1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to you Stuff you should know from House Stuff 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Josh Clark. There's Charles to Chuck Bryant. There's guest producer Noel. 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: There's Nicola Tesla. It's stuff you should know. There's Johnny 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: and Scott are there's your imaginary No, that was Sigmund 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: the Sea Monster. Did you watch that show? No, Once again, 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 1: the brief cultural divide expans between us from the seventies 8 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: or earlier. Yeah, it was one of the Sid and 9 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: Marty Croft shows. Hr puffin stuff. Yeah, Sigmund the Sea 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: Monster and Johnny and Scott Warres Buddies. Yeah, he was 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: like a you know, he's a dude in a suit. 12 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: I reckon, but he was. He looked like a big 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: blob of kelp. I'm sure it's total nightmare fuel with eyes. 14 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: That was cool. Sid Marty Croft man. Yeah, their sensibilities 15 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: scare me. Yeah. I went to the place once in Atlanta. 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: You know, they had down at the Omni uh which 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: is now Phillips Arena. They had Sid Marty Croft World 18 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: or whatever, and I went down there once and looking 19 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: back now, it was like a drug fueled indoor amusement part. 20 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: You're like, why are there so many twenty year old 21 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: tire Yeah? I never really put with kids. Yeah, uh yeah, 22 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: I'm sure. I say this every single time that we 23 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: talk about Sid marty Croft. But you've seen the Mr 24 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: Show State of Drug Achusets. Yeah, that's one of the best. 25 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to pick out for Mr. Show, 26 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: but that's definitely up there. Yeah, that's top five easy. Yeah. 27 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: And that's sea monsters. Sea monsters, They're Gonna get you soon? 28 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: Is that from a show? Okay? From this show? So, Chuck, 29 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: are you familiar much with sea monsters when you're researching 30 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: this where you like everybody knows all this sort of 31 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: half and half? Yeah, I felt similar. There were a 32 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: lot of stuff, a lot of things in here that 33 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: I hadn't heard of, and the extra research we did 34 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: too yielded some new insights. But one of the things 35 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: that stuck out to me, and I guess it's probably 36 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: the thesis of this whole thing, is that we've been 37 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: seeing sea monsters for millennia. We've been talking about sea 38 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: monsters for millennia, and we still are like, have you 39 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: heard of the montalk monster? Yes? Did you see pictures 40 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: of that thing. Yeah, I remember when it came out. Okay, 41 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: I just heard of it yesterday. Yeah, I feel bad 42 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: for not sharing that with you. It's awesome. Yeah that 43 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 1: in the two thousand eight um what was the beach? 44 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: It was around Montalk, Yeah, but there was a specific beach, 45 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: ditch planes beach. This girl and her three friends found 46 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: this washed up Montalk monster. And I think what's funny 47 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: is they still there's a trend here in naming these 48 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: things sensationally throughout history, and we still do it. Because 49 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: they could have called it like a decomposed raccoon, but 50 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: they called it the Montalk monster. And the jury is 51 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: not out. It is a decomposed raccoon, Yeah they I 52 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: mean they pretty much think so. But it's not like 53 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: you can't prove that. I mean, they have like a 54 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: line of biologists from Montalk to Manhattan saying it's a raccoon. 55 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: It's a raccoon without its fur, which makes it look awesome. 56 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: I've heard some other paleo zoologists say, like it maybe 57 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: a sheep, though I think it was too small, or 58 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: other animals. But it's definitely not a monster, a sea monster. 59 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: But this is two thousand and eight we're talking about, 60 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: and some weird thing washes up on a beach, and 61 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: around the world people hear of the Montalk Monster except 62 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, did you see the East River Monster? 63 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: I heard that one was a pig. Yeah, it's clearly 64 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: a pig, but it's still kind of cool looking. But 65 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: still they named it the East River Monster, and not 66 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: a pig. That was you know, I don't know how 67 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: the pig got there, right, the pig of East River 68 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, it's probably like, you know, 69 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: somewhere in Chinatown a pig was no good and the 70 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: other thing in the river. That's what they do. Yeah. Um. 71 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: Also in two thousand six, um, there was one in Russia. 72 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: I didn't see where, but on a beach. Uh, something 73 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: washed up and they said sea monster. And it turned 74 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: out to be a beluga whale carcass, greatly decomposed, but 75 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: it looked weird. It didn't look anything like a beluga whale. 