

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<v Speaker 1>new evidence against that type of geocentrism that dominated in

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<v Speaker 1>his day, and one one piece of evidence became apparent

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<v Speaker 1>in January six when Galileo made his first round of

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<v Speaker 1>observations through a telescope looking at Jupiter. So Galileo also,

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<v Speaker 1>like not inventing helio centrism, did not invent the telescope,

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<v Speaker 1>but what he did do was improved it. He made

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<v Speaker 1>a series of improvements to a design of the telescope

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<v Speaker 1>that allowed him to resolve farther objects than ever before,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the time Galileo got the magnification power of

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<v Speaker 1>his telescope cranked up to twenty times, he aimed at

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<v Speaker 1>the planet Jupiter and he saw something really weird. As

0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:14.920
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned earlier, you can see Jupiter with the naked eye, right, yes, yeah,

0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:18.359
<v Speaker 1>And so ancient astronomers had been seeing Jupiter for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. They're already aware of its existence. But what

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<v Speaker 1>Galileo saw when he focused on Jupiter was interesting. He

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<v Speaker 1>saw stars. He saw three stars lined up right next

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<v Speaker 1>to Jupiter, almost as if strung along a spear extending

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<v Speaker 1>out through Jupiter's equator. So Galileo made a note of this,

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<v Speaker 1>and he decided to check back on it later. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if those had been stars that were just in the background,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if they just happened to line up with

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<v Speaker 1>Jupiter from the star field beyond the next time you

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<v Speaker 1>looked at Jupiter, they shouldn't be there, right, because Jupiter

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<v Speaker 1>should have moved on relative to the background starfield. Right.

0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:59.080
<v Speaker 1>They shouldn't be following the planet because there would be

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<v Speaker 1>distant opjecs ex on the planet exactly. But instead the

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<v Speaker 1>stars followed Jupiter. Where Jupiter went, the spear of stars

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<v Speaker 1>followed and they change their positions relative to Jupiter. And

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<v Speaker 1>so after some observation, Scalio realized that there are actually

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<v Speaker 1>four stars on this spear, not just three. And the

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<v Speaker 1>conclusion he realized was that these weren't stars. The star

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<v Speaker 1>spear was not a star spear, it was a moon spear.

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<v Speaker 1>These are moons that are orbiting Jupiter the same way

0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Earth's moon orbits the Earth. And so, okay, well, so

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<v Speaker 1>Jupiter has moons. What does that mean for the cosmological

0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:41.480
<v Speaker 1>debate of the day. Well, if there are moons orbiting Jupiter,

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<v Speaker 1>it disproves the Aristotelian principle that Earth is the universal

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<v Speaker 1>hub of motion of planetary bodies. Those moons don't orbit

0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.840
<v Speaker 1>the Earth, they orbit something else. And so this gives

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<v Speaker 1>you a kind of general principle of things orbiting things

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<v Speaker 1>rather than everything orbiting Earth. And it's clear that there's

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<v Speaker 1>more than one center of motion possible. There at least

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<v Speaker 1>two that now that we know of Jupiter and Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>And if there are two, you can assume they're probably

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<v Speaker 1>more than two. And this eventually led to the type

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<v Speaker 1>of thinking that showed us what was really out there

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of heliocentrism in the way gravity works. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I should also add that the discovery of Jupiter's moons

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't unique to Galileo, and he wasn't even necessarily the

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<v Speaker 1>only or first person to have discovered them. I found

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<v Speaker 1>accounts that at least one other guy, a German astronomer

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<v Speaker 1>named Simon Marius, discovered them independently at around the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's also been suggested that an ancient Chinese astronomer

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<v Speaker 1>named Gone Day might have discovered one of the moons

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<v Speaker 1>of Jupiter in the fourth century b c e. When

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<v Speaker 1>he said that he saw around Jupiter a small red star. Now, technically,

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<v Speaker 1>under the right circumstances, the moons of Jupiter should be

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<v Speaker 1>visible to the naked eye from Earth, and the only

0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.760
<v Speaker 1>thing that really prevents it is that Jupiter is too bright.

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<v Speaker 1>You look up at Jupiter and it's it's so bright

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<v Speaker 1>that it drowns out other tiny points of light that

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<v Speaker 1>are close to it, so you can't usually see them.

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<v Speaker 1>But if Jupiter weren't there, you should be able to

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<v Speaker 1>see these objects. Oh but you know what, I think

0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:15.720
<v Speaker 1>that sound means that we're coming up on Jupiter's first

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<v Speaker 1>gal and moon spiraling in from the outside, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the moon Callisto. Yes, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is a pretty good pit stop to consider.

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<v Speaker 1>So Callisto is about the size of the planet Mercury.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the third largest moon in the entire Solar System,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the outermost of the four Galileean moons. As

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<v Speaker 1>we've discussed, uh, it orbits beyond Jupiter's main radiation belts.

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<v Speaker 1>So Jupiter is highly radioactive, it's putting out a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of scary stuff, but Callisto is far enough away that

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<v Speaker 1>it's relatively safe. That's right. Yeah, we're we're outside of

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<v Speaker 1>that that death lea, the death zone. Yeah. It's also

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<v Speaker 1>the most heavily cratered o chick in the Solar system.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's interesting. Yeah, this is this is really fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>So as we as we as we we get closer

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<v Speaker 1>and closer, as we're able to observe the surface of

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<v Speaker 1>Callisto and maybe i know, hopefully even get out even

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<v Speaker 1>land our vessel and find a semi permanent home on

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<v Speaker 1>this uh this this strange moon. You would find that

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<v Speaker 1>the surface, to to walk the surface of Callisto would

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<v Speaker 1>be to walk a dead landscape of craters and occasional

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<v Speaker 1>small icy peaks. And this surface, this landscape has not

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<v Speaker 1>changed in four billion years. Yeah, that's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that we often associate having heavy cratering with, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like more cratering. You see the older the surfaces, because

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<v Speaker 1>what does cratering mean? It's been like that a long

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<v Speaker 1>time without any kind of repaving. That's right. This is

0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:54.760
<v Speaker 1>the last time Callisto suffered any extensive resurfacing was four

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<v Speaker 1>billion years ago. And there are no plate tectonics, there

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<v Speaker 1>are no volcanoes, a no active geology to alter the landscape.

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<v Speaker 1>So it seems like a kind of quiet, serene, dead Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's like a dinosaur world. Right. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>the moon itself is only four point five billion years old,

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<v Speaker 1>and again it hasn't changed in four billion um. It's

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<v Speaker 1>also the darkest of the four moons that we're discussing here,

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<v Speaker 1>in the least dents. So Callisto's composition is about half

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<v Speaker 1>water ice and half rocky material, and the mean surface

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<v Speaker 1>temperature of Callisto is negative two and eighteen point forty

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<v Speaker 1>seven degrees fahrenheit, and the thin atmosphere consists of mostly

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<v Speaker 1>carbon dioxide. Okay, so it may be very quiet and

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<v Speaker 1>serene on this on this seemingly dead rock. But should

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<v Speaker 1>we take away from that that Callisto is definitely not

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<v Speaker 1>a place to look for signs of life. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we've both watched enough science fiction to know that

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<v Speaker 1>that world that you land on it seems dead is

0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:59.080
<v Speaker 1>never It's not always really that dead. I have a

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<v Speaker 1>sidetrack to take here. Do you notice how in science fiction,

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<v Speaker 1>whenever you land on a planet that does turn out

0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:08.240
<v Speaker 1>to have hostile aliens on it, you never land where

0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:11.960
<v Speaker 1>the aliens are doing something. Right, then you always land

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<v Speaker 1>in somewhere where there's no sign of them, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>only after exploring for a while that you run into them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be it would be interesting to have that

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<v Speaker 1>story where the ship touches down and all the hideous

0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:28.000
<v Speaker 1>night creatures are already out, you know, viciously killing the

0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:30.280
<v Speaker 1>eight creatures that lived there during the day. I like

0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:33.320
<v Speaker 1>how the the viciously killing motion you made was like

0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:36.040
<v Speaker 1>lopping with shears. Yeah, Like I'm thinking like two big

0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:40.480
<v Speaker 1>old pincher arms that are just for stabbing apes. Um,

0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:43.520
<v Speaker 1>so we're not thinking about big pincher arms on Callisto.

