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Speaker 1: You probably had some kind of idea. Everyone in this

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Speaker 2: But that's not the goal. The goals to help these

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Speaker 2: you know, come up in this profession. I think that's

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Speaker 1: a lot of money in your pocket. Similarly, in your profession,

433
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 1: there are some things that are really jacked up about

434
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,360
Speaker 1: the system right now. You could point them out. It's

435
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:19,960
Speaker 1: a waste of time, but you could point them out

436
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 1: and it would be valid. Everybody is valid as if

437
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,359
Speaker 1: I said it. But you also have to be cognizant

438
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 1: that because you're in the position you're in, because you

439
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,680
Speaker 1: earn what you earned, because you're at the program you're at,

440
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 1: no one really has any time to listen to it.

441
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I think you know, in today's day and age,

442
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,159
Speaker 2: with the stakes being the way it is and everything

443
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 2: that comes with it, you know, you're compensated for what

444
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,439
Speaker 2: that is and there's a market for it. But it

445
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,359
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that the job's easy. It doesn't mean that

446
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,640
Speaker 2: they don't have these real challenges and so you know

447
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 2: a lot of people would say, well, you're compensated this,

448
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 2: so this, which is fine, but it doesn't make it easy.

449
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't mean that those issues aren't there.

450
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 2: And it's my job to make sure one that I'm

451
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 2: advocating for our players, for Ohio State in the world

452
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 2: as we go moving forward. And I think that's that's

453
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 2: important because we're in an era where I don't think

454
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 2: college footl can be any more exciting right now. The

455
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,959
Speaker 2: product's great, the kids are awesome, but there's a lot

456
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:17,679
Speaker 2: of chaos going on right now and we need as

457
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 2: much directing direction as we can and so and also,

458
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 2: you know, we do. The other part of that is

459
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,640
Speaker 2: we live in a world where there's so much information

460
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,880
Speaker 2: out there, there's so much social media, there's so much

461
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 2: attention on our programs more than ever, I think it's

462
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 2: our job as coaches to set an example for our

463
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 2: players on you know, not being you know, being unwavering

464
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 2: when it comes to that type of public attention and

465
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 2: being in the public eye. I mean when you come

466
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 2: to Ohio State and I mention it to our recruits,

467
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 2: it's not for everybody. You have to sacrifice a lot

468
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 2: of things. You're going to be vulnerable, you're putting yourself

469
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 2: out there. But on the back end, you're going to

470
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,680
Speaker 2: learn so many life lessons. You'll be more ready for

471
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 2: the NFL than anybody else who comes out in college football.

472
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Speaker 2: And you're going to learn a lot by yourself, and

473
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 2: you're going to be extremely relevant. So there's this give

474
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Speaker 2: and take. But I just think you need to be

475
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 2: aware of on the front end.

476
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: This time last year, I mean I was sitting here

477
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: asking you. You had Jim Knowles coming back as your DC,

478
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Speaker 1: you had Chip Kelly as you're OC. I mean, you've

479
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 1: got immense amounts of trust you have in both guys

480
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 1: on the offensive side. You've specifically talked many times, including

481
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 1: with us, about how I feel comfortable delegating maybe like

482
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 1: I never have before. And that's good because it happens

483
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: at a time in college football where I'm being pulled

484
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Speaker 1: in a million different directions. So fast forward a year,

485
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 1: not a lot's changed about the back half. You're still

486
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: being pulled in a million different directions. You've got Heartline

487
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 1: elevated to offensive coordinator, you brought in Matt Patricia on

488
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: the defensive side, and you just sent like three quarters

489
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: of your team to the draft. Every other pick was

490
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: an Ohio State buck guy. Yet you'll be expected to

491
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: be right back in the national championship picture this year.

492
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 1: So that process played out the way ultimately that you

493
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,199
Speaker 1: wanted it to last year, and you did get to

494
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: delegate more. Is that still the way that you look

495
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: out over the Horai and then seeing this program run

496
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,199
Speaker 1: or does it have to be kind of a year

497
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 1: to year called on the flat thing?