76 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: But the point is is still in the twenty one century, 77 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: whenever the sea spits something up, we're like, this is 78 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: a monster. Clearly, obviously this is a monster. And then 79 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: biologists come along and say it's not a monster, but 80 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: it's this weird thing, or sometimes they say this is new. 81 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: Yeah it's not a monster, but this is new. And 82 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: this is the point finally that I'm trying to get to, 83 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: is that the the oceans, the seas cover seventies percent 84 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: of Earth's surface. Right, That's a lot of hiding places. 85 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: And I think humans have known and still no intuitively 86 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of stuff down there that we 87 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: don't know about. We don't know what it is. But 88 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: over time we science has replaced superstition enough so that 89 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: while we still know there's stuff out there that we 90 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: don't know, we don't think of him as monsters. So 91 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: our mindset has changed somewhat. Yeah, But ultimately, the sea 92 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: is this place of unknown, unknown organisms that we're still 93 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: learning about. What's the of the deepest seas are still 94 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: uncompletely like, unresearched and undiscovered. Well, James Cameron just took 95 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: away a little percentage of that with his Deep Sea Dive. 96 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: He took away a bit of my soul with every 97 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: movie he's made since Terminator Too. You like Terminator Too? 98 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: I didn't see that one. That's pretty good. Huh, Yeah, 99 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: I think that was that was a good one. Have 100 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: you not seen Titanic. Did you know that the there 101 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: was an alternate ending for it, where like they kept 102 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: the diamond or where something like the Titantanic didn't sink. Right, 103 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: it worked out well in the end. No, Bill Paxton 104 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: ended up getting in on throwing the diamond away. That's 105 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: what it was, I think. Um. Speaking of recent sea 106 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: monsters though, which is not a sea monster. But did 107 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:16,239 Speaker 1: you see the footage of the anglerfish? That's another great point. Yeah, 108 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: some of these deep sea creatures look like creepy monsters. 109 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: I mean, the the anglerfish is one of the scariest 110 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: looking things I've ever seen in my life. Creepy and 111 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: uh it's real though, It's just you know, science is 112 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, what is this thing? They know 113 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: what the angler fish is exactly, but they live so deep. 114 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: I think until recently, it had never been filmed in 115 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: its habitat until like this year, until like three weeks ago. Yeah. Um, 116 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: apparently it wasn't until nineteen seventy five that we ever 117 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: photographed a whale underwater. Yeah. Interesting, two thousand six, I think, um, 118 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: or nineteen seventy six we discovered the mega mouth shark. Uh, 119 00:06:54,960 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: there's like the sea just coughs up new life to that. Yeah, 120 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: where were slightly more superstitious, we would have called monsters. 121 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: So that's pretty much the explanation of sea monsters. But 122 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: it goes back, like really really far, and looking at 123 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: the different kind of monsters we came up with really 124 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: kind of reveals a lot about our mentality. Yeah, it 125 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: goes back. I mean pretty much since people were writing 126 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: stuff down, somebody was writing about some kind of sea monster, 127 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: like the ocean is always just enthralled folks. I think 128 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: the Mesopotamians had the goddess uh Tiamatt. It was a 129 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: sea monster. Well she was, yeah, and she was their 130 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: creator goddess originally. So if you go far enough back 131 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: and Mesopotamian lore, that's where the world came from, that's 132 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: where the universe came from. Was Tiamat, right, And then 133 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: eventually as Mesopotamia grew and evolved, um, she became what's 134 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: known as the chaos monster, and she was slain by 135 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: a male hero as and then the world was created 136 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: from from that. But originally she was just a benevolent 137 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: creator goddess. Well, and we'll see as we go through here, 138 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: not all of the sea monsters that depends on the 139 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: culture and the religion. Uh. Some of them were benevolent. 140 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: I know the Chinese revere their dragons and sea monsters. Uh. 141 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: The Old Testament had its Leviathan. So even in the Bible, right, 142 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: and this is a question of mine, dude, is do 143 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: do don't you think that the Leviathan and Tiamat are 144 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: one and the same. And in the Old Testament it's 145 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: the Hebrew God slaying the old Mesothamian gods saying, don't 146 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: even bring that here, like you created the world, I 147 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: slay you. Yeah, I am God. Well, I mean there's 148 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: a lot of crossover with stuff from the Old Testament 149 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: and other religions. And some people take great offense to that. 150 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: Others don't what that that it's not No, this is 151 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: the word of God period. There is no crossover. That's 152 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: just coincidence. Um, twenty leagues under the sea. I think 153 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: Jules Verne this quote is pretty cool. Uh. In eighteen 154 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: seventy he wrote that