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<v Speaker 1>But there might be something to look for here, right,

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Surprisingly, for a world that we've described in

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<v Speaker 1>these terms, you know, it's just being this dead crater landscape.

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<v Speaker 1>There is some talk of life on or more specifically

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<v Speaker 1>within Callisto. Specifically the stability of an electric, salty subsurface ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're probably wondering, well, where do we Where did

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:09.159
<v Speaker 1>we dream up this idea? How do you say? Who

0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:11.640
<v Speaker 1>says yeah, because you could say you couldn't you say

0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:13.760
<v Speaker 1>that about any world like, oh, well, maybe there's an

0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:16.200
<v Speaker 1>ocean beneath mercury. Now, so there's life on the moon.

0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Come on, it's the spiders from that what's that horrible movie?

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Horrible movie with spiders. Pick one. It's a rich, rich tapestry. Okay, sorry,

0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:28.560
<v Speaker 1>who said this about Callisto? Well, this comes from a

0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:32.080
<v Speaker 1>doctor Krishawn K. Corona of U c l A and

0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:36.520
<v Speaker 1>his colleagues who examined Galileo's measurements, Not not Galileo the scientists,

0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:39.719
<v Speaker 1>but Galileo the spacecraft that we mentioned earlier. Uh. They

0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:44.800
<v Speaker 1>examined galileos measurements of Callisto's magnetic field, and they noticed

0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:49.359
<v Speaker 1>that the magnetic field fluctuated in time with Jupiter's rotation. Okay,

0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:52.200
<v Speaker 1>so what does that mean. It means that Jupiter's powerful

0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:57.520
<v Speaker 1>magnetic field was creating electrical currents inside of Callisto, and

0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:03.320
<v Speaker 1>those currents, in turn created a fluctuating magnetic field. Around Callisto.

0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Now for that to happen, you need a conduct her

0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:10.679
<v Speaker 1>and that thin uh atmosphere crater skate that we've touched

0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:13.440
<v Speaker 1>on earlier, that's just not gonna cut it. What would work, however,

0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:16.560
<v Speaker 1>is a salty layer of melted ice down there, a

0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:22.080
<v Speaker 1>subsurface ocean electrolytes. Yeah, it's what alien life craves. Yeah,

0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:25.120
<v Speaker 1>a a a sub world gatorade ocean, if you will,

0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:31.560
<v Speaker 1>so cautiously, very cautiously, there is the potential for extreme

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:36.760
<v Speaker 1>file life within this theorized subsurface ocean. There's liquid water,

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:41.679
<v Speaker 1>perhaps salty, there's energy. So we'd be talking micro if

0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:44.760
<v Speaker 1>we were to you know, consider life using our only

0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:47.560
<v Speaker 1>model of it, which is Earth life, we'd be talking

0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:52.560
<v Speaker 1>micro organisms like our keya bacteria, salt loving bacteria. There

0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:56.439
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be any gigantic electronic moon whales. There wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>any uh, there's certainly no you know, mandible ape stab creatures.

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<v Speaker 1>But of and of course, it would also be very cold,

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<v Speaker 1>and the ocean would only be heated by radioactive elements.

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:11.280
<v Speaker 1>So it's a very very very very hostile environment that

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<v Speaker 1>we're picturing here. But based on our understanding of life

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth, it would not be impossible for something to

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<v Speaker 1>have evolved and and even thrive there. Still. Yeah, and

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:23.760
<v Speaker 1>though we do want to point out that when we

0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:27.160
<v Speaker 1>think about what hostile to life is, we're thinking about

0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:30.000
<v Speaker 1>hostile to Earth life, right, And of course the Earth

0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:33.640
<v Speaker 1>environment might be incredibly hostile to organisms adapted to some

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:36.720
<v Speaker 1>other kind of world. So, like you know, on Earth,

0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 1>on Earth we have oxygen and oxygen atmosphere. Oxygen is

0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:43.720
<v Speaker 1>nice to us because we're adapted to it, but it

0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:47.720
<v Speaker 1>could be highly corrosive to some other type of organism. Yeah, indeed,

0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:50.719
<v Speaker 1>so you know, with all this, it's it's relative based

0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 1>on our human perspective and our our preference for all

0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 1>things that support human life. Now, as far as the

0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:02.520
<v Speaker 1>exploration goes, we've we've had nothing Callisto specific in the past,

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:07.880
<v Speaker 1>but most missions to or by Jupiter involves some level

0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:10.439
<v Speaker 1>of callisto study. I mean, you're you're you're swinging by,

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:12.879
<v Speaker 1>it's in the neighborhood, it's one of the four largest moons.

0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:15.640
<v Speaker 1>You're you're gonna get some data off of it. Now,

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:18.440
<v Speaker 1>I know we mentioned earlier the juice. The juice is

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:21.560
<v Speaker 1>thinking about studying icy moons of Jupiter and that would

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:25.640
<v Speaker 1>include Callisto right indeed, and then as far as considering

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:29.720
<v Speaker 1>any kind of far future visitation or specific study there,

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 1>NASA's two thousand three Human Outer Space Exploration or HOPE

0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:41.040
<v Speaker 1>project suggested that in a hypothetical five Jovian mission UH,

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:44.919
<v Speaker 1>Callisto could serve as a base of operations UH for

0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:48.480
<v Speaker 1>study of Jupiter UH as well as other know outer

0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 1>Solar System concerns thanks to its stable geology and low

0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:56.360
<v Speaker 1>radiation so again, nothing's changing their no earthquakes, there no volcanoes,

0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 1>and you're outside of that death zone for the most part.

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:02.520
<v Speaker 1>So it would be a great place to UH to

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:06.240
<v Speaker 1>UH to tell operate say a Europa submarine we're going

0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 1>to do rope in a little bit a little bit

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:11.120
<v Speaker 1>or or other gallee and noon explorations. It could also

0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:14.000
<v Speaker 1>serve as a way station for outward bound vessels. I

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:16.840
<v Speaker 1>think that teleoperation idea is very interesting in the future

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 1>of space exploration because one of the things you often

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:22.960
<v Speaker 1>run into and space exploration is well, Okay, when you've

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 1>got a job that's very dangerous and and requires an

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:30.480
<v Speaker 1>extremely hardy explorer, you think, okay, we need a robot, right,

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:33.480
<v Speaker 1>But then when you've got a job that requires quick

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:36.840
<v Speaker 1>thinking and adaptability, you think you need a human explorer

0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>because I mean, a robot is not going to be

0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 1>able to figure out how to get around a problem

0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:44.200
<v Speaker 1>very easily if you didn't anticipate it in advance. And

0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 1>a good way I've heard of of bridging this gap

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:51.800
<v Speaker 1>is having teleoperated robots. So instead of putting a human

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.360
<v Speaker 1>on the surface of Europa, you have a human in

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 1>some nearby vessel, in a you know, spacecraft orbiting Europa

0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 1>or some or year by on Callisto maybe, and they

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 1>are essentially by by avatar type of control making a

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>robot do what it needs to do, but also being

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:12.880
<v Speaker 1>able to adapt to unexpected conditions and problems. So you

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:14.960
<v Speaker 1>send a robot to Europa, and you send maybe like

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 1>a human brain and a scream canister to Callisto to

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 1>remote control the robot in Europe. I feel like after

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:24.960
<v Speaker 1>reading about Callisto, though, I kind of felt bad for

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Callisto reading this proposal, because I'm like, you landed on Callisto.

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Callisto's cool, Callisto's fascinating. Don't get to Callisto and then

0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 1>dream of Europa. That's kind of inconsiderate. That's like, you're

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 1>you're hanging out with this friend, don't text that one

0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the other one during the hangout. But I mean, what

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:43.840
<v Speaker 1>if this other friend you're texting is just way more

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 1>likely to have life on them. It's true, it's true. Okay,

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I think we're gonna take a break, but when we

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 1>come back, we're going to get into the three inner

0:29:51.360 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Galilean moons where things really start to get interesting. Alright,

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 1>we're back. We've left Callisto, We've left that dead, cratered

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 1>world and it's a potential salt ocean hidden beneath its surface.

0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 1>What is our next destination in our journey? While our

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:18.760
<v Speaker 1>next destination isn't going to be all that different from

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Callisto in many respects. So we we left one cold, icy,

0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 1>rocky world and we're headed to another cold, icy, rocky world.