498
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 2: I mean, every year is different, and so you have

499
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: to figure out what this team needs, what the staff needs,

500
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: and you had to adapt from there. But you know,

501
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 2: I think it's significant that like Chip came in somebody

502
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 2: who you know, brought me up in this profession, and

503
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 2: that's one of the things that I think it's our

504
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 2: responsibility as coaches to bring young people up in this profession.

505
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 2: And so he did, and then we come together and

506
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: we talked about it, like, we win a national championship,

507
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 2: you'll have an opportunity to go, you know, probably pick

508
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 2: your office coordinator job in the NFL or maybe become

509
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 2: a head coach if you want to in the NFL

510
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 2: and back in college if that's what you're interested in.

511
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 2: So we understood what that was going to be, and

512
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: that's the way it goes. I watched the run the

513
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: Saban went on. It was just a lot of people

514
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 2: that kind of came and went during those years and

515
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 2: the way he handled that. But I think it's our

516
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: responsibility to bring up young coaches as well, and so

517
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: like I think we have a lot of great young

518
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: coaches in our program right now, and it's my job

519
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: as the head coach to make sure that those guys

520
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: continue to develop and learn what it means to be

521
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: a great recruiter, what it means to you know, you know,

522
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: handle player relationships, schematics, everything that comes with being a coach.

523
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 2: Because if you're a lawyer, you go to law school,

524
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 2: if you're a doctor you go to med school. Where

525
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: do you learn to become a football coach, especially at

526
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 2: Ohio State? Different than so many other places.

527
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: It's video games.

528
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: That's where you exactly, and so it's apprenticeship, it's bringing

529
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 2: people along, it's mentoring in this in this profession. So

530
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 2: I feel like we have some really good people here.

531
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: I feel like the stability here has been strong. There

532
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 2: are going to be guys that come and leave when

533
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Speaker 2: we have the success that we have, especially because it's

534
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 2: Ohio State. It's at the highest level. It's at the

535
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 2: biggest stage, the lights around you, so you know when

536
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: you get a guy coming out of here, they're going

537
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 2: to be big time. So you know, we're trying to

538
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: find that nice balance of having guys with experience coming.

539
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: I think Matt coming in brings you know, a head

540
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,959
Speaker 2: coaching experience, coordinator experience, three Super Bowl rings and just

541
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 2: everything that comes with that, which is great. Brian I

542
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: felt like did some of his best work this past year.

543
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: I think he's really ready for the opportunity, and we

544
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 2: have a lot of other young guys that are going

545
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: to help on that side of the ball. I also

546
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: think a big part of it with Tim Walton. Tim

547
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: Walton has really been a huge part of it. So

548
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: he and Matter are working together and I feel good

549
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 2: Larry's experience on his you know, on the defensive side

550
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: of the ball. James has done a really good job.

551
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 2: McCarry is a great young coach. So as you start

552
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: to go through the staff, these guys now are getting

553
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 2: older and they're learning and they're going through experience, and

554
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 2: now they won a national championship. So but I think

555
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 2: that's ultimately the job of a head coach too, is

556
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 2: to help bring young coaches up and so that they

557
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 2: have opportunities but they can continue to bring value to

558
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: the program.

559
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Speaker 1: Can you explain to people broadly, of course, about what

560
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: the dynamic is like on your best coaching staffs, either

561
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: as an assistant or as a head coach that you've

562
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: been a part of. Because one of the most fun

563
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: things for me to watch from a distance last year

564
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: was every time a series would go wrong, much less

565
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: a game, there would be all this message board speculation about, well,

566
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: well these two coaches are budding heads, Well they don't

567
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: get along this and that, And so I'm sitting there

568
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: thinking twofold number one irrelevant about whether that's true. Independent

569
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: of whether that's true or not, some of the teams

570
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: that we've covered in the past that have gone on

571
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: to win titles. Had you known the truth, had you

572
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: gotten under the hood, you'd know that there's constant back

573
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: and forth, there's constant butting of heads. But the product

574
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: it produced was great. On the other side, internally, like

575
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: during the heat of battle of a season, what is

576
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: the staff dynamic, like even when you've got it going right,

577
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: like how heated can that sometimes get?

