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Speaker 5: Well, I bet a lot of our listeners did not

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Speaker 5: knew Gus Florian, Anakin Floran podcast listener, father of Ken

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Speaker 5: Flow New. Good to be back with you, folks. Tuesday,

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Speaker 5: December twentieth, twenty twenty two, a few more sleeps till Christmas,

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Speaker 5: Episode three seventy seven of the Anakiploring podcast. So, Ken

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Speaker 5: Flow's in the mountains? What are you filming a movie?

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Speaker 5: What are you doing.

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Speaker 3: Here with the family?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 6: Here here with the family, just taking a little vacation

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Speaker 6: before Christmas? I promised my wife we'd go to the

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Speaker 5: So not since Kenny Florian was doing an interview on

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Speaker 5: with Gray Maynard, have I seen him as upset as

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Speaker 5: he was five minutes ago that his entire audio and

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Speaker 5: video setup that he dragged to the mountains doesn't work

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Speaker 5: because the Wi Fi wherever you are in this mountainous

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Speaker 5: region is not cooperating today.

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Speaker 6: Man, it's kissing me off. But here we are here

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Speaker 6: a little bit anyway, all right.

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Speaker 5: So we're gonna keep Ken Flow for twenty minutes or so,

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Speaker 5: and then we're gonna check in with Ray Longo. He

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Speaker 5: called me yesterday like he could not wait to sound off.

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Speaker 5: He and I are both sort of at our collective

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Speaker 5: lot of things in the mixed martial arts space that

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Speaker 5: are either judging related, or referee related or scoring related.

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Speaker 5: There's just so much going on in MMA that is

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Speaker 5: of dissatisfaction to me and Ray right now. So I

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Speaker 5: think that's gonna be therapeutic for both of us on

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Speaker 5: a lot of fronts. But we're gonna get into to

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Speaker 5: Jared Cannoneer and Sean Strickland a pretty average main event

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Speaker 5: as far as I was concerned in terms of the

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Speaker 5: entertainment value, with all due respect to elite level athletes

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Speaker 5: all of that and time permitting some other different stuff

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Speaker 5: on the NFL. I mean, I don't even know if

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Speaker 5: the main event goes to Jared Cannoneer over Sean Strickland

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Speaker 5: by split decision forty nine to forty six times to

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Speaker 5: sal Diamato had it the other way for one for

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Speaker 5: Sean Strickland. It was a close fight. All five rounds

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Speaker 6: He was landing the more impactful blows. He was the

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Why because it's a very close fight.

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Speaker 6: If every round is close, and that means that any

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Speaker 5: And the judges are also human beings, right, and Sal

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Speaker 5: Diamato and Derek Cleary are ubiquitously regarded as two of

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Speaker 5: So people oftentimes are solution based individuals, right, Like for

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Speaker 5: So a lot of people have different solutions when it

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Speaker 5: from my man, Shawn Sheen at Shawn sheanba on Twitter.

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Speaker 5: Score that fight as a whole between Jared Cannoneer and

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Speaker 5: Sean Strickland. Still close, half points, still close, more ten

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Speaker 5: eighths none existed in this fight, right, still close, tought

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Speaker 5: miracle that doesn't exist and can't exist. Right, So, if

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Speaker 6: John, you make a lot of tremendous points, and you know,

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Speaker 6: I think it kind of ruins a fans experience, or

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Speaker 3: And I want to talk about the Patriots game.

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Speaker 6: the camera angles weren't great. My point is when you

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Speaker 3: There's going to be differing opinions.

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Speaker 6: And when you get a fight as close as Strickland,

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Speaker 5: Yeah. No, I think it's a beautiful analogy. And as

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Speaker 5: far as that particular play, if you don't know, in

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Speaker 5: again to Kenny's point, you have to see something clear

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Speaker 5: on the replay in order to overturn the field call

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Speaker 5: which was made to be a touchdown. But I thought

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Speaker 5: I absolutely think his sailing as championship. Of course, he's

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Speaker 5: If the system changed, and don't kill me for this,

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Speaker 5: Sean shean. If the system changed and there was some

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Speaker 5: way that I could either manipulate the criteria to include

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Speaker 5: more ten tens or be more liberal with the ten

437
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Speaker 5: eighths or half points or open scoring, whatever it may be,

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Speaker 5: I would do it. But right now, even though you

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Speaker 5: hear me bang on judges and again, I consider our

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Speaker 5: show to be sort of the show of people in

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Speaker 5: the MMA space. A lot of referees, judges, fighters are listening, right,

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Speaker 5: But again, I can't be here to make friends, right,

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Speaker 5: Like some people said to me, dude, you love ken

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Speaker 5: Flow last week. Why are you saying, oh, everybody's going

445
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Speaker 5: to be piling on ken Flow now for his Patty

446
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Speaker 5: Pimblet scorecard. Why are you bringing more attention to it?