0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 1>But this one is Ganymede. Now, what the basic stats

0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 1>on Ganymy Ganymede is about in diameter about three thousand,

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 1>two hundred and seventy three miles across or five thousand,

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.080
<v Speaker 1>two hundred and sixty eight kilometers. This makes it the

0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 1>largest moon in orbit around Jupiter, and not just there

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:47.240
<v Speaker 1>in fact, it's the largest moon in the entire Solar System.

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 1>It's bigger than Pluto, bigger than the planet Mercury, but

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:56.240
<v Speaker 1>not nearly as massive due to low density composition. So

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 1>you take an interior cross section of this planet, imagine

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.280
<v Speaker 1>you could sheer away half of it and look at

0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 1>an interior profile. You've got an iron core kind of

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:10.760
<v Speaker 1>like Earth has, but it's also possibly partially molten iron,

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:13.000
<v Speaker 1>and that's important for something I'm going to get to

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 1>in a second. Then around that iron core you've got

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:20.160
<v Speaker 1>a layer of rocky inner mantle that's so like silicate

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:24.360
<v Speaker 1>rock standard rock, and then around that is a layer

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 1>of water ice, probably also some salty liquid water. And

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>then finally on top you've got an ice crust that

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 1>shows signs of age, craters and scarring. So the molten

0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 1>metal in the iron core is probably why Ganymede has

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:43.080
<v Speaker 1>its own magneto sphere like Earth, and and the fact

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:45.560
<v Speaker 1>that it has its own magnetosphere is interesting. A lot

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 1>of objects in the Solar System don't, but don't have

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:52.160
<v Speaker 1>a magnetic shield that extends outward from the planet, which

0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>makes possible visitation to those worlds all the more problematic.

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 1>So I'm thinking this. I mean, we missed Colisto. This

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:01.640
<v Speaker 1>one sounds like a good place to touch down. What's

0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 1>it like on the surface. Okay, well, let's take a

0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:05.840
<v Speaker 1>little tour of the surface of Ganymede. First of all,

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna notice as a thin oxygen atmosphere. But the

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.600
<v Speaker 1>emphasis is on thin. It's not thick enough that you

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 1>could breathe it. But there is gonna be a little

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:17.960
<v Speaker 1>bit of gas around there. And imagine you step out

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 1>of the spacecraft, say Anamde, so you're walking on ice.

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 1>The crust of the planet is ice. It's this dark,

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 1>endless plane of ice, possibly with some rocky elements here

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:31.080
<v Speaker 1>and there, but mostly it's going to be ice. It's

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 1>like a frozen pond extending over the whole planet. So

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 1>bring ice skates. Maybe, Actually I wonder, you know, if

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:43.120
<v Speaker 1>so ice is slippery here on Earth, is ice slippery

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>on Ganymede. I have no idea why I would even

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 1>wonder that. I would have to assume the physics are

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>somewhat similar, but maybe not. I mean, it depends. Yeah,

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 1>there's it's easy to take for granted something like ice skating,

0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 1>But ice skating it's going to depend on on what

0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 1>the gravity is like on the world, right, Yeah, yeah,

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 1>gravity and the surface conditions. Now, one thing actually I

0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 1>think is that ice is less slippery the colder it

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 1>gets outside, right, like an extremely cold conditions, You're less

0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 1>likely to slip on the ice. I feel like the

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:14.840
<v Speaker 1>novel that Forever War went into this a little bit.

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 1>I believe like there's a section where he was getting

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 1>into like the physics of being a visitor to an

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:22.560
<v Speaker 1>icy world and how slippery would be. But if then

0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:24.240
<v Speaker 1>a long time since I've read that left up here

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 1>from listeners, yeah, I would like to hear if you

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 1>have ideas about that. But anyway, you're out on this

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 1>ice crust, and one thing you can notice is that

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 1>you can, as you travel the surface of Ganymede move

0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 1>from different kinds of landscapes into one another. So Ganymede

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:44.120
<v Speaker 1>has interlocking sections of an old face and a young face.

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Both are made of ice, but the old face is dark,

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 1>covered in ancient craters from impacts over billions of years.

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 1>It's what we talked about earlier. You know, the more

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 1>craters you see on a surface, typically the older it

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:59.320
<v Speaker 1>is because it's been there to absorb blows from the

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:02.320
<v Speaker 1>shoe gallery of the Solar System for a longer period

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:04.760
<v Speaker 1>of time. Yeah, be aware of those planets where you

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 1>don't see craters everywhere because something's happening there. Yeah. The

0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:14.880
<v Speaker 1>craters on Ganymede I've read, are actually relatively smooth and gentle,

0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:17.239
<v Speaker 1>and this possibly might be from millions of years of

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:21.040
<v Speaker 1>ice settling. So unlike rock where there's a crater, it's

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:24.000
<v Speaker 1>a brittle crater with edges, and it remains that way

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:26.840
<v Speaker 1>for a long time. With ice, over a long period

0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:29.400
<v Speaker 1>of time, even though it's very cold, there is some

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:33.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of almost kind of gelatinous quality to the ice

0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:36.759
<v Speaker 1>over long enough time scales so be kind of like

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 1>an ice jelly. It's kind of like the way glaciers

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:43.560
<v Speaker 1>can deform over a long period of um. But then

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:47.160
<v Speaker 1>there's also a younger ice plaine on the surface of Ganymede,

0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:50.840
<v Speaker 1>so you can move from one dark, scarred plane to

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:54.760
<v Speaker 1>another one, and these these younger ice planes are brighter

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:58.080
<v Speaker 1>in color, with fewer craters, and instead of craters, you'd

0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 1>walk through these deep wooves known as sulki. Each each

0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 1>of these it's a sulcus, is this groove running along

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 1>the surface of the planet. It's like a wrinkle in

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:12.480
<v Speaker 1>the face of Ganymede, the sulci of Ganymede. I like it. Yeah,

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 1>it's beautiful. And what are those caused by? Well, it's

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 1>not exactly known, but I think the main idea I've

0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 1>read is that it's caused by internal stresses, entitled forces

0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:27.200
<v Speaker 1>acting upon the planet, kind of causing wrinkles and perturbations

0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:30.520
<v Speaker 1>in the crust. Okay, well, what are the natives like here? Well,

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:33.239
<v Speaker 1>if there are any, and there actually is a possibility,

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:34.839
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be kind of like what we talked

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:38.240
<v Speaker 1>about with callisso a similar kind of situations. Because findings

0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 1>announced by NASA and from the Hubble Space Telescope showed

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:47.880
<v Speaker 1>that Ganymede probably has liquid underground oceans sandwich between I

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:50.359
<v Speaker 1>see layers, And they figured this out by looking at

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 1>at the aurora around Ganymede and figured out that you know,

0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 1>to see the to see the charged particle displays that

0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:01.320
<v Speaker 1>we see around the outside of Ghanamy, we would probably

0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:03.719
<v Speaker 1>be expected that we would probably expect that to be

0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 1>caused by liquid oceans under the surface. Uh, and anywhere

0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:10.400
<v Speaker 1>of course that there's liquid water. We kind of have

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:13.920
<v Speaker 1>to wonder is there a possibility, And so that's the idea,

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:17.200
<v Speaker 1>and it's another case of subsurface liquid water that may

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:21.799
<v Speaker 1>indeed harbor microbial life. Now, past observations of Ganymede have

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:24.320
<v Speaker 1>been done by the some of the same missions we've

0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:27.719
<v Speaker 1>talked about in the past, the usual suspects here, and

0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 1>of course Ganymede is one of the potential targets of

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Juice that the juice, so it's we mentioned earlier, but

0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:37.920
<v Speaker 1>it's part of the Essays Cosmic Vision program. And the

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 1>idea is that the probe would launch in two putting

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:43.359
<v Speaker 1>it on course to arrive in the Jupiter System around

0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:47.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty and it would make observations of Jupiter itself but

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 1>also Europa, Ganymede, and Callisto. And the main focus on

0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Ganymede would be to learn more about its underground oceans

0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:57.400
<v Speaker 1>and whether they have the potential to sustain life. But

0:36:57.520 --> 0:37:00.400
<v Speaker 1>in addition to that, there are some Russian science tists