great great book. Uh, and he said, 155 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: either we do know all the right varieties of beings 156 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: which people our planet, where we do not. If we 157 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: do not know them all, if nature has still secrets 158 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: in the deeps for us, nothing is more conformable to 159 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: reason than to admit the existence of fishes or cetaceans 160 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: and other kinds of even new species, to which the 161 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: character receiving that monologue said the yeah, but it just 162 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: it kind of plays to the point um that if 163 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: there are undiscovered things, they're always high in the mountains, 164 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: are deep in the jungles, or deep under the sea 165 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: because people would have seen them. So it makes it 166 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: exotic in uh, sort of grabby as means of religion 167 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: or literature, you know, lore, right, Plus the Jules Verne 168 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: was writing in well, this is eighteen seventy when he 169 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 1: wrote Twenty Leagues under the Sea, So this is a 170 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: time when a lot of the old myths and legends 171 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: and monsters were being subsumed by biology. So like, yeah, 172 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: that monster that you saw, that thing does exist, but 173 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: it's not actually a kraken. It's an it's it's yeah, 174 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: or it's a it's a giant squid. And and here's 175 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: you know what it does and how it reproduces. And 176 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: because it's being studied, it's not just being feared. Yeah, 177 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: that's a good point. The Greeks and Romans, if you're 178 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: a fan of mythology. They are. There are tons and 179 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: tons of cool stories about sea creatures and sea monsters, 180 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: all kinds of monsters. Uh, namely one Cetus named by 181 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: the Romans. King Cepheus had a wife named Cassiopeia maybe 182 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: ruled Ethiopia apparently, and she said, you know what, my 183 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: daughter Andromeda is more beautiful than all the sea nymphs. 184 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: And of course, um, she's like, yeah, I said it. Yeah, 185 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: And Setis was like, all right, well, I've got a 186 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: dog like head and I'm part fish, and I'm gonna 187 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: come up and kill your daughter. Kill kill Setis. And Perseus, 188 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: of course, is always saving the day. So he apparently 189 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: was flying back carrying Medusa's head that he just chopped off, 190 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: flying around, and uh, it just happened to pass by. 191 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: Uh was it Persephone who was about to be eaten 192 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: and Dromeda Andromeda and said, all right, I'll take care 193 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: of Setis on my way home. My swords bloody already. 194 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: Harry Hamlin, who was Yeah, I never saw the remake 195 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: of that, did you see that? I didn't either. I 196 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: just remember release the crack and yeah it was a buzzword. Yeah, 197 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: that's right. Even Neeson has a knack for buzzy movie. Uh, 198 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: lines of dialogue, because that very particular set of skills 199 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: was also a big thing for months, four different movies. 200 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: I was just in the one Are you sure? Yeah, 201 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: take him? Yeah, it was pretty good movie, by the way, 202 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: sure sure. Did not see the sequel though, Taken to 203 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: Electric Boogaloo. Yeah. I thought it was weird when he 204 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: started breaking. Yeah, he's doing the worm, but like not 205 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: even very well. I would have thought they'd get like 206 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: a body double who was like a professional dancer. Well, 207 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: he did not have a particular set at skills when 208 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: it came to being on the cardboard. Now, Chuck, we'll 209 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: we'll talk a little more about um mythology and what 210 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: it reveals about humans and sea monsters right after this, 211 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: So Chucky, you're talking about Perseus slaying setis um. Homer's 212 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: Odyssey was also another great book of legends and mythology. Yeah, 213 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: and there were some sea monsters in it. Yeah, Sila 214 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: or skilla and uh scharibdis charybdis. Uh. These two point 215 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: out an important and ongoing um feature of some of 216 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: these stories with are that maybe they might symbolize something 217 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: else real. Yes, either a sea monster or in this case, 218 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: maybe a dangerous reef or whirlpools. That's a pretty common 219 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: thing another cracking. Also, the most dangerous part about the cracking, 220 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: supposedly is the whirlpool that it creates. Right, So, um, 221 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: this is kind of a this is one thesis on 222 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: why sea monsters developed. It was as an allegory. Yeah, 223 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: a you know, a tale told of of warning. Right, 224 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: So that quote or that description of Scylla's described as 225 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: having twelve ft six heads atop, long sinuous necks and 226 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: mouths bristling with rows of shark like teeth. Well, um, 227 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: that's probably a reef, right, and then sure just lay 228 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: on the opposite shore and periodically swallowed and regurgitated the waters. 