447
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Speaker 5: And you know, I know I'm not jeopardizing my friendship

448
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Speaker 5: with ken Flow, but I'm not necessarily here to make friends.

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Speaker 5: The reason I would not be a judge is because

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Speaker 5: I don't think they have the right tools. So as

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Speaker 5: much as you may think I'm banging on these individuals,

452
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Speaker 5: I feel for them because I don't think they have

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Speaker 5: the right tools. So no, I wouldn't do it for

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Speaker 5: five grand a show.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 6: I think that's a great argument, and that's a lot

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Speaker 6: of what I'm kind of where I'm coming from.

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Speaker 4: Is.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think that it's a very difficult thing

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Speaker 6: to do as it is right now, and I think

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Speaker 6: the negatives out weigh the positives for me.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, and take the money out of it.

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Speaker 3: It's just I think you're right.

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Speaker 6: I think you've got to give these guys better tools

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Speaker 6: to be able to make the right decisions.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, kid, enjoy the mountains. We're going to

467
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Speaker 5: get to longgo here in about sixty seconds. But we

468
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Speaker 5: appreciate you dealing with the technical difficulties. Best to the

469
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Speaker 5: family and get home safe for others. We'll talk to

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Speaker 5: you not next week, I believe we're dark, but we'll

471
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Speaker 5: talk to you in like thirteen days.

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Speaker 3: Brother, Thank you, guys, talk soon.

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Speaker 5: All right, there's ken flaherr. Give me that solo box

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Speaker 5: for a second. I just want to talk about the

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Speaker 5: New England Patriots for one second. So certainly a segment

476
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Speaker 5: of our viewership and listenership is not NFL fans. But

477
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Speaker 5: yesterday or on Sunday, the Patriots at the end of

478
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Speaker 5: the game essentially committed the dumbest, most idiotic play in

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Speaker 5: the history of the National Football League. Was a game,

480
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Speaker 5: and it was such a swift kick in in the

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Speaker 5: groin to us New Englanders and Patriots fans because it

482
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Speaker 5: came on the heels of that touchdown that we were

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Speaker 5: talking about earlier that looked to me like his foot

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Speaker 5: was on the white line. Now I can at least say,

485
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Speaker 5: as an NFL fan objectively that I've never seen a

486
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Speaker 5: player's foot seemingly on the white line, get a touchdown

487
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Speaker 5: like that before, even if I don't think that the

488
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Speaker 5: angle was optimal, But to have that compounded by the

489
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Speaker 5: worst play in NFL history, to essentially give the game

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Speaker 5: away when you should have just taken a knee, to me,

491
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Speaker 5: it was just the height of idiocy. And here forty

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Speaker 5: eight hours later, I'm still essentially crying in my cheerios

493
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Speaker 5: and just reliving it. Right, And I got to do

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Speaker 5: an NFL podcast with my twin brother later today. All right,

495
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Speaker 5: hope you guys enjoy some of the judging and the

496
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Speaker 5: scoring stuff, and again trying to do it with all

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Speaker 5: sensitivity to the parties involved, but also trying to just

498
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Speaker 5: not mute my passion, right, Like I am a mixed

499
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Speaker 5: martial arts fan at my core, right, like Joe Rogan

500
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Speaker 5: always says, we're professional fans, and so I'm a fan,

501
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Speaker 5: and I have a platform, And yes, I can go

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Speaker 5: talk to Commissioner Jeff Mullet as soon as I get

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Speaker 5: to Nevada, and rest assured I'll be having that conversation.

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Speaker 5: You know, I can talk to UFC Hall of Famer,

505
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Speaker 5: our executive vice president of Regulatory Affairs, Mark Ratner and

506
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Speaker 5: rest assured that he will be one of the first

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Speaker 5: people that I seek out when I get to Las Vegas,

508
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Speaker 5: because I don't know. I'm trying to learn, right, I'm

509
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Speaker 5: trying to turn my frustration into knowledge, and you know,

510
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Speaker 5: just get through Christmas. All right, let's get to Ray Longer.

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Speaker 6: It's now time for the Ray Longo Minutes, and I'm going.