0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:03.880
<v Speaker 1>who want to put a lander on Ganymede. Again, this

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 1>would be to study potential habitable habitability. But this wouldn't

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:08.760
<v Speaker 1>just be a fly by. This would be a probe

0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:12.760
<v Speaker 1>settling down on the surface and uh, and using various

0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:15.160
<v Speaker 1>tools to figure out what's going on on the surface

0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 1>of Ganymede and and what might be going on under

0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 1>the surface. In indeed, that's a tantalizing part, right to

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:24.239
<v Speaker 1>to not only arrive there but too, but but to

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:27.560
<v Speaker 1>but to actually dig down into the surface and see

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:30.719
<v Speaker 1>if these oceans are really there and then what it

0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 1>consists up. Yeah, And of course Ganymede is not the

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:37.680
<v Speaker 1>only place where scientists want to drill under some ice

0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:41.360
<v Speaker 1>and look at habitability concerns. In fact, there's an even

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:43.879
<v Speaker 1>better spot to study that, and it's the one that's

0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:47.719
<v Speaker 1>coming up next on our death spiral into Jupiter. That's right,

0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:51.719
<v Speaker 1>Europa in Europa is quite a big one in our

0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 1>in our consideration of Jovian moods. Yeah, if you read

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 1>science fiction, I bet this is the most likely one

0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 1>you've read a story about. And it's often I would say,

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:03.680
<v Speaker 1>would you agree that of all the places in the

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:07.919
<v Speaker 1>Solar System, it's the one where astrobiologists most often talk

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 1>about the possibility of finding life. Yes, this is definitely

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 1>the one where where that has the most excitement around it.

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:18.239
<v Speaker 1>So Robert introduced us to this moon. We're coming up

0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:21.440
<v Speaker 1>on now right. So while the surface of Europa appears

0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:24.160
<v Speaker 1>to be a solid sheet of ice, scientists believe this

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:27.960
<v Speaker 1>outer shell hides a deep liquid ocean or an ocean

0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:31.840
<v Speaker 1>of of ice slush underneath, the heated by tidal friction

0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:36.080
<v Speaker 1>and thermal vents sixty two miles beneath Europa's ice caps.

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:40.280
<v Speaker 1>So Europa boasts a layered structure like Earth that consists

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:43.800
<v Speaker 1>of an iron core, a rock mantle around that core,

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:47.360
<v Speaker 1>a thick soft ice layer, and a thin crust of

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:51.360
<v Speaker 1>impure water ice over again what is probably a global

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:54.880
<v Speaker 1>subsurface water layer. Yeah, and so though Europa is a

0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 1>little bit smaller than Earth's moon, based on the Galileo data,

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:00.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, the data from the Galileta robe again not

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:04.920
<v Speaker 1>from Galileo galile uh, scientists think that Europa actually has

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:09.040
<v Speaker 1>more water on it than Earth does, which is pretty

0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:12.000
<v Speaker 1>incredible because Earth is often known as the water planet.

0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:14.400
<v Speaker 1>So if you you are the aliens from signs, it

0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:18.359
<v Speaker 1>is even worse to try colonizing Europa than Earth. Now

0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:23.520
<v Speaker 1>that ocean finding, as with Callisto's suspected subwa subsurface waters,

0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 1>come down to the Galileo spacecraft's measurements, specifically the manner

0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:33.640
<v Speaker 1>in which Jupiter's magnetic field was disrupted in space around Europa.

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:36.440
<v Speaker 1>And the theory is that the field is induced by

0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:41.720
<v Speaker 1>a large body of electrocly conductive salty fluid beneath the surface. Now,

0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:44.719
<v Speaker 1>if we're to actually move in a little closer, if

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:47.879
<v Speaker 1>we were to touch down on Europa, what would we find. Well,

0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:51.440
<v Speaker 1>the surface is apparently a vast landscape of frozen ice

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:55.319
<v Speaker 1>and it's criss crossed by long linear fractures and these

0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:58.799
<v Speaker 1>are caused by tidal flexing, the tidal force caused by

0:39:58.880 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Jupiter's gravity. There are very few craters to be seen

0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:06.440
<v Speaker 1>bloomishing this landscape, as as the surface is actually quite young,

0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:10.520
<v Speaker 1>only for million years old, which is kind of creepy

0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:13.800
<v Speaker 1>when you think about it. Yeah, this this ancient planet.

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:16.880
<v Speaker 1>We've never been there and it's got a young surface. Yeah,

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:20.160
<v Speaker 1>that's that's the first red red flag for any sci

0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:24.920
<v Speaker 1>fi visitors. Right now. You'll also spot reddish brown materials

0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:28.160
<v Speaker 1>and some of the fractures and splotchy deposits, and we're

0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:30.319
<v Speaker 1>not yet sure what those are exactly. It might be

0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:34.279
<v Speaker 1>magnesium sulfate, maybe sulfuric acid hydrate. You know, I think

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:38.120
<v Speaker 1>I've read that recent research suggested that the dark discolorations

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:40.960
<v Speaker 1>on Europea's ice crust could be caused by sea salt,

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:45.160
<v Speaker 1>supposed to radiation. Yet another piece of evidence that the

0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:48.560
<v Speaker 1>water below the ice crust might be salty. Well, there

0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:52.120
<v Speaker 1>you go. Now you'll also come across pits and domes

0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 1>in the ice that suggest that it could be slowly

0:40:55.560 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 1>turning over or convecting due to heat from the possible

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:04.279
<v Speaker 1>oceans below. Or maybe they're just the dome cathedrals and

0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 1>fighting pit of some weird off world elder species right now. Now, wait,

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:12.800
<v Speaker 1>a second heat coming from the oceans below. Now that's interesting. Yeah, yeah,

0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:16.080
<v Speaker 1>that's because if there's heat, that's one more possibly. Not

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:18.399
<v Speaker 1>only do we have a salty ocean, but there's there's heat,

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:21.760
<v Speaker 1>there's energy their energy rich, yeah, energy rich, more potential

0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:25.839
<v Speaker 1>for life. Now there's also the chaos terrain. This is

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:29.320
<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite terms in astronomy. Is it astronomy,

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:33.879
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, astrogeology, planetology, Yeah, I guess so. Yeah,

0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:37.960
<v Speaker 1>the chaos terrain. This is a broken, blocky landscape covered

0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:41.840
<v Speaker 1>in the mysterious reddish material that we mentioned earlier. So

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:45.440
<v Speaker 1>it might be spots of geogeologic activity. It might be

0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:48.800
<v Speaker 1>places where the ice has collapsed into lakes in the ice.

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:52.399
<v Speaker 1>And it's also possible that we're just merely over interpreting

0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:57.920
<v Speaker 1>h imperfections in the Galileo spacecraft imagery. Oh yes, and

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:01.800
<v Speaker 1>is revealed in the in two thousand thirteen Hubble telescope data.

0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Europa is actively venting plumes of water into space. So

0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:11.040
<v Speaker 1>this means that it is definitely geologically active. So it's

0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:14.280
<v Speaker 1>like geyser is shooting off of the Yeah. Yeah, So

0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:16.240
<v Speaker 1>so we've got that to think of two, like space

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:19.719
<v Speaker 1>geysers shooting water into space. So does it have an

0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:23.440
<v Speaker 1>atmosphere at all? It does. It has a molecular oxygen

0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:26.840
<v Speaker 1>and O two atmosphere. Hydrogen floats away from the planet

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:30.440
<v Speaker 1>because it's too light and collects in a gas torus

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:34.520
<v Speaker 1>around the planet. Less impressive than than the one on

0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:38.839
<v Speaker 1>Io that will discuss, but still pretty pretty interesting nonetheless.

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:42.640
<v Speaker 1>And as far as size goes for your Europa, it's

0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 1>slightly smaller than Earth's moons. So Europa is the smallest

0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 1>of the four Gallean moons. Yes, but size doesn't necessarily

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:53.160
<v Speaker 1>matter when it comes to subsurface life, that's right, So

0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:57.520
<v Speaker 1>if Europa's oceans do exist, and we're pretty sure they do,

0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:01.120
<v Speaker 1>it's I think most scientists agree that's what's what's going

0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:04.480
<v Speaker 1>on under there. Then the tides might also create volcanic

0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:07.759
<v Speaker 1>or hydrothermal activity on the sea floor, supplying nutrients that

0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:11.319
<v Speaker 1>could make the ocean sustainable for living things. Yeah. So

0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 1>often when you want to imagine what kind of alien

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:18.360
<v Speaker 1>life could exist on place, in places other than Earth,

0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 1>it's a good idea to look at extrema files on Earth.