229 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: There probably a whirlpool, right, So it's story saying maybe 230 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: don't go there exact exactly. Did you read that thing 231 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: on nuclear semiotics, dude, Let me tell you about this 232 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: for a second. Okay, there is this, um, this whole 233 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: exploration that's trying to figure out how to express say 234 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: so like, if you have nuclear waste and you need 235 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: to put it away for ten thousand years and to 236 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: keep people away from it for ten thousand years, you 237 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: have to figure out a way to warn people away 238 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: from it for ten thousand years. Well, how could you 239 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: possibly do that? Godzilla sign? That's one idea. There's a 240 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: lot of other ideas, and this whole thing is called 241 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: nuclear semiotics, and one of the ways to probably the 242 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: most agreed upon way, is to create this thing called 243 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: the nuclear Priesthood, which is this group of learned people 244 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: who know the secret of this nuclear waste site but 245 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,479 Speaker 1: purposefully come up with a folklore to warn people away, 246 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: so to add some sort of like superstitious danger or 247 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: something to the site that will get passed down and 248 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: passed down, so eventually the people surrounding the area, live 249 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: around it will know, like, you don't want to go there, 250 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: You'll get killed. It has nothing to do with nuclear 251 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: radiation anymore, but this foolklore will get passed along and along, 252 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: and they're saying like that may be the best way 253 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: to pass along information. And that's exactly what um what 254 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: the idea. One interpretation of what sea monsters are is. 255 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: It's like a ghost story too. You know, you don't 256 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: want your kids to go in that decrepit house with 257 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: all the rusty nails. Tell him a scary old lady 258 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: lives in there, or to play near the water. You 259 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: don't want you don't want a carp to take you away. 260 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: It's really just manipulating your dumb kid pretty much. It's 261 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: not doing dangerous things, right exactly. Yeah, And it works 262 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: and it's a way and over time it's gotten passed down. 263 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: So that's one interpretation of sea monsters. There's also, like 264 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: you said, the kraken um possibly being the giant squid, 265 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: or I shouldn't even say possibly, it's probably a giant squid, right, Yeah, 266 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: There's always been stories of the kracking terrorizing ships off 267 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: of Iceland and Norway, and the kracking is noted because 268 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: it is huge, like one point five a mile to 269 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: a mile and a half wide, and uh, you know, 270 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: the cracking is, like you said, most likely a giant squid. 271 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: If you see a if you're a sailor back then 272 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: and you don't know about biology and things yet and 273 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: you see a uh an eyeball pop out the size 274 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: of a human head, it might make you think that's 275 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: a big cracking seamonster exactly. So then if that gets 276 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: embellished into something that's a mile and a half wide 277 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: with legs as as large as the sailing mast capable 278 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: of pulling down a ship. Well, I mean it gets 279 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: the point across the people back on land. Like, wow, 280 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: that was a really big monster that you guys saw. 281 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: How big do these squids get? They get to like 282 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: forty forty three ft forty forty ft long. There's something 283 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: even bigger called the colossal squid. Yeah, that's so much bigger. 284 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: It's its own um species, I believe um. And it 285 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: lives just in the Antarctic. So it's probably not the 286 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: basis of the kracking. It's probably just a regular old 287 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: giant squid. But you've seen giant squids. Look look at 288 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: those things. They are very scary and they're very very big. 289 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: Plus also, the idea of the crack and may have 290 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: first come about before sightings of giant squid. They may 291 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: have been taken from whalers who found like crazy scars 292 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: on whales, who may have found like bits of tentacles, 293 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: like huge tentacles in the whales stomachs, things like that, 294 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: and been like, what did this come from? Yeah, the beak, 295 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: because they did find a giant squid once, but the 296 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: sailors cut it up and used it for bait. But 297 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: they preserved the beak, and that just fueled the legend 298 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: even more and more. So that's the that's another interpretation 299 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: of sea monsters is that they came from misunderstood or 300 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: embellished sightings of actual sea organisms that were familiar with. Now, 301 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: so it's the same thing, we just changed the name. Sure, well, 302 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: your sailor, you're drunk. Maybe you may be hallucinating because 303 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: you've been out at sea for too long, licking toads, 304 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: maybe looking toads. You may be uh, physically ill, sleep deprived, fatigued. Um. 305 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: And you see a giant squid, you might write in 306 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: your journal that I've seen the kracking. It makes perfect sense, 307 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: sure you know, and it spreads and takes shape over time, 308 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: little scurvy going on. The kracking is not the only one. Um. 309 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: That's probably based on something real, the like sea serpents. 