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Speaker 3: To punch a hole in this fucking subside.

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Speaker 2: That's what I want with the Ray Longo Minute the

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Speaker 2: John Nnik and Kenny Florian podcast.

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Speaker 5: Oh looks like he's not going cold brew today, folks.

516
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Speaker 5: It looks like he's going hot coffee. He froze on

517
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Speaker 5: me already. But I get Ray Longo to myself today

518
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Speaker 5: because of Ken Flow's technical difficulties. So we're going head

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Speaker 5: B side in this equation. I just asked I just

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Speaker 5: asked Kenny the question I asked you on the phone yesterday.

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Speaker 5: You know, would you go through the requisite training and

553
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Speaker 5: it might be two or three years in terms of

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Speaker 5: accruing amateur experience and everything else, But would you go

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Speaker 5: through the judges course, the requisite training over however many

556
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Speaker 5: years and judge a handful of UFC fights for four

557
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Speaker 5: or five thousand dollars to show? And I said, I

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Speaker 5: wouldn't do it because under the current criteria, I don't

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Speaker 5: feel like I have the tools to effectively do the job.

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Speaker 5: Would you be a judge?

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Speaker 2: I would be a judge. I don't know if I'm

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Speaker 2: sitting through three or four years of training, I go

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Speaker 2: in and judge a fight tomorrow. But you got to

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Speaker 2: give me the criteria. And you're right. I think what

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Speaker 2: you're saying is right. You don't want to be a

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Speaker 2: judge because you don't agree with the criteria or almost no?

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Speaker 3: Is that it?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 2: Then that means, you know, look, if everybody's complaining and

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Speaker 2: we have to change the criteria. You know.

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Speaker 4: That's that's the problem.

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Speaker 2: It's the subjective who thinks what is damage what's not damage?

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Speaker 2: And again I haven't looked into this, honestly, John. To me,

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Speaker 2: it's a simple I look at a fight and I

575
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Speaker 2: said this, this guy's better than that guy, and he's

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Speaker 2: doing this better. And I don't I don't bake it

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Speaker 2: that hard, you know what I mean? Like I said,

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Speaker 2: when we got to start going into the criteria of

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Speaker 2: you know, now we're looking for angles, how this guy

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Speaker 2: who we thought lost possibly won. I think that's a

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Speaker 2: problem right now.

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Speaker 5: You don't know who won between Jared Cannoneer and Sean Strickland.

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Speaker 5: You scored it for Sean Strickland, but you thought it

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Speaker 5: was exceedingly close, correct you cut out for a second

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Speaker 5: Cannon ears Trickland. How'd you see that fight closest?

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Speaker 2: John, I tell you, I'm watched that fight and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: just because we're coming off last week's I'm like disasters.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, the first thing that hits me in has

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Speaker 2: somebody is going to be one hundred percent bummed out

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Speaker 2: when they say that, Like, and this is an example

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Speaker 2: of it. This was a fight. I believe either guy

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Speaker 2: could have won. I believe both guys really thought they won.

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Speaker 2: And that's when it really becomes a problem, right when

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Speaker 2: you and they both have every right to think. So,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think Kanania landed the hardy shots. I

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Speaker 2: think Strickland looked like he landed the most consistent shots.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's the way Strickland fights, so in

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Speaker 2: his head, he thinks he's winning. He never really was hurt.

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Speaker 2: He got his It looked like the power went to CANONEA.

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Speaker 2: But good luck with that one. That one's that one.

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Speaker 2: I thought I have to go back and look at it.

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Speaker 2: But when I was watching it, I'm like, this is

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Speaker 2: going to be crazy. You just knew that this one

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Speaker 2: was going to be a tough one to score, and uh.

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Speaker 4: And that's it. So that's it.

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Speaker 2: That's a great fight to go back and look at

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Speaker 2: if you want to see what a close fight looks like.

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Speaker 4: And you know, you could have called that fight a drawer.

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Speaker 4: I would have been happy.

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Speaker 5: So would you be okay if ten percent of all

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Speaker 5: UFC fights ended in a draw? Because, right, because for

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Speaker 5: coaches and fighters it's very different than for promoters, right,

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Speaker 5: And I think even for fans. I think I think

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Speaker 5: some segment of the fan base would be okay with

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Speaker 5: more draws because it would feel more equitable.

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Speaker 2: Like I right, and I'll say this, John, I'll say

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Speaker 2: I'm good with two percent of the fights.

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Speaker 4: Ten percent were getting a little heavy.