0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:25.360
<v Speaker 1>What exists in some of the most difficult conditions on Earth.

0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:27.560
<v Speaker 1>And one of the things to look out on Earth

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 1>might be the life that is sustained by hydrothermal vents

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:33.399
<v Speaker 1>on the ocean's floor. Yes, we're talking about deep, dark

0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:36.799
<v Speaker 1>places where really the only font of energy is is

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:40.080
<v Speaker 1>the the the hydrothermal vent. But that is, you know,

0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:44.000
<v Speaker 1>pumping out some very high temperatures in an otherwise cold

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:46.799
<v Speaker 1>and light lift environment. And uh, and there are there

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:50.400
<v Speaker 1>are organisms that have evolved to thrive in that environment.

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:52.760
<v Speaker 1>But look again, it's go back to what you said earlier.

0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:54.799
<v Speaker 1>We call them extreme of files. But of course, if

0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:58.120
<v Speaker 1>that were the only place life could exist on a world,

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:01.080
<v Speaker 1>would they really be extreme of aisles. It kind of

0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:03.839
<v Speaker 1>depends on how you know where you're approaching it from it. Yeah,

0:44:03.920 --> 0:44:06.000
<v Speaker 1>that's what they're adapted to. Yeah, I mean, try to

0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:08.400
<v Speaker 1>put them in a in a lush farm land on

0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Earth and then you would die out. That would be

0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:12.759
<v Speaker 1>their extreme environment. Yeah. So there's a lot of a

0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:16.719
<v Speaker 1>lot of hope, a lot of excitement, uh, specifically for

0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Europa because a number of the factors UH in the

0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:24.000
<v Speaker 1>or in the emergence of life seemed to exist there. Yeah,

0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:27.400
<v Speaker 1>and because of that, Europa is a prime target for

0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:32.560
<v Speaker 1>future exploration and research. So we've mentioned Juice. Juice wants

0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:35.320
<v Speaker 1>to go to Europa, of course, but what else is

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:38.719
<v Speaker 1>going to Europa? Well, NASA is currently putting together the

0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Europa Multiple fly By mission for the same time period.

0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:45.920
<v Speaker 1>That mission is scheduled launch in arriving at the Jovian

0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:50.840
<v Speaker 1>System in two seems to be a big year in general.

0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:53.880
<v Speaker 1>According to a BBC report from actually earlier this month,

0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:57.160
<v Speaker 1>NASA is eyeing that year as a potential launch date

0:44:57.200 --> 0:45:00.600
<v Speaker 1>for a soft landing mission to Europa. All so es

0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:05.360
<v Speaker 1>A scientists are currently considering these five different concepts um

0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:08.600
<v Speaker 1>for their own explorations So one is a remote sensing

0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:12.920
<v Speaker 1>instrument that would go aboard that that American two probe.

0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Another is a small free flying satellite that would detach

0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:20.600
<v Speaker 1>from this probe. Another is a small satellite that would

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:23.759
<v Speaker 1>detach from the lander's mother ship. Another is one or

0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:29.759
<v Speaker 1>two instrumented projectiles that would drop from the mother ship projectiles. Yeah,

0:45:30.000 --> 0:45:32.160
<v Speaker 1>and we'll we'll get to to the projectile aspect here

0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:34.759
<v Speaker 1>in a second. Also an instrument to ride on the

0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:39.560
<v Speaker 1>soft lander and uh quote unquote do science at the surface. Um.

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 1>I love it when landers do science. Yeah, I mean

0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:44.320
<v Speaker 1>it's one of those things where it's you know that

0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:48.000
<v Speaker 1>we're in the early enough stages for figuring out exactly

0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:50.040
<v Speaker 1>what it would do, but then we also know a

0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:54.319
<v Speaker 1>number of the science that it would do. But then

0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:57.319
<v Speaker 1>the one that really is fascinating is the idea of

0:45:57.400 --> 0:46:01.400
<v Speaker 1>a penetrator hard Lander. So this would a steel missile

0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:06.600
<v Speaker 1>loaded with sensors that strikes at three hundred miles per

0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:09.839
<v Speaker 1>second and collects data on the interior. So we're talking

0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:12.960
<v Speaker 1>some very rugged instruments. They've apparently tested this out a

0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:15.160
<v Speaker 1>little bit on Earth, uh and found that, yes, that

0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:18.759
<v Speaker 1>the instruments do survive such an impact. Well, that's one

0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:21.200
<v Speaker 1>of the interesting questions is what we would do to

0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 1>get to that subsurface ocean, because so you'd have to

0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 1>if you land on the surface of Europa, if you

0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:30.759
<v Speaker 1>imagine it has an extremely thick ice crust and the

0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:34.160
<v Speaker 1>subsurface ocean is underneath that, you'd have to drill down

0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:36.480
<v Speaker 1>or melt down to get to it. And then once

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:38.600
<v Speaker 1>you're down there, how do you get the data back

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:40.960
<v Speaker 1>up to the surface. Right, And and we don't want

0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:44.080
<v Speaker 1>to discount just the journey to any of these moons

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 1>in general, because this is not like the friendliest neighborhood

0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:49.480
<v Speaker 1>to enter into your kind of entering. As we mentioned,

0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:52.520
<v Speaker 1>you're kind of going into a sub solar system with

0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:58.200
<v Speaker 1>plenty of objects singing around with rings, etcetera. So it's, uh,

0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:00.319
<v Speaker 1>there are a number of factors that there are a

0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:03.840
<v Speaker 1>number of hurdles to even getting to your destination. Now, Robert,

0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:07.319
<v Speaker 1>have you seen the science fiction movie Europa Report. I

0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:11.680
<v Speaker 1>have not. I really liked Europa Report. I I would

0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:13.759
<v Speaker 1>be interested in hearing what you guys out there think,

0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:16.680
<v Speaker 1>our listeners. Have you seen this movie? I thought it

0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:19.440
<v Speaker 1>was cool and that it was a modest science fiction

0:47:19.480 --> 0:47:23.040
<v Speaker 1>movie that did it did a lot with a little

0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:25.480
<v Speaker 1>and one thing I really liked about it is that

0:47:25.520 --> 0:47:29.200
<v Speaker 1>it was truly a science fiction movie about the exploration

0:47:29.239 --> 0:47:32.400
<v Speaker 1>of Europa and science fiction, I mean, um, a lot

0:47:32.480 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 1>of movies that are called science fiction are really just

0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:39.840
<v Speaker 1>sort of action fantasy where the instead of having magical weapons,

0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:42.959
<v Speaker 1>you have technological weapons, but they're still basically the same

0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:46.320
<v Speaker 1>the viewer that has no idea what it's just. Instead

0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:49.800
<v Speaker 1>of having a religious or supernatural explanation for the magic,

0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:53.719
<v Speaker 1>it is a vaguely science explanation for them magic. Yeah, exactly.

0:47:53.760 --> 0:47:55.840
<v Speaker 1>And this movie was not like that. I mean that

0:47:55.960 --> 0:47:58.600
<v Speaker 1>it was a science fiction movie in that the plot

0:47:58.640 --> 0:48:02.640
<v Speaker 1>was inherently about science. It had a it has scientific

0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:05.160
<v Speaker 1>plot and the scientific thrust, and the characters had a

0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:08.719
<v Speaker 1>scientific mission that was actually grounded in real things we'd

0:48:08.719 --> 0:48:10.920
<v Speaker 1>want to learn in the real ways we'd go about

0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:14.400
<v Speaker 1>trying to learn them. Uh. And so I won't I

0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:16.600
<v Speaker 1>will try not spoil anything about the movie, but they

0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:20.080
<v Speaker 1>it's a movie about a manned mission, or I should

0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:23.000
<v Speaker 1>say a crude mission, a mission with a crew going

0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:26.120
<v Speaker 1>to the surface of Europa and trying to figure out

0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:28.560
<v Speaker 1>if there's life in the oceans underneath and so I

0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:32.600
<v Speaker 1>give it a thumbs up. Does hilarityst No, not really

0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:38.200
<v Speaker 1>hilarity maybe some I, without spoiling too much, I will

0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:41.400
<v Speaker 1>say that things don't go exactly to plan. Did it

0:48:41.400 --> 0:48:50.759
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be much of a movie, all right. Well, at

0:48:50.800 --> 0:48:56.839
<v Speaker 1>this point, let us sadly leave Europa with its mysteries unsolved,

0:48:57.239 --> 0:49:02.080
<v Speaker 1>and continue on to the innermost of the Galilean moons. Yes,

0:49:02.680 --> 0:49:09.160
<v Speaker 1>now does time. We're approaching Io. It's spelled two letters io,

0:49:09.520 --> 0:49:12.319
<v Speaker 1>and that seems to make sense. But because there's a

0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:17.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of grinding simplicity and beauty and weirdness to this planet,

0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:22.960
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's maybe the strangest and most gorgeous of

0:49:23.000 --> 0:49:25.640
<v Speaker 1>all of them, and of all of them it most

0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:31.080
<v Speaker 1>wants to kill you. So IOW is Jupiter's innermost Galileean moon.