578
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: I think it depends on the room. I know, on

579
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 2: the offensive side of the ball. This year, you know,

580
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 2: I would go in and because it was so much

581
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: trust between Chip and I, but also the rest of

582
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: the guys in that room. Justin Fry had worked with

583
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: a ton, Brian Hartline working on nine years, Keenan Bailey,

584
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: same everyone in that room. There's trust. Yeah, so there

585
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 2: can be really hard conversation, I mean going back and forth,

586
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: and you know, I can challenge those guys and just

587
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 2: see what their response is. I mean, if they come

588
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 2: right back at me, that's what I want to hear,

589
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: you know. And so there was a lot of trust

590
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: in that room, a lot of challenging, a lot of that.

591
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: But when you leave the room, you got to be

592
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: arm in arm and the players know we're on the

593
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 2: same page. I think on the defensive side of the ball,

594
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: it was a great opportunity for me to kind of

595
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: be in there a little bit more and challenge some

596
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: of the guys in a room. But I thought there

597
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: was great synergy in that side of the ball. I

598
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: thought there was great chemistry. You know, I give Jim credit.

599
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 2: I think everybody in that side really got along well.

600
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 2: And you know, coming off of that organ game, a

601
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 2: lot of changes had to be had, a lot of

602
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: tough conversations had to be made, but they were made

603
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 2: and adjustments were put into place, and guys stuck together.

604
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: So you know, when you do go through losses and

605
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 2: things like that, it's easy for people to point fingers.

606
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: And I think that had a big part of you know,

607
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 2: our success last year was our staff chemistry.

608
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: How important is it for you to have like a

609
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: compartment of there's competition, but then there's also just the

610
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: profession you're in. When you're talking about coaches, because you're

611
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: not the only one who's dealt with this, but I've

612
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: watched you go to battle with guys in conference play

613
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: and then lose staffers to conference rivals, and so you

614
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: could look at that competitively and say, like that eats

615
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: at me.

616
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: That's how I would look at it.

617
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: But then I would also hope that I could turn

618
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: that spickt off or compartmentalize and look at the professional

619
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: side and say, there are several layers to this. How

620
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: important is that obviously for you to be.

621
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: Able to do Yeah, And then I think, now when

622
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: you're dealing with the money that's out there, you have

623
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: to start to take a step back and do what

624
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: you just said, because you know, there's just decisions that

625
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: have to be made, and you know, we all get it,

626
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: but there's a competitive side to it. Sure, I mean

627
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: that's still in play, but you know, I think you know,

628
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: even in the last five years, you're just seeing the

629
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: amount of money even for assistant coaches and coordinators change

630
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: a lot, and so decisions have to be made and

631
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: guys got to do what's best for their for their

632
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: you know, for their families and things like that. So

633
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: you understand that part of it, but you know there's

634
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: also like you know, you know your loyalty and things

635
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: like that, and you only have one name and you

636
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: know your character, and so there's there's this you know,

637
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: constant battle of that. I would say that that's that's accurate,

638
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: but I would say, you know, as the money has

639
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: changed here in the last five years or so or more,

640
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: you know, you're just seeing more and more of those

641
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: types of things that you have to move on from

642
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: and just learn from and grow.

643
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: You guys just wrapped up spring as you and I

644
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: are talking. So you come off a national championship win

645
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: and like five seconds later, you're in spring practice. We

646
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: just saw a ton of guys go in the draft,

647
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: So you've got staff turnover, you've got roster turnover. If

648
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: you brought the same team back again, everyone would expect

649
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: the world from you, but you would also have a

650
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: room full of guys that just accomplished the ultimate prize

651
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: that this sport offers. But you didn't walk into a

652
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: room like that this spring. You're walking in there a

653
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: bunch of players who really didn't have a whole lot

654
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: to do with that last year, coaches who weren't here

655
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: for that last year. I'm not saying that ever, eliminates

656
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: the threat of complacency, But how different is the threat

657
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: of complacency when you can honestly look at so many

658
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: guys and really, if you wanted to get real with them,

659
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: say you didn't win anything last year.