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Speaker 2: But there are all fights that I'm saying, even like

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Speaker 2: that Gamrod Zerukian fight.

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Speaker 4: Who the hell won that fight?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 2: And I got to tell you, I love this. I

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Speaker 2: love this kid Zerukian. He's counting it as a win.

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Speaker 2: He's taking shit into his own hands. I had a

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Speaker 2: girl fight last week. The fight was over, it was

627
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Speaker 2: very close, and she turned to me. She goes, I

628
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Speaker 2: won that fucking fight. I go, that's all you need

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Speaker 2: to know. I can't tell you what the judges are

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Speaker 2: going to say, but if you really feel like you

631
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Speaker 2: won that fight, like when you're not bullshit like fight

632
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Speaker 2: at a night like that guy's jumping around like it

633
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Speaker 2: was a great fight.

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Speaker 4: If you really feel like that's it, that's all you

635
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Speaker 4: could do.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I think zu rookie and really felt like you

638
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Speaker 4: wanted to fight. He's counting us. He's on the seven fight,

639
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Speaker 4: which I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 5: In terms of affecting scoring change and we are going

641
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Speaker 5: to get it back to the fights, I promise, But

642
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Speaker 5: it's just too hard to do. But something like open

643
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Speaker 5: scoring is easier to get done. Are you in favor

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Speaker 5: of that?

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Speaker 2: I don't like the open scoring because I think, even.

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Speaker 4: Look, you know what, how about this?

647
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Speaker 2: I'd have to experience it to see how it affected

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Speaker 2: me as a coach, That's all I could say.

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Speaker 4: Right now.

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Speaker 2: I think if I look up and I'm in Rafael

651
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Speaker 2: Statts's corner and I see that somebody's got this other

652
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: guy winning every round, it's gonna be hard for me

653
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: not to just like lose my shit, like you know,

654
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: and go, what the fuck I mean you want to?

655
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: I think you could start at certain fights. I think

656
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: that's a disaster, and I think that would have been.

657
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 4: One of them.

658
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 5: It's a great point to injectate my conversation, right because

659
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 5: my issues have always been that it changes how a

660
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 5: fighter proceeds in so many ways, right, even relative to

661
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 5: the matchup before the fight, even before the open scores down,

662
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 5: never mind the mind fuck mid round when it's like,

663
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 5: are you serious? You're giving every round to the other

664
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 5: guy no matter what? Freaking out which by the way

665
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 5: because it was Douglas Crosby. You had that fifty to

666
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 5: forty five. Cody pulled this transcript from Bloody Elbow. There

667
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 5: was a caller that offered the following comment to the

668
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 5: Nevada State Athletic Commission during a current meeting. I believe

669
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 5: I'm calling in not pertaining to any agenda item, but

670
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 5: rather to lodge a formal complaint about the judging at

671
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 5: UFC two to eighty two that was hosted last weekend

672
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 5: in Vegas. I want to know possible why Douglas Crosby,

673
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 5: in particular, was allowed to judge an event Friday night

674
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 5: in the Northeast and then fly across the country Saturday

675
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 5: morning all the way to Vegas to then judge fight Saturday,

676
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 5: and he was deemed mentally fit to do so. And

677
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 5: then I believe the caller went on to say, I

678
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 5: think it's very telling them. For the entire tenure, as

679
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 5: far as I can tell of Bob Bennett when he

680
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 5: raned as NSAC executive director from twenty fourteen to twenty

681
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 5: twenty one, Crosby was not allowed to judge UFC event

682
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 5: as far as I can tell, scanning MMA decisions. And

683
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 5: then when current director Jeff Mullen took his place, Crosby

684
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 5: was suddenly back judging those events. It seems a bit ridiculous,

685
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 5: and YadA, YadA, YadA. Every NSAC meeting, I guess has

686
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 5: time a loted for public comments. Yes, so I consider

687
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 5: Jeff Mullen a friend, and I do believe that they

688
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 5: will absolutely not allow that to happen anymore in terms

689
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 5: of the quick turn for judges. But again, there's just

690
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 5: so many, so many things going on. Even where to begin.

691
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me touch on one thing.

692
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: First of if you said two words in there that

693
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: were very, very crucial to whoever called mentally fit. Yeah,

694
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: here's the point, here's my It has nothing to do

695
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: with his judging. Everybody's gonna make mistakes. This guy is

696
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: just a rotten human being. Has nothing to do with

697
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: the judging. This is what Missouli's got to figure out,

698
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: because I think Missouli's responsible for this guy coming back

699
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: in mind. I could be wrong, Mike, I'm not. I'm

700
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: just saying this is my thought process. Was I know

701
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: after Virginia that fight that you remember you got on

702
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: a mic with Alan, you know where he where Crosby

703
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: went thirty again across the border.