0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:34.600
<v Speaker 1>In terms of diameter, it is slightly, but only slightly

0:49:34.719 --> 0:49:39.000
<v Speaker 1>larger than Earth's moon. It's almost comparable in size, and

0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:43.200
<v Speaker 1>its orbit keeps it within four hundred and two kilometers

0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:47.799
<v Speaker 1>or two hundred sixty two thous miles of Jupiter. That's

0:49:47.840 --> 0:49:50.640
<v Speaker 1>not not a whole lot farther than the distance between

0:49:50.719 --> 0:49:54.239
<v Speaker 1>the Earth and its moon, except think about how big

0:49:54.320 --> 0:50:00.200
<v Speaker 1>Jupiter is yeah. Yeah, so what's yeah, So what's like

0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:04.000
<v Speaker 1>on the surface of Io. It's freezing hell and burning

0:50:04.040 --> 0:50:07.160
<v Speaker 1>hell at the same time, where the ground that you

0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:10.799
<v Speaker 1>walk on churns up and down like a tsunami as

0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:13.880
<v Speaker 1>the tides go in and out. On the solid world.

0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Io is a world of extremes. It's uh. It's the

0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:21.719
<v Speaker 1>most geologically active object in the Solar System, the whole

0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Solar System, including Earth, with more than four hundred active

0:50:25.400 --> 0:50:30.680
<v Speaker 1>volcanoes that we know about some eruptions. These volcanoes shoot

0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:34.600
<v Speaker 1>ejective plumes of three hundred kilometers or a hundred and

0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:37.239
<v Speaker 1>eighty six miles out into space above the surface. If

0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:40.719
<v Speaker 1>you see some images of these, it's incredible. It looks

0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:43.400
<v Speaker 1>like it looks like there's something else going on behind

0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:45.799
<v Speaker 1>Io that's being obscured by the planet. But no, you

0:50:46.120 --> 0:50:48.799
<v Speaker 1>that's not what it is. You're just seeing in profile

0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:53.640
<v Speaker 1>plumes of planet sized proportions exploding off of the surface.

0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:57.880
<v Speaker 1>And uh. And so the average temperature on the surface

0:50:58.040 --> 0:51:01.720
<v Speaker 1>is negative two hundred and two degrees fahrenheit or negative

0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:05.280
<v Speaker 1>a hundred and thirty degrees celsius, which is far colder

0:51:05.320 --> 0:51:10.120
<v Speaker 1>than the coldest natural temperature ever recorded on Earth, that is,

0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:13.680
<v Speaker 1>unless you're standing near one of Io's hundreds of volcanoes

0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:16.600
<v Speaker 1>while it's erupting, and here the temperatures are more like

0:51:16.760 --> 0:51:20.960
<v Speaker 1>three thousand degrees fahrenheit or D one thousand sixty nine

0:51:21.000 --> 0:51:25.279
<v Speaker 1>degrees celsius. There is an atmosphere, but it's thin and

0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:30.040
<v Speaker 1>mostly made of the toxic gas sulfur dioxide, which is

0:51:30.120 --> 0:51:33.319
<v Speaker 1>often associated with volcanic activity even on Earth. So if

0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:35.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, you get killed by toxic fumes near a

0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:39.520
<v Speaker 1>volcano or something like that, you may be breathing sulfur dioxide.

0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:44.359
<v Speaker 1>And speaking of sulfur compounds, the planet is also going

0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:49.120
<v Speaker 1>to be covered probably in fields of yellow snow. You

0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:51.399
<v Speaker 1>don't eat the yellow snow in this case, and it's

0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:55.560
<v Speaker 1>because it's sulfur dioxide snow. So the planet it has

0:51:55.600 --> 0:51:59.080
<v Speaker 1>these eruptions where these particles of sulfur dioxide gas come

0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:02.360
<v Speaker 1>out and go all around the planet. But then because

0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:05.040
<v Speaker 1>it's so cold, they tend to crystallize and fall down

0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:09.880
<v Speaker 1>as the sulfur dioxide yellow snow. Uh, So it's just

0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:14.120
<v Speaker 1>covered in these poisonous golden snow fields. But other than that,

0:52:14.200 --> 0:52:17.040
<v Speaker 1>it's a good place to visit. No, no, it's also

0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:22.319
<v Speaker 1>a blasted heath of radiation. So uh, it's the closest

0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:26.680
<v Speaker 1>to Jupiter and the most exposed to Jupiter's radiation. And

0:52:26.719 --> 0:52:31.799
<v Speaker 1>then there's also because Io is connected to Jupiter through

0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:36.240
<v Speaker 1>a sort of magnetic ring that comes out of Jupiter's magnetosphere,

0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:40.600
<v Speaker 1>it also creates what's called a plasma torus, which is

0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:45.360
<v Speaker 1>just this ring of killer charged particles flowing off of

0:52:45.440 --> 0:52:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Io and into Jupiter. Uh. And it's it's kind of unbelievable.

0:52:50.600 --> 0:52:52.320
<v Speaker 1>You you wouldn't want to get near it, you wouldn't

0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:53.960
<v Speaker 1>want to stand in it. You really don't even want

0:52:53.960 --> 0:52:57.680
<v Speaker 1>to fly a probe through it. And I mentioned earlier

0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:02.960
<v Speaker 1>the tidal heaving on Io. So on Io, there there

0:53:02.960 --> 0:53:06.480
<v Speaker 1>are tides, but there are no oceans. It doesn't have

0:53:06.960 --> 0:53:10.320
<v Speaker 1>water to have tides. It has tides in the ground itself.

0:53:11.239 --> 0:53:13.520
<v Speaker 1>Now other planets well too, tides of course, you know,

0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:16.520
<v Speaker 1>being influenced by the gravity of surrounding bodies. There's there's

0:53:16.520 --> 0:53:19.960
<v Speaker 1>tidal action acting on Io from Jupiter and from the

0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:23.880
<v Speaker 1>other moons that are going around Jupiter. But these incredibly

0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:28.320
<v Speaker 1>powerful gravitational forces, instead of moving water around on the surface,

0:53:28.440 --> 0:53:33.839
<v Speaker 1>end up moving the ground up and down hundreds of feet. Now,

0:53:33.880 --> 0:53:36.000
<v Speaker 1>from what I understand, I think you wouldn't feel this

0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:38.760
<v Speaker 1>like you know, waves coming up and down really fast

0:53:38.880 --> 0:53:42.440
<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. But it does. This tidle flexing

0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:45.839
<v Speaker 1>and stretching of the solid mass of the planet does

0:53:45.920 --> 0:53:48.840
<v Speaker 1>lead to incredible friction. I mean, think what would happen

0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:52.359
<v Speaker 1>if you were constantly flexing a rock in and out

0:53:52.760 --> 0:53:55.279
<v Speaker 1>to get pretty hot, And this is what happens to

0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:58.760
<v Speaker 1>the interior of Io, leading it to be this burning

0:53:58.840 --> 0:54:03.399
<v Speaker 1>hellscape within the freezing hellscape. Another crazy fact about Io

0:54:04.400 --> 0:54:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Jupiter is going to loom huge in the sky. The

0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:11.719
<v Speaker 1>NASA JPL website has a really interesting app that I

