1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another week Happy Hour listeners. I'm one 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: of your hosts, Becky Poufriend and I'm Michelle Young, and 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: we are back with a very juicy, a very intense, 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: and emotional week to catch up on that just unfolded 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: with these fantasy suites. Yes, we have so many thoughts 6 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: on all that went down with Zach this week and 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: can't wait to hash out what has happened on our screens. 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: So let's get right into it. Back up, where do 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: we begin? I feel like when the host says, like, 10 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: first time in bachelor history, is this the first that 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 1: everything that unfolded tonight or the last night? Well, what 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: is he saying is a first? Like that's when Jesse's 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: like this is the first? It's like, well, what, what's 14 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: what's the first? Like a guy saying something and that 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: they're not doing it, because that's not that's not a first. 16 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: But I mean, I definitely think it's one of the 17 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: more intense fantasy suite weeks that we've ever seen, especially 18 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: probably within I would say recent years. The only other 19 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: one that comes to mind that was an intense time 20 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: this week was I think Colton's week when he jumped 21 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: the fence. Yeah, I do remember that, but for completely 22 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: different reasons. But I would say, I see my mind 23 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: goes to Clayton's season, but that was the episode after 24 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: when he had to tell all of the women. We're 25 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: just kind of having that same situation a little bit, 26 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: just a little bit earlier. So let's get into it, 27 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: and before we talk, you know, episode specifics, let's talk 28 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: about the whole significance of fantasy suites. What do you 29 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: remember about your mindset going into fantasy suits? Yeah, And 30 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: I want to say, I hate how they keep saying 31 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: it's sex week because, like I think that people just 32 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: have this connotation where it's like you're only going to 33 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,839 Speaker 1: go to bang these people. Like that's not the case. 34 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: This is really the first alone time that the leads 35 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: have with any of their contestants where it's not just sex. 36 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: It's a chance to ask important conversations, to just get 37 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: to know somebody on a much more deep intimate level 38 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: without necessarily having to be intimate. Like it's really pivotal, 39 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: and you do learn a lot about the other person 40 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: that you're spending the night with. Yeah, I'm like trying 41 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: to think going back eons ago of when I was 42 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: going into fantasy suites, I spoke about finances, didn't you. 43 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well I went in. I ask certain questions 44 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: that I think were really good, and then I did 45 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: not ask certain questions which I probably should have during 46 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: this week, which when I went I will say what 47 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: I went into Paradise I was much more mindful of. 48 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, I remember one one question I really wanted 49 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,839 Speaker 1: to ask them. This is something that another contestant on 50 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: when I was on The Bachelor had brought up, and 51 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: it was about finances and like like what kind of 52 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: debt do you have? Because if you have it, like 53 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: I'd rather be well aware of that, Like if we're 54 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: going to be in this together and potentially, you know, 55 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: had this proposal, like what am I taking on as 56 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: your partner? Right? So yeah, I again this was so 57 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: long ago, but I was just ready to be alone, 58 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: and like I wanted to see the little things like 59 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: how do we interact with each other when there's no 60 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: one kind of narrating our topics of conversation or what 61 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: we're doing for the day. Like I really just wanted 62 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: to see like the fluidity of like is it awkward? 63 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: Can we carry on this conversation? Like how do we 64 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: feel with each other? Is it comfortable to the point 65 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: where like we could take the next step. So that 66 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: was my mindset of just like seeing the level. And 67 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: to be honest, I went into it and I only 68 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: I only had overnights with two guys. I ended up 69 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: sending one person home that week. But what was your 70 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: mindset going into it? Very similar? I was just really 71 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: really looking forward to the conversations that we didn't have 72 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: to pause if someone was interruptingly, if a producer was interrupting, 73 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: or if some a cameraman needed to switch over tape 74 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: or like whatever. It was. That just the little nuances 75 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: that are pig nuances honestly that go on when you're 76 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: filming a massive TV show and so being able to 77 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: just like sit there and hang out with somebody, and 78 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: when you're with somebody for eight hours straight, when you're 79 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: going on a one on one, when you're going on 80 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: a group day, like you might be around that person, 81 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: but like even when you're on a one on one, 82 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: you have them all to yourself, you're really not physically 83 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: with them the entire day. Like there's a lot of 84 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: breaks to get pulled away for interviews, they get pulled 85 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: away for interviews, like you have pauses where you're talking 86 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: to producers, they're talking to producers. So it's really just 87 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: like cut up quite a bit your time together. And 88 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: so I was looking forward to like nobody, nobody's going 89 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: to interrupt because like our conversations, nobody's gonna, you know, 90 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: gear anything a different direction, and so I get to 91 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: talk about what I want to talk about when I 92 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: want to talk about it, whether that's finances, financial goals, 93 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: whether that's getting more in depth about families or views 94 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: or whatever it is. I just that's the biggest thing, 95 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: is the fact that I felt like I was able 96 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: to just go back to being me or just because 97 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: that's me the whole time. But you know what I mean, 98 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: like going back to the basics of let's pull ourselves 99 