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Speaker 1: This is our lights, this is our passion, that's the

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat. Hey, it's Monday. It's the day

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Speaker 2: after the Super Bowl. It's two days after UFC two

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Speaker 2: it's Morning Combat. Definitely was UFC two eighty four two

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Speaker 2: days ago. I can say that for sure. Hi. My

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Speaker 2: name is Luke Thomas. I joined you from the capital

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Speaker 2: of the stadas Unios. We are back in Washington, DC

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Speaker 2: and joined by my I mean this Mferr took eight

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Speaker 2: kicking barely? Do you think?

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Speaker 1: They asked Diego Corrals after that spectacular two thousand and

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Speaker 1: takes off the end of your career, Luke. Okay, maybe

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Speaker 2: Your achievement is quite as triumphant as that one.

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Speaker 1: I'm not cultured, Luke. I don't get around. You know

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Speaker 1: these things about me, right, ask ask my high school girlfriends.

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Speaker 2: Okay there, yeah, Well, I'm told they have taken a

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Speaker 2: We met the Piquettes. They were lovely. It was a

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Speaker 1: Well you did Saturday calling was it? Four undercard fights

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Speaker 1: and then and then doing a post morning combat major

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Speaker 1: pay per view instant analysis and a separate sport brouh

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Speaker 1: There ain't There ain't too many people on this planet.

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Speaker 2: What you did right there? Yeah? Thanks, It wasn't It

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Speaker 2: tuning in. Let's set this up here just a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Let's get through some of this. Showtime is the label

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Speaker 1: It was a great frickin' fight. I understand though, what

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Speaker 1: to who won this fight, I saw a lot of

429
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Speaker 1: people villainizing that third scorecard that was four rounds to one, Luke.

430
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Speaker 1: I think that's actually a better score than the idea

431
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Speaker 1: of could Volkanovsky have won this fight three rounds to two?

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Speaker 1: Anybody that had that score, I'm not against you. I'm

433
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Speaker 1: just saying that I've rewatched this. I actually called up

434
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Speaker 1: the rules of the judging. I mean, I want him

435
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Speaker 1: on this, Luke. And I think at the end of

436
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Speaker 1: the day, you kind of said it subtly there. As

437
00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:15,560
Speaker 1: much as Volkanowski stole the night, islam Mahachev's striking and

438
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Speaker 1: his ability to fight largely on even terms with a

439
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Speaker 1: guy in Volkanowski who might literally be along with like

440
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Speaker 1: Audisnja and maybe Anderson Silva, like the greatest strikers this

441
00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,960
Speaker 1: sport has ever produced. He fought at a pretty even

442
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,480
Speaker 1: level islam Machev, and that to me, Luke, when I

443
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Speaker 1: look at who actually won some of these close, potential

444
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Speaker 1: swing rounds, I can't go in the other direction of Volkanowsky.

445
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Speaker 1: I gave him round five like everyone else. I understand

446
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Speaker 1: that round three has largely become a swing esh round

447
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Speaker 1: in which I charted it out and went back, and

448
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Speaker 1: I know that in the moment not everybody has that chance.

449
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Speaker 1: But unless you're counting that knockdown in round three by Volkanowski,

450
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Speaker 1: which I feel was more of a slip slash trip

451
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 1: in which Volkanowski popped back up, I just don't see

452
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Speaker 1: where you can give Volkanowski that round. He did not

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Speaker 1: out strike him in terms of overall, although there was

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Speaker 1: a stat on the screen at a key time Luke

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Speaker 1: that said Volkanowski had an advantage of eleven strikes to

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Speaker 1: ten and significant strikes. Sometimes I feel like we have

457
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Speaker 1: to re examine exactly what is a significant strike? What

458
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Speaker 1: is the process of doing this, whether we're talking about

459
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Speaker 1: boxing orb it Man, that's not a shot out like Kompubox,

460
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Speaker 1: Who are the you know, in boxing, the industry leaders

461
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 1: and doing this just the idea that stuff's happening so fast,

462
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Speaker 1: how can you gauge? Because there's a sequence in around three,

463
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Speaker 1: Luke or Volkanowski has Mahachev up against the clinch, against

464
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Speaker 1: the cage, and he's landing these sort of you know,

465
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Speaker 1: quick short punches that are sort of just looking to

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Speaker 1: embellish his role in that round. Do you rate three

467
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Speaker 1: or four quick punches on the same level as a

468
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Speaker 1: left cross from Mahachev that was big in that one,

469
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Speaker 1: that kind of wobbled him, or the fact that Mahachev

470
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Speaker 1: cut Volkanovski in round three. To me, that's the closest

471
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Speaker 1: one where you're heavily debating and I still on first

472
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Speaker 1: and third watch of that gave it to Mahachev. So

473
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Speaker 1: unless there's an argument for a ten eight round, which

474
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Speaker 1: there I don't think there is. In round five, this

475
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Speaker 1: was a hell of a performance from Volkanovski. Again, the

476
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Speaker 1: fresher fighter late had the biggest moments late. But we

477
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Speaker 1: don't score. We don't score fights that way. We scored

478
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Speaker 1: for better or worse under the ten nine mus boxing system,

479
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Speaker 1: and under that system, even if you're trying to make

480
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Speaker 1: cases in a round four that volcano that Mahachev wasn't

481
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Speaker 1: active enough after taking Volkanovski's back, you're right, but read

482
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Speaker 1: the letter of the law with the rules chart out

483
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Speaker 1: all the striking in there. At the end of the day,

484
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Speaker 1: three to two or four to one, this was Islam

485
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Speaker 1: Mahachev's night.

486
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Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot to unpack there. Curiously, Round four

487
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Speaker 2: with the back taking. It's one thing I didn't say

488
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Speaker 2: on the postfight show that I want to say now.

489
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Speaker 2: I saw a lot of folks being like, well, you know,

490
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Speaker 2: Volkanovsky outstruck Islam even though he had his back taken,

491
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Speaker 2: and you can just park that shit somewhere else. Please

492
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Speaker 2: exactly just what a total nonsense argument? Did he numerically

493
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 2: land more than Islam landed more? I guess maybe I

494
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Speaker 2: think by two he did. Those are nothing strikes, They

495
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 2: don't in any way affect the fight. I mean, that's

496
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Speaker 2: just a nonsense, fucking stupid argument. Here's what I will

497
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 2: agree halfway. Islam did stall on the back a little bit.

498
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 2: He did, and it's actually a little bit of a

499
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Speaker 2: wrinkle in the rules that they haven't quite ironed out

500
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Speaker 2: yet BC. What I mean by that is like, did

501
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 2: Islam stall on the back with the body triangle? Yes?

502
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 2: Should that count against him? No? And the reason why

503
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 2: is because it's the referees job to stop stalling. That is,

504
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 2: the person who is basically in charge of mandating when

505
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Speaker 2: stalling is happening, to intervene and he didn't, and he

506
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 2: didn't because having the back with a body triangle and

507
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 2: a skilled operator like Islam Makachev on your back, that is,

508
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 2: that is the equivalent in chest of check. It's not

509
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: check mate, but it's definitely check. And so all I'm

510
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 2: pointing out is if you're upset that he didn't do

511
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 2: a lot with the position, what I want to say

512
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 2: is getting it and holding it is and as long

513
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Speaker 2: as he did three and a half minutes certainly more enough,

514
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 2: long enough to win the round. And if you're upset

515
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 2: that he stalled, fine, but we need to empower referees

516
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Speaker 2: to change that. It's not Islam's job to just get

517
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 2: up off of them.

518
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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's what I'll say to that. Even if you

519
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: gave round ford to Volkanowski because of the point Luke

520
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: just mentioned, which I'm on Luke's side of the line

521
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 1: in terms of interpreting that, to me, Volkanovski still doesn't

522
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: win the fight. But I if that fight was a

523
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: swing for you, I mean, it does come down to

524
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: the old like who would you rather be in that instance?

525
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 1: Do I want to be the guy with the body triangle,

526
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Speaker 1: having the back of the other opponent, having a history

527
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: of patience, of submission ability, and essentially just he just waiting.

528
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: Matchev's just waiting for Volkanowski to over commit on his

529
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, trying to land these strikes over his head

530
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Speaker 1: to show the referee look rightfully. So I'm the instigator

531
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Speaker 1: in this, even though I'm in a negative position. Luke

532
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: Matchev is waiting there to try to wait for that

533
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: one mistake to end the fight. I think that you know,

534
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: even if you're saying that that's a push at the

535
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Speaker 1: end of the day, that that Volkanowski's punches over his

536
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: shoulder could somehow equal the control. And I get what

537
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: you're saying. It is up to the referee at some

538
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: point to say nothing's happening here. Stand up. I still say,

539
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: over the course of that fourth round that I slightly

540
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: liked what Mahachev did better. Andy scored a takedown. Annie

541
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 1: instantly went to back and established the threat of the choke.

542
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: At some time, you have to look at the letter

543
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 1: of the law. And I always shout out Dave the

544
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: Inquisitive at Dave Tron on Twitter for finally opening me

545
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: up to this with certain things. But Luke, you know,

546
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: after damage, which is always going to be the first thing,

547
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: striking damage right in Mahachev's bruises on his face and stuff.

548
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: It didn't hapen till round five. You have to look

549
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: at the impact in what that did in terms of

550
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: changing someone's game plan, frustrating someone, tiring somebody out. I'm

551
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: not saying Mahachev's attempts at tiring out Volkanovski worked. It didn't.

552
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: But he's applying all these things, and unless Volkanovski outstruck

553
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: him in a manner, to me, that that's, you know,

554
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: eye opening. I can't give him that round. That's me

555
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: personally interpreting the rules. You can have it your way,

556
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: But Luke, would you agree with this that for to

557
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: one Mahachev might actually be a better scorecard than three

558
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: to two Volkanovsky. I want to get your opinion directly

559
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: on that point.

560
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 2: So okay, So I scored it rounds one and three

561
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: and five four for Islam rounds one, three and four,

562
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 2: I gave two and five to Volkanovski. Five is the

563
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 2: obvious one, No big deal?

564
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: Four? What do you give two to him? I'm very

565
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: curious about this because that was another round. I rewatched

566
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 1: a few, so Hire's.

567
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: Where I disagree with some folks. People are saying three

568
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: is the swing round. I agree that three is a

569
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 2: swing round. I think there's a case for Volkanovsky in

570
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 2: round two as well. To me, round one pretty much Islam's,

571
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: Round four pretty much Islams. Round five definitely Volkanovsky's. That

572
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: was the strongest round anyone had in either direction, real doubt.

573
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: It's two and three to me is where it all

574
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: kind of comes down to and how you get it.

575
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 2: And this is the point. I saw people beating up

576
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,959
Speaker 2: one of the judges, but at forty nine to forty six,

577
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 2: which is the same as your scorecard, that's not how

578
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 2: I saw it. I saw it three to two Makachev.

579
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 2: But I think a three to two Volkanovski is totally

580
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: fine because you're already spotting him round five, so he

581
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: just needs two more. If you saw two and three

582
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: as that way, that there's the math. And I don't

583
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 2: think a rounds two or three for Volkanovski is a

584
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: is in any way a bad car. And it's just

585
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 2: it was hard to discern in real time you're making

586
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: a real time call, a real time call. I thought

587
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: Makachev did a little bit better in round three. I

588
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 2: thought Vulc did a little bit better in round two qualitatively,

589
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: and that's where I came down on it. I'd two.

590
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: I anticipated this could be an argument that somebody would make,

591
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 1: whether you or someone else, the knockdown in round two

592
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: that that Volkanovski had and correct me if I'm getting

593
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: my sequences wrong. Wasn't that more of he did land

594
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: a punch, but Mahachev almost forcefully took a knee to

595
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: shoot the takedown, So I'm not doubting that the punch

596
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: didn't land. It was fine, But then Mahachev sort of

597
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: shoots in to try to try to secure a takedown

598
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: and then rallies back in that round to drop Volkanowski.

599
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: So to me, that was he dropped him to a

600
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: knee with a clean shot. That's sort of the moment

601
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: the indicator for me that Mahachev had edged him in

602
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: terms of we're comparing strike to strike in.

603
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 2: That right and also had almost I think a minute

604
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 2: and looking at the stats here, he had nearly a

605
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: minute of control time, which again by itself doesn't score,

606
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: but it gives you an indication of I think the

607
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: back control I think he had.

608
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: So how are you scoring second fort Alex is really

609
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: my key question here.

610
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: I have to go back and look at my notes.

611
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'd have to go

612
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: back and look and see what he did. But in

613
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: any case, what I would say to you is rounds

614
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: two and three I think are again these are numeric totals,

615
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 2: not qualitative totals. But in rounds two, numerically they were

616
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: the same in significant strikes nineteen apiece and in round

617
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: three ever so slightly into Makachev's favor sixteen to fourteen

618
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: plus he had a takedown in each of those rounds,

619
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: and then any cut about a minute and a half of.

620
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: Any cut the forehead of Volkanowski.

621
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: So my point being is like, I think Markachev is

622
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 2: the rightful winner and the one I want to make

623
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: about your forty nine forty six score car. The reasonhy

624
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 2: I don't think it's it's not how I saw it.

625
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: But the reason why I feel like that's okay is

626
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: because again, if we're saying one, four and five are

627
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: not in dispute, right, we're talking about two and three.

628
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: If we're saying it's close, then what you're saying is,

629
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 2: by definition, you can make a case for either guy.

630
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: And if you can make a case for either guy.

631
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: That means there's a series of permutations that are acceptable,

632
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: one of which is rounds one, two, three, and four

633
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 2: going to Makachev, rounds five going to Volkanovsky. Under the

634
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: idea that again, what are all the permutations, You could

635
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: have it two and three, not Volkanovski, two, then three,

636
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: not at all for three and two, and then just

637
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: for three. You can have all those different permutations while

638
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: leaving one, four and five the same. My point being

639
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: is getting a forty nine forty six doesn't mean that

640
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: the judge didn't think that Volkanovski was really really close

641
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: at times, just that in that individual unit he happened

642
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: to side scoring system.

643
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: It's a scoring system, and then you have to mix

644
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: it with the actual letter of the law and the rules,

645
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: and that's the strike zone. We're in the Saint Pride.

646
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: We can have a Pride debate all you want. This

647
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: isn't pride, Luke I was you know me? I get

648
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: swayed by packaging. I'm more of the emotional responder who

649
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: doesn't always use reason. Do you know when I responded

650
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: emotionally in the past, Jones, Gustuf sim Wan, I remember

651
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: that ending and being like, man, I don't know if

652
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: Jones really won that fight, GSP Johnny Hendrix, I remember reacting, Damn,

653
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't think you know, GSP really won that fight.

654
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: I subsequently have gone back and rewatched those and it's

655
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: so I think it was sort of the victim of

656
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: the underdog overachieving in you overly scoring that. But when

657
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: you go back and actually watch it and break it down,

658
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: obviously these are close fights. It's subjective. You can go

659
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: either way on it. But I'm trying to be less

660
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,239
Speaker 1: emotional in reaction to this. And dude, as great as

661
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: Volkanowski was and as much as he won the night, yes,

662
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: Islam Mahachev absolutely shut down roads that would have led

663
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: Volkanovski to a massive breakthrough victory where we probably would

664
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: have just come out with a crown and put it

665
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 1: on his head and said, I don't know where you

666
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: fit in in that upper room, but you just made

667
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: it there, brother, Thank you very much. The Mahachev's ability,

668
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: even with a gas tank against a guy who might

669
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: have the best, seriously might have the best, damn guess

670
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: tank this side of devolished Willie and Volkanowski. For him

671
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: to hold that ground to prevent. I mean, Volkanowski almost

672
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: took him down twice to him for him to stuff

673
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: all these situations where it could have gone in the

674
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: other direction short of that fifth wrong rally, and that's

675
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: what makes Vulk great. Damn dude, Mahachev is great. I mean,

676
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: can we have that part of this conversation?

677
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should. We should talk about that dude. He

678
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: outstruck the guy who outstruck Max Holloway. You don't want

679
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: to play with math too much. But I gotta tell

680
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: you again I've said it before, Volkanovsky being strong from

681
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: a defensive wrestling standpoint, that is not a surprise. It's

682
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: just not It should if anyone paying attention should not

683
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: be surprised, at least not too much by that. And again,

684
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: I guess you could say Islam striking shouldn't be surprised,

685
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: give what we saw against Olivera. And then you had

686
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: a Javier Mendez trying to tell us like, hello, this

687
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: guy's a very good striker, and I was a little

688
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: bit skeptical, and then I thought, well he was good

689
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,719
Speaker 2: against Olivera, but Olivera was like jumping into range and

690
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: his hands way down and like, yeah, he got picked apart.

691
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: But you know that was a guy who was ready

692
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: to be picked apart. Volkanovsky is not ready to be

693
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: picked apart. And fuck Makachev. I couldn't believe how much

694
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: he shut down all of the South Paul our opposite

695
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: stance stuff that Volkanovsky was trying to do, all of

696
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: the blitzes, stance, switching through blitzes, taking an angle, all

697
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: of that stuff. How about jab defense, He was making

698
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: Volkanovski pay for poor jab defense. Dude. The striking of

699
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: Islam Makachev BC, what would you say about I don't

700
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: know if there's a boxing comparison. It's not flashy in

701
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: the sense that you think of great strikers, right who

702
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: can do so much. But it's about the most useful

703
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: striking you're ever gonna see. It's not a lot of

704
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: combination work. Power's good. Accuracy good accuracy is good and BC,

705
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: perhaps most importantly, the timing is very good as well.

706
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: I was gonna say efficiency is probably the word that

707
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: jumps out to me, but it's the timing that is

708
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: the special sauce. He does throw heavy shots. He's a

709
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: strong striker in all that regard, but his ability to

710
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: leap into almost I mean, let's say it, I mean

711
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: an elite fricking striker, you know, Habib in his own regard,

712
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: and obviously that's a natural comparison, got there in the end,

713
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: you know, unconventionally, got to a point where his striking

714
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: needed to be taken seriously often though, to set up

715
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: what he does great on the ground. People have always said,

716
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: though when Islam was initially rising, he's different than him.

717
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: He is, And look, his striking is at a point where,

718
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: like you said, nothing flashy about it, but you you

719
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: talk about effectiveness, you talk about patience, poise. When is

720
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: there a scenario in which Islam overreaches, makes a poor

721
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: striking decision and pays for it, It just doesn't happen.

722
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: The striking success Volkanovski Volkanovski ultimately had is only a

723
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: testament to his brilliance and his team and all those

724
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: footwork patterns that he sets up to open up just

725
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: enough space to land these perfect shots, which he did. Obviously,

726
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: you Packagette with the fifth round, and we can't say

727
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: enough about Volkanowski's toughness and the real man under there,

728
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: but man Mahachev for not having access during that long

729
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: wind streak to a consistent stretch of super elite guys,

730
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: got Dan Hooker at a key time where he needed

731
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: to prove himself, and then obviously got to Charles and

732
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: look what he did, Look what he's done. Back to

733
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: back to Charles olivera in Alexander Volkanowski like some people

734
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: had been dming me this week and saying, PC heard

735
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: your comments on the whatever pregame preview, But Habib is

736
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: purposely stepping back now so Islam can get the shine.

737
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: If that's the case, Luke, this was perfect timing from

738
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: the team so that we're not talking about Islam as

739
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: much as Habib's boy, because he is his own fighter

740
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: and what he put out there and did on Saturday

741
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: needs to be applauded.

742
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, he's a much better striker than Habib,

743
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: much much better. He doesn't have the same dogged relentlessness

744
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: with the wrestling that Habib did. Habib put a certain

745
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: kind of urgent pace on you in a way that

746
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: Islam is a little bit more slow and content to

747
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: kind of take his time, which you indicated. So they're

748
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: very different guys. But I like the way he was

749
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: able to win this one on his own and to

750
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: show the you know that there is when pressed, you

751
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: know there are meaningful differences between their games, and that

752
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: they're not just differences like in many ways, this is

753
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: a much stronger version of Abiban with some respects and

754
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: lighter in other ones. B. See again, we're gonna have

755
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: this pound for pound discussion, which I think is a

756
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: really important one. BC. Did you walk away from this

757
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: fight thinking that Islam's gonna hold this one fifty five

758
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: pound strap for a while? Where are you on how

759
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: good he is relative to his peers, given that they

760
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: granted it's the powder pound and number one got to

761
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: a lot of people in the sport, came up a

762
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: weight class and kind of had a really great show.

763
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: And we're talking about how great Islam is, but we

764
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: need to talk about how great Polkanowski is too. Does

765
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: that mean darry Yush has a good chance against Makachev

766
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: if they make that fight?

767
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean he could look mache Machev's you know, he's

768
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: a man, He's not a robot here. But I had

769
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: short of that fit. So when I'm rewatching it knowing

770
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: a lot of the knowledge, you know, the first time

771
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: I rewatch it, just the way it turned out by

772
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 1: the time I got to the third and fourth rounds.

773
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: That's actually something I said to myself, like, as historically

774
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: competitive as this lightweight division is was and will forever be,

775
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: I did have a feeling in that moment like, man,

776
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: you know he may he may go on his own run.

777
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: Then Volkanowsky has that type of success in round five,

778
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: special circumstance against you know, arguably the best fighter in

779
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 1: the world. Could he just come out and the same

780
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: and lose to any of these guys rematching olivera pooriate, Yes,

781
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: because these are great fighters, Luke, and great fighters can

782
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: make great moments happen, and damn are there so many

783
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,959
Speaker 1: ways to lose in the sport. But if you said BC,

784
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: like betting your financial future, he defends this title three

785
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: to four times or he loses his next fight. Yeah,

786
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: I'm going with the defend three to four times Luke, Okay,

787
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: because the intangibles that he shows are through the roof

788
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: great and you're gonna add that level striking to the

789
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: wrestling that's already there. Look, I understand the emotional reaction

790
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: after the fact to make this all about Volkanovsky, but

791
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: hot damn is La Mahachev is great, He's freaking great.