310 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: So the Leviathan was a sea serpent, many headed sea serpent. 311 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: It was a Mesopotamian god, like we said, Oh no, 312 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: I'm sorry it was. It was in the the Old Testament. 313 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: It may have been the Mesopotamian god. That's what I said. Yeah, 314 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: but Leviathan always is sort of a catch all word 315 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: now for any like large unknown, huge creature. Yeah, and 316 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: apparently it's in Hebrew it just means whale. Yeah. Um, 317 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: which again it was probably well, well, yeah, it could 318 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: have also been a sea serpents. So stea serpents are 319 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: there are their own things. Um the uh, the Norse 320 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: had a legend of the yourman gander. There's mornwatt in 321 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: there and everything. And that was apparently, um, one of 322 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: Thor's bigger headaches. Yeah, that was the baby that was 323 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: created when Loki, his brother and a woman named on 324 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: Garboda I guess, had um the sex of the gods, 325 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: and created this creature, a sea serpent that wrapped around 326 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: the globe supposedly. Yeah, and um, that's just one example 327 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: of a sea serpent, huge sea bound snake. And there's 328 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: a lot of suggestions of what accounted for sightings of 329 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: sea serpents, huge things of floating kelp seen in the distance. Um, 330 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 1: schools of porpoises, yeah, along the line together. There's one 331 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: thing though, that could have accounted for all sighting of 332 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: sea serpents. It's called the or fish. Did you see 333 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: this thing? Yeah? It is huge and um, if an 334 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: or fish was was swimming in the water, it could 335 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: be undulating up and down and it looks like little 336 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: spiny humps coming in and out of the water, So 337 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: that that makes sense. Sure they get up to you, 338 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: I think, um, thirty or forty, Yeah they can. I 339 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: mean there's there's plenty of photos of you know, like 340 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: tin dudes on a beach holding one up because it 341 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,959 Speaker 1: takes tin dudes. It's not like they all want their 342 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: hand on the little fish exactly, you know. And these 343 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: aren't photoshop either. There's all kinds of stupid fake pictures too, 344 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: but or fishes are huge and they look like big, 345 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: slimy kind of serpentine fish. And then chuck. Mer people 346 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: were another kind of universal Um, I guess sea monster myth. 347 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: That's a That's another thing that stuck out to me, 348 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: is there where there are legends around the world from culture, 349 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: was there separated by space and time that had similar stories, 350 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: um without possibly interacting. So it makes you think that 351 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: a lot of these people cited similar things and came 352 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: up with similar myths and legends to explain what they 353 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: were seeing. Probably the mermaid is you know, if you've 354 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: seen splash, you think, what what a neat thing to 355 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: find a mermaid? But mermaids were not um looked upon 356 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: kindly because they would yuh and this article points out 357 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,479 Speaker 1: they would at the their best they would just forget 358 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: that you can't breathe and drag you underwater till you die. 359 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: And if the worst, they would do so on purpose 360 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: and take the men down under the water and lights 361 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: out for you. Tom Hanks, Yeah sorry, Tom Hanks, Sorry 362 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: for the rest of your career. Darryl, his career was 363 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: pretty lousy after splash liing it. Well, uh yeah, what 364 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: um she Daryl Hannah though in the movie would she 365 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: was not a bad mermaid because she uh kissed him 366 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,959 Speaker 1: and gave him breath right, Well, that's the Hollywood ification 367 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: of the Mermaid legend. Or like aerial from Little Mermaid 368 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: and that dirty dirty DVD cover Oh yeah, I guess 369 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: it was VHS cover. They probably corrected that before it 370 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: went to DVD, probably those Disney guys board board and yeah, yeah, 371 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: I get bored and blank. So um. The whole mer 372 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: creature had root in the Nordic areas and Scotland, which 373 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: apparently there's parts of Scotland that are so far north 374 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: that they consider themselves Nordic rather than Scottish. Yeah, Orkney, 375 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: I think. And there's a whole part of Scotland it's 376 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: underwater now called dog Land that was around ten or 377 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: twelve thousand years ago. That's like this really fertile neolithic 378 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: artifact area. It's pretty cool Doggerland, that's what it is, 379 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: not dog Land. So um, they had their own things 380 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: called carpis chuck. And what's interesting about the carpie is 381 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: that the the kelpie. I was thinking harpies, kepies exactly, 382 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: but this is not carp or harpies. They're kelpies, which 383 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: are actually horses that live in the sea that can 384 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: sometimes change into humans, so they're kind of mer creatures. 