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: off a TV show for a second. Yeah, really see, 100 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: like is this actually possible? It's so important And again 101 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: just to see that like comfort level of what you 102 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: could have with somebody is so important. And just like, 103 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: let's be honest, every time you spend the night with 104 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: somebody new, like for the first time, like emotions are high, 105 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: you're a little bit more anxious, you don't know how 106 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: it's going to go, you overthink things like, Okay, do 107 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: I brush my teeth in front of you? Do I 108 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 1: spit my toothpaste out? Like little things like that that 109 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: are you know, like until you're alone with somebody you 110 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: don't know. And so I think it was just for me, 111 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: like and also I really wanted to take the pressure off. 112 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: Like I didn't want to go into the week or 113 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: the night with any expectations. Again, like I knew that 114 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: there were certain things that I wanted to talk about 115 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: and like stories for me that were super important that 116 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to share in that moment away from absolutely 117 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: everybody else. But other than that, I didn't want to 118 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: set myself up for like I'm gonna say this or 119 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: I have to do this, or I have to not 120 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: do that, because I know myself and in the past, 121 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: every time I set myself up and like have this 122 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: like level or standard, it never goes that way. Or 123 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, like I've always joked in the podcast of 124 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: like if I definitely say no to something, the opposite's 125 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: going to happen. Like we sat with Paradis. I said 126 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: I was not going to do Paradise. Did Paradise, So, 127 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: like I didn't want to go into overnights with that mindset, 128 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: which wasn't necessarily the case here, which yeah, it's it's tough. 129 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: It puts you in a weird headspace, which as we're 130 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: trying to recap this episode, I want people to realize, 131 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: like we're trying to see all sides here and remember 132 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 1: what it was like to be a contestant in Fantasy 133 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: Sweet Week or be a lead in Fantasy Sweet Week. 134 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: But let's get into it. Because we see Zach, Ariel, Gabby, 135 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: and Katie all head to Thailand, and right away Zach 136 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: sets the tone, sets this precedence with Jesse and has 137 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: this very in depth, intentional conversation. He really sets this 138 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: up at the beginning of like, I'm going to be 139 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: very intentional this week. I am not going to be intimate. 140 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: I do not want to sleep with any of these women. 141 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: I just want to be able to have a lone 142 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: time have conversations with them, but like sex is off 143 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: the table. What did you think in that moment, Like 144 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,119 Speaker 1: did you take it well, like okay, you know, good 145 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: for him, he's setting a bar here, or were you 146 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: like okay, buddy, Like this doesn't always go as planned. 147 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: I think with where I stood is just it's Sacks season, 148 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: so he can stand by the like whatever choices he feels, 149 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: whatever focus he feels, and all those different things. I 150 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: also was just kind of looking at him and just 151 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: how he's kind of carried himself throughout the season. And 152 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: he's a very strong, physical, touched person. Let's just say that, 153 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: like he he's noted that himself. And so he really 154 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: made this like huge, massive announcement that really got spoken about, 155 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: spoken about, spoken about, spoken about, and I was curious 156 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: to see, Okay, is this something that he's going to 157 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: be able to stick to, because that's a large statement 158 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: and that's great if you choose to focus or handle 159 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: it in that manner, but you're also putting yourself in 160 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: a situation to not live up to your word. And 161 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: that's what happened, And that's where I struggled, or didn't struggle, 162 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: but just I felt for the women going through this episode. 163 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: I and just kind of as everything started to unfold 164 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: and going back to Arial's fantasy steep because she was 165 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: the first one they seemed to really connect. And I'm 166 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: curious if this would have this whole statement would have 167 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: gotten retracted even quicker, if it would have been Katie 168 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: or Gabby in the first Fantasy Suite. What are your thoughts? Well, 169 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: I think that, and again like I don't really know Zach. 170 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: We've only had him on the podcast a couple of times. 171 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: Like all I can go off of is what I 172 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: see when we interview him and what I see as 173 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: a viewer. But to me, Zach has never been a 174 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: guy that this has been such a highlighted thing. It's 175 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: not like what we've seen in the past, where we 176 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: have had several people who are virgins on the show 177 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: or born again virgins on the show. And so I 178 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: think for somebody to kind of remove themselves from like 179 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: who they are, how they might typically act and like 180 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: turn it a complete one eighty, I don't think we'll 181 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: set you up for success. Like I think he went 182 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: into its adamant and again, he is a very physical 183 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: touch person. He said that himself on our podcast. It's 184 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: it's I feel like you're changing yourself so much for 185 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: this one week or what you stand by or how 186 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: you've operated in the past, that it might potentially lead 187 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: to failure because you're trying to be an act in 188 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: such a different way. And again, like I don't know 189 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: Zach's past. I can only assume in like what I'm 190 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: seeing as a critical thinker here, but I think he 191 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: was so adamant up front, which might not like this, 192 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: This might not be how he usually operates. So I'm like, okay, 193 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: like I understand where you're coming from and like wanting 194 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: to be very open and like have this even playing 195 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: field with all the women. But if this is how 196 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: you usually don't operate in your other relationships, it's it 197 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: might not be beneficial in this regard. And then after that, 198 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: I just I'm going to be completely honest, he just 199 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: really lost me with how everything beyond that was handled, 200 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: because it'd be one thing to just say that that 201 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: and you know, go into your overnights to have that 202 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: conversation and just like actually stand by what you say. 203 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: But I just got really lost after everything because again, 204 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: like I felt for these women in very different ways. 205 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, again, like I don't even know where to 206 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: begin with this. I think it's so much and I 207 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: think like his date with Ariel was fine, his overnight 208 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: was fine. I think it was kind of what he 209 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: expected and wanted out of it. So let's get into Gabby, 210 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: because Gabby's date is we see her very much so 211 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: in her head, very much struggling with as she said, 212 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: like being chosen second or second best. And this is 213 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: where I'm starting to see bits of Zac where I 214 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: think he might and again I could be totally off base, 215 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,599 Speaker 1: but I think he might like to be a protector. 216 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: And I do quotes like in a way or like 217 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: a fixer, and like, you know, we've always seen an 218 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: area like pretty confident, pretty strong, very mysterious, like doesn't 219 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: really need much help. But with the other two women, 220 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: I think he needs to be there a little bit more, 221 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: as like that shoulder to cry on, to pick them up. 222 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: But we start to see him like take on a 223 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: different role with both Gabby and then with Katie. But 224 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: I think he probably feels most comfortable in that role 225 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: as like trying to take care of somebody else. And 226 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: so Gabby's really struggling again with confidence being second best, 227 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: chosen second, even though in this situation it's not up 228 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: to Zach. He can't pick the news flash everyone, you 229 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 1: can't pick what order your fantasies. Who doesn't It is 230 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: just handed to you and it is what it is. 231 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: So he's helping Gabby on this date and they have 232 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: this moment where he's there to support her and pick 233 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: her up and kind of get her past this hump 234 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: of this self doubt. They go into the night portion, 235 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: they have this overnight which they both seem and correct 236 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, but they both seem to be 237 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: very happy at ease in that moment. When they wake 238 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: up the next day, they feel very connected. It seems 239 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: like it went well, right, Yes, but I want to 240 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: pause you there for a second, because even before they 241 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: get into this overnight date or fantasy suite, when Zach 242 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: tells Gabby that he's not having sex with anybody, her 243 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: reaction is very strong. She feels very strongly about this, 244 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: and she seems to She seems to be very just 245 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: like she's understood, like she comes across understanding, but we 246 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: also get to see kind of her process this and 247 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: she's understanding, but she says that she's also very disappointed 248 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: that this decision was kind of just boldly made and 249 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: that it wasn't something that they discussed, you know, within 250 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: the relationship. She almost seemed like she was going to 251 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: challenge it a little bit, but like respectfully challenge it, right, 252 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: I think with both women with first aerial and then Gabby. 253 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: They were both very taken aback, and it wasn't what 254 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: they expected, right, Like, I don't think they totally thought 255 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: sex and intimacy would be taken off the table, but yeah, 256 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: but I think it was like right before they closed 257 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: the door, Gabby said something to like, well, he says, 258 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: we're not sleeping together, but we'll see something along those lines, 259 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: and she's like, the bed is so big for so 260 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: many activities, like during the day she does as these 261 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: funny one liners as Gabby always does. Yeah, yeah, and 262 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: so I think that's definitely foreshadowing and alluding to something 263 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: that is to come. We don't know what switched overnight. 264 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: We don't know what happened, nor do I want to. 265 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: That is between them. But the part where I really 266 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: felt for Gabby was they seemed great in that morning, 267 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: in that moment, they seem very connected. And then he 268 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: leaves and then he has this moment where in his 269 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: interviews he's like, I feel guilty and it kind of 270 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: takes this like negative turn, And all I can think 271 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: about is how Gabby is feeling watching this back now 272 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: after they just shared this moment, after her insecurities, and 273 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: she was very vocal and being very vulnerable about what 274 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: her struggles in this process are and then to have 275 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: to hear and see that has got to be so 276 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: freaking tough. It's so tough. And as a lead, at 277 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: what point you want to be honest and you want 278 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: to be vulnerable and this is your journey, this is 279 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: your love journey. And it's hard because typically you're up 280 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: to discretion of sharing what you would like to share 281 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: about your journey. But at what point, Again, it was 282 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: like this constant sight of them, like one eighty of decisions. 