792
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is luke to people to

793
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: people just don't want to see another Dakastan hero. I

794
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: don't know, Luke, damn, this guy's great.

795
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't think Makkachev has ever really

796
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: captured the fan base in the same way that Habib did,

797
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: although I do think that after that Olavera win, Markachev's

798
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: popularity took a big jump, and I think after this

799
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: one too, I was surprised by some of the numbers

800
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: coming out of this fight. There's a lot of interest

801
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 2: in it. Credit to Volkanofski as well. Obviously he plays

802
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: a dramatic role in that one too. But ba see,

803
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 2: I will tell you this, you know, I think that

804
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: Markachev's probably the best fighter one fifty five it certainly,

805
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: But I will tell you that Benil Daryuser, he might

806
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: end up finding Charles Olavera at UFC two eighty eight,

807
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: in which case, who cares about this conversation. But in

808
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: the event that he finds himself faced off with Makachev, doo.

809
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: I mean, did folks watch the Gamrot fight. Darry Yusch

810
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 2: can wrestle his ass off is very much a worthy

811
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 2: adversary when it comes to Makachev for that, plus hello

812
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: the dary ushguard from jiu jitsu. He's been a black

813
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: belt jiu jitsu since the aughts, Ladies and gentlemen. He

814
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: has a phenomenal submission game when he wants to go

815
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: to it, good ground and pound experienced, comes from a

816
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: good camp, has phenomenal Muay Thai. And by the way, Makachev,

817
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: which was something Volkana showed. Volkanowski was able to drop

818
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: him in that fifth and then really put it on him.

819
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: There's a question about the gas tank a little bit

820
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: at least in the elite circumstances against that.

821
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: Oh dude, it's who else tell me right now, off

822
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: the top of your brain. Who has it? Who has

823
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: cardio like what Volkanovski showed.

824
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: On Oh, I mean him and you know like prime

825
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: Kane Velaskez or something like that at sea level, at

826
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: sea level. Yeah, this is my point. Here's the other

827
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: part about that BC. Remember Markochev got to ride out

828
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: round four on the back. Now, he did the better

829
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: of the striking through the first four rounds when they

830
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: did the striking, so it's not to like on the

831
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: feet he was outmatched, but he was fading a little bit.

832
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: So the question you have to ask yourself is, if

833
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 2: Markachev wasn't able to get that breather in the fourth round,

834
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: how much energy does he really have for a fifth?

835
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 2: Like imagine he actually had to trade a little bit,

836
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 2: and again he put a landed on Volkanowski two. I'm

837
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: just pointing out he headed into that fifth already kind

838
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: of tired, having backpacked from the fourth. But the point

839
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: I want to make was, I I think darry Usch

840
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: is being comically comically slept on here. We don't know

841
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: what the future holds, and Makachev is a class above

842
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: many of the others, but Darty Usch might be right

843
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: along there as well. It's a fun little fight that

844
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 2: they can make now, Bce, we have given all the

845
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 2: flowers to Islam that I think we can at least

846
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: for the moment. Let's go to point number two, which

847
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 2: is where the Volkanovsky side of the equation happens to

848
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 2: enter the conversation. Namely, and this is the only question

849
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask to start this, Brian Campbell, who

850
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: is the number one pound for pound fighter today in

851
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: mixed martial arts.

852
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: Alexander Volkanowski, and I think I think it's you know,

853
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: you can make a debate either way. I've debated it

854
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: all morning, but at the end of the day, this

855
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: is so. We saw something somewhat similar in boxing recently,

856
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: when Canelo was everyone's pound for pound, he dared to

857
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: be great another division higher against unbeaten champion Dmitri Bevall.

858
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: He came out on the losing end of three scorecards

859
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: that were seven rounds to five. You and I had

860
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: it wider for Bevall, but I'm just stating the facts,

861
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: and I think I would one of the only, if

862
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: not the only, at least American journalist who does a

863
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: pound for pound top ten that said, hey, folks, I'm

864
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: not gonna count that against Canelo because he's competitive in

865
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: a division over his head against one of the ten

866
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: best fighters in the sport, and if they ran it back,

867
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm not even you know, Canelo could potentially make adjustments

868
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: and win. In this case, Luke, I think it's even

869
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: more respectable Volkanovski did compared to Canelo because he fought

870
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: another guy who has the same argument and claim right now,

871
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: who is number one pound for pound. Look, folks, it's

872
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: either Volkanowski or it's Mahajev. I will say this, I

873
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: wanted romantically for this fight to be as a storyline

874
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 1: lead in what it ultimately became, one versus two pound

875
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: for pound, and we were all like, you know, when

876
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: was the last time that happened? What's the history? Oh

877
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: my god. It only really became that because the UFCI

878
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: felt jumped the gun through Mahachev at number two pund

879
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: for pound to make it that way. I even felt

880
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: that I jumped the gun after Mahachev beat Olivera and

881
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: was previous unranked in my top ten, and I think

882
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 1: I put him up there at number four because I'm like, damn, dude,

883
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: he just dominated one of the best in the world.

884
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: But what Volkanovsky showed in a losing effort, particularly in

885
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: the areas of takedown defense and how he defended potential

886
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: chokes on the ground, mixed with the fact that he

887
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: almost scored two takedowns of his own and dropped the

888
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: bigger fighter and had the better cardio and scored the

889
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: biggest moments of the fight. Although reminder, folks, we don't

890
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: score it that way. Okay, that's just what the rules are.

891
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: Alexander Volkanowski is still the pomp for pound king because

892
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: of like I saw you tweeting about criteria. I'm sure

893
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 1: you're going to get to that in a second. And yes,

894
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 1: in a boxing sense where I come from, the criteria

895
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 1: that elite journalists use to make these pomp for pound

896
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: lists is always wildly all over the place. In my opinion,

897
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people that focus too

898
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: much on accomplishments when I believe that the accomplishments get

899
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: you into the conversation. But inevitably it's going to come

900
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: down to the eye test. Two sides the eye test. One,

901
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: a person hasn't had enough elite foes for us to

902
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: truly know how elite he is, so we have to

903
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 1: do the foreshadowing math in our head. The other half

904
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: of the eye test is what I consider to be

905
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: the true sort of decider when you have debates in

906
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: this what does a mythical fight look like between them?

907
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: If they can fight, which you can't do physically, fight

908
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: at the same weight class using the same strengths and

909
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 1: weaknesses that they hold in their natural division against each other,

910
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: those are fights that can actually only happen in the mind,

911
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: meaning man, what does Nganu look like against you know,

912
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: say anybody right against Volkanovsky, and you're like, okay, if

913
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: you had that same advantages here. I get that this

914
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: is all weird mental math, and that's why a lot

915
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: of people go screwpoff for pound, it's worthless. I don't agree.

916
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: I think it actually is the only true currency when

917
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: we're debating greatness. In this case, yes, these two were

918
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: able to fight each other, but look at the debate

919
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: we have coming out of there. Whether Volkanovsky could have

920
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: or should have one I disagree. But what I don't

921
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: disagree on was that he elevate his game to such

922
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: a higher level than Islam Mahachev had to. Yet, even

923
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: Mahachev did elevate his game with the striking. But if

924
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: they were fighting at one five.

925
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: And that if you're fighting the number one pound four

926
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: pound guy right heading into the fight, because Volkanowski was,

927
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: he was heading into the fight, he was number one.

928
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: Why do you not have to raise the level of

929
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: your fucking game to fight that guy? And by the way,

930
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: outstrike him. We're talking about the best fighter in the

931
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: sports heading into the contest, right.

932
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: Look, Mahachev raised his game in a lot of ways,

933
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: I just feel like Volkanowski had to raise it more

934
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: because of the natural disadvantage he had in coming up

935
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: in wait and the fact that he did not spend

936
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes of this fight on his back fighting

937
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: and using all of his guesting to try to get

938
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: out of positions. In fact, he was reversing these positions.

939
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: He was nearly taking Mahachev down if they were fighting

940
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: at featherweight and they were the same size. What I

941
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: saw on Saturday night is that Volkanowski's actually potentially the

942
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: better fighter here. It's just in this circumstance, and this

943
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: fight came up just short. To me, that's enough to

944
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: hold the power for pound number one crown for right now.

945
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: They're both gonna have fights coming up. I'm sure in

946
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: the next four or five six months. Things can change

947
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: at any time. John Jones is parachuting back in here

948
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: if he wins the heavyweight title. We got a different

949
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: discussion as well. But as we stand right now, Luke

950
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: Volkanowski is the best fighter in the world, and he

951
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: proved that on Saturday, even though he didn't win the fight.

952
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm a little bit mixed on this one.

953
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: I don't I don't. To be clear, That's why I'm mixed.

954
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: I don't do pound for pound rankings. I don't do

955
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: any rankings. I don't spend weeks doing it. I don't

956
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: spend months doing it where you're you're tracking overtime and

957
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: who's rising, who's falling. I don't pay attention to it

958
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: at all. I don't do it. I mean, I try

959
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: to have a loose idea of who the better ones are.

960
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,959
Speaker 2: And I've thought that Volkanofsky hitting into the contest deserve

961
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: the pound for pound ranking, and I can understand the

962
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: arguments for keeping it. Again, I think that there there

963
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a weird situation, right because he's the

964
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: smaller guy, he went up in many ways kind of

965
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 2: outperformed the other guy didn't get the nod, though, so

966
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 2: what are you supposed to do with that creates this

967
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: inherent conflict. I mean, I have two basic problems I

968
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 2: think with the pound four pound discussion. I agree that

969
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: it's actually worth having because at the end of the day,

970
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: what are you trying to figure out? You're trying to

971
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: figure out who's the best fighter in the sport. I mean,

972
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: that's really what it comes down. To who is the

973
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 2: best fight? Who is the very best fighter that we have?

974
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: But in order to figure that out, you have to

975
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: give me what the definition is of best? Right? What

976
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: does best mean? What goes into defining best? People just

977
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 2: toss these words into conversation and think that they carry

978
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: obvious meaning, when in fact it does the opposite. Right,

979
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: So if I tell you that so and so is

980
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: the best fighter, upon what am I making that conversation

981
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 2: or that argument? There must be something that backs it

982
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: is the number of wins? Is it the number of stoppages,

983
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: the number of ranked opponents, the length of a wind streak,

984
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: the length of a title reign, the number of titles,

985
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: the number of weight classes. Right, these things kind of

986
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: all have to be ironed out, and then you have

987
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: to have a really good definition of best. You have

988
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: to have those things figured out. No one ever figures

989
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: this out ahead of time, and so people are having

990
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: these conversation where it's just two ships passing in the

991
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 2: night because one person has an idea of what best

992
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: means and one has another. And by the way, one

993
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: has not necessarily proven that their definition is actually coherent

994
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: or better than the other one. So there's a lot

995
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: of like everyone talking past each other or very loosely

996
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: and then assuming that there's this implied wisdom when you

997
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: say pound for pound or best. That's my first problem.

998
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: The second problem that I have is that, dude, I'm sorry, Like,

999
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 2: this is how I personally feel if you're the number

1000
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: one guy and you go and fight the number two guy,

1001
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 2: even if it's upper weight class, to like ultimately put

1002
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 2: your stamp on the sport and you come up short,

1003
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: I don't there should be a penalty for that. There

1004
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: should be a penalty for that. I don't think you

1005
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: should get to keep your standing as it was. Your

1006
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 2: standing as it was is no longer as good as

1007
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: it once was. I understand the argument that he won

1008
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: the story. I agree he won the story. He's certainly

1009
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: won the fanfare. Hello, I've been on the Volkanovsky train

1010
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: before I even started at fucking showtime. I mean, this

1011
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: is not a guy that I am like new or

1012
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: unaccustomed to his success or greatness. But I just kind

1013
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 2: of feel it's a little weird to go and be like,

1014
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: I'm the best guy in the sport, lose and then say, oh,

1015
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 2: I'm still the best guy in the sport. There should

1016
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 2: be some kind of accounting for that that I don't

1017
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 2: think people want to give because they feel emotionally lifted

1018
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: by his performance.

1019
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: Look, it's the ultimate hipster debate within something that is

1020
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: a hipster debate to begin with. So that's not lost

1021
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: on me. I get what you're saying. I just think,

1022
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: you know, one guy came up and wait to do

1023
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: this doesn't mean he gets every single bendit of the

1024
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 1: fit of the doubt. We've seen that happen a lot

1025
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: of times. But he did do it. And even though

1026
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: I scored the fight four to one, the rest of

1027
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: the world seems to think they were largely on even

1028
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: terms for most of that What if they were really

1029
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: on even terms, would that have been enough for Volkanovski

1030
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: to get the edge. That's what I'm leaning to in

1031
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: the end, because the performances of both were ultimately so close,

1032
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: and because I can't stress this enough. Volkanovski was the

1033
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: fresher fighter, late landing damage up until the final bell,

1034
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: So I get that there has to be a penalty, Luke.

1035
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: But at the same time, this is a mythical debate

1036
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: that's aimed at trying to produce. At the end of

1037
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: the day that with all the information that we have,

1038
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: including the information that we don't have, which is a

1039
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: key part about palm for pound debate because for the

1040
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: most part, these guys will never fight each other, so

1041
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: you've got to work off information you don't have. When

1042
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: I compute that all together, I say, right now, Volkanowski

1043
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: is still the best fighter in the world, and he

1044
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: showed that on Saturday. But everything can change in one fight.

1045
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: You're only as good as your last fight. That's the

1046
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: truth in palm for pound debate for the most part.

1047
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: And if I'm going to do that for Canelo Luke

1048
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: because I felt that at that moment he lost to

1049
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: Bevall in a close ish, close ish fight, he was

1050
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: still the best fighter in the world at won sixty eight,

1051
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: the best fighter in the world at won sixty and

1052
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: all around skill for skill also the best. I kind

1053
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: of feel that for Volkanovski in the sense that, like

1054
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: the key question I'm asking myself on the way out

1055
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: here is could Volkanowski win a rematch against Majeff I

1056
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: say yes he could. And number two, could any other

1057
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: lightweight in the world like put off that performance that

1058
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: Mahachev did in edge him. I don't know, Luke, Like,

1059
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: if you had Volkanovski moving for Let's say he announced Saturday,

1060
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: I did so good here, I'm done with featherweight and

1061
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to lightweight for good. Who are you gonna

1062
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: favor against him? That's the key question that I think

1063
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: ultimately decides for me. Why I'm still okay holding him

1064
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: at number one. Who's gonna outside of Majeff who just

1065
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: did beat him but it was close, Who's gonna beat

1066
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: Volkanovski at lightweight?

1067
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 2: Luke, That's a tough question. Do you wonder maybe darry

1068
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: Yusch would give him a tough fight?

1069
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm okay keeping him a number that

1070
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: number one. And I know, dude, I know it's splitting hairs,

1071
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: but that's what it's about. Somebody's got to do the

1072
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: heavy lifting and take a stand and make a statement.

1073
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: Volkanovski best in show right now?

1074
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. I Mean, here's the thing. I thought he was

1075
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 2: the best fighter in the world before that fight. I

1076
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: still think he's the best fighter in the world. And

1077
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: folks like, well, then you think he's pound for pound one.

1078
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 2: But pound for pound if when you actually begin to

1079
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: define the criteria, it begins to be a range of accomplishments.

1080
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: And it's not abundantly clear to me that his.

1081
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: Range wrong is if you do it wrong, it's too

1082
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: much of a rage of accomplishments.

1083
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: If you do it wrong, that's right, because you can

1084
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 2: go too far. But certainly, in defining what the word

1085
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: best means, right, I saw guys being like, it's simple,

1086
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 2: he's the most dominant. Right, Define for me what dominance means.

1087
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: Number of rounds you've lost, number of fights you've won again,

1088
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: number of weight classes you've won. In Like, you can't

1089
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: just say these words like best or dominance. They are

1090
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: empty nonsense unless you fill them with definitions. So fill

1091
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: them with a definition and then we can have that out.

1092
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: But I just want to be clear. I think Volkanovski

1093
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,479
Speaker 2: is the most talented guy in the sport. I really

1094
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: truly believe that. But I also believe that if you're

1095
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: going to test yourself in the way that he does

1096
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: and you come up short, right, you lost unanimously. Whatever

1097
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: you want to think about the judges, Ben Carlos was

1098
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 2: one of him. He's one of the best judges that

1099
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: we have. He scored it for Makachev. The idea that like, oh,

1100
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: I just get to keep all the same accolades I

1101
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: had before as if they're now unblemish. I just don't

1102
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: believe that person personally. Personally, but I recognize that you're

1103
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 2: dealing with, you know, I mean, this is just a

1104
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 2: rare moment in the sport where like, so, I think

1105
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: it was Kaposa who tweeted it, be ye, I'll share

1106
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 2: with you here, which was He's like, how cool would

1107
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 2: it be to have two different champions have an ongoing

1108
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 2: rivalry where yeah, they go back to their weight classes,

1109
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: they defend a couple times, and then they get right

1110
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 2: back after it again a little bit later. It's kind

1111
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: of like Penn Saint Pierre. But the first time Penn

1112
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: fought Saint Vierre, he was not the champion, and Saint

1113
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: Pierre got away just barely, but then in the rematch

1114
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 2: he obviously fucked him up real good.

1115
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: So it's loosely like Nunas Chefchenko if they made a

1116
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: third time loosely like that too. But yeah, no, that's

1117
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: a great point something like that. Yeah, you know, it's

1118
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: just there are reasons why, by the way, in my

1119
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: own pomp for Pum philosophy, why I hate when people

1120
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: lean to accomplishments, and a lot of it goes back

1121
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: to you remember when Floyd beat Berdo after beating Pacchio

1122
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: and he retired, and there was this window of like

1123
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: andre Ward wasn't you know he had slid in a

1124
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: little bit later, but he wasn't quite ready. Most of

1125
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 1: us had put chocolate Chito in that window early twenty

1126
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: sixteen of the new Pomp for Pound king, there weren't

1127
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: a flurry of American journalists who were like, no, it's

1128
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: Vladimir Klitschko. Dan Riyfield was one of them, and I

1129
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: remember thinking, this violates the spirit of Pound for pound. Yes,

1130
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: he was on an incredible win streak, and he was

1131
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: adding to heavyweight history and climbing up on you know,

1132
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: in the top three of most title defenses and all

1133
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: that stuff. But the idea of Pomp for Pound that

1134
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: its structure is to take people that are uneven basically

1135
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 1: you know, different weight classes and try to make them

1136
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: even mythically. At that point, as great as vlad was

1137
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: and using his size and skilled overpower their heavyweights, his

1138
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: side and skills just not going to compete against people

1139
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: in smaller weight classes. If all things were equal, That's

1140
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: why I think accomplishments can only take you so far

1141
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: in this debate. But looke, that was a spirited, clean,

1142
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: fun debate. If you have either one as your pom

1143
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: for pound number one, you're not wrong here. Let's just

1144
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: make that obviously I could live with either one.

1145
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 2: I could live with either one. But the other part too.

1146
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: It's like, just about Maktchev, it's like too like to

1147
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 2: counteract that argument, are you really gonna give him haoulf

1148
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 2: a pound top spot based off two wins? Look, granted,

1149
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: it's two fucking awesome wins in the sense that like,

1150
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: who are they Charles Olavera for the lightweight title and

1151
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 2: then to retain it against the upcoming or the rising

1152
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 2: I should say, from a different weight class featherweight champion.

1153
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,479
Speaker 2: That's a back to back wins. But it's like two

1154
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: fights as gonna get you there. Plus the second one

1155
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 2: was kind of close, like you know, that's I think

1156
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 2: Makachev is a slam dunk for the case either, by

1157
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 2: the way, but.

1158
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: Think about a guy separate from the pump for poond debate.

1159
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: Think about a guy here in Matchev who we've seen

1160
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: it happen before. He had to go the long route

1161
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: to finally get his title shot in terms of like

1162
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: he had to build a wind streak to what was

1163
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: it eleven or twelve coming in here?

1164
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 2: Eleven, yeah, twelve the longest wind streaking USC are the

1165
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: current longest wind streaking USC history among active competitors.

1166
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: And he finally gets to the top, and he's offered

1167
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: Charles Oliver after a resurgent move to the championship level

1168
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: and nearly the top of the pound for pound and

1169
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: alex Vander Volkanowski, and he beats them both. Obviously close

1170
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: fight here, but it's like outside of that run John

1171
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: Jones went on in his first six or seven lightweight

1172
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: title defenses against all like Hall of famers for the

1173
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 1: most part, it's like, Luke, you'd have to take some

1174
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: time to tell me a two fight stretch of victories

1175
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: that was critically more valuable than what than what Mahachev

1176
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: just did?

1177
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 2: Pretty great? Pretty great? All right, let's talk about something

1178
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: else that's pretty great on this card. Can yeah hear Rodriguez?

1179
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: I mean, whoa, whoa? So YAYI Rodriguez is your new

1180
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: interim featherweight champion. We'll talk about how it goes with

1181
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: Vulk a little bit later, but let's start here. He

1182
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 2: triangle chokes in the second round, josh Emmett. As I mentioned,

1183
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: he's the new interim champion BC, What did ya heer?

1184
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: Rodriguez prove with this victory that.

1185
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: His ubl luke his upper bound limits, as you would say,

1186
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 1: his ceiling in a potential biggest fight of his career,

1187
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: which he might just get next against Alexander Volkanowski. We don't.