660
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: Well, our first leadership meeting two weeks after the game,

661
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: we got everybody together because classes started during the Texas Week,

662
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: so once it ones was over, we got right back

663
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: at it and we brought the leadership committee in and

664
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: we talked about what we want to get done. We

665
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: have a process on how we do this, and the

666
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: first thing was reinforce the culture. And the leaders from

667
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: this year's group here said, reinforce therese guy's in this

668
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: room that don't even know what the culture is. We've

669
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: got to rebuild the culture. And they asked for a

670
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: lot of the national championship paraphernilia to be taken down

671
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: in the facility because they're like, we didn't win a

672
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: national championship this group. The last group did. And so

673
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: that was a good sign because they understood that this

674
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: is going to be a new year, and you know,

675
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: the mentality of like we're not defending national champs like

676
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: we're not defending anything. That national championship is not going nowhere.

677
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: It's always going to be there, that banner is always

678
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: going to be there. This is about this year's team.

679
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: And they embraced that right from the jump. So that

680
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: part I feel good about. I also like the fact

681
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: that we have some new coaches. They come in with

682
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 2: some energy. They feel like they understand what the standard is.

683
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: You know, they want to go win a national championship.

684
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: So there's been some new blood, new energy with that.

685
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: But but you're right, a lot of new faces, some

686
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: old faces too. I mean, we got some guys Caleb

687
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: and Sunny and you know, Carnell and Jeremiah and so

688
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: we you know, the guys up front on on offense.

689
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: I mean, so there's you know, IGB. I mean, we

690
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: had some really good pieces here. But to your point,

691
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: the leadership and then there are some new guys who

692
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: are backup roles last year. They're gonna have to step

693
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: up and be the real guys and carry the water.

694
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: And that's a lot different than being a backup.

695
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: You were talking about reinforcing culture there, and I don't

696
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to gloss over that, but it's taken

697
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: for granted a lot when when you're seeing a program

698
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: that's running at a high level, it just it looks

699
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,239
Speaker 1: like a machine from the outside, which is what it's

700
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: supposed to look like when you're doing it the right way.

701
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: But if I'm like a senior at Rancho Cucamongo High

702
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: School right now in California. I didn't grow up knowing

703
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 1: much about Ohio State. I'm not immersed in that culture.

704
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: You should have because it's C. J. Strouds High schoolll.

705
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: That's true. That is true. But I also was on

706
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: the beach every day, so I don't get the Ohio culture.

707
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: But then you recruit me, and so I'm good enough

708
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: to earn an offer from here. I come here, but

709
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: I've never been immersed in the culture. So it may

710
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: be a machine that I'm stepping into, but I haven't

711
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: been a part of the machine. How important is it

712
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: to make sure there's like an awareness inside the building

713
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: of every new person that walks in here. We may

714
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: be used to this. It's day one for them, and

715
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: so we got to treat it like it's day one

716
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: for them.

717
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it's something we're dealing with right now. For sure.

718
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: You just can't assume that people know, especially when so

719
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: many experienced guys just walked out the door. But it

720
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: starts in the recruiting process and you got onboard these

721
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: guys and recognize that this is what it is and

722
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: this is our culture. And we will to jump right

723
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: in really to win a workouts. We had our matrills,

724
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: we had spring ball, so that was good to kind

725
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: of get that going. But you're right, you know, you know,

726
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: nobody knows until you're here. I think it's important to

727
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 2: still make sure that our foundation is Ohio players that

728
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: they come, you know, they come to our spring practice,

729
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: they're around it, they come to our games. They grew

730
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: up Buck guys, they followed us. They know what the

731
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: rivalry game is. They know what it means to be

732
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: a Buck Guy. So that when because we can't just

733
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: you know, there's too many talented players throughout the country,

734
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: we have to recruit nationally, which we do so when

735
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: people from different parts of the country come in, you know,

736
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: the Ohio guys kind of set the tone and I

737
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: tell them that during recruiting, like you, your job is

738
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: in Ohio guys, to make sure the guys in my

739
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: locker room understand what it means to be a Buck

740
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: guy here in the state of Ohio, and they quickly learn.