385 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: But every every lake in Scotland has a kelpie, this 386 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: is supposedly associated with it, including lock Nest. And it 387 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: wasn't until the early eighteenth century that NeSSI became like 388 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: a c creature that we think of her today, when 389 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: some dinosaur bones please asaur bones were found around lock Nests, 390 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: saying well, this is what the Lockness monster is. Before 391 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: that it was just a kelpie. We could probably do 392 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: a full show on Nessy just it um has been 393 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: pretty much disproven um unequivocally of course, because there is 394 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: no Lockness Monster. But I just think things like that 395 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: are need and when we did one big Foot, it's 396 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: more about just the legend and the war around it Unlock. 397 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 1: Did you ever see the documentary that what's his name did, 398 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 1: Rena Hertzog? No, I didn't know he did one of us. 399 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: It was I think it was. He did a mockumentary, 400 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: but not like a Christopher Guest documentary, just bo documentary 401 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: waiting for Waiting for nessy Um, where it just looked 402 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: like he was I can't remember the name it where 403 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: he was searching for the Lotness Monster and saw, you know, 404 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: caught it on camera, but it made it, he made 405 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: it seem real. I think it was Rena Hertzog. It 406 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: was good, of course. You know it sounds a little 407 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: dishonest for Verner Herzog. Well, I don't. I don't think 408 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: he was trying to pass it off. I think, yeah, 409 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: I'll look that up. It may not be him, but 410 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: someone did that, and it was kind of cool because 411 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: if you buy into it, then you're like, oh my god, 412 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: there it is. Are you sure this wasn't like something 413 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: on on cable? Nol says it was her talking Okay, yeah, 414 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: I mean it probably played on cable at some point. 415 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: Old talk to a lot more than Jerry does. Um, 416 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: so chuck there. That brings us to our third interpretation 417 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: for where sea monster legends came from people finding dinosaur bones. Yes, 418 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: and we'll talk more about that right after this break, 419 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: All right, Dinah, Josh, Yeah, let's hear it. Oh well, 420 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: so I said that NeSSI became this kind of sea 421 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: monster around the time of Please Asaur. I believe it's 422 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: what it was. Um skeleton was found around lock nests. 423 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: They said, well, this is this must be one of 424 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: Nessie's relatives. Apparently that wasn't the first time that that 425 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: a dinosaur led to the idea of a sea serpent. 426 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: You mentioned, um, the Chinese having a legend of some 427 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: sort of dragon, little tiny dragons that measured about three 428 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: ft long. Um, oh no, I'm sorry about a foot long. 429 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: The Guizoo dragons. Yeah, they were basically marine reptiles called 430 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: kecha source whi they they But they were lucky like 431 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: if you found one of these skeletons, you kept it 432 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: because it was a little sea monster skeleton that you 433 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: got your hands on, and it would bring you a 434 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: good fortune. That's right. And I know what earlier we 435 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:27,239 Speaker 1: were talking about just the early explorers, and uh, you 436 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: can't fault some of these dudes because they were you know, 437 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: this one article you said they were literally an unchartered 438 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: waters and it was before the rise of science, and 439 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: all they had heard were stories in folklore and anytime 440 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: you saw if you ever see a map, c map, 441 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: oceanic map from the fundreds, it's gonna have some sea 442 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: monsters drawn on it, even as just decoration. So it 443 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: was a time when before there were you know, before 444 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: observational data came along. We pretty much was sort of 445 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: like the n in it today. You pretty much just 446 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: rewrote earlier history books over and over until they finally 447 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: got a little smarter and saying, you know what, maybe 448 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: we should really observe something and then write about it 449 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: for real. And this didn't really lead to any anything 450 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: more substantiated, you know, well for a while, sure, but um, 451 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: it was they called a transitional era in this article, 452 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: which kind of sums it up. Yeah, these were early scientists, 453 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: early naturalists, who were trying to get a handle on 454 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: what the heck they were looking at. Um, but they 455 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: still perpetuated legends like they might have a real creature 456 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: like a whale, right, and then it's similarly a natural 457 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: um biological illustration of a mythical creature like a c bishop. 