283 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: It was this bold statement of I'm not taking part 284 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: in any of these physical activities, and then it we 285 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: find out that it flipped, but then we find out 286 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: then he needs to talk about it, and so like 287 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: now fantasy sweets is not private, and she kind of 288 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: I would feel like I had whiplash too a little 289 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: bit in her position, just because it's like, okay, well, 290 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: what pieces are safe? Because you say one thing and 291 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: then you did the other. And I get that she 292 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,239 Speaker 1: part took in the activities as well, But then at 293 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: the same time, you have that certain amount of trust, 294 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: you have what you said that you talk about very 295 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: intimate private things as well, and you would hope that 296 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: somebody keeps those to themselves or want to protect you 297 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: with it, or at least asks you and has that 298 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: convert like asks you about your thoughts on having that 299 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: conversation before just boldly making a decision, because at the 300 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: end of the day, if you're approaching this as a team, 301 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: then you need to play as a team even when 302 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: you're a lead. Which I'm so happy you said that, 303 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: because that is the main point where I got lost 304 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: in this from Zach is at some point, when does 305 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: it stop becoming just your show and when does it 306 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: become your teammate and you together. And I think in 307 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,719 Speaker 1: the conversation where he goes back and talks to Gabby 308 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: after he feels guilty, he basically he starting out he 309 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 1: made the decision I'm not going to sleep with anyone, 310 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: but then he does, and then he goes to Gabby 311 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: makes the decision of well, I have to let these 312 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: other women know. And that's the part where I was like, Zach, 313 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: I understand your mindset and wanting to be honest, and 314 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: you cannot lie and this is weighing on you. But 315 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: also it takes two to tango, and you're not even 316 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: asking for Gabby's thoughts side of things, for how she 317 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: feels she would want you to handle this. We did 318 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,239 Speaker 1: not see any of that, which is what caught me. 319 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: And that is to the point where I'm like, again, 320 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,479 Speaker 1: it is so one sided, where you're not making this 321 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: decision about what you did with another woman and bringing 322 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: it into another relationship that it might guess you are 323 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: the lead, but it might not be solely your plays, 324 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: and it becomes so public, like something so intimate becomes 325 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: so public now, and it's it's not that that conversation 326 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: couldn't have maybe happened if you ended up with you know, 327 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: like if you end up with whatever person, Like I 328 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: know a lot of people talk about what has taken 329 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: place in fantasy suits because it's like you want to 330 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: have all of those different different conversations to be just 331 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: open about everything. But it was, yeah, it was him 332 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: making the decision. And then at what point did you 333 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: did you ever think, like what about Ariel? Because I 334 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,479 Speaker 1: know that we kind of start to get into this 335 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: where he really comes into I have to tell the women, 336 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: like I have to let everybody know about what happened, 337 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: what I did, like my misstep, how things have changed, 338 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: and he talks to Gabby or he speaks to Gabby 339 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: and then we can assume that he's going to speak 340 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: to Katie because he's about to see her on her 341 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: fantasy suite. But that I'm like, what about Ariel, Like 342 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: are we gonna go tell the girl that we already 343 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: had a fantasy suite with that? Like we said this 344 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: bold thing and then we flip fop because that's that's 345 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: a respect thing too. For me, it's like, why are 346 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: we were respecting two women over here? But like, Ariel 347 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: is the third party in there. She's a third party 348 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: in this and whether regardless of whatever it is, you 349 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: made the energy, you put the energy forward to put 350 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: this out there in such a large way, So I 351 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: think you need to also address it to Ariel. And 352 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: that's not something we see And so I'm kind of 353 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: thrown off by that. I'm thrown off by everything. If 354 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: I'm being completely honest, I don't understand, like I'm trying to. 355 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: I'm really trying to as a viewer, and again, like 356 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 1: I'm trying to put myself back in the lead shoes 357 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, how if I was Zack, Like 358 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: how would I be feeling how would I handle this? 359 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: And like, quite honestly, like I don't know how. I 360 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: don't have an answer because we would go into these 361 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: weeks totally different, right. But but yeah, I think if 362 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna if in the in the like matter of 363 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: being totally transparent and honest, I mean, you can't just 364 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: pick and choose who and when you're gonna be honest. 365 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: It's gonna have to be across the board, which which 366 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: wasn't the case here. And so it's a struggle I 367 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: think also to what is what's hard with the Gabby 368 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: conversation before he goes on his date with Katie is 369 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: and again, Gabby's gonna watch us all back, and it's 370 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: just going to be a lot to take it because 371 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: she'll see his interviews, she'll see his conversation again that 372 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: he had with Gabby where he's now saying, I'm falling 373 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: in love with you, and it's what did you think 374 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: about this timing of that? By the way, I well, 375 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: I don't think it was the right place or the 376 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: right time. I don't and that's just me and maybe 377 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: Zach was Zach has his own thought process, But I 378 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: don't think it was the right place or the right time, 379 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: especially given this is now this is turning into a 380 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: bigger deal than it maybe ever needed to be because 381 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: of this beginning proclamation. But now it's just I think 382 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: you're just adding on more and more potential hurt for 383 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: not only Gabby or the whoever, like the second person 384 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: is at the end of this, Like right, I think, yeah, 385 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: I think he entered this week with the correct intentions 386 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: of not wanting to put this weight of how like 387 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: this thought of having intimacy with another person on whoever 388 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: he ends up with. I think that was his prime 389 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: or I hope that that was his prime thought or 390 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: her first thought of I really just don't want to 391 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: put