741
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: They quickly understand that. We also get them involved in

742
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: the community as much as we can, you know, in

743
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: terms of you know, just community service and as many

744
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: things as that we can immerse them in throughout the community.

745
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: It's good for those guys to feel that, because it

746
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: doesn't take long around here to figure out how important

747
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: football is.

748
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: I was around you guys several games last year, so

749
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: I kind of got a little unfair perspective relative to

750
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: someone who just watched you on TV. But there was

751
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: this perception out there that, oh, any team that wins, now,

752
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: well they're just winning cause they went and paid a

753
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: lot of guys a lot of money. Anyone could do that.

754
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: So I'm around you guys, and I mean I grew

755
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: up on college football.

756
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: Love it.

757
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: The synergy or like the togetherness, the gelling of last

758
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: year's collection here felt like it was nineteen ninety three,

759
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: Like it felt like those elements weren't even present, the

760
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: elements that the skeptic sorts of paints a broad brush with.

761
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: You didn't even feel them. So if they were here,

762
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: that wasn't actually the connectivity of the program. But also

763
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 1: that's a rarity. You know that. I know that because

764
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: I go all across the country a lot of places.

765
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: It's like guys checking in, clocking in, clocking out, which

766
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: jersey am I putting on? Okay, the one that paid

767
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: me the most money. So in this day and age,

768
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: as you said, how much more special or gratifying was

769
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: it for you to know that, surrounded by everything we're

770
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: surrounded by nationally, we still created this nucleus here that

771
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: executed and did it the same way it's always been done.

772
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's where, you know, it's just easy

773
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: for people to say, well, you know, Ohio State had

774
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: nil for this amount of money and whatever that is,

775
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: and just so cheap and so easy for someone to

776
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: say if you actually do the research, and all it

777
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: does is really tell you the value of an Ohio

778
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: State football player. I mean when you look at a

779
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: brand that has, you know, just seuth of twelve million

780
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 2: fans in the city of Columbus with two million people

781
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: and the power of Ohio State, Yeah, our guys are

782
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: going to make a lot of money in il And

783
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: the truth is the majority of those guys were all

784
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: guys that decided to come back. We're already on the

785
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: team that we've recruited and developed. We did add six

786
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: or seven guys, but not fifteen, not twenty, where we

787
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: went out there and just went and got the best

788
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: players in college football that wasn't the case, and that's

789
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: not what won us a championship. I think it's just

790
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: easy for people just to kind of say that and

791
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: just because it's easy and it's cheap, But when you

792
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: really do your research and you look through it, like

793
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: all of these guys had been here multiple years. You know,

794
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: you just look at the front. You look at JT

795
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: and Jack and Ty and ty Leek and Cody Simon

796
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 2: and Leithan Ransom and Denzel Burke, and you go through

797
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: you know, Donovan Jackson and you know a Mecca Buka.

798
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: You started going through these guys, didn't just you know, sure,

799
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 2: quin sewn Uh and and Will were big, big additions

800
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: for us, you know, but Trayveon has been here since

801
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: a f his freshman year when coach Saban retired and

802
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: we had an opportunity to pick up Caleb and then

803
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: and then Julian and Seth McLoughlin like that, that kind

804
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: of happened opportunistically, but like by the way, like Seth

805
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 2: you know, struggled a little bit before he got here,

806
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: you know, with his snaps and things like that, and

807
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: he won the Remington Award here, So like you know, uh,

808
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: I'm pretty defensive of that, because you know, these guys

809
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: who came through here and and and have scars. I mean,

810
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: you know, you don't always remember the wins until you

811
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: win championships. You remember the losses around here, and these

812
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: guys have some scars along the way, and that's what

813
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: kept them together throughout the entire road. And and so yeah,

814
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: I never really got into that or address that, but

815
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: our guys hear that over and over again, and people

816
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: around the building with these high expectations and we're just

817
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: throwing out numbers like that. But that really didn't affect

818
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 2: us in the ends because we knew that that wasn't

819
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: the case. It wasn't like we just had the best

820
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: players money could buy if anyone actually did the research.