1188
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: We just don't know where it is because what he

1189
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: did in here, and look, you know what a great

1190
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: night at UFC two eighty four will certainly certainly here. Yeah,

1191
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: hear Rodriguez, but dom Cruz did, and I know whenever

1192
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: they travel internationally, they can shake up the pay per

1193
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: view broadcast and sometimes you get a trio that you

1194
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: love and suddenly you're like, man, that might be my

1195
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: new favorite trio. Dude, dom Cruse, I think might deserve

1196
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: to be in this spot moving forward. And I thought

1197
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: he really outlined perfectly the chances Yaiyir has to take

1198
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: to and these strikes that he does, but that he's

1199
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: willing to do. I guess in some ways you can

1200
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: compare that to the run O Lavera had when he

1201
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: was in those wars one after another, yet he was

1202
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: the last man standing.

1203
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 2: Luke.

1204
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: I mean, we've known about Yeahiar forever. We've fawned over

1205
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: the potential of his talent forever. It has taken him

1206
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: a while to put it together. I did think that

1207
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: Max Holloway one changed the conversation. This performance right here

1208
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: obviously had the Ortega fight in between, but it had

1209
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: some unanswered questions. I mean, this is he can get

1210
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: josh Emmett into the fight that Josh Emmett wants, which

1211
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: is to get close and unload big strikes. But because

1212
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: of his length, because of his reaction speed, and because

1213
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: of his willingness to get close to the fire without

1214
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: being burned, He's able to get in and out and

1215
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: land fight altering dramatic strikes, including that left kick to

1216
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: the body early on that landed with like, you know,

1217
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: the sound of a baseball bat on a home run swing. Luke,

1218
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: he proved that any given night may even the next

1219
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: fight against the best fighter in the world. You can't

1220
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: count him out, Luke. He is you know, Dom called

1221
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: him a one of one, and I don't mean to

1222
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: come out here and just steal Dom's analysis but I

1223
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: thought he nailed it. He is because very few people,

1224
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: and we said this about Oliver and his run on top,

1225
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: very few people can execute styles like this and welcome

1226
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: the danger and still find the success without paying for it.

1227
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: And his length, explosiveness and willingness and the way he

1228
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: disguises his strikes and gets closer. I mean he fought

1229
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: that in Josh Emmett's range and absolutely silenced and finished him.

1230
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: Damn did did he come full mature maturity like he's

1231
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: grown in. He's blossomed in to the man that at

1232
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: one point we thought he could be, and even at

1233
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: this point as interim champion, I don't know how good

1234
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: he is, Luke, and that's scary, dude.

1235
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 2: I was blown away by this performance. I mean I

1236
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 2: was really blown away. You and I have a high

1237
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: opinion of Josh Emmett, and not without good reason, by

1238
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 2: the way he was getting out struck in the first round.

1239
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 2: Then he drops yair and then I thought he stole

1240
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 2: the first round. To be honest with you, it was,

1241
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 2: you know, he was getting chewed up a little bit,

1242
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: but then turned the tide with that nuclear power that

1243
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 2: he has, and I'm like, all right, well, this is

1244
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: the central tension of the fight, but the reality ended

1245
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 2: up being that, I mean, Yayi Rodriguez, Dude, We're going

1246
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: to look back on Max Holloway's win over Yayi Rodriguez

1247
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 2: a lot more fondly than we already do. I mean,

1248
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 2: I think that, honestly, BC, here's something to think about.

1249
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 2: You know, Max got like really chewed up by Volkanovsky

1250
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 2: in part because Volkanovsky in fact, in fact, for the

1251
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 2: most part, I should say, because Volkanovsky is amazing. I

1252
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 2: do wonder how much that Yayear fight took out of him,

1253
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 2: which people wondered in real time, but now looking back

1254
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 2: on it's like, Dude, Yayir is a vicious, devastating striker.

1255
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 2: You know, we talk about guys with big punching power

1256
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 2: as like devastating strikers or people who you know, I

1257
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 2: don't know, have more conventional slick technique, and he's slick

1258
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: as hell, but you know, he's a little bit wild

1259
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: at the same time, and so because he's wild and acrobatic,

1260
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 2: people think it's not devastating. He is a devastating striker. Dude.

1261
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 2: Those middle kicks to the body of Josh Emmmett josh

1262
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 2: Emmont looked like he had never felt anything like that

1263
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 2: in his life, and that dude's been through some shit.

1264
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe how much it made him struggle. But

1265
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 2: the real thing that got me my attention was bc

1266
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 2: Yair Rodriguez has offense everywhere, everywhere.

1267
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: No panic. When he ends up on his back with

1268
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: a ground and pound wrestling specialist on top of him,

1269
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: no panic. And he gets to finish within like twenty seconds, amazing.

1270
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: And on top of it, when he got underneath and

1271
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 2: he extends like an accordion with his elbow and then

1272
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 2: crunches down and gets it. He's so long and lanky, dude,

1273
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: he is a nightmare. It doesn't matter where you have him.

1274
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: He always has a way to reverse position, find offense,

1275
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 2: and that offense is usually ugly and devastating. He is,

1276
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 2: and he is an offensive dynamo. And Danny Segura brought

1277
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: this up. He and Brandon Morena were part of that

1278
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen class of fighters that the UFC had basically

1279
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: turned into like scholarship athletes to go and train in

1280
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: North America and let's see what they could become. And

1281
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 2: most of the people, I'm sure that they put money

1282
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 2: in didn't work out. But from the same class they

1283
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 2: have Brandon moreno flyweight champ and now Yahi Rodriguez one

1284
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: for five interim champ. Don't forget also both guys for

1285
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: a time in different circumstances and not for very long,

1286
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: but both guys cut from the UFC before they had

1287
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: to come back to the UFC. If you recall your

1288
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 2: Ei Rodriguez was briefly let go and then brought back.

1289
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: So that was the thing that happened. And so we're

1290
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: just talking about a guy who has developed a highly

1291
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 2: unique totally I mean just a bruising. His style is

1292
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 2: like a bully. It's almost like a bully what he

1293
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 2: does to people, and yet it's all long range or

1294
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 2: when it gets short range, he's got nastiness for them.

1295
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: There he is. He is arguably the most offensively talented

1296
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 2: fighter in the UFC. How many guys have this kind

1297
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 2: of and dude, his offense causes urgency, right Like when

1298
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: he was landing the body kicks to Emmett, Emmett would

1299
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 2: freeze and they get hit with the another one. And

1300
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, you've taken two really really

1301
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 2: bad hard shots they just pile on top of each

1302
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 2: other so quickly everything turns to quicksand with yet Rodriguez

1303
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 2: in the punishing strikes like that, with him, he may

1304
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 2: be the most offensively gifted fighter, certainly the almost offensively

1305
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 2: oriented fighter in many ways in the UFC. And I

1306
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 2: honestly feel like, you know, that's a tough fight for Volkanowski.

1307
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 2: I think Volkanowski will probably win. I favor him to win,

1308
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:29,479
Speaker 2: but dude, yeah, puff guy to beat.

1309
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: So let's compare slightly here. Now. Look, I'm I'm a

1310
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: bigger fan of prime Brian Ortega, meaning the moments which

1311
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: can be fleeting at times that he can show you

1312
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: the very best of him. I looked at Brian Ortega

1313
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: headed into that Volkanowski fight as somebody who could, if

1314
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: things win his way and he was able to take

1315
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: his superpowers and put them in, you know, find a

1316
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: moment where he can use them, he could win it.

1317
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: And he showed you that he put Volkanovsky in more

1318
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,919
Speaker 1: danger of losing during this run short of the fight

1319
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: we just saw than you know that we've ever seen,

1320
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: and maybe even comparative to that fight we just saw,

1321
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: which was a decision loss. Yayir can do that Luke

1322
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: only I don't think he has those same exact flaws

1323
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: of Ortega to welcome danger and wear it in the sense,

1324
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, or Tega's gotta or Taga like Charles Olivera

1325
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: on that recent run, they've got to take some damage

1326
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: to be in that to open up the opportunities for

1327
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: them to get the win. Do you feel that Yayir

1328
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: is better at minimizing that damage. I mean, it's not

1329
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: as if his aggressive style, which sometimes involves risk taking,

1330
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: doesn't open him up to strikes against Max right. I mean,

1331
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: it was a back and forth, great fight, but I

1332
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,919
Speaker 1: don't think he takes on as much damage willingly as

1333
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: Olivera and Ortega does to try to have those big moments.

1334
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: And that's that little slight difference to me, makes some

1335
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: extra dangerous.

1336
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: I just feel like his offense, I mean, he's got

1337
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 2: better defense too, like he makes better decisions, but his

1338
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 2: offense just ends up being his defense, which is to say,

1339
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 2: like it's so punishing and again he can catch you

1340
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 2: from such different ranges. I don't think folks really realize

1341
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 2: that and how quick they come that it ends up

1342
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 2: causing problems. It gets guys out of their game plans.

1343
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 2: It gets them hurt obviously, it gets them panicking, It

1344
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 2: gets them to just make a series of bad decisions,

1345
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 2: and so that makes it easier for him to the

1346
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 2: employ whatever defensive work that he has to. But like,

1347
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 2: just think about it. From underneath the guard, he's not

1348
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: collar tying and overhooking when he's in guard. What is

1349
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: he doing. He's closing the guard, and then he's just

1350
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 2: ripping elbows from underneath relentlessly and very hard. Like they're

1351
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 2: not small, they're not like the ones like over the shoulder,

1352
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 2: which you know are mechanically inefficient. There's not much you

1353
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 2: can do there, but just his it's nothing to say

1354
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 2: he doesn't have defense, but he doesn't find himself. B See,

1355
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: this is the thing right whenever you like. For example,

1356
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 2: even when Max would have Yayer mounted right, that's a

1357
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 2: very dominant position, he wouldn't be able to hold it

1358
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 2: for very long. There'd be strikes from underneath, he'd cause

1359
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 2: a scramble, he would somehow find a way eventually to

1360
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: get out of it. So he would have defensive work

1361
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 2: in those scenarios, but he turns it into offense so

1362
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 2: quickly he'd makes he takes defensively bad situations and finds

1363
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 2: offense in them. He's just so offensively oriented, and because

1364
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 2: he's acrobatic and rangey, it's just one of the most

1365
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 2: miraculous things you're ever going to see. Josh Emmett is

1366
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 2: a quality fighter, and you would not have known that

1367
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 2: watching him compete against the IAEA on Saturday Night.

1368
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. But and even in that argument, Josh Emmitt did

1369
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: land a couple of big shots where you're like, oh,

1370
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, one of those could change the entire direction

1371
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: of this fight. Yeaher took those very well, Luke. He

1372
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: is becoming a special fighter. I don't know enough. You know,

1373
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: I haven't followed his specific probably because I never intered

1374
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: I've not interviewed him during this run yet, But I

1375
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: don't know behind the scenes what clicked. But something changed,

1376
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: And you're right, and I've made that point in the

1377
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: past about that. We'll look back at that Max fights

1378
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: as a major turning point. What do you think has

1379
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: changed for Yaar? Is it just maturity and focused, Luke,

1380
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: Because there's a level of poise and dialed in focus

1381
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: that just wasn't there in those previous runs.

1382
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 2: So let's talk about something that he did. How about

1383
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,919
Speaker 2: those body kicks, right, we all remember the body kicks

1384
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 2: that he landed from opposite side stance. What you saw

1385
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 2: him doing was actually low kicking, low kicking, low kicking,

1386
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 2: and then he would faint the low kick switch stance.

1387
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 2: Emmett would back up just a bit like, well, what's

1388
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 2: happening here, and then move into range and the instant

1389
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 2: he this all happens very quickly, and the instant he

1390
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 2: pops back in boom, yeah, here set him up and

1391
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 2: landed on him. So and then, by the way, what

1392
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 2: would he do behind the kick. He'd throw the punch

1393
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 2: right behind it, right, so boom. Movement's like a one

1394
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 2: two thing. So what do I bring this up to say?

1395
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: Before?

1396
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 2: I think he was just kind of jout. Still, you'll

1397
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 2: still see it in the UFC. You'll see fighters come in,

1398
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 2: usually in the lower levels, and they just joust with

1399
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,479
Speaker 2: one another. They don't faint their way in, they don't

1400
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 2: trick their way in. Everything is just about force meeting

1401
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 2: force and then seeing who the better guy is. But

1402
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 2: that's a real meathead way to fight. The better guys,

1403
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 2: the really better guys don't do that. What you see

1404
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 2: from here Rodriguez was he used low kicks and fainting

1405
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 2: to get himself into the stance and distance and to

1406
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 2: get the reaction that he wanted out of Emmett. To

1407
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 2: make it all work, he has got different tools to

1408
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 2: play with that have elevated his game. And BC, this

1409
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 2: is what you're picking up on. Everything seems to gel

1410
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 2: together now because he has not just this tool, that tool,

1411
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 2: that strike, this punch. It's all a system that he

1412
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 2: has built and now he executes the system. And what

1413
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 2: you're noticing is, wow, it all works together so well, right,

1414
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 2: that's a developed fighter.

1415
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: Well said Luke. Thomas Well said, are you transitioning out?

1416
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: Because there's a couple of loose ends that people want

1417
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: us to address here?

1418
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 2: Luke, overall, I can transition out, but real quickly, how

1419
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 2: do you feel like a fight between Volkanovski and Rodriguez

1420
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 2: looks like?

1421
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: Great question? I agree with you that you're gonna have

1422
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: to favor Volkanovsky and if you said who's more likely

1423
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: to win him? Because what makes Volkanowski great He's got

1424
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: an answer for everything and he's not gonna be overwhelmed

1425
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: in any category. Potentially, unless you're against this type of

1426
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: striker who can disguise, launch and connect explosive type of strikes,

1427
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: Luke at any given moment that can alter things. Now

1428
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: you know, is gonna Is he gonna one strike knockout Volkanovski?

1429
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: Probably not likely. Lkonowski showing a chin and an ability,

1430
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: as we mentioned with Ortega, fight to get out of

1431
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: gnarley situations with extreme focus and confidence and ployees and

1432
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: and damn damn did he look? Did he do things

1433
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: on Saturday that elevated him enough for me to keep

1434
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: him number one pound for pound? But if you're asking

1435
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: me who at featherweight right now, because you know, I

1436
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: don't know if Teko is going to ever make the

1437
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: kind of run to get back to the top I

1438
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: want him to. I don't know if the beat's ever

1439
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: coming through that door again, Luke. And if he does,

1440
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, he may never be the the mythical hero

1441
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: that I look at him to be. This is the guy, Luke,

1442
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: This is the guy that can do it. And we

1443
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: have to remember that because in the sport, especially at

1444
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: the late level, you can you can lose a million

1445
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: ways and anything can happen. Look at Edwards versus Usman

1446
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: and poets on versus uh atosign. You have to prove

1447
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: that he's got a very good chance of winning this

1448
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: full championship. And this it's funny, we said it, and

1449
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: it's right. Volkanovski versus Macheva on Peper one of the one, seriously,

1450
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: one of the best fights of this era in terms

1451
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: of like stakes, combined talent, wind streaks, pound for pound placement,

1452
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: and oh yet also it also delivered. But Yayir versus

1453
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: versus the Champire pretty pretty good too, Luke, Okay, one

1454
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: of the best fights you can make in this entire

1455
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: sport this calendar year.

1456
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 2: If you just think about that title fights you can make,

1457
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:19,919
Speaker 2: that's one of the best ones. And here's the thing.

1458
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 2: I think Volkanovsky is a better overall fighter than Yah Hear,

1459
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 2: no doubt about it in my mind. But ya Heir

1460
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 2: is so fucking dangerous.

1461
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: Styles, dude, I hate that cliche. But styles do make fights.

1462
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: What about these styles?

1463
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 2: Damn right? That was that one? Whenever they make that

1464
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 2: one is a fun one. And bc first time in

1465
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 2: UFC history history two simultaneous Mexican champions Pretty big deal,

1466
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 2: Pretty big deal that alright, let's go to point number

1467
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,479
Speaker 2: four here be see last on the UFC two eighty

1468
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 2: four card. If we can just very simply, how about

1469
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 2: Jack Dale Madelena and we all kind of thought he

1470
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 2: was going to look good and get it done, but uh,

1471
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 2: he looked really good and really got it done against

1472
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 2: Randy Brown, stopping him in the first round BC. This

1473
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 2: was supposed to be his toughest test. He ended up

1474
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 2: breezing right through. It is the right next step for

1475
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 2: Jack Dayla Metalane Old JDM a top fifteen opponent right now.

1476
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: Oh oh heck yeah. This is since the decision win

1477
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: in the Contender series, which is, by the way, the

1478
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: only pro fight for Jack that has not that has

1479
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: not ended in a finish, either you know, for him

1480
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: losing which he lost twice early, or or the run

1481
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: he's on. Dude, He's finished four straight opponents in the

1482
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 1: first round. Each one match made, you know, matchmaking in

1483
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: a way to try to show us what he has

1484
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: and what he can do. Dude, if he had just

1485
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 1: run through Brown and you know, early and dominated him,

1486
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: we still would have said great things. But even though

1487
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 1: the fight ultimately still ended early, the poise in setting

1488
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,439
Speaker 1: up those strikes and then once he's able to land them,

1489
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: the pinpoint, marksmanship, the ability to get the submission on

1490
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: and get the tap dude, all the stuff that Paddy

1491
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 1: Pimblet is receiving. And the only way this comparison makes

1492
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: sense is I felt that this pay per view card

1493
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: was not deep. No one can argue that whether these fights,

1494
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean our boy Bailey and of Mma on point

1495
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: on our MK show was like can't wait for Creup

1496
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 1: Minifield and we all laughed at him. Turns out we

1497
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 1: were wrong, Luke, because I was bat too crazy too,

1498
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 1: But this was.

1499
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 2: Not not I don't know, I didn't think it was not

1500
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 2: gonna be a crazy fight. I just didn't care.

1501
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: Good point, and that's the point of this card. Outside

1502
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: of those top two fights, he just didn't really care

1503
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,719
Speaker 1: except for this spot. He got the placement Patty received

1504
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: in his last fight in the co main event of

1505
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 1: a pay per view that tells you this guy could

1506
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: be next. Only unlike Patty, he's kicking the doors down

1507
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,719
Speaker 1: in the true way that really matters, by your performance

1508
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: in the cage, not by you know, being on Molly's shoulders,

1509
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: are getting that barstool money, which, by the way, if

1510
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 1: you can get that well done, Patty, you know how

1511
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: to market yourself. But this guy needs that that rocket

1512
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,600
Speaker 1: ship now to potentially, you know, make the leap and

1513
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: get started. I don't mean a title shot tomorrow. We're

1514
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,839
Speaker 1: not necessarily comparing him to Hamzat Chimayev and the standpoint

1515
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 1: of like he's here, he's ready to take over. Let's

1516
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: see what he's got. But you said top fifteen opponent,

1517
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: You're damn right. He better be getting that next because Luke,

1518
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: there's times when someone's rising and we see things and

1519
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: it gets us excited, and you know, we've been proven

1520
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: wrong a million times. He has that poised confidence and

1521
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 1: just understanding of what he's doing that is different. It

1522
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: is different. Is it different enough to win a championship?

1523
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, But I don't think you can overhype

1524
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: him right now because he's lived up to that in

1525
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: every possible way.

1526
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 2: The thing about him that's so amazing, b see is

1527
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 2: like a lot of times you'll see guys coming through

1528
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 2: the ranks and they'll even beat someone who's like well known,

1529
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 2: like Randy Brown is or something, but they'll do it

1530
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 2: with like brute force, you know, where they're just like

1531
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 2: a coming in there and then you know they land one,

1532
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 2: and everyone tries to say that there's a bunch of

1533
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 2: science behind it because they have the wins on their record,

1534
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 2: and everyone keeps falling and you're like, well, there must

1535
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 2: be science behind it. But a lot of times that

1536
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 2: ends up not really being true. And to be clear,

1537
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 2: Jack Dala Madeleine has good power. He's hardly some kind

1538
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 2: of soft touch guy. But the reason that he wins

1539
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 2: is because you can just watch him methodically fuck these

1540
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 2: guys up. I mean, it's really as simple as that.

1541
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 2: He is a scientist in there. He is a guy.

1542
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 2: These students, these young guys in their mid to you know,

1543
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 2: earlist in the late twenties. I think he's around that twenties.

1544
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 2: He's twenty six, I think twenty six years old, and

1545
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 2: he looks this good. He reminds me a little bit.

1546
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 2: Actually that's not quite true. But the point I wanted

1547
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 2: to make was he is able to apply a very

1548
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 2: technical game to get what he wants. And that's why

1549
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 2: it works every time, at least against given who he's

1550
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 2: going up against, because he's not playing he's not first

1551
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,879
Speaker 2: of all, he's not fucking around. He's not just trying

1552
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 2: things randomly. He has a game plan. He is a

1553
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 2: well studied student. He has good foundations, great foundations, and

1554
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 2: he applies them scientifically. He applies them systematically, and so

1555
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 2: no wonder it's not an accident. How did he do it?

1556
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 2: He used good footwork to corral Randy Brown, pass him,

1557
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 2: push him back, make him exit on an angle, and

1558
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 2: then popped him for it on the blind side when

1559
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 2: he did. Dude, that was I mean, I don't know

1560
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 2: if he had that plan from the word go inside

1561
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 2: of the game plan, but pressuring him backwards and then

1562
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 2: forcing him to make bad choices I guarantee was in

1563
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 2: the game plan. I absolutely guarantee it, partly because you

1564
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 2: know that about Randy Brown being is able to be

1565
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 2: pressured on tape, you can see it pretty clearly. So

1566
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 2: the point I wanted to make here was here was

1567
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 2: a guy against an experienced opponent who just methodically pushed

1568
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 2: him back, methodically, using good footwork, corralled an opponent, and

1569
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 2: then popped him for on the way out. Dude, this

1570
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 2: is what you want from guys in their twenties, right,

1571
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 2: This is what you want if you can take what

1572
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 2: that's already there and then build experience slightly tougher opposition,

1573
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 2: good development. He'll get physically stronger as he gets bigger,

1574
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 2: all that fun stuff. By the time he's thirty, he

1575
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 2: is gonna be a nightmare for the one seventy years

1576
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,759
Speaker 2: out there. He's already a guy in my view, deserving

1577
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 2: of someone in the top fifteen, and I think he's

1578
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 2: gonna go much much further than that.