those women through that, so then let's hold off. 392 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: But I think once you say it, like you got 393 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: to be a man of your word, so that means 394 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 1: and you just don't sleep with anybody period, truly, Like 395 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: and I know that it's important, but it's just like, 396 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: so is your word. And then the way that it 397 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: was it was out of respect for the women at 398 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: the beginning, and it kind of tries to continue to 399 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: do that, but like we're continuing to miss the ball, 400 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: and then it's like the you know, it's really easy 401 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: to say, wait, no, I'm falling in love with you 402 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: when you feel like a relationship is threatened and they're 403 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: about to walk away. Of course you feel that intense fear, 404 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: and those are those moments where you have less of 405 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: a filter and you just want to say something. But 406 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: it's like, I wish I would have seen more discipline 407 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: with his actions and more discipline with his words, because 408 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: it seemed like he was basically telling Gabby, it's basically you. 409 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: And then he flips around and goes on the date 410 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: with Katie and it's the same conversation in reverse. I 411 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: slept with this other person, and like, I want you 412 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,239 Speaker 1: to stick through this because I can really see at 413 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: the end of this I'm falling love it. So it 414 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: was just like everywhere, okay, and let me ask you this, 415 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: and maybe it's and again everyone's answer here could be 416 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: vastly different. But do you think it holds more weight 417 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: to Okay, say Zach never went into this week saying 418 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: I'm not going to sleep with anyone or be intimate, Okay, 419 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: But what if he went into this week saying I'm 420 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: not going to tell anyone I love them? Do you 421 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: think it holds more weight to sleep with somebody or 422 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: to say you're that you are falling in love or 423 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: you love someone like, what do you think ultimately would 424 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: hurt Gabby in the end more or hurt the other 425 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: women in the end more. I think that it's such 426 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: a personal preference. I think, I mean, both of them 427 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: hold very strong weights. I think for me, it's just 428 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: like you have to picture that person being with somebody else. 429 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: That's really hard. It's hard to hear someone say I 430 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: love you to somebody else as well. Right, so they're 431 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: both difficult. I don't know. I don't know if one's 432 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: easier than the other. I just think that if I think, 433 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: it's all about sticking to your word with what you say, 434 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: and that's what goes back to. So it's like if 435 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: you say, they both would have raised question, they both 436 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 1: would have broken my trust. If you tell me you're 437 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: not going to say I love you too anyone until 438 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: the final then that you need to stick by that. 439 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: If you tell me that you're not going to sleep 440 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: with anybody, then you need to stick with that. Otherwise, 441 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: when you're speaking your actions, your words aren't met meeting 442 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: up and so what can I trust you? On period. 443 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: I think from my perspective and from living through the 444 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: show as a contestant, you know, obviously, like we both 445 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: made it to fantasy suits with our respected lead, respective leads. 446 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: I was in the position and where two women were 447 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: told that the lead was falling in love with them, 448 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: and to be honest, that was harder I think to 449 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: digest than what would happen in overnights because again this 450 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: is me, but like physical intimacy is one thing, but 451 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: like the deep feelings of love, like that is such 452 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: a big word and such a big statement, a statement 453 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: slash action. That that is what was harder. In the end, 454 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: did your lead those say, did your lead say, I'm 455 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: not going to say this until the end, because that's 456 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: where I play into it is no, really, just you're 457 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: putting yourself in a situation where, like you, it is 458 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: very likely for you to fall in love with more 459 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: than one person, and that's it's it's hard to navigate that. 460 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: I think what's more difficult is like if you're going 461 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: to establish boundaries that you're not going to stick to. Yeah, yeah, no, 462 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: And in that case, I mean, as far as I'm 463 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: aware that like that I love you, I'm not going 464 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: to say I love you that anyone. He never did. 465 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: But that's why I went into my season being like, 466 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm only going to reserve this for one final person 467 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: at the end, and that was my boundary that I 468 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: said that I knew I would be able to stick to. 469 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: That's the thing. So again, like with Gabby, I don't 470 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 1: think that was the time or the place to say that. 471 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: And then now let's fast forward to Katie's date. He 472 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: tells her during the day, so basically their whole date 473 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: is fixated on this conversation. And again, like I don't 474 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: know how in depth he needed to be, but I 475 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: could understand Katie's reaction and being like I kind of 476 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: assumed as an adult certain things would happen. I don't 477 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: need you to vocalize them and talk to me about 478 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: them and tell me this now, and that just you know, 479 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,719 Speaker 1: made me pull away in some sense. Yeah, I appreciated 480 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: her saying I'm not happy right now, so I'm not 481 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,239 Speaker 1: going to put on a fake face. I'm not going 482 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: to put on a smile. I appreciated her vocalizing that 483 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: because I do think that there's times where it's like, okay, 484 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: she actually said this herself, it's like, Okay, you told 485 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: me you do you want a cookie? Do you want 486 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: a gold star? She said something? She said something, How 487 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: do you want my reaction to be? Do you want 488 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: me to pack? It was like, it was like we do. 489 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 