704
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 4: He won every round mas.

705
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: Vidal right after that fight, he should have never been

706
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: in that seat judging that fight. We were in the

707
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: middle of you know, he had a quarteror of protection

708
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: against the ring doctor. I mean they notice they and

709
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: he sat his ass in that chair. No one he

710
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: was going to judge Mike Guy's fighting. We had and

711
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: we had a problem. That's a major problem. This has

712
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: nothing to do with the judging. This guy's got to

713
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: be looked at for his character and he has zero

714
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: when it comes to that. And that's where Missouli I think.

715
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: So after that, nobody used him. I know Jersey to

716
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: use him. I don't think it was legal in New

717
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: York yet Vegas didn't use him a lot, and nobody

718
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: used him Missouli, I think, And again I could be

719
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: wrong on this. I'm just my I'm just thinking off

720
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: the top of my head. He I think when he

721
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: took over the ABC, that's when you saw him come

722
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 2: back in Connecticut and in New York because the girl

723
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 2: that runs New York was working for Missouli, so he

724
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 2: got he slipped in there. You know, when he became

725
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: head of the ABC for whatever fucking reason.

726
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 4: I have no idea, but that's the issue. And again

727
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 4: people saying like, yeah, I did remove him.

728
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: From a couple of fights, but the first time, I

729
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: don't say anything. He judged Frovole this fight at the garden.

730
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: They know there's a problem with me. They know they

731
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: know there's a problem.

732
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 4: With me and him.

733
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 2: See, Missouli is the guy that's got to be looked

734
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: at because he knows there's a problem.

735
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: He judged every fight I.

736
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: Had, that kid, this kid, Montalvo and Bellata, he judged

737
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 2: those fights. I'm almost sure he definitely judged my fights

738
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: when I'm in I see him when I'm in Connecticut.

739
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: If he's there, he's judging. He's gonna judge my fights

740
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: if I don't say anything. So they know it and

741
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: they don't do a fucking thing about it.

742
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 5: Here, you are just trying to coach your athletes, right,

743
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 5: you got like squeaky wheel, right, justice, it's a fun.

744
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 4: I gotta have. I gotta have this guy. He's looking

745
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 4: at me and acting like a fucking jerk of off, like, guy,

746
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 4: you are you kidding? Like I give a shit about

747
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 4: this guy.

748
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: But it's it's Missouli's responsibility now to really take a

749
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 2: hard look. Let's see what he does. Let's see what

750
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: he does. I hope he doesn't do anything. I mean,

751
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: I hope he does. I hope he does something and

752
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: doesn't do nothing, because then he's got to be looked at,

753
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: because that's a major problem.

754
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 5: They know, Oh rageous cut out mid Rent. It sounds

755
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 5: like a fax machine in the background too.

756
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was people calling in.

757
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: They know he's uh, they know that the guy is crazy, man.

758
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: I mean, let's listen to all the stuff that's come

759
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 4: out on him this week. It's crazy.

760
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 5: They're reportedly countless example of him just you know, bullying

761
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 5: and harassing, right, And I will tell our audience. I

762
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 5: once went to Mark Ratner because of my relationship with

763
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 5: Ray Crosby's essentially motherfucking me with his eyes across the octagon,

764
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 5: you know, so he is the time I look over

765
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 5: from the broadcasters table and I said, Mark, can you

766
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 5: just please, you know, not have that happen. I'm trying

767
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 5: to call eight hours of fights. I don't need this guy,

768
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 5: you know, like you know, in threatening mode.

769
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: So so yeah, yeah, I think John the problem is

770
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: like that to me is even grounds to get rid

771
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 2: of the guy.

772
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 4: He's not there for the right reason.

773
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: He's not there to judge a fight, that's for sure.

774
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: He's there to, Like John McCarthy said, I was listening

775
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 2: to him, and thank god, I really praised John for

776
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: coming out because my only ever issue with John I

777
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: always loved hearing the guy's take on fights was I

778
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: thought he was in.

779
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 4: Cahoots with Crawsby. I just wanted nothing to do with it.

780
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: So I totally apologized because he came out and definitely

781
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: said they hate each other, and that's the way he

782
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: likes it. That's the way everybody likes it. They just

783
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: he's a guy, that John. If you try to get

784
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: rid of him, he's just gonna he's going to the

785
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: attorney generally, he's going to this guy.