458 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: So the c bishop was this thing that was supposedly 459 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: caught and taken to the king of Poland because it 460 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: was this fish like creature that had like a meter 461 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: and robes like a bishop, and apparently you could also 462 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: talk and refuse to eat, and when it would make 463 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 1: the sign of the cross and everything, and later on 464 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: somebody said it probably didn't talk and make the sign 465 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: of the cross. But if you look at the squid 466 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: a certain way, it looks a lot like, yeah, it's 467 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: got the hat and in some of its flappy skin 468 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: that's kind of like the robes, you know. So maybe 469 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: that's where the sea bishop came from. Simultaneously to this, 470 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: we're talking like the sixteenth century, there was a pretty 471 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: much a widespread belief that whatever you found on land 472 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: had an an analogy in the sea, catfish, dogfish, seahorse, 473 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: all that stuff. And uh, in some cases they were right, 474 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: there are catfish, there are dog fish because we call 475 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: them that, right, the sea horse to um. But all 476 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: that kind of it was a rough time for science. 477 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: It was still getting its footing. Well, yeah, because you know, 478 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: like you said, things were mistaken, like a whale and 479 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: a walrus might be a monster when it's just a 480 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: whale or a walrus. And there were all kinds of 481 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: tales that you know, when it's repeated over and over, 482 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: you get the sense it is just one of those 483 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: like urban legends back then. I guess it wasn't urban 484 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: back then, though, what would it be, just a seafaring legend. Yeah, 485 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: um of whales being mistaken for islands, and like a 486 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: ship will land on the whale and build a you know, 487 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: and route down basically get off the ship and build 488 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: a fire, and then the whale I guess who was 489 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: just chilling out at the surface, says, hey, there's a 490 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: fire on my back, and I'm gonna take your boat 491 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: underwater and swallow you hole. I'm to be aware of 492 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: the you know, whatever they called that, whatever culture called 493 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: that particular whale exactly now we just call it a whale, 494 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: and again probably end on their backs. It was an 495 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: embellish story, but the there there. It was based on 496 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: the sighting of a whale before they called it whales, 497 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,719 Speaker 1: and back when everybody lied about everything, they saw another 498 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: culture that found dinosaur bones and created their own legends, 499 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: where the Lakota and Dakota Sioux. They came up with 500 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: something called um the Umhla. Yeah, I think that's about 501 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: right from from dinosaur bones found in around the Missouri River, 502 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: and that was a water creature. Well, they were very 503 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: evil water serpents that would eat anything, including one another, 504 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: and so the thunderbirds would come and do battle with 505 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: them thunder beings. Yeah, but I looked it up. Basically 506 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: thunderbirds got what they knew is that it wasn't a tonka, 507 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: that's a buffalo, right, Yea, they were pretty sure. You know, Um, 508 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: that's apparently where the legends of the psych the cyclops 509 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: came from from Native Americans. No, from um finding like 510 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: old like elephant bones, elephant skulls, the huge cavity in 511 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: the middle. Well, clearly there was a race of giants 512 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: that just had one eye. No, there were elephants. You know, 513 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: we often joked like they were done back then. Of 514 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: course they weren't. They were just trying to figure it out. 515 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: It's like to make stuff up. They didn't have TV 516 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: or anything back then, and like we said a lot 517 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: of that. A lot of the stuff was yeh was 518 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: um legend to keep you know, voters from going in 519 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: a maybe a particularly dangerous part of the sea, or 520 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: to keep the children away from the water. And like 521 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: the ghost story and the nuclear what's it called? Oh, 522 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: nuclear semioto nuclear semiotic? Man, everybody go look that stuff up. Actually, 523 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: Roman Mars has a nine invisible about that one. Yeah, 524 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: nice nuclear semiotics. Pretty neat ineffective. I imagine we'll find 525 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: out in ten thousand years. Um, what else do you 526 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: got anything else? I don't have anything else on sea serpents. Um, 527 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: just take a look at the angler fish video and 528 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: tell me if you came upon that. And see we 529 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: also didn't point out that this was before deep not 530 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: even deep sea exploration, like this is before underwater exploration. 531 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: People are just riding around on the top of the ocean. 