821
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: You were talking earlier about the benefit of the doubt

822
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: that winning a title finally earns you. You have your

823
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: own perception of what that means. My perception is every

824
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: time something used to go wrong with this program, it

825
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: would always be chalked back up to, well, that's Ryan

826
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: day man. He's good, but he's never filling the blank

827
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: won a title or whatnot, And therefore it's always like

828
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: validation that me the doubt or I'm right about this person. Well,

829
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: then you win a title, and so they'll still criticize you,

830
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: but they have to come at it from a different angle.

831
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: But my thoughts always been, I go back to Atlanta

832
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two or whenever that was, you guys

833
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: miss a field goal that if it's made, probably grant

834
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 1: you the right to go play TCU. You're a solid

835
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: favorite to win the title, and you have the title

836
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: you have now National Championship head coach. Several years ago,

837
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have viewed you as any different a coach.

838
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: It's for your point, I don't really view you any

839
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: different now than I did this time last year when

840
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: we were sitting here. You don't sound like you feel

841
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: a whole lot different. But the way people treat you.

842
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: Have you already noticed that starts to change a little bit.

843
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah I have. But to your point, it doesn't

844
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: really change, you know, who we are, you know, or

845
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: anything like that. And yeah, I think I go back

846
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: on that game, and you know, I think back on

847
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 2: the Clemson game in nineteen oh, yeah, you know, and

848
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: there's just you know, one play here, one play there.

849
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: But that that was why we had the mentality of

850
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: like leave no doubt, Like you can't come down to

851
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: one play. It can't come down to one call. It can't.

852
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: It can't be that way because ultimately, like we have

853
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: to and that's why we threw the ball Jeremiah there

854
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: on that third down call, Like we have to leave

855
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: no doubt and be aggressive. But yeah, I think that

856
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 2: going back to your question though and some of your comments,

857
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 2: I think that's you have to almost understand that when

858
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: you're in a place of Ohio State and you know

859
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: you're at the pinnacle of college football and you hadn't

860
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: been a head coach before, everyone's gonna try to tear

861
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: you down just the way it is. That's just the

862
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: way it is. They're gonna do everything they can to

863
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 2: take you down. So, like, I know, there was one

864
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 2: point going into the Penn State game, like you said,

865
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: you know, a great record, but can't win a big game,

866
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: can't win a top five game. Then we just won

867
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: more top five victories than anybody in the history of

868
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: college football. So like it's fine, it there'll be something again,

869
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: you know next year. It's just the way that life works,

870
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: and when you're here, that's what they're gonna do. And

871
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: that's being in the public eye. So you have to

872
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,959
Speaker 2: embrace that. And again that's why I always say Ohio

873
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: State's not for everybody, not for every player, not for

874
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 2: every coach.

875
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: To wrap up here, you guys, So you just wrapped

876
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: up spring a bunch of new faces. You You've got

877
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: quarterbacks here. Most of the country doesn't know about yet.

878
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: The fan base does, the local beat does you do?

879
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: But people in like Clearwater, Florida, they don't know a

880
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: lot about Julian other than he transferred from Alabama a

881
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: couple of cycles ago. Maybe Lincoln they kind of know, well,

882
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: he's an Ohio State commit, but other than that, they

883
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: don't know. What was your your impression of those guys

884
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: throughout spring. But then also how maybe differently did you

885
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: have to handle it as opposed to a spring where

886
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: you go through it knowing who your starter is.