786
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 4: He's just a pain in he is.

787
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got to figure out what to do with

788
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 2: him because nobody wants the judging the fights anymore, and

789
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: everybody's gonna put in a complaint. I'll lead now is

790
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: saying he's going to every commission to get him not

791
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: to be able to judge. He's got he's got problems

792
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: now he's got It's not just me, and it was

793
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: never just me. It was just I was being highlighted.

794
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: He was always bothering somebody. Yea, but they never came

795
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: out with it. But it is what it is, man,

796
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: it is.

797
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 4: I've been.

798
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 5: Wow blackout. What a day? What a fucking day?

799
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 4: Coincidence?

800
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, so Ray Longo is back right now. So yeah,

801
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 5: I think there's a setting on your phone. So you're

802
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 5: saying somebody's calling your phone and it keeps interrupting our interview.

803
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: Huh right, yeah, that's it.

804
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 5: Popular guy today. My goodness, all these athletes calling you,

805
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 5: I mean, is it Montalvo who's calling you? Al Jamaine

806
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 5: Sterling and may Rob they seemed to be having a

807
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 5: fine time in Jamaica.

808
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well I quit. It was the first call

809
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 2: and lou Neglia was the second goal.

810
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 5: How about that high red bonment.

811
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: And they're going to keep going. They're going to keep

812
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: cool without cool but louwell. But anyway, But the point John,

813
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: I think is we're not discussing any other judge but

814
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: this guy and everybody makes mistakes. I'm not even less

815
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: we said it has nothing to do with his scoring.

816
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: I think mistakes are always going to happen. I don't

817
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: care what you do with the scoring, but you got

818
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: to weed out the bad apples, put him down to

819
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 2: the farm league, bring him back, let him know why

820
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: everybody's in disagreement with him, and that's it. But this

821
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: guy goes beyond that, you know, for John McCarthy to

822
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: say it, the guy's handing out papers for everybody to

823
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: be what he wants them to say. Or that Nick Lentz,

824
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: Now I've read an article where he's right, and that

825
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: guy's material and then he's judging his fights. I don't

826
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: know if anybody thinks this is right. Let me know,

827
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: because I think it's fucking horrendous. Yeah, and if I

828
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: got a judge, I'm fighting the guy, and I know

829
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: that one of the judges is a personal friend, the

830
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 2: coach of the guy that I'm fighting, who wants that right.

831
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: By the way, I have to put together a list

832
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: of all this shit and wrap it up in a

833
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: nice package with a bothuly to do something and what

834
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 2: do you want us to do? Yeah?

835
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 5: Well no, and you and I have talked before, right,

836
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 5: It's like you know, it's like, am I supposed to,

837
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 5: you know, resign as a UFC commentator and devote my

838
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 5: life to you know, MMA judging and scoring reform right.

839
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 5: I mean, that's all I'm to do. By the way,

840
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 5: the California State Athletic Commission has already effected change as

841
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 5: far as a judge traveling and uh, and that's good

842
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 5: and hopefully Nevada will follow suit. And also, ray do

843
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 5: not disturb mode on your device should uh should prevent

844
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 5: the raging Ally Eye Quintas of the world from calling

845
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 5: his ears were buzzing. Now, you actually brought to my

846
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 5: attention that that fight between Raging Ally Quinta and Jorge

847
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 5: Gamebred mossfeedal April of two thousand and fifteen. I believe

848
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 5: it was the same week we launched the Anaconmplorian podcast

849
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 5: nearly eight years ago.

850
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: Incredible that I remat That's what I remember for the

851
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: first episode was right after that fight, I believe, and

852
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: we had to go through that. We're doing the same

853
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 2: shit we did, yeah in twenty fifteen, as we're doing

854
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: something right now.

855
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 5: Yeah.

856
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: So Mizouli's got to make a move. I think if

857
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 2: he's the head of the ABC, he's got to do something. Yeah,

858
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: But I think I don't, honestly.

859
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 4: I just I don't know.

860
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: It's just too weird for me, and I choose to

861
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: devote my life to something else besides this stupidity. Weird, Yeah,

862
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: let's do it.

863
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 5: I follow the Instagram account Nature's Brutal, maybe Nature's Metal.