1: Honesty is a very very good thing. But I think 490 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: it's a huge reminder that when we hurt somebody, and 491 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: even though telling the truth isn't easy, it's not this 492 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,239 Speaker 1: instant gratification of the other person being okay and for 493 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: them to stab out of it. And that's just part 494 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: of hurting people, like when you hurt people in relationships, 495 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: regardless across the board, not just Zach. Is that a 496 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: lot of times when we apologize, we expect it to 497 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: just be like this flip of a switch too. They 498 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: need to be back to normal, we're all happy again, 499 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: we're letting it go. And it's like, this girl needs 500 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: a minute to process this because she's not going to 501 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: just snap out of this right now, and she she 502 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: doesn't deserve to snap out of it right now. It's like, yeah, 503 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: it takes a minute to establish that back, but she 504 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: what did you think about she? When they're hugging in there, 505 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: it's raining and it's it's always raining in these intense moments. 506 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: It's always raining. Mother nature has like always shows up, 507 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: always always answers to this assignment. But what did you 508 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: think about him then telling Katie that she he can 509 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: see her at the end of this. He didn't say 510 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: it's you at the end of this, but pretty much 511 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: I did not. Well, no, he said it to her end, Gabby, 512 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: And that's where it's like, Okay, you're at this point. 513 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: I understand that it's your thought process, like I'm hoping 514 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: if you're getting to the end into a potential engagement 515 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: with women, like you could see a future with them. 516 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: But again, not everything has to be said, Like you 517 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: can feel certain things and you don't always have to 518 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: vocalize them in every scenario. And I think I think 519 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: he's like kind of in this panic mode now after 520 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: everything that's happened, where he's afraid of losing Gabby. He's 521 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: telling her, okay'm falling in love with you. I can 522 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: see a future with you. But on the flip side, 523 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: he's also afraid of losing Katie, so he tells her, 524 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: I can see a future with you and I could 525 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: really see this long term with you, which again like 526 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: you can feel those things for both women, but maybe 527 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: don't vocalize it given the situation, right, right, because then 528 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: it just comes off to viewers and us that you're 529 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: just trying to like save something, and it's like, well, 530 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: you didn't stick to your word and now you're saying 531 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: all of these things at this moment, and it's just 532 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: I would have appreciated a little bit again, more discipline 533 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: with holding back your words at that time. I think 534 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: it ran a little more respectful. Yeah. Well, because now 535 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,959 Speaker 1: fast forward again, this is months later now that this 536 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: is airing, but both women are going to be seeing them, 537 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: but all three women, Ariel's gonna be seeing this too. 538 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to think of like if I was 539 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: Gabby watching this show back with my family or friends, 540 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: or if I was Katie watching this show back and 541 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: seeing what Zach is saying, I would be I feel 542 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: like I'd be taking steps back and I'd be so 543 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: confused of like, well, you told me this, but you 544 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: also told the same woman, a different woman, this same sentiment, 545 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: like you know, like what is it that you want? 546 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: Like you can be falling for both of us and 547 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: have these feelings, but just don't say the same damn 548 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: thing to both of us, like, there's got to be 549 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: some differentiation here all. I hope to God that just 550 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: I hope to God Ariel knows a situation like I 551 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: hope to God that she's not learning about this whole 552 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: situation as well as you know, Bachelor Nations watching it 553 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: live to find out that you know, it wasn't no 554 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: sex week, you know, Yeah, I really hope that conversation 555 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: was had at some point with her so that she's 556 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: also prepared and she's not getting kind of taken out 557 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: with it. And again, it doesn't it's not intentional, it's 558 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: just getting a little messy, yes, very How would you, Okay, 559 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: how do you like if you were in Katie's position 560 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: and you have this day portion where like your person, 561 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: your partner tells you what Zach had told Katie, how 562 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: would you have responded or handled it? Because there was 563 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: a point where Katie basically said she didn't want to 564 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: go and spend the overnight with him. You know, she 565 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: was very confused. She shows up. How would you How 566 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: do you think you would have responded if you were her? 567 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: I think that would have been pissed off, just as 568 00:32:52,680 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: pissed off. I think I would have. I don't know. 569 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: I think I think when it's hard, when you're like 570 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: in that position and you're close to end, you really 571 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: have put yourself through a lot of pain to get 572 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: to this point, and you're like, Okay, I could just 573 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: walk away now, or I can sit down and have 574 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: another conversation about it. And I think that's where I 575 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: would have done what I've done, as I would have 576 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: sat down to have another conversation about it with whoever 577 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: the like, whoever the lead was, especially because at that point, 578 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: like Katie's feelings or like if you are falling in 579 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: love or maybe you're in love by now and you're 580 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: not saying it, or you have these just really strong feelings, 581 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: I would want to sit down and have another conversation. 