887
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's these guys haven't played a lot of you

888
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: know football, you know, practiced, but you know they got

889
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 2: to play, and you know, Julian and Lincoln are are battling.

890
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: You know, I thought they both did some really good

891
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: things to spring and they're still learning. We made them

892
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: live for two practices this spring, and so it's it's

893
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 2: been exciting. You know. I think the closer we get there,

894
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 2: the more you get around them, you get a feel

895
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 2: for their personalities and their talent level and what they

896
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: can do. Both coming from really different backgrounds. You know.

897
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: Julian was from San Diego, went to Alabama and then

898
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: found found his way here in Columbus after coach Saban retired.

899
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 2: Lincoln from South Dakota, who is a National Gatoray Player

900
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 2: of the Year, multiple sport athlete, major League Baseball product,

901
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 2: and windmill dunk like, really good athlete, but didn't play

902
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: just football growing up. So he's still you know, now

903
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: he's in year three, so he's got two years under

904
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: his belt. So that's been exciting, you know. Link and

905
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: then you have Tavian, who's you know, a young local

906
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: product who has the height, size ability, just needs experience.

907
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: So all different guys, you know, and it's it's a

908
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: new journey and it's exciting. Last year, you know, you

909
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: had a will coming in with a lot of experience,

910
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: but you know, I think a lot of people doubted

911
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: whether he could play at a high enough level here

912
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: to have state and that was a challenge. And so

913
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 2: every year you have a different, different challenge that this

914
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: year it'll be no different. It's going to be about

915
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: the work they put in this summer and then how

916
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: they handle themselves and learn and grow from their mistakes

917
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: as they go into preseason and then during the season,

918
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: because that'll be part of it too. And I think

919
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: we could talk about quarterbacks forever. I mean forever. I

920
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 2: could talk to five hours about this. But you know,

921
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: so much of being a quarterback is continuing to stay

922
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: with it, work through adversity, learn from your mistakes. How

923
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: quickly can you learn from your mistakes? Because you see

924
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: these guys who end up getting drafted in the NFL draft,

925
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 2: that's exactly what they did. They hung in there, they

926
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: keep going and they're just relentless.

927
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: You know. One more thing. So you just talked about something.

928
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: You could talk about it five hours, So at least

929
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: go forty five more seconds on it. Yeah, I don't

930
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: think it's properly appreciated, Like how much you're together with

931
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks throughout the course of a year. Every spring practice,

932
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: there's there's post film breakdown and why did you do this?

933
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: And why didn't you check down there? And so over

934
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: the course of a year, just hundreds and hundreds of hours.

935
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: So you watch there's light little micro ups and downs,

936
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: ups and downs. You just hope the trajectory generally is

937
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: continuing to go up. But I mean, what is that

938
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: like when you finally see the finished product and you

939
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: know what it took from from beginning when you came

940
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: out of high school to ultimately get here to where

941
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: you're playing against the Michigans and Penn States and Oregons.

942
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: And I trust you, Oh yeah, yeah. I mean, you know,

943
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 2: you know JT in that first year, then it was

944
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: Dwayne in the next year. Then it was CJ and

945
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: his his journey to where he got and then you know,

946
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 2: justin fields, you know, and it's like with a couple

947
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: of those guys, you finally got them where you know,

948
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: they were playing at a high level, and then they

949
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: were onto the NFL, you know, and you know, then

950
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: we had Kyle and then we had Will this year,

951
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: and we really felt like we made a lot of

952
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 2: progress of Will just in terms of you know, his

953
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: his play. And so now here we go again, you know,

954
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: we're right back at it. And like you said, you

955
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: can't always use the results as as the feedback. It's

956
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: got to be the process and what you see, and

957
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: you know, how do you how do you quantify that?

958
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: It's hard?

959
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 2: I mean it's experience. It's like, you know, having a

960
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: golf swing coach look at someone's swing and just make

961
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: a little adjustments here, a little adjustments there, and then

962
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: project where they can be because they've just seen golf

963
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,600
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964
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: with quarterback play coach.

965
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: We appreciate it.

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