864
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 5: And I witnessed a rhino berth the other way. I

865
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 5: actually wrote it down on my notes because earlier in

866
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Speaker 5: this episode, through whatever connection, Kenny Florian was talking about

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Speaker 5: sort of you come out and you make sense of

868
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Speaker 5: this world, and we were talking about coming up with solutions.

869
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Speaker 5: A lot of people are always trying to come up

870
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Speaker 5: with a solution, and he said, you know, you come

871
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Speaker 5: out as a baby, and from day one you're trying

872
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Speaker 5: to make sense of this world. I watched a rhino

873
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Speaker 5: birth the other day. It's interesting to watch a baby

874
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Speaker 5: rhinoceros come out of that fucking sack and try to

875
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Speaker 5: make sense of the world. Would you be able to

876
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Speaker 5: watch that, Cody said, no way. I watched a horse

877
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Speaker 5: berth several years ago that was off putting. The rhino

878
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Speaker 5: birth was not as bad.

879
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Speaker 2: No, No, I loved I loved the nature stuff I

880
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 2: watch that. That's really I'm fascinated by the way even

881
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 2: you know, like that rhino or interact with a cat.

882
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 2: If it's brought up the right way or a dog,

883
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: and they just, yeah, everybody's getting along. I know we

884
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Speaker 2: could do. This is what I get at it. We

885
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Speaker 2: can all get along, John, I know it. I know

886
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Speaker 2: we can't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had this conversation at the gym because I

889
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Speaker 2: think I have every possible combination of you know, Russian

890
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Speaker 2: Georgie and Azurebijan, this and that all over Israel.

891
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Speaker 4: Guys.

892
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Speaker 2: From it, you give people chants, man, everybody's good. They're

893
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: all good guys. Nobody wants any bullshit. Everybody just wants

894
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Speaker 2: to do their thing and keep moving on. And that's

895
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Speaker 2: what I get out of it. If you give people

896
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Speaker 2: a chance to get to know each other, there's a

897
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Speaker 2: good chance everybody will get along.

898
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Speaker 5: So it did not appear as though Al Joe and

899
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Speaker 5: may Rob and Dennis Zuke and wanted Ray Long go

900
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Speaker 5: to tag along to Jamaica. But it looks as though

901
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 5: those boys are having a hell of a time. I

902
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Speaker 5: feel like may Rob probably got laid down there if

903
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Speaker 5: I'm if I'm not taken.

904
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Speaker 2: Well, I know the girl. The girl latched onto his

905
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 2: conkince she wasn't letting go, that's for sure. So she

906
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 2: had to be she had to be one of the victims.

907
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Speaker 5: I gotta say, uh, you know, I'm not even to

908
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Speaker 5: say we're stopping down there, hey, anything else Before we

909
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Speaker 5: let you go, I'm gonna shout out a couple of names.

910
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 5: Alex Caceras has now won six of seven.

911
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: Believable.

912
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 5: How about that technique? Ken Feld believes a lot of

913
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Speaker 5: UFC fighters are going to try to emulate that technique

914
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 5: moving forward.

915
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: That one, that one's not easy. He his was a

916
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 2: little different than Leon Edwards because he had a little

917
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: drag time, like he was way over and then he

918
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: had to bring that legover, so it was even. It

919
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: was a little more towards like Wonder Boys type of style.

920
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, that that that techniques, not that particular one,

921
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: but that like what Leon Edward's done, that's always been there.

922
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Speaker 2: I think Wick has been doing after years. He does

923
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 2: that uh, same punch, same kick, and it you know.

924
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 4: Kills you.

925
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 5: Did you see Rafa Garcia lose twenty percent of his

926
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 5: blood that cross on the back of his head. Did

927
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 5: you know there were arteries back there? I guess I

928
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Speaker 5: should have. I mean, that's wild.

929
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: Huh man, Yeah, yeah, that's really crazy. That's a lot

930
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 2: of blood to lose, but what an exciting fight that was. Yeah,

931
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: he really brought it that kid. That was a great,

932
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: great fight. There were some really great, good fights.

933
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was pretty good. And now we have a

934
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 5: little bit of a respite. I did want to get

935
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 5: to one other thing before we let you fly. So

936
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 5: Robert Whittaker was to fight Bohashiina Pallo Costa in Perth, Australia.