1579
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, look, before you transition out of this UFC

1580
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 1: a couple points real quick. People have hit us on

1581
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: Twitter aggressively. I want to respond. Some people say, no,

1582
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: forget this pump for pond debate. It should be John Jones. Guys,

1583
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 1: he's off three years most rankings if you have any

1584
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 1: kind of backbone and doing them, you have a one

1585
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: year rule where after a full year, if a fighter

1586
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: does not have a fight and they've been inactive, like

1587
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: they don't have a fight scheduled or there's no major rumors,

1588
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: they got to be off the list. Okay, it's right now.

1589
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: Who's the best right now? We don't still know if

1590
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: John Jones is the best right now? Number two, Luke.

1591
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 1: People want you, in particular to respond to Dan Hooker's

1592
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 1: Twitter accusations this morning that Mahachev used an IV and

1593
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: should be suspended by USADA and not allowed to win

1594
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: that fight your thought.

1595
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, did he provide a lick of evidence for it,

1596
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 2: because I haven't seen any.

1597
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. And finally there's a fellow Luke

1598
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: named Matt Ritz who said, hey, MK is one of

1599
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 1: your p ones. You really fucked up with this live show.

1600
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 1: Hey once again, dude, not our fault.

1601
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 2: But actually it turns out that we didn't you know

1602
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:47,959
Speaker 2: even further.

1603
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,719
Speaker 1: Here that live show was for the UK. In fact,

1604
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,759
Speaker 1: the idea I have pitched originally was that it wouldn't

1605
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: even air live so that we can make it as

1606
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 1: crazy and you know, raunchy as possible. We will. You

1607
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: will get it. You're gonna be appreciative that we waited

1608
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 1: long based on the production values of what they do.

1609
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 2: You're gonna enjoy that.

1610
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 1: So don't worry about.

1611
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 2: I'm happy to accept blame where we actually were the

1612
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 2: ones who did something and messed it up.

1613
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's happened a lot.

1614
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 2: But this and by the way, will happen in the future,

1615
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 2: not the case here.

1616
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: And before you transition out of here, are you going

1617
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: to bring up Jessica andrage now or later?

1618
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 2: We did you put anything about it. In have you

1619
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 2: seen this ship I have. Let's wait, let's wait, let's

1620
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,719
Speaker 2: wait until DM. Let's wait until it might be in there. Okay, BC, last,

1621
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 2: but not least, you were there. I called the prelambs solo,

1622
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 2: which don't make me do that again. You see that's

1623
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 2: very hard.

1624
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 1: You did that to me once on a five minute notice.

1625
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 1: Not your fault.

1626
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 2: He was sick. We had to take her to the r.

1627
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: Not your fault, by the way, And I would have

1628
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 1: told you to go a million times, but I know

1629
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 1: that feeling. It ain't it ain't easy, brother.

1630
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 2: It's tough. It's tough. Well we got through it. Carl

1631
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 2: was good. Main event. You gotta love the story. It

1632
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 2: looks like it's spelled oh shacky. It's not. It's it's

1633
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 2: pronounced oh shaki. It's oh SHACKI Foster and he was

1634
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 2: a slight, slight under dog BC heading into this one.

1635
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 2: I talked about the odds on the prelim show, but

1636
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 2: you had told me ahead of time. You just thought

1637
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 2: that Foster had a chance. Now, Ray Vargas heading into

1638
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 2: this fight was undefeated, was the one twenty two previous champion,

1639
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 2: was the reigning one twenty six champion. This was his

1640
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 2: first shot at one hundred and thirty after the Mark

1641
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 2: Manksio fight. Why did you believe that Foster had such

1642
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:22,600
Speaker 2: a good chance of winning.

1643
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 1: Even though he wasn't the taller man in this one.

1644
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 1: Ray Vargas, you know, unnaturally tall for the divisions he

1645
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: fights in, he was the bigger man, which I know

1646
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: that doesn't make a ton of sense because you're like, well,

1647
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 1: he's known as a slickster, not a puncher. He has

1648
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: a very interesting style that sometimes makes him a puncher.

1649
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: I have extra experience having called one of Oshaki's biggest

1650
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 1: wins a knockout of Miguel Roman back on the old

1651
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: NBC Sports Ring City USA card, and he did the

1652
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: same thing here he did to Vargas, only he got

1653
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: a stoppage in that one. Luke. He has an ability

1654
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 1: because his defense is so sound to operate in punching

1655
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: range for most of the fight, but use the swiveling,

1656
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: use the shoulder roles, used different things to be able

1657
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: to stand close enough where if your defense isn't up

1658
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:06,600
Speaker 1: to point, he'll light you up with shots. And the

1659
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: key to this victory was taking away the jab of

1660
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 1: Vargas by being quicker on the inside. He didn't run

1661
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: like Vargas accused him of ahead of the fight that

1662
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: he would do. You know, this wasn't all the slick

1663
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: boxer just got enough. This was a fighter who used

1664
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 1: his slickness, matched it with the willingness to punch, landed

1665
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 1: the better shots throughout, and got the decision win and

1666
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: is now a champion at one hundred and thirty pounds.

1667
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 1: So you may ask yourself, why should I care. Look,

1668
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 1: we cover combat sports for a living. More often than not,

1669
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: there's bad headlines and bad, bad endings. This is a

1670
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 1: really good one. And look, you texted me something when

1671
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: you were doing your research ahead of call of calling,

1672
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 1: you know, setting up the prelimbs and hosting it, which

1673
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 1: you did a great job. You were the judge, jury,

1674
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: and executioner in that regard. You said, O'shaki's got a

1675
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:51,839
Speaker 1: way better story than he even tells himself in interviews.

1676
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: And that's true. He's very humble. But here's the real

1677
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 1: deal on Oshaki. Foster did not have a good childhood,

1678
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: had an awful one in ways that weren't his fault.

1679
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 1: Was arrested for aggravated results six years ago. Did jail time.

1680
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: It was in jail that he watched Terence Crawford become

1681
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 1: the undisputed champion at one hundred and forty pounds, in

1682
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: which he sort of had his rock bottom moment of

1683
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 1: that could be that should be me? And what he's

1684
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: done since then in the six years get out of prison,

1685
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: turn his personal life around, get back to becoming a

1686
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 1: fighter worthy of climbing the ladder of becoming a title contender,

1687
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: and then dealing with boxing politics. Luke, he had nearly

1688
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: two years off after that big win over Miguel Romand

1689
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: that I mentioned, because he just couldn't get the right

1690
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 1: opportunities at the right time. But when he did on Saturday,

1691
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: he showed you exactly who he is one of the

1692
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 1: best one hundred and thirty pound fighters in this world.

1693
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 1: So I wanted to make sure that people got that turnaround.

1694
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 1: In the story. Ray Vargas was thirty six and oh

1695
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:54,799
Speaker 1: coming in, like you mentioned, had just had the biggest

1696
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: win of his career against Mark Magxio at one twenty six,

1697
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: won a world title and was trying to dare to

1698
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: be great. In his own words, was trying to join

1699
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 1: that list of Mexican fighters who have won titles in

1700
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 1: three different divisions. And by the way, that list is

1701
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 1: like Chavez, Canelo, Morales, Barrera, Marris, Santa Cruz, all the

1702
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 1: names you know and love. He couldn't do it because

1703
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: O'shaki Foster stepped up in his biggest opportunity and showed out.

1704
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 1: And I was you know, look, I'm very happy Jim

1705
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:21,839
Speaker 1: Gray went to the Super Bowl. He was on assignment.

1706
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 1: I got to fill in. But to see that moment

1707
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: play out right in front of me, it was great.

1708
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: And you know, great crowd, just a pure boxing fans

1709
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: down there in San Antonio really enjoyed that. I believe

1710
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 1: we've got just a quick bite of sound to throw

1711
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 1: to for Oshaki celebrating the moment here Long Island, Luke

1712
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 1: in the back. If you can press play years later,

1713
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 1: through the boxing politics, through the layoffs. How do you

1714
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 1: even put into words what this journey has been like?

1715
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 3: Man, I can't. I can't even put it into where

1716
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 3: its man, You know, I just know. I just know

1717
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 3: my mom's, my grandma, you know, my uncle and them

1718
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 3: they are looking down on me. Man, he's just been

1719
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 3: It's been a tough Johnny, but a great outcome, man.

1720
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 1: Great story.

1721
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 2: Seriously, he said something, Yeah, I watched your interview with him,

1722
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 2: not this one, but the one you did pre fight,

1723
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 2: and I told my wife about it. I was so like,

1724
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 2: he said something that was heartbreaking, man, heartbreaking. He said that,

1725
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 2: you know, he didn't get into big details, but he

1726
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 2: said he wasn't wanted as a child, and one of

1727
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 2: the ways he eventually figured it out was he'd never

1728
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 2: understood why there were no baby pictures of him, Like

1729
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 2: there was nothing, and he realized that like basically at

1730
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 2: the time, he was just an unwonted kid. And you know,

1731
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 2: it kind of broke my heart because, like, dude, Tuki

1732
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 2: is like everywhere all over my house. I have a

1733
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 2: Google nest and it's just rotating photos of Tuki. She's

1734
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: on my wall here, like I could never imagine not

1735
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 2: documenting every part of her day. I was sad when

1736
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 2: he said that, man, I was sad. So like one

1737
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 2: of the guys who's made his own mistakes, as you mentioned,

1738
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 2: he not. You know, this is not a guy who

1739
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 2: is just an angel from send down from heaven. He's

1740
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 2: he's made his own problems at times, but but he

1741
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 2: does seem like a good guy. He seems like a

1742
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 2: great dad, and he is a hell of a champion.

1743
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 2: He's I'm the vacant one thirty WBC super featherweight title.

1744
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 2: So good for Oshaki Foster.

1745
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 1: And that's one of the titles that Shakers. Stevenson lost

1746
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 1: on the scales and then moved up in Wait. So

1747
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, he had his son in his arms before

1748
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 1: that in ring interview and it was just it was touching.

1749
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: He had a great, great turnout. He's from you know,

1750
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 1: down the road in Orange, Texas, which is closer to

1751
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: the Louisiana side, but great turnout in terms of the

1752
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: crowd for him. So it was a fun moment. And hey,

1753
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: Mario Barrio spounce back on the Colemane. I know it

1754
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, a killer opponent here. Jovanti Santiago moved

1755
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 1: up in Wait to fight him, but big win for

1756
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 1: Mario Barrios just the same.

1757
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 2: And the Petole brothers both got wins. Zannier and then

1758
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 2: Lanier one was on the prelims card, which I called

1759
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 2: his I don't know if he's his younger brother or not,

1760
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 2: but he's yea he younger brother, Yeah, he's This was

1761
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,720
Speaker 2: his third profight and then Lanier gets the win on

1762
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 2: the main car. Both guys from the same hometown as

1763
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 2: Luis Ortiz Kama Guy Cuba. So nice to see them

1764
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 2: getting back. By the way, Bob Santo's man trainer, Bob

1765
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 2: Santos on that card. Dude, good to see him out there.

1766
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 1: He just reunited with Barrios. I didn't even know that

1767
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 1: he was Barrios's original trainer on the come up. So yeah,

1768
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 1: nice moment there. We caught up with him behind the scenes.

1769
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 1: One of my favorite guys in this sport, very very

1770
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 1: good head coach. So we'll see what they did.

1771
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, can someone get Regis Progray a seat?

1772
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 2: Did you watch the broadcast? He spent the whole time.

1773
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 1: So he he had him and a couple of friends

1774
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: with him, and they're in that he's trained by the

1775
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: same trainer, Bobby Betton that Oshaki Foster is in Houston.

1776
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 1: He stood up the entire night in the fourth row

1777
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 1: cheering on Oshaki, which is great, but you know, good

1778
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 1: luck anybody sitting behind him telling the champ there at

1779
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:40,560
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1780
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Speaker 2: Yes, I did meet her briefly after the show and

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Speaker 2: she seemed quite quite nice and quite lovely. All right

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Speaker 2: BC from at pay Yule. Did Vulk just lay the

1842
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 2: blueprint excuse me for fighters to beat the seemingly unsolvable

1843
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 2: Doakistani style? Obviously not everyone can fight like Volk, but

1844
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 2: what are some of the key lessons other fighters can

1845
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 2: take from his performance? Yeah? I don't think he wrote

1846
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 2: the fucking blueprint to.

1847
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 1: Be very well. Well, I mean the key element is

1848
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 1: there is not everybody can fight like Vulk. I wasn't

1849
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,600
Speaker 1: sure Vulk could fight like Vulk in this fight, and

1850
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 1: he did so. But Luke, you made a case for

1851
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 1: the idea of Benny darry Yusch, who wasn't afraid to

1852
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 1: say things into a microphone that could have got him,

1853
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, off their luke standing firm and I appreciate that,

1854
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:24,679
Speaker 1: but uh, I mean, who can slow down? Who can

1855
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 1: neutralize Mahachev's take down threat enough to outstrike him?

1856
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 2: Right? That's the idea. The idea is is not that

1857
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 2: he and it's not that that it's not or who

1858
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,559
Speaker 2: could Who is better at wrestling than Islam? Right now?

1859
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 2: Maybe the answer is nobody, but that at least is

1860
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 2: still something you have to ask. Although I would say

1861
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 2: I think the defensive wrestling of Dariuse. People are like, oh, hey,

1862
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 2: dary Use doesn't have the speed of Volkanovsky. Are y'all

1863
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 2: under the impression that Volkanovsky won or I should say,

1864
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:56,759
Speaker 2: put it together a potentially winning performance because he was faster.

1865
01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 2: You should not think that that's not the reason why

1866
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 2: he did well. He did well because yeah, certain times

1867
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 2: he was quick, but it's because he had really good

1868
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 2: technical application to find openings. It's a big difference in

1869
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 2: just being zab Judah quick. No, that's not why he won.

1870
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 2: So dhar Use doesn't have that, but doesn't need that

1871
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 2: now Again, I'm not saying dary Use is the guy

1872
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 2: to beat Makachev, but we're talking about beating the Dakistani style.

1873
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,759
Speaker 2: Can we just say something, There's a lot of different

1874
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 2: Dagistani styles. There's not one Dagistani style. Like a lot

1875
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 2: of it is sometimes long range striking into obviously top

1876
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 2: control risk, control risk rides, leg rides, attacks from the back,

1877
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:38,640
Speaker 2: you know that kind of a thing. But like, you know,

1878
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 2: how different are Islam and for example uspin number made off.

1879
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 2: They're meaningfully similar, but there are also a lot of

1880
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 2: big differences between them. How about fucking Habiban Islam due

1881
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 2: they're very different fighters in a lot of important the

1882
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 2: beats another one. So like when people say the Dakistani style,

1883
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 2: it's like, what do you mean? Exactly? See this is

1884
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 2: what I mean. You see who's the best fighter. It

1885
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 2: just shows dominant. You're just saying words. They have to

1886
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 2: have meaning behind them. So I do think that Vulk

1887
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 2: showed that if you have the kind of takedown defense

1888
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 2: where you never never, you stay on your base, you

1889
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 2: wrist and hand fight the whole time, and you can

1890
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 2: create separation. Yeah, you can do a lot for yourself,

1891
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 2: but you know it's gonna take a lot more than

1892
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 2: that to beat Islam, all right? From at I mean,

1893
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 2: I've got glasses dollin m. Johnson. With damage being the

1894
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 2: main scoring criteria, it's supposed to be impact, but whatever,

1895
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 2: then couldn't an argument be made for Vulk winning round four?

1896
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 2: Get the fuck out of here with this? After all?

1897
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 2: That's how O'Malley edged out, Yan, Are we really gonna

1898
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 2: fucking argue you can give up the back for three

1899
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 2: minutes and win a fucking round because of punches like this?

1900
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 2: Get the fuck out of here with this? What nonsense?

1901
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 2: This fucking argument is so stupid.

1902
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 1: Let me read the key paragraph time and then people

1903
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 1: can judge for themselves. It is from the definition here.

1904
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 1: A judge shall assess if a fighter impacts their opponent

1905
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 1: significantly in the round, even though they may not have

1906
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:14,839
Speaker 1: dominated the action. Impact includes visible evidence, such as swelling

1907
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 1: and lacerations. Impact shall also be assessed when a fighter's

1908
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 1: actions using striking and or grappling lead to a diminishing

1909
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 1: of their opponent's energy, confidence, abilities, and spirit. All of

1910
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 1: these came as a direct result of impact. When a

1911
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:33,720
Speaker 1: fighter is impacted with strikes by lack of control and

1912
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 1: or ability. This can create defining moments in the round

1913
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 1: and shall be assessed with great value. I understand that's

1914
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 1: very generic. I think it kind of is for a

1915
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 1: point to a point. People have overvalued the idea of

1916
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 1: impact to the level that they take away anything you're

1917
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 1: doing on the ground short of ground and pounding someone's

1918
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: face in, And I think we got to get off

1919
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: of that.

1920
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,640
Speaker 2: Also, just I don't think people understand the significance of

1921
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:58,759
Speaker 2: the back. And again, if you wanted to say Islam

1922
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:02,759
Speaker 2: was stalling, I'm not disagreeing he was stalling. He was stalling.

1923
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 2: Certainly towards the end, he was stalling. Uh, But that's

1924
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 2: the referee's job. Like, it's not Islam's job to let

1925
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 2: go because he's stalling, or for Volke to get like

1926
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 2: a free stand up because Islam's stalling. I guess the

1927
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 2: referee suposed to be interviewed. It's the referee's job. If

1928
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 2: the referee and I like my garden, I'm not it's

1929
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 2: a tough job. He didn't do it because people don't

1930
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 2: want to take away from the back. Understand why the

1931
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 2: referee doesn't want to take away from the back, right,

1932
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 2: Like why won't referee stand up someone who's in mount

1933
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 2: or in the back. It's happened to times. It's extremely rare.

1934
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:35,679
Speaker 2: It's because if you know anything about fighting, having that

1935
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:39,679
Speaker 2: kind of asymmetry where I have control and total access

1936
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 2: to your back, dude, that is fucking check. Ladies and gentlemen,

1937
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 2: you are you're asking it? He would I'd rather be

1938
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 2: this guy or the guy with the back control. I'll

1939
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 2: be the guy with the back control one billion times

1940
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 2: out of one billion. It is such an advantage, and

1941
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 2: it puts your opponent if they don't have, if their

1942
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 2: defense is not locked in the whole time, the beility

1943
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:03,600
Speaker 2: of the fight to go from where it is to

1944
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 2: over is that fucking quick? Yes, of course he won

1945
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 2: that fucking round. What are people talking about?

1946
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 1: I think people see they go, oh, he took him

1947
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 1: down and didn't land meaningful strikes. Very true. Fine, but

1948
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 1: that doesn't cancel out what happened. And unless Volkanovski had

1949
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 1: a decided advantage in terms of striking and damage or

1950
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 1: the threat of submissions or anything that could have won

1951
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 1: him the fight, you have to count that part of it,

1952
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:31,639
Speaker 1: which was he took him down, he took his back,

1953
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 1: and he put on a thread of a choke, and

1954
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: it's just what it is. And look in these rounds,

1955
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 1: the striking was too close to automatically say, oh, well,

1956
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 1: he didn't really do anything with that takedown. If it

1957
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 1: wasn't close, you can say that, but because it was,

1958
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:45,679
Speaker 1: it's part of the argument, right.

1959
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 2: And again it's like, oh well, the submissions anything he

1960
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 2: was trying from the back then wasn't very close. If

1961
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 2: you make any mistake from the back, it is fucking over.

1962
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 2: It is over against someone as good as Islam Mocktchev,

1963
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 2: it's fucking over. That's almost not true for virtually any

1964
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 2: other position that you can achieve in all of grapplings.

1965
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 1: And as great as Vulcan is. But I think he

1966
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:10,799
Speaker 1: was so smart during that sequence to get the crowd

1967
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 1: involved and try to raise the energy, because I think

1968
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 1: it was lifting him to be able to try to

1969
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 1: work out of that position, and that's a credit to him.

1970
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 1: But you need that crowd. You kind of need that

1971
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 1: crowd to fuel you just the same though.

1972
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:26,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right from Dawson dot Hooley, I think, okay,

1973
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 2: so if you folks didn't see this, they write with

1974
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 2: Santos out, how do you see Blanchfield versus On Rodge

1975
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 2: playing out, So for folks, you may not have caught

1976
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 2: this Tyler Santos. But by the way, the news was

1977
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 2: broken hello on the RSD couch that Aaron Blanchfield this

1978
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 2: coming weekend is going to be fighting Tyler Santos, except BC,

1979
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 2: Tyla Santos is out and replacing her is Jessica on Rodge.

1980
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 2: Now we've been high on Aaron Blanchfield. I liked her

1981
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 2: chances against Tyler Santos. I don't know about the Jessica

1982
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 2: on Drodge fight. BC. What are your feelings about this one?

1983
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's elements to it that make this a much

1984
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 1: harder fight. And what a turnaround of circumstances, considering we

1985
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:07,759
Speaker 1: knew about this date in fight happening from the RSD.

1986
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 1: But then you know, what was the original main event

1987
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 1: of this car wasn't it Cheato versus San Jagan That

1988
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 1: got moved?

1989
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 2: Yes, I got.

1990
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 1: So this became the main event and now you switch opponents,

1991
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 1: which you know it's certainly asking a lot of both fighters.