0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:15.160
<v Speaker 1>recommend you try to use it. It's the Solar System Simulator,

0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:18.440
<v Speaker 1>which lets you simulate looking at one object in the

0:54:18.480 --> 0:54:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Solar System from another object in the Solar System at

0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:25.040
<v Speaker 1>any given time. Uh. And I tried this out. I

0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:26.920
<v Speaker 1>was like, Okay, what does it look like looking at

0:54:26.960 --> 0:54:30.279
<v Speaker 1>Jupiter from Io right now? And from the surface of

0:54:30.280 --> 0:54:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Io right now? Jupiter currently takes about it takes up

0:54:33.280 --> 0:54:37.719
<v Speaker 1>about nineteen point five degrees in the sky, so you know,

0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:40.959
<v Speaker 1>imagine the degrees from horizon to horizon you've got about

0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:43.520
<v Speaker 1>a hundred and eighty degrees. Uh this so this is

0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:46.920
<v Speaker 1>about twenty degrees. That's like one ninth of the width

0:54:46.920 --> 0:54:49.920
<v Speaker 1>of the sky. It's crazy to imagine that. I mean,

0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:53.040
<v Speaker 1>it's it's crazy to imagine even of course, standing on

0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the surface of Io and you're I guess godlikes space

0:54:56.040 --> 0:55:00.600
<v Speaker 1>suit that somehow protects you from all of these extreme conditions. Somehow,

0:55:00.640 --> 0:55:02.640
<v Speaker 1>I think we're not ever going to be walking on

0:55:02.680 --> 0:55:05.840
<v Speaker 1>I yeah, I mean you would have to be dealing

0:55:05.920 --> 0:55:10.279
<v Speaker 1>with like a what like a level level one or

0:55:10.400 --> 0:55:15.279
<v Speaker 1>level two civilization just kardashi yea Cardachan level, like some

0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:19.440
<v Speaker 1>sort of like crazy sci fi field system like where

0:55:19.440 --> 0:55:21.399
<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't even be a physical suit as much as

0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:24.719
<v Speaker 1>like a crazy energy shield that is somehow protecting you

0:55:24.960 --> 0:55:28.600
<v Speaker 1>unless you're Sean Connery with a shotgun. Right. Oh? Yes, Um,

0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:31.480
<v Speaker 1>is it too early to mention Outland? No, it's not so.

0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Before we recorded the episode, we were talking about how

0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:38.240
<v Speaker 1>Robert just rediscovered that the movie Outland, the starring Sean Connery,

0:55:38.239 --> 0:55:40.799
<v Speaker 1>which is essentially high Noon in space. Yeah, it's a

0:55:40.840 --> 0:55:45.080
<v Speaker 1>space western, Uh, nice and gritty. It's it feels like

0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:48.440
<v Speaker 1>you could take place in the same universe as Alien US,

0:55:48.480 --> 0:55:51.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, a lesser film, but it has that kind

0:55:51.239 --> 0:55:55.799
<v Speaker 1>of grimy uh you know Workman's vision of life in

0:55:55.800 --> 0:55:59.799
<v Speaker 1>the solar the opposite of Flash Gordon. But it takes

0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:02.839
<v Speaker 1>place us on Io right again, How realistic is that?

0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Seems not very Yeah, it's been a while since I've

0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:08.239
<v Speaker 1>seen it, but I do not recall the I do

0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:10.799
<v Speaker 1>not recall any highly volcanic scenes. I could be wrong

0:56:10.800 --> 0:56:13.879
<v Speaker 1>on that. I felt feel like they delivered like a

0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:17.759
<v Speaker 1>cold or vision of Io. Yeah, but it's it's a

0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:22.200
<v Speaker 1>great film, very violent, a very very gritty space drugs,

0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:26.239
<v Speaker 1>space prostitutes, Sean Connie with a shotgun, Peter Boyle and

0:56:26.280 --> 0:56:28.680
<v Speaker 1>some other actors that would go on to to make

0:56:28.719 --> 0:56:30.600
<v Speaker 1>a name for themselves, and then the cast as well.

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:33.760
<v Speaker 1>Is it kind of like Leviathan in Space? Not really,

0:56:34.239 --> 0:56:37.160
<v Speaker 1>there's no monster. It's like it's a very human story.

0:56:37.200 --> 0:56:40.320
<v Speaker 1>It's it's essentially you know, it's it's a mining town

0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Western scenario. But on this Jovian, I guess I was

0:56:44.960 --> 0:56:48.759
<v Speaker 1>just going with the mining outpost aspect of Leviathan. Um,

0:56:48.800 --> 0:56:51.160
<v Speaker 1>do we need to talk about Leviathan on this podcast?

0:56:51.239 --> 0:56:55.000
<v Speaker 1>We can carry on. Sorry, I've seen that one more recently. Yeah,

0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:58.360
<v Speaker 1>well it does have a great poster. It does fabulous poster. Okay,

0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:01.680
<v Speaker 1>So back to Io. Given everything we've said so far

0:57:02.160 --> 0:57:08.120
<v Speaker 1>freezing hell and burning hell, uh, sulfur dioxide, vicious radiation bath,

0:57:08.800 --> 0:57:12.600
<v Speaker 1>we shouldn't expect this place to have any life at all, right,

0:57:13.239 --> 0:57:16.160
<v Speaker 1>it seems a ridiculous proposition. Also, no liquid water on

0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:20.120
<v Speaker 1>the surface. It sounds like the last place. No organic

0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:25.760
<v Speaker 1>molecules ever detected there, I mean, why ferocious radiation, so

0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:29.360
<v Speaker 1>we can definitely rule out the possibility right, Well, actually

0:57:29.440 --> 0:57:32.800
<v Speaker 1>not according to everyone. And I wonder if this is

0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:37.160
<v Speaker 1>just an expert uh an astrobiologists trying to emphasize what

0:57:37.360 --> 0:57:41.400
<v Speaker 1>possibilities are out there, more thought experiment than anything it

0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:43.520
<v Speaker 1>could be. But from two thousand ten, I found an

0:57:43.600 --> 0:57:46.360
<v Speaker 1>article by Charles Q. Choi that speaks to Dr Dirk

0:57:46.520 --> 0:57:51.200
<v Speaker 1>Schultz may COOCHU an astro biole an astrobiologist at Washington

0:57:51.280 --> 0:57:55.800
<v Speaker 1>State University, and UH. Dr Schultz may Cooch said, quote,

0:57:56.240 --> 0:57:58.920
<v Speaker 1>life on the surface is all but impossible, but if

0:57:58.960 --> 0:58:02.320
<v Speaker 1>you go down further into the rocks, it could be intriguing.

0:58:03.000 --> 0:58:06.240
<v Speaker 1>We shouldn't categorize it as dead, right, away just because

0:58:06.240 --> 0:58:10.240
<v Speaker 1>it's so extreme. So, based on this guy's comments, this

0:58:10.320 --> 0:58:14.160
<v Speaker 1>astrobiologist comments, the article went on to sort of explore

0:58:14.200 --> 0:58:16.800
<v Speaker 1>what life could be like on Io. You know, if

0:58:16.840 --> 0:58:19.080
<v Speaker 1>we if we look at Europa and Ganymede, which have

0:58:19.160 --> 0:58:21.960
<v Speaker 1>water ice, we can get a picture closer to what

0:58:22.080 --> 0:58:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Io might have looked like billions of years ago, closer

0:58:25.280 --> 0:58:28.880
<v Speaker 1>to the time of its formation. Radiation from Jupiter probably

0:58:28.880 --> 0:58:31.800
<v Speaker 1>would have ripped away Io's water within about ten million

0:58:31.880 --> 0:58:35.400
<v Speaker 1>years or so, but life that evolved on the surface

0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:39.640
<v Speaker 1>during that period could possibly have retreated underground, surviving in

0:58:39.760 --> 0:58:43.920
<v Speaker 1>subterranean lava tubes, which could contain moisture and protect the

0:58:43.960 --> 0:58:48.640
<v Speaker 1>microbial life forms from radiation that's on Io's surface. What

0:58:48.640 --> 0:58:51.920
<v Speaker 1>what is impossible up above may not be impossible below.