582 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: But me showing up to the table does not mean 583 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: that I'm stepping into that fantasy suite, because if that 584 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: conversation doesn't go how I or if I don't get 585 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: what I need out of that conversation, like bye. I 586 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: feel like there was something that we missed between between 587 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: their date portion and the night portion, because it seems 588 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: like Katie came back and it was in better spirits 589 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: and like they talked through it pretty quickly. It was 590 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: a very quick adjustment. I don't know if that was 591 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: just Katie really taking time to process, and some people 592 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: process quicker than others and are able to just like refocus, 593 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: and that's kind of what it seemed like she did. 594 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: Seemed like she refocused, and it seemed like they were 595 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: back on the same page. Of course, there's parts to 596 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: me that I'm like, no, put up a little bit 597 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: more of a fight, like you know what I mean, 598 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: make them work for it. But at the end of 599 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: the day, they're on the same page, and that's what 600 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: they want, you know, that's what we want for them too, 601 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 1: And so it seemed like they're able to get past it, 602 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: you know, all smiles forward or whatever whatever it was. 603 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: Who wasn't on the same page was Gabby at the 604 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: Rose ceremony, and I totally understand where she was also 605 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: coming from where she she wasn't feeling great during the 606 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: Row ceremony, and she basically said that she feels like 607 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: Zach clear his conscious conscience at the expense of her heart. 608 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: How do you feel hearing that statement? That was so powerful, 609 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 1: That was so powerful, But it's it's such both sides 610 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:26,720 Speaker 1: are such a controversial statement to argue because I think, okay, 611 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: so I think what gab okay, so I think what 612 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: Gabby meant by this is when she said when she 613 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: said that phrase, it was like she felt like he 614 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: said all these things and then actually, I'm gonna retract 615 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I don't think there is an argument 616 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: because when it goes when I'm actually like thinking about 617 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: processing that episode and everything, she's going off the body 618 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: language too. She's going off the bottom language where she 619 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: feels like Zach's not looking at her. She's talking about 620 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: he cleared his conscious in the in the fact that 621 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: he you know, when you clear conscience, you feel lighter, 622 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: you feel happy, You're you're like no sweat anymore. But 623 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: but but she's still hurting, and it doesn't matter that 624 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 1: she's still hurting because he's like, oh, thank god, I'm 625 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,479 Speaker 1: moving on with it. So actually, yeah, that's that's kind 626 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: of when you like sit down and think about what 627 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: she personally meant and all the other thoughts that she 628 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: expressed in her interviews of Zach's not looking at me, 629 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: he said all these things. He made this decision without me. 630 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 1: I could I got one hundred percent feel like why 631 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: she felt that way. What about not only that, but 632 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 1: if I was Gabby and there was the little bit 633 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if you caught this, but when Zach 634 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: was walking area all out where it's just gabbing Katie 635 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,240 Speaker 1: talking Katie basically, it's like, I know it was you, 636 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: you know, like I know that you're the one Zach 637 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: slept with. I feel like there's a moment where I 638 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,919 Speaker 1: would have felt very unprotected from my partner of like, Okay, 639 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: I know Zach was like being honest with you, but 640 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 1: he also didn't need to name names and like bring 641 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: your name into it. It was frustrating. It was frustrating 642 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: to why, just because I know that you always want 643 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,240 Speaker 1: to in Like I said, Zack's not a bad person, 644 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: and this is a very intense situation to be in. 645 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: It's just hard to it's hard to see that, and 646 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: it's hard to see so many inconsiderate mistakes made after 647 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: each other. I think that's what it comes down to. 648 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: It just ended up being very inconsiderate, step after step 649 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: after step. Yeah, and that's what's really frustrating to see 650 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: because there's at one point it's not a mistake, it's 651 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: just inconsiderate. Well with that, those are art takes on 652 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: Fantasy Sweet week. That's that that was a lot. I mean, 653 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: Zach was a line when we had him on, he 654 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: said it was juicy and so, I I mean, I 655 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen next week. We got 656 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: our two ladies left. Yeah, one week left, and we'll 657 00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:03,760 Speaker 1: see who ends up with Zach the end before that though, Michelle, 658 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: I know, usually we have our guests on to do 659 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: the resource and Rosenthorne, but since it's just us this week, 660 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: let's get into that. So to all of our new 661 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 1: listeners who maybe haven't heard this part before. Every week 662 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 1: we share important resources that we like to have on 663 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: hands that are easily accessible for anyone to access on 664 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,800 Speaker 1: our instagrams where you can either go, watch, read, listen, 665 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: check out whatever resource we were recommending. This week, one 666 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: of my resources and it's similar, it's kind of similar 667 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: to one that you had shared a few weeks ago, 668 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,720 Speaker 1: or maybe like a month or two ago now, Michelle. 669 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: But it's a website called we Buy Black And this 670 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: is something that we've we've talked about supporting black owned 671 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 1: businesses before, but this website is one that you can 672 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: go to and it's all black owned businesses from I 673 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: mean they have literally everything from apparel to books, to electronics, 674 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: to home goods to like really you name it whatever. 675 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: And so again, it's just so good to go out 676 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,720 Speaker 1: and support black owned businesses. And again, like when you're traveling, 677 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: especially to to check out black owned restaurants or shops 678 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: in whatever areas you're in. So that is my resource 679 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: for the week. What about you, Michelle amazing, I am 680 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: going to So this is a little bit of a 681 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,760 Speaker 1: different one. It's called it's like just this new groundbreaking 682 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 1: technology piece that came out. It's called like the Virtual Project. 