1992
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 1: There are elements of the Androge switch which makes this tougher,

1993
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 1: meaning Lansfield's got more of a chance to lose this spectacularly,

1994
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 1: because that's the power that Jessica Andrage brings to the

1995
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 1: equation and the strength and all that. But Luke, there

1996
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:41,759
Speaker 1: are certain vulnerabilities within Jessica at this at this division

1997
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,599
Speaker 1: that I don't thinks Tyl de Santo's has. Tyler Santo's

1998
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 1: to me, was a much better well rounded threat that

1999
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 1: was really going to test Aaron over the potential five

2000
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 1: rounds now with Andrage. It could be more dangerous in

2001
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 1: certain situations, but I think it also offers her. Look,

2002
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 1: she may have to throw a perfect game to do it,

2003
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:00,599
Speaker 1: but do you think she could throw a perfect game

2004
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:02,680
Speaker 1: here and potentially take Andrage down and win it in

2005
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 1: her strengths? Easier said than done. But I think that

2006
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 1: the change and opponent, it depends how you look at it.

2007
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 1: Am I right right or wrong?

2008
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 2: Here? I mean I'll say this. You know, if you're

2009
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 2: gonna fight Jessica and Drodge getting her on a week's notice,

2010
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 2: that helps, yep? Right, that helps? Okay, but it helps.

2011
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 2: I mean it changes things for Aaron too, But I mean,

2012
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 2: if you're you're getting a relatively unready Onroge. So there's

2013
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 2: that the Other part is do I think that that

2014
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:38,680
Speaker 2: Blanchfield can win, I do. It's gonna be tough in

2015
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 2: some sense, like Blanchefield losing is not a big deal

2016
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:45,759
Speaker 2: because this is like, I mean, this is way way

2017
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:48,639
Speaker 2: way out there in terms of like how Tyler Santos

2018
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 2: is a tough opponent, but Jessica Androge is a dangerous one,

2019
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:55,320
Speaker 2: like a very dangerous one. For the shit to go

2020
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 2: wrong for you with her is hot.

2021
01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:59,679
Speaker 1: You do not forget that not only did she lose

2022
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 1: the first round against Rose as badly as you can

2023
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:03,559
Speaker 1: use lose it and then drop Rose on her head.

2024
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 1: Weird circumstances, I get it, But don't forget the youanna

2025
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 1: title fight for Jessica Androge in which she was lit

2026
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:12,920
Speaker 1: up for three nearly four full rounds and Luke had

2027
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:15,600
Speaker 1: moments in the end, and those championship rounds would not

2028
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 1: stop coming forward, would not stop landing the kind of

2029
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:20,439
Speaker 1: punches that you're like, oh, I don't know if you

2030
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 1: want it can take another one of those. So if

2031
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 1: Blanchefield does this, it could be white knuckle for twenty

2032
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 1: five minutes. I mean it really could at the end

2033
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 1: of the day here, So it's weird. It's like if

2034
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,080
Speaker 1: she wins, dude, she might be getting the next title

2035
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:33,599
Speaker 1: shot against Chefchenko. If the things fall, if they fall

2036
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 1: her way, will it be better for her career in

2037
01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 1: the long run if she loses. You never know, Luke,

2038
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,759
Speaker 1: You never know in these circumstances. But she's game, she's ready.

2039
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 1: She's been incredible on this run. We're gonna find out

2040
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 1: for real what she's made of. Because if she cannot

2041
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 1: take Androge down and control in her strength, even if

2042
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 1: she outstrikes Androge in terms of volume and which, you know,

2043
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna still be asking a lot of her. Can

2044
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 1: she take those punches? I don't know. I don't know, dude.

2045
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 1: I mean, Lauren Murphy got she went the distance, but

2046
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 1: she got lit up, and she's about as tough as

2047
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 1: it comes in this division.

2048
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, she sure is. And so we talked to Blanchefield.

2049
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 2: She was like, I already know I'm better than everyone

2050
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 2: else in the division. Why should I wait? And I'm like, well,

2051
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:16,879
Speaker 2: you believe you're better than everyone else in the division.

2052
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:18,720
Speaker 2: Whether that's true, we shall see, But I'll say this,

2053
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 2: be see if she beats on Roge, she might be

2054
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 2: your new champion eventually. Like I that is well, dude, dude,

2055
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 2: to how many Okay, so how many fights currently on

2056
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 2: the record does Aaron Blanchfield have? Right, what's her exact record?

2057
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:36,240
Speaker 2: It's it's like less than ten fights, right.

2058
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, dude, this is the reality of a division

2059
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 1: that she wasn't just around it.

2060
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:43,760
Speaker 2: She's ten and one. Yeah, she's ten and one. So

2061
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:45,680
Speaker 2: this is only her twelfth profile if you can be

2062
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 2: just go on, Rodge in your twelfth profight? Fucking hell

2063
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 2: did she do?

2064
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:52,680
Speaker 1: Who are lost Tracy Cortes out of the UFCT? Yeah?

2065
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:54,799
Speaker 2: I think that was years ago. She lost Tracy Cortes

2066
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 2: back in twenty nineteen. And then Victor's a split decision,

2067
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:57,639
Speaker 2: so it's pretty close.

2068
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:00,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like she's got a chance to to

2069
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 1: win us over in monster ways. But look, the thing

2070
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 1: is the only thing that scares me is this Blanchfield's

2071
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 1: biggest wins. I'm thinking Miranda Maverick. I'm thinking, you know

2072
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:13,599
Speaker 1: that the big one against Mollie. She dominated those fights,

2073
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:15,599
Speaker 1: you know, on her terms.

2074
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 2: She looked incredible. I mean, she shone flash.

2075
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:22,679
Speaker 1: What happens if you got a rally. That's the things

2076
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 1: that's just unknown. She's cold blooded, Luke. We know that

2077
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 1: she may be able to do this at the end,

2078
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 1: and if she does, after a just Gondrage, she'll be

2079
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 1: fighting for a world title and we'll have a great

2080
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 1: chance at winning it, even with Valentina being a superhero.

2081
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:36,760
Speaker 1: But you gotta get past this boss at the end

2082
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:38,799
Speaker 1: of the video game, and it turns out it's Andrage

2083
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:41,760
Speaker 1: Luke and she comes to that fight to do one thing.

2084
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 1: Knock you the frick out?

2085
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 2: All right? From atcal dot COMI that's a worst name.

2086
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 1: Ever, that's gross.

2087
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, how did you both, but especially BC as

2088
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 2: a first time visitor find the food on your trip

2089
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 2: to London? Well, we went to a really nice dinner

2090
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 2: on Thursday night, right, Thursday night, Yeah, Thursday night at

2091
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:03,760
Speaker 2: some hawks More steakhouse.

2092
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 1: Or something like that. Yeah, that was nice. We weren't

2093
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 1: allowed to order.

2094
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:07,799
Speaker 2: Everything else was straight up trash.

2095
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 1: They daddy pants to us at that restaurant. They're like,

2096
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 1: your order, this is the food we will be serving you.

2097
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't even give us the men. You're like,

2098
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 2: you're just eating this ship.

2099
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 1: It was good, very really good.

2100
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 2: It was really good. I'll say this that the Brits

2101
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 2: just eat dog food. I mean, how else do you

2102
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 2: want me to say it?

2103
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 1: Like, well, there's there's probably going to be a scene

2104
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:26,680
Speaker 1: that you'll see on the upcoming doncumentary Morning Combat Volume eight,

2105
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 1: whenever Jake von Amsterdam gets to it. But yeah, I

2106
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:33,559
Speaker 1: sampled the gas station fair and you were like, you

2107
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 1: are fucking eating dog food, sir, And you know I

2108
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 1: couldn't argue with that. So here's what I'll say about it.

2109
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 1: So we had we had one elite meal, if you will,

2110
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 1: and I thought it was good. It was very good.

2111
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 1: We had a lot of midfair and to take a

2112
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 1: Luke Thomas word, it was it was nubs. It was weird.

2113
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 1: There were weird maybe that's just culture differences. There were

2114
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 1: like I ordered that salad there were no greens. It

2115
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:56,680
Speaker 1: was just all tomatoes.

2116
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 2: And ordered a tomato salad, right, and you're like, okay,

2117
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 2: what's its tomato salad? How about fifty five pounds of

2118
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 2: And when I say chunks of tomato, I don't mean

2119
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:09,680
Speaker 2: like juliend I mean like someone cut it with like

2120
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 2: a book. They just kind of smashed it and pulled

2121
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 2: the pieces apart and then threw them in a plate.

2122
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:17,800
Speaker 2: And then no lettuce, like, no onions, no nothing, just

2123
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:18,800
Speaker 2: fucking crutons.

2124
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 1: It was all that filled up with tomato juice, so

2125
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 1: it became a soup and then they gave me the

2126
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:27,760
Speaker 1: chicken separate And maybe that's normal fair there, but it

2127
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 1: was weird. I also had breakfast, Luke. They served me

2128
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 1: scrambled eggs on top of the on top of this

2129
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:34,720
Speaker 1: giant piece of bread that could not be chewed through.

2130
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 1: It's just there's some elements that are weird. Here's what

2131
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:39,599
Speaker 1: I'll say about the UK Fair in general. Their gas

2132
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:42,440
Speaker 1: station food is weird as shit, and create but creative.

2133
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 1: I'll give them that. But their candy sweets that area

2134
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 1: of fair, Luke, they're better. It's better, dude, it's way better.

2135
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:53,679
Speaker 1: Like what did I bring home for my family? Mostly

2136
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:55,920
Speaker 1: candy because it's way better, you know.

2137
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:58,360
Speaker 2: No, it's good that part. I like their candies. Their

2138
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 2: candies are pretty good. Obviously they're a good coffee. I

2139
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 2: had a couple of bad spots of coffee, but then

2140
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 2: I had some good ones too, so the coffee was fine.

2141
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 2: But like, listen, the Brits just can't believe that, like they,

2142
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 2: you know, they this was the center of the universe.

2143
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 2: London was the center of the universe at one point,

2144
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 2: and it's still just a phenomenal, world class city in

2145
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:21,479
Speaker 2: every way. I mean a lot is amazing. But uh yeah,

2146
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 2: the Spanish and the French. Fuck y'all up. I don't

2147
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:24,880
Speaker 2: know how's to tell you, Like, they're just much better

2148
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:25,639
Speaker 2: at it than you guys.

2149
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:28,559
Speaker 1: Like there's not a lot of variety of toothpaste offerings either.

2150
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 1: Did you notice that on the convenience stores?

2151
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 2: Look, okay, we do it. We're doing some Jerry Seinfeld

2152
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 2: airplane food bits with that. What are we doing here?

2153
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:37,799
Speaker 2: All right? From Sebastian Hackel, who's apparently verified.

2154
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:40,360
Speaker 1: Oh dude, that's I'll tell you who that is real quick.

2155
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 2: Okay, who is that?

2156
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 1: Uh? He's the German voice of WWE and a and

2157
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:49,679
Speaker 1: a pro wrestler, and he's the Joe Rogan of Germany.

2158
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 1: He calls pay per view. I think I got this right.

2159
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 1: He calls UFC pay per view fights in in the

2160
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 1: German language and is like the key go to collor

2161
01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 1: commentary guy and a big fan of the show.

2162
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:03,679
Speaker 2: Okay, you see. I gotta tell you I've been to Berlin. Berlin,

2163
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:07,759
Speaker 2: world class city, amazing city, amazing city.

2164
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 1: I would love to visit. I'd love to visit with

2165
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:11,760
Speaker 1: Sebastian Hackle and maybe we can go see that.

2166
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 2: So he goes, how about an MK show in Germany? Well,

2167
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 2: we haven't even really had a good one in the States.

2168
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 2: We need to have one here. For the best show

2169
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,479
Speaker 2: we've ever done is like nowhere near here. It was

2170
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:23,599
Speaker 2: across the fucking water. What do you think you see?

2171
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:26,599
Speaker 1: All Right, this discussion is probably better served after people

2172
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 1: watch the live show and they can get a feel

2173
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 1: for themselves if we've got something here. But you know,

2174
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 1: we did a receiving line afterwards. It was like when

2175
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 1: you get married and then you know, everyone out there

2176
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 1: comes one by one and they hug you and shout

2177
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:38,120
Speaker 1: out to our great fans. And there's some, you know,

2178
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 1: there's some, there's there's a weird there's a wide variety

2179
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:42,120
Speaker 1: of fans that we have, but I love them all,

2180
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:45,560
Speaker 1: Luke and this dysfunctional family dude. Everybody came up to

2181
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 1: us and was like, if you reproduce this in say,

2182
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, Ireland or wherever where the passion is just

2183
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:54,840
Speaker 1: as big. I mean, you guys could do this on

2184
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:57,679
Speaker 1: a regular basis, Luke. That takes a lot of ambition, money,

2185
01:39:57,720 --> 01:39:59,800
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I don't know what our future with

2186
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you this, that live show, from what

2187
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:06,040
Speaker 1: you and I were expecting, from the things that made

2188
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:08,680
Speaker 1: us nervous potentially about it turned out to be a

2189
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 1: ten out of ten. That's like, in that moment, we

2190
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:13,360
Speaker 1: gave the best show we possibly could. Shout out to

2191
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:15,559
Speaker 1: the venue, the team, our extended team, everything that made

2192
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:18,880
Speaker 1: it great, the fans, it made it great. I think

2193
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 1: we can do that bigger and better a lot more

2194
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:25,799
Speaker 1: times over. So can we pair that up with big events?

2195
01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 1: Is there going to be a budget for it? I

2196
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:29,519
Speaker 1: don't know those answers, Luke. All I can do is

2197
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:31,840
Speaker 1: sit in front of this camera and talking to this microphone.

2198
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:34,360
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you know all my crazy ideas, Luke,

2199
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:37,000
Speaker 1: they're unending. There's a lot of them, all right.

2200
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 2: You want to people want to go to there. People

2201
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 2: were telling us there we could take a show to

2202
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:42,960
Speaker 2: Dublin and do well. And I believe that, I really

2203
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 2: believe that you.

2204
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:46,559
Speaker 1: Want to go to Berlin with Sebastian Hackle, Luke, I'll

2205
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 1: go there with you. Okay. You want to go to

2206
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 1: uh Marietta, We'll call Russell and his wife down. I'll

2207
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:54,599
Speaker 1: go there with you, Okay. You want to do another

2208
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 1: MK live show. Look we can. We can stop doing

2209
01:40:57,400 --> 01:40:58,800
Speaker 1: this show three days a week and just make it

2210
01:40:58,800 --> 01:40:59,960
Speaker 1: a traveling circus if you want.

2211
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to do that, but I do

2212
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:05,400
Speaker 2: want to do more live shows, just not next in Germany.

2213
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:07,640
Speaker 1: How about Bangkok? You got any interest in that?

2214
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:10,799
Speaker 2: We got a lot of interest in Bangkok.

2215
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:15,560
Speaker 1: You're too gross pos Wow. Yeah, great timing, Gaff and

2216
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:18,000
Speaker 1: Long Island Luke, thank you for dropping that.

2217
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 2: That is it for DMSBC. It's time for U BCSPS.

2218
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't have much time at the airport es.

2219
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:27,280
Speaker 2: Vaping is for closers. I bought this. This is a

2220
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 2: true story. I bought this the morning after the I

2221
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:33,240
Speaker 2: hadn't had a vape in a while, but I bought

2222
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 2: this the morning after the live show BC. And I

2223
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 2: bought this in London, and and I'm addicted again. So

2224
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:42,639
Speaker 2: that's well.

2225
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:45,679
Speaker 1: I will say this the next morning after our live show,

2226
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:47,400
Speaker 1: or maybe it was later that night, I don't know.

2227
01:41:47,439 --> 01:41:50,280
Speaker 1: I was whenever I saw you for the Yeah, the

2228
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 1: next morning possibly or maybe later that night. I saw

2229
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 1: you for the first time in a while, and you

2230
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 1: were like, motherfucker, get over here, and you were like,

2231
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:01,519
Speaker 1: don't you dare say a fucking word about this, And

2232
01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 1: you held up your vape stick and you were like,

2233
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 1: vapings for closers, bitch, And I was like, you know what,

2234
01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:12,320
Speaker 1: that's pretty pretty, pretty brilliantly delivered. I can't really argue

2235
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 1: with that because the town where I come from, that's

2236
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:16,760
Speaker 1: the case. Luke, Okay, that is the case. So you know,

2237
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:18,400
Speaker 1: hopefully you can work your way out of this. But

2238
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:21,439
Speaker 1: take your victory lap because uh you deserve it, Luke,

2239
01:42:21,479 --> 01:42:23,559
Speaker 1: well done on that show. Thank you all right. I

2240
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:25,880
Speaker 1: scoured the globe, you know, the deo heis and lows good, bad,

2241
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:28,960
Speaker 1: ugly in between combat sports and beyond it is. Have

2242
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:36,439
Speaker 1: you seen the shit BC's feces? Baby, you know BC

2243
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:38,519
Speaker 1: had to take some. No, we shouldn't say that, Luke.

2244
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 1: But after that ten hour flight from London to Dallas student, yeah,

2245
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:44,360
Speaker 1: they know me now in that airport, I'll tell you

2246
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:44,680
Speaker 1: that much.

2247
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:44,920
Speaker 2: Luke.

2248
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 1: Okay, yep, you couldn't go on the plane. I'm not

2249
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:50,040
Speaker 1: going in that closet. What are you kidding me?

2250
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:52,920
Speaker 2: Look, I am holding that like they got bitter at me,

2251
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:54,920
Speaker 2: but I just did it anyway. I went to the

2252
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:57,200
Speaker 2: bathroom in first class and that you know, you know

2253
01:42:57,200 --> 01:42:58,680
Speaker 2: how they try to wall it off with like the

2254
01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:01,160
Speaker 2: I was just I just zipped it right open, and

2255
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm going to go in the big

2256
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:03,080
Speaker 2: old shitter.

2257
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 1: How do you in that commode? How do you do?

2258
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:07,360
Speaker 2: No? No, no? Do the first class bathroom? You can

2259
01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:09,759
Speaker 2: walk around like it's a it's a walk in closet,

2260
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 2: like it's I have.

2261
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:12,200
Speaker 1: Not seen this, what are you talking about? I have

2262
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:13,120
Speaker 1: not seen this first class?

2263
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:15,120
Speaker 2: So I took Virgin Who did you fly?

2264
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:17,840
Speaker 1: I flew American, well British on the way over America

2265
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:18,760
Speaker 1: on the way back, so I.

2266
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:21,439
Speaker 2: Flew Virgin Atlantic both ways, by the way, shots the

2267
01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:23,639
Speaker 2: Virgin Atlantic, great flight, by the way, great great planes.

2268
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:26,559
Speaker 2: But uh, if you get in, the left is all

2269
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 2: like once you walk into the on the on the

2270
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:31,960
Speaker 2: jetway or whatever. On the left is all the first

2271
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:34,479
Speaker 2: class like beds or whatever. And then there was premium

2272
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 2: then economy for the peasants in the back. Your boy

2273
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 2: had to pay out of his pocket to put himself

2274
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:40,519
Speaker 2: in premium, which I did. Uh, but I couldn't afford

2275
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:42,760
Speaker 2: first class. There's way too much money. But the first

2276
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:44,720
Speaker 2: class at the at the back of their cabin. You're

2277
01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:46,200
Speaker 2: not talking. You run in and you go right for yours,

2278
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:49,840
Speaker 2: left for first class. There's a little I should say,

2279
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 2: just to the left. There's a first class bathroom right there,

2280
01:43:53,320 --> 01:43:55,640
Speaker 2: and they forgot to close the thing fully, so I

2281
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:57,120
Speaker 2: kind of opened it the whole way and then I

2282
01:43:57,160 --> 01:44:00,240
Speaker 2: went into their first class bathroom. Dude, it was could

2283
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:01,640
Speaker 2: have fit four or five people in there. I mean,

2284
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:03,839
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe how big it was. It was shocking.

2285
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:04,840
Speaker 2: So I just used that one.

2286
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:07,400
Speaker 1: Did you have enough room to become a solo member

2287
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:08,479
Speaker 1: of the Mile High Club?

2288
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:11,840
Speaker 2: You mean? Did I? Did I rub one out in

2289
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:12,240
Speaker 2: the air?

2290
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:15,439
Speaker 1: Okay, we we don't want to get fired now, not

2291
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:16,679
Speaker 1: before we take it to Bangkok.

2292
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:21,240
Speaker 2: I just I just watched. I watched everything everywhere all

2293
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:22,880
Speaker 2: at once, and a couple of things was great.

2294
01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:25,679
Speaker 1: All right, great, look, let's start a UFC two eighty

2295
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 1: four from Perth. All right, did you see Tyson Pedro

2296
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:32,120
Speaker 1: kick my Lithuanian Brethren Modestus bucalcis right in the dong?

2297
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:36,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, right in the old Dude.

2298
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:39,280
Speaker 1: That's not even like fooling around, that's like I'm going

2299
01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:41,000
Speaker 1: to demand you right here.

2300
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's just this is how they perform. Well,

2301
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:47,440
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna say that castration.

2302
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:50,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the first step. All right, let's keep it going. Hey, Featherweight,

2303
01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:53,400
Speaker 1: how do you say this guy's name, Joshua Coulibao.

2304
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 2: Kulibao, I think, yeah.

2305
01:44:55,840 --> 01:45:00,000
Speaker 1: Cool abou. Oh you're right, I'll get to that one now.

2306
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 1: Sorry about that interruption. There, let's stay here. Featherweight. Joshua

2307
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:07,040
Speaker 1: Kolabao describes a ball game he used to play growing

2308
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:08,240
Speaker 1: up Looke. Let's see if you had the same.

2309
01:45:08,200 --> 01:45:11,719
Speaker 5: Upbring with the spitting wheel kick to the nuts. How

2310
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:12,800
Speaker 5: badly were you hurt?

2311
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:13,519
Speaker 4: Uh?

2312
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty bad.

2313
01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:15,519
Speaker 3: You know.