0:58:52.960 --> 0:58:55.280
<v Speaker 1>And as we've pointed out before, they're extreme a file

0:58:55.360 --> 0:58:58.040
<v Speaker 1>organisms on Earth that can survive and thrive in lava

0:58:58.040 --> 0:59:02.000
<v Speaker 1>tubes and even near active geotherm hotspots like Geyser's. So

0:59:02.240 --> 0:59:05.560
<v Speaker 1>Schultz make Coach comments that the ultimate chances of finding

0:59:05.600 --> 0:59:08.600
<v Speaker 1>life on Io seem pretty low, but we shouldn't rule

0:59:08.640 --> 0:59:12.120
<v Speaker 1>it out. And besides, how amazing would that be to

0:59:12.200 --> 0:59:15.720
<v Speaker 1>find life on this sulfurous golden hell. It would really

0:59:15.800 --> 0:59:19.240
<v Speaker 1>change your idea of what's possible for self replicating organisms

0:59:19.240 --> 0:59:21.800
<v Speaker 1>in the universe, I think indeed, you know, and it

0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:25.160
<v Speaker 1>also makes me wander you know, we've we've been discussing

0:59:25.200 --> 0:59:27.600
<v Speaker 1>some sci fi a little bit here, but you're always

0:59:27.640 --> 0:59:30.800
<v Speaker 1>encountering that idea of of of either a human or

0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:35.000
<v Speaker 1>other intelligence civilization seating life in other worlds. And generally

0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:38.280
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't take the forum of extreme of files. But

0:59:38.520 --> 0:59:40.360
<v Speaker 1>but I wonder, like, what could we one day reach

0:59:40.440 --> 0:59:44.880
<v Speaker 1>the point where a human or human derived civilization would

0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:49.560
<v Speaker 1>reach a world like like Io. Look at it determined

0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:51.920
<v Speaker 1>that there's no even there's no life, even extreme a

0:59:51.920 --> 0:59:55.360
<v Speaker 1>file life. But then custom makes something to survive, and

0:59:55.400 --> 0:59:59.880
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's in its most tolerable, um A location.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's fun to think about. Yeah, well there,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think you get into, of course, the

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<v Speaker 1>the ethics questions about seeding life. You know, you'd have

1:00:10.040 --> 1:00:13.880
<v Speaker 1>to be sure if that's even possible that there was

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<v Speaker 1>no life there now and that life wasn't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in store for it at some point in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Um So, who's to say? But then again, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of weird, like I feel this ethical intuition

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<v Speaker 1>that you shouldn't go about, you know, contaminating other worlds

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<v Speaker 1>with possible life that could extinguish the life that exists

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<v Speaker 1>there now. But then again, I really don't feel bad

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<v Speaker 1>about using alcohol to kill bacteria. If you're washing your

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<v Speaker 1>hands before surgery or something like that, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, well, you know that bacteria was never

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<v Speaker 1>going to make it to Aisle anyway, so it's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess so alien bacteria just has so many more

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<v Speaker 1>rights than Earth bacteria. Okay, So future missions to Io

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<v Speaker 1>one would be the Io volcano observed over one proposed

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<v Speaker 1>future mission at least we don't know, but uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>proposed future mission to Io would be this observer, primarily

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<v Speaker 1>the work of the planetary geologist Alfred McEwan, And this

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<v Speaker 1>would be a probe that goes into orbit around Jupiter

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<v Speaker 1>and observes Io close up over the course of at

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<v Speaker 1>least nine flyby's over two years. And this would be

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<v Speaker 1>studying Io's temperature, it's a volcanic activity and its surface composition.

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<v Speaker 1>And if the proposed mission is accepted, it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>launch by around one So it seems like in the

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<v Speaker 1>early twenties, there's going to be a lot of potential

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<v Speaker 1>Jupiter missions launching. That has got to be a I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we've already discussed the volcanic eruptions that blast out into

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<v Speaker 1>into space off of Io, so that would see, it

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<v Speaker 1>would seem like it would be a difficult orbit to maintain,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe that's part of the gamble, like how well

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess the question would be exactly how

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<v Speaker 1>close is it getting to Io if it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>orbiting Jupiter. Uh. I think I read something like that

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<v Speaker 1>the closest point it would ever get to Io would

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<v Speaker 1>be around two hundred kilometers away, which is I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's pretty past. But the bigger question, I think, much

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<v Speaker 1>more than the geologic activity, is just the radiation. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>even even non organic just our instruments at that point

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<v Speaker 1>are can be subject to extreme radiation and so it

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<v Speaker 1>would have to be a hardy kind of probe to survive.

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<v Speaker 1>If anything were to actually land on Io, it would

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<v Speaker 1>have to be a flying fallout shelter. As we've mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>the radiations fierce, and it has damaged instruments on probes

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<v Speaker 1>in the past, right, Yes, I mean that's how that's

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<v Speaker 1>how potent the radiation of IO is. One last thing

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to add about IO coming from the angle

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<v Speaker 1>of exo theology. Uh, the religion space religion. Oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a this is a topic I love. Yeah, of

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<v Speaker 1>course I love it too. And uh, we should add

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<v Speaker 1>that we keep using the Hell analogy for I just

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<v Speaker 1>merely for descriptive reasons, to give you an image to

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<v Speaker 1>map it onto in your brain. But there's actually at

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<v Speaker 1>least one theologian who exists who believes Hell can be

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<v Speaker 1>found in the Solar system. Uh. He is a guy

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<v Speaker 1>named Michael sin teeny and he's a reverend who he

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<v Speaker 1>self published a book that argues that the Christian Hell

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<v Speaker 1>is literally to be found on the planet Venus. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how many people he's managed to convince

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<v Speaker 1>of this. This is obviously not a standard Christian belief.

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<v Speaker 1>This is his idea. Um, but I wonder why not

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<v Speaker 1>Io instead? I know, seems like an even better candidate. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you have it. Fl It flows perfectly with

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<v Speaker 1>Dante's vision, right because you have both the hot region,

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<v Speaker 1>the hot regions, the cold regions. It's it's perfect. All

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<v Speaker 1>you need is Satan there after his waist. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it matches with our journey of descent, right as

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<v Speaker 1>we've gone closer and closer into the planet. Which reminds me,

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<v Speaker 1>now that we've reached the end of our journey, we're

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<v Speaker 1>getting very close to Jupiter itself. Yeah, and our our

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<v Speaker 1>little terrarium capsule is withering a little bit. It was

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<v Speaker 1>standing the inner radiation of the Jovian System. I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen as we descend into the gas.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. We're descending into a into a massive

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<v Speaker 1>gas world of storms and poison and uh and eventually

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<v Speaker 1>a Rocky core. Uh. With the pressure and the it's

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<v Speaker 1>just insane. I'm pretty sure we'll be obliterated before we

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<v Speaker 1>reach the Rocky Cory. Oh yes, yes, certainly. I doubt

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<v Speaker 1>we'll love to reach the Rocky Corps. But maybe there

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<v Speaker 1>is no Rocky Core. Maybe the Rocky Core is all

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<v Speaker 1>in your mind. Well, the important thing is that we

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<v Speaker 1>made it this far. I mean, we were ordered to

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<v Speaker 1>jettison the dome a while back. We held on this long.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything got to survive there just a little bit longer,

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<v Speaker 1>so we can we can play one last game of

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<v Speaker 1>checkers or cards with the robots and just go out

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<v Speaker 1>on a high note. Well. One thing I should have

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned you as we were going, but I didn't because

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<v Speaker 1>I was afraid was that at each moon we passed

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<v Speaker 1>along the way, I jettisoned all a capsule of Earth life,

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<v Speaker 1>unethically seating these planets and potentially contaminating them for all

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<v Speaker 1>future research. But maybe these little life forms will take hold. Yeah. Well, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that's better than nothing, right, So let's hope something takes root,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. So there you have it, an exploration of

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<v Speaker 1>the Galilean moons, just the four greatest of the Jovian

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<v Speaker 1>moons in general, but each one a fascinating world. And

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<v Speaker 1>uh and the cool thing too, is that even over

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<v Speaker 1>the course of the next year or so, we're hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>going to learn more and more about these these places. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so we want to thank you for joining us on

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<v Speaker 1>our journey through this solar system. Within a solar system,

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<v Speaker 1>the the gas Giant and it's wonderful sphere of influence. Indeed,

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