683 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 1: Actually this really cool experience or so I don't even 684 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: know if I want to call it a social experiment, 685 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,800 Speaker 1: but an experience where you can put on a VR 686 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 1: headset and you can experience going through what it is 687 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,919 Speaker 1: like to live day to day as a person of color. 688 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 1: This is very similar to what my resource was last 689 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: episode where I talked about this short film. This piece 690 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: is more about like the experience of microggressions. Now, I'm 691 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: going to be very clear to say that you don't 692 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 1: just put on this VR headset and like understand everything right, 693 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: but it can be or it seems to be a 694 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: very eye opening experience that actually results in just different 695 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, emotions that could potentially be experienced. And that's 696 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: what I found really interesting about reading about it as 697 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: far as like where you can access it. There's different 698 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: things where you can kind of watch videos of it 699 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: taking place. And again this is this is remind you 700 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: of people who are like kind of learning in these 701 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: processes as well. It's really nice when you can take 702 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: a VR headset on and off and that's what determines 703 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,760 Speaker 1: what you're what you're going through. But for other people, 704 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: it's not this like full this is not a full 705 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: experience where you all of a sudden understand where it's 706 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:03,359 Speaker 1: just a snippet of what a person could potentially really experience. Okay, interesting, Yeah, 707 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: so it's a project, is it? Um? Like, so, say 708 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,919 Speaker 1: somebody does have their VR headset, now, is it something 709 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: that they can like actually accessors. It's still in the works, 710 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,839 Speaker 1: like you can watch videos about it. But so right now, 711 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: it seems like it's very much in like a social 712 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,319 Speaker 1: experiment stage. Okay, it's it's you know, I think it 713 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: would be. I think it's going to be handled with 714 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: a little bit more care. It's not one of those 715 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: things where it's like here, go buy that app and 716 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: experience microaggressions, like that's really wrong. But it's more of 717 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: this m VR technology that they're kind of working on 718 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,720 Speaker 1: and backing with science and just doing these different things 719 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 1: with it as something kind of like you know, you 720 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,839 Speaker 1: go to a museum and you learn about different things 721 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,239 Speaker 1: African American Museum, Holocaust museum, you experience different emotions there. 722 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,840 Speaker 1: It's kind of the same concept except through VR headset, 723 00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: but with more like personalized experience. Yeah. But yeah, it's 724 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 1: not like it's not like get yours here story so 725 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 1: I can I can link the article and I can 726 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 1: link the just the article has all the videos and 727 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: a little bit about the social experiment that has been 728 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: taking place and just people's reactions that have okay, experienced it. Yeah, 729 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: I'm very intrigued to follow that along. It would be 730 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: interesting to see like what settings it would be most 731 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 1: beneficial in. I mean, I would say a lot of them, 732 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 1: but like for career path likes her career paths and 733 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: education definitely, So okay, that's yeah, handle with care. It 734 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 1: was just kind of really interesting of just something that people, Yeah, 735 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: when when you're able to. It might potentially allow you 736 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: to steve in someone else's shoes. Yeah, is what it 737 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,439 Speaker 1: kind of sounds like. So we'll see, I'll keep, I'll keep, 738 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 1: I'll keep up to date on okay, and see what happens. 739 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 1: All right, Well, thank you for that one, um. And then, 740 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: since again we don't have a guest, you and I 741 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:05,359 Speaker 1: have to share our rose and thorn from this week's episode. 742 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 1: Let's start with our rose or are thrown first, and 743 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 1: then we'll end on a good note. We'll end with 744 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:17,720 Speaker 1: a rose. Okay, I'm gonna go first, you want, okay? Um, 745 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: my thorn would have to be just the this whole 746 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 1: week being labeled sex week, um, and really making it 747 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,799 Speaker 1: up so intensely and about something that it's really not 748 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: for a lot of people. So I would say that 749 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:45,400 Speaker 1: my rose is watching the women continue to be honest 750 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:51,840 Speaker 1: with what they're feeling, and so with Gabby being vulnerable 751 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,360 Speaker 1: and continue to challenge herself to be open about her discomfort, Um, 752 00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,280 Speaker 1: Katie with not wanting to bounce back and just areal 753 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: as she handled that situation when she was let go 754 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: or sent home. Just I think they all all the 755 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: women conducted themselves in a very nice manner. So, okay, 756 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:15,399 Speaker 1: it's my rose, all right, I love that. Okay, my 757 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: thorn is going to be I think just overall seeing 758 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,800 Speaker 1: someone so adamant in something not stand by their word, 759 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna leave it at that, that would 760 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: probably be my thorn because I think it was the 761 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,960 Speaker 1: catalyst for many many other things that just spiraled from there. 762 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 1: So that's the beginning of it. And then, you know what, 763 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: my rose is going to be them in Thailand because 764 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 1: it is a place I've traveled to several times. It 765 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 1: is absolutely such a stunning country, the culture, the food, everything, 766 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: and so to see that back on the screen and 767 00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: see parts of it highlighted again, I think was just 768 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 1: really fun for me. And yeah, I'm glad that they've 769 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,279 Speaker 1: been able to go to some really cool cities and 770 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,640 Speaker 1: countries this year. So that is going to be my rose. 771 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 1: And with that, Michelle, thank you for joining me on 772 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: Happy Hour once again. What a crazy season, what a 773 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:24,319 Speaker 1: crazy episode. 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