2314
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:17,200
Speaker 2: It's like one of those ones where you just got

2315
01:45:17,240 --> 01:45:19,360
Speaker 2: to sort of figure out if they're still there, you

2316
01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:19,800
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

2317
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:22,839
Speaker 5: Listen, you're allowed to take five minutes.

2318
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:25,240
Speaker 1: You only took two, and in between rounds.

2319
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:27,439
Speaker 2: You were saying to your corner that you couldn't breathed.

2320
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:30,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, like I say, like you've ever been you know,

2321
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:31,920
Speaker 3: you've been hitting the nuts before, and that it feels like,

2322
01:45:32,439 --> 01:45:32,680
Speaker 3: you know.

2323
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:34,120
Speaker 5: That's a game we play when we grow up, where

2324
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 5: you get smacking the nuts and he just sort of.

2325
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:37,160
Speaker 2: Feels like comes up.

2326
01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:40,160
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think we've all been there once or twice. Now,

2327
01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:42,800
Speaker 5: the second round started clearly a tough first round. Your

2328
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:44,320
Speaker 5: nose was busted up, a lot of blood.

2329
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 2: Second round, Luke, Yeah, we can call it here.

2330
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you have you played that game growing up?

2331
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:54,640
Speaker 2: We used to call it sack whack? You playing sackquack?

2332
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 1: Sack whack? What do you where did you grow up?

2333
01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:01,760
Speaker 2: Dude? Here's here's what we would Here's what we would do.

2334
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:04,559
Speaker 2: Saquack is not just you know, I'm gonna run up

2335
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:06,040
Speaker 2: and kick you in the balls as hard as I can.

2336
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:09,559
Speaker 2: It's like real subtle and shifty. So for example, we'd

2337
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:11,600
Speaker 2: be like, let's say we're just standing in line, like

2338
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:13,439
Speaker 2: I don't know, a fucking fast food restaurant or whatever,

2339
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 2: and the person's next to you, like out of nowhere,

2340
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:18,800
Speaker 2: you just go bah right into the ball sack and

2341
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 2: you hit them right there and then they drop. We

2342
01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:22,519
Speaker 2: used to do that shit all the time.

2343
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:24,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that wasn't a part of my upbringing. We tried

2344
01:46:24,680 --> 01:46:26,720
Speaker 1: to protect the jewels. But any good friend of mine

2345
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:29,360
Speaker 1: who's listening to this bogus, you know, at the A

2346
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 1: six two thousand and six, I went to a Pearl

2347
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:33,599
Speaker 1: Jam concert Luke on the Avocado Tour and it was

2348
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:36,400
Speaker 1: incredible and somebody accidentally hit me in the nuts and

2349
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:37,880
Speaker 1: then I spent the rest of the night punching all

2350
01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:39,519
Speaker 1: of my friends in the nuts as hard as I could.

2351
01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:42,000
Speaker 1: But that was very drunken in regrettable.

2352
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:46,080
Speaker 2: Okay, very very I don't regret saqquak.

2353
01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 1: That was the only saquack all right. I meant to

2354
01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 1: play this clip earlier, but let's throw it here. So

2355
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 1: they announced, you know, Jose, all those going into the

2356
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:54,040
Speaker 1: UFC Hall Fame this year, we already knew that. Saturday

2357
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 1: night they made the announcement that former lightweight champion the

2358
01:46:57,400 --> 01:46:59,680
Speaker 1: inaugural wan initially called Banham Waite of course for the

2359
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:03,400
Speaker 1: uf SEE, but just an all around veteran and one

2360
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:06,400
Speaker 1: of the greats. Jen's polver got the call. And you

2361
01:47:06,479 --> 01:47:08,719
Speaker 1: saw on the broadcast when they put in the corner

2362
01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:10,320
Speaker 1: of the screen what must have been what like a

2363
01:47:10,360 --> 01:47:13,120
Speaker 1: live twitch thing he was doing during the show. Let's

2364
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:16,000
Speaker 1: go to the actual audio of him finding out in

2365
01:47:16,040 --> 01:47:17,320
Speaker 1: the moment he's a Hall of Famer.

2366
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:21,679
Speaker 2: Wait who we're talking about now? Is all again?

2367
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:26,160
Speaker 1: Or shut the fuck up? Oh, shut the fuck up.

2368
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:26,519
Speaker 4: Are you?

2369
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:28,600
Speaker 6: Oh?

2370
01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:45,639
Speaker 1: Shut up? Are you serious? Let's go? H what?

2371
01:47:46,240 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 2: Wow?

2372
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:52,200
Speaker 6: No way, no way, no way?

2373
01:47:55,160 --> 01:48:07,000
Speaker 4: Oh my god, oh way, oh no way, no way,

2374
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:08,560
Speaker 4: no way.

2375
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:19,840
Speaker 6: Way.

2376
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you lied, You lied big time, You lied

2377
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:33,080
Speaker 1: big time. Oh man, are you serious? This is this

2378
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:38,559
Speaker 1: isn't real? Lost. Look, I want to say one thing

2379
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:42,280
Speaker 1: and I'll throw it to you. I apologize for the

2380
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:44,800
Speaker 1: times that I criticized the UFC Hall of Fame because this,

2381
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:47,720
Speaker 1: you know, the standard, the criteria can flow. There's no

2382
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:50,200
Speaker 1: physical building, you know, I get all that. I make Hey,

2383
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:53,559
Speaker 1: eleven and seven, Matt Sarah got in on the first ballot. Whatever.

2384
01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:56,639
Speaker 1: That that's how it should be. That moment right there,

2385
01:48:57,720 --> 01:48:58,760
Speaker 1: damn Jen's pull.

2386
01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 2: That was a great moment. I mean, there are the

2387
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:02,759
Speaker 2: criticisms of the UFC Hall of Fame. I don't think change.

2388
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:06,240
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the UFC just wants to run

2389
01:49:06,240 --> 01:49:08,479
Speaker 2: the entire industry and therefore have what it says is

2390
01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:12,519
Speaker 2: are are the best under its own under its own

2391
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:15,760
Speaker 2: view of things, and and I just feel like it'd

2392
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:17,920
Speaker 2: be better if there was something independent. But to be clear,

2393
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:20,120
Speaker 2: like just because it's the UFC side of things doesn't

2394
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:22,120
Speaker 2: mean there's not value to it. Right, And in the

2395
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:25,839
Speaker 2: case of giving Jens Pulver a place among his history

2396
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:28,840
Speaker 2: in the sport, a revered place in history, I think

2397
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 2: is very appropriate. I'm glad they did it, and folks

2398
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:35,439
Speaker 2: sleep on little evil man like first UFC lightweight champ.

2399
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:38,639
Speaker 2: He was part of that whole team out of Bettendorf, Iowa,

2400
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:40,639
Speaker 2: the Militant Fighting Systems. He was one of the early

2401
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:44,200
Speaker 2: guys out of there. It was just hell, they are

2402
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 2: they just you know, they were they were They were

2403
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:47,479
Speaker 2: animals out there and maybe not for their own benefit

2404
01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:49,400
Speaker 2: in certain ways long term for their health, but you know,

2405
01:49:49,400 --> 01:49:52,000
Speaker 2: he he managed to work through it, and you know,

2406
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:53,560
Speaker 2: he had some great wins as well. I had some

2407
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 2: big losses too. But I think what folks forget is,

2408
01:49:56,360 --> 01:49:58,599
Speaker 2: you know, Jen's Pulver wasn't just a pioneer in early

2409
01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 2: MMA for the latter weight classes. He eventually did time

2410
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:05,080
Speaker 2: in WEC and one of the real first big fights

2411
01:50:05,120 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 2: they did to build Faber's name was Favor Versus Pulver,

2412
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:12,160
Speaker 2: and they did a great job promoting that contest and

2413
01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:14,720
Speaker 2: that really helped the legend of Uriah Faber as well.

2414
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:17,519
Speaker 2: Everyone feels like, like, you know, Uriah Faber was in

2415
01:50:17,560 --> 01:50:19,280
Speaker 2: a big fight against Aldo and then lost, and he

2416
01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:20,760
Speaker 2: said some other big ones. When you think about some

2417
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:23,960
Speaker 2: of his bigger wins, maybe the first Cruise fight and

2418
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:26,559
Speaker 2: then certainly beating Jen's Pulver in terms of what made

2419
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:29,200
Speaker 2: his name, that was big. And of course I'm saying

2420
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:31,160
Speaker 2: I'm talking about a fight that Pulver lost, but I'm

2421
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:34,599
Speaker 2: trying to point out winning or losing. Here was a

2422
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:38,640
Speaker 2: guy that got the world to notice lighterweight fighting, and

2423
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:42,320
Speaker 2: he did it from UFC to WEC, even fought Tekenrigomi

2424
01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:44,880
Speaker 2: in Pride for a little while. Like he did a

2425
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:48,800
Speaker 2: lot of great things to make the lighterweight guys what

2426
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:53,000
Speaker 2: they are today. Absolutely deserved in the Hall of Fame,

2427
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:54,400
Speaker 2: zero question about it.

2428
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:56,599
Speaker 1: I'm glad you made that mention about when he when

2429
01:50:56,600 --> 01:50:58,360
Speaker 1: he made that late run in the WC, and you

2430
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:00,120
Speaker 1: know he wasn't the same guy, but it was like

2431
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:04,040
Speaker 1: he got to fight the rising the first batch in

2432
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:06,400
Speaker 1: a lot of ways of that next generation of smaller

2433
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:10,679
Speaker 1: weight class stars that became Faber, although Dominic, Cruz, It Cowboy,

2434
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:12,600
Speaker 1: all those guys that you know ended up in the

2435
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:15,280
Speaker 1: merge into the UFC. But when they showed that footage

2436
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:17,639
Speaker 1: in the highlight package after he was announced of when

2437
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:18,880
Speaker 1: he got on the microphone, I don't know if it

2438
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:20,760
Speaker 1: was after the first or second Pen fight, but he

2439
01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 1: got on the microphone and was like, you know, we

2440
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:26,040
Speaker 1: had a fight for this for like small weight classes

2441
01:51:26,040 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 1: to be a thing, you know what I mean, and

2442
01:51:27,400 --> 01:51:30,160
Speaker 1: like and we want we're hoping that this fight shows

2443
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:31,800
Speaker 1: you that. I mean to think about where it was

2444
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:33,920
Speaker 1: in MMA. At that point of the idea of.

2445
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:36,960
Speaker 2: US had gotten rid of their lightweight division after Pulver

2446
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:39,559
Speaker 2: had beaten Pen the first time they got they just

2447
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:41,760
Speaker 2: scrapped the whole fucking thing. So like, here was the

2448
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:43,240
Speaker 2: guy when they brought it back. He was on tough

2449
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:45,719
Speaker 2: five and like he had bj in that fight. Again,

2450
01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:49,000
Speaker 2: like this guy has been at the center of lighter

2451
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:52,880
Speaker 2: weight fighting from the word go, from the word.

2452
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:54,519
Speaker 1: Go and any of that. That what did you have

2453
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:56,479
Speaker 1: that knockout in under ten seconds? And to find out

2454
01:51:56,560 --> 01:51:58,519
Speaker 1: on that video package he was so injured coming in

2455
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:00,519
Speaker 1: and he took it anyway. I mean, just like you know,

2456
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:03,080
Speaker 1: the old wild West. But dude, he left his mark

2457
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:06,040
Speaker 1: in a pioneering way and that reaction is just like

2458
01:52:06,120 --> 01:52:07,800
Speaker 1: that's what it's about, man, you.

2459
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:10,160
Speaker 2: Know, good for him, glad for Jens Pulver to get

2460
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:10,840
Speaker 2: some recognition.

2461
01:52:11,080 --> 01:52:14,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely, let's take it back to Perth here, Luke, this

2462
01:52:14,280 --> 01:52:17,160
Speaker 1: was some of the pre fight promotional stuff. Did you

2463
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:18,479
Speaker 1: see Dominict Cruz hug this?

2464
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:19,160
Speaker 2: What is this?

2465
01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:20,360
Speaker 1: A wala be? A sloth?

2466
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:20,439
Speaker 2: What?

2467
01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:22,160
Speaker 1: What the hell do you call this? Australian beast?

2468
01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:22,280
Speaker 2: Here?

2469
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:25,559
Speaker 1: This was a kal koala bear. I'm sorry, look, I'm

2470
01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:26,479
Speaker 1: down on my animals here.

2471
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:28,559
Speaker 2: Do you know about koalas? A buddy of mine who

2472
01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:31,920
Speaker 2: was Australian told me this. He said that koala bears

2473
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:34,240
Speaker 2: almost all of them have like a really bad case

2474
01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:40,240
Speaker 2: of chlamydia and like which like I'm not sure, so

2475
01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:43,280
Speaker 2: they're all diseased. But the other part is like they're

2476
01:52:43,439 --> 01:52:46,240
Speaker 2: they're eating eucalyptus and like all day long. And I'm

2477
01:52:46,360 --> 01:52:51,320
Speaker 2: apparently that did How did he explain this? That between

2478
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:54,160
Speaker 2: the disease and how they eat, it slows everything down

2479
01:52:54,280 --> 01:52:56,680
Speaker 2: in their in their body and that's why they're like

2480
01:52:56,720 --> 01:53:00,000
Speaker 2: halfway drugged and moving slow all the time. It's apparently

2481
01:53:00,439 --> 01:53:02,679
Speaker 2: I'm fucking the story up. Actually I probably should have kept.

2482
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 1: Wait, So they have STDs, they're drugged and they move slowly.

2483
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:06,479
Speaker 3: That.

2484
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:09,160
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, as you know, I'll ask him what he what

2485
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:11,679
Speaker 2: it was about them. But there's something about them, either

2486
01:53:11,720 --> 01:53:13,920
Speaker 2: through the chlamydia or the way that they eat and

2487
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:16,639
Speaker 2: what they eat that that makes them just high all day.

2488
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:19,000
Speaker 1: They're just fucking I was gonna say you up to

2489
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:20,720
Speaker 1: that point, you've made a sad description of most of

2490
01:53:20,760 --> 01:53:22,559
Speaker 1: our fan base. I think you're still going with it, Luke,

2491
01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:24,960
Speaker 1: but shout out to them. Look quickly on the point

2492
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,240
Speaker 1: I made. Here's my updated what I think is the

2493
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:30,320
Speaker 1: best UFC pay per view team. I actually think Annik

2494
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:34,880
Speaker 1: Cruz DC gives you everything you're looking for at this moment, Luke,

2495
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:37,559
Speaker 1: what is your what is your best three that they

2496
01:53:37,600 --> 01:53:38,040
Speaker 1: can offer?

2497
01:53:38,439 --> 01:53:46,479
Speaker 2: Annik Felder And honestly, I'm gonna say Sancho. People are

2498
01:53:46,479 --> 01:53:47,800
Speaker 2: gonna think that's a blasphemy, but.

2499
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:49,200
Speaker 1: You have said that before.

2500
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:52,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, she does more homework than it looks like her

2501
01:53:52,520 --> 01:53:56,120
Speaker 2: male competitors or her colleagues combined, so it shows when

2502
01:53:56,160 --> 01:53:56,599
Speaker 2: she talks.

2503
01:53:57,040 --> 01:54:00,320
Speaker 1: I just think you still need one personality. And I

2504
01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:04,040
Speaker 1: think whether we're talking DC Rogan sometimes bisping, although he

2505
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:07,000
Speaker 1: can do breakdown Zambia personality, I just still think DC

2506
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:09,960
Speaker 1: when not paired with Rogan where it becomes too much

2507
01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:11,680
Speaker 1: of a watch along is still the guy, Luke. But

2508
01:54:11,720 --> 01:54:13,679
Speaker 1: that's my general opinion, not yours. That's fine.

2509
01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, great.

2510
01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:18,240
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, let's keep it going here, Luke. Did

2511
01:54:18,280 --> 01:54:20,679
Speaker 1: you see featherweight Shane Young. He went all Gene Simmons

2512
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:23,519
Speaker 1: liked during the weigh in opposite Blake Builder.

2513
01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:25,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2514
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:27,599
Speaker 1: Where do you think that tongue has been? Look at that?

2515
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:29,719
Speaker 2: I think that's malory shit, man.

2516
01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:33,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's intense as shit right there. Wow, Shane Young.

2517
01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:35,040
Speaker 1: He didn't win the fight, Luke, but he did win

2518
01:54:35,080 --> 01:54:38,040
Speaker 1: the faceoff. Let's keep it going a lot of celebrities

2519
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:43,360
Speaker 1: in attendance at Perth, including Robert Whittaker, the Chad Smith,

2520
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:45,720
Speaker 1: the drummer of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and also

2521
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:51,160
Speaker 1: these two prime spokesman Logan paul KSI look at them

2522
01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:58,320
Speaker 1: reacting to Volkanovsky's fifth round rally, Luke, they look well hydrated.

2523
01:54:59,320 --> 01:54:59,840
Speaker 2: From drinking.

2524
01:55:00,160 --> 01:55:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, there you go. All right, we'll keep that going.

2525
01:55:05,080 --> 01:55:07,400
Speaker 1: Let's keep it going here. On the flyweight division, did

2526
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:11,360
Speaker 1: you see Claydson Rodriguez at this first round finish? If

2527
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:15,320
Speaker 1: Shannon Ross earlier? Yeah, probably dude, if he would have

2528
01:55:15,320 --> 01:55:18,120
Speaker 1: connected with that spinning shit, you see him, he hit

2529
01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:19,600
Speaker 1: him with a spinning ass.

2530
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:22,120
Speaker 2: Did you see that he did hit him with a

2531
01:55:22,120 --> 01:55:23,800
Speaker 2: spinning hamstring? Yeah, I did see that.

2532
01:55:24,280 --> 01:55:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a spinning ass crack. That's an

2533
01:55:26,200 --> 01:55:27,760
Speaker 1: interesting move. If he would have hit that kick, though,

2534
01:55:27,800 --> 01:55:28,640
Speaker 1: the fight would have been over.

2535
01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:31,880
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, this this dude got overwhelmed.

2536
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:34,480
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that guy's a pocket rocket right there.

2537
01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:37,160
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Let's go to one of my favorite fighters,

2538
01:55:37,240 --> 01:55:38,480
Speaker 1: Luke Lomo, Luke Bummi.

2539
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:41,840
Speaker 2: You know she'sn Thailand, Thailand's own.

2540
01:55:42,200 --> 01:55:44,440
Speaker 1: She's known as a striker. But look at her. Get

2541
01:55:44,440 --> 01:55:46,840
Speaker 1: this submission went over at least read in the second round.

2542
01:55:46,840 --> 01:55:49,080
Speaker 1: And look at the celebration that so I'm talking about.

2543
01:55:49,400 --> 01:55:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's out. She's with the Hickman Brothers out of

2544
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:52,240
Speaker 2: BEng Tao Mma.

2545
01:55:53,800 --> 01:55:55,360
Speaker 1: Danny Rude product as well.

2546
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:57,480
Speaker 2: Danny Rube Product. That's right. Shout to Danny Rube one

2547
01:55:57,520 --> 01:55:58,680
Speaker 2: of the good managers in the sport.

2548
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:01,240
Speaker 1: Yep, Danny Rubenstein. And I'm sorry about that hairline joke

2549
01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:03,200
Speaker 1: I made one time former wrestler at Oklahoma, Luke.

2550
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:04,800
Speaker 2: Remember, I'll let you know about it too.

2551
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:06,880
Speaker 1: He'll let you know about that too. All right, Hey,

2552
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:10,000
Speaker 1: how about some wholesome shit from Yayi Rodriguez and his family.

2553
01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:13,240
Speaker 1: This was the pre fight blessing he received from his

2554
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:17,120
Speaker 1: mother cage side before entering, and they just it was profound. Luke.

2555
01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is reminds me of my wife putting Tukey

2556
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:23,120
Speaker 2: to bed with the amount of crosses that she gives

2557
01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:25,240
Speaker 2: to Tuki before she got like that. See like that.

2558
01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:28,680
Speaker 2: My wife does that to Tuki all the time. They

2559
01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:30,720
Speaker 2: do like a prayer every night, and it's it's long

2560
01:56:30,720 --> 01:56:32,920
Speaker 2: and complicated. The whole thing's in Spanish, you know. It's

2561
01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:33,200
Speaker 2: the thing.

2562
01:56:33,240 --> 01:56:39,240
Speaker 1: What's that Colombian toast we always do like abariba vederche.

2563
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:42,760
Speaker 2: El santro up down inside back.

2564
01:56:43,120 --> 01:56:45,120
Speaker 1: Love it, Love it well, Luke, you know, yeah, got

2565
01:56:45,160 --> 01:56:48,920
Speaker 1: a big win. Here's the celebration between son, mom and

2566
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:50,720
Speaker 1: Pops afterwards. Again it touched me.

2567
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:55,280
Speaker 2: Look at dad, bro Look at dad, Look at dad.

2568
01:56:55,640 --> 01:56:56,880
Speaker 1: Look at that gaucho, Luke.

2569
01:56:57,080 --> 01:56:59,760
Speaker 2: Right, Wow, he's not Gaucho. He's Mexican.

2570
01:57:00,280 --> 01:57:02,480
Speaker 1: Oh so that's not so? Is that not a universal

2571
01:57:02,480 --> 01:57:04,400
Speaker 1: cowboy name? It's only Argentinians.

2572
01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:06,840
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it's only our again, Let me be

2573
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:09,000
Speaker 2: very clear. I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I'm

2574
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:11,520
Speaker 2: pretty sure the gaucho is specifically Argentinian.

2575
01:57:12,120 --> 01:57:15,280
Speaker 1: Mister Rodriguez, your son is now a world champion. I

2576
01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:18,640
Speaker 1: love that moment right there. All right, yeah, you're also Luke. Initially,

2577
01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:21,120
Speaker 1: after land in that triangle on Josh, Emma, did you

2578
01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:23,760
Speaker 1: see him, he was almost like counseling Josh not to

2579
01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:31,320
Speaker 1: be upset with the defeat. This was classy. He didn't

2580
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:32,280
Speaker 1: want Josh's hard to.