937
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 5: It's not going to happen. Seems to be some sort

938
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Speaker 5: of contractual dispute. Now, Robert Whittaker was told by the

939
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 5: UFC that Polo Costa was offered a new contract and

940
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 5: more money for this fight. I'm not sure if Costa

941
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 5: disputes that or not, but ultimately they're not fighting. And

942
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Speaker 5: this is the second time in as many UFC trips

943
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 5: to Perth and Western Australia, first in twenty eighteen and

944
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 5: now this one that Whittaker was initially scheduled to compete

945
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 5: and will not. And you know, I know Roberts heart

946
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 5: goes out to a lot of those fans, but a

947
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 5: lot of the Aussies are traveling across the country to

948
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 5: see Robert and they're not going to get the chance

949
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 5: to do so. I thought that was pretty disappointing.

950
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: Well, they did definitely not they're going to take that

951
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: fight off the car.

952
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 5: Well see, I mean he sort of intimated that he

953
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 5: was going to fight in March or April, which would effectively, yes,

954
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 5: take him off the cart.

955
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,479
Speaker 4: Well man, yeah, you see.

956
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: I think the UFC they don't need all this other

957
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: bullshit going on, you know, even the crowds thing. I mean,

958
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 2: there's something you gotta if you want to listen to

959
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Speaker 2: something good. Somebody did a really good piece on the

960
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: betting thing, and what they think is going on is

961
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: it's pretty wacky but sensible. I think you'll find it

962
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Speaker 2: on YouTube.

963
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 5: Is it like the ninety minute version?

964
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a long one.

965
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

966
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 5: My twin brother sent that to me and I haven't

967
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Speaker 5: found the ninety minutes yet.

968
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: But I will. I will be to listen today.

969
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 5: All right, your homework on Instagram Nature's Brutal or Nature's

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Speaker 5: Metal and check out the Rhino Birth and We're dark

971
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 5: next week. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy Honikah. Like the Minora,

972
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Speaker 5: a lot of New York Jews celebrate with us.

973
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent, John, thank you for the check. This

974
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Speaker 2: was a huge yea for the anti Fluorian podcast between

975
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: the money was poor. This was crazy this year.

976
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Speaker 5: Are you kidding twenty twenty three, I know you're messing

977
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Speaker 5: with me.

978
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Speaker 2: No, I'm not really messing with Yeah, it was better

979
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Speaker 2: this year.

980
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 3: It was bet one hundred percent.

981
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Speaker 4: We're creeping.

982
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Speaker 5: Twenty twenty three will be the biggest year financially and

983
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Speaker 5: in terms of the numbers in the history of the show.

984
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 5: So we're moving in the right direction.

985
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Speaker 4: Listen.

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00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 2: See that's what people don't get, right twenty fifteen, we've

987
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Speaker 2: been doing this, that's right. So people are going to

988
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,479
Speaker 2: look at it when we hit the big time, John,

989
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: They're going to go look at it overnight success.

990
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 5: That's right.

991
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: They're going to forget about the other twenty years before that.

992
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 5: Hey, we're focused on content to the masses every week

993
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 5: except next week for Christmas. Ray long appreciate your time.

994
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 5: We'll talk to you.

995
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: Thanks for everything, seriously, love you guys. Take it easy, man.

996
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 5: And take that to heart. Because the kinship and the

997
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 5: relationship between Ray Longo and the antik and Florian podcast

998
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 5: listeners is incredible. I don't believe you folks who say

999
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 5: that you just found forward the ray log Go minute

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00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 5: but uh no, we appreciate Ray and again on the

1001
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Speaker 5: program since episode one. Cody, what's up man? You got

1002
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Speaker 5: some Merrow seconds? No, it's twelve fifty NFL pick Detroit

1003
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Speaker 5: minus two and a half this weekend. That's it, Detroit

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Speaker 5: minus two and a half at the Carolina Panthers. Merrow's hot,

1005
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 5: although he did lose last week, but he's won three

1006
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 5: of his last four. Cody's going with the Detroit Lions,

1007
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 5: who have won three in a row seven and seven

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Speaker 5: minus two and a half at the Carolina Panthers. And

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Speaker 5: I will just say Eddieandlman, godfather of sports talk radio

1010
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Speaker 5: for listening for watching three hundred and seventy seven episodes down,

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Speaker 5: I am off to tape Annix Square of the NFL

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Speaker 5: Podcast with my brother and we will talk to you

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Speaker 5: guys in thirteen days. Mary Christmas, Happy Honikah, Happy Holidays.

1020
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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for supporting the show, and hopefully

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Speaker 5: big things to announce in January of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 5: Enjoy the holiday. We will be back with details on

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Speaker 5: our award show and so very much more right after Christmas.

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Speaker 5: Enjoy the holiday, folks, we'll talk to you soon. Happy

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