532 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: So we're fascinated with it and we've gone to the 533 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: depths that we can attain at this point, which just 534 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: pretty deep. I wish I would look that up. I 535 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: don't know how deep we can go, how deep James 536 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: Cameron can go. Oh he goes deep, buddy, But um, 537 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: think about back then, man, when they couldn't, Like, you're 538 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: how scary that would be? Right? When these strange creatures 539 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: are like you see a giant squid, yeah, and you're 540 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: just partially seeing if you can't see it underwater. There 541 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: has no idea before the diving bell, even like there was, 542 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: or the butterfly. That's right? Yea, do you like that one? 543 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: I finally saw that movie by the way, hardcore man. Yeah, 544 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: really good. Uh. If you want to know more about 545 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,959 Speaker 1: the diving bell and the butterfly or about sea monsters, 546 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: you can type those words into the search bar how 547 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: stuff works dot com. And since I said search parts, 548 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: time for listener mail, I do call this uh. Opah 549 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: is German for grandpa. I thought it was Greek for 550 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: like good times. Maybe I don't know really, yeah, Opah, Well, 551 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure those are just three letters together, might be 552 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: something in Greek. But like my brother in law, Carston, 553 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: his German and his grandfather was I'm sorry his father. 554 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: His grandfather was Opa, but his dad was native Germans, 555 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: so my nieces called him opah. A says this lady's 556 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: I'm writing in specifically about your whaling podcast. Oh how 557 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: appropriate with a family story that Lucy relates My great 558 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: grandfather Opah left Germany when he was fourteen pre war 559 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: to work as a sailor, came to the US and 560 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: was a member of the U. S Coast Guard. One day, 561 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: he was part of a team that was clearing a 562 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: harbor of some old sunken chips. To do so, they 563 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: use the sophisticated method of throwing dynamite into the water 564 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: to blast the wood of art and then gathered the debris. 565 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: His team wrote out in a fourteen foot rowboat to 566 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: gather up the wood shards and noticed the blast had 567 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: killed the fish they floated to the tops of The 568 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 1: crew brought them into the boat as well, waste not whatnot. 569 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: As they were going about their business, they came across 570 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: the sixteen foot hammerhead shark that had floated up. Clearly 571 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: it would be a great source of food, so despite 572 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: their small boat, they pulled it aboard. I think you 573 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,399 Speaker 1: see where this is headed. Well. As it turns out, 574 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: the blast is strong enough to kill small fish, but 575 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 1: only stunned larger animals. The shark slowly started to regain 576 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: consciousness in the rowboat, and being confused and out of water, 577 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: was not pleased. It got to the point that it 578 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: was thrashing about in the boat, threatened to destroy the 579 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: boat and likely injured or killed the crew members. So 580 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 1: in the midst of this chaos are able to flag 581 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: down a sailor on a larger vessel proceeded to shoot 582 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: the thing to death while it was still in the boat. Um, 583 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: all of the crew members were safe and they still 584 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: got to feast on hammerhead shark, but now had a 585 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: much more exciting story. Uh. And you mentioned in the 586 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: whaling podcast Old timmy whaling crew members were deployed in 587 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: small boats to get the whale, and we're often injured 588 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: and killed. I thought you might find this interesting, and 589 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: I was hoping you can give a shout out to 590 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: my sister Rachel. You turned me onto your podcast in 591 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: two thousand nine. She lives in France. We don't get 592 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: to see each other frequently, but whenever we do, Josh 593 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: and Chuck always come up. That's us. So that is 594 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: uh Wendy Bear. She is a registered dietitian and Wendy 595 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: and Rachel uh ha ha ha. Thanks for listening and 596 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: for spreading the word and for being uh sisters. Way 597 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: to go being sisters. Yeah, thanks for writing in Wendy. Yeah, yeah, 598 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: thanks Wendy, Um and Chuck. This is our last episode 599 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: of two thousand fourteen, oh man, the longest year. So 600 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: we want to say happy new year everybody, and I 601 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: want to say happy birthday to my sweet and lovely wife, 602 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: you me. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday. That's the 603 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: rights free version. No, that's the Stevie Wonder version. Oh 604 00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 1: it's a good one, so it's not rights free. Yeah, 605 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: happy birthday you me. Happy New Year to all of 606 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: you great people out there in podcast land. Will see 607 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: you next year for more on this and thousands of 608 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: other topics. Is it how stuff works dot Com? Yeah,