2581
01:57:32,200 --> 01:57:34,080
Speaker 2: Be Actually never noticed this. I guess I was too

2582
01:57:34,120 --> 01:57:35,200
Speaker 2: busy tweeting at the time.

2583
01:57:35,880 --> 01:57:38,440
Speaker 1: It's working too, dude, Dude, that's that's class. He was

2584
01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:40,560
Speaker 1: almost like he wanted Josh not to be upset, to

2585
01:57:40,640 --> 01:57:42,680
Speaker 1: know that he's he's championship worthy.

2586
01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:47,240
Speaker 2: I like that, all right, yeah, all right, Well it

2587
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:49,480
Speaker 2: was such a big win, all class.

2588
01:57:49,320 --> 01:57:53,280
Speaker 1: That Reel went on to recognize Reel as Islam Mahachev

2589
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:56,640
Speaker 1: crashed Yai Year's post fight interview. Could you imagine a

2590
01:57:56,640 --> 01:57:57,840
Speaker 1: fight between these two one day?

2591
01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:01,800
Speaker 2: No any with Yair with somebody who's in a reasonably

2592
01:58:01,840 --> 01:58:03,920
Speaker 2: close weight class. That's a tough ass fight, you know.

2593
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:06,680
Speaker 1: Damn right. Good to see that. Hey, let's go to

2594
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:09,600
Speaker 1: San Antonio for some show time boxing. You mentioned heavyweight

2595
01:58:09,720 --> 01:58:13,120
Speaker 1: Lennier Pero from Cuba. Look, he was losing this fight

2596
01:58:13,120 --> 01:58:16,880
Speaker 1: against Victor Faust, and the big part of that was

2597
01:58:16,920 --> 01:58:18,960
Speaker 1: that left hook there to end round three.

2598
01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:20,920
Speaker 2: Dude, but you're gonna show are you gonna show the

2599
01:58:20,920 --> 01:58:21,440
Speaker 2: stoppage here?

2600
01:58:21,440 --> 01:58:24,000
Speaker 1: The stoppage is so I will, yes, I will. But

2601
01:58:24,040 --> 01:58:26,240
Speaker 1: look at the way the head bounced on that one, damn.

2602
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:28,840
Speaker 2: And by the way, I could never get a right

2603
01:58:28,920 --> 01:58:31,600
Speaker 2: pronunciation on his name. Is it Lennier or Lanier or

2604
01:58:32,200 --> 01:58:36,560
Speaker 2: Lennier by the way, day neer.

2605
01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:39,720
Speaker 1: I don't know the brother's pronunciation, the brother that you

2606
01:58:39,800 --> 01:58:42,560
Speaker 1: call the fight Luke had beaten Victor Faust and the amateurs,

2607
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:44,160
Speaker 1: and Geno Faust was the guy who was in that

2608
01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:47,240
Speaker 1: war with Calazzi where they were down like five times.

2609
01:58:47,880 --> 01:58:49,360
Speaker 2: No, that's him, I didn't.

2610
01:58:49,480 --> 01:58:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's him, And so he was winning this fight.

2611
01:58:52,440 --> 01:58:55,320
Speaker 1: He was hurting Pero. Let's fast forward to round eight.

2612
01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:56,800
Speaker 1: Kind of a bizarre finish here.

2613
01:59:01,320 --> 01:59:06,240
Speaker 2: So he jabs him up body shot and watch watch

2614
01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:09,240
Speaker 2: Victor He's like, yeah, fuck this, I'm done. He can't move.

2615
01:59:09,600 --> 01:59:11,320
Speaker 2: So it looked to me he took a right to

2616
01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:15,600
Speaker 2: the ribs and just couldn't. He couldn't. He didn't collapse BC,

2617
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:19,360
Speaker 2: but he couldn't move. Everything was shut right there at

2618
01:59:19,640 --> 01:59:20,880
Speaker 2: Do we have another angle of it?

2619
01:59:21,880 --> 01:59:23,640
Speaker 1: I don't think we do, although if we did, that

2620
01:59:23,680 --> 01:59:25,880
Speaker 1: would be shot by Matt Ryle Luke, so it could

2621
01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:27,760
Speaker 1: be a shaky angle you more time.

2622
01:59:27,800 --> 01:59:30,200
Speaker 2: It looks like he just quits or just stops boxing.

2623
01:59:30,240 --> 01:59:32,480
Speaker 2: But when they showed the replay, he gets hit in

2624
01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:35,120
Speaker 2: the ribs and it sent a shockwave through him. Let's

2625
01:59:35,120 --> 01:59:37,520
Speaker 2: watch it one more time here, watch watch the ribs

2626
01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:40,440
Speaker 2: of right there, right there, that left that left hand

2627
01:59:40,520 --> 01:59:41,960
Speaker 2: or what it was, the right hand to the ribs.

2628
01:59:42,200 --> 01:59:45,040
Speaker 2: He just stops moving. He can't, he can't move anymore.

2629
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:46,200
Speaker 2: That's how hard that punch was.

2630
01:59:46,520 --> 01:59:49,280
Speaker 1: Now that referee Rafael Ramos, they did not the commission

2631
01:59:49,320 --> 01:59:52,040
Speaker 1: would not allow me to interview afterwards. Luckily, you know

2632
01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:53,880
Speaker 1: he got it right in the end. But just so

2633
01:59:53,920 --> 01:59:56,320
Speaker 1: you know, under boxing rules, when Faust turned his back

2634
01:59:56,400 --> 01:59:58,960
Speaker 1: almost completely to the action, that's kind of where you

2635
01:59:58,960 --> 02:00:01,240
Speaker 1: should just wave off the fight. That's the tailtale sign

2636
02:00:01,280 --> 02:00:04,760
Speaker 1: that they're not defending themselves. Now, Pero landed two shots.

2637
02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:07,440
Speaker 1: Luckily they didn't knock them cold or anything but interesting

2638
02:00:07,480 --> 02:00:09,720
Speaker 1: finish right there, Luke, let's go to the undercard with

2639
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:13,440
Speaker 1: you on the call. Here's Claudio Morrero scoring a vicious

2640
02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:15,879
Speaker 1: body shot to score the knockdown over this guy. Tell

2641
02:00:15,880 --> 02:00:16,320
Speaker 1: me about this.

2642
02:00:17,680 --> 02:00:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god. So there's that left to the body.

2643
02:00:22,480 --> 02:00:25,440
Speaker 2: He was obviously it's a South Paul versus Orthodox, and

2644
02:00:25,560 --> 02:00:28,400
Speaker 2: he was going to the body every time he was waiting.

2645
02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:31,280
Speaker 2: Look at him switching sides here he was waiting for

2646
02:00:31,480 --> 02:00:34,200
Speaker 2: basically he basically he kept taking angles on I think

2647
02:00:34,240 --> 02:00:37,280
Speaker 2: this was what fuen z Alida out of Chile memory serves.

2648
02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:39,840
Speaker 2: Fwenz Alida takes a knee here, But you can just

2649
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:43,560
Speaker 2: watch Claudio Mareto out of Dominican Republic taking angles on

2650
02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:46,800
Speaker 2: him constantly, then getting fuens Alida to open up and

2651
02:00:46,840 --> 02:00:49,120
Speaker 2: then just punishing it right there. He gets him to

2652
02:00:49,160 --> 02:00:51,160
Speaker 2: open up with that right hand and then just drives

2653
02:00:51,200 --> 02:00:54,880
Speaker 2: it underneath the elbow. Just took him a few rounds

2654
02:00:54,880 --> 02:00:56,600
Speaker 2: to get going. Be see, he actually ate some punches

2655
02:00:56,640 --> 02:00:58,960
Speaker 2: along the way, but once he started cooking. Look at

2656
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:01,280
Speaker 2: this and Friendza that was trying to be a pressure

2657
02:01:01,320 --> 02:01:04,240
Speaker 2: guy and was just running into punches over and over

2658
02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:05,080
Speaker 2: and over again.

2659
02:01:05,160 --> 02:01:08,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Marrero, former champion. He bounced back here nicely, Luke

2660
02:01:08,440 --> 02:01:11,360
Speaker 1: Thomas on the call. And finally, Luke, here's just a

2661
02:01:11,400 --> 02:01:15,000
Speaker 1: little highlight of Oshaki Foster turning defense into offense against

2662
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:18,120
Speaker 1: Ray Vargas. That in that very strong performance to win

2663
02:01:18,160 --> 02:01:18,760
Speaker 1: a world title.

2664
02:01:19,240 --> 02:01:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he does the Philly shell, kind of rolls with it,

2665
02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:25,760
Speaker 2: uppercut to the ribs, fleft hook. Love it.

2666
02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:28,600
Speaker 1: I mean he keeps such a close range and doesn't

2667
02:01:28,600 --> 02:01:30,320
Speaker 1: and isn't made to pay for it in this fight.

2668
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean, very slick fighter, very very well done there.

2669
02:01:33,680 --> 02:01:35,960
Speaker 1: All right. You know who had a boxing debut this weekend,

2670
02:01:36,040 --> 02:01:38,760
Speaker 1: Luke on UFC Fight Pass. It was Jose Aldo and

2671
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:42,840
Speaker 1: he took home a sixth round unanimous decision over Alberto Zambrano.

2672
02:01:43,200 --> 02:01:45,240
Speaker 1: Here's a little bit of the highlights of your thoughts.

2673
02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:50,800
Speaker 2: I hadn't seen this. That's a nice right hand. But

2674
02:01:50,920 --> 02:01:53,080
Speaker 2: you know he's fighting who I mean, who's this guy

2675
02:01:53,120 --> 02:01:54,440
Speaker 2: he's fighting? I don't know.

2676
02:01:54,480 --> 02:01:57,560
Speaker 1: But did you hear the rumors that Flood Mayweather might

2677
02:01:57,800 --> 02:02:01,280
Speaker 1: be interested in a real like real exhibition. I guess

2678
02:02:01,280 --> 02:02:02,920
Speaker 1: you can call it, no, sorry, a real boxing fight

2679
02:02:02,920 --> 02:02:04,520
Speaker 1: against Josie Alta, not an exhibition.

2680
02:02:04,600 --> 02:02:07,440
Speaker 2: He can get paid. I don't really care. I mean

2681
02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:08,240
Speaker 2: that's good for him.

2682
02:02:08,200 --> 02:02:10,040
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, that's true.

2683
02:02:10,080 --> 02:02:10,480
Speaker 2: All right.

2684
02:02:10,720 --> 02:02:12,200
Speaker 1: Hey, remember when Anthony is.

2685
02:02:12,160 --> 02:02:14,560
Speaker 2: He can and then he can have he can have

2686
02:02:14,640 --> 02:02:17,720
Speaker 2: disgraced South American politicians stay in his Orlando home some more.

2687
02:02:17,880 --> 02:02:20,640
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't he, Luke, Remember Anthony Smith shared his love

2688
02:02:20,680 --> 02:02:22,360
Speaker 1: for the Slap League over the Internet and everybody got

2689
02:02:22,400 --> 02:02:24,120
Speaker 1: mad at him, even though he's a friend of the program.

2690
02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:27,840
Speaker 1: Nate Diaz took exception to this many days later. But

2691
02:02:27,880 --> 02:02:32,680
Speaker 1: here's the tweet. I mean, that's not fair, that's I mean,

2692
02:02:32,720 --> 02:02:35,240
Speaker 1: come on, Nate, right, okay, man, all right.

2693
02:02:35,080 --> 02:02:38,240
Speaker 2: Well you know what Nate is. Uh, I don't agree.

2694
02:02:38,680 --> 02:02:42,840
Speaker 2: I don't agree, but that's you know, it's MMA, dude.

2695
02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:44,200
Speaker 2: People say crazy ass shit.

2696
02:02:44,720 --> 02:02:47,000
Speaker 1: A lot of journalists made the trip Oscar Willis was

2697
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:49,160
Speaker 1: one of them. Luke to Perth and hear how he

2698
02:02:49,160 --> 02:02:51,600
Speaker 1: Here's how he caught the girth of Bruce Buffer warming

2699
02:02:51,640 --> 02:02:54,360
Speaker 1: up in Perth. This is how Bruce gets loose for

2700
02:02:54,480 --> 02:02:55,480
Speaker 1: the big time calls.

2701
02:02:55,560 --> 02:02:57,960
Speaker 2: Luke, your thoughts, this is actually how I urinate at

2702
02:02:57,960 --> 02:02:58,879
Speaker 2: standing urinals.

2703
02:03:02,320 --> 02:03:05,320
Speaker 1: Ah well, these weren't the only stars of MMA this week.

2704
02:03:05,360 --> 02:03:07,760
Speaker 1: I know, Volkanovsky had a big fight against Mahachev. But

2705
02:03:07,800 --> 02:03:10,480
Speaker 1: did you see that sparring match in the metaverse between

2706
02:03:10,520 --> 02:03:14,080
Speaker 1: at Zuck and Volkanowski? Luke, did you see this bullshit?

2707
02:03:14,160 --> 02:03:15,560
Speaker 2: I mean, who could give a shit less?

2708
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:18,520
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, tell me this does underberg.

2709
02:03:18,640 --> 02:03:23,080
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit who what famous person you

2710
02:03:23,160 --> 02:03:26,560
Speaker 2: pay to be near you? You're not cool. I just

2711
02:03:26,600 --> 02:03:27,920
Speaker 2: want to be very clear about that.

2712
02:03:28,280 --> 02:03:31,600
Speaker 1: Dude. This has huge Jon DuPont vibes. And I hate

2713
02:03:31,600 --> 02:03:34,160
Speaker 1: saying that out loud because it's it's gnarly, but you

2714
02:03:34,200 --> 02:03:36,640
Speaker 1: know it's dark. But this is like Fox Catcher all

2715
02:03:36,640 --> 02:03:37,720
Speaker 1: over again, right, Luke.

2716
02:03:37,680 --> 02:03:39,600
Speaker 2: I don't know about it's Fox Catcher, but it's like

2717
02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:44,560
Speaker 2: this dork who you know, just I mean, and it's

2718
02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:47,600
Speaker 2: nothing to say nothing of the evils that Facebook has

2719
02:03:47,640 --> 02:03:50,240
Speaker 2: done to the world, just putting that aside. It's just

2720
02:03:50,280 --> 02:03:53,760
Speaker 2: a rich nerd who is using whatever his power to

2721
02:03:54,040 --> 02:03:56,760
Speaker 2: otherwise escape would be his you know future. Yo.

2722
02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:58,720
Speaker 1: Look at that kip up from at Zuck though, that

2723
02:03:58,760 --> 02:03:59,879
Speaker 1: was that was pretty cool.

2724
02:03:59,720 --> 02:04:00,680
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's great.

2725
02:04:01,640 --> 02:04:03,320
Speaker 1: Did you see chaw three tweet out him and be

2726
02:04:03,320 --> 02:04:05,760
Speaker 1: like we should we should spar together and filliping?

2727
02:04:07,320 --> 02:04:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, the thirstiness of people. It doesn't matter. It's like, Hey,

2728
02:04:13,160 --> 02:04:16,160
Speaker 2: this guy is wanted by the law and name some

2729
02:04:16,240 --> 02:04:20,960
Speaker 2: country for putting orphans in an orphan grinder machine. But

2730
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:23,440
Speaker 2: he drives a Bugatti and you know he lives on

2731
02:04:23,480 --> 02:04:26,160
Speaker 2: a yacht. Anyone in MMA will try to be friends

2732
02:04:26,160 --> 02:04:28,080
Speaker 2: with him. It's like, yeah, but he puts orphans in

2733
02:04:28,120 --> 02:04:30,760
Speaker 2: the orphan grinding machine. And you're like, yeah, but he's

2734
02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:32,440
Speaker 2: real rich and powerful, so we're just gonna be.

2735
02:04:32,440 --> 02:04:34,400
Speaker 1: First of all, that sounds like the name of the

2736
02:04:34,440 --> 02:04:37,000
Speaker 1: newest Cannibal Corpse album. And second of all, that wasn't

2737
02:04:37,080 --> 02:04:38,840
Speaker 1: Zuck you were saying. But I get your point, Ad

2738
02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:41,280
Speaker 1: Zuck is you know he does have access to your

2739
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:43,120
Speaker 1: emails and dms. I'm sure, Luke, Okay, So.

2740
02:04:43,200 --> 02:04:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't think I'm much of a

2741
02:04:44,560 --> 02:04:47,800
Speaker 2: threat to his Zuckerberg. But you know everyone in MMA

2742
02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:50,840
Speaker 2: deciding that, dude. The problem is they just lecture you

2743
02:04:50,920 --> 02:04:53,280
Speaker 2: all the time about how the tech big tech is

2744
02:04:53,320 --> 02:04:55,600
Speaker 2: coming to get you, and then this guy is walking

2745
02:04:55,680 --> 02:04:57,800
Speaker 2: big tech and then all of a sudden we're supposed

2746
02:04:57,800 --> 02:05:00,080
Speaker 2: to be friends with him. Make up your minds, people, well,

2747
02:05:00,360 --> 02:05:02,960
Speaker 2: either big tech is a problem or it's not tell your.

2748
02:05:02,840 --> 02:05:04,400
Speaker 1: Boy, Volk, what are you doing, bro? You've got to

2749
02:05:04,400 --> 02:05:05,160
Speaker 1: fight to prepare for it.

2750
02:05:05,160 --> 02:05:07,520
Speaker 2: Don't be rolling exactly what are you playing? Grab ass

2751
02:05:07,520 --> 02:05:08,600
Speaker 2: with this fucking nerd for.

2752
02:05:08,680 --> 02:05:11,080
Speaker 1: Ah in the park. That's unbelievable. All right, let's let's

2753
02:05:11,120 --> 02:05:13,280
Speaker 1: rate that tat Luke. Some people love their dogs so much.

2754
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:14,880
Speaker 1: And now I get it. I'm you know, I'm five

2755
02:05:14,920 --> 02:05:17,040
Speaker 1: years into being a first time dog owner. I get it.

2756
02:05:17,240 --> 02:05:18,200
Speaker 1: How about this, Luke?

2757
02:05:19,120 --> 02:05:23,839
Speaker 2: Uh, that is extremely well done. Yeah, that's a superb tattoo.

2758
02:05:23,880 --> 02:05:27,240
Speaker 2: Now again, you can take issue with the uh, like

2759
02:05:27,280 --> 02:05:29,880
Speaker 2: would you want this material on your arm? And does

2760
02:05:29,920 --> 02:05:33,280
Speaker 2: it make a coherent hole? But in terms of the

2761
02:05:33,320 --> 02:05:36,240
Speaker 2: technical application, tattooing doesn't come much better. That's it.

2762
02:05:36,240 --> 02:05:39,560
Speaker 1: It took me a long time to understand the technical application.

2763
02:05:39,640 --> 02:05:42,200
Speaker 1: I think you've done a decent job explaining that outside

2764
02:05:42,240 --> 02:05:45,280
Speaker 1: of your just blatant disrespect for mister Hebos's heart. But

2765
02:05:45,640 --> 02:05:47,000
Speaker 1: this is very good and I don't.

2766
02:05:46,840 --> 02:05:48,320
Speaker 2: Think I was a little weird that he goes from

2767
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:54,080
Speaker 2: like Egyptian heiroglyphics to like Japanese like almost showgun imagery

2768
02:05:54,240 --> 02:05:56,400
Speaker 2: or with the Hanya mask there. That's a little strange.

2769
02:05:56,440 --> 02:05:59,280
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of a confused mixture, but it

2770
02:05:59,360 --> 02:06:01,080
Speaker 2: is a well done Yeah.

2771
02:06:01,120 --> 02:06:03,760
Speaker 1: Well indeed. All right, Hey, there's a new dinner toast, Luke,

2772
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:10,240
Speaker 1: instead of the Ariba bahaha ha fish I have incorporated.

2773
02:06:10,520 --> 02:06:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a deep.

2774
02:06:13,880 --> 02:06:17,280
Speaker 1: Would you consider dropping the Columbian one and adding this

2775
02:06:17,320 --> 02:06:18,400
Speaker 1: one to our repertoire on.

2776
02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:32,440
Speaker 2: The road, No, I don't. I don't. People just shove

2777
02:06:32,440 --> 02:06:33,280
Speaker 2: ship in your hands.

2778
02:06:33,640 --> 02:06:34,520
Speaker 1: I guess that's a joke.

2779
02:06:34,520 --> 02:06:34,840
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2780
02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:36,360
Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of cool. But we got

2781
02:06:36,440 --> 02:06:39,960
Speaker 1: enough random fails to keep this going. Here, Luca, let's

2782
02:06:39,960 --> 02:06:41,960
Speaker 1: go to Costco here. Maybe this fail will bring you

2783
02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:42,960
Speaker 1: back in on this segment.

2784
02:06:44,840 --> 02:06:47,640
Speaker 2: Try taking my boyfriend grocery shopping and this happened. Yeah,

2785
02:06:47,680 --> 02:06:49,160
Speaker 2: well don't dude.

2786
02:06:49,480 --> 02:06:51,400
Speaker 1: First of all, you're dating Logan Paul, so that's why.

2787
02:06:51,520 --> 02:06:53,760
Speaker 2: First of all you spread your legs for this guy. Wow.

2788
02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:56,720
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, that's that's that's all right. Hey, let's go

2789
02:06:56,760 --> 02:06:59,080
Speaker 1: to the park Core course. All right. I don't know

2790
02:06:59,080 --> 02:07:01,040
Speaker 1: if fact I should be doing parkour, Luke, what do

2791
02:07:01,040 --> 02:07:01,360
Speaker 1: you think?

2792
02:07:04,920 --> 02:07:08,680
Speaker 2: Okay, Tefty, we got to make some calls here.

2793
02:07:08,960 --> 02:07:11,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Now, I'm not one.

2794
02:07:11,120 --> 02:07:12,840
Speaker 2: To make a big claim about what you should and

2795
02:07:12,880 --> 02:07:15,920
Speaker 2: shouldn't eat. But if you are gonna eat those things,

2796
02:07:16,240 --> 02:07:19,200
Speaker 2: maybe pile driving yourself into fucking cement is not the

2797
02:07:19,200 --> 02:07:19,839
Speaker 2: best idea.

2798
02:07:20,600 --> 02:07:22,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we got more fails. Let's bring this

2799
02:07:22,760 --> 02:07:23,839
Speaker 1: thing home here, Luke.

2800
02:07:24,520 --> 02:07:25,520
Speaker 2: That was a double one award.

2801
02:07:25,560 --> 02:07:29,800
Speaker 1: Almost you ever tried doing like you know, TikTok trends

2802
02:07:29,960 --> 02:07:36,640
Speaker 1: with your wife, Luke? No, oh, all right, well this

2803
02:07:36,680 --> 02:07:37,520
Speaker 1: couple did.

2804
02:07:37,800 --> 02:07:40,640
Speaker 2: She's gonna go head face first, isn't she? Yep, you

2805
02:07:40,760 --> 02:07:43,000
Speaker 2: fucking dumbass yup, take all take it. Take a hell

2806
02:07:43,080 --> 02:07:46,920
Speaker 2: there too, you fucking idiot. All right, Hey, hey guys,

2807
02:07:47,000 --> 02:07:48,840
Speaker 2: we're gonna be We're gonna have fun on TikTok. Yeah,

2808
02:07:48,920 --> 02:07:51,440
Speaker 2: keep ruining your landlord's fucking furniture morons.

2809
02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:54,280
Speaker 1: All right, there you go. Hey, as a son of

2810
02:07:54,320 --> 02:07:56,520
Speaker 1: a landlord, you're allowed to say that. Shout out to

2811
02:07:56,520 --> 02:07:58,960
Speaker 1: that Las Vegas property, Luke. You know what what always

2812
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:01,440
Speaker 1: wins on this show, old and punch machines. They canbine

2813
02:08:01,480 --> 02:08:02,240
Speaker 1: for greatness, you.

2814
02:08:02,160 --> 02:08:04,400
Speaker 2: Know, okay's he gonna throw his shoulder out? What's he

2815
02:08:04,440 --> 02:08:07,080
Speaker 2: gonna do here? Yep? Look at this old piece of shit?

2816
02:08:08,440 --> 02:08:13,280
Speaker 2: Just just oh, look at this.

2817
02:08:13,440 --> 02:08:15,560
Speaker 1: We gotta protect old guys from elder abuse, and we

2818
02:08:15,600 --> 02:08:19,160
Speaker 1: gotta protect bbl's, especially those of the instagramming kind on

2819
02:08:19,200 --> 02:08:19,600
Speaker 1: the beach.

2820
02:08:21,120 --> 02:08:27,160
Speaker 2: I do love them. Yeah, put that ass in the air. Yep, yep, yep, yep, dude,

2821
02:08:27,200 --> 02:08:29,680
Speaker 2: I told you this. So we go to this uh,

2822
02:08:29,760 --> 02:08:32,400
Speaker 2: we go to this place in Colombia when we go

2823
02:08:32,440 --> 02:08:35,880
Speaker 2: to the beach in Cartagena, and it has this pool

2824
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:38,400
Speaker 2: that's like elevated and it's an infinity pool, right, so

2825
02:08:38,440 --> 02:08:40,160
Speaker 2: the water spills over the edge and you can put

2826
02:08:40,200 --> 02:08:42,400
Speaker 2: your arms on it and you can watch the sun set.

2827
02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:45,640
Speaker 2: It's beautiful, right, It's amazing. And every time it's Golden

2828
02:08:45,680 --> 02:08:48,680
Speaker 2: hour where the sun is coming down in the distance, Dude,

2829
02:08:48,680 --> 02:08:51,680
Speaker 2: you can see all of the TikTok and instagram folks

2830
02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:53,840
Speaker 2: in particular. I'm just gonna be honest, it's gonna put

2831
02:08:53,880 --> 02:08:58,000
Speaker 2: it out there. The women and they all have these

2832
02:08:58,040 --> 02:09:01,160
Speaker 2: like gross fat dudes who take pictures of them. They

2833
02:09:01,200 --> 02:09:03,720
Speaker 2: all get to the edge of the infinity pool when

2834
02:09:03,800 --> 02:09:05,920
Speaker 2: the sun is coming down and then they all stick

2835
02:09:05,960 --> 02:09:08,360
Speaker 2: their ass in the air to take pictures. And I

2836
02:09:08,360 --> 02:09:11,240
Speaker 2: gotta say, it's the best time of the day every

2837
02:09:11,320 --> 02:09:13,400
Speaker 2: day in Columbia. I just want to point that out.

2838
02:09:14,080 --> 02:09:16,600
Speaker 1: Golden Hour. Isn't there a podcast with that same name, Luke?

2839
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:19,880
Speaker 2: Uh oh yeah, Brenda Shops new podcast is right, Yeah,

2840
02:09:19,880 --> 02:09:20,920
Speaker 2: I think that's the Golden Hour.

2841
02:09:20,840 --> 02:09:24,080
Speaker 1: Right yeah, big feud between Hallmark Harley and him right now.

2842
02:09:24,120 --> 02:09:25,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen with that, Luke. Well,

2843
02:09:25,560 --> 02:09:32,520
Speaker 1: let's keep it going here. There's some dumpster diving, all right,

2844
02:09:35,120 --> 02:09:38,520
Speaker 1: that's wasted, wasted, wasted. Indeed, yep, there it is.

2845
02:09:38,880 --> 02:09:41,960
Speaker 2: Her friend is looking at her like this is definitely

2846
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:43,280
Speaker 2: not the first time you've done this.

2847
02:09:43,560 --> 02:09:46,680
Speaker 1: Yes, somebody threw away a perfectly good white girl, Luke. Unfortunately,

2848
02:09:46,760 --> 02:09:48,560
Speaker 1: there you go. All right, let's keep it moving here,

2849
02:09:48,640 --> 02:09:51,280
Speaker 1: let's go to the Uh you ever climb a fence

2850
02:09:51,480 --> 02:09:54,680
Speaker 1: looking have a I've been offensive. I'm not much for

2851
02:09:54,720 --> 02:09:55,760
Speaker 1: climbing fences though.

2852
02:09:58,120 --> 02:10:00,720
Speaker 2: Oh wrong clip, Sorry sorry, keep walk can shoeless in

2853
02:10:00,720 --> 02:10:02,680
Speaker 2: the New York City subways, you diseased.

2854
02:10:02,760 --> 02:10:05,240
Speaker 1: Pos I was gonna ask you, what what do you

2855
02:10:05,280 --> 02:10:06,960
Speaker 1: think she has acquired from this walk?

2856
02:10:08,880 --> 02:10:12,480
Speaker 2: She has full blown aids. You can start right there.

2857
02:10:12,640 --> 02:10:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get out of here. Let's keep it moving.

2858
02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:17,080
Speaker 1: Let's go over now to the to the to the

2859
02:10:17,360 --> 02:10:19,720
Speaker 1: climbing the fence bed. We're almost done here, all right,

2860
02:10:20,720 --> 02:10:22,600
Speaker 1: thanks the guys in the back. Here we go. Yeah,

2861
02:10:22,640 --> 02:10:23,640
Speaker 1: that didn't work out well.

2862
02:10:23,760 --> 02:10:26,280
Speaker 2: That did give himself a wedgie.

2863
02:10:26,040 --> 02:10:27,880
Speaker 1: Yes he did. That looks like New York City too,

2864
02:10:27,960 --> 02:10:29,840
Speaker 1: is it?

2865
02:10:29,840 --> 02:10:32,800
Speaker 2: It might be honestly, that could be d C too,

2866
02:10:32,840 --> 02:10:33,400
Speaker 2: based on.

2867
02:10:33,320 --> 02:10:37,600
Speaker 1: The Yeah that hurts. Wow, that guy's grundle or that

2868
02:10:37,760 --> 02:10:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, his his uh wow.

2869
02:10:39,800 --> 02:10:42,400
Speaker 2: I guess, I guess he fumbled somehow on the way

2870
02:10:42,400 --> 02:10:44,680
Speaker 2: to go pick up his acceptance application from m I

2871
02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:47,760
Speaker 2: T right, that must be where he was.

2872
02:10:48,680 --> 02:10:50,680
Speaker 1: Look, we haven't had a testify in a while, so

2873
02:10:50,760 --> 02:10:52,200
Speaker 1: let's go to regional m m A and see what

2874
02:10:52,200 --> 02:10:55,800
Speaker 1: they can give you for those in the back of

2875
02:10:55,840 --> 02:10:56,520
Speaker 1: the congregation.

2876
02:10:56,960 --> 02:11:00,200
Speaker 2: Boo, not quite a full testifying, but pretty close.

2877
02:11:00,400 --> 02:11:06,320
Speaker 1: Pretty close. Indeed, that's vicious stuff right there. Yeah, all right,

2878
02:11:06,400 --> 02:11:08,000
Speaker 1: three more on the way out here. Let's see if

2879
02:11:08,040 --> 02:11:09,480
Speaker 1: they entertain you at all. What do we got? What

2880
02:11:09,560 --> 02:11:12,080
Speaker 1: do we got? What a great show we've given the

2881
02:11:12,120 --> 02:11:15,960
Speaker 1: fans today? You know, Wow, that's fast and furious.

2882
02:11:18,840 --> 02:11:22,520
Speaker 2: Wait, so the hydraulics on the car as the white

2883
02:11:22,560 --> 02:11:24,400
Speaker 2: girl tries to tork. It's just like y'll get the

2884
02:11:24,440 --> 02:11:25,280
Speaker 2: fuck up off me.

2885
02:11:25,600 --> 02:11:29,440
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, keep it moving, please, Luke. I didn't I

2886
02:11:29,480 --> 02:11:32,720
Speaker 1: didn't try the hot dogs in Great Britain because I'm

2887
02:11:32,760 --> 02:11:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I'm trying. I'm trying a little bit.

2888
02:11:35,480 --> 02:11:38,240
Speaker 1: Didn't want to die, protect my liver. But this turtle,

2889
02:11:38,680 --> 02:11:39,680
Speaker 1: this turtle didn't care.

2890
02:11:42,640 --> 02:11:48,600
Speaker 2: That's like an alligator snapping turtle. Dude.

2891
02:11:48,640 --> 02:11:52,360
Speaker 1: He ate that almost as aggressively as the bear that

2892
02:11:52,480 --> 02:11:55,160
Speaker 1: out ate Kobayashi and that and that Fox Man Versus

2893
02:11:55,200 --> 02:11:57,120
Speaker 1: b show from like two thousand and two, you remember that. Great.

2894
02:11:57,120 --> 02:11:58,920
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say this looks this looks a lot

2895
02:11:59,000 --> 02:11:59,800
Speaker 2: like you at Cumberland.

2896
02:12:00,400 --> 02:12:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, very close, very close. And then finally we got

2897
02:12:02,880 --> 02:12:05,440
Speaker 1: one more. I forgot what it was. You know what

2898
02:12:05,480 --> 02:12:06,120
Speaker 1: do we got here?

2899
02:12:06,480 --> 02:12:06,560
Speaker 6: Oh?

2900
02:12:06,640 --> 02:12:09,680
Speaker 1: Here we go? Hey, look check out this carnival move?

2901
02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:15,960
Speaker 2: Oh boy? Yeah, not bad.

2902
02:12:16,960 --> 02:12:20,040
Speaker 1: Should I be aroused or afraid when I see that?

2903
02:12:20,120 --> 02:12:22,320
Speaker 2: Luke? Yeah, she didn't quite stick the landing. She just

2904
02:12:22,400 --> 02:12:24,560
Speaker 2: kind of bounced off of her you know what I'm saying.

2905
02:12:24,680 --> 02:12:27,880
Speaker 2: And uh, also, it just looks like she's in the

2906
02:12:28,000 --> 02:12:30,440
Speaker 2: van down by the river. Meanwhere.

2907
02:12:30,920 --> 02:12:33,760
Speaker 1: Thank you to the respected Instagram handle of at public

2908
02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:36,400
Speaker 1: stalker for bringing us this. That's your share of the week.

2909
02:12:36,440 --> 02:12:38,000
Speaker 1: I hope you have seen it.

2910
02:12:38,040 --> 02:12:40,000
Speaker 2: Thank you, h b C. That is it for us.

2911
02:12:40,200 --> 02:12:44,240
Speaker 1: Any final thoughts, great show, great to be back and

2912
02:12:44,280 --> 02:12:46,960
Speaker 1: I can't tell you guys enough. The live show's coming.

2913
02:12:47,040 --> 02:12:47,360
Speaker 2: All right.

2914
02:12:47,400 --> 02:12:49,960
Speaker 1: We got some great look can we share who we interviewed?

2915
02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:52,400
Speaker 1: We already shared it, dude, we talk to We sat

2916
02:12:52,400 --> 02:12:58,800
Speaker 1: down with Arnold Allen, Paul Kurdig, MV Pizzle. Okay, we

2917
02:12:58,920 --> 02:13:01,360
Speaker 1: got some great ones come out of the UK very soon.

2918
02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, Paul Craig doesn't mind it

2919
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:06,960
Speaker 2: when we call him Paul Craig, so you can stop

2920
02:13:07,000 --> 02:13:08,280
Speaker 2: worrying about us, yeah, Paul.

2921
02:13:08,480 --> 02:13:10,880
Speaker 1: In fact, did you see Paul Craig on Instagram wearing

2922
02:13:10,960 --> 02:13:11,520
Speaker 1: our merch?

2923
02:13:11,960 --> 02:13:13,600
Speaker 2: I did see that. Yeah. We gave him some merch

2924
02:13:13,720 --> 02:13:15,879
Speaker 2: and he wore it today to the He's a big golfer,

2925
02:13:16,040 --> 02:13:17,440
Speaker 2: which we talk about and he went he wore it

2926
02:13:17,480 --> 02:13:18,160
Speaker 2: to the golf course.

2927
02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:21,840
Speaker 1: Big fan of Paul Craig in these parts. So thank

2928
02:13:21,880 --> 02:13:23,560
Speaker 1: you very much, Thank you to all of the UK,

2929
02:13:23,720 --> 02:13:25,240
Speaker 1: Thank you to those who came out. I mean, what

2930
02:13:25,320 --> 02:13:27,960
Speaker 1: a time. You'll see the video. Thank you, Luke. But

2931
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:29,600
Speaker 1: now you know, as always, we got to move to

2932
02:13:29,640 --> 02:13:31,720
Speaker 1: what's next. What's the next hill you want to climb? Anything?

2933
02:13:32,480 --> 02:13:34,839
Speaker 2: Well, let's see we have obviously you havec this weekend.

2934
02:13:34,840 --> 02:13:37,840
Speaker 2: We're not traveling. Well, you're traveling again this week because

2935
02:13:37,880 --> 02:13:40,560
Speaker 2: you're an idiot, so you have to go do that.

2936
02:13:40,600 --> 02:13:42,600
Speaker 2: But I think we as a team, we are going

2937
02:13:42,680 --> 02:13:45,120
Speaker 2: to be in studio next week. I think that's right,

2938
02:13:45,200 --> 02:13:49,440
Speaker 2: not this week, but next and then March twenty fifth,

2939
02:13:49,480 --> 02:13:51,280
Speaker 2: I think we're traveling for.

2940
02:13:51,680 --> 02:13:56,400
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, Caleb Plant, David Benavitez. Hell yeah, on Showtime

2941
02:13:56,440 --> 02:13:58,720
Speaker 1: pay per view. Can't wait. Like you mentioned, I'll be

2942
02:13:58,840 --> 02:14:03,480
Speaker 1: this week in Topeka, Kansas for Friday night showbox card,

2943
02:14:03,480 --> 02:14:05,480
Speaker 1: which you can only get on Showtime and if you

2944
02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:07,880
Speaker 1: want thirty days free, I think we still offer that. Yeah,

2945
02:14:07,880 --> 02:14:10,560
Speaker 1: there you go, free trial at Showtime dot Com. Come

2946
02:14:10,600 --> 02:14:13,200
Speaker 1: hang out with BC as I continue to add miles

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02:14:13,760 --> 02:14:17,040
Speaker 1: and separation from my family, Luke, all in the interest

2948
02:14:17,800 --> 02:14:23,520
Speaker 1: of checks, of accomplishing of of of you know. Yeah,

2949
02:14:23,560 --> 02:14:26,320
Speaker 1: they're nice, they're nice checks.

2950
02:14:26,400 --> 02:14:28,200
Speaker 2: So I'm not mad at you. I'm not mad at you.

2951
02:14:28,560 --> 02:14:30,920
Speaker 2: Let's remind everyone Showtime dot com label that pays. You

2952
02:14:30,920 --> 02:14:32,520
Speaker 2: can go to Showtime dot com get a thirty day

2953
02:14:32,520 --> 02:14:34,080
Speaker 2: free trialph like you can keep it if not.

2954
02:14:34,440 --> 02:14:36,160
Speaker 1: You know, I just said that, right, you know, like

2955
02:14:36,200 --> 02:14:37,280
Speaker 1: I literally just said that.

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02:14:37,400 --> 02:14:38,720
Speaker 2: I know, but I like to be formal with it.

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02:14:38,760 --> 02:14:41,400
Speaker 2: I have a process. Okay, we already saw the merch.

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02:14:41,440 --> 02:14:44,960
Speaker 2: We can skip that. Oh yeah, Morning Combat at gmail

2959
02:14:45,000 --> 02:14:46,760
Speaker 2: dot com to reach the show for fan subs and

2960
02:14:46,840 --> 02:14:50,280
Speaker 2: dead wrong. That's the thing. There is no Wednesday show

2961
02:14:50,320 --> 02:14:53,120
Speaker 2: this week. I know that's gonna sound like blasphemy, but

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02:14:53,240 --> 02:14:56,520
Speaker 2: BC and I need a break, so we're gonna get

2963
02:14:56,520 --> 02:14:58,880
Speaker 2: a break. So what we are going to do is

2964
02:14:58,920 --> 02:15:00,800
Speaker 2: we are going to have something to fill that slot.

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02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:04,000
Speaker 2: We're working out what that is now, but we're gonna

2966
02:15:04,000 --> 02:15:06,160
Speaker 2: have something good for you guys eleven am in the

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02:15:06,200 --> 02:15:08,520
Speaker 2: East on Wednesday, and of course we're back on Friday.

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02:15:08,560 --> 02:15:10,760
Speaker 1: It could, we say, it might be the live show

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02:15:10,800 --> 02:15:14,440
Speaker 1: if it's when it's ready, When it's ready, Luke, Okay.

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02:15:14,200 --> 02:15:15,880
Speaker 2: That's right. It could be the live show. It may

2971
02:15:15,880 --> 02:15:18,760
Speaker 2: not be. We'll have to see, but it'll be something

2972
02:15:18,800 --> 02:15:21,880
Speaker 2: good either way, right, So it'll be fun. All right, BC,

2973
02:15:22,120 --> 02:15:24,640
Speaker 2: great job. Hey want to thank all of the people

2974
02:15:24,680 --> 02:15:27,360
Speaker 2: at showtime and Malka and CBS. Mikey was with us

2975
02:15:27,360 --> 02:15:29,400
Speaker 2: in London. There were some Showtime folks that were with

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02:15:29,480 --> 02:15:31,960
Speaker 2: us with Courtney and Matt and as well as some

2977
02:15:32,040 --> 02:15:33,800
Speaker 2: Malka folks who made it out there as well. They

2978
02:15:33,840 --> 02:15:37,480
Speaker 2: all did a bang up, first rate job. Everyone worked together,

2979
02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:40,000
Speaker 2: we had a good plan and we executed it. So

2980
02:15:40,120 --> 02:15:43,240
Speaker 2: let's make sure to think all of those folks from Showtime,

2981
02:15:43,320 --> 02:15:47,160
Speaker 2: Malka and CBS Sports who helped us make that just

2982
02:15:47,200 --> 02:15:48,640
Speaker 2: a magical evening and experience.

2983
02:15:48,800 --> 02:15:50,320
Speaker 1: And when I got out of the car at the

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02:15:50,320 --> 02:15:53,680
Speaker 1: hotel in San Antonio Friday night, Gaff Pierre standing right there,

2985
02:15:53,760 --> 02:15:56,920
Speaker 1: my man Filthy Phil right behind him. Luke, it's just

2986
02:15:56,960 --> 02:15:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, wherever we go, there we.

2987
02:15:58,840 --> 02:16:02,080
Speaker 2: Are and they've got our back. So thank you Malka,

2988
02:16:02,160 --> 02:16:04,760
Speaker 2: thank you Steba Sports, and thank you Showtime. Thank you

2989
02:16:04,800 --> 02:16:07,160
Speaker 2: to everyone who watched today. Thank you to everyone who

2990
02:16:07,240 --> 02:16:08,840
Speaker 2: is in the crowd in London. Thanks to everyone who

2991
02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:12,080
Speaker 2: supports the MK. We're done for the day. Enjoy your

2992
02:16:12,560 --> 02:16:14,480
Speaker 2: time between now and Friday. We'll have something good for

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02:16:14,520 --> 02:16:17,120
Speaker 2: you on Wednesday. So for Brian Campbell and everyone else

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02:16:17,160 --> 02:16:19,480
Speaker 2: I just mentioned, I'm Luke Thomas. May all of your

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02:16:19,520 --> 02:16:20,760
Speaker 2: gains be loyal